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"He's a knob." Bingo. | |||
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"He's a knob. Bingo." Thank you | |||
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"A typical business minded man. Not a great president, much like most emperors were not fit to rule Rome." As with Nero he is probably “fiddling” while America burns  | |||
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"I have no words to describe the lying, dishonest, forgetful, stupid, committed, half baked, witless, feckless, idiot......oh wait perhaps I have "I think that one word covers it... | |||
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"I have no words to describe the lying, dishonest, forgetful, stupid, committed, half baked, witless, feckless, idiot......oh wait perhaps I have
I think that one word covers it..."Which one? | |||
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"A caricature of a human being (used in the loosest possible sense of the word) and the instigator of the next stage in the ever deteriorating state of the US. Horrible individual with the intellectual range of a baked potato. Poor businessman, current wealth us a lot less than what he inherited. As you can probably tell, I'm not a fan "Thats an insult to a potato. You can get a spark of electricity from a spud at least.  | |||
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"He’s one of the only politicians who have done exactly what they said they would do . I like the fact that he says it as it is , and it truly makes me smile to see all these people saying he’s an idiot and this and that . He can’t be that much of an idiot and he’s making America great again . Just as he said he would . And as someone suggested , he probably will get a second term , fair play to him "There are times I worry for you. | |||
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"A caricature of a human being (used in the loosest possible sense of the word) and the instigator of the next stage in the ever deteriorating state of the US. Horrible individual with the intellectual range of a baked potato. Poor businessman, current wealth us a lot less than what he inherited. As you can probably tell, I'm not a fan
Thats an insult to a potato. You can get a spark of electricity from a spud at least. "Actually that's true. Ok then a lump of horse apples | |||
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"Comes across as a bell end, simplistic and a bit ridiculous. There's something very 1980s about him. But I do understand why people voted him into office and I think the best outcome from this is that in future politicians might listen to voters more " He got in simply because people really didn’t want H.C in... like how much they they actually hate her to go with trump.. | |||
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"Comes across as a bell end, simplistic and a bit ridiculous. There's something very 1980s about him. But I do understand why people voted him into office and I think the best outcome from this is that in future politicians might listen to voters more He got in simply because people really didn’t want H.C in... like how much they they actually hate er to go with trump.. " There's other reasons. He was the one who told the people what they wanted to hear with regards to job security, national security, gun laws and the economy. | |||
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"Comes across as a bell end, simplistic and a bit ridiculous. There's something very 1980s about him. But I do understand why people voted him into office and I think the best outcome from this is that in future politicians might listen to voters more He got in simply because people really didn’t want H.C in... like how much they they actually hate er to go with trump.. There's other reasons. He was the one who told the people what they wanted to hear with regards to job security, national security, gun laws and the economy. " Well yeah the republican followers.. but the swing states just hated Hillary, they’d have voted Hitler ahead of her.. Sanders would’ve defeated trump and that’s still eats the democrats | |||
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"I cant help but hold a certain admiration for his business acumen . Just look where he is now! But I think he's a f...... twat!" Admiration for not losing what he inherited?  | |||
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"Donald Trump’s thoughts are the best thoughts, the greatest thoughts ever thought, nobody thinks thoughts like the Donald. He’s the original thinker. In fact, he invented all thoughts ever thought."  | |||
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"I cant help but hold a certain admiration for his business acumen . Just look where he is now! But I think he's a f...... twat! Admiration for not losing what he inherited? "Did he inherit the Whitehouse? | |||
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"Comes across as a bell end, simplistic and a bit ridiculous. There's something very 1980s about him. But I do understand why people voted him into office and I think the best outcome from this is that in future politicians might listen to voters more He got in simply because people really didn’t want H.C in... like how much they they actually hate er to go with trump.. There's other reasons. He was the one who told the people what they wanted to hear with regards to job security, national security, gun laws and the economy. Well yeah the republican followers.. but the swing states just hated Hillary, they’d have voted Hitler ahead of her.. Sanders would’ve defeated trump and that’s still eats the democrats" The bigger problem that the Democrats have is that they don't seem to have developed a strong enough candidate to take him on. | |||
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"Hero, villain or a comedy character made up by CIA to deflect attention from an alien invasion?" He is the alien invasion .  | |||
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"I have no words to describe the lying, dishonest, forgetful, stupid, committed, half baked, witless, feckless, idiot......oh wait perhaps I have "You forgot mysogenistic! | |||
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"Amazing business man , terrible hair , beautiful wife , strange kids , a million miles from a politician , but they are all as bad as each other , merely puppets , a face to front the cameras , with no power whatsoever as is the case for all of them , a script / cue card reader, its all smoke and mirrors , they tell us what they want to tell us, report what they want to report and most people beleive and completely buy into it !! we are all slaves to pay taxes and thats it ! ! i could go on and on , but even voicing our opinions has became pointless !! oh and yes of course , we are not the only intelligent form of life in the universe !! the idea that we are or even remotely possibly could be is naive and ridiculous !! its a sad trick that we live in , an illusion that we are free ! absolute horse shit !! the truth would set us free - thats why it is kept from us ! paul x " . | |||
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"I have no words to describe the lying, dishonest, forgetful, stupid, committed, half baked, witless, feckless, idiot......oh wait perhaps I have
I think that one word covers it...
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"Amazing business man , terrible hair , beautiful wife , strange kids , a million miles from a politician , but they are all as bad as each other , merely puppets , a face to front the cameras , with no power whatsoever as is the case for all of them , a script / cue card reader, its all smoke and mirrors , they tell us what they want to tell us, report what they want to report and most people beleive and completely buy into it !! we are all slaves to pay taxes and thats it ! ! i could go on and on , but even voicing our opinions has became pointless !! oh and yes of course , we are not the only intelligent form of life in the universe !! the idea that we are or even remotely possibly could be is naive and ridiculous !! its a sad trick that we live in , an illusion that we are free ! absolute horse shit !! the truth would set us free - thats why it is kept from us ! paul x . "
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"Donald Trump’s thoughts are the best thoughts, the greatest thoughts ever thought, nobody thinks thoughts like the Donald. He’s the original thinker. In fact, he invented all thoughts ever thought." He is a knobhead, just a thought. | |||
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"He's a great guy, gets things done.... Unlike Theresa ... We could with a Trump leading the UK "What exactly has he done? He gave some tax breaks for himself and his rich friends and blamed Muslims and Mexicans for all the problems. He pulled American out of the Paris climate deal. Getting things done is only good if you’re doing good things. | |||
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"I cant help but hold a certain admiration for his business acumen . Just look where he is now! But I think he's a f...... twat! Admiration for not losing what he inherited? "To be fair, he's lost a fair bit of what he inherited. Every business he's attempted outside of the property he inherited has been a clusterfuck. He even managed to turn a casino into a loss making enterprise. I think a very apt word for him is "flaccid". | |||
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"But he is making America great again isn’t he? Great America as opposed to the United States of America? His latest shithead idea is to send all illegal immigrants to democratic states and sanctuary cities to see how they like it! What a prince among men! "He can't even think of his own slogans. "Make America Great Again" was stolen from the white supremacist movement of the 1930s (which his pop was allegedly very fond of). "Drain the Swamp" is stolen from Mussolini. | |||
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"He's a great guy, gets things done.... Unlike Theresa ... We could with a Trump leading the UK
What exactly has he done?
