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"Don't worry, the 6,000,000 that signed the remain petition will all vote for, er, well, not the Brexit Party." Its ok, all the slightly less extreme UKip’ers are going to join Farage again, then he will leave when it all becomes too public and Tommy Robinson can join as an advisor... | |||
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"How does having anti EU MEP's help / assist the UK leaving the EU? " It doesn't really - it's a protest thing. | |||
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"I think the "just revoke article 50" morons need to take a long, hard look at themselves over this." Pray tell, why? | |||
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"I think the "just revoke article 50" morons need to take a long, hard look at themselves over this. Pray tell, why?" As Michael would sing "I'm starting with the man in the mirror " | |||
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"I think the "just revoke article 50" morons need to take a long, hard look at themselves over this. Pray tell, why?" Because it is their smug, middle class contempt for working class communities and voters that has played right into the hands of Farage. You seriously thought the message "let's just ignore the plebs, they are too thick/racist to be allowed to have a say, lets just overrule their votes and save the nation from their ignorance" would go down well? | |||
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"The people blocking the UK's exit are hardcore Brexiteers, those supposedly most in favour of leaving. The UK would be out by now were it not for them. " It is just an extreme right wing Tory wet dream - splitters as Life of Brian would say | |||
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"I think the "just revoke article 50" morons need to take a long, hard look at themselves over this. Pray tell, why? Because it is their smug, middle class contempt for working class communities and voters that has played right into the hands of Farage. You seriously thought the message "let's just ignore the plebs, they are too thick/racist to be allowed to have a say, lets just overrule their votes and save the nation from their ignorance" would go down well?" What is being overruled and by whom? Are you saying that it is not the DUP and ERG that have prevented the transition agreement and a negotiated exit? | |||
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"The people blocking the UK's exit are hardcore Brexiteers, those supposedly most in favour of leaving. The UK would be out by now were it not for them. It is just an extreme right wing Tory wet dream - splitters as Life of Brian would say " It's an easy cop-out. They have no plan of their own. So they just keep blocking the only plan on the table. None of them willing to bite the bullet and take responsibility. No Brexit will ever be pure enough for them. | |||
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"I think the "just revoke article 50" morons need to take a long, hard look at themselves over this. Pray tell, why? Because it is their smug, middle class contempt for working class communities and voters that has played right into the hands of Farage. You seriously thought the message "let's just ignore the plebs, they are too thick/racist to be allowed to have a say, lets just overrule their votes and save the nation from their ignorance" would go down well?" you "seem" to forget that it is the DUP and half of the conservative party that stopped this from happening... you also seem to think that the 52% should ride roughshod over the 48%... if this is ever going to work that approach was only ever going to get peoples backs up.... the brexit party have the hardline side of the arguement to themselves at this point in time.. because whenever anything bad is pointed out they just scream project fear the parties on the remain side need to come to some sort of consensus... because the biggest issue is if they end up splitting the vote, then farage is going to win in places he shouldn't.... we know the snp will win big in scotland.... and pro remain parties could win big in northern ireland.... if the greens/lib dems/change uk could come to an "agreement".... then its gets interesting the party that could be the biggest losers here are labour... because they are finally going to have to come off the fence | |||
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"I saw some of the propaganda from the launch of this, and I thought at the time it was pretty clever/sly (delete as applicable). The overarching message was one of betrayal by the political class, I had a feeling that it would resonate and it has. Compare and contrast to the ongoing clusterfuck that is the launch of "ChangeUk" (to be represented, quite aptly by an empty box, void of content as their logo hasn't been accepted by the electoral commission). Herein lies the danger of telling people that they will have a say and then utterly ignoring their wishes. Parliament has overwhelmingly remain MPs, and by failing to act, they are legitimising the far right. Poll results: BREXIT party: 27% Labour: 20% Conservative: 15% Green: 10% Lib Dem: 9% ChangeUK: 6%" I did not see any far right party in this poll | |||
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"I saw some of the propaganda from the launch of this, and I thought at the time it was pretty clever/sly (delete as applicable). The overarching message was one of betrayal by the political class, I had a feeling that it would resonate and it has. Compare and contrast to the ongoing clusterfuck that is the launch of "ChangeUk" (to be represented, quite aptly by an empty box, void of content as their logo hasn't been accepted by the electoral commission). Herein lies the danger of telling people that they will have a say and then utterly ignoring their wishes. Parliament has overwhelmingly remain MPs, and by failing to act, they are legitimising the far right. Poll results: BREXIT party: 27% Labour: 20% Conservative: 15% Green: 10% Lib Dem: 9% ChangeUK: 6%I did not see any far right party in this poll" ...well lets just go with Brexit, Conservative is falling in this space! | |||
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"Brevity will win by miles people voted to leave. Remains don't accept democracy. We voted to leave as water to run our own country nothing to do with money Really disappointed UK mot a in lord democracy anymore. Mps here to represent people Brevity will win by mikes NO SUP RISE" I could say something about brexiters and their incoherent ramblings but I think you've covered it ... | |||
