FabSwingers.com forum: BREXIT Party leads in European Election Polls

By *imiUK OP Man
over a year ago

Newbury

I saw some of the propaganda from the launch of this, and I thought at the time it was pretty clever/sly (delete as applicable). The overarching message was one of betrayal by the political class, I had a feeling that it would resonate and it has.

Compare and contrast to the ongoing clusterfuck that is the launch of "ChangeUk" (to be represented, quite aptly by an empty box, void of content as their logo hasn't been accepted by the electoral commission).

Herein lies the danger of telling people that they will have a say and then utterly ignoring their wishes.

Parliament has overwhelmingly remain MPs, and by failing to act, they are legitimising the far right.

Poll results:

BREXIT party: 27%

Labour: 20%

Conservative: 15%

Green: 10%

Lib Dem: 9%

ChangeUK: 6%

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By *imiUK OP Man
over a year ago

Newbury

To add: this is within one week of their launch.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

Don't worry, the 6,000,000 that signed the remain petition will all vote for, er, well, not the Brexit Party.

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Chudleigh

"Don't worry, the 6,000,000 that signed the remain petition will all vote for, er, well, not the Brexit Party."

Its ok, all the slightly less extreme UKip’ers are going to join Farage again, then he will leave when it all becomes too public and Tommy Robinson can join as an advisor...

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

As stated by the OP, this party is pitched as "anti-establishment" and is now talking about "stolen democracy".

The EU economic argument has been forgotten as has the entire reasoning for leaving the EU.

This is still "Brexit means Brexit" plus "cake and eat it" with no solution.

Lots of publicity but no actual answers to the difficult stuff.

Considering that Labour is a soft Brexit party tending to remain the totals add up much the same as the referendum.

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By *imiUK OP Man
over a year ago

Newbury

I think the "just revoke article 50" morons need to take a long, hard look at themselves over this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How does having anti EU MEP's help / assist the UK leaving the EU?

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By *imiUK OP Man
over a year ago

Newbury

"How does having anti EU MEP's help / assist the UK leaving the EU?

It doesn't really - it's a protest thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How does having anti EU MEP's help / assist the UK leaving the EU?

It doesn't really - it's a protest thing. "

Thought so, unless there was something glaringly obvious I was missing

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Chudleigh

"I think the "just revoke article 50" morons need to take a long, hard look at themselves over this."

Pray tell, why?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So remain are legitimising the far right

Which isn't a terrible thing really because they are better out in the sunlight than under a stone with Machiavellian intent.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The people blocking the UK's exit are hardcore Brexiteers, those supposedly most in favour of leaving.

The UK would be out by now were it not for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think the "just revoke article 50" morons need to take a long, hard look at themselves over this.

Pray tell, why?"

As Michael would sing "I'm starting with the man in the mirror "

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By *imiUK OP Man
over a year ago

Newbury

"I think the "just revoke article 50" morons need to take a long, hard look at themselves over this.

Pray tell, why?"

Because it is their smug, middle class contempt for working class communities and voters that has played right into the hands of Farage.

You seriously thought the message "let's just ignore the plebs, they are too thick/racist to be allowed to have a say, lets just overrule their votes and save the nation from their ignorance" would go down well?

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Chudleigh

"The people blocking the UK's exit are hardcore Brexiteers, those supposedly most in favour of leaving.

The UK would be out by now were it not for them.

It is just an extreme right wing Tory wet dream - splitters as Life of Brian would say

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"I think the "just revoke article 50" morons need to take a long, hard look at themselves over this.

Pray tell, why?

Because it is their smug, middle class contempt for working class communities and voters that has played right into the hands of Farage.

What is being overruled and by whom?

Are you saying that it is not the DUP and ERG that have prevented the transition agreement and a negotiated exit?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"The people blocking the UK's exit are hardcore Brexiteers, those supposedly most in favour of leaving.

The UK would be out by now were it not for them.

It is just an extreme right wing Tory wet dream - splitters as Life of Brian would say

It's an easy cop-out.

They have no plan of their own.

So they just keep blocking the only plan on the table.

None of them willing to bite the bullet and take responsibility.

No Brexit will ever be pure enough for them.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

A WORKING class man actually believes that someone called Annunziata Rees-Mogg relates to him and has his best interests at heart.

Wayne Hayes, who lives in Doncaster and drives a forklift, is wholeheartedly behind the politician and her totally genuine and in no way cynical push for Brexit on his behalf.

Hayes said: “We’re basically the same. She didn’t go to university either.

“So what if she had a bit of help from her old man along the way? My dad lent me his car last week when mine was up on bricks. Same thing.

“And just like her when she failed to win the seat of Somerton and Frome, I fuck up at my job constantly. I reckon she’d really get around me and my mates, and we’ll take her to the boozer when she comes here.”

Annunziata, which is Latin for ‘peasant eviscerater’, has yet to visit Hayes’ constituency as she is demanding they corral all the local poors into an out-of-town leisure centre before she arrives.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"I think the "just revoke article 50" morons need to take a long, hard look at themselves over this.

Pray tell, why?

Because it is their smug, middle class contempt for working class communities and voters that has played right into the hands of Farage.

you "seem" to forget that it is the DUP and half of the conservative party that stopped this from happening...

you also seem to think that the 52% should ride roughshod over the 48%... if this is ever going to work that approach was only ever going to get peoples backs up....

the brexit party have the hardline side of the arguement to themselves at this point in time.. because whenever anything bad is pointed out they just scream project fear

the parties on the remain side need to come to some sort of consensus... because the biggest issue is if they end up splitting the vote, then farage is going to win in places he shouldn't....

we know the snp will win big in scotland.... and pro remain parties could win big in northern ireland....

if the greens/lib dems/change uk could come to an "agreement".... then its gets interesting

the party that could be the biggest losers here are labour... because they are finally going to have to come off the fence

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Chudleigh

This is sadly where Corbyn has let us, and himself down - if he supported Remain he’d be a shoe in!