He gave some tax breaks for himself and his rich friends and blamed Muslims and Mexicans for all the problems. He pulled American out of the Paris climate deal.
Getting things done is only good if you’re doing good things."Hasn't he made quite a dent in unemployment, Withdrawn troops from the middle east. Shit he is the first American president who hasn't started a war in how long? Yeah this guy is a moron but he is not as bad as muricas previous presidents who feel the need to invade countries and give them some freedom, while stealing there gold and natural resources. Trumps going to be remembered as a shit stain on American history by the left but there has been far worse before him. Obama the so called liberal, forward thinking presidents dropped more bombs in the middle east than the previous two. Stop believing what the media appon feed you about trump, yeah he is a dick and a very daft one, but it could have been the secret right winger killary Clinton and here beef with Russia we could be dealing with instead | |||
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"A caricature of a human being (used in the loosest possible sense of the word) and the instigator of the next stage in the ever deteriorating state of the US. Horrible individual with the intellectual range of a baked potato. Poor businessman, current wealth us a lot less than what he inherited. As you can probably tell, I'm not a fan
Thats an insult to a potato. You can get a spark of electricity from a spud at least.
Actually that's true. Ok then a lump of horse apples "(Oh but even a lump of horse apples are useful, as they make horses love you  ) | |||
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"He’s one of the only politicians who have done exactly what they said they would do . I like the fact that he says it as it is , and it truly makes me smile to see all these people saying he’s an idiot and this and that . He can’t be that much of an idiot and he’s making America great again . Just as he said he would . And as someone suggested , he probably will get a second term , fair play to him "In what way is America actually any greater today than it was the day before he became POTUS? | |||
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"We could do with someone like him to sort this brexit mess out" And how exactly do you think he would do that? | |||
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"There are probably a million people in the US who would be better presidential material. None of that million are Hillary Clinton so that certainly helped. The fact is we can see the NPCs all around giving us nothing but what the mainstream media has programmed them to say (even in this very thread) but the actual results he is getting are pretty positive. Whether that's skill or luck are debatable but facts are facts. They said he had lost touch with reality when he promised to generate growth of 2.4%. When he delivered closer to double that the media said nothing. Buried it, because ragging on him is more profitable. Most of what is said about his is either outright lies or slanted half-truths, in an ideal world he would never be someone who got near to an elected office, but in this clown world we have right now, actually he's probably the best we can hope for. Mueller ended up being a gigantic nothing and the media are still clinging onto it for dear life hoping something comes out which contradicts what they have heard so far to allow them to keep the gravy train of the Trump Bump going. I don't think anything is coming. The democrats literally have lost touch with reality, opposing controls on abortion upto and including birth, straightfacedly proposing the Green New Deal and trying their level best to smear everyone who points out their lunacy. They have lost their base and honestly if the Republicans field someone with a bit more presidential clout after trump they will keep winning. The democrats are lurching further and further to the left, leaving behind classical liberals and appealing to a tiny fraction of very loud virtue signallers who even Obama described this week as a "Circular firing squad" Politics as a whole needs to see Trump as a wake-up call. Not because he's terrible, I don't think he's 10% as bad as they say, but because someone with so little actual presidential credibility beat their perception of what their best candidate was. This should alert them to the fact that their view of what the country wants is fatally skewed." Somebody who gets it rather than believing all the 'Trump is an idiot' stuff the media feed us. The democrats have over egged it especially with the whole Russia collusion saga and chickens are starting to come home to roost in many areas of policy. Trump will win a second term and will end up acknowledged as a success for his country (even though he has some personal failings). | |||
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"There are probably a million people in the US who would be better presidential material. None of that million are Hillary Clinton so that certainly helped. The fact is we can see the NPCs all around giving us nothing but what the mainstream media has programmed them to say (even in this very thread) but the actual results he is getting are pretty positive. Whether that's skill or luck are debatable but facts are facts. They said he had lost touch with reality when he promised to generate growth of 2.4%. When he delivered closer to double that the media said nothing. Buried it, because ragging on him is more profitable. Most of what is said about his is either outright lies or slanted half-truths, in an ideal world he would never be someone who got near to an elected office, but in this clown world we have right now, actually he's probably the best we can hope for. Mueller ended up being a gigantic nothing and the media are still clinging onto it for dear life hoping something comes out which contradicts what they have heard so far to allow them to keep the gravy train of the Trump Bump going. I don't think anything is coming. The democrats literally have lost touch with reality, opposing controls on abortion upto and including birth, straightfacedly proposing the Green New Deal and trying their level best to smear everyone who points out their lunacy. They have lost their base and honestly if the Republicans field someone with a bit more presidential clout after trump they will keep winning. The democrats are lurching further and further to the left, leaving behind classical liberals and appealing to a tiny fraction of very loud virtue signallers who even Obama described this week as a "Circular firing squad" Politics as a whole needs to see Trump as a wake-up call. Not because he's terrible, I don't think he's 10% as bad as they say, but because someone with so little actual presidential credibility beat their perception of what their best candidate was. This should alert them to the fact that their view of what the country wants is fatally skewed." Apparently Clinton got more votes than Trump, just saying as many Brexiteers seem to have a soft spot for Trump and keep reminding us that it is the votes that count | |||
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"... Apparently Clinton got more votes than Trump, just saying as many Brexiteers seem to have a soft spot for Trump and keep reminding us that it is the votes that count "Irrelevant as the Presidency is won by winning the right States not by total votes. You play game in the way required to win. As Hilary found out getting the most total votes wins you nothing. | |||
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"Best talk to Russia China India. etc before blaming him for global warming " Russia, China and India are all signed up to the Paris climate deal. | |||
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"There are probably a million people in the US who would be better presidential material. None of that million are Hillary Clinton so that certainly helped. " Absolutely right.
