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"European elections 2019: Michael Heseltine says he won’t ‘betray my country’ by voting Tory if candidate is a Brexiteer 'Do I betray my country or my party? That becomes a simple choice with a simple answer' If only more Labour supporting Remainers would do the same! " I agree. I ain't voting for any of the f*ckers. Sgd. Labour supporting remainer | |||
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"My MP, Remain Constituency, replaced Tories by LDs in Local Election, he himself is a Remainer, but he keeps arguing he has to ‘respect’ democracy and support Leave - wtf, he is not respecting his constituents, nor their will. I would respect the Referendum if it hadn’t have been full of lies and false reporting. Pretty much none of what Leave promised has come to pass, whereas pretty much most of Remains have "And if every MP 'respected' their constituents' and how their constituency voted in the referendum, there would be about 470 leave MPs....and arguably we would have left by now. | |||
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"If Labour make a deal with the Tories they will lose my vote and I will take the best remain option available to me....just saying "Second that!! | |||
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"My MP, Remain Constituency, replaced Tories by LDs in Local Election, he himself is a Remainer, but he keeps arguing he has to ‘respect’ democracy and support Leave - wtf, he is not respecting his constituents, nor their will. I would respect the Referendum if it hadn’t have been full of lies and false reporting. Pretty much none of what Leave promised has come to pass, whereas pretty much most of Remains have
And if every MP 'respected' their constituents' and how their constituency voted in the referendum, there would be about 470 leave MPs....and arguably we would have left by now."As Ken Clarke said on QT last Thursday, if the ERG genuinely wanted a negotiated Brexit, they would have worked with May. They want a hard Brexit, which most others don’t, so it comes back to 17.4m people voted for 17.4m different reasons. It is no wonder an agreed solution cannot be reached. As 29m didn’t vote for any of this, surely we should recognise Brexit is shit and we need to bin it | |||
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"My MP, Remain Constituency, replaced Tories by LDs in Local Election, he himself is a Remainer, but he keeps arguing he has to ‘respect’ democracy and support Leave - wtf, he is not respecting his constituents, nor their will. I would respect the Referendum if it hadn’t have been full of lies and false reporting. Pretty much none of what Leave promised has come to pass, whereas pretty much most of Remains have
And if every MP 'respected' their constituents' and how their constituency voted in the referendum, there would be about 470 leave MPs....and arguably we would have left by now.
As Ken Clarke said on QT last Thursday, if the ERG genuinely wanted a negotiated Brexit, they would have worked with May. They want a hard Brexit, which most others don’t, so it comes back to 17.4m people voted for 17.4m different reasons. It is no wonder an agreed solution cannot be reached. As 29m didn’t vote for any of this, surely we should recognise Brexit is shit and we need to bin it "Take it you didn't see Ken Clarke get absolutely destroyed by Andrew Neill a couple of weeks ago about May's deal and the customs union then. As for 29 m didn't vote for brexit....more didn't vote to stay. | |||
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"My MP, Remain Constituency, replaced Tories by LDs in Local Election, he himself is a Remainer, but he keeps arguing he has to ‘respect’ democracy and support Leave - wtf, he is not respecting his constituents, nor their will. I would respect the Referendum if it hadn’t have been full of lies and false reporting. Pretty much none of what Leave promised has come to pass, whereas pretty much most of Remains have
And if every MP 'respected' their constituents' and how their constituency voted in the referendum, there would be about 470 leave MPs....and arguably we would have left by now.
As Ken Clarke said on QT last Thursday, if the ERG genuinely wanted a negotiated Brexit, they would have worked with May. They want a hard Brexit, which most others don’t, so it comes back to 17.4m people voted for 17.4m different reasons. It is no wonder an agreed solution cannot be reached. As 29m didn’t vote for any of this, surely we should recognise Brexit is shit and we need to bin it
Take it you didn't see Ken Clarke get absolutely destroyed by Andrew Neill a couple of weeks ago about May's deal and the customs union then.
As for 29 m didn't vote for brexit....more didn't vote to stay."Only 17.4m of 46m voters, of a population of 66m voted to Leave and they all want something different! So a minority voted for this, and none of you can actually agree what you wanted! & you blame Remainers... | |||
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"My MP, Remain Constituency, replaced Tories by LDs in Local Election, he himself is a Remainer, but he keeps arguing he has to ‘respect’ democracy and support Leave - wtf, he is not respecting his constituents, nor their will. I would respect the Referendum if it hadn’t have been full of lies and false reporting. Pretty much none of what Leave promised has come to pass, whereas pretty much most of Remains have
And if every MP 'respected' their constituents' and how their constituency voted in the referendum, there would be about 470 leave MPs....and arguably we would have left by now.
As Ken Clarke said on QT last Thursday, if the ERG genuinely wanted a negotiated Brexit, they would have worked with May. They want a hard Brexit, which most others don’t, so it comes back to 17.4m people voted for 17.4m different reasons. It is no wonder an agreed solution cannot be reached. As 29m didn’t vote for any of this, surely we should recognise Brexit is shit and we need to bin it
Take it you didn't see Ken Clarke get absolutely destroyed by Andrew Neill a couple of weeks ago about May's deal and the customs union then.
As for 29 m didn't vote for brexit....more didn't vote to stay.
Only 17.4m of 46m voters, of a population of 66m voted to Leave and they all want something different! So a minority voted for this, and none of you can actually agree what you wanted! & you blame Remainers... "How many people voted to join in the first place? | |||
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"My MP, Remain Constituency, replaced Tories by LDs in Local Election, he himself is a Remainer, but he keeps arguing he has to ‘respect’ democracy and support Leave - wtf, he is not respecting his constituents, nor their will. I would respect the Referendum if it hadn’t have been full of lies and false reporting. Pretty much none of what Leave promised has come to pass, whereas pretty much most of Remains have
And if every MP 'respected' their constituents' and how their constituency voted in the referendum, there would be about 470 leave MPs....and arguably we would have left by now.
As Ken Clarke said on QT last Thursday, if the ERG genuinely wanted a negotiated Brexit, they would have worked with May. They want a hard Brexit, which most others don’t, so it comes back to 17.4m people voted for 17.4m different reasons. It is no wonder an agreed solution cannot be reached. As 29m didn’t vote for any of this, surely we should recognise Brexit is shit and we need to bin it
Take it you didn't see Ken Clarke get absolutely destroyed by Andrew Neill a couple of weeks ago about May's deal and the customs union then.
As for 29 m didn't vote for brexit....more didn't vote to stay.
Only 17.4m of 46m voters, of a population of 66m voted to Leave and they all want something different! So a minority voted for this, and none of you can actually agree what you wanted! & you blame Remainers...
How many people voted to join in the first place?"The point was - what is it that 17.4m of you actually want? You do not all want the same thing and you don’t seem to be clear about your goal. Ask 2 Leavers and you get 3 answers! | |||
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"My MP, Remain Constituency, replaced Tories by LDs in Local Election, he himself is a Remainer, but he keeps arguing he has to ‘respect’ democracy and support Leave - wtf, he is not respecting his constituents, nor their will. I would respect the Referendum if it hadn’t have been full of lies and false reporting. Pretty much none of what Leave promised has come to pass, whereas pretty much most of Remains have
And if every MP 'respected' their constituents' and how their constituency voted in the referendum, there would be about 470 leave MPs....and arguably we would have left by now.
