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"There seems to be a glimmer of hope that they can stay in the custom union and large parts of the single market, whats your view of the backstop?" So they'll have a different regulatory alignment to the the rest of the UK? I thought that was the issue with the backstop and why it wasn't getting voted through. | |||
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"There seems to be a glimmer of hope that they can stay in the custom union and large parts of the single market, whats your view of the backstop?" What does that possibility have to do with justice? | |||
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"There seems to be a glimmer of hope that they can stay in the custom union and large parts of the single market, whats your view of the backstop?" So they must be joint the south and leaving the uk then ? | |||
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"There seems to be a glimmer of hope that they can stay in the custom union and large parts of the single market, whats your view of the backstop?" That's what the people of Northern Ireland voted in favour of. | |||
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"There seems to be a glimmer of hope that they can stay in the custom union and large parts of the single market, whats your view of the backstop? What does that possibility have to do with justice? " I have explained it before, as northern ireland voted to remain in the eu which then is justice as they can stay, instead of being dragged down. | |||
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"There seems to be a glimmer of hope that they can stay in the custom union and large parts of the single market, whats your view of the backstop? That's what the people of Northern Ireland voted in favour of. " Absolutely, we didn't want any thing to do with the whole brexit shambles in the first place. So as long as there is no form of hard border and we have free travel and no border checks, then nothing should change, we all hope anyway. | |||
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"There seems to be a glimmer of hope that they can stay in the custom union and large parts of the single market, whats your view of the backstop? What does that possibility have to do with justice? I have explained it before, as northern ireland voted to remain in the eu which then is justice as they can stay, instead of being dragged down. " Good man  the amount of ignorance that most people have on the topic is baffling! Espically the people who voted to leave. | |||
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"However much we agree or disagree, we live in a United Kingdom. The Good Friday Agreement was conveniently forgotten in the race to the bottom. Our territorial integrity is a fundamental of our nation. Brexit had all the answers, they just weren’t to the questions that actually needed answering." Territorial integrity is the whole problem. It Causes division. The rise of nationalism and right wing politics has divided the country and on a bigger scale the world. Brexit has proved there is no UK anymore. | |||
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"However much we agree or disagree, we live in a United Kingdom. The Good Friday Agreement was conveniently forgotten in the race to the bottom. Our territorial integrity is a fundamental of our nation. Brexit had all the answers, they just weren’t to the questions that actually needed answering. Territorial integrity is the whole problem. It Causes division. The rise of nationalism and right wing politics has divided the country and on a bigger scale the world. Brexit has proved there is no UK anymore. " I disagree, a minority of the population voted for Brexit, without being told the break up of the UK could be a consequence. Pandora Farage opened the box with the willing support of ERG and we now have to look at this again with real information. Brexit cannot deliver an open border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. There are no magic e-borders for this, it will be hard borders or stat in EU. | |||
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"However much we agree or disagree, we live in a United Kingdom. The Good Friday Agreement was conveniently forgotten in the race to the bottom. Our territorial integrity is a fundamental of our nation. Brexit had all the answers, they just weren’t to the questions that actually needed answering. Territorial integrity is the whole problem. It Causes division. The rise of nationalism and right wing politics has divided the country and on a bigger scale the world. Brexit has proved there is no UK anymore. I disagree, a minority of the population voted for Brexit, without being told the break up of the UK could be a consequence. Pandora Farage opened the box with the willing support of ERG and we now have to look at this again with real information. Brexit cannot deliver an open border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. There are no magic e-borders for this, it will be hard borders or stat in EU." That's because people who voted for brexit had no clue what they where voting for! It was a vote for independence and against migration, pure and simple. With no facts and the gullible people believing what they where told in tabloid papers! The North of Ireland has to have no border, and will, if not do you not realise what will happen? | |||
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"There seems to be a glimmer of hope that they can stay in the custom union and large parts of the single market, whats your view of the backstop? What does that possibility have to do with justice? I have explained it before, as northern ireland voted to remain in the eu which then is justice as they can stay, instead of being dragged down. Good man the amount of ignorance that most people have on the topic is baffling! Espically the people who voted to leave. "Yes ty and that is right, brexiters dont respect the good friday agreement which have to be honoured | |||
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"if the people of NI want to stay in the EU and leave the UK I wouldn’t blame them at all. A united Ireland makes complete sense to my mind given that they have had such a long period of borderless peace. Why throw that away when you could be in control of your own destiny? "How about the people of Hampshire, can we stay as well? What’s the difference, we’re all in the Union. | |||
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"if the people of NI want to stay in the EU and leave the UK I wouldn’t blame them at all. A united Ireland makes complete sense to my mind given that they have had such a long period of borderless peace. Why throw that away when you could be in control of your own destiny? "Your 100% correct! If only we didn't have the DUP we could finnaly move on and get on with the future of the island, but sadly not. The bigots seem to have all the power.  | |||
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"if the people of NI want to stay in the EU and leave the UK I wouldn’t blame them at all. A united Ireland makes complete sense to my mind given that they have had such a long period of borderless peace. Why throw that away when you could be in control of your own destiny?
Your 100% correct! If only we didn't have the DUP we could finnaly move on and get on with the future of the island, but sadly not. The bigots seem to have all the power. "That is right, the dup dont represent the people. | |||
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"if the people of NI want to stay in the EU and leave the UK I wouldn’t blame them at all. A united Ireland makes complete sense to my mind given that they have had such a long period of borderless peace. Why throw that away when you could be in control of your own destiny?
How about the people of Hampshire, can we stay as well? What’s the difference, we’re all in the Union."Can we confirm Hampshire stays in then & can I also have Cardiff as well then?  | |||
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"if the people of NI want to stay in the EU and leave the UK I wouldn’t blame them at all. A united Ireland makes complete sense to my mind given that they have had such a long period of borderless peace. Why throw that away when you could be in control of your own destiny?