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"I think I agree with Tom Watson: "We cannot just sit back and allow Nigel Farage to prosper with a backward-looking brand of politics that offers no solutions. Instead, we must offer a radical alternative based on our values, which speaks directly to the people we represent and demonstrates Labour has a way forward out of this crisis. "Labour won’t defeat Farage by being mealy-mouthed and sounding as if we half agree with him. We won’t beat him unless we can inspire the millions crying out for a different direction. We won’t win if we sit on the fence about the most crucial issue that has faced our country for a generation "The very least that Leavers and Remainers deserve is a final say – a confirmatory referendum – on any deal. They deserve a Labour party that offers clarity on this issue, as well as the radical vision for a new political economy achieved by working with our socialist allies inside the EU. And, above all, they deserve better than Nigel Farage’s promise of a far-right Brexit that would solve nothing." " farrage is what happens when the main partys dither one way or the other.my guess is majority who voted leave will vote for his party whereas most who voted remain are gona split there vote over the greens lib dems and the splitters ooops i meen change | |||
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"Doesn't matter what I think the vote will prove the point when brexit wins again!!! But childish remains will ignore democracy again" This vote proves fuck all so don't prematurely ejaculate just yet .No more than the local elections The inevitable second referendum will decided your destiny . | |||
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"It won't as you wont accept vote again Anger agreasive Imediation. .is that how democracy is now in Britain you should be ashamed" You're going to vote in the EU elections but won't vote in a second referendum .Thats a brilliant strategy Hopefully all brexiters do the same.. | |||
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"I think I agree with Tom Watson: "We cannot just sit back and allow Nigel Farage to prosper with a backward-looking brand of politics that offers no solutions. Instead, we must offer a radical alternative based on our values, which speaks directly to the people we represent and demonstrates Labour has a way forward out of this crisis. "Labour won’t defeat Farage by being mealy-mouthed and sounding as if we half agree with him. We won’t beat him unless we can inspire the millions crying out for a different direction. We won’t win if we sit on the fence about the most crucial issue that has faced our country for a generation "The very least that Leavers and Remainers deserve is a final say – a confirmatory referendum – on any deal. They deserve a Labour party that offers clarity on this issue, as well as the radical vision for a new political economy achieved by working with our socialist allies inside the EU. And, above all, they deserve better than Nigel Farage’s promise of a far-right Brexit that would solve nothing." " Labour have lost too many supporters in the Brexit voted heartlands because the majority of labour mps have gone against their constituents wishes and done what they can to stop Brexit happening , which they will never get back. So the majority will vote for the Brexit Party because they feel let down by labour Even a conciliatory vote won’t appease leavers unless remain is not an option on any ballot paper As for Corbyn/Abbott who the bloody he’ll would want them running the country never mind the economy I’ve voted labour all my life but this as got to be the worst Labour Party since Foot | |||
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"No problem 2nd referendum as will win as people disgusted even remainers that we didn't accept vote. Fact over 65o/of England voted to leave. If Scotland left UK vote wouldn't have been close " Nobody cares about facts or experts after seeing the big red bus. The only thing that is true is your gang are liars... | |||
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" If the EU want a trade agreement then they should be paying the UK for free entry to our market. We cant even take any EU criminal to a UK court. " On your first point, the UK has declared its intention to have zero tariffs on 85 per cent of imports. It's not the EU who pay tariffs, it's the export business. On your second point, I do not believe you. | |||
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"Bobbangs Most mps bend truths on most sides If your agrunment is can't trust mps that's truth but on both sides!!! Booberangs you need to work with people if you like just corbyn you agree to bullying antisemitism racisin and his judgment abbot can do job " Never voted labour in my life.Wouldnt vote for brexiters in any shape or form .The only violent behaviour was your friends who murdered joe cox MP.No remainers started killing people. I can't vote for racism.Thats your job not mine. I vote green and have done for over 20 years. Climate change is far more important than the brexiters xenophobic rhetoric and hogwash. | |||
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"You happy to be run by a foreign country. You could always emigrate" Conforming to some certain rules and standards while being a member of a trading bloc does not mean we are "ran by a foreign Country" The EU isn't a foreign country. We the UK are part of this so called "foreign country" that isn't one. The British government has voted against EU laws only 2% of the time since 1999 that have come into effect so we've agreed with a whopping 98% of them. This bullshit bollocks is trotted out so much by leavers that we're ran by a foreign power, country whatever against our will always on the receiving end of shit, it's fucking pathetic | |||
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"Cake and eat it seems that is what the EU are demanding from the UK. First point to consider is the EU export more into the UK than we export to the EU that means under WTO terms the EU will pay the UK more in tariffs. Next point is under WTO terms trade will sill flow between the UK and the EU as it is in the interests of the EU to keep that trade. Time to have a general election and get rid of the MPs that betrayed the leave vote by twisting it ie Mrs May and co. If the EU want a trade agreement then they should be paying the UK for free entry to our market. Next point about Mrs Mays list of EU demands they call a deal. It is not a deal as it does not tell us the peoples of the UK what they demand in the trade deal. So far all we have is a list of EU demands which they also demand we put into law leaving them in control of our world trade, We cant even take any EU criminal to a UK court. Explain how that can work in the UK with the Irish Republic handing out EU/Irish passports like confetti. We will then have to pay the EU court costs and costs of transport to the EU of EU criminals from pick pockets to murderers. Then we look at the EU web page which states the full cost the UK will pay is not £39 billion as many outstanding items are not included in this part of the EU demands. May hiding the full cost of her so called deal from the peoples of the UK. " About 60% of uk exports are with (or under trade deals via) the EU and so will start to attract tariffs when we go into WTO. For Germany, France, Italy, Spain, only 7% of exports are with the UK and so attract tarrifs under uk being in WTO. Who is going to feel the pain more. Who needs free trade access more ? | |||
