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By *ab_Sparkles OP   Woman
over a year ago

sparkle Surprised

I was flicking through the Facebook and up poped this group. I'm actually not quite sure about them other than was about climate change.

I found the whole thing interesting it kinda reminds me of watching those _estivals (never been) like Glastonbury but spilled onto London.

I've found myself joining the Facebook group both the larger and local one. Maybe I'm missing out and feeling a bit like attaching myself to a post.

I had noticed that it's getting a bit of air time, I'm wondering if it's possible because parliament are on holiday.

To be far London and a few others are a bit air polluted and other things around the world.

Even the other day i got a paper looking strew from mac's with my milkshake but confused as the lid was still plastic based

So even small things are changing, do many people believe in what they are doing or a inconvenience to those not interested.

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By *ab_Sparkles OP   Woman
over a year ago

sparkle Surprised

Oh and forgot to say that, I think the government are not so fussed because people are talking about this, rather than what has been going on so it's distracting the general public for a while.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

It's about so much more than air pollution in city centres.

The most disturbing thing for me is how rising global temperatures are shrinking the ice at both the north and south poles.

The volume of water stored in these areas is unimaginably huge.

The consequences of that a melting are catastrophic for low-lying areas.

That in turn will lead to hundreds of millions of people becoming refugees in search of higher ground.

We've seen how destabilising a few hundred thousand migrants is on this country.

Just think how destabilising it will be when, say, the population of Bangladesh is on the move.

I support these people drawing attention to serious risks we face and agree that more global and national leadership is needed.

They just need to be careful not to alienate the very people whose support they need.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

They had a protest in Nottingham yesterday, where they blocked several key roads for a few minutes at a time. The cars just sat there and continued to spew their fumes into the atmosphere, so not entirely how that helped.

Disrupting public transport? Again, seems counter productive.

Not taking their protests to India, China and the USA. Surely that's where the biggest problems are.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"They had a protest in Nottingham yesterday, where they blocked several key roads for a few minutes at a time. The cars just sat there and continued to spew their fumes into the atmosphere, so not entirely how that helped.

Disrupting public transport? Again, seems counter productive.

Not taking their protests to India, China and the USA. Surely that's where the biggest problems are. "

Well let's face it. they are not the sharpest tools in the box.

Cause traffic jams....more pollution.

Disrupt public transport... I thought the green lobby wanted to get us all ONTO public transport.

Protest at parliament...when all the MP's are on holiday.

Protest at Downing Street....When Mother Teresa is also on holiday.

Glue themselves to Corbyn's fence.... When he was down the allotment.

Yep, this lot are as blunt as a 4 pound lump hammer.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"It's about so much more than air pollution in city centres.

The most disturbing thing for me is how rising global temperatures are shrinking the ice at both the north and south poles.

The volume of water stored in these areas is unimaginably huge.

The consequences of that a melting are catastrophic for low-lying areas.

That in turn will lead to hundreds of millions of people becoming refugees in search of higher ground.

We've seen how destabilising a few hundred thousand migrants is on this country.

Just think how destabilising it will be when, say, the population of Bangladesh is on the move.

I support these people drawing attention to serious risks we face and agree that more global and national leadership is needed.

They just need to be careful not to alienate the very people whose support they need.

"

We should all be rich beyond our wildest dreams then, with migration being a net benefit to the economy.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"They had a protest in Nottingham yesterday, where they blocked several key roads for a few minutes at a time. The cars just sat there and continued to spew their fumes into the atmosphere, so not entirely how that helped.

Disrupting public transport? Again, seems counter productive.

Not taking their protests to India, China and the USA. Surely that's where the biggest problems are.

Well let's face it. they are not the sharpest tools in the box.

Cause traffic jams....more pollution.

Disrupt public transport... I thought the green lobby wanted to get us all ONTO public transport.

Protest at parliament...when all the MP's are on holiday.

Protest at Downing Street....When Mother Teresa is also on holiday.

Glue themselves to Corbyn's fence.... When he was down the allotment.

Yep, this lot are as blunt as a 4 pound lump hammer."

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

understand why there protesting but they not doing themselves any favours with people who work and live in london.our firm canr get in to make deliverys we have stores in park lane and piccadilly that we cant get in to deliver to so our driver not got much to do 2 days already this week cpl more peeps i know are having to leave extra hour and half early so they get in on time.they reakon marble arch looks and smells like a refugee camp at the mo.if they keep it up for two weeks like there saying reakon they gona lose any sympathy they mite have.well in london anyway where peeps are just trying to go about there lives.with the road closures all there doing is diverting traffic into more residential areas rather than it going through town where the roads can take more traffic

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"

Yep, this lot are as blunt as a 4 pound lump hammer."

The opposite is true.

Because Parliament is on holiday, because political stories have dried up, the news schedules are light.

So they are getting wall-to-wall coverage on TV and the media.

Their message is reaching an audience of millions.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

yea its reaching millions but pretty sure if your that way inclined you know the message already and like sumone else already pointed out when it comes to polluting we are way behind a lot of other country we not even the worst in europe think poland and germany are burning more coal thsn the rest of europe put together.and the likes of brasil u.s india and russia are way ajead of everyone mabey bring them countrys to a halt.oh thats right there police would move them a lot faster

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are half way through the biggest extinction event in history nobody gives a fuck really.Just faux Outrage from some hipsters.

Carry on.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"like sumone else already pointed out when it comes to polluting we are way behind a lot of other country we not even the worst in europe think poland and germany are burning more coal thsn the rest of europe put together."

Which is where the EU is very important.

It is trying to adopt ambitious targets for climate neutrality by 2050.

That would require countries to completely decarbonise their energy infrastructure.

Most countries have signed up to it.

Germany, Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic are holding out.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"We are half way through the biggest extinction event in history nobody gives a fuck really.Just faux Outrage from some hipsters.

Carry on. "

People do give a fuck, but to actually do something that makes a difference would require such a change that they can't fathom it, and so convince themselves that recycling/re-using shopping bags is enough.

There's some pretty interesting writing out there from the likes of George Monbiot (who I'm not always a fan of) about it. The analysis is that capitalism is not compatible with saving the environment.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Can any of the ER protestors tell us how we are going to be carbon neutral by 2025?

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"

Yep, this lot are as blunt as a 4 pound lump hammer.

The opposite is true.

Because Parliament is on holiday, because political stories have dried up, the news schedules are light.

So they are getting wall-to-wall coverage on TV and the media.

Their message is reaching an audience of millions.

"

They must have been really pissed off when that church burned down then.

That really took over the front pages.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We are half way through the biggest extinction event in history nobody gives a fuck really.Just faux Outrage from some hipsters.

Carry on.

People do give a fuck, but to actually do something that makes a difference would require such a change that they can't fathom it, and so convince themselves that recycling/re-using shopping bags is enough.

There's some pretty interesting writing out there from the likes of George Monbiot (who I'm not always a fan of) about it. The analysis is that capitalism is not compatible with saving the environment. "

Socialism/communism would probably be as bad or worse for the environment.

You wouldn't have any billionaire tech hipsters buying up forests for preservation and a lower tax bill.The state has historically been a poor custodian of the environment.

The best bet is global corporations managing what little is left with ruthless authority.Human free zones would be my choice patrolled by lethal automonous drones.

We've lost the right enter the last wildernesses.Shoot on sight any trespassers.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"We are half way through the biggest extinction event in history nobody gives a fuck really.Just faux Outrage from some hipsters.

Carry on.

People do give a fuck, but to actually do something that makes a difference would require such a change that they can't fathom it, and so convince themselves that recycling/re-using shopping bags is enough.

There's some pretty interesting writing out there from the likes of George Monbiot (who I'm not always a fan of) about it. The analysis is that capitalism is not compatible with saving the environment.

Socialism/communism would probably be as bad or worse for the environment.

You wouldn't have any billionaire tech hipsters buying up forests for preservation and a lower tax bill.The state has historically been a poor custodian of the environment.

The best bet is global corporations managing what little is left with ruthless authority.Human free zones would be my choice patrolled by lethal automonous drones.

We've lost the right enter the last wildernesses.Shoot on sight any trespassers.

"

Not entirely sure monbiot is a communist.

The point is, you cannot have continuous growth and also save the environment.

I think he is (or used to be) an anarchist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We are half way through the biggest extinction event in history nobody gives a fuck really.Just faux Outrage from some hipsters.

Carry on.

People do give a fuck, but to actually do something that makes a difference would require such a change that they can't fathom it, and so convince themselves that recycling/re-using shopping bags is enough.

There's some pretty interesting writing out there from the likes of George Monbiot (who I'm not always a fan of) about it. The analysis is that capitalism is not compatible with saving the environment.

Socialism/communism would probably be as bad or worse for the environment.

You wouldn't have any billionaire tech hipsters buying up forests for preservation and a lower tax bill.The state has historically been a poor custodian of the environment.

The best bet is global corporations managing what little is left with ruthless authority.Human free zones would be my choice patrolled by lethal automonous drones.

We've lost the right enter the last wildernesses.Shoot on sight any trespassers.

Not entirely sure monbiot is a communist.

The point is, you cannot have continuous growth and also save the environment.

I think he is (or used to be) an anarchist. "

My point is we will continue in our pursuit of endless growth on a finite rock regardless of left or right or capitalism versus socialism.

The problem is a technological one and the state is awful at getting a technological solution off the ground.

I'm hoping for a 12 monkeys style solution as an intermediate measure.

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

As already said I don't think these idiots are doing any good what so ever.

I alway get public transport into work. However because of these muppets I'm driving in.

That's one car emissions extra for London due to these twats.

If you protest is about the environment why target public transport?

Why target a country (the Uk) who's share of global carbon dioxide emissions is 1%!

Why not protest in China, USA, India, Russia or even Germany. These are the countries that would need to change first.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As already said I don't think these idiots are doing any good what so ever.

I alway get public transport into work. However because of these muppets I'm driving in.

That's one car emissions extra for London due to these twats.

If you protest is about the environment why target public transport?

Why target a country (the Uk) who'so share of global carbon dioxide emissions is 1%!

Why not protest in China, USA, India, Russia or even Germany. These are the countries that would need to change first."

Maybe flying to china to protest isn't environmentally friendly..Just sayin.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"We are half way through the biggest extinction event in history nobody gives a fuck really.Just faux Outrage from some hipsters.

Carry on.

People do give a fuck, but to actually do something that makes a difference would require such a change that they can't fathom it, and so convince themselves that recycling/re-using shopping bags is enough.

There's some pretty interesting writing out there from the likes of George Monbiot (who I'm not always a fan of) about it. The analysis is that capitalism is not compatible with saving the environment.