How about the people of Hampshire, can we stay as well? What’s the difference, we’re all in the Union.
Can we confirm Hampshire stays in then & can I also have Cardiff as well then? "Absolutely let's all stay! We know it's the only sensible decision | |||
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"if the people of NI want to stay in the EU and leave the UK I wouldn’t blame them at all. A united Ireland makes complete sense to my mind given that they have had such a long period of borderless peace. Why throw that away when you could be in control of your own destiny?
How about the people of Hampshire, can we stay as well? What’s the difference, we’re all in the Union.
Can we confirm Hampshire stays in then & can I also have Cardiff as well then?
Absolutely let's all stay! We know it's the only sensible decision "The most sensible thing said on the forum for ages | |||
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"There seems to be a glimmer of hope that they can stay in the custom union and large parts of the single market, whats your view of the backstop? What does that possibility have to do with justice? I have explained it before, as northern ireland voted to remain in the eu which then is justice as they can stay, instead of being dragged down. " Sorry shag but that's not how it goes, the vote was to leave so saying one region or area because they voted remain should be treated differently is wrong.. One could easily make a similar case for the City of London in relation to the financial sector still having the same access before the vote.. And I say that as a remain voter who has seen the bad old days in NI and think the GFA should not be touched as its too important.. Fudging the issue undermines what was a complete shambles yes but that's where we are.. | |||
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"There seems to be a glimmer of hope that they can stay in the custom union and large parts of the single market, whats your view of the backstop? What does that possibility have to do with justice? I have explained it before, as northern ireland voted to remain in the eu which then is justice as they can stay, instead of being dragged down. Sorry shag but that's not how it goes, the vote was to leave so saying one region or area because they voted remain should be treated differently is wrong.. One could easily make a similar case for the City of London in relation to the financial sector still having the same access before the vote.. And I say that as a remain voter who has seen the bad old days in NI and think the GFA should not be touched as its too important.. Fudging the issue undermines what was a complete shambles yes but that's where we are.. " Ok, lets assume for a minute that back in June 2016, we knew that voting for Brexit would fuck up Northern Ireland - would people have still voted for Leave, or would they have said this is so important we should not mess with it, or the struggles we all went through to achieve peace? Interesting to know peoples views... | |||
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"There seems to be a glimmer of hope that they can stay in the custom union and large parts of the single market, whats your view of the backstop? What does that possibility have to do with justice? I have explained it before, as northern ireland voted to remain in the eu which then is justice as they can stay, instead of being dragged down. Sorry shag but that's not how it goes, the vote was to leave so saying one region or area because they voted remain should be treated differently is wrong.. One could easily make a similar case for the City of London in relation to the financial sector still having the same access before the vote.. And I say that as a remain voter who has seen the bad old days in NI and think the GFA should not be touched as its too important.. Fudging the issue undermines what was a complete shambles yes but that's where we are.. Ok, lets assume for a minute that back in June 2016, we knew that voting for Brexit would fuck up Northern Ireland - would people have still voted for Leave, or would they have said this is so important we should not mess with it, or the struggles we all went through to achieve peace? Interesting to know peoples views..." Some of the usual suspects eod have still done so yes, but it wasn't the only big issue about the whole thing.. Said on here before the vote that it wasn't and never should be messed about with, far too important to not go back to pre the GFA.. | |||
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"There seems to be a glimmer of hope that they can stay in the custom union and large parts of the single market, whats your view of the backstop? What does that possibility have to do with justice? I have explained it before, as northern ireland voted to remain in the eu which then is justice as they can stay, instead of being dragged down. Sorry shag but that's not how it goes, the vote was to leave so saying one region or area because they voted remain should be treated differently is wrong.. One could easily make a similar case for the City of London in relation to the financial sector still having the same access before the vote.. And I say that as a remain voter who has seen the bad old days in NI and think the GFA should not be touched as its too important.. Fudging the issue undermines what was a complete shambles yes but that's where we are.. Ok, lets assume for a minute that back in June 2016, we knew that voting for Brexit would fuck up Northern Ireland - would people have still voted for Leave, or would they have said this is so important we should not mess with it, or the struggles we all went through to achieve peace? Interesting to know peoples views... Some of the usual suspects eod have still done so yes, but it wasn't the only big issue about the whole thing.. Said on here before the vote that it wasn't and never should be messed about with, far too important to not go back to pre the GFA.. " Surely its importance shouldn’t have been missed by our politicians!? How much do they care about any of us... | |||
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"There seems to be a glimmer of hope that they can stay in the custom union and large parts of the single market, whats your view of the backstop? What does that possibility have to do with justice? I have explained it before, as northern ireland voted to remain in the eu which then is justice as they can stay, instead of being dragged down. Sorry shag but that's not how it goes, the vote was to leave so saying one region or area because they voted remain should be treated differently is wrong.. One could easily make a similar case for the City of London in relation to the financial sector still having the same access before the vote.. And I say that as a remain voter who has seen the bad old days in NI and think the GFA should not be touched as its too important.. Fudging the issue undermines what was a complete shambles yes but that's where we are.. Ok, lets assume for a minute that back in June 2016, we knew that voting for Brexit would fuck up Northern Ireland - would people have still voted for Leave, or would they have said this is so important we should not mess with it, or the struggles we all went through to achieve peace? Interesting to know peoples views... Some of the usual suspects eod have still done so yes, but it wasn't the only big issue about the whole thing.. Said on here before the vote that it wasn't and never should be messed about with, far too important to not go back to pre the GFA.. Surely its importance shouldn’t have been missed by our politicians!? How much do they care about any of us..." Indeed, the number to have the vote was a massive majority and some no doubt thought it would be a remain outcome but clearly they didn't consider the what if.. And the what if is the mess with the border and the threat to the GFA now.. | |||
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"There seems to be a glimmer of hope that they can stay in the custom union and large parts of the single market, whats your view of the backstop? What does that possibility have to do with justice? " The Scots will not see it that way | |||
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"There seems to be a glimmer of hope that they can stay in the custom union and large parts of the single market, whats your view of the backstop? What does that possibility have to do with justice? The Scots will not see it that way" Nor people from Hampshire & South Wales!  | |||
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"There seems to be a glimmer of hope that they can stay in the custom union and large parts of the single market, whats your view of the backstop? What does that possibility have to do with justice? The Scots will not see it that way"
Ditto several other sectors who now see leaving as potentially costly..
