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"going to put this here rather than in politics.... so if you have a problem with this.. tough! okay... hate crime laws cover race, religion and sexuality... after everything that has happened with jess phillips at the moment (look it up if you dont know) should Misogyny be added to the hate crime list?" I like Jess Phillips MP, one of the few socialists that I could listen to. | |||
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"going to put this here rather than in politics.... so if you have a problem with this.. tough! okay... hate crime laws cover race, religion and sexuality... after everything that has happened with jess phillips at the moment (look it up if you dont know) should Misogyny be added to the hate crime list?" I think it should align with each of the protected characteristics under Equality Act. Although intersex should also be first added under the definition of sex in the act too, as they have done in Jersey. | |||
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"i just think how you can threaten someone with in effect sexual assault or worse and yet it not be looked at as a crime..... its just madness..... and then to compound things a political party actually sticking up for him" Trump era. | |||
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"Surely threatening to r.pe someone would come under harassment laws?" He's not actually "threatened" though from what I can see - more used what he considers jokey comments to put her down - now they're certainly not jokey but being totally honest (much as I'd like to throw away the key on someone that thinks like that) I'm not sure his comments could be considered "threats" either | |||
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"Surely threatening to r.pe someone would come under harassment laws? He's not actually "threatened" though from what I can see - more used what he considers jokey comments to put her down - now they're certainly not jokey but being totally honest (much as I'd like to throw away the key on someone that thinks like that) I'm not sure his comments could be considered "threats" either" I agree he hasn't actually threatened her with it But whatever his comments are he is a vile pig and the political party he represents should get rid of him as a point of principal. Let's face it though they accepted nigel farage who is a sexist, racist bigot and the fact that farage is friends with trump the other world famous biggot clearly sends a message as to what the ukip party stands for and shame on those who voted for them and continue to vote for them Rant over, can you tell I'm annoyed?  | |||
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"Surely threatening to r.pe someone would come under harassment laws? He's not actually "threatened" though from what I can see - more used what he considers jokey comments to put her down - now they're certainly not jokey but being totally honest (much as I'd like to throw away the key on someone that thinks like that) I'm not sure his comments could be considered "threats" either I agree he hasn't actually threatened her with it But whatever his comments are he is a vile pig and the political party he represents should get rid of him as a point of principal. Let's face it though they accepted nigel farage who is a sexist, racist bigot and the fact that farage is friends with trump the other world famous biggot clearly sends a message as to what the ukip party stands for and shame on those who voted for them and continue to vote for them Rant over, can you tell I'm annoyed? "You'll get no argument from me on ANY of that - my point was merely in response to the suggestion he could be dealt with under a specific law for "threatening" to do something. I find it disgusting that his own party are refusing to censure him and as you say it speaks volumes about their true values. | |||
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"Surely threatening to r.pe someone would come under harassment laws? He's not actually "threatened" though from what I can see - more used what he considers jokey comments to put her down - now they're certainly not jokey but being totally honest (much as I'd like to throw away the key on someone that thinks like that) I'm not sure his comments could be considered "threats" either I agree he hasn't actually threatened her with it But whatever his comments are he is a vile pig and the political party he represents should get rid of him as a point of principal. Let's face it though they accepted nigel farage who is a sexist, racist bigot and the fact that farage is friends with trump the other world famous biggot clearly sends a message as to what the ukip party stands for and shame on those who voted for them and continue to vote for them Rant over, can you tell I'm annoyed?
You'll get no argument from me on ANY of that - my point was merely in response to the suggestion he could be dealt with under a specific law for "threatening" to do something.
I find it disgusting that his own party are refusing to censure him and as you say it speaks volumes about their true values."Lol no I know you agree with me, but I also agree with you that after reading his comments he doesn't actually threaten her at all, what he does is uses a vile subject as a put down to a female. Disgraceful behaviour he should be sacked then bundled into a van and brought to my house to reap my wrath ?? ?? ?? | |||
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"It's a load of thought crime nonsense dreamt up and peddled as a narrative by an ever repressive authoritarian state and it's now obvious henchmen mainstream media." Thats a very silly thing to say! | |||
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"It's a load of thought crime nonsense dreamt up and peddled as a narrative by an ever repressive authoritarian state and it's now obvious henchmen mainstream media." WTF?! How is saying you wouldn't even r*pe someone, by way of trying to insult them, and then making it worse with a follow up statement that if pressured he might, and saying it publically a "thought crime"?! The guy broadcast it on his YouTube channel for potentially millions to see!! He's tried to defend it as a joke which makes it even worse and this is a person standing to be elected to represent a constituency?!
