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"were is he going to get the money to pay all workers 10 pounds a hour from the magik money tree againi for one will lay off all my weekend staff and some of my day statt too" this is what the firm i work for will do.just drop any of the under 25s and rest of us will get stuck with the extra work | |||
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"were is he going to get the money to pay all workers 10 pounds a hour from the magik money tree againi for one will lay off all my weekend staff and some of my day statt too this is what the firm i work for will do.just drop any of the under 25s and rest of us will get stuck with the extra work" That only works financially if you can do the extra work with no extra hours. Otherwise its swings and roundabouts, even more so if you get enhanced pay for overtime. | |||
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"If you can't pay your staff decent wages, your business model is flawed. I say this as someone who ran his own company. 70% of start ups fail - so either adapt your business model or accept that it wasn't very good and sell up. " I must presume your business model was flawed as you refer to it in the past tense, the wages of a younger member of staff reflect their lower level of experience/productivity surely you must realise this! It's just a pre election bribe similar to what Corbyn did with student loans, he just wants someone else to pay for it! | |||
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"were is he going to get the money to pay all workers 10 pounds a hour from the magik money tree againi for one will lay off all my weekend staff and some of my day statt too" You sound like one of those who screamed about the plan for a minimum wage, saying it would destroy the economy and cost millions of jobs. Er, no. Pay people a proper wage for a change. | |||
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"were is he going to get the money to pay all workers 10 pounds a hour from the magik money tree againi for one will lay off all my weekend staff and some of my day statt too" At the moment we the tax payers subsidise every employer whose staff get benefits, thats child and working tax credits and housing benefit, all of which are means tested. I for 1 see no reason why we should subsidise Jeff Bezos (who makes $275,000 MILLION A DAY worldwide) and does not pay a penny in corporate tax on his UK profits! And if your employees need to claim benefits in order to keep a roof over their heads, a fire in the hearth, food in their bellies and cloths on their back, then you not them are being subsidised by the tax payer! I think you really need to rethink your attitude and maybe keep quiet about how badly done to you will be if forced to pay those you employ £10 an hour, because some of us will start asking questions like exactly how much of a benefit scrounger are you? And how much do we have to pay your employees so you can have your posh house, new car every 6 months and your 2/3/4 holidays a year? | |||
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It’s always interesting to question the age versus experience and productivity argument because there is an implied message that all youngsters are a bit naive and lazy whereas in my experience they work bloody hard and try to learn as much as possible while they do so. But i guess thats not a good source of lazy jokes at the 19th hole is it  | |||
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"If you can't pay your staff decent wages, your business model is flawed. I say this as someone who ran his own company. 70% of start ups fail - so either adapt your business model or accept that it wasn't very good and sell up. I must presume your business model was flawed as you refer to it in the past tense, the wages of a younger member of staff reflect their lower level of experience/productivity surely you must realise this! It's just a pre election bribe similar to what Corbyn did with student loans, he just wants someone else to pay for it! " Nope, I saw the market was changing, anticipated it would negatively affect my profitability and sold up, recouping my initial investment and making more on top. | |||
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"If you can't pay your staff decent wages, your business model is flawed. I say this as someone who ran his own company. 70% of start ups fail - so either adapt your business model or accept that it wasn't very good and sell up. I must presume your business model was flawed as you refer to it in the past tense, the wages of a younger member of staff reflect their lower level of experience/productivity surely you must realise this! It's just a pre election bribe similar to what Corbyn did with student loans, he just wants someone else to pay for it! Nope, I saw the market was changing, anticipated it would negatively affect my profitability and sold up, recouping my initial investment and making more on top." But but but you’re not a tory....how is it possible that you could make a successful business decision.... | |||
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"were is he going to get the money to pay all workers 10 pounds a hour from the magik money tree againi for one will lay off all my weekend staff and some of my day statt too" £1 billion for the D.U.P was hidden under 1 leaf , maybe tressamae can look under another leaf | |||
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"were is he going to get the money to pay all workers 10 pounds a hour from" Overhaul the tax system and take a closer look at corporations that don't pay tax yet somehow their ceos come out with 10 million plus in bonuses whilst their employees are on benefits and struggling to survive? Crazy idea I know. I do find it funny how corporation tactics have conditioned society into thinking that those who want a better minimum wage are the problem. | |||