" Politics as a whole needs to see Trump as a wake-up call. Not because he's terrible, I don't think he's 10% as bad as they say, but because someone with so little actual presidential credibility beat their perception of what their best candidate was. This should alert them to the fact that their view of what the country wants is fatally skewed." Probably the best analysis of Trump that I've read. | |||
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"There are probably a million people in the US who would be better presidential material. None of that million are Hillary Clinton so that certainly helped. The fact is we can see the NPCs all around giving us nothing but what the mainstream media has programmed them to say (even in this very thread) but the actual results he is getting are pretty positive. Whether that's skill or luck are debatable but facts are facts. They said he had lost touch with reality when he promised to generate growth of 2.4%. When he delivered closer to double that the media said nothing. Buried it, because ragging on him is more profitable. Most of what is said about his is either outright lies or slanted half-truths, in an ideal world he would never be someone who got near to an elected office, but in this clown world we have right now, actually he's probably the best we can hope for. Mueller ended up being a gigantic nothing and the media are still clinging onto it for dear life hoping something comes out which contradicts what they have heard so far to allow them to keep the gravy train of the Trump Bump going. I don't think anything is coming. The democrats literally have lost touch with reality, opposing controls on abortion upto and including birth, straightfacedly proposing the Green New Deal and trying their level best to smear everyone who points out their lunacy. They have lost their base and honestly if the Republicans field someone with a bit more presidential clout after trump they will keep winning. The democrats are lurching further and further to the left, leaving behind classical liberals and appealing to a tiny fraction of very loud virtue signallers who even Obama described this week as a "Circular firing squad" Politics as a whole needs to see Trump as a wake-up call. Not because he's terrible, I don't think he's 10% as bad as they say, but because someone with so little actual presidential credibility beat their perception of what their best candidate was. This should alert them to the fact that their view of what the country wants is fatally skewed. Apparently Clinton got more votes than Trump, just saying as many Brexiteers seem to have a soft spot for Trump and keep reminding us that it is the votes that count "You're absolutely right, there are some parallels with the Brexit vote. In both scenarios a democratic process was initiated with a stated set of rules. In both cases the establishment left lost those democratic processes according to the rules agreed. And in both cases they then sought to de-legitimise the democratic process on grounds that wouldn't have even been talked about if the result had gone the other way. If Clinton had won the presidency on a slightly lower share of the popular vote than Trump, noone in the establishment would have given a shit that she didn't win the popular vote. If Remain had won by a tiny margin noone would be saying shit about running it again "just to be sure, more democracy can't be less democracy herp derp!" Both votes can be characterized as "We lost ergo toys must be thrown from prams and babies must be thrown out with bathwater. Hell will freeze over before we accept it" So yes, I agree, there are parallels. I'm not sure how much value your side will find in pointing them out. | |||
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"There are probably a million people in the US who would be better presidential material. None of that million are Hillary Clinton so that certainly helped. The fact is we can see the NPCs all around giving us nothing but what the mainstream media has programmed them to say (even in this very thread) but the actual results he is getting are pretty positive. Whether that's skill or luck are debatable but facts around e facts. They said he had lost touch with reality when he promised to generate growth of 2.4%. When he delivered closer to double that the media said nothing. Buried it, because ragging on him is more profitable. Most of what is said about his is either outright lies or slanted half-truths, in an ideal world he would never be someone who got near to an elected office, but in this clown world we have right now, actually he's probably the best we can hope for. Mueller ended up being a gigantic nothing and the media are still clinging onto it for dear life hoping something comes out which contradicts what they have heard so far to allow them to keep the gravy train of the Trump Bump going. I don't think anything is coming. The democrats literally have lost touch with reality, opposing controls on abortion upto and including birth, straightfacedly proposing the Green New Deal and trying their level best to smear everyone who points out their lunacy. They have lost their base and honestly if the Republicans field someone with a bit more presidential clout after trump they will keep winning. The democrats are lurching further and further to the left, leaving behind classical liberals and appealing to a tiny fraction of very loud virtue signallers who even Obama described this week as a "Circular firing squad" Politics as a whole needs to see Trump as a wake-up call. Not because he's terrible, I don't think he's 10% as bad as they say, but because someone with so little actual presidential credibility beat their perception of what their best candidate was. This should alert them to the fact that their view of what the country wants is fatally skewed. Apparently Clinton got more votes than Trump, just saying as many Brexiteers seem to have a soft spot for Trump and keep reminding us that it is the votes that count
You're absolutely right, there are some parallels with the Brexit vote.
In both scenarios a democratic process was initiated with a stated set of rules.
In both cases the establishment left lost those democratic processes according to the rules agreed.
And in both cases they then sought to de-legitimise the democratic process on grounds that wouldn't have even been talked about if the result had gone the other way.
If Clinton had won the presidency on a slightly lower share of the popular vote than Trump, noone in the establishment would have given a shit that she didn't win the popular vote.
If Remain had won by a tiny margin noone would be saying shit about running it again "just to be sure, more democracy can't be less democracy herp derp!"