Socialism/communism would probably be as bad or worse for the environment.

You wouldn't have any billionaire tech hipsters buying up forests for preservation and a lower tax bill.The state has historically been a poor custodian of the environment.

The best bet is global corporations managing what little is left with ruthless authority.Human free zones would be my choice patrolled by lethal automonous drones.

We've lost the right enter the last wildernesses.Shoot on sight any trespassers.

Not entirely sure monbiot is a communist.

The point is, you cannot have continuous growth and also save the environment.

I think he is (or used to be) an anarchist. "

Which is pretty much what the extinction rebellion mob are, well the ringleaders at least.

They don't really give a toss about the planet. It's just this weeks latest wheeze they can use to cause havoc.

Aided and abetted by the usual dimwits who will plant a tree on Westminster bridge, dance around a bit then go for a skinny latte while they phone daddy to pick them up in the Chelsea tractor.

When they get back to their central heated bedroom bristling with every electronic gadget known to mankind (all plugged in and on charge of course) they will stare up at the Polar Bear poster on the wall and think: WOW! I've done my bit for the planet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

AS we can see in this thread if the climate deniers and dullards put half as much effort into preventing environment disasters as the do in complaining that these people use mobile phones and live in heated homes and probably like Nutella etc etc ad nauseum.

Let's be honest these melts want there environmental protesters looking like they just walked off s commune , living off the land and drinking from a stream wearing wolly jumpers .Yet if they were presented with such protesters they'd call them weirdo hippies.Truth is those complaining about people protesting would complain regardless because they are wilfully ignorant of the situation..

Sad cunts I know but these are the counts we must share the earth with..

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"We are half way through the biggest extinction event in history nobody gives a fuck really.Just faux Outrage from some hipsters.

Carry on.

People do give a fuck, but to actually do something that makes a difference would require such a change that they can't fathom it, and so convince themselves that recycling/re-using shopping bags is enough.

There's some pretty interesting writing out there from the likes of George Monbiot (who I'm not always a fan of) about it. The analysis is that capitalism is not compatible with saving the environment.

Socialism/communism would probably be as bad or worse for the environment.

You wouldn't have any billionaire tech hipsters buying up forests for preservation and a lower tax bill.The state has historically been a poor custodian of the environment.

The best bet is global corporations managing what little is left with ruthless authority.Human free zones would be my choice patrolled by lethal automonous drones.

We've lost the right enter the last wildernesses.Shoot on sight any trespassers.

Not entirely sure monbiot is a communist.

The point is, you cannot have continuous growth and also save the environment.

I think he is (or used to be) an anarchist.

Which is pretty much what the extinction rebellion mob are, well the ringleaders at least.

They don't really give a toss about the planet. It's just this weeks latest wheeze they can use to cause havoc.

Aided and abetted by the usual dimwits who will plant a tree on Westminster bridge, dance around a bit then go for a skinny latte while they phone daddy to pick them up in the Chelsea tractor.

When they get back to their central heated bedroom bristling with every electronic gadget known to mankind (all plugged in and on charge of course) they will stare up at the Polar Bear poster on the wall and think: WOW! I've done my bit for the planet."

What makes you think that anarchists don't give a toss about the planet?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

THANKS jimmy.!

You've made me google eco-anarchy and naturalistic anarchism.

Everyday is a school day.

I like what I've read so far.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood


"like sumone else already pointed out when it comes to polluting we are way behind a lot of other country we not even the worst in europe think poland and germany are burning more coal thsn the rest of europe put together.

Which is where the EU is very important.

It is trying to adopt ambitious targets for climate neutrality by 2050.

That would require countries to completely decarbonise their energy infrastructure.

Most countries have signed up to it.

Germany, Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic are holding out.

"

so germany biggest economy in europe i really cant see them going green if it cuts into there profits.sure i read somewhere the biggest coal burners in europe am sure windmills and solar panels aint gona meet there energy needs and they need energy to be the biggest economy.only way the planet stands a chance is if the human race shrinks massivley.more people = more pollution

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"like sumone else already pointed out when it comes to polluting we are way behind a lot of other country we not even the worst in europe think poland and germany are burning more coal thsn the rest of europe put together.

Which is where the EU is very important.

It is trying to adopt ambitious targets for climate neutrality by 2050.

That would require countries to completely decarbonise their energy infrastructure.

Most countries have signed up to it.

Germany, Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic are holding out.

so germany biggest economy in europe i really cant see them going green if it cuts into there profits.sure i read somewhere the biggest coal burners in europe am sure windmills and solar panels aint gona meet there energy needs and they need energy to be the biggest economy.only way the planet stands a chance is if the human race shrinks massivley.more people = more pollution"

Germany has had a huge surge to the Green Party recently.Keep up and stay informed.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham


"As already said I don't think these idiots are doing any good what so ever.

I alway get public transport into work. However because of these muppets I'm driving in.

That's one car emissions extra for London due to these twats.

If you protest is about the environment why target public transport?

Why target a country (the Uk) who'so share of global carbon dioxide emissions is 1%!

Why not protest in China, USA, India, Russia or even Germany. These are the countries that would need to change first.

Maybe flying to china to protest isn't environmentally friendly..Just sayin. "

You could drive there in a solar powered car.... A Dutch bloke has driven to Sydney in an electric car (apart from the ocean bit). Did take him two years though ??

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

what amuses me is hearing reporters say how is disrupting day to day life of ordinary people helping get the message across? And then editing out the answers of: How is being poisoned by petrochemical by products sold by multinationals who are killing the planet improving daily life for the majority?

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD


"As already said I don't think these idiots are doing any good what so ever.

I alway get public transport into work. However because of these muppets I'm driving in.

That's one car emissions extra for London due to these twats.

If you protest is about the environment why target public transport?

Why target a country (the Uk) who'so share of global carbon dioxide emissions is 1%!

Why not protest in China, USA, India, Russia or even Germany. These are the countries that would need to change first.

Maybe flying to china to protest isn't environmentally friendly..Just sayin.

You could drive there in a solar powered car.... A Dutch bloke has driven to Sydney in an electric car (apart from the ocean bit). Did take him two years though ??"

They should walk and swim there.

It would shows us how committed they really are, rather than coming to the capital and causing traffic jams!

All they have done so far is caused extra exhaust emissions and left their rubbish everywhere.

Very eco friendly aren't they!!

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As already said I don't think these idiots are doing any good what so ever.

I alway get public transport into work. However because of these muppets I'm driving in.

That's one car emissions extra for London due to these twats.

If you protest is about the environment why target public transport?

Why target a country (the Uk) who'so share of global carbon dioxide emissions is 1%!

Why not protest in China, USA, India, Russia or even Germany. These are the countries that would need to change first.

Maybe flying to china to protest isn't environmentally friendly..Just sayin.

You could drive there in a solar powered car.... A Dutch bloke has driven to Sydney in an electric car (apart from the ocean bit). Did take him two years though ??

They should walk and swim there.

It would shows us how committed they really are, rather than coming to the capital and causing traffic jams!

All they have done so far is caused extra exhaust emissions and left their rubbish everywhere.

Very eco friendly aren't they!!"

If they aren't wearing clothes made of hemp or something really itchy and drinking from a muddy stream and haven't showered since 2014 they should shut the fuck up Am I right...

Fucking clowns .plastic eco warriors.They aren't even biodegradable...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The sad thing is we knew about the damage we whre doing decades ago.

Remember coal being banned from house fires, smokeless fuel.

CFCs banned, we should have carried on, the ozone layer repaired itself and they must have all thought job done.

Whike big business runs the governnents of this world profit will always be king.

50 years from now our grand and great grand kids will be asking how we could let this happen.

#letsfixtheplanet

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By *iverpool LoverMan
over a year ago

liverpool

A quote from the movie tomorrowland

"Let's imagine... if you glimpsed the future, you were frightened by what you saw, what would you do with that information? You would go to the politicians, captains of industry? And how would you convince them? Data? Facts? Good luck! The only facts they won't challenge are the ones that keep the wheels greased and the dollars rolling in. But what if... what if there was a way of skipping the middle man and putting the critical news directly into everyone's head? The probability of wide-spread annihilation kept going up. The only way to stop it was to show it, to scare people straight. Because what reasonable human being wouldn't be galvanized by the potential destruction of everything they've ever known or loved? To save civilization, I would show its collapse. How do you think this vision was received? How do you think people responded to the prospect of imminent doom? They gobbled it up like a chocolate eclair! They didn't fear their demise, they re-packaged it. It could be enjoyed as video-games, as TV shows, books, movies, the entire world wholeheartedly embraced the apocalypse and sprinting towards it with gleeful abandon. Meanwhile your earth was crumbling all around you. You've got simultaneous epidemics of obesity and starvation. Explain that one! Bees and butterflies start to disappear, the glaciers melt, algae blooms. All around you the coal mine canaries are dropping dead and you won't take the hint! In every moment there's the possibility of a better future, but you people won't believe it. And because you won't believe it you won't do what is necessary to make it a reality. They dwell on this terrible future and you resign yourselves to it for one reason, because that future doesn't ask anything of you today. So yes, we saw the iceberg and warned the Titanic. But you all just steered for it anyway full steam ahead. Why? Because you want to sink! You gave up!"

This part hits the nail on the head.

In every moment there's the possibility of a better future, but you people won't believe it. And because you won't believe it you won't do what is necessary to make it a reality. They dwell on this terrible future and you resign yourselves to it for one reason, because that future doesn't ask anything of you today.

Everyone wants a better future and a healthy planet but to do so would require such a change in their day to day living, that people are happy to just slowly head into a world wide disaster because it requires no change to their life.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

In capitalism the less there is of anything the more valuable it is...

I guess the same rule extends to how much of the planet is habitable.

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

OK let's say tomorrow we suddenly become a zero carbon emission nation.

Will that save the plant or make a difference.

The true answer is no.

Why because the UK only emits 1% of the total carbon emissions.

To make a difference you have to have the big five do something otherwise it's not going to work.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

The three that glued themselves to the train yesterday are now in the clink until May 16th, before going back to court.

I'm sure they will use this time wisely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"OK let's say tomorrow we suddenly become a zero carbon emission nation.

Will that save the plant or make a difference.

The true answer is no.

Why because the UK only emits 1% of the total carbon emissions.

To make a difference you have to have the big five do something otherwise it's not going to work.

"

As the country that started the industrial revolution and who's legacy is the industrialised world we live in we have a duty to be the example to other nations because great countries lead by example.Something our political class have forgotten.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood


"like sumone else already pointed out when it comes to polluting we are way behind a lot of other country we not even the worst in europe think poland and germany are burning more coal thsn the rest of europe put together.