As Ken Clarke said on QT last Thursday, if the ERG genuinely wanted a negotiated Brexit, they would have worked with May. They want a hard Brexit, which most others don’t, so it comes back to 17.4m people voted for 17.4m different reasons. It is no wonder an agreed solution cannot be reached. As 29m didn’t vote for any of this, surely we should recognise Brexit is shit and we need to bin it
Take it you didn't see Ken Clarke get absolutely destroyed by Andrew Neill a couple of weeks ago about May's deal and the customs union then.
As for 29 m didn't vote for brexit....more didn't vote to stay.
Only 17.4m of 46m voters, of a population of 66m voted to Leave and they all want something different! So a minority voted for this, and none of you can actually agree what you wanted! & you blame Remainers...
How many people voted to join in the first place?
The point was - what is it that 17.4m of you actually want? You do not all want the same thing and you don’t seem to be clear about your goal. Ask 2 Leavers and you get 3 answers! "Yep....just the same as when you ask a remainer what they think "remain and reform" means... Although you don't get three answers when you ask 2 remainers...you just get blank faces. | |||
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"My MP, Remain Constituency, replaced Tories by LDs in Local Election, he himself is a Remainer, but he keeps arguing he has to ‘respect’ democracy and support Leave - wtf, he is not respecting his constituents, nor their will. I would respect the Referendum if it hadn’t have been full of lies and false reporting. Pretty much none of what Leave promised has come to pass, whereas pretty much most of Remains have
And if every MP 'respected' their constituents' and how their constituency voted in the referendum, there would be about 470 leave MPs....and arguably we would have left by now.
As Ken Clarke said on QT last Thursday, if the ERG genuinely wanted a negotiated Brexit, they would have worked with May. They want a hard Brexit, which most others don’t, so it comes back to 17.4m people voted for 17.4m different reasons. It is no wonder an agreed solution cannot be reached. As 29m didn’t vote for any of this, surely we should recognise Brexit is shit and we need to bin it
Take it you didn't see Ken Clarke get absolutely destroyed by Andrew Neill a couple of weeks ago about May's deal and the customs union then.
As for 29 m didn't vote for brexit....more didn't vote to stay.
Only 17.4m of 46m voters, of a population of 66m voted to Leave and they all want something different! So a minority voted for this, and none of you can actually agree what you wanted! & you blame Remainers...
How many people voted to join in the first place?
The point was - what is it that 17.4m of you actually want? You do not all want the same thing and you don’t seem to be clear about your goal. Ask 2 Leavers and you get 3 answers!
Yep....just the same as when you ask a remainer what they think "remain and reform" means... Although you don't get three answers when you ask 2 remainers...you just get blank faces."Hmm...sounds like you’re avoiding the issue again! | |||
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"My MP, Remain Constituency, replaced Tories by LDs in Local Election, he himself is a Remainer, but he keeps arguing he has to ‘respect’ democracy and support Leave - wtf, he is not respecting his constituents, nor their will. I would respect the Referendum if it hadn’t have been full of lies and false reporting. Pretty much none of what Leave promised has come to pass, whereas pretty much most of Remains have
And if every MP 'respected' their constituents' and how their constituency voted in the referendum, there would be about 470 leave MPs....and arguably we would have left by now.
As Ken Clarke said on QT last Thursday, if the ERG genuinely wanted a negotiated Brexit, they would have worked with May. They want a hard Brexit, which most others don’t, so it comes back to 17.4m people voted for 17.4m different reasons. It is no wonder an agreed solution cannot be reached. As 29m didn’t vote for any of this, surely we should recognise Brexit is shit and we need to bin it
Take it you didn't see Ken Clarke get absolutely destroyed by Andrew Neill a couple of weeks ago about May's deal and the customs union then.
As for 29 m didn't vote for brexit....more didn't vote to stay.
Only 17.4m of 46m voters, of a population of 66m voted to Leave and they all want something different! So a minority voted for this, and none of you can actually agree what you wanted! & you blame Remainers...
How many people voted to join in the first place?
The point was - what is it that 17.4m of you actually want? You do not all want the same thing and you don’t seem to be clear about your goal. Ask 2 Leavers and you get 3 answers!
Yep....just the same as when you ask a remainer what they think "remain and reform" means... Although you don't get three answers when you ask 2 remainers...you just get blank faces."The think about Remain is that it is clear that it is the status quo, therefore it is easy to see what we get. My point is that Leave does not have 17.4m who voted for the same thing. Many were protest votes which have melted away, some wanted Common Market 2.0, some wanted Canada Plus, some wanted EFTA, some wanted Norway Plus, some wanted to Leave and damn the consequences - but the thing is you can’t agree on what it is you want. Because of this we end up in the debacle we have now. & Leave do not have a solution for the NI/GFA problem. | |||
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"My MP, Remain Constituency, replaced Tories by LDs in Local Election, he himself is a Remainer, but he keeps arguing he has to ‘respect’ democracy and support Leave - wtf, he is not respecting his constituents, nor their will. I would respect the Referendum if it hadn’t have been full of lies and false reporting. Pretty much none of what Leave promised has come to pass, whereas pretty much most of Remains have
And if every MP 'respected' their constituents' and how their constituency voted in the referendum, there would be about 470 leave MPs....and arguably we would have left by now.
As Ken Clarke said on QT last Thursday, if the ERG genuinely wanted a negotiated Brexit, they would have worked with May. They want a hard Brexit, which most others don’t, so it comes back to 17.4m people voted for 17.4m different reasons. It is no wonder an agreed solution cannot be reached. As 29m didn’t vote for any of this, surely we should recognise Brexit is shit and we need to bin it
Take it you didn't see Ken Clarke get absolutely destroyed by Andrew Neill a couple of weeks ago about May's deal and the customs union then.
As for 29 m didn't vote for brexit....more didn't vote to stay.
Only 17.4m of 46m voters, of a population of 66m voted to Leave and they all want something different! So a minority voted for this, and none of you can actually agree what you wanted! & you blame Remainers...
How many people voted to join in the first place?
The point was - what is it that 17.4m of you actually want? You do not all want the same thing and you don’t seem to be clear about your goal. Ask 2 Leavers and you get 3 answers!
Yep....just the same as when you ask a remainer what they think "remain and reform" means... Although you don't get three answers when you ask 2 remainers...you just get blank faces."Hey love, wanna explain how we solve the Irish border? I have my bingo card ready. Let's see if we get something other than: 1.) Technology a-la Mogg - which doesn't exist, and he cannot name who will make it. 2.) This is absurd, there won't be an issue. 3.) We can just leave and let the Irish deal with it (illegal). 4.) The Good Friday agreement was between the UK and the Irish we can (ignoring that it was built around using the structures of the EU), we will have to reform to suit our needs. | |||
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"My MP, Remain Constituency, replaced Tories by LDs in Local Election, he himself is a Remainer, but he keeps arguing he has to ‘respect’ democracy and support Leave - wtf, he is not respecting his constituents, nor their will. I would respect the Referendum if it hadn’t have been full of lies and false reporting. Pretty much none of what Leave promised has come to pass, whereas pretty much most of Remains have
And if every MP 'respected' their constituents' and how their constituency voted in the referendum, there would be about 470 leave MPs....and arguably we would have left by now.
