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"sounds like most goverments.dont most of them do what they like wether the public want them to or not?"  | |||
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"When have mps or governments ever represented the public" That's a hard question for a Sunday night  | |||
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"When have mps or governments ever represented the public" Government is not meant to represent the public, Government is meant to govern. It is Parliament that represents the public but Parliament is not meant to just represent just one group of people or even the majority of people; Parliament is meant to represent all the people and all their views. And that is exactly what it's doing. | |||
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"Yes, that's what 17 million people voted for so we could make our own rules and take control. " And that’s working out well!! | |||
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"I reckon it does especially now with brexit, a totalitarian state is a form of government in which the state has no limits in authority and does whatever it wants, sounds like brexit dont it?" No. | |||
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"I think you might be confusing totalitarian and authoritarian. There definitely seems to be a shift in mood from liberalism to authoritarianism, on the right anyway. " Yes they are almost the same and yes, there is definitively a shift towards those. | |||
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"Yes, that's what 17 million people voted for so we could make our own rules and take control. " Yes, that is right | |||
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"I reckon it does especially now with brexit, a totalitarian state is a form of government in which the state has no limits in authority and does whatever it wants, sounds like brexit dont it?" Sound like Turkey. Or Russia. Or Syria. Or the Philipines. Or ow America is increasingly more quickly going. Not tat there is ANY connection between Trump and Farage at all and the whole Brexit/polorisation of 'left' and right business as clickbait for votes shit that's been going on for the last few years. And yes. how Britain is sliding too. Fair play to David Lammy. | |||
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"When have mps or governments ever represented the public Government is not meant to represent the public, Government is meant to govern. It is Parliament that represents the public but Parliament is not meant to just represent just one group of people or even the majority of people; Parliament is meant to represent all the people and all their views. And that is exactly what it's doing. " It is not representing the majority | |||
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"I reckon it does especially now with brexit, a totalitarian state is a form of government in which the state has no limits in authority and does whatever it wants, sounds like brexit dont it? Sound like Turkey. Or Russia. Or Syria. Or the Philipines. Or ow America is increasingly more quickly going. Not tat there is ANY connection between Trump and Farage at all and the whole Brexit/polorisation of 'left' and right business as clickbait for votes shit that's been going on for the last few years. And yes. how Britain is sliding too. Fair play to David Lammy." David Lammy very ignorant and abusive creature,a discrace to the human race | |||
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"When have mps or governments ever represented the public Government is not meant to represent the public, Government is meant to govern. It is Parliament that represents the public but Parliament is not meant to just represent just one group of people or even the majority of people; Parliament is meant to represent all the people and all their views. And that is exactly what it's doing. It is not representing the majority" Which majority are you referring to? The majority of voters, the majority of those who voted for the Tory’s or the 37% majority who voted for Brexit?  | |||
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"I reckon it does especially now with brexit, a totalitarian state is a form of government in which the state has no limits in authority and does whatever it wants, sounds like brexit dont it? Sound like Turkey. Or Russia. Or Syria. Or the Philipines. Or ow America is increasingly more quickly going. Not tat there is ANY connection between Trump and Farage at all and the whole Brexit/polorisation of 'left' and right business as clickbait for votes shit that's been going on for the last few years. And yes. how Britain is sliding too. Fair play to David Lammy.David Lammy very ignorant and abusive creature,a discrace to the human race" Is he indeed! Pray tell and explain your vitriol. I have issues with him myself, but your response suggests I might have missed something? (Is he as bad as Hitler?) (Or Thatcher?) | |||
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"I reckon it does especially now with brexit, a totalitarian state is a form of government in which the state has no limits in authority and does whatever it wants, sounds like brexit dont it? Sound like Turkey. Or Russia. Or Syria. Or the Philipines. Or ow America is increasingly more quickly going. Not tat there is ANY connection between Trump and Farage at all and the whole Brexit/polorisation of 'left' and right business as clickbait for votes shit that's been going on for the last few years. And yes. how Britain is sliding too. Fair play to David Lammy.David Lammy very ignorant and abusive creature,a discrace to the human race Is he indeed! Pray tell and explain your vitriol. I have issues with him myself, but your response suggests I might have missed something? (Is he as bad as Hitler?) (Or Thatcher?)" Well saying that he considered brexiteers as naxis,that is very offensive and 100% wrong and totalally out of order.I know you might say he was only referring to Reece Mogg but he was also very abusive on question time the other week.If I could afford it I would take him to court for slander | |||
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"I reckon it does especially now with brexit, a totalitarian state is a form of government in which the state has no limits in authority and does whatever it wants, sounds like brexit dont it? Sound like Turkey. Or Russia. Or Syria. Or the Philipines. Or ow America is increasingly more quickly going. Not tat there is ANY connection between Trump and Farage at all and the whole Brexit/polorisation of 'left' and right business as clickbait for votes shit that's been going on for the last few years. And yes. how Britain is sliding too. Fair play to David Lammy.David Lammy very ignorant and abusive creature,a discrace to the human race Is he indeed! Pray tell and explain your vitriol. I have issues with him myself, but your response suggests I might have missed something? (Is he as bad as Hitler?) (Or Thatcher?)Well saying that he considered brexiteers as naxis,that is very offensive and 100% wrong and totalally out of order.I know you might say he was only referring to Reece Mogg but he was also very abusive on question time the other week.If I could afford it I would take him to court for slander" Yes, it would be offensive, wrong and totally out of order. If he did it. But he didn't. Did he? No. So not really a very good basis for a court case, is it? But I guess that doesn't matter in your fairy tale land, does it? Someone said something you don't agree with. So you must be able to take them to court, surely! -Matt | |||
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"When have mps or governments ever represented the public Government is not meant to represent the public, Government is meant to govern. It is Parliament that represents the public but Parliament is not meant to just represent just one group of people or even the majority of people; Parliament is meant to represent all the people and all their views. And that is exactly what it's doing. It is not representing the majority" Parliament is not meant to represent the majority, it's meant to represent everybody and all their views. It's one of the fundamentals of any working representative democracy that representatives between them represent all the people and all their views, not just the views of a few, or many, or even the majority; but all. | |||
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"When have mps or governments ever represented the public Government is not meant to represent the public, Government is meant to govern. It is Parliament that represents the public but Parliament is not meant to just represent just one group of people or even the majority of people; Parliament is meant to represent all the people and all their views. And that is exactly what it's doing. It is not representing the majority Which majority are you referring to? The majority of voters, the majority of those who voted for the Tory’s or the 37% majority who voted for Brexit? "More importantly, if parliament just did what the 37% wanted who would be representing the 63% who didn't actually vote for this. | |||