Which is where the EU is very important.

It is trying to adopt ambitious targets for climate neutrality by 2050.

That would require countries to completely decarbonise their energy infrastructure.

Most countries have signed up to it.

Germany, Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic are holding out.

so germany biggest economy in europe i really cant see them going green if it cuts into there profits.sure i read somewhere the biggest coal burners in europe am sure windmills and solar panels aint gona meet there energy needs and they need energy to be the biggest economy.only way the planet stands a chance is if the human race shrinks massivley.more people = more pollution

Germany has had a huge surge to the Green Party recently.Keep up and stay informed. "

ooo a surge to the green party.has this surge stopped them burning more coal than anyone else? how they gona get the energy to make all the stuff that makes there economy?? money talks unfortunatley and why the money rolls in there not intrested.suppose you dont agree with me either about the populatio. of the planet getti.g bigger means more pollution .amazing that anyone you disagree with is wrong.if you have all the answers please tell those in charge so we can all be saved

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"OK let's say tomorrow we suddenly become a zero carbon emission nation.

Will that save the plant or make a difference.

The true answer is no.

Why because the UK only emits 1% of the total carbon emissions.

To make a difference you have to have the big five do something otherwise it's not going to work.

As the country that started the industrial revolution and who's legacy is the industrialised world we live in we have a duty to be the example to other nations because great countries lead by example.Something our political class have forgotten."

I thought there was no such thing as Great Britain anymore, that we're no longer a 'great' country, that we're unable to do anything on our own, that we're impotent without the rest of the EU being with us, that we need to be a part of them to acheive anything, that no-one will take any notice of us if we attempt anything unilaterally?

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By *xperimentalistMan
over a year ago

East Yorkshire

Thanos has the right idea! 50% of the population wiped out in the blink of an eye.

The human race is like a virus infecting the earth and a population crash is all that can control it.

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD


"OK let's say tomorrow we suddenly become a zero carbon emission nation.

Will that save the plant or make a difference.

The true answer is no.

Why because the UK only emits 1% of the total carbon emissions.

To make a difference you have to have the big five do something otherwise it's not going to work.

As the country that started the industrial revolution and who's legacy is the industrialised world we live in we have a duty to be the example to other nations because great countries lead by example.Something our political class have forgotten."

What a load of tosh!

You change your tune when it suits your point of view.

As for leading by example we did this week by having a low emissions zone in the capital.

But the eco muppets fucked it up by causing traffic jams.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"OK let's say tomorrow we suddenly become a zero carbon emission nation.

Will that save the plant or make a difference.

The true answer is no.

Why because the UK only emits 1% of the total carbon emissions.

To make a difference you have to have the big five do something otherwise it's not going to work.

As the country that started the industrial revolution and who's legacy is the industrialised world we live in we have a duty to be the example to other nations because great countries lead by example.Something our political class have forgotten.

What a load of tosh!

You change your tune when it suits your point of view.

As for leading by example we did this week by having a low emissions zone in the capital.

But the eco muppets fucked it up by causing traffic jams."

We will lead and so will other countries.We just need a green government and only the Green Party can deliver the changes needed.

The greens are in ascendancy across Europe.Its a positive change that is driven by youth.As its the kids who will inherit the mistakes of the wilfully ignorant like your good self .

We are one people on one blue ball and a change is needed ..

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Fast forward 50 or 100 years, and these people will be icons of the era, just as the suffragettes were icons of theirs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Fast forward 50 or 100 years, and these people will be icons of the era, just as the suffragettes were icons of theirs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"like sumone else already pointed out when it comes to polluting we are way behind a lot of other country we not even the worst in europe think poland and germany are burning more coal thsn the rest of europe put together.

Which is where the EU is very important.

It is trying to adopt ambitious targets for climate neutrality by 2050.

That would require countries to completely decarbonise their energy infrastructure.

Most countries have signed up to it.

Germany, Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic are holding out.

so germany biggest economy in europe i really cant see them going green if it cuts into there profits.sure i read somewhere the biggest coal burners in europe am sure windmills and solar panels aint gona meet there energy needs and they need energy to be the biggest economy.only way the planet stands a chance is if the human race shrinks massivley.more people = more pollution

Germany has had a huge surge to the Green Party recently.Keep up and stay informed.

ooo a surge to the green party.has this surge stopped them burning more coal than anyone else? how they gona get the energy to make all the stuff that makes there economy?? money talks unfortunatley and why the money rolls in there not intrested.suppose you dont agree with me either about the populatio. of the planet getti.g bigger means more pollution .amazing that anyone you disagree with is wrong.if you have all the answers please tell those in charge so we can all be saved "

You've given up bro by no longer participating in your democracy.So what happens to the climate is out of your control through your inaction.Just buy some popcorn kick back and watch it unfold just don't moan about it or complain.

As I've told you if you turn your back on the fire don't complain when you sit back down on hot coals.

The good and decent people will try and make the changes necessary regardless of your apathy.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

i am kicking back and watching it will be as usefull as the march remain done the other week.like i said money talks .only way they will get what they want is if green partys start bocoming the rulling partys and that aint gonna happen.like people on here love pointing out theres 65 million in this country and they cant get more than 10 000 there. how comes you aint there? you always seem to be on the winning side

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over a year ago


"i am kicking back and watching it will be as usefull as the march remain done the other week.like i said money talks .only way they will get what they want is if green partys start bocoming the rulling partys and that aint gonna happen.like people on here love pointing out theres 65 million in this country and they cant get more than 10 000 there. how comes you aint there? you always seem to be on the winning side "

The Green Party are the winning side dude !

I voted remain and didn't go on any of the marches which probably makes me a plastic remainer in your book..

I've voted green all my life Yet I don't have a friend called swampy who lives in the woods drinking from puddles another epic fail.I should hang my head in shame.I did plant trees in Oregon in my 20s and took part in some illegal logging prevention measures.Give generous amounts to the woodland trust and other eco charities.

Still probably not green enough to be hippy tree hugging lefty fior a stand up guy like yourself.

It's like the guy who doesn't give a fuck about politics and the environment and never votes yet keeps posting in a political forum complaining about other people who partake in politics and saying that it's all pointless .

It's a strange old world eh???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"OK let's say tomorrow we suddenly become a zero carbon emission nation.

Will that save the plant or make a difference.

The true answer is no.

Why because the UK only emits 1% of the total carbon emissions.

To make a difference you have to have the big five do something otherwise it's not going to work.

"

But if we became a 0 carbon emission nation tomorrow within days you and I would notice how much easier it would be to breath.

Our planet is so incredible that it would start to clean the air and recover, but you have to fight business not just here but stop it chopping done the trees just to satisfy mans greed for palm oil extra.

Did anyone else feel physically sick to thier stomach to see that poor orangutang desperately trying to fight off that machine ripping down its home ?

Mankind has become a bit of a cunt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"OK let's say tomorrow we suddenly become a zero carbon emission nation.

Will that save the plant or make a difference.

It's

The true answer is no.

Why because the UK only emits 1% of the total carbon emissions.

To make a difference you have to have the big five do something otherwise it's not going to work.

But if we became a 0 carbon emission nation tomorrow within days you and I would notice how much easier it would be to breath.

Our planet is so incredible that it would start to clean the air and recover, but you have to fight business not just here but stop it chopping done the trees just to satisfy mans greed for palm oil extra.

Did anyone else feel physically sick to thier stomach to see that poor orangutang desperately trying to fight off that machine ripping down its home ?

Mankind has become a bit of a cunt.

"

TBH I think the public are bored if orangutans fighting JCBs and polar bears starving to death on icebergs.

We can watch skinny kids with flies around their mouths and eyes crawling through rubbish dumps what hope has an orange monkey..

The only orange monkey that will make a difference is in the Whitehouse and the trumpanzees that support him are climate change deniers and aren't the brightest group.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

oh so because im not on your band wagon im not allowed an opinion eh you do realise the forums are for everone dont you? not just the monkeys from the left or right or in your case the greens.if everyone is so concerned about climate change how comes you only have one m.p? oh that is right the majority of the country dont wana give up their cars or stop there throw away lifestyles.i will keep posting on here as long as i like.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

so bob all the things you have voted for what difference has it made? you vote green how are they doing? you voted remain how did that work out? no doubt you thought trump would lose.good god please dont start giving out horse racing tips ffs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"oh so because im not on your band wagon im not allowed an opinion eh you do realise the forums are for everone dont you? not just the monkeys from the left or right or in your case the greens.if everyone is so concerned about climate change how comes you only have one m.p? oh that is right the majority of the country dont wana give up their cars or stop there throw away lifestyles.i will keep posting on here as long as i like. "

You're a man with fork in world of soup .I do hope you keep posting

I'll leave you to it from now on though as it's all one sided .

Peace and hippy green love brother.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Can any of the ER protestors tell us how we are going to be carbon neutral by 2025?

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Simple cut money to the NHS,pensions,and all social services and bring in martial law to stop people moving round.

Seriously ,Emma Thompson has flown 5000 miles to join the protest,no doubt first class.If she really cared would she not have been better starting a protest in LA where I guess she was?No doubt after causing havoc she will get on a plane and go back to earn a fortune.

These people set a bad example and turn people against them.

There is allways something like stop globalisation,all the protestors on there US I phones,buying exotic food,wearing clothes made overseas etc,I agree with them but realise that causing problems to the majority will not work.

In theory yes I agree with these people but why not protest outside the US and Chineese embassys etc.

Years ago I agreed with ban the bomb still do,they caused problems to the public and turn opinion against them,all this stuff is counter productive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's fine to demonstrate and protest, but it must be within the law!

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood


"oh so because im not on your band wagon im not allowed an opinion eh you do realise the forums are for everone dont you? not just the monkeys from the left or right or in your case the greens.if everyone is so concerned about climate change how comes you only have one m.p? oh that is right the majority of the country dont wana give up their cars or stop there throw away lifestyles.i will keep posting on here as long as i like.

You're a man with fork in world of soup .I do hope you keep posting

I'll leave you to it from now on though as it's all one sided .

Peace and hippy green love brother. "

rather have a fork than be spoon fed my opinions of what ever is in fashion this week.no doubt when the nxt minority of people protest about something the majority are indifferent to you will jump on that bandwagon as well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They had a protest in Nottingham yesterday, where they blocked several key roads for a few minutes at a time. The cars just sat there and continued to spew their fumes into the atmosphere, so not entirely how that helped.

Disrupting public transport? Again, seems counter productive.

Not taking their protests to India, China and the USA. Surely that's where the biggest problems are.