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"I saw some of the propaganda from the launch of this, and I thought at the time it was pretty clever/sly (delete as applicable). The overarching message was one of betrayal by the political class, I had a feeling that it would resonate and it has.

Herein lies the danger of telling people that they will have a say and then utterly ignoring their wishes.

Parliament has overwhelmingly remain MPs, and by failing to act, they are legitimising the far right.

Poll results:

BREXIT party: 27%

Labour: 20%

Conservative: 15%

Green: 10%

Lib Dem: 9%

ChangeUK: 6%"
I did not see any far right party in this poll

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Chudleigh

Herein lies the danger of telling people that they will have a say and then utterly ignoring their wishes.

Parliament has overwhelmingly remain MPs, and by failing to act, they are legitimising the far right.

Poll results:

BREXIT party: 27%

Labour: 20%

Conservative: 15%

Green: 10%

Lib Dem: 9%

ChangeUK: 6%I did not see any far right party in this poll"

...well lets just go with Brexit, Conservative is falling in this space!

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I think I agree with Tom Watson:

"We cannot just sit back and allow Nigel Farage to prosper with a backward-looking brand of politics that offers no solutions. Instead, we must offer a radical alternative based on our values, which speaks directly to the people we represent and demonstrates Labour has a way forward out of this crisis.

"Labour won’t defeat Farage by being mealy-mouthed and sounding as if we half agree with him. We won’t beat him unless we can inspire the millions crying out for a different direction. We won’t win if we sit on the fence about the most crucial issue that has faced our country for a generation

"The very least that Leavers and Remainers deserve is a final say – a confirmatory referendum – on any deal. They deserve a Labour party that offers clarity on this issue, as well as the radical vision for a new political economy achieved by working with our socialist allies inside the EU. And, above all, they deserve better than Nigel Farage’s promise of a far-right Brexit that would solve nothing."

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

Brevity will win by miles people voted to leave.

Remains don't accept democracy.

We voted to leave as water to run our own country nothing to do with money

Really disappointed UK mot a democracy anymore.

Mps here to represent people

Brevity will win by mikes NO SUP RISE

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

Think need a new phone !!! Mistyped

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Brevity will win by miles people voted to leave.

Remains don't accept democracy.

We voted to leave as water to run our own country nothing to do with money

Really disappointed UK mot a in lord democracy anymore.

Mps here to represent people

Brevity will win by mikes NO SUP RISE"

I could say something about brexiters and their incoherent ramblings but I think you've covered it ...

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

You happy to be run by a foreign country.

You could always emigrate

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

Doesn't matter what I think the vote will prove the point when brexit wins again!!!

But childish remains will ignore democracy again

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"I think I agree with Tom Watson:

farrage is what happens when the main partys dither one way or the other.my guess is majority who voted leave will vote for his party whereas most who voted remain are gona split there vote over the greens lib dems and the splitters ooops i meen change

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

Denial again!!!!

Except farage a figure head.

People want to leave and remains try and bully leavers.

This country fought 2 wars for freedom of speachh and democracy

This country is finished which makes me sad there is no morals no just all people want is money. If you get more money you would vote for anything.... very very sad way to live

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Doesn't matter what I think the vote will prove the point when brexit wins again!!!

But childish remains will ignore democracy again"

This vote proves fuck all so don't prematurely ejaculate just yet .No more than the local elections The inevitable second referendum will decided your destiny .

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

It won't as you wont accept vote again

Anger agreasive Imediation.

.is that how democracy is now in Britain you should be ashamed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It won't as you wont accept vote again

Anger agreasive Imediation.

.is that how democracy is now in Britain you should be ashamed"

You're going to vote in the EU elections but won't vote in a second referendum .Thats a brilliant strategy Hopefully all brexiters do the same..

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

No problem 2nd referendum as will win as people disgusted even remainers that we didn't accept vote.

Fact over 65o/of England voted to leave.

If Scotland left UK vote wouldn't have been close

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By *ave 42Man
over a year ago

pontefract

"I think I agree with Tom Watson:

Labour have lost too many supporters in the Brexit voted heartlands because the majority of labour mps have gone against their constituents wishes and done what they can to stop Brexit happening , which they will never get back.

So the majority will vote for the Brexit Party because they feel let down by labour

Even a conciliatory vote won’t appease leavers unless remain is not an option on any ballot paper

As for Corbyn/Abbott who the bloody he’ll would want them running the country never mind the economy

I’ve voted labour all my life but this as got to be the worst Labour Party since Foot

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No problem 2nd referendum as will win as people disgusted even remainers that we didn't accept vote.

Fact over 65o/of England voted to leave.

If Scotland left UK vote wouldn't have been close

Nobody cares about facts or experts after seeing the big red bus.

The only thing that is true is your gang are liars...

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

Dave

Well said

Abbot say no more . Corbyn is as bad as may which is not a compliment

Dave thank you

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By *ertwoCouple
over a year ago

omagh

Cake and eat it seems that is what the EU are demanding from the UK.

First point to consider is the EU export more into the UK than we export to the EU that means under WTO terms the EU will pay the UK more in tariffs. Next point is under WTO terms trade will sill flow between the UK and the EU as it is in the interests of the EU to keep that trade. Time to have a general election and get rid of the MPs that betrayed the leave vote by twisting it ie Mrs May and co. If the EU want a trade agreement then they should be paying the UK for free entry to our market. Next point about Mrs Mays list of EU demands they call a deal. It is not a deal as it does not tell us the peoples of the UK what they demand in the trade deal. So far all we have is a list of EU demands which they also demand we put into law leaving them in control of our world trade, We cant even take any EU criminal to a UK court. Explain how that can work in the UK with the Irish Republic handing out EU/Irish passports like confetti. We will then have to pay the EU court costs and costs of transport to the EU of EU criminals from pick pockets to murderers.