Both votes can be characterized as "We lost ergo toys must be thrown from prams and babies must be thrown out with bathwater. Hell will freeze over before we accept it"
So yes, I agree, there are parallels. I'm not sure how much value your side will find in pointing them out. ""If Remain had won by a tiny margin noone would be saying shit about running it again "just to be sure, more democracy can" Yet... "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it." Nigel farage. | |||
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"I wonder though if remain had won 52/48 and people like farage were up in arms over the 'unfinished business' would the world care? Would all the media outlets go as big as they do for remain today? I personally think that had remain won with any size of majority then there wouldn't be nearly the number of column inches or hours of tv coverage giving a flying shyte about disgruntled leavers. Maybe a bit on the 'and finally' section on news at ten....'nigel farage goes bonkers looking a 2nd referendum' . The tidal wave of riddicule thrown his way because he can't accept the result of a democratic vote etc..etc... farage! You lost! Get over it!...would likely be the clarion call" This is exactly right, Farage and some others may have continued to moan, but unlike the remain vote they wouldn't have had the full force of the establishment behind them. The majority of brexit voters would have been disappointed but then gone about their daily lives as they have done every day as members of the EU since the 1970s. Maybe the closeness would have been (reasonable) grounds for saying there is a strong case for reform from within, but there wouldn't be a sniff of a rerun. I'm not even slightly convinced that even Farage would be actively seeking one. | |||
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"so they sign a shit bit of paper about climate change so what ...doing nothing about it ...my plastic bag or drinking straw is not going to save the world ...when will people open there eyes and see.....if we keep having kids and expanding then there has to be a change...more people .more pollution simple...." Thank you. This is a good post. Really shows how there needs to be some proper education around climate change in this country and probably around the world. As an example, plastic use has nothing to do with climate change. The Paris climate deal is more than “signing a bit of paper”, you should read a synopsis of what it’s for, what the goals are and how it hope to achieve those goals. | |||
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"There are probably a million people in the US who would be better presidential material. None of that million are Hillary Clinton so that certainly helped. The fact is we can see the NPCs all around giving us nothing but what the mainstream media has programmed them to say (even in this very thread) but the actual results he is getting are pretty positive. Whether that's skill or luck are debatable but facts are facts. They said he had lost touch with reality when he promised to generate growth of 2.4%. When he delivered closer to double that the media said nothing. Buried it, because ragging on him is more profitable. Most of what is said about his is either outright lies or slanted half-truths, in an ideal world he would never be someone who got near to an elected office, but in this clown world we have right now, actually he's probably the best we can hope for. Mueller ended up being a gigantic nothing and the media are still clinging onto it for dear life hoping something comes out which contradicts what they have heard so far to allow them to keep the gravy train of the Trump Bump going. I don't think anything is coming. The democrats literally have lost touch with reality, opposing controls on abortion upto and including birth, straightfacedly proposing the Green New Deal and trying their level best to smear everyone who points out their lunacy. They have lost their base and honestly if the Republicans field someone with a bit more presidential clout after trump they will keep winning. The democrats are lurching further and further to the left, leaving behind classical liberals and appealing to a tiny fraction of very loud virtue signallers who even Obama described this week as a "Circular firing squad" Politics as a whole needs to see Trump as a wake-up call. Not because he's terrible, I don't think he's 10% as bad as they say, but because someone with so little actual presidential credibility beat their perception of what their best candidate was. This should alert them to the fact that their view of what the country wants is fatally skewed. Apparently Clinton got more votes than Trump, just saying as many Brexiteers seem to have a soft spot for Trump and keep reminding us that it is the votes that count
You're absolutely right, there are some parallels with the Brexit vote.
In both scenarios a democratic process was initiated with a stated set of rules.
In both cases the establishment left lost those democratic processes according to the rules agreed.
And in both cases they then sought to de-legitimise the democratic process on grounds that wouldn't have even been talked about if the result had gone the other way.
If Clinton had won the presidency on a slightly lower share of the popular vote than Trump, noone in the establishment would have given a shit that she didn't win the popular vote.
If Remain had won by a tiny margin noone would be saying shit about running it again "just to be sure, more democracy can't be less democracy herp derp!"
Both votes can be characterized as "We lost ergo toys must be thrown from prams and babies must be thrown out with bathwater. Hell will freeze over before we accept it"
So yes, I agree, there are parallels. I'm not sure how much value your side will find in pointing them out. "Fear and prejudice are powerful weapons when you want to convince people to vote for the powerful to take more power for themselves. | |||
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"There are probably a million people in the US who would be better presidential material. None of that million are Hillary Clinton so that certainly helped. The fact is we can see the NPCs all around giving us nothing but what the mainstream media has programmed them to say (even in this very thread) but the actual results he is getting are pretty positive. Whether that's skill or luck are debatable but facts are facts. They said he had lost touch with reality when he promised to generate growth of 2.4%. When he delivered closer to double that the media said nothing. Buried it, because ragging on him is more profitable. Most of what is said about his is either outright lies or slanted half-truths, in an ideal world he would never be someone who got near to an elected office, but in this clown world we have right now, actually he's probably the best we can hope for. Mueller ended up being a gigantic nothing and the media are still clinging onto it for dear life hoping something comes out which contradicts what they have heard so far to allow them to keep the gravy train of the Trump Bump going. I don't think anything is coming. The democrats literally have lost touch with reality, opposing controls on abortion upto and including birth, straightfacedly proposing the Green New Deal and trying their level best to smear everyone who points out their lunacy. They have lost their base and honestly if the Republicans field someone with a bit more presidential clout after trump they will keep winning. The democrats are lurching further and further to the left, leaving behind classical liberals and appealing to a tiny fraction of very loud virtue signallers who even Obama described this week as a "Circular firing squad" Politics as a whole needs to see Trump as a wake-up call. Not because he's terrible, I don't think he's 10% as bad as they say, but because someone with so little actual presidential credibility beat their perception of what their best candidate was. This should alert them to the fact that their view of what the country wants is fatally skewed. Apparently Clinton got more votes than Trump, just saying as many Brexiteers seem to have a soft spot for Trump and keep reminding us that it is the votes that count
You're absolutely right, there are some parallels with the Brexit vote.
In both scenarios a democratic process was initiated with a stated set of rules.
In both cases the establishment left lost those democratic processes according to the rules agreed.
And in both cases they then sought to de-legitimise the democratic process on grounds that wouldn't have even been talked about if the result had gone the other way.
If Clinton had won the presidency on a slightly lower share of the popular vote than Trump, noone in the establishment would have given a shit that she didn't win the popular vote.
If Remain had won by a tiny margin noone would be saying shit about running it again "just to be sure, more democracy can't be less democracy herp derp!"
Both votes can be characterized as "We lost ergo toys must be thrown from prams and babies must be thrown out with bathwater. Hell will freeze over before we accept it"
So yes, I agree, there are parallels. I'm not sure how much value your side will find in pointing them out.