Well let's face it. they are not the sharpest tools in the box.

Cause traffic jams....more pollution.

Disrupt public transport... I thought the green lobby wanted to get us all ONTO public transport.

Protest at parliament...when all the MP's are on holiday.

Protest at Downing Street....When Mother Teresa is also on holiday.

Glue themselves to Corbyn's fence.... When he was down the allotment.

Yep, this lot are as blunt as a 4 pound lump hammer."

I'll use the same logic people use when they want to point out that many working class labour voters voted for brexit.

For one reason or another people are worried, stressed, concerned - feel like it's one rule for most of us, another for a minority. They were given the EU referendum as a potential sledge hammer and decided to swing it.

The same goes for these climate activists. They feel concerned enough to give up time and mobilise to make a statement. Does it cause problems like brexit will. Yes. Do these people have a right to peacefully protest. Yes. Perhaps turning London into a urban traffic jam gets the message accross.

I'd prefer a less disruptive resolution, but people feel like the issue is being tackled lethargically.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Can any of the ER protestors tell us how we are going to be carbon neutral by 2025?

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We probably can't. But using brexit logic, it's a negotiation. You start out with your dream and ideal, then negotiate to a more pragmatic and realistic ambition.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"Can any of the ER protestors tell us how we are going to be carbon neutral by 2025?"

Maybe a really good place to start would be forcing the petrochemical industry to start using all the alternatives inventions to fossil fuels it has been buying up and then suppressing over the last 50 or so years. They could start by investing in a H2 refueling infrastructure.

Just an idea.

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD


"Can any of the ER protestors tell us how we are going to be carbon neutral by 2025?

Simple cut money to the NHS,pensions,and all social services and bring in martial law to stop people moving round.

Seriously ,Emma Thompson has flown 5000 miles to join the protest,no doubt first class.If she really cared would she not have been better starting a protest in LA where I guess she was?No doubt after causing havoc she will get on a plane and go back to earn a fortune.

These people set a bad example and turn people against them.

There is allways something like stop globalisation,all the protestors on there US I phones,buying exotic food,wearing clothes made overseas etc,I agree with them but realise that causing problems to the majority will not work.

In theory yes I agree with these people but why not protest outside the US and Chineese embassys etc.

Years ago I agreed with ban the bomb still do,they caused problems to the public and turn opinion against them,all this stuff is counter productive."

Emma Thompson flew from the USA to protest here!

Well that says how stupid these people are.

The USA is number 2 on the carbon emissions list.

Surely it would have made more sense to start a protest there? What about the carbon footprint of her plane journey as well..!!

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By *haverMan
over a year ago

bracknell

When a govement spokesman says we will heavily tax companys using environmentaly unfriendly plastics in there products it shows where they truly stand. the heavy taxes are passed onto the consumer, believe the politican who says we will ban them immediatly

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By *agermeisterMan
over a year ago

Leeds

I thint things are so serious that we have to take a war footing and ration. Fuel, meat, clothing, carbon heavy products etc. Basically reign in consumerism.

But that is never going to happen until it's too late. We like our comfortable lifestyles and we will never give them up, even if it means the destruction of the planet. We are all fucking idiots

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By *he machinistMan
over a year ago

Stoke


"what amuses me is hearing reporters say how is disrupting day to day life of ordinary people helping get the message across? And then editing out the answers of: How is being poisoned by petrochemical by products sold by multinationals who are killing the planet improving daily life for the majority?"
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Yeah like nobody's benefited from air travel and car travel!.

Are you living on planet earth?, or under a stone for a hundred years.

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish


"Can any of the ER protestors tell us how we are going to be carbon neutral by 2025?

Simple cut money to the NHS,pensions,and all social services and bring in martial law to stop people moving round.

Seriously ,Emma Thompson has flown 5000 miles to join the protest,no doubt first class.If she really cared would she not have been better starting a protest in LA where I guess she was?No doubt after causing havoc she will get on a plane and go back to earn a fortune.

These people set a bad example and turn people against them.

There is allways something like stop globalisation,all the protestors on there US I phones,buying exotic food,wearing clothes made overseas etc,I agree with them but realise that causing problems to the majority will not work.

In theory yes I agree with these people but why not protest outside the US and Chineese embassys etc.

Years ago I agreed with ban the bomb still do,they caused problems to the public and turn opinion against them,all this stuff is counter productive.

Emma Thompson flew from the USA to protest here!

Well that says how stupid these people are.

The USA is number 2 on the carbon emissions list.

Surely it would have made more sense to start a protest there? What about the carbon footprint of her plane journey as well..!!"

Absolutely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I thint things are so serious that we have to take a war footing and ration. Fuel, meat, clothing, carbon heavy products etc. Basically reign in consumerism.

But that is never going to happen until it's too late. We like our comfortable lifestyles and we will never give them up, even if it means the destruction of the planet. We are all fucking idiots "

Somebody will release a plague before famine and war comes calling.Itll be a necessary lesson for mankind.

It'll stop us and all other life from going extinct.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"When a govement spokesman says we will heavily tax companys using environmentaly unfriendly plastics in there products it shows where they truly stand. the heavy taxes are passed onto the consumer, believe the politican who says we will ban them immediatly "

We can choose whether to pay more, or go find a cheaper plastic free alternative. It worked with bags. Imagine paying 10p more for a kg of carrots in plastic wrapping than in a paper bag. Would you pay the tax or make a different choice ?

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By *he machinistMan
over a year ago

Stoke

According to this group of morons there three political demands are.

For the government to "tell the truth about climate change".

Carbon neutrality within 6 years.

A public body to oversee assessment of progress.

I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure the international body called the IPCC is responsible for telling the truth about climate change, I'm also pretty sure Carbon neutrality is impossible in 60 years yet alone 6 and finally we have a public body to oversee "progress", it's called the civil service.

Now if somebody could please move these morons along so I can get back to work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

IPCC Sounds a bit foreign. And like experts. Don’t trust em. Who elected them ?

Nothing’s impossible if we vote for it. MPs have to deliver our will.

Although I’m not sure the civil service should be in charge. Can they be trusted ?

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish

Isn't the UK is very progressive on green issues having cut emissions faster than the rest of the EU and similar developed countries?

I feel that they should be protesting in Russia, China, India or the US.....but the authorities deal with protests with a harsher approach, so they protest here instead.

Perhaps Emma Thompson could have flown to Moscow, Beijing, New Delhi or Washington to warn about the dire consequences of a large carbon footprint?...or perhaps sent her message in a broadcast via the internet?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Protest is good for society especially if it’s non violent and all you wallys moaning about having to drive to work should get out on your bikes and pedal!

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By *he machinistMan
over a year ago

Stoke


"Protest is good for society especially if it’s non violent and all you wallys moaning about having to drive to work should get out on your bikes and pedal! "
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Unless you need to take 30 tonnes of stuff with you, then you sound like a Wally for telling people to peddle.

On your other point about protesting being good, I take it your all in favour of say far right protests over immigration?.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood


"Protest is good for society especially if it’s non violent and all you wallys moaning about having to drive to work should get out on your bikes and pedal! "

i only use public transport or ride my bike and i still think they are being dicks.u been to marble arch since they been there? all there doing why there blocking roads in central london is pushing more cars into residential areas more cars more pollution into people who live there lungs.looks and smells disgusting the sheds there usin as toilets not plumbed into anything so rivers of piss running down the road.was up there saturday for a drink so thought id drop by.usual suspects eco warriors and students mainly who know doubt when they graduate will end up working for a lot of companys who there protestin about.when push comes to shove cash always wins

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over a year ago


"Protest is good for society especially if it’s non violent and all you wallys moaning about having to drive to work should get out on your bikes and pedal! "

Some are professional moaners.No doubt these hypocrites supported the yellow vests and their actions...

They same tools moaned about the kids missing school and protesting...

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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago

south west , continental


"Protest is good for society especially if it’s non violent and all you wallys moaning about having to drive to work should get out on your bikes and pedal!

i only use public transport or ride my bike and i still think they are being dicks.u been to marble arch since they been there? all there doing why there blocking roads in central london is pushing more cars into residential areas more cars more pollution into people who live there lungs.looks and smells disgusting the sheds there usin as toilets not plumbed into anything so rivers of piss running down the road.was up there saturday for a drink so thought id drop by.usual suspects eco warriors and students mainly who know doubt when they graduate will end up working for a lot of companys who there protestin about.when push comes to shove cash always wins"

Those composting toilets work pretty well out on the farm, but on tarmac they loose there purpose pretty quick.

I agree with some of the points these groups try to make, however at the end of the day, folk have to earn a wage to live, you have to travel to work, you have to heat your home. Electric cars are expensive and the power still comes from fossil fuel power stations or nuclear. Nuclear was once the forbidden power, now that's accepted, but the spent fuel takes hundreds of years to degrade. we are not all lucky to live off the land in an eco community. There isn't enough land to errect windfarms, every available plot of land would have to have a wind generator. To become carbon neutral by 2025 would mean giving up the engine, the aeroplane, the boat.No more travel, no more comfortable living. The technology does not exist to go back to the moon, so what technology will power the transportation of goods and services? What will light your homes, cook your food, we can't all be cutting down trees to make a fire, trees eat carbon dioxide. Is this carbon neutral thing been thought through? Oh and as human beings we breath out carbon dioxide hows that going to work?

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By *he machinistMan
over a year ago

Stoke

The trouble with addressing climate change is it requires a wholesale depopulation and regress back 500 years.

How do you feed 7 million people in London without fuel for tractors, pesticides, machinery, trucks to bring it to London,refrigeration to keep it edible, water for washing it cleaning surfaces.

There has to be a medium of what we can do and what we can't do and if it turns out that what we can't do is the only solution then we've got to learn to live with it.

A bunch of emotional morons virtue signalling and stopping people actually doing stuff is really the most wasteful pointless moan of them all.

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over a year ago

They may be aiming too high ... but sometimes you need to do that to really make big gains. I’m sure years ago we’d have been thinking the same about electric cars.

We’re meant to be an innovative country able to rising to challenges (see any brexit thread). Yet come changes to how we live we roll over and say it’s too hard. More Dunkirk than d-day.

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over a year ago


"They may be aiming too high ... but sometimes you need to do that to really make big gains. I’m sure years ago we’d have been thinking the same about electric cars.

We’re meant to be an innovative country able to rising to challenges (see any brexit thread). Yet come changes to how we live we roll over and say it’s too hard. More Dunkirk than d-day. "

Exactly it's all technological feasible it's the will that's lacking and hindered by short term think over a long term view.