Sorry but no matter how you try and dress it up, it's neither "thought crime" or "nonsense" - it is however reprehensible and indefensible!! | |||
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"It's a load of thought crime nonsense dreamt up and peddled as a narrative by an ever repressive authoritarian state and it's now obvious henchmen mainstream media." With respect (which means it isn't) that's utter bollox  | |||
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"Personally I detest litter droppers. Especially those mac d bags and stuff. That's a hate crime against the countryside and planet. Try reporting it though and you get nowhere fast! The world is in a topsy Turvey way, and only certain sections of society count and shout the loudest. " Well you could always get yourself an orange jumpsuit and yellow vest and go out and make the world a better place! | |||
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"going to put this here rather than in politics.... so if you have a problem with this.. tough! okay... hate crime laws cover race, religion and sexuality... after everything that has happened with jess phillips at the moment (look it up if you dont know) should Misogyny be added to the hate crime list?" No it is bloody nonesense | |||
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"going to put this here rather than in politics.... so if you have a problem with this.. tough! okay... hate crime laws cover race, religion and sexuality... after everything that has happened with jess phillips at the moment (look it up if you dont know) should Misogyny be added to the hate crime list?No it is bloody nonesense" How is it 'nonsense' for someone to be able to say the vile things he has said and be able to do so without fear of repercussions? | |||
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"On the plus side, UKIP are merrily nailing the lid on their own coffin. Haven't all their female MEPs quit over this?" I hope so! | |||
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"It's a load of thought crime nonsense dreamt up and peddled as a narrative by an ever repressive authoritarian state and it's now obvious henchmen mainstream media. With respect (which means it isn't) that's utter bollox "Very well put  | |||
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"going to put this here rather than in politics.... so if you have a problem with this.. tough! okay... hate crime laws cover race, religion and sexuality... after everything that has happened with jess phillips at the moment (look it up if you dont know) should Misogyny be added to the hate crime list? No it is bloody nonesense" I think it is an interesting standpoint that you want something that protects you as a TV/TS (LGBTQ) denied to someone else who would happen to be a straight white female........ | |||
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"going to put this here rather than in politics.... so if you have a problem with this.. tough! okay... hate crime laws cover race, religion and sexuality... after everything that has happened with jess phillips at the moment (look it up if you dont know) should Misogyny be added to the hate crime list? No it is bloody nonesense I think it is an interesting standpoint that you want something that protects you as a TV/TS (LGBTQ) denied to someone else who would happen to be a straight white female........" can I just ask Fabio I’m not having a pop at you but do you feel that Asian grooming gangs that target young white british girls are also a hate crime or just sex crimes it’s just that there’s been a few posts on here about them but iv never seen you comment on them ? | |||
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"going to put this here rather than in politics.... so if you have a problem with this.. tough! okay... hate crime laws cover race, religion and sexuality... after everything that has happened with jess phillips at the moment (look it up if you dont know) should Misogyny be added to the hate crime list? No it is bloody nonesense I think it is an interesting standpoint that you want something that protects you as a TV/TS (LGBTQ) denied to someone else who would happen to be a straight white female........can I just ask Fabio I’m not having a pop at you but do you feel that Asian grooming gangs that target young white british girls are also a hate crime or just sex crimes it’s just that there’s been a few posts on here about them but iv never seen you comment on them ?" Depends on if they were targeted because they were white, or because they were vulnerable. The Yorkshire ripper targeted prostitutes, not because they were prostitutes but because they were more vulnerable | |||
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"It’s not petty at all I wasn’t asking you mate " It comes across as petty & an attempt at point scoring on what is a very important subject - you don’t come over well... | |||
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"It’s not petty at all I wasn’t asking you mate It comes across as petty & an attempt at point scoring on what is a very important subject - you don’t come over well..." I know it’s an important subject mate I was just wondering why he started a thread about this but not even a post on the other important subject he may well of it’s just iv never seen one that’s why I asked I wasn’t having a pop at the guy iv met him a few times at our local club he’s one of the nicest decent guys you could come across | |||