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"I really don't get this desire to piss on 16 to 18 year olds . The media portray them as lazy and self absorbed yet don't want them to get minimum wage when they go out and graft. We are talking about " minimum wage" for Christs sake. How about we become enablers for young people entering the workplace instead of critics because we have more than enough of them. I'm sure many of you who are critical of the young had someone who gave them a hand up or took you under their wing . "well said bob bloils my piss the way some moaning twats talk about our young ppl on here they must be born old or don’t have kids of there own I think minimum wage shud be from 16 not 25 it’s a joke if they can do the job pay them simple as that give our kids a break ffs | |||
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"I really don't get this desire to piss on 16 to 18 year olds . The media portray them as lazy and self absorbed yet don't want them to get minimum wage when they go out and graft. We are talking about " minimum wage" for Christs sake. How about we become enablers for young people entering the workplace instead of critics because we have more than enough of them. I'm sure many of you who are critical of the young had someone who gave them a hand up or took you under their wing . well said bob bloils my piss the way some moaning twats talk about our young ppl on here they must be born old or don’t have kids of there own I think minimum wage shud be from 16 not 25 it’s a joke if they can do the job pay them simple as that give our kids a break ffs" | |||
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"I really don't get this desire to piss on 16 to 18 year olds . The media portray them as lazy and self absorbed yet don't want them to get minimum wage when they go out and graft. We are talking about " minimum wage" for Christs sake. How about we become enablers for young people entering the workplace instead of critics because we have more than enough of them. I'm sure many of you who are critical of the young had someone who gave them a hand up or took you under theirIt's wing . well said bob bloils my piss the way some moaning twats talk about our young ppl on here they must be born old or don’t have kids of there own I think minimum wage shud be from 16 not 25 it’s a joke if they can do the job pay them simple as that give our kids a break ffs"In my book minimum means minimum and what better incentive is there to go out and get a job and a career than a decent wage for your labour. | |||
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"were is he going to get the money to pay all workers 10 pounds a hour from the magik money tree againi for one will lay off all my weekend staff and some of my day statt too" I am afraid Corbyn has no idea how to run a business . He could not even manage his own financial affairs let alone those of others . I think he had to downsize his house as he over stretched himself financial. His plan will deprive many young people of the opportunity to work and gain experience. However I think Corbyn does not care about anyone else but himself. He even deprived some of his children the opportunity to attend a private school. | |||
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"were is he going to get the money to pay all workers 10 pounds a hour from the magik money tree againi for one will lay off all my weekend staff and some of my day statt too £1 billion for the D.U.P was hidden under 1 leaf , maybe tressamae can look under another leaf " Howwver not a single penny went to the DUP. The money was for the benefit of every single citizen in Northern Ireland . Even Sinn Fein were happy with this additional funding. | |||
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" However I think Corbyn does not care about anyone else but himself. He even deprived some of his children the opportunity to attend a private school. " Children who go to state schools are deprived? | |||
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"were is he going to get the money to pay all workers 10 pounds a hour from the magik money tree againi for one will lay off all my weekend staff and some of my day statt too" You have a business? You can't even spell. | |||
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"In recent times I dont want to employ more people ....tooooooo much hassle...." Sadly I have to agree with that sentiment. | |||
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"In recent times I dont want to employ more people ....tooooooo much hassle.... Sadly I have to agree with that sentiment. " Well theres a surprise! So, the argument that the rich and successful use is that they are worth it so why does that not apply to anyone on minimum wage? Do you not believe that people should be rewarded commensurate with their ability and dedication? Or do you think that an underclass of slave wage earners is the natural order of things? | |||
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"In recent times I dont want to employ more people ....tooooooo much hassle.... Sadly I have to agree with that sentiment. Well theres a surprise! So, the argument that the rich and successful use is that they are worth it so why does that not apply to anyone on minimum wage? Do you not believe that people should be rewarded commensurate with their ability and dedication? Or do you think that an underclass of slave wage earners is the natural order of things? "I think the argument is that anyone is paid what they are worth. It is actually impossible to be underpaid. If you were you would simply walk away and get a better job elsewhere. | |||
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"In recent times I dont want to employ more people ....tooooooo much hassle.... Sadly I have to agree with that sentiment. Well theres a surprise! So, the argument that the rich and successful use is that they are worth it so why does that not apply to anyone on minimum wage? Do you not believe that people should be rewarded commensurate with their ability and dedication? Or do you think that an underclass of slave wage earners is the natural order of things? I think the argument is that anyone is paid what they are worth.