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"I reckon it does especially now with brexit, a totalitarian state is a form of government in which the state has no limits in authority and does whatever it wants, sounds like brexit dont it? Sound like Turkey. Or Russia. Or Syria. Or the Philipines. Or ow America is increasingly more quickly going. Not tat there is ANY connection between Trump and Farage at all and the whole Brexit/polorisation of 'left' and right business as clickbait for votes shit that's been going on for the last few years. And yes. how Britain is sliding too. Fair play to David Lammy.David Lammy very ignorant and abusive creature,a discrace to the human race Is he indeed! Pray tell and explain your vitriol. I have issues with him myself, but your response suggests I might have missed something? (Is he as bad as Hitler?) (Or Thatcher?)" I too have issues with Lammy, however I have issues with anyone comparing politicians with murderous dictators who's policies and intent was the murder of millions. I often think that those who call politicians and people they don't agree fascist or Nazi clearly have absolutely no understanding of what fascism and national socialism were all about. It's just as annoying, off the point and ignorant of the facts as when others try claiming that because people died fighting that evil we should leave the EU. I lot of people on both sides really need to read up on what WWII was actually about and what fascist and Nazi actually were. | |||
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"So was David Lammy wrong: They really don’t like it up ’em, do they? The horrific mutation of Eton, ego and the European Research Group (ERG) that produces the likes of Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg must not be called nasty names. Oh, no. It has been suggested that the Labour MP David Lammy went too far on The Andrew Marr Show when he said that comparing the ERG – a group of Tory MPs that supports a hard Brexit – to Nazis was “not strong enough”. Marr challenged Lammy on his language, pointing out that the MPs he was referring to were elected representatives. Lammy responded: “I don’t care how elected they were – so was the far right in Germany.” Lammy’s rhetoric has been criticised, but let’s join the dots. Johnson says he is pro-immigration, and says he has only met Steve Bannon twice. I haven’t got all day to rehearse the racist remarks Johnson has made over the years. Rees-Mogg posted a video of the leader of the German political party Alternative für Deutschland (AfD), although he said afterwards he “was not endorsing” them. The AfD march alongside neo-Nazis, want refugee boats sunk and say Islam is worse than the plague. In 2013, Rees-Mogg went to dinner with the Traditional Britain Group, although he said he had “clearly made a mistake” by doing so, even though he admits he had been tipped off about their views. That group’s Facebook page has called for Doreen Lawrence and “millions of others” to be “requested to return to their natural homelands”. The BBC has reported that leading Brexiters informally call themselves Grand Wizards. Whether this is a reference to the leaders of the white-supremacist Ku Klux Klan is, I suppose, debatable. Maybe Lammy should have toned it down, and referred to neo-Nazis. Maybe he should believe all these people are enthusiastic anti-racists. Maybe after his advocacy over Windrush and Grenfell, he has simply had enough. On that same programme, Marr interviewed Gerard Batten, the Ukip leader, who claimed his new adviser Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (I refuse to use his made-up name, Tommy Robinson) “doesn’t have far-right views”. The far right always pretends it is not the far right. That is the game it excels at, and the BBC plays right into it. Lammy refused to play by their rules, and who can blame him? Source Guardian, but before you say so what then, it is all factually correct. " I still don't think Lammy did himself, or his cause, any favours with his comparisons. | |||
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"I reckon it does especially now with brexit, a totalitarian state is a form of government in which the state has no limits in authority and does whatever it wants, sounds like brexit dont it? Sound like Turkey. Or Russia. Or Syria. Or the Philipines. Or ow America is increasingly more quickly going. Not tat there is ANY connection between Trump and Farage at all and the whole Brexit/polorisation of 'left' and right business as clickbait for votes shit that's been going on for the last few years. And yes. how Britain is sliding too. Fair play to David Lammy.David Lammy very ignorant and abusive creature,a discrace to the human race Is he indeed! Pray tell and explain your vitriol. I have issues with him myself, but your response suggests I might have missed something? (Is he as bad as Hitler?) (Or Thatcher?) I too have issues with Lammy, however I have issues with anyone comparing politicians with murderous dictators who's policies and intent was the murder of millions. I often think that those who call politicians and people they don't agree fascist or Nazi clearly have absolutely no understanding of what fascism and national socialism were all about. It's just as annoying, off the point and ignorant of the facts as when others try claiming that because people died fighting that evil we should leave the EU. I lot of people on both sides really need to read up on what WWII was actually about and what fascist and Nazi actually were." I think that he does, and that's why he compared them. Hitler didn't start with death camps, you know - he was democratically elected. Although I still see a more valid comparison with Fascism, especially Mussolini. | |||
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"I reckon it does especially now with brexit, a totalitarian state is a form of government in which the state has no limits in authority and does whatever it wants, sounds like brexit dont it? Sound like Turkey. Or Russia. Or Syria. Or the Philipines. Or ow America is increasingly more quickly going. Not tat there is ANY connection between Trump and Farage at all and the whole Brexit/polorisation of 'left' and right business as clickbait for votes shit that's been going on for the last few years. And yes. how Britain is sliding too. Fair play to David Lammy.David Lammy very ignorant and abusive creature,a discrace to the human race Is he indeed! Pray tell and explain your vitriol. I have issues with him myself, but your response suggests I might have missed something? (Is he as bad as Hitler?) (Or Thatcher?) I too have issues with Lammy, however I have issues with anyone comparing politicians with murderous dictators who's policies and intent was the murder of millions. I often think that those who call politicians and people they don't agree fascist or Nazi clearly have absolutely no understanding of what fascism and national socialism were all about. It's just as annoying, off the point and ignorant of the facts as when others try claiming that because people died fighting that evil we should leave the EU. I lot of people on both sides really need to read up on what WWII was actually about and what fascist and Nazi actually were. I think that he does, and that's why he compared them. Hitler didn't start with death camps, you know - he was democratically elected. Although I still see a more valid comparison with Fascism, especially Mussolini." Michael Heseltine is endorsing many of David Lammy’s comments. I, like him, am concerned at the vitriol and venal comments coming from the leaders of Brexit. Trying to stir up anger for a cause that clearly is not overwhelmingly supported by most people is just dividing our country. Threats of violence (& actual violence and death for Jo Cox) is wholly unacceptable. Is Brexit worth this destruction of Britain? | |||
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"I reckon it does especially now with brexit, a totalitarian state is a form of government in which the state has no limits in authority and does whatever it wants, sounds like brexit dont it? Sound like Turkey. Or Russia. Or Syria. Or the Philipines. Or ow America is increasingly more quickly going. Not tat there is ANY connection between Trump and Farage at all and the whole Brexit/polorisation of 'left' and right business as clickbait for votes shit that's been going on for the last few years. And yes. how Britain is sliding too. Fair play to David Lammy.David Lammy very ignorant and abusive creature,a discrace to the human race Is he indeed! Pray tell and explain your vitriol. I have issues with him myself, but your response suggests I might have missed something? (Is he as bad as Hitler?) (Or Thatcher?) I too have issues with Lammy, however I have issues with anyone comparing politicians with murderous dictators who's policies and intent was the murder of millions. I often think that those who call politicians and people they don't agree fascist or Nazi clearly have absolutely no understanding of what fascism and national socialism were all about. It's just as annoying, off the point and ignorant of the facts as when others try claiming that because people died fighting that evil we should leave the EU. I lot of people on both sides really need to read up on what WWII was actually about and what fascist and Nazi actually were. I think that he does, and that's why he compared them. Hitler didn't start with death camps, you know - he was democratically elected. Although I still see a more valid comparison with Fascism, especially Mussolini. Michael Heseltine is endorsing many of David Lammy’s comments. I, like him, am concerned at the vitriol and venal comments coming from the leaders of Brexit. Trying to stir up anger for a cause that clearly is not overwhelmingly supported by most people is just dividing our country. Threats of violence (& actual violence and death for Jo Cox) is wholly unacceptable. Is Brexit worth this destruction of Britain?" It's really got fuck all to do with BREXIT. Jo Cox was murdered way before BREXIT was an all-consuming thing. It's got a lot more to do with the hostile environment and Tory MPs supporting other Fascists - to view it solely through the prism of BREXIT is almost insulting. | |||