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"It’s not petty at all I wasn’t asking you mate It comes across as petty & an attempt at point scoring on what is a very important subject - you don’t come over well... I know it’s an important subject mate I was just wondering why he started a thread about this but not even a post on the other important subject he may well of it’s just iv never seen one that’s why I asked I wasn’t having a pop at the guy iv met him a few times at our local club he’s one of the nicest decent guys you could come across " Eh? Fabio is?! ?.. Feck offff! | |||
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"I heard someone being called 'a specky twat'. I reported it as a hate crime because the specky twat in question was wearing sunglasses....fair cop? And this one time....at band camp...a guy got called a baldy bastard....again i did my civic duty and called 999.... Then another time at the pub...my mate was called a d*unken shit talker....and guess what?! He was too d*unk to be offended so i took the slung mud on his behalf and called the SAS to come and take the muther out! All easily avoided hate crime. Oh and be careful what you say about donald trump's wig....he sees any offensive comments and holy shit you'll be for guantanimo bay or something." There's a difference between an insult and bigotry. There is not systematic discrimination and violence against bald or speccy or wigwearing people. If your understanding of hate crimes is that they only equate to an insult and nothing more, I'd suggest you do some reading and understand some of the history of racism, sexism, homophobia and so forth. | |||
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"I heard someone being called 'a specky twat'. I reported it as a hate crime because the specky twat in question was wearing sunglasses....fair cop? And this one time....at band camp...a guy got called a baldy bastard....again i did my civic duty and called 999.... Then another time at the pub...my mate was called a d*unken shit talker....and guess what?! He was too d*unk to be offended so i took the slung mud on his behalf and called the SAS to come and take the muther out! All easily avoided hate crime. Oh and be careful what you say about donald trump's wig....he sees any offensive comments and holy shit you'll be for guantanimo bay or something. There's a difference between an insult and bigotry. There is not systematic discrimination and violence against bald or speccy or wigwearing people. If your understanding of hate crimes is that they only equate to an insult and nothing more, I'd suggest you do some reading and understand some of the history of racism, sexism, homophobia and so forth. " Patronising is now a hate crime! Also...your asumption that i am capable of reading is a hate crime towards my dyslexia. I'm very offended by your remarks and am now in the process of phoning the cops to have you taken away for hate crimes. I suggest that you spend your time in prison to reflect on how your thoughts and words are doing real damage to those less fortunate than yourself. | |||
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"I heard someone being called 'a specky twat'. I reported it as a hate crime because the specky twat in question was wearing sunglasses....fair cop? And this one time....at band camp...a guy got called a baldy bastard....again i did my civic duty and called 999.... Then another time at the pub...my mate was called a d*unken shit talker....and guess what?! He was too d*unk to be offended so i took the slung mud on his behalf and called the SAS to come and take the muther out! All easily avoided hate crime. Oh and be careful what you say about donald trump's wig....he sees any offensive comments and holy shit you'll be for guantanimo bay or something. There's a difference between an insult and bigotry. There is not systematic discrimination and violence against bald or speccy or wigwearing people. If your understanding of hate crimes is that they only equate to an insult and nothing more, I'd suggest you do some reading and understand some of the history of racism, sexism, homophobia and so forth. " Well said. | |||
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"It’s not petty at all I wasn’t asking you mate It comes across as petty & an attempt at point scoring on what is a very important subject - you don’t come over well... I know it’s an important subject mate I was just wondering why he started a thread about this but not even a post on the other important subject he may well of it’s just iv never seen one that’s why I asked I wasn’t having a pop at the guy iv met him a few times at our local club he’s one of the nicest decent guys you could come across " Fair enough, but did you raise the issue yourself anywhere? | |||
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"You have to ask yourself whether a candidate who is seeking to represent all is actually up to doing exactly that? " Am I the only one wondering what you are referring to? | |||
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"It's a load of thought crime nonsense dreamt up and peddled as a narrative by an ever repressive authoritarian state and it's now obvious henchmen mainstream media." Really? I think you need to re-calibrate your moral compass | |||