Then we look at the EU web page which states the full cost the UK will pay is not £39 billion as many outstanding items are not included in this part of the EU demands. May hiding the full cost of her so called deal from the peoples of the UK.

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

Bobbangs

Most mps bend truths on most sides

If your agrunment is can't trust mps that's truth but on both sides!!!

Booberangs you need to work with people if you like just corbyn you agree to bullying antisemitism racisin and his judgment abbot can do job

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

Aeotwo

Well said

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By *ertwoCouple
over a year ago

omagh

We have little to fear from a second leave vote as the EU list of predemands Mrs May has tried to sell as a deal shows us that we can not put our future in the hands of EUs people like Tusk. Even the demand that we can not take any EU criminal to a UK court this means diplomatic immunity for petty EU criminals as the cost of taking them to the EU will be to much.

They are also free under Mays deal to demand more than the £39billion from the UK as in the words of the EU web page many outstanding items have not been included in this list.

So whens a deal not a deal? answer when it is a list of demands and has no detail of the trade demands they the EU want. But they demand we put this into law first meaning they have full control over us and can demand anything they want.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

" If the EU want a trade agreement then they should be paying the UK for free entry to our market.

We cant even take any EU criminal to a UK court.

On your first point, the UK has declared its intention to have zero tariffs on 85 per cent of imports. It's not the EU who pay tariffs, it's the export business.

On your second point, I do not believe you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bobbangs

Most mps bend truths on most sides

If your agrunment is can't trust mps that's truth but on both sides!!!

Booberangs you need to work with people if you like just corbyn you agree to bullying antisemitism racisin and his judgment abbot can do job

Never voted labour in my life.Wouldnt vote for brexiters in any shape or form .The only violent behaviour was your friends who murdered joe cox MP.No remainers started killing people.

I can't vote for racism.Thats your job not mine.

I vote green and have done for over 20 years.

Climate change is far more important than the brexiters xenophobic rhetoric and hogwash.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

.... leadership calling out leadership for being crap (again). Couldn't write it. Oh wait, Waston did.

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

Behave

Cox was terrible none of us agree with that

bang out of order saying anyone agreed with that she was a mother with children it was murder it was horrendous

also antisemitism is racist labour party have problem

I think yo need to apologise to everyone on thread that was a terrible comment!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You happy to be run by a foreign country.

You could always emigrate"

Conforming to some certain rules and standards while being a member of a trading bloc does not mean we are "ran by a foreign Country"

The EU isn't a foreign country.

We the UK are part of this so called "foreign country" that isn't one.

The British government has voted against EU laws only 2% of the time since 1999 that have come into effect so we've agreed with a whopping 98% of them.

This bullshit bollocks is trotted out so much by leavers that we're ran by a foreign power, country whatever against our will always on the receiving end of shit, it's fucking pathetic

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

You need to go back later to school for geography

They are foreign sovereign states.

I'm British

Germany France different countries I thought schools were poor not that poor which national football team or ruby do u support

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cake and eat it seems that is what the EU are demanding from the UK.

About 60% of uk exports are with (or under trade deals via) the EU and so will start to attract tariffs when we go into WTO.

For Germany, France, Italy, Spain, only 7% of exports are with the UK and so attract tarrifs under uk being in WTO.

Who is going to feel the pain more. Who needs free trade access more ?

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

Not bothered it's not about money its about control of own country

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not bothered it's not about money its about control of own country"

If we are taking our country back .Where did we leave it in the first place.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

Never voted labour in my life.Wouldnt vote for brexiters in any shape or form .The only violent behaviour was your friends who murdered joe cox MP.No remainers started killing people.

I can't vote for racism.Thats your job not mine.

I vote green and have done for over 20 years.

Climate change is far more important than the brexiters xenophobic rhetoric and hogwash.

Bhhollocks.

If you were that against Brexit, you'd have as much of an opinion on Corbyn and Labour as you do May and the Torys. You defend him at every turn and have never once pushed any green agenda on these forums.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not bothered it's not about money its about control of own country"
that’s where we differ. I see the economy as being the biggest thing. As it puts food on our table, and determines the price. It pays for nurse and teachers and the police. All things we care about and need more about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Never voted labour in my life.Wouldnt vote for brexiters in any shape or form .The only violent behaviour was your friends who murdered joe cox MP.No remainers started killing people.

I can't vote for racism.Thats your job not mine.

I vote green and have done for over 20 years.

Climate change is far more important than the brexiters xenophobic rhetoric and hogwash.

Bhhollocks.

Hey its the what about Corbyn guy....Classic

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

Never voted labour in my life.Wouldnt vote for brexiters in any shape or form .The only violent behaviour was your friends who murdered joe cox MP.No remainers started killing people.

I can't vote for racism.Thats your job not mine.

I vote green and have done for over 20 years.

Climate change is far more important than the brexiters xenophobic rhetoric and hogwash.

Bhhollocks.

Hey its the what about Corbyn guy....Classic

Hey comrade, it isn't me that's failing here it's your party.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not bothered it's not about money its about control of own country that’s where we differ. I see the economy as being the biggest thing. As it puts food on our table, and determines the price. It pays for nurse and teachers and the police. All things we care about and need more about. "

That's what sensible people worry about.Everyone wants long term prosperity and stability.

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London

"You happy to be run by a foreign country.

You could always emigrate"

We're not run by a foreign country. Someone's told you that and you believe them.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"Not bothered it's not about money its about control of own country"

Enjoy eating the flag

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not bothered it's not about money its about control of own country"

Hi Jon, what's your view on an independent Scotland and United Ireland? Don't you think they deserve that after we leave the EU?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think the "just revoke article 50" morons need to take a long, hard look at themselves over this.