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"I reckon it does especially now with brexit, a totalitarian state is a form of government in which the state has no limits in authority and does whatever it wants, sounds like brexit dont it? Sound like Turkey. Or Russia. Or Syria. Or the Philipines. Or ow America is increasingly more quickly going. Not tat there is ANY connection between Trump and Farage at all and the whole Brexit/polorisation of 'left' and right business as clickbait for votes shit that's been going on for the last few years. And yes. how Britain is sliding too. Fair play to David Lammy.David Lammy very ignorant and abusive creature,a discrace to the human race Is he indeed! Pray tell and explain your vitriol. I have issues with him myself, but your response suggests I might have missed something? (Is he as bad as Hitler?) (Or Thatcher?) I too have issues with Lammy, however I have issues with anyone comparing politicians with murderous dictators who's policies and intent was the murder of millions. I often think that those who call politicians and people they don't agree fascist or Nazi clearly have absolutely no understanding of what fascism and national socialism were all about. It's just as annoying, off the point and ignorant of the facts as when others try claiming that because people died fighting that evil we should leave the EU. I lot of people on both sides really need to read up on what WWII was actually about and what fascist and Nazi actually were. I think that he does, and that's why he compared them. Hitler didn't start with death camps, you know - he was democratically elected. Although I still see a more valid comparison with Fascism, especially Mussolini. Michael Heseltine is endorsing many of David Lammy’s comments. I, like him, am concerned at the vitriol and venal comments coming from the leaders of Brexit. Trying to stir up anger for a cause that clearly is not overwhelmingly supported by most people is just dividing our country. Threats of violence (& actual violence and death for Jo Cox) is wholly unacceptable. Is Brexit worth this destruction of Britain? It's really got fuck all to do with BREXIT. Jo Cox was murdered way before BREXIT was an all-consuming thing. It's got a lot more to do with the hostile environment and Tory MPs supporting other Fascists - to view it solely through the prism of BREXIT is almost insulting. " Now you are being disingenuous. Jo Cox died 1 week before the Referendum. This was clearly related. Get your facts and opinions right - insulting, bollox  | |||
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"I reckon it does especially now with brexit, a totalitarian state is a form of government in which the state has no limits in authority and does whatever it wants, sounds like brexit dont it? Sound like Turkey. Or Russia. Or Syria. Or the Philipines. Or ow America is increasingly more quickly going. Not tat there is ANY connection between Trump and Farage at all and the whole Brexit/polorisation of 'left' and right business as clickbait for votes shit that's been going on for the last few years. And yes. how Britain is sliding too. Fair play to David Lammy.David Lammy very ignorant and abusive creature,a discrace to the human race Is he indeed! Pray tell and explain your vitriol. I have issues with him myself, but your response suggests I might have missed something? (Is he as bad as Hitler?) (Or Thatcher?) I too have issues with Lammy, however I have issues with anyone comparing politicians with murderous dictators who's policies and intent was the murder of millions. I often think that those who call politicians and people they don't agree fascist or Nazi clearly have absolutely no understanding of what fascism and national socialism were all about. It's just as annoying, off the point and ignorant of the facts as when others try claiming that because people died fighting that evil we should leave the EU. I lot of people on both sides really need to read up on what WWII was actually about and what fascist and Nazi actually were. I think that he does, and that's why he compared them. Hitler didn't start with death camps, you know - he was democratically elected. Although I still see a more valid comparison with Fascism, especially Mussolini. Michael Heseltine is endorsing many of David Lammy’s comments. I, like him, am concerned at the vitriol and venal comments coming from the leaders of Brexit. Trying to stir up anger for a cause that clearly is not overwhelmingly supported by most people is just dividing our country. Threats of violence (& actual violence and death for Jo Cox) is wholly unacceptable. Is Brexit worth this destruction of Britain? It's really got fuck all to do with BREXIT. Jo Cox was murdered way before BREXIT was an all-consuming thing. It's got a lot more to do with the hostile environment and Tory MPs supporting other Fascists - to view it solely through the prism of BREXIT is almost insulting. " Jimmy that's bullshit. Your as bad as the far right nutters... | |||
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"I reckon it does especially now with brexit, a totalitarian state is a form of government in which the state has no limits in authority and does whatever it wants, sounds like brexit dont it? Sound like Turkey. Or Russia. Or Syria. Or the Philipines. Or ow America is increasingly more quickly going. Not tat there is ANY connection between Trump and Farage at all and the whole Brexit/polorisation of 'left' and right business as clickbait for votes shit that's been going on for the last few years. And yes. how Britain is sliding too. Fair play to David Lammy.David Lammy very ignorant and abusive creature,a discrace to the human race Is he indeed! Pray tell and explain your vitriol. I have issues with him myself, but your response suggests I might have missed something? (Is he as bad as Hitler?) (Or Thatcher?) I too have issues with Lammy, however I have issues with anyone comparing politicians with murderous dictators who's policies and intent was the murder of millions. I often think that those who call politicians and people they don't agree fascist or Nazi clearly have absolutely no understanding of what fascism and national socialism were all about. It's just as annoying, off the point and ignorant of the facts as when others try claiming that because people died fighting that evil we should leave the EU. I lot of people on both sides really need to read up on what WWII was actually about and what fascist and Nazi actually were. I think that he does, and that's why he compared them. Hitler didn't start with death camps, you know - he was democratically elected. Although I still see a more valid comparison with Fascism, especially Mussolini. Michael Heseltine is endorsing many of David Lammy’s comments. I, like him, am concerned at the vitriol and venal comments coming from the leaders of Brexit. Trying to stir up anger for a cause that clearly is not overwhelmingly supported by most people is just dividing our country. Threats of violence (& actual violence and death for Jo Cox) is wholly unacceptable. Is Brexit worth this destruction of Britain? It's really got fuck all to do with BREXIT. Jo Cox was murdered way before BREXIT was an all-consuming thing. It's got a lot more to do with the hostile environment and Tory MPs supporting other Fascists - to view it solely through the prism of BREXIT is almost insulting. Now you are being disingenuous. Jo Cox died 1 week before the Referendum. This was clearly related. Get your facts and opinions right - insulting, bollox "No it wasn't - go and research it. | |||
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"I reckon it does especially now with brexit, a totalitarian state is a form of government in which the state has no limits in authority and does whatever it wants, sounds like brexit dont it? Sound like Turkey. Or Russia. Or Syria. Or the Philipines. Or ow America is increasingly more quickly going. Not tat there is ANY connection between Trump and Farage at all and the whole Brexit/polorisation of 'left' and right business as clickbait for votes shit that's been going on for the last few years. And yes. how Britain is sliding too. Fair play to David Lammy.David Lammy very ignorant and abusive creature,a discrace to the human race Is he indeed! Pray tell and explain your vitriol. I have issues with him myself, but your response suggests I might have missed something? (Is he as bad as Hitler?) (Or Thatcher?) I too have issues with Lammy, however I have issues with anyone comparing politicians with murderous dictators who's policies and intent was the murder of millions. I often think that those who call politicians and people they don't agree fascist or Nazi clearly have absolutely no understanding of what fascism and national socialism were all about. It's just as annoying, off the point and ignorant of the facts as when others try claiming that because people died fighting that evil we should leave the EU. I lot of people on both sides really need to read up on what WWII was actually about and what fascist and Nazi actually were. I think that he does, and that's why he compared them. Hitler didn't start with death camps, you know - he was democratically elected. Although I still see a more valid comparison with Fascism, especially Mussolini. Michael Heseltine is endorsing many of David Lammy’s comments. I, like him, am concerned at the vitriol and venal comments coming from the leaders of Brexit. Trying to stir up anger for a cause that clearly is not overwhelmingly supported by most people is just dividing our country. Threats of violence (& actual violence and death for Jo Cox) is wholly unacceptable. Is Brexit worth this destruction of Britain? It's really got fuck all to do with BREXIT. Jo Cox was murdered way before BREXIT was an all-consuming thing. It's got a lot more to do with the hostile environment and Tory MPs supporting other Fascists - to view it solely through the prism of BREXIT is almost insulting. Jimmy that's bullshit. Your as bad as the far right nutters..." It's not at all bullshit - the far right have been on the rise for a while across Britain. BREXIT is a squabble between various strands of the right. To try and shoehorn everything into the narrow prism of BREXIT simply so that you can be smug and tell yourself "Remain good, BREXIT bad" is ridiculous. | |||