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"Not bothered it's not about money its about control of own country" If we are taking our country back .Where did we leave it in the first place. | |||
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" Never voted labour in my life.Wouldnt vote for brexiters in any shape or form .The only violent behaviour was your friends who murdered joe cox MP.No remainers started killing people. I can't vote for racism.Thats your job not mine. I vote green and have done for over 20 years. Climate change is far more important than the brexiters xenophobic rhetoric and hogwash. " Bhhollocks. If you were that against Brexit, you'd have as much of an opinion on Corbyn and Labour as you do May and the Torys. You defend him at every turn and have never once pushed any green agenda on these forums. | |||
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"Not bothered it's not about money its about control of own country" that’s where we differ. I see the economy as being the biggest thing. As it puts food on our table, and determines the price. It pays for nurse and teachers and the police. All things we care about and need more about. | |||
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" Never voted labour in my life.Wouldnt vote for brexiters in any shape or form .The only violent behaviour was your friends who murdered joe cox MP.No remainers started killing people. I can't vote for racism.Thats your job not mine. I vote green and have done for over 20 years. Climate change is far more important than the brexiters xenophobic rhetoric and hogwash. Bhhollocks. If you were that against Brexit, you'd have as much of an opinion on Corbyn and Labour as you do May and the Torys. You defend him at every turn and have never once pushed any green agenda on these forums. " Hey its the what about Corbyn guy....Classic | |||
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" Never voted labour in my life.Wouldnt vote for brexiters in any shape or form .The only violent behaviour was your friends who murdered joe cox MP.No remainers started killing people. I can't vote for racism.Thats your job not mine. I vote green and have done for over 20 years. Climate change is far more important than the brexiters xenophobic rhetoric and hogwash. Bhhollocks. If you were that against Brexit, you'd have as much of an opinion on Corbyn and Labour as you do May and the Torys. You defend him at every turn and have never once pushed any green agenda on these forums. Hey its the what about Corbyn guy....Classic " Hey comrade, it isn't me that's failing here it's your party. | |||
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"Not bothered it's not about money its about control of own country that’s where we differ. I see the economy as being the biggest thing. As it puts food on our table, and determines the price. It pays for nurse and teachers and the police. All things we care about and need more about. " That's what sensible people worry about.Everyone wants long term prosperity and stability. | |||
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"You happy to be run by a foreign country. You could always emigrate" We're not run by a foreign country. Someone's told you that and you believe them. | |||
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"Not bothered it's not about money its about control of own country" Enjoy eating the flag | |||
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"Not bothered it's not about money its about control of own country" Hi Jon, what's your view on an independent Scotland and United Ireland? Don't you think they deserve that after we leave the EU? | |||
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"I think the "just revoke article 50" morons need to take a long, hard look at themselves over this. Pray tell, why? Because it is their smug, middle class contempt for working class communities and voters that has played right into the hands of Farage. You seriously thought the message "let's just ignore the plebs, they are too thick/racist to be allowed to have a say, lets just overrule their votes and save the nation from their ignorance" would go down well?" Completely get what you are saying. On the flip side though, I have lots of working class mates who want the fucker revoked, or never wanted brexit in the first place. Long haul lorry drivers. Unilever factory workers. People doing call centre work. Idk if these are working class or not, cause one leave campaigner told me if you're in full time employment youre basically middle class. Bit weird. | |||
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"The latest climate change protesters are no more than thugs...in line with bnp type ....by the way bnp have never had protests where in excess of 700 arrests....dont support either cause....all James blunts" I mean, that's a stretch, one group is fighting for Green Policies to be taken seriously and another group wants to cleanse Britain for the Whites,if you think those are the same then well, you do you. | |||
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"Scotland had a vote I believe in the UK.. not England " Don't you see the irony there? Scotland voted to stay because they mainly didn't want to deal with leaving the EU and reapplying, and Scotland voted to remain in the EU. Therefore haven't we breached our side of the deal and thus Scotland deserve another chance to vote? Besides if we're good enough to take back control and go on our own, surely Scotland and Ireland deserve that chance too, you're not a hypocrit are you? | |||
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"Scotland had a vote I believe in the UK.. not England I love Scottish and irish and Welsh. Don't like man u and Chelsea fans they can leave" Yes the final solution is always to kick out all those you don't like . | |||
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"You need to go back later to school for geography They are foreign sovereign states. I'm British Germany France different countries I thought schools were poor not that poor which national football team or ruby do u support" Wow, are you really this ignorant? Really, have a read what you've typed again very slowly , use Google if you struggle so much to understand what a country is. The EU isn't a country Laws and regulations come from the EU We the UK are part of the EU The EU isn't a country Germany is a country but cannot decide on a law and force us to implement it Laws and regulations come from the EU The EU isn't a country We the UK are part of the EU France is a country but cannot decide on a law and force us to implement it Laws and regulations come from the EU The EU isn't a country We the UK are part of the EU So, you insist we the UK are ran by a foreign country, who then? you sound like you know far more than me so tell us all | |||
