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"Vox will make great gains ...another Spain is Spain party ...the Spanish want to be Spanish not eu ....sounds familiar to me" Vox is pro EU actually, but dont let the facts get in the way whatever you do ![]() | |||
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"Exit polls suggesting the socialists will be largest party. Vox polling on 12 per cent appears to be doing a UKIP to the Conservatives." Vox won 24 seats. Their progress has been at the expense of other right wing parties rather than from winning against the left. | |||
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"The real worry is that a Country like Spain who post Franco turned their back on the Right now sees an unheard of rise in this sort of thing. A story that is being repeated across Europe. It’s not a fringe anymore and it’s becoming more popular each Election. " The people always get the politicians they deserve.You have nothing to fear. ![]() | |||
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"Vox will make great gains ...another Spain is Spain party ...the Spanish want to be Spanish not eu ....sounds familiar to me" You seem to gloat in the rise of Nationalism in Europe. Why is that? Do you not realise that Nationalism invariably leads to the reopening of old neighbourly disputes and all of the bad things that come from that? There is NOTHING to be happy about the rise of Nationalism in Europe. There are still many people harbouring both real and imagined grievances. | |||
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"Vox will make great gains ...another Spain is Spain party ...the Spanish want to be Spanish not eu ....sounds familiar to me You seem to gloat in the rise of Nationalism in Europe. Why is that? Do you not realise that Nationalism invariably leads to the reopening of old neighbourly disputes and all of the bad things that come from that? There is NOTHING to be happy about the rise of Nationalism in Europe. There are still many people harbouring both real and imagined grievances. " To be fair his analysis is completely wrong. He clearly hasn't the first idea what Vox stand for nor has he any clue about the actual outcome of the election. Vox is simply hoovering up votes from other right wing parties. | |||
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"Nationalism is no more likely to cause war and conflict than internationalism. Let’s face facts. It was the alliance of nations on either side that led to WW1, and the treatment of Germany after WW1 that led to WW2. Had we all just kept ourselves to ourselves in the first place, two entire generations might well have not been needlessly killed. Hitler would never have made chancellor either." If your going to quite facts, then you should do some research or know your History! WW1 started because Crown Prince Ferdinand of Austria was murdered by Serbs in Sarajevo! Serbia was backed by Russia and Austria by Germany! | |||
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"Vox will make great gains ...another Spain is Spain party ...the Spanish want to be Spanish not eu ....sounds familiar to me You seem to gloat in the rise of Nationalism in Europe. Why is that? Do you not realise that Nationalism invariably leads to the reopening of old neighbourly disputes and all of the bad things that come from that? There is NOTHING to be happy about the rise of Nationalism in Europe. There are still many people harbouring both real and imagined grievances. " . You are melodramatic. People are entitled to be nationalistic, just as somebody is entitled to be religious or an internationalist, personally I don't think anything good will come from the identitarianism movement but it's not exactly devil worshipping. | |||
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"Nationalism is no more likely to cause war and conflict than internationalism. Let’s face facts. It was the alliance of nations on either side that led to WW1, and the treatment of Germany after WW1 that led to WW2. Had we all just kept ourselves to ourselves in the first place, two entire generations might well have not been needlessly killed. Hitler would never have made chancellor either." That's true for civic nationalism. Populism is a more dangerous beast. Especially when it arises from perceived national humiliation. The alliances of nations did not start WW1. It was what escalated it, with nations piling in along side their chums. | |||
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"Nationalism is no more likely to cause war and conflict than internationalism. Let’s face facts. It was the alliance of nations on either side that led to WW1, and the treatment of Germany after WW1 that led to WW2. Had we all just kept ourselves to ourselves in the first place, two entire generations might well have not been needlessly killed. Hitler would never have made chancellor either. That's true for civic nationalism. Populism is a more dangerous beast. Especially when it arises from perceived national humiliation. The alliances of nations did not start WW1. It was what escalated it, with nations piling in along side their chums." If only it was that straight forward,the reasons are very complex.A few sentences cannot be used to analys these events. | |||