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"I reckon it does especially now with brexit, a totalitarian state is a form of government in which the state has no limits in authority and does whatever it wants, sounds like brexit dont it? Sound like Turkey. Or Russia. Or Syria. Or the Philipines. Or ow America is increasingly more quickly going. Not tat there is ANY connection between Trump and Farage at all and the whole Brexit/polorisation of 'left' and right business as clickbait for votes shit that's been going on for the last few years. And yes. how Britain is sliding too. Fair play to David Lammy.David Lammy very ignorant and abusive creature,a discrace to the human race Is he indeed! Pray tell and explain your vitriol. I have issues with him myself, but your response suggests I might have missed something? (Is he as bad as Hitler?) (Or Thatcher?) I too have issues with Lammy, however I have issues with anyone comparing politicians with murderous dictators who's policies and intent was the murder of millions. I often think that those who call politicians and people they don't agree fascist or Nazi clearly have absolutely no understanding of what fascism and national socialism were all about. It's just as annoying, off the point and ignorant of the facts as when others try claiming that because people died fighting that evil we should leave the EU. I lot of people on both sides really need to read up on what WWII was actually about and what fascist and Nazi actually were. I think that he does, and that's why he compared them. Hitler didn't start with death camps, you know - he was democratically elected. Although I still see a more valid comparison with Fascism, especially Mussolini. Michael Heseltine is endorsing many of David Lammy’s comments. I, like him, am concerned at the vitriol and venal comments coming from the leaders of Brexit. Trying to stir up anger for a cause that clearly is not overwhelmingly supported by most people is just dividing our country. Threats of violence (& actual violence and death for Jo Cox) is wholly unacceptable. Is Brexit worth this destruction of Britain? It's really got fuck all to do with BREXIT. Jo Cox was murdered way before BREXIT was an all-consuming thing. It's got a lot more to do with the hostile environment and Tory MPs supporting other Fascists - to view it solely through the prism of BREXIT is almost insulting. Now you are being disingenuous. Jo Cox died 1 week before the Referendum. This was clearly related. Get your facts and opinions right - insulting, bollox
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"I reckon it does especially now with brexit, a totalitarian state is a form of government in which the state has no limits in authority and does whatever it wants, sounds like brexit dont it? Sound like Turkey. Or Russia. Or Syria. Or the Philipines. Or ow America is increasingly more quickly going. Not tat there is ANY connection between Trump and Farage at all and the whole Brexit/polorisation of 'left' and right business as clickbait for votes shit that's been going on for the last few years. And yes. how Britain is sliding too. Fair play to David Lammy.David Lammy very ignorant and abusive creature,a discrace to the human race Is he indeed! Pray tell and explain your vitriol. I have issues with him myself, but your response suggests I might have missed something? (Is he as bad as Hitler?) (Or Thatcher?) I too have issues with Lammy, however I have issues with anyone comparing politicians with murderous dictators who's policies and intent was the murder of millions. I often think that those who call politicians and people they don't agree fascist or Nazi clearly have absolutely no understanding of what fascism and national socialism were all about. It's just as annoying, off the point and ignorant of the facts as when others try claiming that because people died fighting that evil we should leave the EU. I lot of people on both sides really need to read up on what WWII was actually about and what fascist and Nazi actually were. I think that he does, and that's why he compared them. Hitler didn't start with death camps, you know - he was democratically elected. Although I still see a more valid comparison with Fascism, especially Mussolini. Michael Heseltine is endorsing many of David Lammy’s comments. I, like him, am concerned at the vitriol and venal comments coming from the leaders of Brexit. Trying to stir up anger for a cause that clearly is not overwhelmingly supported by most people is just dividing our country. Threats of violence (& actual violence and death for Jo Cox) is wholly unacceptable. Is Brexit worth this destruction of Britain? It's really got fuck all to do with BREXIT. Jo Cox was murdered way before BREXIT was an all-consuming thing. It's got a lot more to do with the hostile environment and Tory MPs supporting other Fascists - to view it solely through the prism of BREXIT is almost insulting. Now you are being disingenuous. Jo Cox died 1 week before the Referendum. This was clearly related. Get your facts and opinions right - insulting, bollox
No it wasn't - go and research it.
Sorry dude, you are just so wrong on this one. Don’t mess with Jo Cox’s memory for some crap ideological point. A pro Brexit right wing extremist murdered her for her views on the EU and being a remainer. 1 week prior to the referendum "The guy was a Neo nazi and white supremacist- he murdered Jo Cox because he wanted to punish "the left", particularly for their stance on immigration. He never mentioned the referendum at all, only "Britain First" a Fascist group opposed to immigration. | |||
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"I reckon it does especially now with brexit, a totalitarian state is a form of government in which the state has no limits in authority and does whatever it wants, sounds like brexit dont it? Sound like Turkey. Or Russia. Or Syria. Or the Philipines. Or ow America is increasingly more quickly going. Not tat there is ANY connection between Trump and Farage at all and the whole Brexit/polorisation of 'left' and right business as clickbait for votes shit that's been going on for the last few years. And yes. how Britain is sliding too. Fair play to David Lammy.David Lammy very ignorant and abusive creature,a discrace to the human race Is he indeed! Pray tell and explain your vitriol. I have issues with him myself, but your response suggests I might have missed something? (Is he as bad as Hitler?) (Or Thatcher?) I too have issues with Lammy, however I have issues with anyone comparing politicians with murderous dictators who's policies and intent was the murder of millions. I often think that those who call politicians and people they don't agree fascist or Nazi clearly have absolutely no understanding of what fascism and national socialism were all about. It's just as annoying, off the point and ignorant of the facts as when others try claiming that because people died fighting that evil we should leave the EU. I lot of people on both sides really need to read up on what WWII was actually about and what fascist and Nazi actually were. I think that he does, and that's why he compared them. Hitler didn't start with death camps, you know - he was democratically elected. Although I still see a more valid comparison with Fascism, especially Mussolini. Michael Heseltine is endorsing many of David Lammy’s comments. I, like him, am concerned at the vitriol and venal comments coming from the leaders of Brexit. Trying to stir up anger for a cause that clearly is not overwhelmingly supported by most people is just dividing our country. Threats of violence (& actual violence and death for Jo Cox) is wholly unacceptable. Is Brexit worth this destruction of Britain? It's really got fuck all to do with BREXIT. Jo Cox was murdered way before BREXIT was an all-consuming thing. It's got a lot more to do with the hostile environment and Tory MPs supporting other Fascists - to view it solely through the prism of BREXIT is almost insulting. Now you are being disingenuous. Jo Cox died 1 week before the Referendum. This was clearly related. Get your facts and opinions right - insulting, bollox
No it wasn't - go and research it.