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"There seems to be a glimmer of hope that they can stay in the custom union and large parts of the single market, whats your view of the backstop? What does that possibility have to do with justice? I have explained it before, as northern ireland voted to remain in the eu which then is justice as they can stay, instead of being dragged down. Sorry shag but that's not how it goes, the vote was to leave so saying one region or area because they voted remain should be treated differently is wrong.. One could easily make a similar case for the City of London in relation to the financial sector still having the same access before the vote.. And I say that as a remain voter who has seen the bad old days in NI and think the GFA should not be touched as its too important.. Fudging the issue undermines what was a complete shambles yes but that's where we are.. " One couldnt make a similar case for the City of London Or anywhere else in England Scotland or Wales I'm afraid to tell you. Why ? Because there was no disputed territory, there was no killing by 2 different sections & finally there was no specific treaty signed between The city of London & lets say for example , the city of Nottingham , over the ownership of spaghetti junction . | |||
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"I don't see why we can't have a full brexit and keep an open border on the island if Ireland. There is no problem with honouring the GF agreement as there are technical solutions - despite the scaremongering comments of remain MP's who claim there isn't. The congestion charge zone in London has been in place for around 20 years now - and yet there are no barriers or checkpoints. Vehicle movements are tracked by cameras and ANPR and it works fine." A report by the Home Secretary's Policy Unit and sent to HMRC and the Treasury says it will be 2030 at the earliest before the technology has matured for use on border crossings. Sky News has a copy of the report. | |||
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"There seems to be a glimmer of hope that they can stay in the custom union and large parts of the single market, whats your view of the backstop? What does that possibility have to do with justice? I have explained it before, as northern ireland voted to remain in the eu which then is justice as they can stay, instead of being dragged down. Sorry shag but that's not how it goes, the vote was to leave so saying one region or area because they voted remain should be treated differently is wrong.. One could easily make a similar case for the City of London in relation to the financial sector still having the same access before the vote.. And I say that as a remain voter who has seen the bad old days in NI and think the GFA should not be touched as its too important.. Fudging the issue undermines what was a complete shambles yes but that's where we are.. " I am also a remainer and I cant see how the union is democratic, can you? It is good that the eu can see what is good for northern ireland and hopefully to let them stay which looks like they can. | |||
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"There seems to be a glimmer of hope that they can stay in the custom union and large parts of the single market, whats your view of the backstop? What does that possibility have to do with justice? I have explained it before, as northern ireland voted to remain in the eu which then is justice as they can stay, instead of being dragged down. Sorry shag but that's not how it goes, the vote was to leave so saying one region or area because they voted remain should be treated differently is wrong.. One could easily make a similar case for the City of London in relation to the financial sector still having the same access before the vote.. And I say that as a remain voter who has seen the bad old days in NI and think the GFA should not be touched as its too important.. Fudging the issue undermines what was a complete shambles yes but that's where we are.. I am also a remainer and I cant see how the union is democratic, can you? It is good that the eu can see what is good for northern ireland and hopefully to let them stay which looks like they can." It's democratic in that votes are equal on such matters, then we have the devolved Governments of the separate parts which not yet full governance is better than it was.. | |||
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"I don't see why we can't have a full brexit and keep an open border on the island if Ireland. There is no problem with honouring the GF agreement as there are technical solutions - despite the scaremongering comments of remain MP's who claim there isn't. The congestion charge zone in London has been in place for around 20 years now - and yet there are no barriers or checkpoints. Vehicle movements are tracked by cameras and ANPR and it works fine." Seriously? The border between NI and Eire is a lot longer than the congestion zone (10x) and not quite as easily covered by anpr cameras - many roads are rural and it would do nothing to stop pedestrian traffic anyway. Perhaps we could have dedicated satellites or drones do the same job except the weather might get in the way! Not a practical solution really is it? | |||
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"I don't see why we can't have a full brexit and keep an open border on the island if Ireland. There is no problem with honouring the GF agreement as there are technical solutions - despite the scaremongering comments of remain MP's who claim there isn't. The congestion charge zone in London has been in place for around 20 years now - and yet there are no barriers or checkpoints. Vehicle movements are tracked by cameras and ANPR and it works fine." There are no technical solutions at the moment, there are only unicorns. I wasn't aware that the congestion charging system also dealt with the import and export of goods and livestock between inner London and the outer boroughs.... | |||
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"I don't see why we can't have a full brexit and keep an open border on the island if Ireland. There is no problem with honouring the GF agreement as there are technical solutions - despite the scaremongering comments of remain MP's who claim there isn't. The congestion charge zone in London has been in place for around 20 years now - and yet there are no barriers or checkpoints. Vehicle movements are tracked by cameras and ANPR and it works fine. There are no technical solutions at the moment, there are only unicorns. I wasn't aware that the congestion charging system also dealt with the import and export of goods and livestock between inner London and the outer boroughs...." Yes but the sun is always shining in Brexitland so everything will be alright and none of that complicated stuff matters because, its so simple really....brexit means brexit | |||
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"There seems to be a glimmer of hope that they can stay in the custom union and large parts of the single market, whats your view of the backstop? What does that possibility have to do with justice? I have explained it before, as northern ireland voted to remain in the eu which then is justice as they can stay, instead of being dragged down. Sorry shag but that's not how it goes, the vote was to leave so saying one region or area because they voted remain should be treated differently is wrong.. One could easily make a similar case for the City of London in relation to the financial sector still having the same access before the vote.. And I say that as a remain voter who has seen the bad old days in NI and think the GFA should not be touched as its too important.. Fudging the issue undermines what was a complete shambles yes but that's where we are.. I am also a remainer and I cant see how the union is democratic, can you? It is good that the eu can see what is good for northern ireland and hopefully to let them stay which looks like they can." Odd though isn't it, how many nations and the EU criticised / condemned Russia's annexation of Crimea and yet the 'backstop' appears to be a covert instrument by the EU to do exactly the same with Northern Ireland. Their whole 'insurance policy' ploy is so transparent. The backstop is a safeguard for the EU for when they shaft us over any future 'deal' | |||