The Saudis know the age of oil is over with the statement "The Stone Age didn't end because they ran out of stone"

Now in the last year the production cost of renewables is lower than that of fossil fuels.Its an Inevitable direction of travel away from fossil fuels.

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By *he machinistMan
over a year ago

Stoke


"They may be aiming too high ... but sometimes you need to do that to really make big gains. I’m sure years ago we’d have been thinking the same about electric cars.

We’re meant to be an innovative country able to rising to challenges (see any brexit thread). Yet come changes to how we live we roll over and say it’s too hard. More Dunkirk than d-day.

Exactly it's all technological feasible it's the will that's lacking and hindered by short term think over a long term view.

The Saudis know the age of oil is over with the statement "The Stone Age didn't end because they ran out of stone"

Now in the last year the production cost of renewables is lower than that of fossil fuels.Its an Inevitable direction of travel away from fossil fuels.

"
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Thats nonsense, go away and read some actual science.

All the batteries in the world couldn't hold ten minutes of world energy usage never mind an hour or a whole day.

Besides digging up the resources for batteries and then dismantling them after there life is up requires energy, digging up resources for solar, digging up resources for wind, you know concrete is responsible for 8% of world c02 levels?.

What you planning on building the wind turbines from?.

Honestly the downright dishonesty over c02 and climate is shocking, it's like a cult the new religion for stupid people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don’t use concrete then?

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By *he machinistMan
over a year ago

Stoke


"Don’t use concrete then?

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Great idea, what do you propose?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What do they make oil rigs out of?

Because here’s the thing. We need new *somethings* .. why can the somethings support a cleaner fuel ?

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over a year ago


"They may be aiming too high ... but sometimes you need to do that to really make big gains. I’m sure years ago we’d have been thinking the same about electric cars.

We’re meant to be an innovative country able to rising to challenges (see any brexit thread). Yet come changes to how we live we roll over and say it’s too hard. More Dunkirk than d-day.

Exactly it's all technological feasible it's the will that's lacking and hindered by short term think over a long term view.

The Saudis know the age of oil is over with the statement "The Stone Age didn't end because they ran out of stone"

Now in the last year the production cost of renewables is lower than that of fossil fuels.Its an Inevitable direction of travel away from fossil fuels.

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Thats nonsense, go away and read some actual science.

All the batteries in the world couldn't hold ten minutes of world energy usage never mind an hour or a whole day.

Besides digging up the resources for batteries and then dismantling them after there life is up requires energy, digging up resources for solar, digging up resources for wind, you know concrete is responsible for 8% of world c02 levels?.

What you planning on building the wind turbines from?.

Honestly the downright dishonesty over c02 and climate is shocking, it's like a cult the new religion for stupid people."

I have no issue with nuclear power .The solution is multifaceted if you can see past your own BS.

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By *he machinistMan
over a year ago

Stoke


"What do they make oil rigs out of?

Because here’s the thing. We need new *somethings* .. why can the somethings support a cleaner fuel ?"
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Steel and concrete, steel is made from iron ore which requires digging up and then processing which uses vast amounts of energy.

I agree we need new things but just saying that doesn't change science or make new things appear, new things require energy, scientists require energy to heat their house, power their car, eat, drink.

Every day people and companies are looking and trying very very hard to find energy sources cheaper and cleaner and portable and abundant but alas they don't grow on trees.

Climate scientists are in agreement that c02 causes warming, how much warming is where they differ, some think drastic warming some think negligible and some think hardly anything.

Throwing the baby out with the bathwater seems to be the modern Snowflake reaction to every problem in the world today.

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over a year ago


"What do they make oil rigs out of?

Because here’s the thing. We need new *somethings* .. why can the somethings support a cleaner fuel ?.

Steel and concrete, steel is made from iron ore which requires digging up and then processing which uses vast amounts of energy.

I agree we need new things but just saying that doesn't change science or make new things appear, new things require energy, scientists require energy to heat their house, power their car, eat, drink.

Every day people and companies are looking and trying very very hard to find energy sources cheaper and cleaner and portable and abundant but alas they don't grow on trees.

Climate scientists are in agreement that c02 causes warming, how much warming is where they differ, some think drastic warming some think negligible and some think hardly anything.

Throwing the baby out with the bathwater seems to be the modern Snowflake reaction to every problem in the world today."

There we have it the climate change denial card played by the dishonest and wilfully ignorant ..

Quality.

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By *he machinistMan
over a year ago

Stoke


"They may be aiming too high ... but sometimes you need to do that to really make big gains. I’m sure years ago we’d have been thinking the same about electric cars.

We’re meant to be an innovative country able to rising to challenges (see any brexit thread). Yet come changes to how we live we roll over and say it’s too hard. More Dunkirk than d-day.

Exactly it's all technological feasible it's the will that's lacking and hindered by short term think over a long term view.

The Saudis know the age of oil is over with the statement "The Stone Age didn't end because they ran out of stone"

Now in the last year the production cost of renewables is lower than that of fossil fuels.Its an Inevitable direction of travel away from fossil fuels.

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Thats nonsense, go away and read some actual science.

All the batteries in the world couldn't hold ten minutes of world energy usage never mind an hour or a whole day.

Besides digging up the resources for batteries and then dismantling them after there life is up requires energy, digging up resources for solar, digging up resources for wind, you know concrete is responsible for 8% of world c02 levels?.

What you planning on building the wind turbines from?.

Honestly the downright dishonesty over c02 and climate is shocking, it's like a cult the new religion for stupid people.

I have no issue with nuclear power .The solution is multifaceted if you can see past your own BS. "
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Nuclear power over it's lifetime produces near close c02 as gas turbines.

I don't know about mine but I've certainly seen past yours.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wondered which snowflake would use the term snowflake first

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By *he machinistMan
over a year ago

Stoke


"What do they make oil rigs out of?

Because here’s the thing. We need new *somethings* .. why can the somethings support a cleaner fuel ?.

Steel and concrete, steel is made from iron ore which requires digging up and then processing which uses vast amounts of energy.

I agree we need new things but just saying that doesn't change science or make new things appear, new things require energy, scientists require energy to heat their house, power their car, eat, drink.

Every day people and companies are looking and trying very very hard to find energy sources cheaper and cleaner and portable and abundant but alas they don't grow on trees.

Climate scientists are in agreement that c02 causes warming, how much warming is where they differ, some think drastic warming some think negligible and some think hardly anything.

Throwing the baby out with the bathwater seems to be the modern Snowflake reaction to every problem in the world today.

There we have it the climate change denial card played by the dishonest and wilfully ignorant ..

Quality. "
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I think if you actually read anything you'll see that statement to be factually correct and yours to be wilfully dishonest and more to the point dangerous.

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By *he machinistMan
over a year ago

Stoke

Like I said, a new religion for stupid people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What do they make oil rigs out of?

Because here’s the thing. We need new *somethings* .. why can the somethings support a cleaner fuel ?.

Steel and concrete, steel is made from iron ore which requires digging up and then processing which uses vast amounts of energy.

I agree we need new things but just saying that doesn't change science or make new things appear, new things require energy, scientists require energy to heat their house, power their car, eat, drink.

Every day people and companies are looking and trying very very hard to find energy sources cheaper and cleaner and portable and abundant but alas they don't grow on trees.

Climate scientists are in agreement that c02 causes warming, how much warming is where they differ, some think drastic warming some think negligible and some think hardly anything.

Throwing the baby out with the bathwater seems to be the modern Snowflake reaction to every problem in the world today."

I’m in agreement it’s not easy. And we don’t have immediate solutions. But an intent and an awareness is good. The trouble is the knee jerk reaction to the “virtue signallers” is to double down on doing nothing. I can’t be zero carbon so fuck it. I will carry on regardless. That will teach em for making em late. (Strawman alert ... I’m putting words in mouths)

There’s throwing the baby out. And there’s leaving the baby in dirty water. I’m sure there’s a middle ground where we can have baby without dirty water ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Protest is good for society especially if it’s non violent and all you wallys moaning about having to drive to work should get out on your bikes and pedal! .

Unless you need to take 30 tonnes of stuff with you, then you sound like a Wally for telling people to peddle.

On your other point about protesting being good, I take it your all in favour of say far right protests over immigration?."

Thats a very wanky argument! My point was that non violent protest is a good thing for society as it bypasses the controlling influence of parliament and the conservative dominated media. Also I am not stupid enough to think that a bicycle will replace the need for heavy goods haulage. It was a cheap shot and you know it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's quite simple if you went to 10 doctors and 9 of them said you had cancer the climate deniers would choose the guy who gave you the all clear...

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By *ab_Sparkles OP   Woman
over a year ago

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I saw a post before on Facebook and showing that the protesters left a park in left it in a mess something you see after a _estival when the parties over and gone home..

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By *he machinistMan
over a year ago

Stoke


"What do they make oil rigs out of?

Because here’s the thing. We need new *somethings* .. why can the somethings support a cleaner fuel ?.

Steel and concrete, steel is made from iron ore which requires digging up and then processing which uses vast amounts of energy.

I agree we need new things but just saying that doesn't change science or make new things appear, new things require energy, scientists require energy to heat their house, power their car, eat, drink.

Every day people and companies are looking and trying very very hard to find energy sources cheaper and cleaner and portable and abundant but alas they don't grow on trees.

Climate scientists are in agreement that c02 causes warming, how much warming is where they differ, some think drastic warming some think negligible and some think hardly anything.

Throwing the baby out with the bathwater seems to be the modern Snowflake reaction to every problem in the world today.

I’m in agreement it’s not easy. And we don’t have immediate solutions. But an intent and an awareness is good. The trouble is the knee jerk reaction to the “virtue signallers” is to double down on doing nothing. I can’t be zero carbon so fuck it. I will carry on regardless. That will teach em for making em late. (Strawman alert ... I’m putting words in mouths)

There’s throwing the baby out. And there’s leaving the baby in dirty water. I’m sure there’s a middle ground where we can have baby without dirty water ...

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But it's just not true that were doing nothing, in thirty years we've gone from catalysts on cars to computer controlled engine management, from 25 average mpg to 65 mpg to hybrid to electric cars, decent amount of energy being produced by "renewables"but alas in that time of technical gains we've also got growth in people and usage and phones and PlayStations and mass produced clothing.

Until we do something about growth the technical gains will always lag.

Personally I don't think c02 levels are anywhere near dangerous, we started the industrial Revolution at record low dangerous levels of 250, the long term average for earth is a 1000 and life managed just fine and dandy.

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By *he machinistMan
over a year ago

Stoke


"It's quite simple if you went to 10 doctors and 9 of them said you had cancer the climate deniers would choose the guy who gave you the all clear...