Sorry dude, you are just so wrong on this one. Don’t mess with Jo Cox’s memory for some crap ideological point. A pro Brexit right wing extremist murdered her for her views on the EU and being a remainer. 1 week prior to the referendum
The guy was a Neo nazi and white supremacist- he murdered Jo Cox because he wanted to punish "the left", particularly for their stance on immigration. He never mentioned the referendum at all, only "Britain First" a Fascist group opposed to immigration. "Oh come on .If there was no referendum joe cox would still be breathing and the xenophobic rhetoric ramped up prior to the referendum lead directly to an MP being murdered in the street. That's a stain that won't wash out of the story of brexit as much as people try. It's almost like you're revising history . | |||
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"I reckon it does especially now with brexit, a totalitarian state is a form of government in which the state has no limits in authority and does whatever it wants, sounds like brexit dont it? Sound like Turkey. Or Russia. Or Syria. Or the Philipines. Or ow America is increasingly more quickly going. Not tat there is ANY connection between Trump and Farage at all and the whole Brexit/polorisation of 'left' and right business as clickbait for votes shit that's been going on for the last few years. And yes. how Britain is sliding too. Fair play to David Lammy.David Lammy very ignorant and abusive creature,a discrace to the human race Is he indeed! Pray tell and explain your vitriol. I have issues with him myself, but your response suggests I might have missed something? (Is he as bad as Hitler?) (Or Thatcher?) I too have issues with Lammy, however I have issues with anyone comparing politicians with murderous dictators who's policies and intent was the murder of millions. I often think that those who call politicians and people they don't agree fascist or Nazi clearly have absolutely no understanding of what fascism and national socialism were all about. It's just as annoying, off the point and ignorant of the facts as when others try claiming that because people died fighting that evil we should leave the EU. I lot of people on both sides really need to read up on what WWII was actually about and what fascist and Nazi actually were. I think that he does, and that's why he compared them. Hitler didn't start with death camps, you know - he was democratically elected. Although I still see a more valid comparison with Fascism, especially Mussolini. Michael Heseltine is endorsing many of David Lammy’s comments. I, like him, am concerned at the vitriol and venal comments coming from the leaders of Brexit. Trying to stir up anger for a cause that clearly is not overwhelmingly supported by most people is just dividing our country. Threats of violence (& actual violence and death for Jo Cox) is wholly unacceptable. Is Brexit worth this destruction of Britain? It's really got fuck all to do with BREXIT. Jo Cox was murdered way before BREXIT was an all-consuming thing. It's got a lot more to do with the hostile environment and Tory MPs supporting other Fascists - to view it solely through the prism of BREXIT is almost insulting. Now you are being disingenuous. Jo Cox died 1 week before the Referendum. This was clearly related. Get your facts and opinions right - insulting, bollox
No it wasn't - go and research it.
Sorry dude, you are just so wrong on this one. Don’t mess with Jo Cox’s memory for some crap ideological point. A pro Brexit right wing extremist murdered her for her views on the EU and being a remainer. 1 week prior to the referendum
The guy was a Neo nazi and white supremacist- he murdered Jo Cox because he wanted to punish "the left", particularly for their stance on immigration. He never mentioned the referendum at all, only "Britain First" a Fascist group opposed to immigration.
Oh come on .If there was no referendum joe cox would still be breathing and the xenophobic rhetoric ramped up prior to the referendum lead directly to an MP being murdered in the street.
That's a stain that won't wash out of the story of brexit as much as people try.
It's almost like you're revising history ."The xenophobic rhetoric in this case was found in the extensive neo-Nazi and white supremacist literature that the murderer possessed. I am not about to deny that scumbags like Farage used their usual racist rhetoric during this campaign as much as any other, but to imply that the far right would somehow vanish if there was no BREXIT is incredibly naieve. | |||
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"Dont fuck about with the truth to fit your agenda mate. Jo Cox’s death came about as a direct result of the increased right wing and fascistic atmosphere fostered by brexit. You are wrong on this one Jimi" The far right have been on the rise for longer than that, I'm afraid. Maybe the BREXIT thing is the first time that some people noticed it, but if you have been on the left of the political spectrum for most of your life, you'll have noticed it way before then. | |||
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"Dont fuck about with the truth to fit your agenda mate. Jo Cox’s death came about as a direct result of the increased right wing and fascistic atmosphere fostered by brexit. You are wrong on this one Jimi The far right have been on the rise for longer than that, I'm afraid. Maybe the BREXIT thing is the first time that some people noticed it, but if you have been on the left of the political spectrum for most of your life, you'll have noticed it way before then." I have been on the left all my life, inspired by my communist grandmother probably but although I agree that the right have been on the upswing since the days of Tony the phoney, this last tory government has allowed the nationalists and thugs a freedom to express themselves in a way that hasn’t been seen for years. The fact that they are only now beginning to look into right wing terrorism is appalling. Stupid posh fuckers in ivory towers who dont have any contact with real people - Eton should be torched!!!  | |||
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"Dont fuck about with the truth to fit your agenda mate. Jo Cox’s death came about as a direct result of the increased right wing and fascistic atmosphere fostered by brexit. You are wrong on this one Jimi The far right have been on the rise for longer than that, I'm afraid. Maybe the BREXIT thing is the first time that some people noticed it, but if you have been on the left of the political spectrum for most of your life, you'll have noticed it way before then. I have been on the left all my life, inspired by my communist grandmother probably but although I agree that the right have been on the upswing since the days of Tony the phoney, this last tory government has allowed the nationalists and thugs a freedom to express themselves in a way that hasn’t been seen for years. The fact that they are only now beginning to look into right wing terrorism is appalling. Stupid posh fuckers in ivory towers who dont have any contact with real people - Eton should be torched!!! "In fact, the whole reason that Cameron called the referendum is that the far right had risen (in the form of UKIP) to the point where he was worried that Tories would lose a significant vote share to them. The referendum was result of that rise, not the cause of it. | |||
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"Dont fuck about with the truth to fit your agenda mate. Jo Cox’s death came about as a direct result of the increased right wing and fascistic atmosphere fostered by brexit. You are wrong on this one Jimi The far right have been on the rise for longer than that, I'm afraid. Maybe the BREXIT thing is the first time that some people noticed it, but if you have been on the left of the political spectrum for most of your life, you'll have noticed it way before then. I have been on the left all my life, inspired by my communist grandmother probably but although I agree that the right have been on the upswing since the days of Tony the phoney, this last tory government has allowed the nationalists and thugs a freedom to express themselves in a way that hasn’t been seen for years. The fact that they are only now beginning to look into right wing terrorism is appalling. Stupid posh fuckers in ivory towers who dont have any contact with real people - Eton should be torched!!!