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" Besides if we're good enough to take back control and go on our own, surely Scotland and Ireland deserve that chance too, you're not a hypocrit are you? " We haven't even left yet. The largest party in opposition can't make it's mind up on a second referendum never mind a Scottish one. If it has taken 3 years and no plan to arrive at a statement like this, then how long will it take for a statement on Scotland, N.Ireland Wales? And further, will England get a say given it's the break up of the union? It's Deputy leader has just called it's own leadership out for "sitting on the fence" and "being measly mouthed" - Farage is again just a catalyst. | |||
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"Not bothered it's not about money its about control of own country" So what happens when the country is in the hands of the bojo’s Rees moggs and Duncan smiths and not forgetting the Arron banks’s ? | |||
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"And further, will England get a say given it's the break up of the union?" England would have to plead its case again like back in 2014, only this time they can't bullshit about the EU and how being in a union is a good thing cause of the whole Brexit thing. | |||
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"Don't worry, the 6,000,000 that signed the remain petition will all vote for, er, well, not the Brexit Party." Maths not your strong point no? I reckon there'll be around 17 and a half million people who might be voting for Brexit supporting parties | |||
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"Don't worry, the 6,000,000 that signed the remain petition will all vote for, er, well, not the Brexit Party." And the 17.4 million will out number the 6 million | |||
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"Don't worry, the 6,000,000 that signed the remain petition will all vote for, er, well, not the Brexit Party. Maths not your strong point no? I reckon there'll be around 17 and a half million people who might be voting for Brexit supporting parties" You're probably right | |||
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"Summary last post. Remain only interested in money if eu more profitable ignore morals behaviours what county stands D's for money greed is good you sound like thatcher So everything has a price 30 pieces of silver. Next prime minster judas Sad country only concerned about money So summary remained only interested in money not what's right. And UK did well before we joined Europe since joined Europe 4 recessions!!! Hopefully ballot box will prevail" So you're happy with less money for the UK, fine, less for the NHS, less for schools, less for social care, less for benefits, less for police, less for housing, less for infrastructure, less for everything. That's all well and good, but what exactly do we get in addition to less of everything? oh.... I think I may know.... we stop that unknown foreign country running us Thank fuck we at least get rid of them for less of everything Who are they again? | |||
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"And the 17.4 million will out number the 6 million " You really think even a fraction of that 17.4 million or that 6 million will even vote now? It's a small scale thing for UK voters usually. | |||
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"Don't worry, the 6,000,000 that signed the remain petition will all vote for, er, well, not the Brexit Party. And the 17.4 million will out number the 6 million " The age demography of those who voted leave in 2016 indicates that they are no longer with us.. Not that I want another referendum personally.. | |||
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"Yes about 19 million now will vote leave" .....based upon the work of the same pollsters who were ever so correct at the past two elections and the referendum. Isn't that where the Remain side really fucked up time? Assuming that the average voter would see their utopia was a better vision to the majority than the utopian view of the Leavers? | |||
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"Costs only £25 to be a registered BREXIT Party supporter. I have to say that it is money well spent. " What's their manifesto? Other than Brexit, what do they plan to do? Their website is only asking for money, I don't see any ideas of direction apart from basically parting money from people. | |||
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"Costs only £25 to be a registered BREXIT Party supporter. I have to say that it is money well spent. What's their manifesto? Other than Brexit, what do they plan to do? Their website is only asking for money, I don't see any ideas of direction apart from basically parting money from people. " I bet they'll actually make one at some point, unlike the shambles that has been TIG.... | |||
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"Costs only £25 to be a registered BREXIT Party supporter. I have to say that it is money well spent. What's their manifesto? Other than Brexit, what do they plan to do? Their website is only asking for money, I don't see any ideas of direction apart from basically parting money from people. " And PayPal only.... | |||
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"Costs only £25 to be a registered BREXIT Party supporter. I have to say that it is money well spent. What's their manifesto? Other than Brexit, what do they plan to do? Their website is only asking for money, I don't see any ideas of direction apart from basically parting money from people. And PayPal only...." Proud supporter here! Mr x | |||
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"Fucking hell! I can’t believe that three years of patient explanation of why brexit is a shit idea backed up with real facts and figures and we still have donkeys braying about taking back control from a foreign country....amazing! " You don't listeN PEOPLE WANT TO LEAVE ACCEPT IT IT'S DEMOCRACY!!! | |||
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"Fucking hell! I can’t believe that three years of patient explanation of why brexit is a shit idea backed up with real facts and figures and we still have donkeys braying about taking back control from a foreign country....amazing! You don't listeN PEOPLE WANT TO LEAVE ACCEPT IT IT'S DEMOCRACY!!!" I have no problem that people want to leave at all. I've always said it was a democratic vote and it needs to be upheld. What I do challenge is the constant piss poor if not utterly ridiculous claims, statements and lies that Leavers give as to why we are leaving and once all those claims, statements and lies are shown to be what they are we always get the stock shouting down PEOPLE WANT TO LEAVE ACCEPT IT IT'S DEMOCRACY!!! Yeah I'm accepting democracy but it'd be nice to know a valid reason why and how we'll actually benefit instead of just being given a load of old bullshit lies. I don't think that's an unreasonable request. | |||