Fear and prejudice are powerful weapons when you want to convince people to vote for the powerful to take more power for themselves."or perhaps people are just fed up with liberals thinking they know whats best for EVERYONE.who knows but what i do know is when libs dont get there own way anyone who disagrees with them is smeared or shouted down.and they call the right facists | |||
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"There are probably a million people in the US who would be better presidential material. None of that million are Hillary Clinton so that certainly helped. The fact is we can see the NPCs all around giving us nothing but what the mainstream media has programmed them to say (even in this very thread) but the actual results he is getting are pretty positive. Whether that's skill or luck are debatable but facts are facts. They said he had lost touch with reality when he promised to generate growth of 2.4%. When he delivered closer to double that the media said nothing. Buried it, because ragging on him is more profitable. Most of what is said about his is either outright lies or slanted half-truths, in an ideal world he would never be someone who got near to an elected office, but in this clown world we have right now, actually he's probably the best we can hope for. Mueller ended up being a gigantic nothing and the media are still clinging onto it for dear life hoping something comes out which contradicts what they have heard so far to allow them to keep the gravy train of the Trump Bump going. I don't think anything is coming. The democrats literally have lost touch with reality, opposing controls on abortion upto and including birth, straightfacedly proposing the Green New Deal and trying their level best to smear everyone who points out their lunacy. They have lost their base and honestly if the Republicans field someone with a bit more presidential clout after trump they will keep winning. The democrats are lurching further and further to the left, leaving behind classical liberals and appealing to a tiny fraction of very loud virtue signallers who even Obama described this week as a "Circular firing squad" Politics as a whole needs to see Trump as a wake-up call. Not because he's terrible, I don't think he's 10% as bad as they say, but because someone with so little actual presidential credibility beat their perception of what their best candidate was. This should alert them to the fact that their view of what the country wants is fatally skewed. Apparently Clinton got more votes than Trump, just saying as many Brexiteers seem to have a soft spot for Trump and keep reminding us that it is the votes that count
You're absolutely right, there are some parallels with the Brexit vote.
In both scenarios a democratic process was initiated with a stated set of rules.
In both cases the establishment left lost those democratic processes according to the rules agreed.
And in both cases they then sought to de-legitimise the democratic process on grounds that wouldn't have even been talked about if the result had gone the other way.
If Clinton had won the presidency on a slightly lower share of the popular vote than Trump, noone in the establishment would have given a shit that she didn't win the popular vote.
If Remain had won by a tiny margin noone would be saying shit about running it again "just to be sure, more democracy can't be less democracy herp derp!"
Both votes can be characterized as "We lost ergo toys must be thrown from prams and babies must be thrown out with bathwater. Hell will freeze over before we accept it"
So yes, I agree, there are parallels. I'm not sure how much value your side will find in pointing them out.
Fear and prejudice are powerful weapons when you want to convince people to vote for the powerful to take more power for themselves.
or perhaps people are just fed up with liberals thinking they know whats best for EVERYONE.who knows but what i do know is when libs dont get there own way anyone who disagrees with them is smeared or shouted down.and they call the right facists "Not everyone who dislikes Trump is a “liberal” you know. Life is more complicated than liberals shouting at people. Seems to me that people on all sides have the capacity to shout at each other. | |||
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"I have to laugh at ye guys ripping shreds off Trump. From my veiw here in Ireland , you guys could really do with a good negotiator like Trump. " From my view here in Ireland you guys should be thankful that you don’t have someone as unhinged and lacking in knowledge negotiating something as complex as Brexit. | |||
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"There are probably a million people in the US who would be better presidential material. None of that million are Hillary Clinton so that certainly helped. The fact is we can see the NPCs all around giving us nothing but what the mainstream media has programmed them to say (even in this very thread) but the actual results he is getting are pretty positive. Whether that's skill or luck are debatable but facts are facts. They said he had lost touch with reality when he promised to generate growth of 2.4%. When he delivered closer to double that the media said nothing. Buried it, because ragging on him is more profitable. Most of what is said about his is either outright lies or slanted half-truths, in an ideal world he would never be someone who got near to an elected office, but in this clown world we have right now, actually he's probably the best we can hope for. Mueller ended up being a gigantic nothing and the media are still clinging onto it for dear life hoping something comes out which contradicts what they have heard so far to allow them to keep the gravy train of the Trump Bump going. I don't think anything is coming. The democrats literally have lost touch with reality, opposing controls on abortion upto and including birth, straightfacedly proposing the Green New Deal and trying their level best to smear everyone who points out their lunacy. They have lost their base and honestly if the Republicans field someone with a bit more presidential clout after trump they will keep winning. The democrats are lurching further and further to the left, leaving behind classical liberals and appealing to a tiny fraction of very loud virtue signallers who even Obama described this week as a "Circular firing squad" Politics as a whole needs to see Trump as a wake-up call. Not because he's terrible, I don't think he's 10% as bad as they say, but because someone with so little actual presidential credibility beat their perception of what their best candidate was. This should alert them to the fact that their view of what the country wants is fatally skewed. Apparently Clinton got more votes than Trump, just saying as many Brexiteers seem to have a soft spot for Trump and keep reminding us that it is the votes that count
You're absolutely right, there are some parallels with the Brexit vote.
In both scenarios a democratic process was initiated with a stated set of rules.
In both cases the establishment left lost those democratic processes according to the rules agreed.
And in both cases they then sought to de-legitimise the democratic process on grounds that wouldn't have even been talked about if the result had gone the other way.
If Clinton had won the presidency on a slightly lower share of the popular vote than Trump, noone in the establishment would have given a shit that she didn't win the popular vote.
If Remain had won by a tiny margin noone would be saying shit about running it again "just to be sure, more democracy can't be less democracy herp derp!"
Both votes can be characterized as "We lost ergo toys must be thrown from prams and babies must be thrown out with bathwater. Hell will freeze over before we accept it"
So yes, I agree, there are parallels. I'm not sure how much value your side will find in pointing them out.
Fear and prejudice are powerful weapons when you want to convince people to vote for the powerful to take more power for themselves.
or perhaps people are just fed up with liberals thinking they know whats best for EVERYONE.who knows but what i do know is when libs dont get there own way anyone who disagrees with them is smeared or shouted down.and they call the right facists
Not everyone who dislikes Trump is a “liberal” you know.