As Ken Clarke said on QT last Thursday, if the ERG genuinely wanted a negotiated Brexit, they would have worked with May. They want a hard Brexit, which most others don’t, so it comes back to 17.4m people voted for 17.4m different reasons. It is no wonder an agreed solution cannot be reached. As 29m didn’t vote for any of this, surely we should recognise Brexit is shit and we need to bin it
Take it you didn't see Ken Clarke get absolutely destroyed by Andrew Neill a couple of weeks ago about May's deal and the customs union then.
As for 29 m didn't vote for brexit....more didn't vote to stay.
Only 17.4m of 46m voters, of a population of 66m voted to Leave and they all want something different! So a minority voted for this, and none of you can actually agree what you wanted! & you blame Remainers...
How many people voted to join in the first place?"17.4 million of a smaller electorate voted to Remain in 1975. We actually joined EFTA in 1960 and the EEC in 1973. | |||
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"There is one reason why there won't be another referendum. That reason is that there is no establishment control over the result. Elections result in an establishment government whether to the left or right. The result can be overturned at the next election. Brexit is different. The cross demographic of each side makes the control of the outcome too difficult for the political classes to handle. If the vote ended up in a no deal scenario, then what?" Pretty sure 17.4m didn’t vote for No Deal  | |||
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"There is one reason why there won't be another referendum. That reason is that there is no establishment control over the result. Elections result in an establishment government whether to the left or right. The result can be overturned at the next election. Brexit is different. The cross demographic of each side makes the control of the outcome too difficult for the political classes to handle. If the vote ended up in a no deal scenario, then what? Pretty sure 17.4m didn’t vote for No Deal "correct but 17.4 million voted to les ave the EU dumb t-at | |||
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"There is one reason why there won't be another referendum. That reason is that there is no establishment control over the result. Elections result in an establishment government whether to the left or right. The result can be overturned at the next election. Brexit is different. The cross demographic of each side makes the control of the outcome too difficult for the political classes to handle. If the vote ended up in a no deal scenario, then what? Pretty sure 17.4m didn’t vote for No Deal correct but 17.4 million voted to les ave the EU dumb t-at"But which version of Leave did they go for? | |||
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"My MP, Remain Constituency, replaced Tories by LDs in Local Election, he himself is a Remainer, but he keeps arguing he has to ‘respect’ democracy and support Leave - wtf, he is not respecting his constituents, nor their will. I would respect the Referendum if it hadn’t have been full of lies and false reporting. Pretty much none of what Leave promised has come to pass, whereas pretty much most of Remains have
And if every MP 'respected' their constituents' and how their constituency voted in the referendum, there would be about 470 leave MPs....and arguably we would have left by now.
As Ken Clarke said on QT last Thursday, if the ERG genuinely wanted a negotiated Brexit, they would have worked with May. They want a hard Brexit, which most others don’t, so it comes back to 17.4m people voted for 17.4m different reasons. It is no wonder an agreed solution cannot be reached. As 29m didn’t vote for any of this, surely we should recognise Brexit is shit and we need to bin it
Take it you didn't see Ken Clarke get absolutely destroyed by Andrew Neill a couple of weeks ago about May's deal and the customs union then.
As for 29 m didn't vote for brexit....more didn't vote to stay.
Only 17.4m of 46m voters, of a population of 66m voted to Leave and they all want something different! So a minority voted for this, and none of you can actually agree what you wanted! & you blame Remainers...
How many people voted to join in the first place?
17.4 million of a smaller electorate voted to Remain in 1975. We actually joined EFTA in 1960 and the EEC in 1973.
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"My MP, Remain Constituency, replaced Tories by LDs in Local Election, he himself is a Remainer, but he keeps arguing he has to ‘respect’ democracy and support Leave - wtf, he is not respecting his constituents, nor their will. I would respect the Referendum if it hadn’t have been full of lies and false reporting. Pretty much none of what Leave promised has come to pass, whereas pretty much most of Remains have
And if every MP 'respected' their constituents' and how their constituency voted in the referendum, there would be about 470 leave MPs....and arguably we would have left by now.
As Ken Clarke said on QT last Thursday, if the ERG genuinely wanted a negotiated Brexit, they would have worked with May. They want a hard Brexit, which most others don’t, so it comes back to 17.4m people voted for 17.4m different reasons. It is no wonder an agreed solution cannot be reached. As 29m didn’t vote for any of this, surely we should recognise Brexit is shit and we need to bin it
Take it you didn't see Ken Clarke get absolutely destroyed by Andrew Neill a couple of weeks ago about May's deal and the customs union then.
As for 29 m didn't vote for brexit....more didn't vote to stay.
Only 17.4m of 46m voters, of a population of 66m voted to Leave and they all want something different! So a minority voted for this, and none of you can actually agree what you wanted! & you blame Remainers...
How many people voted to join in the first place?
The point was - what is it that 17.4m of you actually want? You do not all want the same thing and you don’t seem to be clear about your goal. Ask 2 Leavers and you get 3 answers!
Yep....just the same as when you ask a remainer what they think "remain and reform" means... Although you don't get three answers when you ask 2 remainers...you just get blank faces.
The think about Remain is that it is clear that it is the status quo, therefore it is easy to see what we get. My point is that Leave does not have 17.4m who voted for the same thing. Many were protest votes which have melted away, some wanted Common Market 2.0, some wanted Canada Plus, some wanted EFTA, some wanted Norway Plus, some wanted to Leave and damn the consequences - but the thing is you can’t agree on what it is you want. Because of this we end up in the debacle we have now.