Pray tell, why?

Because it is their smug, middle class contempt for working class communities and voters that has played right into the hands of Farage.

Completely get what you are saying.

On the flip side though, I have lots of working class mates who want the fucker revoked, or never wanted brexit in the first place.

Long haul lorry drivers.

Unilever factory workers.

People doing call centre work.

Idk if these are working class or not, cause one leave campaigner told me if you're in full time employment youre basically middle class.

Bit weird.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

The latest climate change protesters are no more than thugs...in line with bnp type ....by the way bnp have never had protests where in excess of 700 arrests....dont support either cause....all James blunts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The latest climate change protesters are no more than thugs...in line with bnp type ....by the way bnp have never had protests where in excess of 700 arrests....dont support either cause....all James blunts"

I mean, that's a stretch, one group is fighting for Green Policies to be taken seriously and another group wants to cleanse Britain for the Whites,if you think those are the same then well, you do you.

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

Scotland had a vote

I believe in the UK.. not England

I love Scottish and irish and Welsh.

Don't like man u and Chelsea fans they can leave

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Scotland had a vote

I believe in the UK.. not England

Don't you see the irony there? Scotland voted to stay because they mainly didn't want to deal with leaving the EU and reapplying, and Scotland voted to remain in the EU. Therefore haven't we breached our side of the deal and thus Scotland deserve another chance to vote?

Besides if we're good enough to take back control and go on our own, surely Scotland and Ireland deserve that chance too, you're not a hypocrit are you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Scotland had a vote

I believe in the UK.. not England

I love Scottish and irish and Welsh.

Don't like man u and Chelsea fans they can leave"

Yes the final solution is always to kick out all those you don't like .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You need to go back later to school for geography

They are foreign sovereign states.

I'm British

Germany France different countries I thought schools were poor not that poor which national football team or ruby do u support"

Wow, are you really this ignorant?

Really, have a read what you've typed again very slowly , use Google if you struggle so much to understand what a country is.

The EU isn't a country

Laws and regulations come from the EU

We the UK are part of the EU

The EU isn't a country

Germany is a country but cannot decide on a law and force us to implement it

Laws and regulations come from the EU

The EU isn't a country

We the UK are part of the EU

France is a country but cannot decide on a law and force us to implement it

Laws and regulations come from the EU

The EU isn't a country

We the UK are part of the EU

So, you insist we the UK are ran by a foreign country, who then? you sound like you know far more than me so tell us all

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

Besides if we're good enough to take back control and go on our own, surely Scotland and Ireland deserve that chance too, you're not a hypocrit are you? "

We haven't even left yet. The largest party in opposition can't make it's mind up on a second referendum never mind a Scottish one.

If it has taken 3 years and no plan to arrive at a statement like this, then how long will it take for a statement on Scotland, N.Ireland Wales? And further, will England get a say given it's the break up of the union?

It's Deputy leader has just called it's own leadership out for "sitting on the fence" and "being measly mouthed" - Farage is again just a catalyst.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not bothered it's not about money its about control of own country"

So what happens when the country is in the hands of the bojo’s Rees moggs and Duncan smiths and not forgetting the Arron banks’s ?

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over a year ago

"And further, will England get a say given it's the break up of the union?"

England would have to plead its case again like back in 2014, only this time they can't bullshit about the EU and how being in a union is a good thing cause of the whole Brexit thing.

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over a year ago

"Don't worry, the 6,000,000 that signed the remain petition will all vote for, er, well, not the Brexit Party."

Maths not your strong point no?

I reckon there'll be around 17 and a half million people who might be voting for Brexit supporting parties

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

Summary last post.

Remain only interested in money if eu more profitable ignore morals behaviours what county stands

D's for money greed is good you sound like thatcher

So everything has a price

30 pieces of silver.

Next prime minster judas

Sad country only concerned about money

So summary remained only interested in money not what's right. And UK did well before we joined Europe since joined Europe 4 recessions!!!

Hopefully ballot box will prevail

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By *andm288Couple
over a year ago

oxford

"Don't worry, the 6,000,000 that signed the remain petition will all vote for, er, well, not the Brexit Party."

And the 17.4 million will out number the 6 million

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

Summary last post.

Remain only interested in money if eu more profitable ignore morals behaviours what county stands

D's for money greed is good you sound like thatcher

So everything has a price

30 pieces of silver.

Next prime minster judas

Sad country only concerned about money

So summary remained only interested in money not what's right. And UK did well before we joined Europe since joined Europe 4 recessions!!!

Hopefully ballot box will prevail

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

17 bigger than 6...unless you went to remain school

Glory glory man United!!!

Man u have left europe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Don't worry, the 6,000,000 that signed the remain petition will all vote for, er, well, not the Brexit Party.

Maths not your strong point no?

I reckon there'll be around 17 and a half million people who might be voting for Brexit supporting parties"

You're probably right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Summary last post.

Remain only interested in money if eu more profitable ignore morals behaviours what county stands

D's for money greed is good you sound like thatcher

So everything has a price

30 pieces of silver.

Next prime minster judas

Sad country only concerned about money

So summary remained only interested in money not what's right. And UK did well before we joined Europe since joined Europe 4 recessions!!!

Hopefully ballot box will prevail"

So you're happy with less money for the UK, fine, less for the NHS, less for schools, less for social care, less for benefits, less for police, less for housing, less for infrastructure, less for everything.

That's all well and good, but what exactly do we get in addition to less of everything?

oh.... I think I may know.... we stop that unknown foreign country running us

Thank fuck we at least get rid of them for less of everything

Who are they again?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And the 17.4 million will out number the 6 million "

You really think even a fraction of that 17.4 million or that 6 million will even vote now? It's a small scale thing for UK voters usually.