In fact, the whole reason that Cameron called the referendum is that the far right had risen (in the form of UKIP) to the point where he was worried that Tories would lose a significant vote share to them. The referendum was result of that rise, not the cause of it. "It is your revision of history that pissed me off. A very talented and able lady died and you seemed to regard it as almost irrelevant. Ideology is not abstract, it affects people for real | |||
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" Eton should be torched!!! "No it should not! The education offered in Eton (and Public Schools in general) is second to none and it is too valuable an institution to loose. However I do think that there needs to be a change in the attitudes to privilege that seem to be instilled in those who pass through the English Public School system, with a move away from entitlement and to duty and service. | |||
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No it should not! The education offered in Eton (and Public Schools in general) is second to none and it is too valuable an institution to loose. However I do think that there needs to be a change in the attitudes to privilege that seem to be instilled in those who pass through the English Public School system, with a move away from entitlement and to duty and service."The trouble is Will, that that sense of entitlement skews society hugely. In my own city there are three large public schools and the university too who are all very wealthy institutions that have a profound effect on the city. The division between the haves and the have nots is almost feudal and quite sobering. | |||
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"The trouble is Will, that that sense of entitlement skews society hugely. In my own city there are three large public schools and the university too who are all very wealthy institutions that have a profound effect on the city. The division between the haves and the have nots is almost feudal and quite sobering." I accept what you are saying about entitlement but not your solution. Because if we go down your path we can't not just close Eton and the other elitist schools, we also have to close down the elitist universities which just happen to be the places that turn out much of our countries wealth through world leading research. I was educated (for the most part) in the public school system, but by Irish Catholic priests. It seems to me that the difference in ethos between English system and that I went through resulted in me being a lot more socially aware and not willing to grind others under to get ahead. However I think the education was just as good as was the building of inner strength (which are the things that we need the system to provide for us). | |||
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"Yes I beleive it is becoming one, internet filters, internet monitoring, etc etc " Amnesty’s view: Freedom of speech is the right to say whatever you like about whatever you like, whenever you like, right? Wrong. 'Freedom of speech is the right to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, by any means.' Freedom of speech and the right to freedom of expression applies to ideas of all kinds including those that may be deeply offensive. But it comes with responsibilities and we believe it can be legitimately restricted. When freedom of speech can be restricted? You might not expect us to say this, but in certain circumstances free speech and freedom of expression can be restricted. Governments have an obligation to prohibit hate speech and incitement. And restrictions can also be justified if they protect specific public interest or the rights and reputations of others. Any restrictions on freedom of speech and freedom of expression must be set out in laws that must in turn be clear and concise so everyone can understand them. People imposing the restrictions (whether they are governments, employers or anyone else) must be able to demonstrate the need for them, and they must be proportionate. All of this has to be backed up by safeguards to stop the abuse of these restrictions and incorporate a proper appeals process. ...and when it can't Restrictions that do not comply with all these conditions violate freedom of expression. We consider people put in prison solely for exercising their right to free speech to be prisoners of conscience. Jabbar Savalan was imprisoned after calling for protests against the government on Facebook. We considered him a prisoner of conscience and campaigned for his release. Read Jabbar's story Checks and balances Specifics Any restriction should be as specific as possible. It would be wrong to ban an entire website because of a problem with one page. National security and public order These terms must be precisely defined in law to prevent them being used as excuses for excessive restrictions. Morals This is a very subjective area, but any restrictions must not be based on a single tradition or religion and must not discriminate against anyone living in a particular country. Rights and reputations of others Public officials should tolerate more criticism than private individuals. So defamation laws that stop legitimate criticism of a government or public official, violate the right to free speech. Blasphemy Protecting abstract concepts, religious beliefs or other beliefs or the sensibilities of people that believe them is not grounds for restricting freedom of speech. Media and journalists Journalists and bloggers face particular risks because of the work they do. Countries therefore have a responsibility to protect their right to freedom of speech. Restrictions on Newspapers, TV stations, etc can affect everyone’s right to freedom of expression. Whistleblowers Government should never bring criminal proceedings against anyone who reveals information about human rights abuses. Rights and responsibilities Free speech is one of our most important rights and one of the most misunderstood. Use your freedom of speech to speak out for those that are denied theirs. But use it responsibly: it is a powerful thing. This is a pretty good way of resisting totalitarianism. | |||
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"The trouble is Will, that that sense of entitlement skews society hugely. In my own city there are three large public schools and the university too who are all very wealthy institutions that have a profound effect on the city. The division between the haves and the have nots is almost feudal and quite sobering. I accept what you are saying about entitlement but not your solution. Because if we go down your path we can't not just close Eton and the other elitist schools, we also have to close down the elitist universities which just happen to be the places that turn out much of our countries wealth through world leading research. I was educated (for the most part) in the public school system, but by Irish Catholic priests. It seems to me that the difference in ethos between English system and that I went through resulted in me being a lot more socially aware and not willing to grind others under to get ahead. However I think the education was just as good as was the building of inner strength (which are the things that we need the system to provide for us)." I can see how an enlightened public school system would be desirable but unfortunately down here I see a parallel society much of the time which has very little integration with what I would call real life and no interest in integration. I did spend a year at boarding school and the experience wasn’t great for me or many of the kids there but it was a long time ago though and I imagine things are better nowadays. Fewer angry abandoned kids, bullying and feral behaviour I would hope. | |||
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"When have mps or governments ever represented the public Government is not meant to represent the public, Government is meant to govern. It is Parliament that represents the public but Parliament is not meant to just represent just one group of people or even the majority of people; Parliament is meant to represent all the people and all their views. And that is exactly what it's doing. " Don't see my view represented by ANY politician. | |||
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"I can see how an enlightened public school system would be desirable but unfortunately down here I see a parallel society much of the time which has very little integration with what I would call real life and no interest in integration. I did spend a year at boarding school and the experience wasn’t great for me or many of the kids there but it was a long time ago though and I imagine things are better nowadays. Fewer angry abandoned kids, bullying and feral behaviour I would hope." I think we are in agreement. I can sum up my beliefs quite simply, you improve all from the bottom up, not diminish all from the top down. | |||
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"When have mps or governments ever represented the public Government is not meant to represent the public, Government is meant to govern. It is Parliament that represents the public but Parliament is not meant to just represent just one group of people or even the majority of people; Parliament is meant to represent all the people and all their views. And that is exactly what it's doing. Don't see my view represented by ANY politician. " & for that we are all eternally grateful | |||