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"Costs only £25 to be a registered BREXIT Party supporter. I have to say that it is money well spent. What's their manifesto? Other than Brexit, what do they plan to do? Their website is only asking for money, I don't see any ideas of direction apart from basically parting money from people. I bet they'll actually make one at some point, unlike the shambles that has been TIG...." Ah, yes, TIG.....who are now officially 'Change UK'.... and want everything to stay the same. | |||
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"Fucking hell! I can’t believe that three years of patient explanation of why brexit is a shit idea backed up with real facts and figures and we still have donkeys braying about taking back control from a foreign country....amazing! " I didn't realise the EU was a country. And the facts and figures like "The immediate effect just by voting leave" 800,000 fewer employed? 18% drop in house prices? Immediate deep and profound recession? 6% drop in GDP? Immediate emergency £30 Billion tax raising budget? Inflation out of control? Wages decreasing? All within two years of us simply voting to leave. Those facts and figures? | |||
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"Record amount of people working fact" I'm not sure if you're a parody account trying your best to sound like a UK version of a Trump supporter or if you genuinely believe what you type. | |||
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"Valid reason we had vote Which you won't accept What do you do at work when you don't like things do u cry" No crying here mate but the truth stands, unlike you I don't lie and make up bullshit. I don't lie and say a foreign country runs the UK, that point has been made very clear to you but you won't accept you are wrong. Then the financial issue, you say you're not bothered about the economy of our country, so that obviously means that you are happy with less of every form of service this country needs, yes? It's a strange form of patriotism to be happy to potentially reduce investment and services that people need and not be interested in our countries economic prosperity all in the name of stopping a foreign country running us when there isn't one running us, but hey ho, at least we got there in the end, in a fashion | |||
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"The country will do well finialcialky without Europe that's why not worried .they may miss the billions we give them Were better with us. As they defend us against Russia " Now it just sounds like you're rambling, when you us do you mean the US? And you're claiming they've defended us against Russia? Uhhhh huhh | |||
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"Europe can't defend us agint Russia . USA can Had enough leaving thread." I'm sorry but what bs is this? You can't just make a stupid claim then walk off in a huff, stay, please explain your reasoning on this one. | |||
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"Europe can't defend us agint Russia . USA can Had enough leaving thread. One last thought if we have another referendum and you lose do we have a 3rd 4th till u win" We've voted to leave on a set of promises so we should be leaving, I don't want another referendum, I'd just like people like you to actually be able to decide why they voted to leave and what benefits they see that improves our country, but you don't seem able to do so | |||
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"Europe no army and always don't back us up No point debating as you don't accept vote and tell evertoney of a different opinions are wrong are you a teenager. Therefore no point. also you ever thought you may be wrong? " There is so much to unpack here, so first off... Are you saying we should go to war with Russia? That's why we'd need additional armies to "back us up". Second, I've not mentioned anything about the vote or "democracy" to you before. Thirdly, no, teenagers these days are being more pro-active with issues they support though. We're in our 20's, lets flip that question, are you one of those 45+ white men who make up a large amount of Brexit voters? And yes there's been times where we've been wrong but we've yet to be proven so with anything regarding Brexit, meanwhile nearly everything that was pointed out beforehand and was brushed off as "project fear" has happened, again, let's flip it, ever thought you might be wrong? When do we start seeing the proposed benefits? Even your almighty God Farage was on the news this morning stating that Britain will be poorer but "that's what they voted for". | |||
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"Also Europe mainland caused laSt 2 world wars" Yeah you're just rambling at this point you're playing a good game though with this act, though if you're serious then I'm worried for you because these posts are full of contradictions. | |||
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"Also Europe mainland caused laSt 2 world wars Yeah you're just rambling at this point you're playing a good game though with this act, though if you're serious then I'm worried for you because these posts are full of contradictions. " He's probably blissfully ignorant of the deluded ramblings that spews fourth from his mouth.Its incoherent at best. | |||
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"Also Europe mainland caused laSt 2 world wars Yeah you're just rambling at this point you're playing a good game though with this act, though if you're serious then I'm worried for you because these posts are full of contradictions. He's probably blissfully ignorant of the deluded ramblings that spews fourth from his mouth.Its incoherent at best." Pmsl Without doubt it could be better written, but I get what he's trying to say and agree... He seems very passionate and emotional, which in turn is making his post's a little unusual but I certainly admire his vision and ambition! Mr x | |||
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"Also Europe mainland caused laSt 2 world wars Yeah you're just rambling at this point you're playing a good game though with this act, though if you're serious then I'm worried for you because these posts are full of contradictions. He's probably blissfully ignorant of the deluded ramblings that spews fourth from his mouth.Its incoherent at best." What are u watching on children's tv | |||