It is actually impossible to be underpaid. If you were you would simply walk away and get a better job elsewhere. "So what is the issue with EU workers then?  | |||
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"I think the argument is that anyone is paid what they are worth. It is actually impossible to be underpaid. " I don't know who has this argument 'anyone is paid what they are worth'  , when it's clear that there are many people who are definitely underpaid. There are even people who rather fancy rewarding people on a basis akin to slavery. It's thought that almost a tenth of the mature population may be being underpaid - and we also know that care work is often remunerated at very low levels of pay. Carers allowance is an extreme example, where people can work almost 24/7 caring for someone, for less than £70 per week: though not a job, they are doing the same work that an employed carer would do. Care workers have also been paid illegally low wages over many years, whilst spending the night with people that they care for - the real-world evidence doesn't support the claim that it's impossible to be underpaid and that no one is
The fact that wages rise on an ongoing basis also reflects that people have to wait 12 months, for example, until their pay is increased, meaning that for some of that delay, they will have been underpaid too.
'It is actually impossible to be underpaid' . We factually know that thousands of people have been and that there are people who still continue to be underpaid.
It's clear that many employers need to take better care of their staff and also to potentially follow the lead of the Richer Sounds founder, who is giving his staff stakes in the business, reflective of their contribution to the company's success. | |||
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"I think the argument is that anyone is paid what they are worth. It is actually impossible to be underpaid. I don't know who has this argument 'anyone is paid what they are worth' , when it's clear that there are many people who are definitely underpaid. There are even people who rather fancy rewarding people on a basis akin to slavery. It's thought that almost a tenth of the mature population may be being underpaid - and we also know that care work is often remunerated at very low levels of pay. Carers allowance is an extreme example, where people can work almost 24/7 caring for someone, for less than £70 per week: though not a job, they are doing the same work that an employed carer would do. Care workers have also been paid illegally low wages over many years, whilst spending the night with people that they care for - the real-world evidence doesn't support the claim that it's impossible to be underpaid and that no one is
The fact that wages rise on an ongoing basis also reflects that people have to wait 12 months, for example, until their pay is increased, meaning that for some of that delay, they will have been underpaid too.
'It is actually impossible to be underpaid' . We factually know that thousands of people have been and that there are people who still continue to be underpaid.
It's clear that many employers need to take better care of their staff and also to potentially follow the lead of the Richer Sounds founder, who is giving his staff stakes in the business, reflective of their contribution to the company's success."And dont forget John Lewis who have maintained a healthy business despite the pernicious influence of amazon while looking after their partners, the staff. A genuine example of a good socialist company. Oh and one other thing that gets ignored by the flat earthers on here! Equal pay for women. If you do the same job as a male counterpart why should you be paid less? There is no and never has been any justification for this especially when you think of how many entitled posh boys rise like scum to the top just because they went to a public school and got an introduction to a good job from their wealthy family friends and background. | |||
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"Hammond is mulling the idea of raising the minimum wage to 66% of median of earnings or £9.61 by 2020, so it seems there is a race for headlines. " At which point £9.61 would no longer be 66% of the median..... | |||
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"Hammond is mulling the idea of raising the minimum wage to 66% of median of earnings or £9.61 by 2020, so it seems there is a race for headlines. At which point £9.61 would no longer be 66% of the median....." Median not mean. | |||
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"were is he going to get the money to pay all workers 10 pounds a hour from the magik money tree againi for one will lay off all my weekend staff and some of my day statt too" taxing the rich 75% of their income | |||
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"were is he going to get the money to pay all workers 10 pounds a hour from the magik money tree againi for one will lay off all my weekend staff and some of my day statt too taxing the rich 75% of their income " Property/land value, income and brexit party taxes | |||
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"were is he going to get the money to pay all workers 10 pounds a hour from the magik money tree againi for one will lay off all my weekend staff and some of my day statt too taxing the rich 75% of their income Property/land value, income and brexit party taxes" This would simply make the current situation worse for high street retailers who are already struggling under the burden of rent and rates. Property owners already pay more than their fair share of taxes . | |||
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"I think the argument is that anyone is paid what they are worth. It is actually impossible to be underpaid. I don't know who has this argument 'anyone is paid what they are worth' , when it's clear that there are many people who are definitely underpaid. There are even people who rather fancy rewarding people on a basis akin to slavery. It's thought that almost a tenth of the mature population may be being underpaid - and we also know that care work is often remunerated at very low levels of pay. Carers allowance is an extreme example, where people can work almost 24/7 caring for someone, for less than £70 per week: though not a job, they are doing the same work that an employed carer would do. Care workers have also been paid illegally low wages over many years, whilst spending the night with people that they care for - the real-world evidence doesn't support the claim that it's impossible to be underpaid and that no one is
The fact that wages rise on an ongoing basis also reflects that people have to wait 12 months, for example, until their pay is increased, meaning that for some of that delay, they will have been underpaid too.