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

Yes about 19 million now will vote leave

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Don't worry, the 6,000,000 that signed the remain petition will all vote for, er, well, not the Brexit Party.

And the 17.4 million will out number the 6 million "

The age demography of those who voted leave in 2016 indicates that they are no longer with us..

Not that I want another referendum personally..

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish

"Yes about 19 million now will vote leave"

.....based upon the work of the same pollsters who were ever so correct at the past two elections and the referendum.

Isn't that where the Remain side really fucked up time? Assuming that the average voter would see their utopia was a better vision to the majority than the utopian view of the Leavers?

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

Fireman Sam for prime minster

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes about 19 million now will vote leave"

Of course

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Costs only £25 to be a registered BREXIT Party supporter. I have to say that it is money well spent.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

A fool and their money is easy parted.

- Anon

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"Fireman Sam for prime minster"

Jurgen klopp

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Costs only £25 to be a registered BREXIT Party supporter. I have to say that it is money well spent.

What's their manifesto?

Other than Brexit, what do they plan to do?

Their website is only asking for money, I don't see any ideas of direction apart from basically parting money from people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fucking hell! I can’t believe that three years of patient explanation of why brexit is a shit idea backed up with real facts and figures and we still have donkeys braying about taking back control from a foreign country....amazing!

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By *imiUK OP Man
over a year ago

Newbury

"Costs only £25 to be a registered BREXIT Party supporter. I have to say that it is money well spent.

What's their manifesto?

Other than Brexit, what do they plan to do?

Their website is only asking for money, I don't see any ideas of direction apart from basically parting money from people. "

I bet they'll actually make one at some point, unlike the shambles that has been TIG....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Farage is an old school Tory who left that party because of the Maastricht Treaty. His politics are that of a Euro Sceptic Tory, and that suits me fine.

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over a year ago

"Costs only £25 to be a registered BREXIT Party supporter. I have to say that it is money well spent.

What's their manifesto?

Other than Brexit, what do they plan to do?

Their website is only asking for money, I don't see any ideas of direction apart from basically parting money from people. "

And PayPal only....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Costs only £25 to be a registered BREXIT Party supporter. I have to say that it is money well spent.

What's their manifesto?

Other than Brexit, what do they plan to do?

Their website is only asking for money, I don't see any ideas of direction apart from basically parting money from people.

And PayPal only...."

Proud supporter here!

Mr x

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

"Fucking hell! I can’t believe that three years of patient explanation of why brexit is a shit idea backed up with real facts and figures and we still have donkeys braying about taking back control from a foreign country....amazing!

You don't listeN PEOPLE WANT TO LEAVE ACCEPT IT IT'S DEMOCRACY!!!

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

25 pound well worth it to democracy our country

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You don't listeN PEOPLE WANT TO LEAVE ACCEPT IT IT'S DEMOCRACY!!!"

I have no problem that people want to leave at all.

I've always said it was a democratic vote and it needs to be upheld.

What I do challenge is the constant piss poor if not utterly ridiculous claims, statements and lies that Leavers give as to why we are leaving and once all those claims, statements and lies are shown to be what they are we always get the stock shouting down

PEOPLE WANT TO LEAVE ACCEPT IT IT'S DEMOCRACY!!!

Yeah I'm accepting democracy but it'd be nice to know a valid reason why and how we'll actually benefit instead of just being given a load of old bullshit lies.

I don't think that's an unreasonable request.

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

Valid reason we had vote

Which you won't accept

What do you do at work when you don't like things do u cry

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"Costs only £25 to be a registered BREXIT Party supporter. I have to say that it is money well spent.

What's their manifesto?

Other than Brexit, what do they plan to do?

Their website is only asking for money, I don't see any ideas of direction apart from basically parting money from people.

I bet they'll actually make one at some point, unlike the shambles that has been TIG...."

Ah, yes, TIG.....who are now officially 'Change UK'....

and want everything to stay the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I see 27% of the population is still deluded, fanaticism never works lol.

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

It's more like 52 percent

.grow up accept vote

Do u still cry in work when u don't get your own way

.grow up take it on the chin

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

I didn't realise the EU was a country.

And the facts and figures like

"The immediate effect just by voting leave"

800,000 fewer employed?

18% drop in house prices?

Immediate deep and profound recession?

6% drop in GDP?

Immediate emergency £30 Billion tax raising budget?

Inflation out of control?

Wages decreasing?

All within two years of us simply voting to leave.

Those facts and figures?

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

None of above facts

Is money all that's matters!!!

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

Record amount of people working fact

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Record amount of people working fact"

I'm not sure if you're a parody account trying your best to sound like a UK version of a Trump supporter or if you genuinely believe what you type.

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

Check stats record amount of people working

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Valid reason we had vote

Which you won't accept

What do you do at work when you don't like things do u cry"

No crying here mate but the truth stands, unlike you I don't lie and make up bullshit.

I don't lie and say a foreign country runs the UK, that point has been made very clear to you but you won't accept you are wrong.

Then the financial issue, you say you're not bothered about the economy of our country, so that obviously means that you are happy with less of every form of service this country needs, yes?

It's a strange form of patriotism to be happy to potentially reduce investment and services that people need and not be interested in our countries economic prosperity all in the name of stopping a foreign country running us when there isn't one running us, but hey ho, at least we got there in the end, in a fashion

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

The country will do well finialcialky without Europe that's why not worried

.they may miss the billions we give them

Were better with us. As they defend us against Russia

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over a year ago

"The country will do well finialcialky without Europe that's why not worried

.they may miss the billions we give them

Were better with us. As they defend us against Russia

Now it just sounds like you're rambling, when you us do you mean the US? And you're claiming they've defended us against Russia? Uhhhh huhh

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

Europe can't defend us agint Russia . USA can

Had enough leaving thread.