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"Also Europe mainland caused laSt 2 world wars Yeah you're just rambling at this point you're playing a good game though with this act, though if you're serious then I'm worried for you because these posts are full of contradictions. He's probably blissfully ignorant of the deluded ramblings that spews fourth from his mouth.Its incoherent at best. What are u watching on children's tv" On here i am watching mr tumble give his views on brexit ..Entertaining | |||
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"Europe no army and always don't back us up No point debating as you don't accept vote and tell evertoney of a different opinions are wrong are you a teenager. Therefore no point. also you ever thought you may be wrong? " The brexit paradox. Centaur (I think, or maybe it was another brexit regular on here) would cite the “forthcoming Eu army” as a reason to vote leave. Here, it is the lack of army why should leave. | |||
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" Never voted labour in my life.Wouldnt vote for brexiters in any shape or form .The only violent behaviour was your friends who murdered joe cox MP.No remainers started killing people. I can't vote for racism.Thats your job not mine. I vote green and have done for over 20 years. Climate change is far more important than the brexiters xenophobic rhetoric and hogwash. Bhhollocks. If you were that against Brexit, you'd have as much of an opinion on Corbyn and Labour as you do May and the Torys. You defend him at every turn and have never once pushed any green agenda on these forums. " Where you been? Bob is always pushing his Green agenda. I often disagree with him on some of the points he makes but to try to argue he's never made them is just crazy. | |||
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" Also Europe mainland caused laSt 2 world wars " The raison d'etre of European Union - peaceful prosperity through co-operation instead of militarised borders and confrontation. | |||
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"Europe no army and always don't back us up No point debating as you don't accept vote and tell evertoney of a different opinions are wrong are you a teenager. Therefore no point. also you ever thought you may be wrong? " My posts have only highlighted your errors or consequences of your beliefs then you simply shout back about DEMOCRACY It's you that is unable to debate not me. You come out with 100% rubbish straight from the Daily mail type headlines but can't accept it's plain and simple wrong. You also can't grasp the simple fact I keep saying that we should leave since that's what the democratic vote said but you still can't give and support any proper logical reasons that won't damage the country by doing so. We're leaving because a foreign country runs us you said, I explained you are wrong, why I needed to anyway is mind numbing. You said you didn't care about the economy etc then you switched track and said we'd be better off without saying how. Nice debating | |||
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"I saw some of the propaganda from the launch of this, and I thought at the time it was pretty clever/sly (delete as applicable). The overarching message was one of betrayal by the political class, I had a feeling that it would resonate and it has. Compare and contrast to the ongoing clusterfuck that is the launch of "ChangeUk" (to be represented, quite aptly by an empty box, void of content as their logo hasn't been accepted by the electoral commission). Herein lies the danger of telling people that they will have a say and then utterly ignoring their wishes. Parliament has overwhelmingly remain MPs, and by failing to act, they are legitimising the far right. Poll results: BREXIT party: 27% Labour: 20% Conservative: 15% Green: 10% Lib Dem: 9% ChangeUK: 6%" Sorry to say this remainers but Farage will win, think If labour, green, lib dems change uk joined together 45% Tories and brexit party 42% So tell me leavers you want to be under represented again? | |||
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"Valid reason we had vote Which you won't accept What do you do at work when you don't like things do u cry No crying here mate but the truth stands, unlike you I don't lie and make up bullshit. I don't lie and say a foreign country runs the UK, that point has been made very clear to you but you won't accept you are wrong. Then the financial issue, you say you're not bothered about the economy of our country, so that obviously means that you are happy with less of every form of service this country needs, yes? It's a strange form of patriotism to be happy to potentially reduce investment and services that people need and not be interested in our countries economic prosperity all in the name of stopping a foreign country running us when there isn't one running us, but hey ho, at least we got there in the end, in a fashion " To be perfectly fair, not one person in this whole nation who voted to leave OWES you an explanation as to why they voted the way they did. The fact is that more voted to leave than voted to remain and you must accept that. The fact that you demand explanations proves that you are having difficulty with that. I didn't agree with the General election results of 1997, 2001 and 2005, but I understand that we live in a democracy and had to accept the result. | |||
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" Never voted labour in my life.Wouldnt vote for brexiters in any shape or form .The only violent behaviour was your friends who murdered joe cox MP.No remainers started killing people. I can't vote for racism.Thats your just ob not mine. I vote green and have done for over 20 years. Climate change is far more important than the brexiters xenophobic rhetoric and hogwash. Bhhollocks. If you were that against Brexit, you'd have as much of an opinion on Corbyn and Labour as you do May and the Torys. You defend him at every turn and have never once pushed any green agenda on these forums. Where you been? Bob is always pushing his Green agenda. I often disagree with him on some of the points he makes but to try to argue he's never made them is just crazy. " There are only 2 or three green voters on here.All the regulars know which way each other vote or where they are on the political spectrum. | |||