& Leave do not have a solution for the NI/GFA problem."The remain campaign was quite clearly "Remain and Reform"....which is NOT keeping the status quo. | |||
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"Given that the Leave vote in 2016 was essentially a protest vote, surely we should have the option in a 2nd referendum to consider each of the potential options? 1. Stay 2. Leave - May’s Deal 2. Leave - WTO 3. Leave - Stay in Single Market, but leave Customs Union (Norway) 4. Leave - Leave Single Market, but agree Customs Union (Turkey) 5. Leave - Leave the Single Markey & Customs Union, but negotiate a bilateral deal (Switz/Canada) The one with the most votes wins "Don’t get where the protest vote bit comes from it was a straight leave or stay vote and people made up their own minds what they wanted too vote for As for a second referendum please tell me why remain should be on there when the majority of people voted to leave just don’t see why remain should even be considered in the list of options you have listed I agree maybe a confirmatory vote on any type of deal on the table | |||
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"When i didn't vote in the referendum i sort of thought leave meant leave. Not leave means piss about sorting out a deal and annoy the arse of everyone with a cluster fuck of negotiations over 3 years... good fun watching the soap opera tho" & you’re the same as the other 17.4m? I’m not having a dig, Even with the 5 Leave options outlined, I just cannot see that people could agree on them. It does explain how hard it is for MPs. Would any of these options have enough support to gain 17.4m votes? | |||
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"There is one reason why there won't be another referendum. That reason is that there is no establishment control over the result. Elections result in an establishment government whether to the left or right. The result can be overturned at the next election. Brexit is different. The cross demographic of each side makes the control of the outcome too difficult for the political classes to handle. If the vote ended up in a no deal scenario, then what? Pretty sure 17.4m didn’t vote for No Deal "you say your pretty sure so how many times did you here or read about a deal soft brexit or hard brexit before the referendum then ? Cameron had a letter in every house hold telling us leave means leaving the customs union all the crap about soft hard brexit was after the vote so stop woth the no one new what deal we would get | |||
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"There is one reason why there won't be another referendum. That reason is that there is no establishment control over the result. Elections result in an establishment government whether to the left or right. The result can be overturned at the next election. Brexit is different. The cross demographic of each side makes the control of the outcome too difficult for the political classes to handle. If the vote ended up in a no deal scenario, then what? Pretty sure 17.4m didn’t vote for No Deal you say your pretty sure so how many times did you here or read about a deal soft brexit or hard brexit before the referendum then ? Cameron had a letter in every house hold telling us leave means leaving the customs union all the crap about soft hard brexit was after the vote so stop woth the no one new what deal we would get "So, which of the 5 options would get your vote? These options are the consequence of voting Leave. | |||
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1. Leave - May’s Deal
2. Leave - WTO
3. Leave - Stay in Single Market, but leave Customs Union (Norway)
4. Leave - Leave Single Market, but agree Customs Union (Turkey)
5. Leave - Leave the Single Markey & Customs Union, but negotiate a bilateral deal (Switz/Canada) | |||
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"When i didn't vote in the referendum i sort of thought leave meant leave. Not leave means piss about sorting out a deal and annoy the arse of everyone with a cluster fuck of negotiations over 3 years... good fun watching the soap opera tho" Leaving an organisation that we are fairly well integrated with and provides us with a lot of benefits was never going to be easy to do, although Brexiteers sure told a lot of lies that it would be straightforward. | |||
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"To make is easier to recall
1. Stay
Or
1. Leave - May’s Deal
2. Leave - WTO
3. Leave - Stay in Single Market, but leave Customs Union (Norway)
4. Leave - Leave Single Market, but agree Customs Union (Turkey)
5. Leave - Leave the Single Markey & Customs Union, but negotiate a bilateral deal (Switz/Canada)"I don’t need it to be made easier to recall thanx so because I voted leave I must be thick eh ? | |||
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"There is one reason why there won't be another referendum. That reason is that there is no establishment control over the result. Elections result in an establishment government whether to the left or right. The result can be overturned at the next election. Brexit is different. The cross demographic of each side makes the control of the outcome too difficult for the political classes to handle. If the vote ended up in a no deal scenario, then what? Pretty sure 17.4m didn’t vote for No Deal you say your pretty sure so how many times did you here or read about a deal soft brexit or hard brexit before the referendum then ? Cameron had a letter in every house hold telling us leave means leaving the customs union all the crap about soft hard brexit was after the vote so stop woth the no one new what deal we would get "The leaflet said the government thought it would take 10 years or more to unpick and renegotiate. That's saying there will be a deal. Just not quick. It also said some said we could strike a good deal quickly because the EU wants access to our markets. But the government judges it would be harder than that. So it looks like this piece of propoganda ((c) centaur) was fairly accurate here. Finally it says a more limited trade deal will give us less access. But that's still a deal. And a different favour of leaving. Iirc leave means leave is a Mayism. | |||
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"To make is easier to recall
1. Stay
Or
1. Leave - May’s Deal
2. Leave - WTO
3. Leave - Stay in Single Market, but leave Customs Union (Norway)
4. Leave - Leave Single Market, but agree Customs Union (Turkey)
5. Leave - Leave the Single Markey & Customs Union, but negotiate a bilateral deal (Switz/Canada) I don’t need it to be made easier to recall thanx so because I voted leave I must be thick eh ? "Why be so confrontational? I was asking where the 17.4m would choose. All you have to do is tell us | |||
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" Pretty sure 17.4m didn’t vote for No Deal you say your pretty sure so how many times did you here or read about a deal soft brexit or hard brexit before the referendum then ? Cameron had a letter in every house hold telling us leave means leaving the customs union all the crap about soft hard brexit was after the vote so stop woth the no one new what deal we would get "The leaflet was a general information leaflet, sent by the government to all households. The points to be concerned about were the lies that were told by those proposing that the UK leaves. These included: 'A free-trade deal with the EU will be 'the easiest thing in human history' 'Brexit does not mean the UK will leave the single market' “Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market,” the 'godfather' of Brexit said. This is in addition to the £millions that were and continue being spent on adverts to influence people to want to leave, at any cost - often with no transparency over who is paying for them. Deceits about it not being the UK, as one of the 28, who make decisions on the laws that will be implemented across the EU - instead pretending that it's unelected pen pushers etc, that impose laws on to us, without us being those who have decided upon them, within the EU. Lying and the evasion of personal responsibility by those who orchestrated brexit have sunk the UK to new lows. Many of the people who once believed some/all of them, now know differently. The brexit that some perceived was possible and being sought, has vanished, as it's become clearer that it was just a fantasy created from lies, or was impossible. As others pointed out, there were many different brexits that people voted for, leaved didn't mean leave, in the same way to each of them. As democracy is an ongoing and fluid process, where peoples' differing understandings and needs alter things, seeking to cling to a position that's 3 years old, when it was influened by deception as well as illegal campaign activities, is certainly not going going to reflect today's position from each of them, or as a whole. Almost 3 years on, we now know the result of the negotiated offer with the EU, alongside an appreciation of what leaving will mean for the relationship, issues with the NI border and employment with businesses in the UK, amongst other important aspects of life. It's now a considerably different perspective that people can take, compared to at the height of the brexit campaign based on so many lies. | |||
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"You have 6 options numbered 1-5 and you said make it easier for me lol ya bute " I assumed you would ignore Stay, so choose one of the 5 for Leave? | |||
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"My MP, Remain Constituency, replaced Tories by LDs in Local Election, he himself is a Remainer, but he keeps arguing he has to ‘respect’ democracy and support Leave - wtf, he is not respecting his constituents, nor their will. I would respect the Referendum if it hadn’t have been full of lies and false reporting. Pretty much none of what Leave promised has come to pass, whereas pretty much most of Remains have
And if every MP 'respected' their constituents' and how their constituency voted in the referendum, there would be about 470 leave MPs....and arguably we would have left by now.
As Ken Clarke said on QT last Thursday, if the ERG genuinely wanted a negotiated Brexit, they would have worked with May. They want a hard Brexit, which most others don’t, so it comes back to 17.4m people voted for 17.4m different reasons. It is no wonder an agreed solution cannot be reached. As 29m didn’t vote for any of this, surely we should recognise Brexit is shit and we need to bin it
Take it you didn't see Ken Clarke get absolutely destroyed by Andrew Neill a couple of weeks ago about May's deal and the customs union then.
As for 29 m didn't vote for brexit....more didn't vote to stay.
Only 17.4m of 46m voters, of a population of 66m voted to Leave and they all want something different! So a minority voted for this, and none of you can actually agree what you wanted! & you blame Remainers...
How many people voted to join in the first place?
The point was - what is it that 17.4m of you actually want? You do not all want the same thing and you don’t seem to be clear about your goal. Ask 2 Leavers and you get 3 answers!
Yep....just the same as when you ask a remainer what they think "remain and reform" means... Although you don't get three answers when you ask 2 remainers...you just get blank faces.