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"There seems to be a glimmer of hope that they can stay in the custom union and large parts of the single market, whats your view of the backstop? What does that possibility have to do with justice? I have explained it before, as northern ireland voted to remain in the eu which then is justice as they can stay, instead of being dragged down. Sorry shag but that's not how it goes, the vote was to leave so saying one region or area because they voted remain should be treated differently is wrong.. One could easily make a similar case for the City of London in relation to the financial sector still having the same access before the vote.. And I say that as a remain voter who has seen the bad old days in NI and think the GFA should not be touched as its too important.. Fudging the issue undermines what was a complete shambles yes but that's where we are.. I am also a remainer and I cant see how the union is democratic, can you? It is good that the eu can see what is good for northern ireland and hopefully to let them stay which looks like they can. Odd though isn't it, how many nations and the EU criticised / condemned Russia's annexation of Crimea and yet the 'backstop' appears to be a covert instrument by the EU to do exactly the same with Northern Ireland. Their whole 'insurance policy' ploy is so transparent. The backstop is a safeguard for the EU for when they shaft us over any future 'deal'" The backstop is to ensure that the GFA isnt trashed. Comparisons between NI/EU and Russia/Ukraine are specious at best | |||
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"There seems to be a glimmer of hope that they can stay in the custom union and large parts of the single market, whats your view of the backstop? What does that possibility have to do with justice? I have explained it before, as northern ireland voted to remain in the eu which then is justice as they can stay, instead of being dragged down. Sorry shag but that's not how it goes, the vote was to leave so saying one region or area because they voted remain should be treated differently is wrong.. One could easily make a similar case for the City of London in relation to the financial sector still having the same access before the vote.. And I say that as a remain voter who has seen the bad old days in NI and think the GFA should not be touched as its too important.. Fudging the issue undermines what was a complete shambles yes but that's where we are.. I am also a remainer and I cant see how the union is democratic, can you? It is good that the eu can see what is good for northern ireland and hopefully to let them stay which looks like they can. Odd though isn't it, how many nations and the EU criticised / condemned Russia's annexation of Crimea and yet the 'backstop' appears to be a covert instrument by the EU to do exactly the same with Northern Ireland. Their whole 'insurance policy' ploy is so transparent. The backstop is a safeguard for the EU for when they shaft us over any future 'deal' The backstop is to ensure that the GFA isnt trashed. Comparisons between NI/EU and Russia/Ukraine are specious at best" Agreed, some of the ignorance shown is highly damning  | |||
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"N.Ireland seems to be a constant thorn in the side.. on many subjects. I'd fuck them off if it were down to me, fed up about hearing about them to be honest." Yeah great imput you troll, go back under your bridge, ye sad excuse for a human. | |||
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"There seems to be a glimmer of hope that they can stay in the custom union and large parts of the single market, whats your view of the backstop? What does that possibility have to do with justice? I have explained it before, as northern ireland voted to remain in the eu which then is justice as they can stay, instead of being dragged down. Sorry shag but that's not how it goes, the vote was to leave so saying one region or area because they voted remain should be treated differently is wrong.. One could easily make a similar case for the City of London in relation to the financial sector still having the same access before the vote.. And I say that as a remain voter who has seen the bad old days in NI and think the GFA should not be touched as its too important.. Fudging the issue undermines what was a complete shambles yes but that's where we are.. I am also a remainer and I cant see how the union is democratic, can you? It is good that the eu can see what is good for northern ireland and hopefully to let them stay which looks like they can. It's democratic in that votes are equal on such matters, then we have the devolved Governments of the separate parts which not yet full governance is better than it was.. " Yes, but if you look it this way, even if the other 3 countries voted to remain it would never happen as it is about what country have the largest amount of population, if we added it all together it is 10 million against 50 million of the uk, so is there any point the other vote? That is why the union is not democratic. | |||
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"N.Ireland seems to be a constant thorn in the side.. on many subjects. I'd fuck them off if it were down to me, fed up about hearing about them to be honest. Yeah great imput you troll, go back under your bridge, ye sad excuse for a human. " I'm not trolling. But now I'm lolling. It's how I feel. | |||
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"N.Ireland seems to be a constant thorn in the side.. on many subjects. I'd fuck them off if it were down to me, fed up about hearing about them to be honest. Yeah great imput you troll, go back under your bridge, ye sad excuse for a human. I'm not trolling. But now I'm lolling. It's how I feel. " Trust me, we don't want anything to do with your kind either. Uneducated fools. | |||
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"There seems to be a glimmer of hope that they can stay in the custom union and large parts of the single market, whats your view of the backstop? What does that possibility have to do with justice? I have explained it before, as northern ireland voted to remain in the eu which then is justice as they can stay, instead of being dragged down. Sorry shag but that's not how it goes, the vote was to leave so saying one region or area because they voted remain should be treated differently is wrong.. One could easily make a similar case for the City of London in relation to the financial sector still having the same access before the vote.. And I say that as a remain voter who has seen the bad old days in NI and think the GFA should not be touched as its too important.. Fudging the issue undermines what was a complete shambles yes but that's where we are.. I am also a remainer and I cant see how the union is democratic, can you? It is good that the eu can see what is good for northern ireland and hopefully to let them stay which looks like they can. It's democratic in that votes are equal on such matters, then we have the devolved Governments of the separate parts which not yet full governance is better than it was.. Yes, but if you look it this way, even if the other 3 countries voted to remain it would never happen as it is about what country have the largest amount of population, if we added it all together it is 10 million against 50 million of the uk, so is there any point the other vote? That is why the union is not democratic." your a patient man my friend. I can't help but get annoyed at the ignorance. | |||