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The actual analogy your looking for is you went to 35,000 doctors, all of them said you've got cancer, 500 of them said you'll be dead in a week and there's no hope, 10,000 said you'll be dead in ten years but you might get twenty if you only eat green beans, 10,000 said you can live with it a full life if you make some changes to your lifestyle 10,000 said it's not conclusive either way and the rest said everybody gets it eventually.

They all agree on the diagnosis but disagree widely on prognosis.

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By *agermeisterMan
over a year ago

Leeds


"I saw a post before on Facebook and showing that the protesters left a park in left it in a mess something you see after a _estival when the parties over and gone home.. "

No. No they didn't. It was a 420 smoke in _estival. XR went and cleared it up. I'd appreciate it if you could spread the truth really that picture

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think extinction rebellion has gone too far and lost a lot of support over the last week

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I'm not detecting a lot of sympathy in Bristol for their antics this week.

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over a year ago


"I'm not detecting a lot of sympathy in Bristol for their antics this week.

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They had agreements from marvellous marv but then decided to overstep the boundary’s by blocking the m32 and approaching the MOD at Abby Wood causing so much mayhem way and above the limit agreed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm not detecting a lot of sympathy in Bristol for their antics this week.

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Everybody sympathies until it effects there daily routine.

It's human nature, there's a few on here that trumpet the green agenda but there just virtue signalling, given the choice of missing their flight to California or rebellion they'll choose the flight!.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The thing is, I get the feeling most people are on board with the issue they are trying to raise - the need to act to mitigate the effects of climate change.

I'm not sure what they hope to achieve by disrupting the everyday lives of ordinary by closing down motorways and the like.

How many people sitting in their cars in a tailback thought: "Wow, I'm going to take up their cause!"?

It's more likely to be counter-productive, a giant ego trip.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is no such thing as bad publicity .Just ask trump.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon


"They had a protest in Nottingham yesterday, where they blocked several key roads for a few minutes at a time. The cars just sat there and continued to spew their fumes into the atmosphere, so not entirely how that helped.

Disrupting public transport? Again, seems counter productive.

Not taking their protests to India, China and the USA. Surely that's where the biggest problems are. "

The UK is one of the cleanest countries in the G20, yet we think that replacing plastic straws with paper ones will make a big difference.

China alone is talking about opening up a new coal-fired power station EVERY TWO WEEKS until 2030!!!

Whilst any change towards recycled resources, and using renewable energy sources is a good thing, our efforts for the good of the environment are being dwarfed by the pollution from China, India, Africa and the USA.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think extinction rebellion has gone too far and lost a lot of support over the last week "

How far would be too far with regard to which species we allow to become extinct..???

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"They had a protest in Nottingham yesterday, where they blocked several key roads for a few minutes at a time. The cars just sat there and continued to spew their fumes into the atmosphere, so not entirely how that helped.

Disrupting public transport? Again, seems counter productive.

Not taking their protests to India, China and the USA. Surely that's where the biggest problems are.

The UK is one of the cleanest countries in the G20, yet we think that replacing plastic straws with paper ones will make a big difference.

China alone is talking about opening up a new coal-fired power station EVERY TWO WEEKS until 2030!!!

Whilst any change towards recycled resources, and using renewable energy sources is a good thing, our efforts for the good of the environment are being dwarfed by the pollution from China, India, Africa and the USA. "

You keep saying that.

The reality is it met its Paris commitments early.

It is churning out nuclear and solar at a rapid rate.

The first in the world to build and switch on the European reactors being built at Hinkley Point.

Pointing the finger at China really is dreaming up an excuse for doing nothing.

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"I think extinction rebellion has gone too far and lost a lot of support over the last week

How far would be too far with regard to which species we allow to become extinct..???"

Until things like palm oil production and mining more and more oils gas and world resources stop things will not change enough.

You can ban all the cars from the centre of cities and make them all green spaces and the only thing that will happen is shops ect will move out of town and the towns will die

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"I think extinction rebellion has gone too far and lost a lot of support over the last week

How far would be too far with regard to which species we allow to become extinct..???

Until things like palm oil production and mining more and more oils gas and world resources stop things will not change enough.

You can ban all the cars from the centre of cities and make them all green spaces and the only thing that will happen is shops ect will move out of town and the towns will die"

If you banned all cars from cities and drastically reduced air pollution then you could save tens of thousands of lives a year .Many of those lives children.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

If we were to ban motor transport from city centres, how would we blame cyclists for, well, everything?!

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over a year ago


"We are half way through the biggest extinction event in history nobody gives a fuck really.Just faux Outrage from some hipsters.

Carry on. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If we were to ban motor transport from city centres, how would we blame cyclists for, well, everything?!"

Just the fossil fuel polluting vehicles need to be banned to prevent some of the 60k deaths in the UK attributed to air pollution .

You can still abuse cyclists in electric vehicles.

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"If we were to ban motor transport from city centres, how would we blame cyclists for, well, everything?!

Just the fossil fuel polluting vehicles need to be banned to prevent some of the 60k deaths in the UK attributed to air pollution .

You can still abuse cyclists in electric vehicles."

It’s a great idea in principle and if someone can build a van that’s electric will do 300 miles in a day with all systems running that I could actually afford to buy and run while still making a living I would be right there.

At the moment it would cost more than I make

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

This 60,000 deaths, or is it 50,000 or maybe it's 100,000 (pluck any number you like out of thin air) that are attributed to or contributed to by air pollution.

Where does it come from?

One thing I have never seen is the term "caused by" Why? because nobody really has a clue, but attributed to (by who?) and contributed to are so vague that they can chuck around any old number they like without being properly challenged.

Here's an example: Myself and my brother in law built a nice new fence around one of our properties, so I "contributed" to it. By building that shiny new fence we both "contributed" to making the whole street look nicer, which in turn to a much lesser and decreasing degree made the town/region/country/continent/world a nicer place.

So where are these so called deaths on the scale of our fence?

Are they up there with the property itself (say a 50% contribution) or are they down there with the world? (a percentage so minuscule that it would be impossible to squeeze all the zero's on the page)

I would really love to see what answers you all come up with because so far I've not seen anyone who can get beyond the vague attributed and contributed to.

Oh! and while we are on about saving the planet. I remember when all the scientists were telling us that diesel was much better than petrol for C02 emissions (remember the dash for diesel?) yet now every greenie is spouting that all these horrible diesels are the main cause of climate change. So were the scientists wrong then?

I'm all for lowering pollution and making our cities cleaner places. However I will never support the zealots who want to sacrifice the livelihoods of millions on the altar of climate change.

Meanwhile China and India (among others) are laughing their socks off.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Have you tried breathing the air on New Delhi or Shanghai? I doubt it will make you laugh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If we were to ban motor transport from city centres, how would we blame cyclists for, well, everything?!

Just the fossil fuel polluting vehicles need to be banned to prevent some of the 60k deaths in the UK attributed to air pollution .

You can still abuse cyclists in electric vehicles.

It’s a great idea in principle and if someone can build a van that’s electric will do 300 miles in a day with all systems running that I could actually afford to buy and run while still making a living I would be right there.

At the moment it would cost more than I make

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I agree that is at present an issue but you know that wont always be the case.

New technologies become more and more affordable over time.As we all know if you've bought a of or a tv or mobile over the last 20 years..

It's as inevitable as the transition from horse power to steam to fossil fuels.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

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"Have you tried breathing the air on New Delhi or Shanghai? I doubt it will make you laugh."
exactly thats why the protesters should go and protest there, blocking the streets of London is not going to change anything in india or china.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Have you tried breathing the air on New Delhi or Shanghai? I doubt it will make you laugh."

I really do wonder who isn't in favour of their children and grand children breathing clean air ..

When Public Health England publishes air pollution evidence saying this year.

"Air pollution is the biggest environmental threat to health in the UK."

They also attributed 30,000 deaths a year from air pollution.

Who doesn't want clean air ..??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If we were to ban motor transport from city centres, how would we blame cyclists for, well, everything?!

Just the fossil fuel polluting vehicles need to be banned to prevent some of the 60k deaths in the UK attributed to air pollution .

You can still abuse cyclists in electric vehicles.

It’s a great idea in principle and if someone can build a van that’s electric will do 300 miles in a day with all systems running that I could actually afford to buy and run while still making a living I would be right there.

At the moment it would cost more than I make

I agree that is at present an issue but you know that wont always be the case.

New technologies become more and more affordable over time.As we all know if you've bought a of or a tv or mobile over the last 20 years..

It's as inevitable as the transition from horse power to steam to fossil fuels.

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Steam was created by fossil fuels bob

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Have you tried breathing the air on New Delhi or Shanghai? I doubt it will make you laugh."

Or Sheffield.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If we were to ban motor transport from city centres, how would we blame cyclists for, well, everything?!

Just the fossil fuel polluting vehicles need to be banned to prevent some of the 60k deaths in the UK attributed to air pollution .

You can still abuse cyclists in electric vehicles.

It’s a great idea in principle and if someone can build a van that’s electric will do 300 miles in a day with all systems running that I could actually afford to buy and run while still making a living I would be right there.

At the moment it would cost more than I make

I agree that is at present an issue but you know that wont always be the case.

New technologies become more and more affordable over time.As we all know if you've bought a of or a tv or mobile over the last 20 years..

It's as inevitable as the transition from horse power to steam to fossil fuels.

Steam was created by fossil fuels bob "
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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"Have you tried breathing the air on New Delhi or Shanghai? I doubt it will make you laugh."

Bangalore was bad enough, but that wasn't the point.

If you are happy to sacrifice our economy (and I mean the whole of Europe) by taxing people (and businesses) off the roads and businesses into oblivion then carry on.

The Chinese and Indians will just carry on regardless. To be fair their cities will be hell holes but as far as climate change goes, we all piss in the same pot.

By all means breathe you clean air, but one day it could be all you have left.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

You seem to think this is a zero sum game. It's not.

Both China and India are delivering on their commitments to the Paris accord.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"Have you tried breathing the air on New Delhi or Shanghai? I doubt it will make you laugh.

I really do wonder who isn't in favour of their children and grand children breathing clean air ..

When Public Health England publishes air pollution evidence saying this year.

"Air pollution is the biggest environmental threat to health in the UK."

They also attributed 30,000 deaths a year from air pollution.

Who doesn't want clean air ..??

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Here we go again. "Attributed to" By who? by what measure? to what degree? How many of the 30,000 (it was 60,000 further up the thread BTW) were smokers for example.

It's just vague bullshit. Come on put some meat on the bones. Lets see some real evidence on the subject, not just the opinion of some quango justifying its budget. How do they get to that (or any other) number?