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"You have to ask yourself whether a candidate who is seeking to represent all is actually up to doing exactly that? Am I the only one wondering what you are referring to?" The "gentleman" who said that he wouldn't even contemplate carrying out a sexual act on Jess Phillips.....standing as a candidate. I thought that was the thread....making Misogyny a hate crime or not. | |||
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"Unfortunately OP, the country we live in does not, have significant punishment to fit the crime, all hate crime, be it gender, race, religion, politics, should be punished severely but, alas out government hasn't the balls to do so. " That's not true. Certainly in Scotland, if not England, judges can impose additional sentences for the hate element of a crime. Hate crime is when an offence is aggravated by prejudice against a particular characteristic. It does not exist by itself - it is the aggravating feature of an ordinary offence. So, someone can be charged with assault and might get 3 months in jail. If the assault was motivated by, say, homophobia, the offence is aggravated and the judge can add additional time to the sentence. The judge is required to set out the basic sentence and the additional penalty being applied for the hate element. | |||
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"going to put this here rather than in politics.... so if you have a problem with this.. tough! okay... hate crime laws cover race, religion and sexuality... after everything that has happened with jess phillips at the moment (look it up if you dont know) should Misogyny be added to the hate crime list?" It depends. I hate misogynists, but where I live their are plenty of women who are real man haters, should the same laws apply to them? If so then yes, but if it is only going to work one way, then I’d have to say no. The law really does need updating where domestic abuse is concerned, everybody should have the right to feel safe at home... | |||
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"My take on it is that this candidate lives in his you tube bubble thinking that he is a cool kind of bloke and that its ok to be outrageous because people like frankie boyle can do it and get away with it. The trouble is he doesn’t get that Frankie’s humour is deeply thought out and nuanced whereas his comments just came across as those of an ignorant bigoted twat. No wonder UKIP have got his back! Also there is a whole other level of problems with gamers on here whose interactions with each other place them in a parallel society which they seem to think makes it ok to spout shit because they see themselves as superior in some deluded way. "Who are you on about, I've looked at this thread and cant see who you are referring to ?? | |||
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"My take on it is that this candidate lives in his you tube bubble thinking that he is a cool kind of bloke and that its ok to be outrageous because people like frankie boyle can do it and get away with it. The trouble is he doesn’t get that Frankie’s humour is deeply thought out and nuanced whereas his comments just came across as those of an ignorant bigoted twat. No wonder UKIP have got his back! Also there is a whole other level of problems with gamers on here whose interactions with each other place them in a parallel society which they seem to think makes it ok to spout shit because they see themselves as superior in some deluded way. Who are you on about, I've looked at this thread and cant see who you are referring to ??"The UKIP candidate who spouted this R*** comment about Jess Philips, who a particular poster on here defended avidly on another thread because he thought the guy was cool and well known in gaming circles with his own you tube channel. I said that I thought the UKIP guy was a wanker and the poster thought I was referring to him so I ended up on the naughty step for five days which was annoying. I hope that explains my comment fully. | |||
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"going to put this here rather than in politics.... so if you have a problem with this.. tough! okay... hate crime laws cover race, religion and sexuality... after everything that has happened with jess phillips at the moment (look it up if you dont know) should Misogyny be added to the hate crime list? It depends. I hate misogynists, but where I live their are plenty of women who are real man haters, should the same laws apply to them? If so then yes, but if it is only going to work one way, then I’d have to say no. The law really does need updating where domestic abuse is concerned, everybody should have the right to feel safe at home..." The laws on domestic violence do apply to both sexes | |||