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"There seems to be a glimmer of hope that they can stay in the custom union and large parts of the single market, whats your view of the backstop? What does that possibility have to do with justice? I have explained it before, as northern ireland voted to remain in the eu which then is justice as they can stay, instead of being dragged down. Sorry shag but that's not how it goes, the vote was to leave so saying one region or area because they voted remain should be treated differently is wrong.. One could easily make a similar case for the City of London in relation to the financial sector still having the same access before the vote.. And I say that as a remain voter who has seen the bad old days in NI and think the GFA should not be touched as its too important.. Fudging the issue undermines what was a complete shambles yes but that's where we are.. I am also a remainer and I cant see how the union is democratic, can you? It is good that the eu can see what is good for northern ireland and hopefully to let them stay which looks like they can. It's democratic in that votes are equal on such matters, then we have the devolved Governments of the separate parts which not yet full governance is better than it was.. Yes, but if you look it this way, even if the other 3 countries voted to remain it would never happen as it is about what country have the largest amount of population, if we added it all together it is 10 million against 50 million of the uk, so is there any point the other vote? That is why the union is not democratic. your a patient man my friend. I can't help but get annoyed at the ignorance. "Ty and same here pal | |||
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"There seems to be a glimmer of hope that they can stay in the custom union and large parts of the single market, whats your view of the backstop? What does that possibility have to do with justice? I have explained it before, as northern ireland voted to remain in the eu which then is justice as they can stay, instead of being dragged down. Sorry shag but that's not how it goes, the vote was to leave so saying one region or area because they voted remain should be treated differently is wrong.. One could easily make a similar case for the City of London in relation to the financial sector still having the same access before the vote.. And I say that as a remain voter who has seen the bad old days in NI and think the GFA should not be touched as its too important.. Fudging the issue undermines what was a complete shambles yes but that's where we are.. I am also a remainer and I cant see how the union is democratic, can you? It is good that the eu can see what is good for northern ireland and hopefully to let them stay which looks like they can. It's democratic in that votes are equal on such matters, then we have the devolved Governments of the separate parts which not yet full governance is better than it was.. Yes, but if you look it this way, even if the other 3 countries voted to remain it would never happen as it is about what country have the largest amount of population, if we added it all together it is 10 million against 50 million of the uk, so is there any point the other vote? That is why the union is not democratic." It was a national vote, therefore regional populations are totally irrelevant.. It's simply nonsense to try and say that there is no democracy for any of the devolved regions based on how they voted in what was again to clarify a vote for the whole of the union.. | |||
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"There seems to be a glimmer of hope that they can stay in the custom union and large parts of the single market, whats your view of the backstop? What does that possibility have to do with justice? I have explained it before, as northern ireland voted to remain in the eu which then is justice as they can stay, instead of being dragged down. Sorry shag but that's not how it goes, the vote was to leave so saying one region or area because they voted remain should be treated differently is wrong.. One could easily make a similar case for the City of London in relation to the financial sector still having the same access before the vote.. And I say that as a remain voter who has seen the bad old days in NI and think the GFA should not be touched as its too important.. Fudging the issue undermines what was a complete shambles yes but that's where we are.. I am also a remainer and I cant see how the union is democratic, can you? It is good that the eu can see what is good for northern ireland and hopefully to let them stay which looks like they can. It's democratic in that votes are equal on such matters, then we have the devolved Governments of the separate parts which not yet full governance is better than it was.. Yes, but if you look it this way, even if the other 3 countries voted to remain it would never happen as it is about what country have the largest amount of population, if we added it all together it is 10 million against 50 million of the uk, so is there any point the other vote? That is why the union is not democratic. It was a national vote, therefore regional populations are totally irrelevant.. It's simply nonsense to try and say that there is no democracy for any of the devolved regions based on how they voted in what was again to clarify a vote for the whole of the union.. " Explain how it was democracy for Ireland? | |||
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"N.Ireland seems to be a constant thorn in the side.. on many subjects. I'd fuck them off if it were down to me, fed up about hearing about them to be honest. Yeah great imput you troll, go back under your bridge, ye sad excuse for a human. I'm not trolling. But now I'm lolling. It's how I feel. Trust me, we don't want anything to do with your kind either. Uneducated fools. " My kind? Uneducated? I've got a GNVQ I'll have you know | |||
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"There seems to be a glimmer of hope that they can stay in the custom union and large parts of the single market, whats your view of the backstop? What does that possibility have to do with justice? I have explained it before, as northern ireland voted to remain in the eu which then is justice as they can stay, instead of being dragged down. Sorry shag but that's not how it goes, the vote was to leave so saying one region or area because they voted remain should be treated differently is wrong.. One could easily make a similar case for the City of London in relation to the financial sector still having the same access before the vote.. And I say that as a remain voter who has seen the bad old days in NI and think the GFA should not be touched as its too important.. Fudging the issue undermines what was a complete shambles yes but that's where we are.. I am also a remainer and I cant see how the union is democratic, can you? It is good that the eu can see what is good for northern ireland and hopefully to let them stay which looks like they can. It's democratic in that votes are equal on such matters, then we have the devolved Governments of the separate parts which not yet full governance is better than it was.. Yes, but if you look it this way, even if the other 3 countries voted to remain it would never happen as it is about what country have the largest amount of population, if we added it all together it is 10 million against 50 million of the uk, so is there any point the other vote? That is why the union is not democratic. It was a national vote, therefore regional populations are totally irrelevant.. It's simply nonsense to try and say that there is no democracy for any of the devolved regions based on how they voted in what was again to clarify a vote for the whole of the union.. Explain how it was democracy for Ireland? " Sorry but this is getting really repetitive now, without being flippant it was as democratic for Northern Ireland as it was for the residents of 66 Acacia avenue or the Borough of Wandsworth.. I voted to remain but guess what I accept that what happened with all the shenanigans of some parts of the leave campaign has happened and like it or not it is democracy.. | |||