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" Never voted labour in my life.Wouldnt vote for brexiters in any shape or form .The only violent behaviour was your friends who murdered joe cox MP.No remainers started killing people. I can't vote for racism.Thats your job not mine. I vote green and have done for over 20 years. Climate change is far more important than the brexiters xenophobic rhetoric and hogwash. Bhhollocks. If you were that against Brexit, you'd have as much of an opinion on Corbyn and Labour as you do May and the Torys. You defend him at every turn and have never once pushed any green agenda on these forums. Where you been? Bob is always pushing his Green agenda. I often disagree with him on some of the points he makes but to try to argue he's never made them is just crazy. " If there is any Green agenda being pushed then I've not seen it. No solar farms, no Environmentalist lawyers dying, no Bloomberg paying the UN 2yrs running. If he is so annoyed with any party that has endorsed Brexit you'd would see a fairer party viewpoint, you don't. What I have seen is no questioning of Corbyns leadership, plans, policies or tactics just acceptance and excuses. There is only party able to get a referendum and have brexit off the table, that is Labour and he wouldn't vote for it cos...? | |||
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"17 bigger than 6...unless you went to remain school Glory glory man United!!! Man u have left europe" In terms of petitions is was 6m to 600k (the Leave petition running st the same time). That is a more accurate reflection of levels of interest. As you know the 17.4m was inflated due to the Brexit lies. | |||
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" Never voted labour in my life.Wouldnt vote for brexiters in any shape or form .The only violent behaviour was your friends who murdered joe cox MP.No remainers started killing people. I can't vote for racism.Thats your job not mine. I vote green and have done for over 20 years. Climate change is far more important than the brexiters xenophobic rhetoric and hogwash. Bhhollocks. If you were that against Brexit, you'd have as much of an opinion on Corbyn and Labour as you do May and the Torys. You defend him at every turn and have never once pushed any green agenda on these forums. Where you been? Bob is always pushing his Green agenda. I often disagree with him on some of the points he makes but to try to argue he's never made them is just crazy. If there is any Green agenda being pushed then I've not seen it. No solar farms, no Environmentalist lawyers dying, no Bloomberg paying the UN 2yrs running. If he is so annoyed with any party that has endorsed Brexit you'd would see a fairer party viewpoint, you don't. What I have seen is no questioning of Corbyns leadership, plans, policies or tactics just acceptance and excuses. There is only party able to get a referendum and have brexit off the table, that is Labour and he wouldn't vote for it cos...?" Ad hominem much...I will always vote green .Corbyn doesn't float my boat he's ok and I think he's honest but to old really .You paint with a broad brush to be taken seriously from what I've seen .There are real corbyn supporters on here I'm just not one no matter how you much you want it to be so. | |||
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" Never voted labour in my life.Wouldnt vote for brexiters in any shape or form .The only violent behaviour was your friends who murdered joe cox MP.No remainers started killing people. I can't vote for racism.Thats your job not mine. I vote green and have done for over 20 years. Climate change is far more important than the brexiters xenophobic rhetoric and hogwash. Bhhollocks. If you were that against Brexit, you'd have as much of an opinion on Corbyn and Labour as you do May and the Torys. You defend him at every turn and have never once pushed any green agenda on these forums. Where you been? Bob is always pushing his Green agenda. I often disagree with him on some of the points he makes but to try to argue he's never made them is just crazy. If there is any Green agenda being pushed then I've not seen it. No solar farms, no Environmentalist lawyers dying, no Bloomberg paying the UN 2yrs running. If he is so annoyed with any party that has endorsed Brexit you'd would see a fairer party viewpoint, you don't. What I have seen is no questioning of Corbyns leadership, plans, policies or tactics just acceptance and excuses. There is only party able to get a referendum and have brexit off the table, that is Labour and he wouldn't vote for it cos...?" Because, currently, Labour's official policy is to Leave the EU and Bob, like me, wants to Remain. A vote for Labour in the Euro Elections is a vote to Leave and, just like Leavers did after the 2017 general election where they claim that 80% of voters voted for Leave because the they voted Conservative, Labour or UKIP, they will claim the same after the EU elections too. I can understand that in a General Election and even in the local elections there are other things to take into consideration that maybe more important to voters rather than BREXIT but in the Euro Elections what could possibly be more important then whether we Leave or Remain in the EU. If you're in favour of Remaining then you should vote LibDem, Green, Plaid Cymru, SNP or ChangeUK, anything else is a vote to Leave. | |||
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" Never voted labour in my life.Wouldnt vote for brexiters in any shape or form .The only violent behaviour was your friends who murdered joe cox MP.No remainers started killing people. I can't vote for racism.Thats your job not mine. I vote green and have done for over 20 years. Climate change is far more important than the brexiters xenophobic rhetoric and hogwash. Bhhollocks. If you were that against Brexit, you'd have as much of an opinion on Corbyn and Labour as you do May and the Torys. You defend him at every turn and have never once pushed any green agenda on these forums. Where you been? Bob is always pushing his Green agenda. I often disagree with him on some of the points he makes but to try to argue he's never made them is just crazy. If there is any Green agenda being pushed then I've not seen it. No solar farms, no Environmentalist lawyers dying, no Bloomberg paying the UN 2yrs running. If he is so annoyed with any party that has endorsed Brexit you'd would see a fairer party viewpoint, you don't. What I have seen is no questioning of Corbyns leadership, plans, policies or tactics just acceptance and excuses. There is only party able to get a referendum and have brexit off the table, that is Labour and he wouldn't vote for it cos...? Ad hominem much...I will always vote green .Corbyn doesn't float my boat he's ok and I think he's honest but to old really .You paint with a broad brush to be taken seriously from what I've seen .There are real corbyn supporters on here I'm just not one no matter how you much you want it to be so. " no thumb? | |||