Sounds more like the late Keith Waterhouse's character Arnold from the National Office for Guesswork to me.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"You seem to think this is a zero sum game. It's not.

Both China and India are delivering on their commitments to the Paris accord."

Oh yeah right. And their commitments were what exactly?

In Bangalore you were not allowed smoke in the street but thousands of Tuk Tuks were still burning 2 stoke, and the smouldering coal depot on the dockside that you could smell from 5 miles offshore. Sounds like a proper commitment to me NOT.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder why people think public health England are making up facts about air quality and deaths.

I suppose if it doesn't fit your climate deniers agenda it must be a lie.

Luckily all political parties are onboard with cleaning up the environment .Except the far right parties in Europe as can been seen clearly by the alt right fan boys here.

Luckily the moderates are in charge in Europe and the right wing extremists who will polllute at any cost are dwindling in number..

The future is green and clean for our children.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We shouldn't have foreign aid. We should be spending money here.... Why aren't brutish protesters protesting in shanghai?

Taxing ourselves to fund ecological change will kill our economy... Adding tarrifs will have no effect.

Now while it may be the same people aren't having the two contradictory thoughts, my sense is there's a some degree of correlation between the views.

Tho it is a bit of a strawman tbh.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"I wonder why people think public health England are making up facts about air quality and deaths.

I suppose if it doesn't fit your climate deniers agenda it must be a lie.

Luckily all political parties are onboard with cleaning up the environment .Except the far right parties in Europe as can been seen clearly by the alt right fan boys here.

Luckily the moderates are in charge in Europe and the right wing extremists who will polllute at any cost are dwindling in number..

The future is green and clean for our children.

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Not a climate change denier at all.

I actually believe that A. It is happening and B. Something has to be done to, at least, mitigate it.

What I don't subscribe to is all the hysterical nonsense that is being peddled by the green lobby that the politicians have swallowed hook,line and sinker.

FFS that stupid little girl from somewhere in the frozen north is now spouting that democracy should be abolished to save the planet.

Oh! BTW. Someone forgot to mention that a substantial chunk of the particulates that everybody seems to be blaming diesel for has got sod all to do with diesel. A huge percentage is from wear of frictional materials in cars (brakes, clutch, tyres Etc.) so no matter how many electric cars you put on the road they will still produce those.

Oh! Seeing as you like reports and statistics so much, here is something else.

A recent report in Germany estimates that the average electric car will need to do over 100,000 kms before it is carbon neutral, and that doesn't count the environmental issues caused by extracting the Lithium used for the batteries. So don't start polishing your halo just yet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wonder why people think public health England are making up facts about air quality and deaths.

I suppose if it doesn't fit your climate deniers agenda it must be a lie.

Luckily all political parties are onboard with cleaning up the environment .Except the far right parties in Europe as can been seen clearly by the alt right fan boys here.

Luckily the moderates are in charge in Europe and the right wing extremists who will polllute at any cost are dwindling in number..

The future is green and clean for our children.

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Piers Corbyn.... Far right extremist.... Pmsl.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What's the worse that can happen if those scientists are wrong.

We reduce deaths from air pollution

We live in a cleaner environment.

We breath cleaner air .

We all live longer..

It's a vote winner.Thats why every party has jumped on the green ticket and made pledges that wouldn't have happened a decade a go.

Change will be difficult for some older members of our community but they'll adapt like they did with the coming of digital age recently...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wonder why people think public health England are making up facts about air quality and deaths.

I suppose if it doesn't fit your climate deniers agenda it must be a lie.

Luckily all political parties are onboard with cleaning up the environment .Except the far right parties in Europe as can been seen clearly by the alt right fan boys here.

Luckily the moderates are in charge in Europe and the right wing extremists who will polllute at any cost are dwindling in number..

The future is green and clean for our children.

Piers Corbyn.... Far right extremist.... Pmsl. "

The anti Semitic guy with an interest weather ?? He's a bit nuts though and some of his views are extremists in nature.

A pinch of salt is required me thinks..

You've probably seen his conspiracy tin foil tweets

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"What's the worse that can happen if those scientists are wrong.

We reduce deaths from air pollution

We live in a cleaner environment.

We breath cleaner air .

We all live longer..

It's a vote winner.Thats why every party has jumped on the green ticket and made pledges that wouldn't have happened a decade a go.

Change will be difficult for some older members of our community but they'll adapt like they did with the coming of digital age recently...

"

We reduce deaths from air pollution. Maybe but first they need to prove how many are being killed by it in the first place.

We live in a cleaner environment. Probably true in the big cities but elsewhere the difference will be negligible.

We breath cleaner air. Answer as above.

We all live longer. I wouldn't count on that one (see below)

The one you missed out is that we will probably all be skint. To make such drastic changes and in such a short space of time would devastate the economy. When you get knifed in the street for a bag of potatoes at least your last breath will be clean.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't assume that everyone does twitter, face book etc....

Yes piers must be a right wing extremist then if he's antisemitic and disagrees with climate warming...just like his bro Jeremy. There are thousands of members of my trade union.... Some of whom are Labour activists that don't believe the religion of global change cooling / warming wotsit... They must be alt right extremists also.... Who knew?!

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

The demonstrators should all jump on a sailing boat and go over to India and China to protest there.

Watch out for the men in white shirts though!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What's the worse that can happen if those scientists are wrong.

We reduce deaths from air pollution

We live in a cleaner environment.

We breath cleaner air .

We all live longer..

It's a vote winner.Thats why every party has jumped on the green ticket and made pledges that wouldn't have happened a decade a go.

Change will be difficult for some older members of our community but they'll adapt like they did with the coming of digital age recently...

"
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I don't think that's true to be honest, the older section of society still remember what it was like to be born live work socialise marry have kids holiday and be buried in one town.

Anybody under 30 doesn't have clue, there all ready the most fragile in society (just look at their suicide rates and rates of mental illness).

Although one things for sure, it will kill or cure them, I'm just betting on the latter!.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Wreck the economy?

Have you seen the maps of Britain inundated by different rises in sea levels?

Do you think our economy will cope with the cost of evacuating and rebuilding all those villages, towns and cities on dry land?

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"If we were to ban motor transport from city centres, how would we blame cyclists for, well, everything?!

Just the fossil fuel polluting vehicles need to be banned to prevent some of the 60k deaths in the UK attributed to air pollution .

You can still abuse cyclists in electric vehicles.

It’s a great idea in principle and if someone can build a van that’s electric will do 300 miles in a day with all systems running that I could actually afford to buy and run while still making a living I would be right there.

At the moment it would cost more than I make

I agree that is at present an issue but you know that wont always be the case.

New technologies become more and more affordable over time.As we all know if you've bought a of or a tv or mobile over the last 20 years..

It's as inevitable as the transition from horse power to steam to fossil fuels.

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Of course it is, on that I fully agree.

But to put legally binding targets for technology that we haven't got yet is the height of stupidity or arrogance or both.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"Wreck the economy?

Have you seen the maps of Britain inundated by different rises in sea levels?

Do you think our economy will cope with the cost of evacuating and rebuilding all those villages, towns and cities on dry land?"

They've been telling us that for years, nay decades. Rising sea levels will shrink Britain by a half/third/quarter (pluck any fraction you like out of thin air) and guess what? apart from the coastal erosion on the east coast, which has been going on for centuries and is bugger all to do with rising sea levels, nothing has happened.

Even the little naturist cove we use in Spain, which is very susceptible to the slightest rise in sea level, has more sand on it now than ever.

In 1588 the village of Singleleton Thorpe along with the ancient forest of Amouderness (near Blackpool BTW) disappeared under the Irish sea never to be seen again.

I blame the Spanish Armada with all their diesel powered ships for it. Oh wait a minute.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"

But to put legally binding targets for technology that we haven't got yet is the height of stupidity or arrogance or both."

No, because it drives change and it drives innovation.

Our history is full of practices and techniques that we allowed, until we realised the harm they did and outlawed them.

This is no different.

Neither is the resistance of some people to change.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

But to put legally binding targets for technology that we haven't got yet is the height of stupidity or arrogance or both."

No, because it drives change and it drives innovation.

Funny you dont have the same opinion when it was suggested for the irish border.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

You cannot pass legislation in the Palace of Westminster to compel a foreign government (Ireland) or institution (the EU) to do something.

The comparison is ludicrous - are you suggesting the UK Parliament should pass an Act that prohibits any border infrastructure on the island of Ireland (i.e. it compels the UK Government to do something else?)

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"You cannot pass legislation in the Palace of Westminster to compel a foreign government (Ireland) or institution (the EU) to do something.

The comparison is ludicrous - are you suggesting the UK Parliament should pass an Act that prohibits any border infrastructure on the island of Ireland (i.e. it compels the UK Government to do something else?)

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And you can pass legislation to invent something that hasn't yet been invented?

Do you not see how ridiculous that is?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

You clearly do not understand the power of Parliament if that is what you believe.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Another £80 million today from the UK Government towards electric vehicles and hybrid aircraft.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

But to put legally binding targets for technology that we haven't got yet is the height of stupidity or arrogance or both.

No, because it drives change and it drives innovation.

Our history is full of practices and techniques that we allowed, until we realised the harm they did and outlawed them.

This is no different.

Neither is the resistance of some people to change.

"

Resistance is futile .The debate happened years ago the decisions needed to move over to EVs happened years ago.The manufacturers are all switching over to EVs .

The giga battery factories are coming online.The technologies may seem disruptive initially but that's always the case with innovative technology .

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"You clearly do not understand the power of Parliament if that is what you believe.

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I order you to invent a three pronged gangling pin that will cure cancer, solve climate change, and make humanity immortal. You will do it now, or else.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"

But to put legally binding targets for technology that we haven't got yet is the height of stupidity or arrogance or both.

No, because it drives change and it drives innovation.

Our history is full of practices and techniques that we allowed, until we realised the harm they did and outlawed them.

This is no different.

Neither is the resistance of some people to change.

Resistance is futile .The debate happened years ago the decisions needed to move over to EVs happened years ago.The manufacturers are all switching over to EVs .

The giga battery factories are coming online.The technologies may seem disruptive initially but that's always the case with innovative technology .

"

No it's not. The rush for electric will be like the dash for diesel.

In 10 or 20 years time we will be told that generating the power for all the electric cars is damaging the environment and either Hydrogen fuel cells will have turned the technological corner or driving a car will only be for the rich and privileged. Probably the later.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Another £80 million today from the UK Government towards electric vehicles and hybrid aircraft.

"
Thats good even more reason for the mob to sod off and protest in china or india.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

But to put legally binding targets for technology that we haven't got yet is the height of stupidity or arrogance or both.