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"N.Ireland seems to be a constant thorn in the side.. on many subjects. I'd fuck them off if it were down to me, fed up about hearing about them to be honest." Especially if you consider it costs the tax payer in the UK €67 per day each to subsidise the population, whereas a Syrian refugee stands the Tax payer in at only € 21.70 per day . Personally i say the UK should get its sorry arse out of another Nations affairs & let it get on with the buisness of determining its own destiny. There might be a few thousand who need to plant themselves back on there mainland but i doubt to many. A nati9n once again  | |||
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" Odd though isn't it, how many nations and the EU criticised / condemned Russia's annexation of Crimea and yet the 'backstop' appears to be a covert instrument by the EU to do exactly the same with Northern Ireland. Their whole 'insurance policy' ploy is so transparent. The backstop is a safeguard for the EU for when they shaft us over any future 'deal'" Ireland. Not the EU. You're catching on. Ire;land is using the clout of the EU to bind the island. With the backing of 26 other countries. And the UK hasn't a fucking clue what to do about it. | |||
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"Sadly trouble has flared up again in Derry - a reminder of what it used to be like! "Bring back the good old days eh? Brexit - the gift that just keeps on giving! So awful that another innocent life has been taken for some cack handed nonsense about taking back control! | |||
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" Odd though isn't it, how many nations and the EU criticised / condemned Russia's annexation of Crimea and yet the 'backstop' appears to be a covert instrument by the EU to do exactly the same with Northern Ireland. Their whole 'insurance policy' ploy is so transparent. The backstop is a safeguard for the EU for when they shaft us over any future 'deal' Ireland. Not the EU. You're catching on. Ire;land is using the clout of the EU to bind the island. With the backing of 26 other countries. And the UK hasn't a fucking clue what to do about it. " It is the backstop that will save northern ireland | |||
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"Sadly trouble has flared up again in Derry - a reminder of what it used to be like! "That has nothing to do with Brexit, that is the actions of a minority Hard line Republican terror group. If you research Saoradh (political wing of the New IRA), they no more want to be part of the EU than they want the North to be part of the UK. | |||
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"Sadly trouble has flared up again in Derry - a reminder of what it used to be like!
That has nothing to do with Brexit, that is the actions of a minority Hard line Republican terror group.
If you research Saoradh (political wing of the New IRA), they no more want to be part of the EU than they want the North to be part of the UK."Sadly the vitriol and political vacuum caused by Brexit is very relevant to why their is a resurgence in violence, not just in Derry. Nationalism is dangerous for all of us. | |||
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"Sadly trouble has flared up again in Derry - a reminder of what it used to be like!
That has nothing to do with Brexit, that is the actions of a minority Hard line Republican terror group.
If you research Saoradh (political wing of the New IRA), they no more want to be part of the EU than they want the North to be part of the UK.
Sadly the vitriol and political vacuum caused by Brexit is very relevant to why their is a resurgence in violence, not just in Derry.
Nationalism is dangerous for all of us. "Can you clarify which nationalism you blame? Pipe bombs, violence, attempted murder, intimidation etc is still a part of the reality of life over here. Thankfully not on the level we saw in the past. It is naive to believe that there has been no violence up until Brexit. If the country had voted remain, the aspiration for a United Ireland would still be a driver for dissident terrorists. | |||
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"N.Ireland seems to be a constant thorn in the side.. on many subjects. I'd fuck them off if it were down to me, fed up about hearing about them to be honest." What happened to the idea of sovereignty for the UK? I dont remember being told that we should use it as an excuse to break up the UK | |||
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"N.Ireland seems to be a constant thorn in the side.. on many subjects. I'd fuck them off if it were down to me, fed up about hearing about them to be honest. What happened to the idea of sovereignty for the UK? I dont remember being told that we should use it as an excuse to break up the UK" Don't ask me, I couldn't give a fuck about all this Brexit nonsense. Corrupt politicians will always govern us as long as stupid people keep voting for same parties. Doesn't matter if they're British or European to me.. As for N.Ireland as a country? I'd wish it'd just fuck off with its problems. Two sets of people who broadly hold the same archaic views as each other, at loggerheads because they refuse to stop hating one another and just live and let live. They've all gotten off scott-free from their barbarism, yet British soldiers sent in to keep the peace and stop you tearing chunks off one another, aren't afforded the same immunity. Add to that they're happy to make corrupt, anti-representative deals to get an unfair slice of the UK financial pie. Add to that this fucking backstop bollocks. Add to that their parliament being brought to a standstill. Fucking everything up for normal people who want nothing to do with all this shit and just get on with their lives. I'm done. I like the people, but the politics are even worse than The UK as a whole.. and that's saying something. | |||