Life is more complicated than liberals shouting at people. Seems to me that people on all sides have the capacity to shout at each other. "but liberals just love pointing out there right and anyone who disagrees is wrong and is racist bigoted uneducated sexist homophobic or several other insults.they dont have the capacity to take anyone elses opinion on board its there way or your a piece of shit.personaly i love it when people like that start losing there shit eyes bulging its very amusing to watch like a toddler having a tantrum | |||
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"There are probably a million people in the US who would be better presidential material. None of that million are Hillary Clinton so that certainly helped. The fact is we can see the NPCs all around giving us nothing but what the mainstream media has programmed them to say (even in this very thread) but the actual results he is getting are pretty positive. Whether that's skill or luck are debatable but facts are facts. They said he had lost touch with reality when he promised to generate growth of 2.4%. When he delivered closer to double that the media said nothing. Buried it, because ragging on him is more profitable. Most of what is said about his is either outright lies or slanted half-truths, in an ideal world he would never be someone who got near to an elected office, but in this clown world we have right now, actually he's probably the best we can hope for. Mueller ended up being a gigantic nothing and the media are still clinging onto it for dear life hoping something comes out which contradicts what they have heard so far to allow them to keep the gravy train of the Trump Bump going. I don't think anything is coming. The democrats literally have lost touch with reality, opposing controls on abortion upto and including birth, straightfacedly proposing the Green New Deal and trying their level best to smear everyone who points out their lunacy. They have lost their base and honestly if the Republicans field someone with a bit more presidential clout after trump they will keep winning. The democrats are lurching further and further to the left, leaving behind classical liberals and appealing to a tiny fraction of very loud virtue signallers who even Obama described this week as a "Circular firing squad" Politics as a whole needs to see Trump as a wake-up call. Not because he's terrible, I don't think he's 10% as bad as they say, but because someone with so little actual presidential credibility beat their perception of what their best candidate was. This should alert them to the fact that their view of what the country wants is fatally skewed. Apparently Clinton got more votes than Trump, just saying as many Brexiteers seem to have a soft spot for Trump and keep reminding us that it is the votes that count
You're absolutely right, there are some parallels with the Brexit vote.
In both scenarios a democratic process was initiated with a stated set of rules.
In both cases the establishment left lost those democratic processes according to the rules agreed.
And in both cases they then sought to de-legitimise the democratic process on grounds that wouldn't have even been talked about if the result had gone the other way.
If Clinton had won the presidency on a slightly lower share of the popular vote than Trump, noone in the establishment would have given a shit that she didn't win the popular vote.
If Remain had won by a tiny margin noone would be saying shit about running it again "just to be sure, more democracy can't be less democracy herp derp!"
Both votes can be characterized as "We lost ergo toys must be thrown from prams and babies must be thrown out with bathwater. Hell will freeze over before we accept it"
So yes, I agree, there are parallels. I'm not sure how much value your side will find in pointing them out.
Fear and prejudice are powerful weapons when you want to convince people to vote for the powerful to take more power for themselves.
or perhaps people are just fed up with liberals thinking they know whats best for EVERYONE.who knows but what i do know is when libs dont get there own way anyone who disagrees with them is smeared or shouted down.and they call the right facists
Not everyone who dislikes Trump is a “liberal” you know.
Life is more complicated than liberals shouting at people. Seems to me that people on all sides have the capacity to shout at each other.
but liberals just love pointing out there right and anyone who disagrees is wrong and is racist bigoted uneducated sexist homophobic or several other insults.they dont have the capacity to take anyone elses opinion on board its there way or your a piece of shit.personaly i love it when people like that start losing there shit eyes bulging its very amusing to watch like a toddler having a tantrum "You must be a regular at your local massage parlour? That chip up there on your shoulder is huge. I’m not interested in being dragged into a debate about “liberals” are this or “liberals” are that. People are people, some good, some not so much, regardless of what category you wish to put them into. | |||
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"There are probably a million people in the US who would be better presidential material. None of that million are Hillary Clinton so that certainly helped. The fact is we can see the NPCs all around giving us nothing but what the mainstream media has programmed them to say (even in this very thread) but the actual results he is getting are pretty positive. Whether that's skill or luck are debatable but facts are facts. They said he had lost touch with reality when he promised to generate growth of 2.4%. When he delivered closer to double that the media said nothing. Buried it, because ragging on him is more profitable. Most of what is said about his is either outright lies or slanted half-truths, in an ideal world he would never be someone who got near to an elected office, but in this clown world we have right now, actually he's probably the best we can hope for. Mueller ended up being a gigantic nothing and the media are still clinging onto it for dear life hoping something comes out which contradicts what they have heard so far to allow them to keep the gravy train of the Trump Bump going. I don't think anything is coming. The democrats literally have lost touch with reality, opposing controls on abortion upto and including birth, straightfacedly proposing the Green New Deal and trying their level best to smear everyone who points out their lunacy. They have lost their base and honestly if the Republicans field someone with a bit more presidential clout after trump they will keep winning. The democrats are lurching further and further to the left, leaving behind classical liberals and appealing to a tiny fraction of very loud virtue signallers who even Obama described this week as a "Circular firing squad" Politics as a whole needs to see Trump as a wake-up call. Not because he's terrible, I don't think he's 10% as bad as they say, but because someone with so little actual presidential credibility beat their perception of what their best candidate was. This should alert them to the fact that their view of what the country wants is fatally skewed. Apparently Clinton got more votes than Trump, just saying as many Brexiteers seem to have a soft spot for Trump and keep reminding us that it is the votes that count
You're absolutely right, there are some parallels with the Brexit vote.
In both scenarios a democratic process was initiated with a stated set of rules.
In both cases the establishment left lost those democratic processes according to the rules agreed.
And in both cases they then sought to de-legitimise the democratic process on grounds that wouldn't have even been talked about if the result had gone the other way.
If Clinton had won the presidency on a slightly lower share of the popular vote than Trump, noone in the establishment would have given a shit that she didn't win the popular vote.
If Remain had won by a tiny margin noone would be saying shit about running it again "just to be sure, more democracy can't be less democracy herp derp!"
Both votes can be characterized as "We lost ergo toys must be thrown from prams and babies must be thrown out with bathwater. Hell will freeze over before we accept it"
So yes, I agree, there are parallels. I'm not sure how much value your side will find in pointing them out.
Fear and prejudice are powerful weapons when you want to convince people to vote for the powerful to take more power for themselves.
or perhaps people are just fed up with liberals thinking they know whats best for EVERYONE.who knows but what i do know is when libs dont get there own way anyone who disagrees with them is smeared or shouted down.and they call the right facists
Not everyone who dislikes Trump is a “liberal” you know.