One last thought if we have another referendum and you lose do we have a 3rd 4th till u win

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Europe can't defend us agint Russia . USA can

Had enough leaving thread."

I'm sorry but what bs is this? You can't just make a stupid claim then walk off in a huff, stay, please explain your reasoning on this one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Europe can't defend us agint Russia . USA can

Had enough leaving thread.

One last thought if we have another referendum and you lose do we have a 3rd 4th till u win"

We've voted to leave on a set of promises so we should be leaving, I don't want another referendum, I'd just like people like you to actually be able to decide why they voted to leave and what benefits they see that improves our country, but you don't seem able to do so

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

Europe no army and always don't back us up

No point debating as you don't accept vote and tell evertoney of a different opinions are wrong are you a teenager.

Therefore no point.

also you ever thought you may be wrong?

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

Tell me last mp or prime minster who kept promises

On either side

Shall we a general election every time mp breaks a oromise

Grow up and get real except vote I'm off as off work not wasting anymore time here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Europe no army and always don't back us up

No point debating as you don't accept vote and tell evertoney of a different opinions are wrong are you a teenager.

Therefore no point.

also you ever thought you may be wrong?

There is so much to unpack here, so first off...

Are you saying we should go to war with Russia? That's why we'd need additional armies to "back us up".

Second, I've not mentioned anything about the vote or "democracy" to you before.

Thirdly, no, teenagers these days are being more pro-active with issues they support though. We're in our 20's, lets flip that question, are you one of those 45+ white men who make up a large amount of Brexit voters?

And yes there's been times where we've been wrong but we've yet to be proven so with anything regarding Brexit, meanwhile nearly everything that was pointed out beforehand and was brushed off as "project fear" has happened, again, let's flip it, ever thought you might be wrong? When do we start seeing the proposed benefits? Even your almighty God Farage was on the news this morning stating that Britain will be poorer but "that's what they voted for".

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

All mps break promises also

No to defend so from Russia

When your 50 and been thru life.

You may have changed.

50 years Europe 4 major recessions thank you Europe

Also Europe mainland caused laSt 2 world wars

Bye

You can put ceebies back on now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Also Europe mainland caused laSt 2 world wars"

Yeah you're just rambling at this point

you're playing a good game though with this act, though if you're serious then I'm worried for you because these posts are full of contradictions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Also Europe mainland caused laSt 2 world wars

Yeah you're just rambling at this point

you're playing a good game though with this act, though if you're serious then I'm worried for you because these posts are full of contradictions. "

He's probably blissfully ignorant of the deluded ramblings that spews fourth from his mouth.Its incoherent at best.

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By *Cocksucker84Man
over a year ago

newcastle

You need to take a long hard look at the fact that none of your leavers wanted to step up to the mantel after the result. You chew on about betrayal and your vote not being respected but none of your leaver mates wanted the PM job after the result? Why is that? Why has it taken the clock being run down for any of the leavers to come out of the woodwork? Because they knew that whoever triggered article 50 would be deemed the worst PM in history.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Also Europe mainland caused laSt 2 world wars

Yeah you're just rambling at this point

you're playing a good game though with this act, though if you're serious then I'm worried for you because these posts are full of contradictions.

He's probably blissfully ignorant of the deluded ramblings that spews fourth from his mouth.Its incoherent at best."

Pmsl

Without doubt it could be better written, but I get what he's trying to say and agree...

He seems very passionate and emotional, which in turn is making his post's a little unusual but I certainly admire his vision and ambition!

Mr x

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

"Also Europe mainland caused laSt 2 world wars

Yeah you're just rambling at this point

you're playing a good game though with this act, though if you're serious then I'm worried for you because these posts are full of contradictions.

He's probably blissfully ignorant of the deluded ramblings that

spews fourth from his mouth.Its incoherent at best."

What are u watching on children's tv

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Also Europe mainland caused laSt 2 world wars

Yeah you're just rambling at this point

you're playing a good game though with this act, though if you're serious then I'm worried for you because these posts are full of contradictions.

He's probably blissfully ignorant of the deluded ramblings that

spews fourth from his mouth.Its incoherent at best.

What are u watching on children's tv"

On here i am watching mr tumble give his views on brexit ..Entertaining

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Europe no army and always don't back us up

No point debating as you don't accept vote and tell evertoney of a different opinions are wrong are you a teenager.

Therefore no point.

also you ever thought you may be wrong?

The brexit paradox. Centaur (I think, or maybe it was another brexit regular on here) would cite the “forthcoming Eu army” as a reason to vote leave. Here, it is the lack of army why should leave.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

Never voted labour in my life.Wouldnt vote for brexiters in any shape or form .The only violent behaviour was your friends who murdered joe cox MP.No remainers started killing people.

I can't vote for racism.Thats your job not mine.

I vote green and have done for over 20 years.

Climate change is far more important than the brexiters xenophobic rhetoric and hogwash.

Bhhollocks.

Where you been? Bob is always pushing his Green agenda. I often disagree with him on some of the points he makes but to try to argue he's never made them is just crazy.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Also Europe mainland caused laSt 2 world wars

The raison d'etre of European Union - peaceful prosperity through co-operation instead of militarised borders and confrontation.

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over a year ago

"Europe no army and always don't back us up

No point debating as you don't accept vote and tell evertoney of a different opinions are wrong are you a teenager.

Therefore no point.

also you ever thought you may be wrong?

My posts have only highlighted your errors or consequences of your beliefs then you simply shout back about DEMOCRACY

It's you that is unable to debate not me.

You come out with 100% rubbish straight from the Daily mail type headlines but can't accept it's plain and simple wrong.