No, because it drives change and it drives innovation.

Our history is full of practices and techniques that we allowed, until we realised the harm they did and outlawed them.

This is no different.

Neither is the resistance of some people to change.

Resistance is futile .The debate happened years ago the decisions needed to move over to EVs happened years ago.The manufacturers are all switching over to EVs .

The giga battery factories are coming online.The technologies may seem disruptive initially but that's always the case with innovative technology .

No it's not. The rush for electric will be like the dash for diesel.

In 10 or 20 years time we will be told that generating the power for all the electric cars is damaging the environment and either Hydrogen fuel cells will have turned the technological corner or driving a car will only be for the rich and privileged. Probably the later."

Now your talking about technology that doesn't exist .

So if hydrogen fuel cells are just around the corner then fusion is just around the corner to power all these EVs.

The price of a new electric VW golf around 30k .Comparabke to new petrol..

Same for model 3 tesla.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"

No it's not. The rush for electric will be like the dash for diesel.

In 10 or 20 years time we will be told that generating the power for all the electric cars is damaging the environment and either Hydrogen fuel cells will have turned the technological corner or driving a car will only be for the rich and privileged. Probably the later."

You raise an interesting point about the supply of electricity.

Energy policy right now is in a bit of a mess.

The switch to electric vehicles requires a huge increase in low-carbon generating capacity.

The price of wind is tumbling to levels no-one ever predicted.

But it is intermittent, so a firm base load is needed and that can fall only to nuclear.

But the Government has made a bit of a mess of the funding model and new build is stalling.

Look out for a consultation this week on a new funding model to tempt the big players from Japan and Korea back into the market.

We are going to need lots if the trains, planes and automobiles are going to be all electric.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What happens if we miss our self imposed targets? I'm guessing nothing would change from the day before to the day after.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The net zero target - we re-capture as much carbon as we emit - is written into law, so that now drives policy across Government departments.

I cannot see future governments changing it. If anything, accelerating it.

There is a raft of other legislation that outlaws a number of things - the installation of new gas boilers from 2025 or so, the sale of fossil fuel engines by 2040 or so.

In effect, the Government is using the levers of the state to create a new market for clean energy products to wean us off our addiction to fossil fuel.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They remind me of Jeremy Corbyn and his croonies. Another bunch of pricks who know things aren't right, have no idea how to solve it but moan when no one else solves it.

Put them in charge of reaching net zero targets, then we can all demonstrate against them when they fail abysmally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They remind me of nigel farage and his croonies. Another bunch of pricks who know things aren't right, have no idea how to solve it but moan when no one else solves it.

Put them in charge of brexit, then we can all demonstrate against them when they fail abysmally."

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon


"The net zero target - we re-capture as much carbon as we emit - is written into law, so that now drives policy across Government departments.

I cannot see future governments changing it. If anything, accelerating it.

There is a raft of other legislation that outlaws a number of things - the installation of new gas boilers from 2025 or so, the sale of fossil fuel engines by 2040 or so.

In effect, the Government is using the levers of the state to create a new market for clean energy products to wean us off our addiction to fossil fuel."

No new gas boilers?

So, what will replace ours if it goes faulty after 2025, bearing in mind the cost of putting in gas lines, meters and central heating a few years ago for us and all the houses around here to have gas?

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon


"Another £80 million today from the UK Government towards electric vehicles and hybrid aircraft.

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Wow, a whole 80 million quid, that will make a big difference....not.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

How much is an electric car these days?

I paid 800 quid for my vehicle, it's 22 years old, so it's probable that it's " greener" than any modern electric car, when you factor in the amount of energy and resources saved not buying a new car every few years.

Then there is the fact that, even a cheap electric car is way out of my budget, and will be for years.

Then there's the environmental cost of replacing the batteries every few years.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Industry is forecasting price parity within the next couple of years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Industry is forecasting price parity within the next couple of years."

Yeah price parity by 2022 and EVs will be cheaper than fossil fuel vehicles by 2030 .

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The Canadian military have a base called Alert high up in the Arctic.

The July average temp is 6-7 degrees. On Sunday, it hit a record high of 21 degrees.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Canadian military have a base called Alert high up in the Arctic.

The July average temp is 6-7 degrees. On Sunday, it hit a record high of 21 degrees.

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Thermometer was resting against the toaster apparently

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gas boilers to be fazed out and all electric ones installed, gas is cheaper so looks like we will all be hammered by the leccy companies from then on.

The poorest will be hit the hardest

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Gas boilers to be fazed out and all electric ones installed, gas is cheaper so looks like we will all be hammered by the leccy companies from then on.

The poorest will be hit the hardest "

Are you corgi registered ?

if so no problem as there will be money to be made in the switch over..

Always a silver lining.

Stay positive and be part of the solution.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Gas boilers to be fazed out and all electric ones installed, gas is cheaper so looks like we will all be hammered by the leccy companies from then on.

The poorest will be hit the hardest

Are you corgi registered ?

if so no problem as there will be money to be made in the switch over..

Always a silver lining.

Stay positive and be part of the solution."
You are a bit behind the times bob corgi went out in 2009 its the gas safe register now.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"Gas boilers to be fazed out and all electric ones installed, gas is cheaper so looks like we will all be hammered by the leccy companies from then on.

The poorest will be hit the hardest "

You do realise electricity is generated from gas?

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon


"Industry is forecasting price parity within the next couple of years."

Parity with what?

I can't afford a new car, can't really afford a nice 2nd hand one either, so "parity" is wasted on me.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Don't worry - when the next crash happens there will be another "cash for clunkers" scheme to turn you green.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon


"Don't worry - when the next crash happens there will be another "cash for clunkers" scheme to turn you green.

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Clunker?

I wouldn't describe it as that, and I certainly won't be getting rid of it for some battery powered go kart that will last all of five minutes before needing a new battery.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Gas boilers to be fazed out and all electric ones installed, gas is cheaper so looks like we will all be hammered by the leccy companies from then on.

The poorest will be hit the hardest

You do realise electricity is generated from gas?"

Yes I do thanks

But as I said the the cost of running an electric boiler will too much for a lot of people compared to a gas combi boiler

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Gas boilers to be fazed out and all electric ones installed, gas is cheaper so looks like we will all be hammered by the leccy companies from then on.

The poorest will be hit the hardest

You do realise electricity is generated from gas?

Yes I do thanks

But as I said the the cost of running an electric boiler will too much for a lot of people compared to a gas combi boiler

"

I thought electric radiators were cheaper and more efficient to run because all the electricity is converted to heat.

Pumping hot water around pipes to heat rads is surely less effective .

I can see how gas heating your hot water on demand is more efficient.We used to heat hot water tanks before and now combi boilers supply hot water on demand...

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr


"Mankind has become a bit of a cunt."

Has become? Always was. Everything comes to an end - and that includes mankind. Rebelling might postpone it a bit - maybe.

In the West, I'd be surprised if we've got another 200 years in us; given the extent of our physical and intellectual decline, so far, this century.

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over a year ago


"Gas boilers to be fazed out and all electric ones installed, gas is cheaper so looks like we will all be hammered by the leccy companies from then on.

The poorest will be hit the hardest

You do realise electricity is generated from gas?

Yes I do thanks

But as I said the the cost of running an electric boiler will too much for a lot of people compared to a gas combi boiler

I thought electric radiators were cheaper and more efficient to run because all the electricity is converted to heat.

Pumping hot water around pipes to heat rads is surely less effective .

I can see how gas heating your hot water on demand is more efficient.We used to heat hot water tanks before and now combi boilers supply hot water on demand...

"
.

He's not talking about efficiency though he's stating a fact that electricity per kw is around 13p where as gas is around 4p or just under a third of the cost, so if gas was 10% less efficient (which it is) your saving would still be 23%

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over a year ago


"Mankind has become a bit of a cunt.

Has become? Always was. Everything comes to an end - and that includes mankind. Rebelling might postpone it a bit - maybe.

In the West, I'd be surprised if we've got another 200 years in us; given the extent of our physical and intellectual decline, so far, this century."
.

The law of entropy applies to everything including humankind.

I would imagine your 200 years is rather on the optimistic side.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

there is a few hundred in london at the momment being the school holidays i thought there would be thousands on the streets seems as all them schoolkids are gona save us all and have been bunking off to protest.oh hang on they not getting a day off school for it to busy on there xbox or playstation.what a difference a schoolday makes.so its been left to the usual rent a mob

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over a year ago


"there is a few hundred in london at the momment being the school holidays i thought there would be thousands on the streets seems as all them schoolkids are gona save us all and have been bunking off to protest.oh hang on they not getting a day off school for it to busy on there xbox or playstation.what a difference a schoolday makes.so its been left to the usual rent a mob"

Now there's a surprise

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"

In the West, I'd be surprised if we've got another 200 years in us; given the extent of our physical and intellectual decline, so far, this century."

You may be right.

It took the species 100,000 years to reach 1 billion population (circa 1800).

It has taken us just another 200 years to reach 8 billion.

Where will we be even 100 years from now, and what does it mean in terms of our impact on the environment and the availability and use of resources?

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr


"

In the West, I'd be surprised if we've got another 200 years in us; given the extent of our physical and intellectual decline, so far, this century.

You may be right.

It took the species 100,000 years to reach 1 billion population (circa 1800).

It has taken us just another 200 years to reach 8 billion.

Where will we be even 100 years from now, and what does it mean in terms of our impact on the environment and the availability and use of resources?

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Yep. The population of the Earth has more than doubled in my lifetime. It's not looking good for us.

I've had all my optimism about mankind's future thrashed out of me since 2008.

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr


"I would imagine your 200 years is rather on the optimistic side."

Fair point. Maybe the Chinese won't want to give us that long.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"

In the West, I'd be surprised if we've got another 200 years in us; given the extent of our physical and intellectual decline, so far, this century.

You may be right.

It took the species 100,000 years to reach 1 billion population (circa 1800).

It has taken us just another 200 years to reach 8 billion.

Where will we be even 100 years from now, and what does it mean in terms of our impact on the environment and the availability and use of resources?

Yep. The population of the Earth has more than doubled in my lifetime. It's not looking good for us.

I've had all my optimism about mankind's future thrashed out of me since 2008."
Thats what happens when science takes over from natural selection.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Africa is where the natural population growth is primarily occurring.

Without sustained economic development, expect that to lead to increased migration of young adults.

We have seen in Europe the political tensions caused by rising migration.

Then you add climate change into the mix.

Who will accommodate the 80 million displaced persons when Bangladesh is inundated, for example.

These issues potentially pose the greatest threat to global peace and stability.

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