Life is more complicated than liberals shouting at people. Seems to me that people on all sides have the capacity to shout at each other.
but liberals just love pointing out there right and anyone who disagrees is wrong and is racist bigoted uneducated sexist homophobic or several other insults.they dont have the capacity to take anyone elses opinion on board its there way or your a piece of shit.personaly i love it when people like that start losing there shit eyes bulging its very amusing to watch like a toddler having a tantrum
You must be a regular at your local massage parlour? That chip up there on your shoulder is huge.
I’m not interested in being dragged into a debate about “liberals” are this or “liberals” are that. People are people, some good, some not so much, regardless of what category you wish to put them into. "hahaha no chip on my shoulder libs are just as bad a some on the right although they cant see it.any one who gwts a bit fundementalist about any belief either political or relegious is a bit of a cockwomble in my book.back to the qeustion about trump he got elected because the other choice was even worse than him.if killary had got inno doubt we would be in the middle of giving another arab country DeMOCracy by now | |||
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"There are probably a million people in the US who would be better presidential material. None of that million are Hillary Clinton so that certainly helped. The fact is we can see the NPCs all around giving us nothing but what the mainstream media has programmed them to say (even in this very thread) but the actual results he is getting are pretty positive. Whether that's skill or luck are debatable but facts are facts. They said he had lost touch with reality when he promised to generate growth of 2.4%. When he delivered closer to double that the media said nothing. Buried it, because ragging on him is more profitable. Most of what is said about his is either outright lies or slanted half-truths, in an ideal world he would never be someone who got near to an elected office, but in this clown world we have right now, actually he's probably the best we can hope for. Mueller ended up being a gigantic nothing and the media are still clinging onto it for dear life hoping something comes out which contradicts what they have heard so far to allow them to keep the gravy train of the Trump Bump going. I don't think anything is coming. The democrats literally have lost touch with reality, opposing controls on abortion upto and including birth, straightfacedly proposing the Green New Deal and trying their level best to smear everyone who points out their lunacy. They have lost their base and honestly if the Republicans field someone with a bit more presidential clout after trump they will keep winning. The democrats are lurching further and further to the left, leaving behind classical liberals and appealing to a tiny fraction of very loud virtue signallers who even Obama described this week as a "Circular firing squad" Politics as a whole needs to see Trump as a wake-up call. Not because he's terrible, I don't think he's 10% as bad as they say, but because someone with so little actual presidential credibility beat their perception of what their best candidate was. This should alert them to the fact that their view of what the country wants is fatally skewed. Apparently Clinton got more votes than Trump, just saying as many Brexiteers seem to have a soft spot for Trump and keep reminding us that it is the votes that count
You're absolutely right, there are some parallels with the Brexit vote.
In both scenarios a democratic process was initiated with a stated set of rules.
In both cases the establishment left lost those democratic processes according to the rules agreed.
And in both cases they then sought to de-legitimise the democratic process on grounds that wouldn't have even been talked about if the result had gone the other way.
If Clinton had won the presidency on a slightly lower share of the popular vote than Trump, noone in the establishment would have given a shit that she didn't win the popular vote.
If Remain had won by a tiny margin noone would be saying shit about running it again "just to be sure, more democracy can't be less democracy herp derp!"
Both votes can be characterized as "We lost ergo toys must be thrown from prams and babies must be thrown out with bathwater. Hell will freeze over before we accept it"
So yes, I agree, there are parallels. I'm not sure how much value your side will find in pointing them out. "Am I wrong in saying that Farage thought Remain had won 52:48 and said it wouldn’t be over and he would contest it again? As you can see the Establishment are no different to remainers | |||
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"There are probably a million people in the US who would be better presidential material. None of that million are Hillary Clinton so that certainly helped. The fact is we can see the NPCs all around giving us nothing but what the mainstream media has programmed them to say (even in this very thread) but the actual results he is getting are pretty positive. Whether that's skill or luck are debatable but facts are facts. They said he had lost touch with reality when he promised to generate growth of 2.4%. When he delivered closer to double that the media said nothing. Buried it, because ragging on him is more profitable. Most of what is said about his is either outright lies or slanted half-truths, in an ideal world he would never be someone who got near to an elected office, but in this clown world we have right now, actually he's probably the best we can hope for. Mueller ended up being a gigantic nothing and the media are still clinging onto it for dear life hoping something comes out which contradicts what they have heard so far to allow them to keep the gravy train of the Trump Bump going. I don't think anything is coming. The democrats literally have lost touch with reality, opposing controls on abortion upto and including birth, straightfacedly proposing the Green New Deal and trying their level best to smear everyone who points out their lunacy. They have lost their base and honestly if the Republicans field someone with a bit more presidential clout after trump they will keep winning. The democrats are lurching further and further to the left, leaving behind classical liberals and appealing to a tiny fraction of very loud virtue signallers who even Obama described this week as a "Circular firing squad" Politics as a whole needs to see Trump as a wake-up call. Not because he's terrible, I don't think he's 10% as bad as they say, but because someone with so little actual presidential credibility beat their perception of what their best candidate was. This should alert them to the fact that their view of what the country wants is fatally skewed. Apparently Clinton got more votes than Trump, just saying as many Brexiteers seem to have a soft spot for Trump and keep reminding us that it is the votes that count
You're absolutely right, there are some parallels with the Brexit vote.
In both scenarios a democratic process was initiated with a stated set of rules.
In both cases the establishment left lost those democratic processes according to the rules agreed.
And in both cases they then sought to de-legitimise the democratic process on grounds that wouldn't have even been talked about if the result had gone the other way.
If Clinton had won the presidency on a slightly lower share of the popular vote than Trump, noone in the establishment would have given a shit that she didn't win the popular vote.
If Remain had won by a tiny margin noone would be saying shit about running it again "just to be sure, more democracy can't be less democracy herp derp!"
Both votes can be characterized as "We lost ergo toys must be thrown from prams and babies must be thrown out with bathwater. Hell will freeze over before we accept it"
So yes, I agree, there are parallels. I'm not sure how much value your side will find in pointing them out.