The think about Remain is that it is clear that it is the status quo, therefore it is easy to see what we get. My point is that Leave does not have 17.4m who voted for the same thing. Many were protest votes which have melted away, some wanted Common Market 2.0, some wanted Canada Plus, some wanted EFTA, some wanted Norway Plus, some wanted to Leave and damn the consequences - but the thing is you can’t agree on what it is you want. Because of this we end up in the debacle we have now.
& Leave do not have a solution for the NI/GFA problem.
The remain campaign was quite clearly "Remain and Reform"....which is NOT keeping the status quo."Wasn't that Labour rather than the official leave campaign? | |||
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"You have 6 options numbered 1-5 and you said make it easier for me lol ya bute I assumed you would ignore Stay, so choose one of the 5 for Leave? i would ignore stay or sorry I thought your post was for the 17.4 million leave voters but thank you for doing it just for me It won’t get you a meet with us tho ya flirt lol" I could live without the meet, but getting a straight answer from a Leaver is nigh on impossible. How on earth do you expect MPs to 2nd guess what 17.4m want if one of you won’t answer a simple question | |||
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"You have 6 options numbered 1-5 and you said make it easier for me lol ya bute I assumed you would ignore Stay, so choose one of the 5 for Leave? i would ignore stay or sorry I thought your post was for the 17.4 million leave voters but thank you for doing it just for me It won’t get you a meet with us tho ya flirt lol I could live without the meet, but getting a straight answer from a Leaver is nigh on impossible. How on earth do you expect MPs to 2nd guess what 17.4m want if one of you won’t answer a simple question "you do know this isn’t a government question don’t you your a cpl on a swinging site it doesn’t matter what is said on here I don’t think TM is going to read any of it I would of been happy to play your game on here if you didn’t put I’ll make it easier for you like I’m an idiot mate | |||
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"You have 6 options numbered 1-5 and you said make it easier for me lol ya bute I assumed you would ignore Stay, so choose one of the 5 for Leave? i would ignore stay or sorry I thought your post was for the 17.4 million leave voters but thank you for doing it just for me It won’t get you a meet with us tho ya flirt lol I could live without the meet, but getting a straight answer from a Leaver is nigh on impossible. How on earth do you expect MPs to 2nd guess what 17.4m want if one of you won’t answer a simple question you do know this isn’t a government question don’t you your a cpl on a swinging site it doesn’t matter what is said on here I don’t think TM is going to read any of it I would of been happy to play your game on here if you didn’t put I’ll make it easier for you like I’m an idiot mate "& you wonder why Remainers question the sanity of some Leavers. As you rightly pointed out, May isn’t looking at this, but others do. When a 2nd Referendum comes, I was just warming you up to some of the choices you will have to make. Or you could just not vote and accept the outcome? There is clearly no widely accepted agreement on what Leave looks like, by you or anyone else, so why bother leaving? | |||
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"You have 6 options numbered 1-5 and you said make it easier for me lol ya bute I assumed you would ignore Stay, so choose one of the 5 for Leave? i would ignore stay or sorry I thought your post was for the 17.4 million leave voters but thank you for doing it just for me It won’t get you a meet with us tho ya flirt lol I could live without the meet, but getting a straight answer from a Leaver is nigh on impossible. How on earth do you expect MPs to 2nd guess what 17.4m want if one of you won’t answer a simple question you do know this isn’t a government question don’t you your a cpl on a swinging site it doesn’t matter what is said on here I don’t think TM is going to read any of it I would of been happy to play your game on here if you didn’t put I’ll make it easier for you like I’m an idiot mate
& you wonder why Remainers question the sanity of some Leavers. As you rightly pointed out, May isn’t looking at this, but others do. When a 2nd Referendum comes, I was just warming you up to some of the choices you will have to make. Or you could just not vote and accept the outcome?
There is clearly no widely accepted agreement on what Leave looks like, by you or anyone else, so why bother leaving?"if not when a second vote comes And if it was leave again do you think it would make a difference to how remainers think about leavers I personally don’t | |||
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"You have 6 options numbered 1-5 and you said make it easier for me lol ya bute I assumed you would ignore Stay, so choose one of the 5 for Leave? i would ignore stay or sorry I thought your post was for the 17.4 million leave voters but thank you for doing it just for me It won’t get you a meet with us tho ya flirt lol I could live without the meet, but getting a straight answer from a Leaver is nigh on impossible. How on earth do you expect MPs to 2nd guess what 17.4m want if one of you won’t answer a simple question you do know this isn’t a government question don’t you your a cpl on a swinging site it doesn’t matter what is said on here I don’t think TM is going to read any of it I would of been happy to play your game on here if you didn’t put I’ll make it easier for you like I’m an idiot mate
& you wonder why Remainers question the sanity of some Leavers. As you rightly pointed out, May isn’t looking at this, but others do. When a 2nd Referendum comes, I was just warming you up to some of the choices you will have to make. Or you could just not vote and accept the outcome?
There is clearly no widely accepted agreement on what Leave looks like, by you or anyone else, so why bother leaving? if not when a second vote comes And if it was leave again do you think it would make a difference to how remainers think about leavers I personally don’t "It is more likely to be the ‘6’ options I outlined. I imagine with an option of ‘preferences’ so that the least popular option gets discounted and we end up with the one that has the most votes. STV (Single Transferable Vote) is used in NI for the European Elections and widely used elsewhere. So rabid Leavers can choose ‘No Deal’ and ignore everything else, through to rabid Remainers can choose ‘Stay’ and ignore everything else. In between people can choose, for instance, first choice ‘Norway’ deal, 2nd choice Stay; or first choice Stay, 2nd choice Canada deal. Yes it is more complex than Stay or Leave, but we aren’t buying Cornflakes, it is a complex question that will require us all to make a bit of an effort to understand. Relying on ‘Honest Nige’ to guide us should not be regarded as making a bit of an effort... | |||
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"Or honest Theresa or honest Jeremy " Agreed, maybe you can see the above approach is likely to lead to a more representative outcome though? | |||
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"That’s if there is a vote I still can’t see it tho " Well unless you enjoy Grounhog Day, there doesn’t seem to be an alternative now | |||
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"My MP, Remain Constituency, replaced Tories by LDs in Local Election, he himself is a Remainer, but he keeps arguing he has to ‘respect’ democracy and support Leave - wtf, he is not respecting his constituents, nor their will. I would respect the Referendum if it hadn’t have been full of lies and false reporting. Pretty much none of what Leave promised has come to pass, whereas pretty much most of Remains have
And if every MP 'respected' their constituents' and how their constituency voted in the referendum, there would be about 470 leave MPs....and arguably we would have left by now.
As Ken Clarke said on QT last Thursday, if the ERG genuinely wanted a negotiated Brexit, they would have worked with May. They want a hard Brexit, which most others don’t, so it comes back to 17.4m people voted for 17.4m different reasons. It is no wonder an agreed solution cannot be reached. As 29m didn’t vote for any of this, surely we should recognise Brexit is shit and we need to bin it
Take it you didn't see Ken Clarke get absolutely destroyed by Andrew Neill a couple of weeks ago about May's deal and the customs union then.
As for 29 m didn't vote for brexit....more didn't vote to stay.
Only 17.4m of 46m voters, of a population of 66m voted to Leave and they all want something different! So a minority voted for this, and none of you can actually agree what you wanted! & you blame Remainers...
How many people voted to join in the first place?
17.4 million of a smaller electorate voted to Remain in 1975. We actually joined EFTA in 1960 and the EEC in 1973.