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"There seems to be a glimmer of hope that they can stay in the custom union and large parts of the single market, whats your view of the backstop? What does that possibility have to do with justice? I have explained it before, as northern ireland voted to remain in the eu which then is justice as they can stay, instead of being dragged down. Sorry shag but that's not how it goes, the vote was to leave so saying one region or area because they voted remain should be treated differently is wrong.. One could easily make a similar case for the City of London in relation to the financial sector still having the same access before the vote.. And I say that as a remain voter who has seen the bad old days in NI and think the GFA should not be touched as its too important.. Fudging the issue undermines what was a complete shambles yes but that's where we are.. I am also a remainer and I cant see how the union is democratic, can you? It is good that the eu can see what is good for northern ireland and hopefully to let them stay which looks like they can. It's democratic in that votes are equal on such matters, then we have the devolved Governments of the separate parts which not yet full governance is better than it was.. Yes, but if you look it this way, even if the other 3 countries voted to remain it would never happen as it is about what country have the largest amount of population, if we added it all together it is 10 million against 50 million of the uk, so is there any point the other vote? That is why the union is not democratic." I think you will find that 46 million votes were issues,with roughly 37 million votes cast. | |||
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"N.Ireland seems to be a constant thorn in the side.. on many subjects. I'd fuck them off if it were down to me, fed up about hearing about them to be honest. What happened to the idea of sovereignty for the UK? I dont remember being told that we should use it as an excuse to break up the UK Don't ask me, I couldn't give a fuck about all this Brexit nonsense. Corrupt politicians will always govern us as long as stupid people keep voting for same parties. Doesn't matter if they're British or European to me.. As for N.Ireland as a country? I'd wish it'd just fuck off with its problems. Two sets of people who broadly hold the same archaic views as each other, at loggerheads because they refuse to stop hating one another and just live and let live. " Just for the Record there are not 2 sets of people . There are Irish people & there are British subjects claiming some sort of biased ambiguous claim on someone elses lump of Rock. Give the Rock back & the problem goes away. End of Story. | |||
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"N.Ireland seems to be a constant thorn in the side.. on many subjects. I'd fuck them off if it were down to me, fed up about hearing about them to be honest. What happened to the idea of sovereignty for the UK? I dont remember being told that we should use it as an excuse to break up the UK Don't ask me, I couldn't give a fuck about all this Brexit nonsense. Corrupt politicians will always govern us as long as stupid people keep voting for same parties. Doesn't matter if they're British or European to me.. As for N.Ireland as a country? I'd wish it'd just fuck off with its problems. Two sets of people who broadly hold the same archaic views as each other, at loggerheads because they refuse to stop hating one another and just live and let live. Just for the Record there are not 2 sets of people . There are Irish people & there are British subjects claiming some sort of biased ambiguous claim on someone elses lump of Rock. Give the Rock back & the problem goes away. End of Story." IF it were down to me, I'd happily give it back, though I imagine many of the same problems will remain. Land doesn't belong to anyone. It's just borrowed till the next people come along. | |||
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"N.Ireland seems to be a constant thorn in the side.. on many subjects. I'd fuck them off if it were down to me, fed up about hearing about them to be honest. What happened to the idea of sovereignty for the UK? I dont remember being told that we should use it as an excuse to break up the UK Don't ask me, I couldn't give a fuck about all this Brexit nonsense. Corrupt politicians will always govern us as long as stupid people keep voting for same parties. Doesn't matter if they're British or European to me.. As for N.Ireland as a country? I'd wish it'd just fuck off with its problems. Two sets of people who broadly hold the same archaic views as each other, at loggerheads because they refuse to stop hating one another and just live and let live. Just for the Record there are not 2 sets of people . There are Irish people & there are British subjects claiming some sort of biased ambiguous claim on someone elses lump of Rock. Give the Rock back & the problem goes away. End of Story. IF it were down to me, I'd happily give it back, though I imagine many of the same problems will remain. Land doesn't belong to anyone. It's just borrowed till the next people come along. " If you're happy with that thinking then the big island next to the mainland is European ?? ???? | |||
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"N.Ireland seems to be a constant thorn in the side.. on many subjects. I'd fuck them off if it were down to me, fed up about hearing about them to be honest. What happened to the idea of sovereignty for the UK? I dont remember being told that we should use it as an excuse to break up the UK Don't ask me, I couldn't give a fuck about all this Brexit nonsense. Corrupt politicians will always govern us as long as stupid people keep voting for same parties. Doesn't matter if they're British or European to me.. As for N.Ireland as a country? I'd wish it'd just fuck off with its problems. Two sets of people who broadly hold the same archaic views as each other, at loggerheads because they refuse to stop hating one another and just live and let live. Just for the Record there are not 2 sets of people . There are Irish people & there are British subjects claiming some sort of biased ambiguous claim on someone elses lump of Rock. Give the Rock back & the problem goes away. End of Story. IF it were down to me, I'd happily give it back, though I imagine many of the same problems will remain. Land doesn't belong to anyone. It's just borrowed till the next people come along. If you're happy with that thinking then the big island next to the mainland is European ?? ????" I don't really care if it is or not. | |||
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"N.Ireland seems to be a constant thorn in the side.. on many subjects. I'd fuck them off if it were down to me, fed up about hearing about them to be honest. What happened to the idea of sovereignty for the UK? I dont remember being told that we should use it as an excuse to break up the UK Don't ask me, I couldn't give a fuck about all this Brexit nonsense. Corrupt politicians will always govern us as long as stupid people keep voting for same parties. Doesn't matter if they're British or European to me.. As for N.Ireland as a country? I'd wish it'd just fuck off with its problems. Two sets of people who broadly hold the same archaic views as each other, at loggerheads because they refuse to stop hating one another and just live and let live. Just for the Record there are not 2 sets of people . There are Irish people & there are British subjects claiming some sort of biased ambiguous claim on someone elses lump of Rock. Give the Rock back & the problem goes away. End of Story. IF it were down to me, I'd happily give it back, though I imagine many of the same problems will remain. Land doesn't belong to anyone. It's just borrowed till the next people come along. " What a hypocrite! | |||