You also can't grasp the simple fact I keep saying that we should leave since that's what the democratic vote said but you still can't give and support any proper logical reasons that won't damage the country by doing so.

We're leaving because a foreign country runs us you said, I explained you are wrong, why I needed to anyway is mind numbing.

You said you didn't care about the economy etc then you switched track and said we'd be better off without saying how.

Nice debating

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By *bernathCouple
over a year ago

Gloucestershire

Herein lies the danger of telling people that they will have a say and then utterly ignoring their wishes.

Parliament has overwhelmingly remain MPs, and by failing to act, they are legitimising the far right.

Poll results:

BREXIT party: 27%

Labour: 20%

Conservative: 15%

Green: 10%

Lib Dem: 9%

ChangeUK: 6%"

Sorry to say this remainers but Farage will win, think

If labour, green, lib dems change uk joined together 45%

Tories and brexit party 42%

So tell me leavers you want to be under represented again?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Valid reason we had vote

Which you won't accept

What do you do at work when you don't like things do u cry

No crying here mate but the truth stands, unlike you I don't lie and make up bullshit.

I don't lie and say a foreign country runs the UK, that point has been made very clear to you but you won't accept you are wrong.

Then the financial issue, you say you're not bothered about the economy of our country, so that obviously means that you are happy with less of every form of service this country needs, yes?

To be perfectly fair, not one person in this whole nation who voted to leave OWES you an explanation as to why they voted the way they did.

The fact is that more voted to leave than voted to remain and you must accept that.

The fact that you demand explanations proves that you are having difficulty with that.

I didn't agree with the General election results of 1997, 2001 and 2005, but I understand that we live in a democracy and had to accept the result.

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over a year ago

Never voted labour in my life.Wouldnt vote for brexiters in any shape or form .The only violent behaviour was your friends who murdered joe cox MP.No remainers started killing people.

I can't vote for racism.Thats your just ob not mine.

I vote green and have done for over 20 years.

Climate change is far more important than the brexiters xenophobic rhetoric and hogwash.

Bhhollocks.

Where you been? Bob is always pushing his Green agenda. I often disagree with him on some of the points he makes but to try to argue he's never made them is just crazy.

There are only 2 or three green voters on here.All the regulars know which way each other vote or where they are on the political spectrum.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

Never voted labour in my life.Wouldnt vote for brexiters in any shape or form .The only violent behaviour was your friends who murdered joe cox MP.No remainers started killing people.

I can't vote for racism.Thats your job not mine.

I vote green and have done for over 20 years.

Climate change is far more important than the brexiters xenophobic rhetoric and hogwash.

Bhhollocks.

Where you been? Bob is always pushing his Green agenda. I often disagree with him on some of the points he makes but to try to argue he's never made them is just crazy.

If there is any Green agenda being pushed then I've not seen it. No solar farms, no Environmentalist lawyers dying, no Bloomberg paying the UN 2yrs running. If he is so annoyed with any party that has endorsed Brexit you'd would see a fairer party viewpoint, you don't. What I have seen is no questioning of Corbyns leadership, plans, policies or tactics just acceptance and excuses. There is only party able to get a referendum and have brexit off the table, that is Labour and he wouldn't vote for it cos...?

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Chudleigh

"17 bigger than 6...unless you went to remain school

Glory glory man United!!!

Man u have left europe"

In terms of petitions is was 6m to 600k (the Leave petition running st the same time). That is a more accurate reflection of levels of interest.

As you know the 17.4m was inflated due to the Brexit lies.

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over a year ago

Never voted labour in my life.Wouldnt vote for brexiters in any shape or form .The only violent behaviour was your friends who murdered joe cox MP.No remainers started killing people.

I can't vote for racism.Thats your job not mine.

I vote green and have done for over 20 years.

Climate change is far more important than the brexiters xenophobic rhetoric and hogwash.

Bhhollocks.

Where you been? Bob is always pushing his Green agenda. I often disagree with him on some of the points he makes but to try to argue he's never made them is just crazy.

Ad hominem much...I will always vote green .Corbyn doesn't float my boat he's ok and I think he's honest but to old really .You paint with a broad brush to be taken seriously from what I've seen .There are real corbyn supporters on here I'm just not one no matter how you much you want it to be so.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

Never voted labour in my life.Wouldnt vote for brexiters in any shape or form .The only violent behaviour was your friends who murdered joe cox MP.No remainers started killing people.

I can't vote for racism.Thats your job not mine.

I vote green and have done for over 20 years.

Climate change is far more important than the brexiters xenophobic rhetoric and hogwash.

Bhhollocks.

Where you been? Bob is always pushing his Green agenda. I often disagree with him on some of the points he makes but to try to argue he's never made them is just crazy.

Because, currently, Labour's official policy is to Leave the EU and Bob, like me, wants to Remain. A vote for Labour in the Euro Elections is a vote to Leave and, just like Leavers did after the 2017 general election where they claim that 80% of voters voted for Leave because the they voted Conservative, Labour or UKIP, they will claim the same after the EU elections too.

I can understand that in a General Election and even in the local elections there are other things to take into consideration that maybe more important to voters rather than BREXIT but in the Euro Elections what could possibly be more important then whether we Leave or Remain in the EU. If you're in favour of Remaining then you should vote LibDem, Green, Plaid Cymru, SNP or ChangeUK, anything else is a vote to Leave.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

Never voted labour in my life.Wouldnt vote for brexiters in any shape or form .The only violent behaviour was your friends who murdered joe cox MP.No remainers started killing people.

I can't vote for racism.Thats your job not mine.

I vote green and have done for over 20 years.

Climate change is far more important than the brexiters xenophobic rhetoric and hogwash.

Bhhollocks.