And how many voted to actually join the EEC?"There wasn't a referendum to join either EFTA or the EEC. | |||
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"Given that the Leave vote in 2016 was essentially a protest vote, surely we should have the option in a 2nd referendum to consider each of the potential options? 1. Stay 2. Leave - May’s Deal 2. Leave - WTO 3. Leave - Stay in Single Market, but leave Customs Union (Norway) 4. Leave - Leave Single Market, but agree Customs Union (Turkey) 5. Leave - Leave the Single Markey & Customs Union, but negotiate a bilateral deal (Switz/Canada) The one with the most votes wins
Don’t get where the protest vote bit comes from it was a straight leave or stay vote and people made up their own minds what they wanted too vote for
As for a second referendum please tell me why remain should be on there when the majority of people voted to leave just don’t see why remain should even be considered in the list of options you have listed
I agree maybe a confirmatory vote on any type of deal on the table"Because just maybe more people want to remain than either Leaving with a bad deal or no deal individually. As what was promised in the Referendum Campaign and the General Election that followed was to Leave the EU with a better deal than we currently have and neither a bad deal or no deal delivers that promise, it's fallacious to argue that 17.4 million people voted for it. Even if most of the 17.4 million people who voted to Leave in 2016 are OK or happy to Leave with no deal it only needs less than 2 in every 50 to have voted Leave expecting to get what was promised who would of voted Remain if they'd known that what was going to be delivered was a no deal BREXIT or a bad deal BREXIT, for the result to have been the other way round. There is no mandate for a no deal or bad deal BREXIT. | |||
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"It doesn’t matter what I enjoy it’s not down to me or you or anyone on fab this is just a swingers site it’s not real life it’s mps who will decide we had our vote that’s us all done " Glad your happy to let them get on with it, I am less convinced | |||
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"My MP, Remain Constituency, replaced Tories by LDs in Local Election, he himself is a Remainer, but he keeps arguing he has to ‘respect’ democracy and support Leave - wtf, he is not respecting his constituents, nor their will. I would respect the Referendum if it hadn’t have been full of lies and false reporting. Pretty much none of what Leave promised has come to pass, whereas pretty much most of Remains have
And if every MP 'respected' their constituents' and how their constituency voted in the referendum, there would be about 470 leave MPs....and arguably we would have left by now.
As Ken Clarke said on QT last Thursday, if the ERG genuinely wanted a negotiated Brexit, they would have worked with May. They want a hard Brexit, which most others don’t, so it comes back to 17.4m people voted for 17.4m different reasons. It is no wonder an agreed solution cannot be reached. As 29m didn’t vote for any of this, surely we should recognise Brexit is shit and we need to bin it
Take it you didn't see Ken Clarke get absolutely destroyed by Andrew Neill a couple of weeks ago about May's deal and the customs union then.
As for 29 m didn't vote for brexit....more didn't vote to stay.
Only 17.4m of 46m voters, of a population of 66m voted to Leave and they all want something different! So a minority voted for this, and none of you can actually agree what you wanted! & you blame Remainers...
How many people voted to join in the first place?
The point was - what is it that 17.4m of you actually want? You do not all want the same thing and you don’t seem to be clear about your goal. Ask 2 Leavers and you get 3 answers!
Yep....just the same as when you ask a remainer what they think "remain and reform" means... Although you don't get three answers when you ask 2 remainers...you just get blank faces.
The think about Remain is that it is clear that it is the status quo, therefore it is easy to see what we get. My point is that Leave does not have 17.4m who voted for the same thing. Many were protest votes which have melted away, some wanted Common Market 2.0, some wanted Canada Plus, some wanted EFTA, some wanted Norway Plus, some wanted to Leave and damn the consequences - but the thing is you can’t agree on what it is you want. Because of this we end up in the debacle we have now.
& Leave do not have a solution for the NI/GFA problem.
The remain campaign was quite clearly "Remain and Reform"....which is NOT keeping the status quo."Fake news. The remain campaign was not "remain and reform". You heard what you wanted to here. The remain campaign was...remain. Feel free to find the information to backup your assertion. Jeremy Corbyn said: "So Europe needs to change. But that change can only come from working with our allies in the EU. It’s perfectly possible to be critical and still be convinced we need to remain a member." That is how democracy works. Does our country ever need to change or has it always been perfect? | |||
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"It doesn’t matter what I enjoy it’s not down to me or you or anyone on fab this is just a swingers site it’s not real life it’s mps who will decide we had our vote that’s us all done Glad your happy to let them get on with it, I am less convinced "what are you talking about now happy to let them get on woth it ? Are you going to change anything by moaning about it on a swingers site can you tell us what you are going to do then you’ve asked plenty of questions on here so how are you going to change things iv not read anything on fab that anyone is happy about this shit we are all fed up it’s been 3 yrs | |||
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"Wistfully looks back at how much better it was before the Referendum vote - makes you think, doesn’t it "how much better was it pls tell us as anything really changed ? I can’t see any change you do know we’ve not left yet lol | |||
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"I haven’t bloody noticed because when we go out know one ever talks about brexit for gods sake why would they the only time I talk about it is in here It’s been 3 yrs none stop on the news and papers but in real life it asnt changed me or ppl I know as it really affected your life ?" The subject is so divisive, so bitter, that I generally avoid engaging people in the subject, especially in a bar. "Que Sera Sera" is about as much as I'll say. | |||
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"Given that the Leave vote in 2016 was essentially a protest vote, surely we should have the option in a 2nd referendum to consider each of the potential options? 1. Stay 2. Leave - May’s Deal 2. Leave - WTO 3. Leave - Stay in Single Market, but leave Customs Union (Norway) 4. Leave - Leave Single Market, but agree Customs Union (Turkey) 5. Leave - Leave the Single Markey & Customs Union, but negotiate a bilateral deal (Switz/Canada) The one with the most votes wins "One option for remaining and four different options for leaving. Talk about divide and conquer! No way!! | |||
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"Given that the Leave vote in 2016 was essentially a protest vote, surely we should have the option in a 2nd referendum to consider each of the potential options? 1. Stay 2. Leave - May’s Deal 2. Leave - WTO 3. Leave - Stay in Single Market, but leave Customs Union (Norway) 4. Leave - Leave Single Market, but agree Customs Union (Turkey) 5. Leave - Leave the Single Markey & Customs Union, but negotiate a bilateral deal (Switz/Canada) The one with the most votes wins
One option for remaining and four different options for leaving. Talk about divide and conquer! No way!!"If that was the question then remain would have to outnumber all the leave options put together. If all the leave options combined was more than remain then the highest individual leave option should then win. | |||
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"Given that the Leave vote in 2016 was essentially a protest vote, surely we should have the option in a 2nd referendum to consider each of the potential options? 1. Stay 2. Leave - May’s Deal 2. Leave - WTO 3. Leave - Stay in Single Market, but leave Customs Union (Norway) 4. Leave - Leave Single Market, but agree Customs Union (Turkey) 5. Leave - Leave the Single Markey & Customs Union, but negotiate a bilateral deal (Switz/Canada) The one with the most votes wins
One option for remaining and four different options for leaving. Talk about divide and conquer! No way!!"Remaining is easy, but which Leave would actually get the votes? This is why it is so difficult for MPs to reach a conclusion. No all Leavers will agree with any of the options, so we need to have a Single Transferable Vote to allow the least disliked one to be chosen. I would rather this was done by the voting population rather than MPs as then we own the outcome, as opposed to being able to blame someone else. | |||
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"Given that the Leave vote in 2016 was essentially a protest vote, surely we should have the option in a 2nd referendum to consider each of the potential options? 1. Stay 2. Leave - May’s Deal 2. Leave - WTO 3. Leave - Stay in Single Market, but leave Customs Union (Norway) 4. Leave - Leave Single Market, but agree Customs Union (Turkey) 5. Leave - Leave the Single Markey & Customs Union, but negotiate a bilateral deal (Switz/Canada) The one with the most votes wins
One option for remaining and four different options for leaving. Talk about divide and conquer! No way!!