'It is actually impossible to be underpaid' . We factually know that thousands of people have been and that there are people who still continue to be underpaid.
It's clear that many employers need to take better care of their staff and also to potentially follow the lead of the Richer Sounds founder, who is giving his staff stakes in the business, reflective of their contribution to the company's success.
And dont forget John Lewis who have maintained a healthy business despite the pernicious influence of amazon while looking after their partners, the staff. A genuine example of a good socialist company.
Oh and one other thing that gets ignored by the flat earthers on here! Equal pay for women. If you do the same job as a male counterpart why should you be paid less? There is no and never has been any justification for this especially when you think of how many entitled posh boys rise like scum to the top just because they went to a public school and got an introduction to a good job from their wealthy family friends and background. "However to succeed in the good jobs to which you refer you will also have to exceptional talent . Going to public school only helps if you use the skills which you acquired attending it throughout your life. You only rise to the top because of your talent. | |||
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"were is he going to get the money to pay all workers 10 pounds a hour from the magik money tree againi for one will lay off all my weekend staff and some of my day statt too taxing the rich 75% of their income Property/land value, income and brexit party taxes This would simply make the current situation worse for high street retailers who are already struggling under the burden of rent and rates. Property owners already pay more than their fair share of taxes ." I think you’ll find its landlords dragging businesses under by demanding high rents, that and councils raising rates to cover what central government has taken away and all the while refusing to take action against the online tech giants who are set on destroying the high street. You really should try harder to find a way of looking at the bigger picture lad | |||
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"People should be paid by results or abilities...not by government recommendations...." Because that worked out well last time!  | |||
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"I think the argument is that anyone is paid what they are worth. It is actually impossible to be underpaid. I don't know who has this argument 'anyone is paid what they are worth' , when it's clear that there are many people who are definitely underpaid. There are even people who rather fancy rewarding people on a basis akin to slavery. It's thought that almost a tenth of the mature population may be being underpaid - and we also know that care work is often remunerated at very low levels of pay. Carers allowance is an extreme example, where people can work almost 24/7 caring for someone, for less than £70 per week: though not a job, they are doing the same work that an employed carer would do. Care workers have also been paid illegally low wages over many years, whilst spending the night with people that they care for - the real-world evidence doesn't support the claim that it's impossible to be underpaid and that no one is
The fact that wages rise on an ongoing basis also reflects that people have to wait 12 months, for example, until their pay is increased, meaning that for some of that delay, they will have been underpaid too.
'It is actually impossible to be underpaid' . We factually know that thousands of people have been and that there are people who still continue to be underpaid.
It's clear that many employers need to take better care of their staff and also to potentially follow the lead of the Richer Sounds founder, who is giving his staff stakes in the business, reflective of their contribution to the company's success.
And dont forget John Lewis who have maintained a healthy business despite the pernicious influence of amazon while looking after their partners, the staff. A genuine example of a good socialist company.