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"going to put this here rather than in politics.... so if you have a problem with this.. tough! okay... hate crime laws cover race, religion and sexuality... after everything that has happened with jess phillips at the moment (look it up if you dont know) should Misogyny be added to the hate crime list? It depends. I hate misogynists, but where I live their are plenty of women who are real man haters, should the same laws apply to them? If so then yes, but if it is only going to work one way, then I’d have to say no. The law really does need updating where domestic abuse is concerned, everybody should have the right to feel safe at home... The laws on domestic violence do apply to both sexes" Yes I know that, but they are still not tough enough on either. It is the OTs question to which I put that. If new hate laws against misogyny were introduced, then they would only apply to hatred by some, quite frankly pathetic men. But there are plenty of women who hate men and are just as insulting and abusive. We can’t have one law for some and another for the rest. Surely not, not in 21st century Britain??  | |||
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"My take on it is that this candidate lives in his you tube bubble thinking that he is a cool kind of bloke and that its ok to be outrageous because people like frankie boyle can do it and get away with it. The trouble is he doesn’t get that Frankie’s humour is deeply thought out and nuanced whereas his comments just came across as those of an ignorant bigoted twat. No wonder UKIP have got his back! Also there is a whole other level of problems with gamers on here whose interactions with each other place them in a parallel society which they seem to think makes it ok to spout shit because they see themselves as superior in some deluded way. Who are you on about, I've looked at this thread and cant see who you are referring to ??
The UKIP candidate who spouted this R*** comment about Jess Philips, who a particular poster on here defended avidly on another thread because he thought the guy was cool and well known in gaming circles with his own you tube channel. I said that I thought the UKIP guy was a wanker and the poster thought I was referring to him so I ended up on the naughty step for five days which was annoying. I hope that explains my comment fully. "Yeah that's cool , I understand now. I know who you mean . | |||
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"going to put this here rather than in politics.... so if you have a problem with this.. tough! okay... hate crime laws cover race, religion and sexuality... after everything that has happened with jess phillips at the moment (look it up if you dont know) should Misogyny be added to the hate crime list? It depends. I hate misogynists, but where I live their are plenty of women who are real man haters, should the same laws apply to them? If so then yes, but if it is only going to work one way, then I’d have to say no. The law really does need updating where domestic abuse is concerned, everybody should have the right to feel safe at home... The laws on domestic violence do apply to both sexes Yes I know that, but they are still not tough enough on either. It is the OTs question to which I put that. If new hate laws against misogyny were introduced, then they would only apply to hatred by some, quite frankly pathetic men. But there are plenty of women who hate men and are just as insulting and abusive. We can’t have one law for some and another for the rest. Surely not, not in 21st century Britain?? "There is a call by MP’s and senior police officers, amonst other organisations, to make misogyny a hate crime. The overwhelming majority of hate crimes where gender is a determining factor, are hate crimes against women. Nottinghamshire police force has already started recording misogyny hate crimes based on their on data and support from residents. To say that if you make misogyny a hate crime you ignore female led abuse of men, fails to recognise the volume of abuse, harrasment and violence women and young girls face every day just going about their daily lives. Ask my two teenage daughters why they won’t go for a run outside or in the park anymore. To equate men’s experience of misandry with women’s experience of misogny is wrong on so many levels. | |||
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"So agree with you - vast majority of crime, violence, sexual assault is done by men to women. By all means have an equal law, just don’t expect to have equal prosecution - actually, any prosecution would be good! "using Sara's definition I wonder how many sexual abuse crimes are aggrevated further due to hate of women. The hate element is an extra on the underlying crime. Otherwuse all crim is ahte crime and the term becomes tautilogically redundant | |||
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" To say that if you make misogyny a hate crime you ignore female led abuse of men, fails to recognise the volume of abuse, harrasment and violence women and young girls face every day just going about their daily lives. Ask my two teenage daughters why they won’t go for a run outside or in the park anymore. " I'm a woman. I'm 43. I've never experienced ANY abuse violence or harassment due to my gender and i work in a very male dominated job. | |||
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In conclusion- it's a bad joke and not misogyny Or you disagree and say that both genders are not equal ? | |||
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"The answer to OP's question is no. He joked about r*pe, which should not be considered as misogyny, as nowadays both genders are equal and thus a woman can r*pe a man