If that was the question then remain would have to outnumber all the leave options put together.
If all the leave options combined was more than remain then the highest individual leave option should then win. "So if all the leave options put together was more than remain, then they would be fragmented in order for remain to win. Pft.. | |||
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"Given that the Leave vote in 2016 was essentially a protest vote, surely we should have the option in a 2nd referendum to consider each of the potential options? 1. Stay 2. Leave - May’s Deal 2. Leave - WTO 3. Leave - Stay in Single Market, but leave Customs Union (Norway) 4. Leave - Leave Single Market, but agree Customs Union (Turkey) 5. Leave - Leave the Single Markey & Customs Union, but negotiate a bilateral deal (Switz/Canada) The one with the most votes wins
One option for remaining and four different options for leaving. Talk about divide and conquer! No way!!
If that was the question then remain would have to outnumber all the leave options put together.
If all the leave options combined was more than remain then the highest individual leave option should then win.
So if all the leave options put together was more than remain, then they would be fragmented in order for remain to win. Pft.."Nope. The way it works is you have (for example) 5 Leave and 1 Remain Option. Each voter gets to rank by preference ( they can use 1 vote, or score all 6), then the one with the least preference votes gets excluded and then 2nd preferences are used to establish again which is the least preferred and it is excluded, etc. It has been used in NI and Scottish elections, it is more complex, but it does mean that whatever wins was the most popular/least disliked alternative. It would take more time to count, but the result would be the best fit for Britain. We need to try something to get out of this mess, nobody seems to agree on anything, so give us the options and let us choose. It is fair to have a Stay option on the ballot as some Leavers might see Stay as a better preference than Leave on WTO. I’d also push for mandatory voting, but thats negotiable | |||
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"Given that the Leave vote in 2016 was essentially a protest vote, surely we should have the option in a 2nd referendum to consider each of the potential options? 1. Stay 2. Leave - May’s Deal 2. Leave - WTO 3. Leave - Stay in Single Market, but leave Customs Union (Norway) 4. Leave - Leave Single Market, but agree Customs Union (Turkey) 5. Leave - Leave the Single Markey & Customs Union, but negotiate a bilateral deal (Switz/Canada) The one with the most votes wins
One option for remaining and four different options for leaving. Talk about divide and conquer! No way!!
Remaining is easy, but which Leave would actually get the votes? This is why it is so difficult for MPs to reach a conclusion. No all Leavers will agree with any of the options, so we need to have a Single Transferable Vote to allow the least disliked one to be chosen. I would rather this was done by the voting population rather than MPs as then we own the outcome, as opposed to being able to blame someone else."Lol, I thought the voters were too stupid to understand such things! As for your voting options it's the old "heads you win tales I lose" game, 5 options to split the leave vote and one to unite remain, you sure you aren't a snake oil salesman!? | |||
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"European elections 2019: Michael Heseltine says he won’t ‘betray my country’ by voting Tory if candidate is a Brexiteer 'Do I betray my country or my party? That becomes a simple choice with a simple answer' If only more Labour supporting Remainers would do the same! " Like a messy divorce the kids are wondering ‘why doesn’t mom and dad just make up?, then the parents say its more complex then that. In the end, no one will get what they want, we will have custody of wales, and we will see northern ireland on the weekends, scotland, would have already left home and is applying to adopted by the eu. The friends of england, will lend a sympathetic ear about all their woes over a glass of wine, wondering where it all went wrong. But by then they are living in rented accommodation, provided our chinese government overlords, who have been listening on the their 5G mobile network. In the meantime, the eu have moved on, they are currently dating a hot country, which is loaded and apparently the best sex they ever had. They have already taken all england’s friends and are having dinner parties, safe in the knowledge that they got the better part of the divorce. In the end though, whilst living on cold baked beans and welfare, england will repeat the mantra, we’ve taken control back, we can do what we want to do, whilst wondering if it going to be another night of prosecco and calling the eu up to say they miss them, only to hang up at the last minute. It could be worse. | |||
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"European elections 2019: Michael Heseltine says he won’t ‘betray my country’ by voting Tory if candidate is a Brexiteer 'Do I betray my country or my party? That becomes a simple choice with a simple answer' If only more Labour supporting Remainers would do the same! Like a messy divorce the kids are wondering ‘why doesn’t mom and dad just make up?, then the parents say its more complex then that. In the end, no one will get what they want, we will have custody of wales, and we will see northern ireland on the weekends, scotland, would have already left home and is applying to adopted by the eu. The friends of england, will lend a sympathetic ear about all their woes over a glass of wine, wondering where it all went wrong. But by then they are living in rented accommodation, provided our chinese government overlords, who have been listening on the their 5G mobile network. In the meantime, the eu have moved on, they are currently dating a hot country, which is loaded and apparently the best sex they ever had. They have already taken all england’s friends and are having dinner parties, safe in the knowledge that they got the better part of the divorce. In the end though, whilst living on cold baked beans and welfare, england will repeat the mantra, we’ve taken control back, we can do what we want to do, whilst wondering if it going to be another night of prosecco and calling the eu up to say they miss them, only to hang up at the last minute. It could be worse. " Yes we will be thinking something along the lines of "wish you were here, glad you aren't"! | |||
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"If a 3rd referendum is called, and it's looking more likely every day, it will have two options on it. Those two options will be 1) Remain 2) Leave with whatever deal parliament agrees The deal on offer will be something very like May's current deal. No deal will not be on offer because no deal doesn't actually exist. Every form of Leave involves a deal, even WTO Leave as we need the EU, along with all other members of the WTO, to agree our trading schedule and terms of trade. " More shite from the pretend scouser | |||
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"Two ballot papers, two separate votes: A) Leave or Remain B) With a deal or without a deal. B only comes into effect if a majority say Leave. " Ref option A - thought we had already a majority that voted to leave or did I miss something | |||
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"Two ballot papers, two separate votes: A) Leave or Remain B) With a deal or without a deal. B only comes into effect if a majority say Leave. Ref option A - thought we had already a majority that voted to leave or did I miss something " The last two years and people complaining that May's deal/a CU/no deal was not the type of Brexit they voted for. If you voted leave you voted for any type of leave. If that's not what the majority understood they were voting for then it kinda undermines the vote. | |||
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"Regardless what remoaners think it was a in or out vote. Yes people leave for different reasons but they voted to leave. I bet many remoaners voted remain for different reasons. For years we tried to negotiate with the EU to make things more fairer, every single time they put up a middle finger and wouldn’t even listen. Simple fact is the people of this country voted to leave the European Union in the biggest democratic mandate in British history. The government and parliament have betrayed the British public. You all claim democracy and how it is important yet you undermine and betray the vote of the people. A system that overrules the will of the people and disregards the law is neither democratic, nor legitimate. If we don’t leave or leave in name only, I wouldn’t be shocked if there is riots and mass uproar against parliament. This is not fear mongering, just my opinion. We should have just left on the 29th of March without a deal. The EU is worried that we will leave without a deal and will try anything to stop it. Leave first then try to strike a deal. I’m all for another referendum but only once we have honoured the result of the 2016 referendum, left the EU and it is atleast 10 years after the date we leave." Cameron negotiated. It may no it have been all that was wanted. But they didn't ignore. Leave in name only sounds like it involves leaving. How is that distregatding the will of the people when it is delivering on the question poswd to the people. The EU haven't blinked. It's stopled us from leaving with no deal. We've gone back cap on hand twice now. They could have forced us about. But that would have been kinda ironic. | |||