Oh and one other thing that gets ignored by the flat earthers on here! Equal pay for women. If you do the same job as a male counterpart why should you be paid less? There is no and never has been any justification for this especially when you think of how many entitled posh boys rise like scum to the top just because they went to a public school and got an introduction to a good job from their wealthy family friends and background. However to succeed in the good jobs to which you refer you will also have to exceptional talent . Going to public school only helps if you use the skills which you acquired attending it throughout your life. You only rise to the top because of your talent."Deep thinking brings its own rewards I find. Generalisation, (which you seem to have cornered the market in), tells one that if you have a good start in life by coming from a privileged background and being educated amongst the elite this then gives you a sense of entitlement, which you have not earned and a confidence from being financially secure that allows you to think you are superior and separate from the lower classes. So, if a public body with some teeth comes along (the EU) and demands to know why you don't declare where all your income comes from and why you don't pay your way in taxes then its very easy to invest time and money (tax deductible of course) in destabilising the EU by empowering nationalists/populists to rally around the traditions of our country.....and who stands to gain most from those traditional views.....why let me guess.....the landed gentry and bankers who we so recently bailed out! If you want to be a serf then carry on as you are but you could always try sniffing the coffee....then again you probably prefer instant | |||
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"I think the argument is that anyone is paid what they are worth. It is actually impossible to be underpaid. I don't know who has this argument 'anyone is paid what they are worth' , when it's clear that there are many people who are definitely underpaid. There are even people who rather fancy rewarding people on a basis akin to slavery. It's thought that almost a tenth of the mature population may be being underpaid - and we also know that care work is often remunerated at very low levels of pay. Carers allowance is an extreme example, where people can work almost 24/7 caring for someone, for less than £70 per week: though not a job, they are doing the same work that an employed carer would do. Care workers have also been paid illegally low wages over many years, whilst spending the night with people that they care for - the real-world evidence doesn't support the claim that it's impossible to be underpaid and that no one is
The fact that wages rise on an ongoing basis also reflects that people have to wait 12 months, for example, until their pay is increased, meaning that for some of that delay, they will have been underpaid too.
'It is actually impossible to be underpaid' . We factually know that thousands of people have been and that there are people who still continue to be underpaid.
It's clear that many employers need to take better care of their staff and also to potentially follow the lead of the Richer Sounds founder, who is giving his staff stakes in the business, reflective of their contribution to the company's success.
And dont forget John Lewis who have maintained a healthy business despite the pernicious influence of amazon while looking after their partners, the staff. A genuine example of a good socialist company.
Oh and one other thing that gets ignored by the flat earthers on here! Equal pay for women. If you do the same job as a male counterpart why should you be paid less? There is no and never has been any justification for this especially when you think of how many entitled posh boys rise like scum to the top just because they went to a public school and got an introduction to a good job from their wealthy family friends and background. However to succeed in the good jobs to which you refer you will also have to exceptional talent . Going to public school only helps if you use the skills which you acquired attending it throughout your life. You only rise to the top because of your talent.
Deep thinking brings its own rewards I find.
Generalisation, (which you seem to have cornered the market in), tells one that if you have a good start in life by coming from a privileged background and being educated amongst the elite this then gives you a sense of entitlement, which you have not earned and a confidence from being financially secure that allows you to think you are superior and separate from the lower classes. So, if a public body with some teeth comes along (the EU) and demands to know why you don't declare where all your income comes from and why you don't pay your way in taxes then its very easy to invest time and money (tax deductible of course) in destabilising the EU by empowering nationalists/populists to rally around the traditions of our country.....and who stands to gain most from those traditional views.....why let me guess.....the landed gentry and bankers who we so recently bailed out!