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"Nationalism is no more likely to cause war and conflict than internationalism. Let’s face facts. It was the alliance of nations on either side that led to WW1, and the treatment of Germany after WW1 that led to WW2. Had we all just kept ourselves to ourselves in the first place, two entire generations might well have not been needlessly killed. Hitler would never have made chancellor either. That's true for civic nationalism. Populism is a more dangerous beast. Especially when it arises from perceived national humiliation. The alliances of nations did not start WW1. It was what escalated it, with nations piling in along side their chums.If only it was that straight forward,the reasons are very complex.A few sentences cannot be used to analys these events." . Well said, apparently there against simplified jingoistic answers for populism but then do exactly that when it suits there narrative. | |||
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"Nationalism is no more likely to cause war and conflict than internationalism. Let’s face facts. It was the alliance of nations on either side that led to WW1, and the treatment of Germany after WW1 that led to WW2. Had we all just kept ourselves to ourselves in the first place, two entire generations might well have not been needlessly killed. Hitler would never have made chancellor either. If your going to quite facts, then you should do some research or know your History! WW1 started because Crown Prince Ferdinand of Austria was murdered by Serbs in Sarajevo! Serbia was backed by Russia and Austria by Germany!" And how many other countries got sucked in because of international alliances? More than just two as well you know. That is why it was a WORLD war. How did we become involved? Because we had an age old alliance with Belgium... | |||
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"Nationalism is no more likely to cause war and conflict than internationalism. Let’s face facts. It was the alliance of nations on either side that led to WW1, and the treatment of Germany after WW1 that led to WW2. Had we all just kept ourselves to ourselves in the first place, two entire generations might well have not been needlessly killed. Hitler would never have made chancellor either. If your going to quite facts, then you should do some research or know your History! WW1 started because Crown Prince Ferdinand of Austria was murdered by Serbs in Sarajevo! Serbia was backed by Russia and Austria by Germany! And how many other countries got sucked in because of international alliances? More than just two as well you know. That is why it was a WORLD war. How did we become involved? Because we had an age old alliance with Belgium..." Hmmm....so let’s think a bit about that....since the end of the Second World War, we have been involved in regular small wars because of our international alliances....Iraq and Afghan being the most recent and most visible examples....neither of which made sense strategically for the UK. Saddam after all was once our man in the Middle East and a buffer against the spread of the Iranian revolution. Afghanistan was even more of a mess with the CIA funding the Peshmerga during the Russian invasion and then finding their local allies turned against them when the Russians retreated from their own personal Vietnam (only to find themselves in the war of attrition closer to home in Chechnya). Ronnie raygun changed the ethos of the CIA into a high tech hands off satellite based system and there is a view that if he had kept operatives on the ground in these far flung places then some of these wars may not have happened. The trouble is that training spies and keeping them on point is expensive and requires a high level of skill and dedication which when compared to sending in the grunts and keeping the war machine going looks less attractive to the powers that be, not to mention hostages being taken and the embarrassment they cause governments. Hope this isn’t too rambly but the cat has just spent the last 15 minutes chasing a mouse it brought in around the bedroom and woken me right up....bloody pets eh ![]() | |||
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"Vox will make great gains ...another Spain is Spain party ...the Spanish want to be Spanish not eu ....sounds familiar to me" Sorry to burst your Europhobic bubble, but the election was one by a party whose policy is to support further European integration. The Catalan independents won more seats than your beloved Vox. And Spain now holds the European presidency. Viva y Espana! | |||
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"Nationalism is no more likely to cause war and conflict than internationalism. Let’s face facts. It was the alliance of nations on either side that led to WW1, and the treatment of Germany after WW1 that led to WW2. Had we all just kept ourselves to ourselves in the first place, two entire generations might well have not been needlessly killed. Hitler would never have made chancellor either. If your going to quite facts, then you should do some research or know your History! WW1 started because Crown Prince Ferdinand of Austria was murdered by Serbs in Sarajevo! Serbia was backed by Russia and Austria by Germany!" Actually, this was the trigger and not the cause. The cause was the rise of irretractable alliances.... | |||
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