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"N.Ireland seems to be a constant thorn in the side.. on many subjects. I'd fuck them off if it were down to me, fed up about hearing about them to be honest. What happened to the idea of sovereignty for the UK? I dont remember being told that we should use it as an excuse to break up the UK Don't ask me, I couldn't give a fuck about all this Brexit nonsense. Corrupt politicians will always govern us as long as stupid people keep voting for same parties. Doesn't matter if they're British or European to me.. As for N.Ireland as a country? I'd wish it'd just fuck off with its problems. Two sets of people who broadly hold the same archaic views as each other, at loggerheads because they refuse to stop hating one another and just live and let live. Just for the Record there are not 2 sets of people . There are Irish people & there are British subjects claiming some sort of biased ambiguous claim on someone elses lump of Rock. Give the Rock back & the problem goes away. End of Story. IF it were down to me, I'd happily give it back, though I imagine many of the same problems will remain. Land doesn't belong to anyone. It's just borrowed till the next people come along. What a hypocrite! "How so? | |||
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"N.Ireland seems to be a constant thorn in the side.. on many subjects. I'd fuck them off if it were down to me, fed up about hearing about them to be honest. What happened to the idea of sovereignty for the UK? I dont remember being told that we should use it as an excuse to break up the UK Don't ask me, I couldn't give a fuck about all this Brexit nonsense. Corrupt politicians will always govern us as long as stupid people keep voting for same parties. Doesn't matter if they're British or European to me.. As for N.Ireland as a country? I'd wish it'd just fuck off with its problems. Two sets of people who broadly hold the same archaic views as each other, at loggerheads because they refuse to stop hating one another and just live and let live. Just for the Record there are not 2 sets of people . There are Irish people & there are British subjects claiming some sort of biased ambiguous claim on someone elses lump of Rock. Give the Rock back & the problem goes away. End of Story." Falklands and Gibraltar sorted too. | |||
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"N.Ireland seems to be a constant thorn in the side.. on many subjects. I'd fuck them off if it were down to me, fed up about hearing about them to be honest. What happened to the idea of sovereignty for the UK? I dont remember being told that we should use it as an excuse to break up the UK Don't ask me, I couldn't give a fuck about all this Brexit nonsense. Corrupt politicians will always govern us as long as stupid people keep voting for same parties. Doesn't matter if they're British or European to me.. As for N.Ireland as a country? I'd wish it'd just fuck off with its problems. Two sets of people who broadly hold the same archaic views as each other, at loggerheads because they refuse to stop hating one another and just live and let live. Just for the Record there are not 2 sets of people . There are Irish people & there are British subjects claiming some sort of biased ambiguous claim on someone elses lump of Rock. Give the Rock back & the problem goes away. End of Story. IF it were down to me, I'd happily give it back, though I imagine many of the same problems will remain. Land doesn't belong to anyone. It's just borrowed till the next people come along. What a hypocrite! "Also, if you're going to block me because of my views. I'd advise you don't try and engage me in the Forum. I think there are rules about that kind of thing "Using the forum to get around a block". | |||
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" Also, if you're going to block me because of my views. I'd advise you don't try and engage me in the Forum. I think there are rules about that kind of thing "Using the forum to get around a block"." I think you've got that the wrong way round | |||
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" Also, if you're going to block me because of my views. I'd advise you don't try and engage me in the Forum. I think there are rules about that kind of thing "Using the forum to get around a block". I think you've got that the wrong way round "In normal circumstances.. I'd agree, but I've not initiated things, just replying. | |||
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" Also, if you're going to block me because of my views. I'd advise you don't try and engage me in the Forum. I think there are rules about that kind of thing "Using the forum to get around a block". I think you've got that the wrong way round
In normal circumstances.. I'd agree, but I've not initiated things, just replying."If you had blocked them/him/her and THEY tried engaging You in the Forum then yes but they've blocked you, you said | |||
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" Also, if you're going to block me because of my views. I'd advise you don't try and engage me in the Forum. I think there are rules about that kind of thing "Using the forum to get around a block". I think you've got that the wrong way round
In normal circumstances.. I'd agree, but I've not initiated things, just replying.
If you had blocked them/him/her and THEY tried engaging You in the Forum then yes but they've blocked you, you said "I know.. I shouldn't have to remind him. | |||
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"DUP is the largest party I think they represent a fair few lol" They received just over 290,000 votes...so they represent just a few (in fact only 36% of the votes cast) | |||
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"DUP is the largest party I think they represent a fair few lol They received just over 290,000 votes...so they represent just a few (in fact only 36% of the votes cast)" However you wish to present it they have more MPs than any other party. If they did not represent a majority opinion they would not have returned as many votes or MPs as they did . | |||
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"Sadly trouble has flared up again in Derry - a reminder of what it used to be like!
That has nothing to do with Brexit, that is the actions of a minority Hard line Republican terror group.
If you research Saoradh (political wing of the New IRA), they no more want to be part of the EU than they want the North to be part of the UK.
Sadly the vitriol and political vacuum caused by Brexit is very relevant to why their is a resurgence in violence, not just in Derry.
Nationalism is dangerous for all of us. "The violence in the Creggan has nothing to do with Brexit whatsoever . It was an organised reaction to police searches for arms, ammunition and explosives. Derry has for many years been a stronghold for Dissident Republicans from whichever grouping/name they are calling themselves today. There are approximately 300 border crossing points between the ROI and Northern Ireland. I have frequently heard politicians talk about the border and a hard border as it it were the main road from Belfast to Dublin with maybe 2 or 3 other crossings around Fermanagh and Derry . No. 300 major and minor crossing points all of which can be easily crossed . Some stats say 275 which might omit some of the more minor crossing points . Having walked and driven around the border extensively, it would be physically and financially impossible to construct a “hard border “. It’s a non starter. It’s classic fake news. Anyone who knows the border area will tell you this. Back in the day, many of the minor border crossing points were disabled by the British Army to prevent crossing by terrorist groupings by way of effectively using explosives to create a huge crater or dismantling bridges. That will never happen again, nor will having 300 odd manned border checkpoints with customs provisions. Just for info as it gets tiring when a little knowledge expands into mass delusion and hysteria | |||
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