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"I reckon it does especially now with brexit, a totalitarian state is a form of government in which the state has no limits in authority and does whatever it wants, sounds like brexit dont it? Sound like Turkey. Or Russia. Or Syria. Or the Philipines. Or ow America is increasingly more quickly going. Not tat there is ANY connection between Trump and Farage at all and the whole Brexit/polorisation of 'left' and right business as clickbait for votes shit that's been going on for the last few years. And yes. how Britain is sliding too. Fair play to David Lammy.David Lammy very ignorant and abusive creature,a discrace to the human race Is he indeed! Pray tell and explain your vitriol. I have issues with him myself, but your response suggests I might have missed something? (Is he as bad as Hitler?) (Or Thatcher?) I too have issues with Lammy, however I have issues with anyone comparing politicians with murderous dictators who's policies and intent was the murder of millions. I often think that those who call politicians and people they don't agree fascist or Nazi clearly have absolutely no understanding of what fascism and national socialism were all about. It's just as annoying, off the point and ignorant of the facts as when others try claiming that because people died fighting that evil we should leave the EU. I lot of people on both sides really need to read up on what WWII was actually about and what fascist and Nazi actually were. I think that he does, and that's why he compared them. Hitler didn't start with death camps, you know - he was democratically elected. Although I still see a more valid comparison with Fascism, especially Mussolini." To be honest I think not. To argue that just because someone is right wing then they must be a fascist is simply not true. It's also untrue to say that because someone is racist they are a fascist too. Racism has nothing to do with being fascist or not. Fascism is about totalitarian and authoritarian governance and, what ever you say about Nigel, (and a lot of other BREXITERS) that's not their bag. In fact quite the opposite. They mostly come across to me as radical right wing liberals, almost libertarian, who oppose nearly all forms of government except for what is, in their opinion, absolutely necessary. That's the complete opposite to fascism. | |||
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"I reckon it does especially now with brexit, a totalitarian state is a form of government in which the state has no limits in authority and does whatever it wants, sounds like brexit dont it? Sound like Turkey. Or Russia. Or Syria. Or the Philipines. Or ow America is increasingly more quickly going. Not tat there is ANY connection between Trump and Farage at all and the whole Brexit/polorisation of 'left' and right business as clickbait for votes shit that's been going on for the last few years. And yes. how Britain is sliding too. Fair play to David Lammy.David Lammy very ignorant and abusive creature,a discrace to the human race Is he indeed! Pray tell and explain your vitriol. I have issues with him myself, but your response suggests I might have missed something? (Is he as bad as Hitler?) (Or Thatcher?) I too have issues with Lammy, however I have issues with anyone comparing politicians with murderous dictators who's policies and intent was the murder of millions. I often think that those who call politicians and people they don't agree fascist or Nazi clearly have absolutely no understanding of what fascism and national socialism were all about. It's just as annoying, off the point and ignorant of the facts as when others try claiming that because people died fighting that evil we should leave the EU. I lot of people on both sides really need to read up on what WWII was actually about and what fascist and Nazi actually were. I think that he does, and that's why he compared them. Hitler didn't start with death camps, you know - he was democratically elected. Although I still see a more valid comparison with Fascism, especially Mussolini. To be honest I think not. To argue that just because someone is right wing then they must be a fascist is simply not true. It's also untrue to say that because someone is racist they are a fascist too. Racism has nothing to do with being fascist or not. Fascism is about totalitarian and authoritarian governance and, what ever you say about Nigel, (and a lot of other BREXITERS) that's not their bag. In fact quite the opposite. They mostly come across to me as radical right wing liberals, almost libertarian, who oppose nearly all forms of government except for what is, in their opinion, absolutely necessary. That's the complete opposite to fascism." No it isn't - go and study Fascism. Its gangster/crony capitalism, for example, Krupps made millions under the Nazis. Here are the early warning signs of Fascism as published by the US Holocaust museum. How many can you spot in the ERG types? 1) Powerful and continuing nationalism 2) Disdain for human rights 3) Identification of enemies as a unifying cause 4) Supremacy of the military 5) Rampant sexism 6) Controlled mass media 7) Obsession with national security 8) Corporate power protected 9) Labour power suppressed 10) Religion and government intertwined 11) Disdain for intellectuals and the arts 12) Obsession with crime and punishment 13) Rampant cronyism and corruption 14) Fraudulent elections | |||
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"I reckon it does especially now with brexit, a totalitarian state is a form of government in which the state has no limits in authority and does whatever it wants, sounds like brexit dont it? Sound like Turkey. Or Russia. Or Syria. Or the Philipines. Or ow America is increasingly more quickly going. Not tat there is ANY connection between Trump and Farage at all and the whole Brexit/polorisation of 'left' and right business as clickbait for votes shit that's been going on for the last few years. And yes. how Britain is sliding too. Fair play to David Lammy.David Lammy very ignorant and abusive creature,a discrace to the human race Is he indeed! Pray tell and explain your vitriol. I have issues with him myself, but your response suggests I might have missed something? (Is he as bad as Hitler?) (Or Thatcher?) I too have issues with Lammy, however I have issues with anyone comparing politicians with murderous dictators who's policies and intent was the murder of millions. I often think that those who call politicians and people they don't agree fascist or Nazi clearly have absolutely no understanding of what fascism and national socialism were all about. It's just as annoying, off the point and ignorant of the facts as when others try claiming that because people died fighting that evil we should leave the EU. I lot of people on both sides really need to read up on what WWII was actually about and what fascist and Nazi actually were. I think that he does, and that's why he compared them. Hitler didn't start with death camps, you know - he was democratically elected. Although I still see a more valid comparison with Fascism, especially Mussolini. To be honest I think not. To argue that just because someone is right wing then they must be a fascist is simply not true. It's also untrue to say that because someone is racist they are a fascist too. Racism has nothing to do with being fascist or not. Fascism is about totalitarian and authoritarian governance and, what ever you say about Nigel, (and a lot of other BREXITERS) that's not their bag. In fact quite the opposite. They mostly come across to me as radical right wing liberals, almost libertarian, who oppose nearly all forms of government except for what is, in their opinion, absolutely necessary. That's the complete opposite to fascism. No it isn't - go and study Fascism. Its gangster/crony capitalism, for example, Krupps made millions under the Nazis. Here are the early warning signs of Fascism as published by the US Holocaust museum. How many can you spot in the ERG types? 1) Powerful and continuing nationalism 2) Disdain for human rights 3) Identification of enemies as a unifying cause 4) Supremacy of the military 5) Rampant sexism 6) Controlled mass media 7) Obsession with national security 8) Corporate power protected 9) Labour power suppressed 10) Religion and government intertwined 11) Disdain for intellectuals and the arts 12) Obsession with crime and punishment 13) Rampant cronyism and corruption 14) Fraudulent elections " A worryingly high number of ticks on that list... | |||
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"I reckon it does especially now with brexit, a totalitarian state is a form of government in which the state has no limits in authority and does whatever it wants, sounds like brexit dont it? Sound like Turkey. Or Russia. Or Syria. Or the Philipines. Or ow America is increasingly more quickly going. Not tat there is ANY connection between Trump and Farage at all and the whole Brexit/polorisation of 'left' and right business as clickbait for votes shit that's been going on for the last few years. And yes. how Britain is sliding too. Fair play to David Lammy.David Lammy very ignorant and abusive creature,a discrace to the human race Is he indeed! Pray tell and explain your vitriol. I have issues with him myself, but your response suggests I might have missed something? (Is he as bad as Hitler?) (Or Thatcher?) I too have issues with Lammy, however I have issues with anyone comparing politicians with murderous dictators who's policies and intent was the murder of millions. I often think that those who call politicians and people they don't agree fascist or Nazi clearly have absolutely no understanding of what fascism and national socialism were all about. It's just as annoying, off the point and ignorant of the facts as when others try claiming that because people died fighting that evil we should leave the EU. I lot of people on both sides really need to read up on what WWII was actually about and what fascist and Nazi actually were. I think that he does, and that's why he compared them. Hitler didn't start with death camps, you know - he was democratically elected. Although I still see a more valid comparison with Fascism, especially Mussolini. To be honest I think not. To argue that just because someone is right wing then they must be a fascist is simply not true. It's also untrue to say that because someone is racist they are a fascist too. Racism has nothing to do with being fascist or not. Fascism is about totalitarian and authoritarian governance and, what ever you say about Nigel, (and a lot of other BREXITERS) that's not their bag. In fact quite the opposite. They mostly come across to me as radical right wing liberals, almost libertarian, who oppose nearly all forms of government except for what is, in their opinion, absolutely necessary. That's the complete opposite to fascism. No it isn't - go and study Fascism. Its gangster/crony capitalism, for example, Krupps made millions under the Nazis. Here are the early warning signs of Fascism as published by the US Holocaust museum. How many can you spot in the ERG types? 1) Powerful and continuing nationalism 2) Disdain for human rights 3) Identification of enemies as a unifying cause 4) Supremacy of the military 5) Rampant sexism 6) Controlled mass media 7) Obsession with national security 8) Corporate power protected 9) Labour power suppressed 10) Religion and government intertwined 11) Disdain for intellectuals and the arts 12) Obsession with crime and punishment 13) Rampant cronyism and corruption 14) Fraudulent elections A worryingly high number of ticks on that list..." I tend to be quite careful about how I use both the terms "Fascist" and "Nazi", I honestly think most people don't realise how far to the right political discourse has gone since the late 70s. You have the bizarre situation where the manifesto of the nation's socialist party is to the right of it's conservative party of 40 years ago, to the point where people genuinely believe that the socialist party is "far left". | |||