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"Of you voted leave you voted for what Theresa May or the government of the day negotiates for you. If you voted remain, you voted for the situation as it is with changes or no changes dependent on the rules as they exist. Does anyone actually disagree with that?" So if you voted for remain, for the situation as it is....what if that situation changes? After all, the EU is constantly 'evolving', so how far does it have to change to not be acceptable any more to remainers? | |||
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"Of you voted leave you voted for what Theresa May or the government of the day negotiates for you. If you voted remain, you voted for the situation as it is with changes or no changes dependent on the rules as they exist. Does anyone actually disagree with that? So if you voted for remain, for the situation as it is....what if that situation changes? After all, the EU is constantly 'evolving', so how far does it have to change to not be acceptable any more to remainers? " For me having to join the Euro but we're opted out of that anyway and further tax harmonisation or tax taken out of our hands would be the tipping point. | |||
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"Of you voted leave you voted for what Theresa May or the government of the day negotiates for you. If you voted remain, you voted for the situation as it is with changes or no changes dependent on the rules as they exist. Does anyone actually disagree with that? So if you voted for remain, for the situation as it is....what if that situation changes? After all, the EU is constantly 'evolving', so how far does it have to change to not be acceptable any more to remainers? For me having to join the Euro but we're opted out of that anyway and further tax harmonisation or tax taken out of our hands would be the tipping point. " What if we decide to take the Euro? What about further removal of vetos to QMV? An EU army? | |||
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"Of you voted leave you voted for what Theresa May or the government of the day negotiates for you. If you voted remain, you voted for the situation as it is with changes or no changes dependent on the rules as they exist. Does anyone actually disagree with that? So if you voted for remain, for the situation as it is....what if that situation changes? After all, the EU is constantly 'evolving', so how far does it have to change to not be acceptable any more to remainers? For me having to join the Euro but we're opted out of that anyway and further tax harmonisation or tax taken out of our hands would be the tipping point. What if we decide to take the Euro? What about further removal of vetos to QMV? An EU army?" The point was if you voted remain it didnt come with any preconditions. It was remain as is. But yes its accepted the eu will change. And maybe in ways we really don't like. So here's an idea. We could leave then. After all, we do have opt outs in many areas. And so to get to where you are worried lots of things have to change. For those who use the EU army etc as a reason to leave today, that is a much an argument based on fear as any 'project fear' argument. | |||
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"Of you voted leave you voted for what Theresa May or the government of the day negotiates for you. If you voted remain, you voted for the situation as it is with changes or no changes dependent on the rules as they exist. Does anyone actually disagree with that? So if you voted for remain, for the situation as it is....what if that situation changes? After all, the EU is constantly 'evolving', so how far does it have to change to not be acceptable any more to remainers? For me having to join the Euro but we're opted out of that anyway and further tax harmonisation or tax taken out of our hands would be the tipping point. What if we decide to take the Euro? What about further removal of vetos to QMV? An EU army? The point was if you voted remain it didnt come with any preconditions. It was remain as is. But yes its accepted the eu will change. And maybe in ways we really don't like. So here's an idea. We could leave then. After all, we do have opt outs in many areas. And so to get to where you are worried lots of things have to change. For those who use the EU army etc as a reason to leave today, that is a much an argument based on fear as any 'project fear' argument. " So we can leave when it gets to the point where you don't like it? But that point will be different to different people.... Here's a thought - 17.4 Million people had already reached that point.... | |||
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"Of you voted leave you voted for what Theresa May or the government of the day negotiates for you. If you voted remain, you voted for the situation as it is with changes or no changes dependent on the rules as they exist. Does anyone actually disagree with that? So if you voted for remain, for the situation as it is....what if that situation changes? After all, the EU is constantly 'evolving', so how far does it have to change to not be acceptable any more to remainers? For me having to join the Euro but we're opted out of that anyway and further tax harmonisation or tax taken out of our hands would be the tipping point. What if we decide to take the Euro? What about further removal of vetos to QMV? An EU army? The point was if you voted remain it didnt come with any preconditions. It was remain as is. But yes its accepted the eu will change. And maybe in ways we really don't like. So here's an idea. We could leave then. After all, we do have opt outs in many areas. And so to get to where you are worried lots of things have to change. For those who use the EU army etc as a reason to leave today, that is a much an argument based on fear as any 'project fear' argument. So we can leave when it gets to the point where you don't like it? But that point will be different to different people.... Here's a thought - 17.4 Million people had already reached that point...." if they don't like where it is now, fine. If they don't like where it may get to then it seems odd. Its like leaving a relationship now because someone could cheat. Leave when it happens. | |||
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"Of you voted leave you voted for what Theresa May or the government of the day negotiates for you. If you voted remain, you voted for the situation as it is with changes or no changes dependent on the rules as they exist. Does anyone actually disagree with that? So if you voted for remain, for the situation as it is....what if that situation changes? After all, the EU is constantly 'evolving', so how far does it have to change to not be acceptable any more to remainers? " So does this mean that it is not the government of the day that defines what Brexit actually means? Who does then? Are you also saying that voting to remain somehow changes the UK relationship with the EU compared to before the vote? What if we as the UK decide to join the USA as one of its states? I would not wish to see the UK join the Euro or a standing army under EU control. However, Sterling has been pinned to the gold standard in the past and is a part of NATO. My opinion could change because circumstances change. Perhaps if the USA becomes an apartheid nation with a desire for world domination and China starts to unilaterally share it's wealth with the world my position on who I'd be more inclined to be allied with might change. What if the EU decided that any internal movement of workers also attracted a sum of money for spending on the host country's infrastructure, health and education? What of we actually enforced the immigration rules that we were allowed to on EU and non EU immigrants? Will your opinion remain fixed no matter what? | |||
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"Of you voted leave you voted for what Theresa May or the government of the day negotiates for you. If you voted remain, you voted for the situation as it is with changes or no changes dependent on the rules as they exist. Does anyone actually disagree with that? So if you voted for remain, for the situation as it is....what if that situation changes? After all, the EU is constantly 'evolving', so how far does it have to change to not be acceptable any more to remainers? For me having to join the Euro but we're opted out of that anyway and further tax harmonisation or tax taken out of our hands would be the tipping point. What if we decide to take the Euro? What about further removal of vetos to QMV? An EU army?" If the government decided to take the Euro then that's what they decided to do. Removal of vetos would require us to agree to it. An EU Army could be a very good idea. | |||
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