In conclusion- it's a bad joke and not misogyny Or you disagree and say that both genders are not equal ? "Flawed argument, just because women can, doesn’t mean they do. 99% is done by men, perhaps now you can see why the vile twat deserves to be called out for this? | |||
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"I heard someone being called 'a specky twat'. I reported it as a hate crime because the specky twat in question was wearing sunglasses....fair cop? And this one time....at band camp...a guy got called a baldy bastard....again i did my civic duty and called 999.... Then another time at the pub...my mate was called a d*unken shit talker....and guess what?! He was too d*unk to be offended so i took the slung mud on his behalf and called the SAS to come and take the muther out! All easily avoided hate crime. Oh and be careful what you say about donald trump's wig....he sees any offensive comments and holy shit you'll be for guantanimo bay or something. There's a difference between an insult and bigotry. There is not systematic discrimination and violence against bald or speccy or wigwearing people. If your understanding of hate crimes is that they only equate to an insult and nothing more, I'd suggest you do some reading and understand some of the history of racism, sexism, homophobia and so forth. " Hurrah at last somebody who understands hate crime and what it actually is. | |||
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"You have to ask yourself whether a candidate who is seeking to represent all is actually up to doing exactly that? " Exactly it's as easy a question as this does he represent all of Ukip? Sadly I think given their history of bigotry he might! Can you tell I'm still angry about this? | |||
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"Gender is a protected characteristic in law. That means Male, female and everything in between. There are 7 protected characteristics, I think. The legal playing field is already there to prosecute offences aggravated by gender. I just do not think it has ever been tested properly." There are nine protected characteristics but you make a very valid point, so it is hate crime not a personal insult or a joke. | |||
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"First, it has to be a crime of itself. Malicious communication catches anything posted to the internet. Once the crime is established, it becomes a hate crime when shown to be motivated by hatred towards a particular characteristic. That is difficult in this case. The UKIP geezer will say he is motivated by hatred of her politics. That is not a protected characteristic. But a prosecution could argue it is her gender that is being weaponised, not her politics. " He is patently misogynistic. UKIP are even bigger idiots than you imagine. | |||
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"going to put this here rather than in politics.... so if you have a problem with this.. tough! okay... hate crime laws cover race, religion and sexuality... after everything that has happened with jess phillips at the moment (look it up if you dont know) should Misogyny be added to the hate crime list? It depends. I hate misogynists, but where I live their are plenty of women who are real man haters, should the same laws apply to them? If so then yes, but if it is only going to work one way, then I’d have to say no. The law really does need updating where domestic abuse is concerned, everybody should have the right to feel safe at home... The laws on domestic violence do apply to both sexes Yes I know that, but they are still not tough enough on either. It is the OTs question to which I put that. If new hate laws against misogyny were introduced, then they would only apply to hatred by some, quite frankly pathetic men. But there are plenty of women who hate men and are just as insulting and abusive. We can’t have one law for some and another for the rest. Surely not, not in 21st century Britain??
There is a call by MP’s and senior police officers, amonst other organisations, to make misogyny a hate crime. The overwhelming majority of hate crimes where gender is a determining factor, are hate crimes against women. Nottinghamshire police force has already started recording misogyny hate crimes based on their on data and support from residents.
To say that if you make misogyny a hate crime you ignore female led abuse of men, fails to recognise the volume of abuse, harrasment and violence women and young girls face every day just going about their daily lives. Ask my two teenage daughters why they won’t go for a run outside or in the park anymore.
To equate men’s experience of misandry with women’s experience of misogny is wrong on so many levels.
"In my childhood I lived with my mother and siblings in a women’s aid refuge. I had experienced domestic violence, even getting punched by her boyfriend when I tried to stop him beating her up. I saw the women when they arrived, and as a twelve year old had to understand that had I been 18, I wouldn’t have been allowed to even enter the building. Indeed I was constantly being told that all men are the same and they are all bad. The only good thing about the place, apart from escaping the violence, was that the council housed us after 7 months. | |||
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