Where you been? Bob is always pushing his Green agenda. I often disagree with him on some of the points he makes but to try to argue he's never made them is just crazy.

no thumb?

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

Never voted labour in my life.Wouldnt vote for brexiters in any shape or form .The only violent behaviour was your friends who murdered joe cox MP.No remainers started killing people.

I can't vote for racism.Thats your job not mine.

I vote green and have done for over 20 years.

Climate change is far more important than the brexiters xenophobic rhetoric and hogwash.

Bhhollocks.

Where you been? Bob is always pushing his Green agenda. I often disagree with him on some of the points he makes but to try to argue he's never made them is just crazy.

Labours position is the softest of all brexits with environment being top of the list - Corbyn voted remain and No deal is off the table. Labour as a party don't really want to exit. Watson has just said they should offer a vote on a Labour brexit. So with the house being 500+ remain inclined MP's, the likelihood of a brexit under Labour would be slim especially if offered to the people, as the options would be to deal or remain. Why wouldn't remainers and Greens vote Labour.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's a reflection on both the referendum and an EU MEP vote having parties promising paper thin solutions for highly complex problems. Promise the world, for no effort, without an understanding of the full situation, nor even having your promised fantasy of a solution actually resolve the problems that people were unhappy about.

Farage - career and somewhat failed politician, always failing to become an MP, though did next to no work as an MEP - power, money and attention seeking. Obviously not trustworthy as an employee and also having cost £millions out of the publics purse, that could have better been spent on improving services.

The UK was failed in its government investment into local infrastructure and services, which helped to fuel resentment against foreign workers who helped provide taxes that should have been invested for those, alongside other government money.

Right wing politicians who played on divide and conquer, fuelling hatred, anger etc. It's fools gold to chase, those who follow such charlatans, without complex, comprehensive solutions to the issues that lay festered and were inflamed at the referendum, as well as having deteriorated since. The purveyors of this facile sticking plaster over what is the rotting corpse of a society they bled dry and that they will continue to debase, for their gain, are long beyond contempt and disgust.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"The country will do well finialcialky without Europe that's why not worried

.they may miss the billions we give them

Were better with us. As they defend us against Russia

If you could point to the financial forecasts that project this, with their credible justification of such an achievement, it would be reasonable to discuss. As it stands, most of those who campaigned 3 years ago, lied very heavily, used illegal activities to manipulate peoples thinking and took advantage of a country wrakened after years of austerity and cuts that disproportionately targeted the poorer amongst us.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The currency flows are 100s of billions in each direction. That's what leavers cannot get their head around. All they can think of is in invoice, a taxation bill, and seem completely blind to what that buys you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All mps break promises also

No to defend so from Russia

When your 50 and been thru life.

You may have changed.

50 years Europe 4 major recessions thank you Europe

Also Europe mainland caused laSt 2 world wars

Bye

You can put ceebies back on now"

Well you know what, age is supposed to bring wisdom and I’m damned if I can see any in your posts yet but then, thats the trouble with leavers isn’t it - back of a fag packet sums that don’t add up! Oh and please don't trot out that we won so lump it argument like so many of you do because you cheated and that is the bottom line. If you cant see that this is all because we have had a shit tory austerity government for ten years who blamed everything they did on europe and immigrants then you need to take a long hard look at yourself. You’ve been fed lies and bullshit telling you that its the fault of other people in order to cover up the useless cretinous government we have and now when they have realised that they have tun out of road and are back pedalling for dear life along comes everyones closet fascist Nige who does not have a fucking clue but loves the sound of his own voice in the European Parliament when he bothers to turn up. I bet you one thing about that two faced weasel - that he will happily take his EU pension even though he has done his best to destroy it! The man is a charlatan and more fool all the donkeys who support him! Disgusting!

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Brevity will win by miles people voted to leave.

Remains don't accept democracy.

We voted to leave as water to run our own country nothing to do with money

Really disappointed UK mot a democracy anymore.

Mps here to represent people

Brevity will win by mikes NO SUP RISE"

Most people did not care about the EU before the referendum.

Remain provided a Conservative Central Office Campaign of fear as it usually does.

Leave made promises that cannot be kept, and lied and cheated.

You can check a few of your "facts" on a site called fullfact.

You will not believe them if they disagree with you of course.

Most people could not see any purpose in the referendum but voted on the information available.

This information was of exceptionally poor quality.

The promises of everything being easy and getting exactly the same terms as before at no cost are now, clearly, untrue.

You have to be committed to something to go through hardship to achieve it. You have to see a tangible benefit.

Only a tiny proportion of the 52% who voted to leave have this level of commitment. They probably won't vote for the Brexit Party because they just don't care enough. They probably won't vote for leave again for the same reason.

Leave, however, won the referendum. As we live in a democracy the elected government duly decided to try and deliver the undeliverable Brexit promise.

They had a general election which failed to back their plan.

They continued anyway.

Because we live in a democracy Parliament must back the government plan. It has been Brexit supporters who have stood in the way.

Because we live in a democracy there should be no harm in having a vote on the final deal.

Is it what was promised? If not, is it good enough?

We have a democracy that is working just as well as it can considering it's tasked with delivering something that nobody has defined to only 52% of the country every one of which voted for a different version of Brexit means Brexit.

Remember that 48% didn't want any of this to happen at all. There is no reason at all for them to quietly accept something that they don't like. Many of them do not have a particularly great love of the EU or are passionate about it. However, they seem to be more pragmatic. They see no benefit it leaving and probably a lot of negatives. The last three years are likely to have reinforced that view.

The majority of the young support remain and the old support leave.

More old people have died. More young people can now vote.

The result of this depends on who votes in local elections, EU elections and the next general election.

We do know that hate and fear of foreigners works better than fear of being poorer though. Until people actually feel poorer...

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