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" Never voted labour in my life.Wouldnt vote for brexiters in any shape or form .The only violent behaviour was your friends who murdered joe cox MP.No remainers started killing people. I can't vote for racism.Thats your job not mine. I vote green and have done for over 20 years. Climate change is far more important than the brexiters xenophobic rhetoric and hogwash. Bhhollocks. If you were that against Brexit, you'd have as much of an opinion on Corbyn and Labour as you do May and the Torys. You defend him at every turn and have never once pushed any green agenda on these forums. Where you been? Bob is always pushing his Green agenda. I often disagree with him on some of the points he makes but to try to argue he's never made them is just crazy. If there is any Green agenda being pushed then I've not seen it. No solar farms, no Environmentalist lawyers dying, no Bloomberg paying the UN 2yrs running. If he is so annoyed with any party that has endorsed Brexit you'd would see a fairer party viewpoint, you don't. What I have seen is no questioning of Corbyns leadership, plans, policies or tactics just acceptance and excuses. There is only party able to get a referendum and have brexit off the table, that is Labour and he wouldn't vote for it cos...? Because, currently, Labour's official policy is to Leave the EU and Bob, like me, wants to Remain. A vote for Labour in the Euro Elections is a vote to Leave and, just like Leavers did after the 2017 general election where they claim that 80% of voters voted for Leave because the they voted Conservative, Labour or UKIP, they will claim the same after the EU elections too. I can understand that in a General Election and even in the local elections there are other things to take into consideration that maybe more important to voters rather than BREXIT but in the Euro Elections what could possibly be more important then whether we Leave or Remain in the EU. If you're in favour of Remaining then you should vote LibDem, Green, Plaid Cymru, SNP or ChangeUK, anything else is a vote to Leave. " Labours position is the softest of all brexits with environment being top of the list - Corbyn voted remain and No deal is off the table. Labour as a party don't really want to exit. Watson has just said they should offer a vote on a Labour brexit. So with the house being 500+ remain inclined MP's, the likelihood of a brexit under Labour would be slim especially if offered to the people, as the options would be to deal or remain. Why wouldn't remainers and Greens vote Labour. | |||
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"The country will do well finialcialky without Europe that's why not worried .they may miss the billions we give them Were better with us. As they defend us against Russia " If you could point to the financial forecasts that project this, with their credible justification of such an achievement, it would be reasonable to discuss. As it stands, most of those who campaigned 3 years ago, lied very heavily, used illegal activities to manipulate peoples thinking and took advantage of a country wrakened after years of austerity and cuts that disproportionately targeted the poorer amongst us. | |||
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"All mps break promises also No to defend so from Russia When your 50 and been thru life. You may have changed. 50 years Europe 4 major recessions thank you Europe Also Europe mainland caused laSt 2 world wars Bye You can put ceebies back on now" Well you know what, age is supposed to bring wisdom and I’m damned if I can see any in your posts yet but then, thats the trouble with leavers isn’t it - back of a fag packet sums that don’t add up! Oh and please don't trot out that we won so lump it argument like so many of you do because you cheated and that is the bottom line. If you cant see that this is all because we have had a shit tory austerity government for ten years who blamed everything they did on europe and immigrants then you need to take a long hard look at yourself. You’ve been fed lies and bullshit telling you that its the fault of other people in order to cover up the useless cretinous government we have and now when they have realised that they have tun out of road and are back pedalling for dear life along comes everyones closet fascist Nige who does not have a fucking clue but loves the sound of his own voice in the European Parliament when he bothers to turn up. I bet you one thing about that two faced weasel - that he will happily take his EU pension even though he has done his best to destroy it! The man is a charlatan and more fool all the donkeys who support him! Disgusting! | |||
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"Brevity will win by miles people voted to leave. Remains don't accept democracy. We voted to leave as water to run our own country nothing to do with money Really disappointed UK mot a democracy anymore. Mps here to represent people Brevity will win by mikes NO SUP RISE" Most people did not care about the EU before the referendum. Remain provided a Conservative Central Office Campaign of fear as it usually does. Leave made promises that cannot be kept, and lied and cheated. You can check a few of your "facts" on a site called fullfact. You will not believe them if they disagree with you of course. Most people could not see any purpose in the referendum but voted on the information available. This information was of exceptionally poor quality. The promises of everything being easy and getting exactly the same terms as before at no cost are now, clearly, untrue. You have to be committed to something to go through hardship to achieve it. You have to see a tangible benefit. Only a tiny proportion of the 52% who voted to leave have this level of commitment. They probably won't vote for the Brexit Party because they just don't care enough. They probably won't vote for leave again for the same reason. Leave, however, won the referendum. As we live in a democracy the elected government duly decided to try and deliver the undeliverable Brexit promise. They had a general election which failed to back their plan. They continued anyway. Because we live in a democracy Parliament must back the government plan. It has been Brexit supporters who have stood in the way. Because we live in a democracy there should be no harm in having a vote on the final deal. Is it what was promised? If not, is it good enough? We have a democracy that is working just as well as it can considering it's tasked with delivering something that nobody has defined to only 52% of the country every one of which voted for a different version of Brexit means Brexit. Remember that 48% didn't want any of this to happen at all. There is no reason at all for them to quietly accept something that they don't like. Many of them do not have a particularly great love of the EU or are passionate about it. However, they seem to be more pragmatic. They see no benefit it leaving and probably a lot of negatives. The last three years are likely to have reinforced that view. The majority of the young support remain and the old support leave. More old people have died. More young people can now vote. The result of this depends on who votes in local elections, EU elections and the next general election. We do know that hate and fear of foreigners works better than fear of being poorer though. Until people actually feel poorer... | |||
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