If you want to be a serf then carry on as you are but you could always try sniffing the coffee....then again you probably prefer instant "However the bank bailout money has to be repaid so I am unsure of your point.Would you prefer that the banking system collapsed. ? Many pensioners and pension funds lost a lot of money as a result of the banking crisis. I prefer to regard all people as being equal. Just because you went to public school does not necessarily mean that you will secure a well paid job and in addition even if you do secure a job you still need all the necessary skills to hold on to it. What type of awards has deep thinking brought you? Are they tangible or intangible ? | |||
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"A comfortable lifestyle with three bright and creative children, a couple of properties and a positive outlook. I have worked all over the world too so I am not closeted behind my sunglasses staring at the country with the distorted vision of murdoch media. Most importantly I feel a sense of moral duty and a hatred for complacency and weak thinking." Hi. Thanks for the reply. I note your use of the word hatred. I guess that in the context in which you use it you are neither as opened minded or tolerant as you claim to be. I am glad that the word hatred does not exist in my thought process . | |||
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"A comfortable lifestyle with three bright and creative children, a couple of properties and a positive outlook. I have worked all over the world too so I am not closeted behind my sunglasses staring at the country with the distorted vision of murdoch media. Most importantly I feel a sense of moral duty and a hatred for complacency and weak thinking. Hi. Thanks for the reply. I note your use of the word hatred. I guess that in the context in which you use it you are neither as opened minded or tolerant as you claim to be. I am glad that the word hatred does not exist in my thought process ." You seem to be more than capable of espousing some pretty hateful attitudes though, but then you do seem to think you hold the moral high ground don't you? | |||
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"A comfortable lifestyle with three bright and creative children, a couple of properties and a positive outlook. I have worked all over the world too so I am not closeted behind my sunglasses staring at the country with the distorted vision of murdoch media. Most importantly I feel a sense of moral duty and a hatred for complacency and weak thinking." It is always interesting when people refer to the Murdoch media and tend attempt to suggest that it distorts people's view of the world . They never tend to consider that their own views night be distorted by other factors. Most people tend to get information from a variety of different sources so it is difficult to see how any one set of media could leave to a distortion. | |||
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"A comfortable lifestyle with three bright and creative children, a couple of properties and a positive outlook. I have worked all over the world too so I am not closeted behind my sunglasses staring at the country with the distorted vision of murdoch media. Most importantly I feel a sense of moral duty and a hatred for complacency and weak thinking. Hi. Thanks for the reply. I note your use of the word hatred. I guess that in the context in which you use it you are neither as opened minded or tolerant as you claim to be. I am glad that the word hatred does not exist in my thought process . You seem to be more than capable of espousing some pretty hateful attitudes though, but then you do seem to think you hold the moral high ground don't you? " Luckily we get daily feedback in real life as to how valid our opinions are . Anyone with common sense is not going to rely on obtaining feedback from keyboard warriors . | |||
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"Ok T&T...which news sources (in your opinion) do you reckon folks on here get most of their information from? " I think some use breitbart and daily stormer.Some use socialist worker and morning star.Pat uses specialist publications you've never heard of. | |||
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"were is he going to get the money to pay all workers 10 pounds a hour from the magik money tree againi for one will lay off all my weekend staff and some of my day statt too" Is this a trick question?? He’s going to get the money from the same place the Tories always get tax cuts from, and money for the DUP, and salary increases for MPs, and multi-million pound apartments for civil servants in NY - you know, that magic money tree .... | |||
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"were is he going to get the money to pay all workers 10 pounds a hour from the magik money tree againi for one will lay off all my weekend staff and some of my day statt too Is this a trick question?? He’s going to get the money from the same place the Tories always get tax cuts from, and money for the DUP, and salary increases for MPs, and multi-million pound apartments for civil servants in NY - you know, that magic money tree ...." You know that apartment in NY is owned by the state. It isn't owned by the Torys? Fuck. in. hell. | |||
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"were is he going to get the money to pay all workers 10 pounds a hour from the magik money tree againi for one will lay off all my weekend staff and some of my day statt too Is this a trick question?? He’s going to get the money from the same place the Tories always get tax cuts from, and money for the DUP, and salary increases for MPs, and multi-million pound apartments for civil servants in NY - you know, that magic money tree .... You know that apartment in NY is owned by the state. It isn't owned by the Torys? Fuck. in. hell. " I believe it’s actually “fucking hell” . Let’s be clear when being obscene x | |||
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"If you can't pay your staff decent wages, your business model is flawed. I say this as someone who ran his own company. 70% of start ups fail - so either adapt your business model or accept that it wasn't very good and sell up. " In a manufacturing industry wages can make a difference, and if a company incurs additional costs, then only two things will occur. 1) they put their prices up, however what if they cannot for fear of losing their customers? 2) reduce costs, loose one or two employees Neither benefits the masses | |||
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