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"I reckon it does especially now with brexit, a totalitarian state is a form of government in which the state has no limits in authority and does whatever it wants, sounds like brexit dont it? Sound like Turkey. Or Russia. Or Syria. Or the Philipines. Or ow America is increasingly more quickly going. Not tat there is ANY connection between Trump and Farage at all and the whole Brexit/polorisation of 'left' and right business as clickbait for votes shit that's been going on for the last few years. And yes. how Britain is sliding too. Fair play to David Lammy.David Lammy very ignorant and abusive creature,a discrace to the human race Is he indeed! Pray tell and explain your vitriol. I have issues with him myself, but your response suggests I might have missed something? (Is he as bad as Hitler?) (Or Thatcher?) I too have issues with Lammy, however I have issues with anyone comparing politicians with murderous dictators who's policies and intent was the murder of millions. I often think that those who call politicians and people they don't agree fascist or Nazi clearly have absolutely no understanding of what fascism and national socialism were all about. It's just as annoying, off the point and ignorant of the facts as when others try claiming that because people died fighting that evil we should leave the EU. I lot of people on both sides really need to read up on what WWII was actually about and what fascist and Nazi actually were. I think that he does, and that's why he compared them. Hitler didn't start with death camps, you know - he was democratically elected. Although I still see a more valid comparison with Fascism, especially Mussolini. To be honest I think not. To argue that just because someone is right wing then they must be a fascist is simply not true. It's also untrue to say that because someone is racist they are a fascist too. Racism has nothing to do with being fascist or not. Fascism is about totalitarian and authoritarian governance and, what ever you say about Nigel, (and a lot of other BREXITERS) that's not their bag. In fact quite the opposite. They mostly come across to me as radical right wing liberals, almost libertarian, who oppose nearly all forms of government except for what is, in their opinion, absolutely necessary. That's the complete opposite to fascism. No it isn't - go and study Fascism. Its gangster/crony capitalism, for example, Krupps made millions under the Nazis. Here are the early warning signs of Fascism as published by the US Holocaust museum. How many can you spot in the ERG types? 1) Powerful and continuing nationalism 2) Disdain for human rights 3) Identification of enemies as a unifying cause 4) Supremacy of the military 5) Rampant sexism 6) Controlled mass media 7) Obsession with national security 8) Corporate power protected 9) Labour power suppressed 10) Religion and government intertwined 11) Disdain for intellectuals and the arts 12) Obsession with crime and punishment 13) Rampant cronyism and corruption 14) Fraudulent elections A worryingly high number of ticks on that list..." I agree but I'm not sure that all of them are necessarily potents of fascism. I agree that there is a danger from the far right (I also think there is just as much of a danger from the hard left) but we need to distinguish what that threat from the far right is and a hard libertarian, right wing liberal threat (think 19th century Wigs) is a totally different threat to a fascists, authoritarian, totalitarian right wing threat. | |||
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"Dont fuck about with the truth to fit your agenda mate. Jo Cox’s death came about as a direct result of the increased right wing and fascistic atmosphere fostered by brexit. You are wrong on this one Jimi" This is highly likely not the truth. I've looked further into the Tommy Mair story and of course once again, the news. I want to say Jo Cox's assistant was surprisingly unshaken, very... 'stoic' about the whole thing, so I'm not impressed with her. That's just an opinion. Please look very closely at any video of Tommy Mair getting arrested. I really am getting sick of getting treated like shit by the news, who just report what they're given, rather than ever seem to do any real investigative journalism anymore. Has anyone at all been successful in contacting Tommy since (to if nothing else find out more about 'why he did it' since that's what's been reported)? Not that I know of, in spite of the efforts. Try writing to him and see if he is ever at all allowed to speak to anyone, and if he's still alive or if he's been suicided yet. It could be that the man is guilty as sin, but as usual with all false flag events, the story we've been given has plot craters all over it. Hopefully the BBC will set us straight with the facts in order to quell all the lunatics trying to attract our attention to the evidence. If you'd like to know more, tune in next time. Time for work! | |||
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"I reckon it does especially now with brexit, a totalitarian state is a form of government in which the state has no limits in authority and does whatever it wants, sounds like brexit dont it? Sound like Turkey. Or Russia. Or Syria. Or the Philipines. Or ow America is increasingly more quickly going. Not tat there is ANY connection between Trump and Farage at all and the whole Brexit/polorisation of 'left' and right business as clickbait for votes shit that's been going on for the last few years. And yes. how Britain is sliding too. Fair play to David Lammy.David Lammy very ignorant and abusive creature,a discrace to the human race Is he indeed! Pray tell and explain your vitriol. I have issues with him myself, but your response suggests I might have missed something? (Is he as bad as Hitler?) (Or Thatcher?) I too have issues with Lammy, however I have issues with anyone comparing politicians with murderous dictators who's policies and intent was the murder of millions. I often think that those who call politicians and people they don't agree fascist or Nazi clearly have absolutely no understanding of what fascism and national socialism were all about. It's just as annoying, off the point and ignorant of the facts as when others try claiming that because people died fighting that evil we should leave the EU. I lot of people on both sides really need to read up on what WWII was actually about and what fascist and Nazi actually were. I think that he does, and that's why he compared them. Hitler didn't start with death camps, you know - he was democratically elected. Although I still see a more valid comparison with Fascism, especially Mussolini. To be honest I think not. To argue that just because someone is right wing then they must be a fascist is simply not true. It's also untrue to say that because someone is racist they are a fascist too. Racism has nothing to do with being fascist or not. Fascism is about totalitarian and authoritarian governance and, what ever you say about Nigel, (and a lot of other BREXITERS) that's not their bag. In fact quite the opposite. They mostly come across to me as radical right wing liberals, almost libertarian, who oppose nearly all forms of government except for what is, in their opinion, absolutely necessary. That's the complete opposite to fascism. No it isn't - go and study Fascism. Its gangster/crony capitalism, for example, Krupps made millions under the Nazis. Here are the early warning signs of Fascism as published by the US Holocaust museum. How many can you spot in the ERG types? 1) Powerful and continuing nationalism 2) Disdain for human rights 3) Identification of enemies as a unifying cause 4) Supremacy of the military 5) Rampant sexism 6) Controlled mass media 7) Obsession with national security 8) Corporate power protected 9) Labour power suppressed 10) Religion and government intertwined 11) Disdain for intellectuals and the arts 12) Obsession with crime and punishment 13) Rampant cronyism and corruption 14) Fraudulent elections A worryingly high number of ticks on that list... I agree but I'm not sure that all of them are necessarily potents of fascism. I agree that there is a danger from the far right (I also think there is just as much of a danger from the hard left) but we need to distinguish what that threat from the far right is and a hard libertarian, right wing liberal threat (think 19th century Wigs) is a totally different threat to a fascists, authoritarian, totalitarian right wing threat." Fascism was/is never totalitarian with regards to the state owning industry. It is totalitarian (when it actually gets/consolidates power) when it comes to information/democracy. It tends to protect a (real or imagined) traditional hierarchy- Mussolini, for example was a royalist, long after the unification of Italy. The right of the Tory party in this country are very authoritarian, but through the medium of the "traditional" hierarchy- ie, the land owners and the monarchy. | |||
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