Am I wrong in saying that Farage thought Remain had won 52:48 and said it wouldn’t be over and he would contest it again? As you can see the Establishment are no different to remainers "Remainers are the establishment. | |||
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"There are probably a million people in the US who would be better presidential material. None of that million are Hillary Clinton so that certainly helped. The fact is we can see the NPCs all around giving us nothing but what the mainstream media has programmed them to say (even in this very thread) but the actual results he is getting are pretty positive. Whether that's skill or luck are debatable but facts are facts. They said he had lost touch with reality when he promised to generate growth of 2.4%. When he delivered closer to double that the media said nothing. Buried it, because ragging on him is more profitable. Most of what is said about his is either outright lies or slanted half-truths, in an ideal world he would never be someone who got near to an elected office, but in this clown world we have right now, actually he's probably the best we can hope for. Mueller ended up being a gigantic nothing and the media are still clinging onto it for dear life hoping something comes out which contradicts what they have heard so far to allow them to keep the gravy train of the Trump Bump going. I don't think anything is coming. The democrats literally have lost touch with reality, opposing controls on abortion upto and including birth, straightfacedly proposing the Green New Deal and trying their level best to smear everyone who points out their lunacy. They have lost their base and honestly if the Republicans field someone with a bit more presidential clout after trump they will keep winning. The democrats are lurching further and further to the left, leaving behind classical liberals and appealing to a tiny fraction of very loud virtue signallers who even Obama described this week as a "Circular firing squad" Politics as a whole needs to see Trump as a wake-up call. Not because he's terrible, I don't think he's 10% as bad as they say, but because someone with so little actual presidential credibility beat their perception of what their best candidate was. This should alert them to the fact that their view of what the country wants is fatally skewed. Apparently Clinton got more votes than Trump, just saying as many Brexiteers seem to have a soft spot for Trump and keep reminding us that it is the votes that count
You're absolutely right, there are some parallels with the Brexit vote.
In both scenarios a democratic process was initiated with a stated set of rules.
In both cases the establishment left lost those democratic processes according to the rules agreed.
And in both cases they then sought to de-legitimise the democratic process on grounds that wouldn't have even been talked about if the result had gone the other way.
If Clinton had won the presidency on a slightly lower share of the popular vote than Trump, noone in the establishment would have given a shit that she didn't win the popular vote.
If Remain had won by a tiny margin noone would be saying shit about running it again "just to be sure, more democracy can't be less democracy herp derp!"
Both votes can be characterized as "We lost ergo toys must be thrown from prams and babies must be thrown out with bathwater. Hell will freeze over before we accept it"
So yes, I agree, there are parallels. I'm not sure how much value your side will find in pointing them out.
Am I wrong in saying that Farage thought Remain had won 52:48 and said it wouldn’t be over and he would contest it again? As you can see the Establishment are no different to remainers
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"There are probably a million people in the US who would be better presidential material. None of that million are Hillary Clinton so that certainly helped. The fact is we can see the NPCs all around giving us nothing but what the mainstream media has programmed them to say (even in this very thread) but the actual results he is getting are pretty positive. Whether that's skill or luck are debatable but facts are facts. They said he had lost touch with reality when he promised to generate growth of 2.4%. When he delivered closer to double that the media said nothing. Buried it, because ragging on him is more profitable. Most of what is said about his is either outright lies or slanted half-truths, in an ideal world he would never be someone who got near to an elected office, but in this clown world we have right now, actually he's probably the best we can hope for. Mueller ended up being a gigantic nothing and the media are still clinging onto it for dear life hoping something comes out which contradicts what they have heard so far to allow them to keep the gravy train of the Trump Bump going. I don't think anything is coming. The democrats literally have lost touch with reality, opposing controls on abortion upto and including birth, straightfacedly proposing the Green New Deal and trying their level best to smear everyone who points out their lunacy. They have lost their base and honestly if the Republicans field someone with a bit more presidential clout after trump they will keep winning. The democrats are lurching further and further to the left, leaving behind classical liberals and appealing to a tiny fraction of very loud virtue signallers who even Obama described this week as a "Circular firing squad" Politics as a whole needs to see Trump as a wake-up call. Not because he's terrible, I don't think he's 10% as bad as they say, but because someone with so little actual presidential credibility beat their perception of what their best candidate was. This should alert them to the fact that their view of what the country wants is fatally skewed. Apparently Clinton got more votes than Trump, just saying as many Brexiteers seem to have a soft spot for Trump and keep reminding us that it is the votes that count
You're absolutely right, there are some parallels with the Brexit vote.
In both scenarios a democratic process was initiated with a stated set of rules.
In both cases the establishment left lost those democratic processes according to the rules agreed.
And in both cases they then sought to de-legitimise the democratic process on grounds that wouldn't have even been talked about if the result had gone the other way.
If Clinton had won the presidency on a slightly lower share of the popular vote than Trump, noone in the establishment would have given a shit that she didn't win the popular vote.
If Remain had won by a tiny margin noone would be saying shit about running it again "just to be sure, more democracy can't be less democracy herp derp!"
Both votes can be characterized as "We lost ergo toys must be thrown from prams and babies must be thrown out with bathwater. Hell will freeze over before we accept it"
So yes, I agree, there are parallels. I'm not sure how much value your side will find in pointing them out.
Am I wrong in saying that Farage thought Remain had won 52:48 and said it wouldn’t be over and he would contest it again? As you can see the Establishment are no different to remainers
Remainers are the establishment.
The ERG are not part of the establishment? Genuinely surprised at you for this one, surely Eton is as edtablished as you can get? "They are also the establishment. It's not difficult. Unless you think Theresa May, Tony Blair, George Soros, Richard Branson, Kenneth Clarke, Margaret Thatcher, John Major are somehow not the Establishment. | |||
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"There are probably a million people in the US who would be better presidential material. None of that million are Hillary Clinton so that certainly helped. The fact is we can see the NPCs all around giving us nothing but what the mainstream media has programmed them to say (even in this very thread) but the actual results he is getting are pretty positive. Whether that's skill or luck are debatable but facts are facts. They said he had lost touch with reality when he promised to generate growth of 2.4%. When he delivered closer to double that the media said nothing. Buried it, because ragging on him is more profitable. Most of what is said about his is either outright lies or slanted half-truths, in an ideal world he would never be someone who got near to an elected office, but in this clown world we have right now, actually he's probably the best we can hope for. Mueller ended up being a gigantic nothing and the media are still clinging onto it for dear life hoping something comes out which contradicts what they have heard so far to allow them to keep the gravy train of the Trump Bump going. I don't think anything is coming. The democrats literally have lost touch with reality, opposing controls on abortion upto and including birth, straightfacedly proposing the Green New Deal and trying their level best to smear everyone who points out their lunacy. They have lost their base and honestly if the Republicans field someone with a bit more presidential clout after trump they will keep winning. The democrats are lurching further and further to the left, leaving behind classical liberals and appealing to a tiny fraction of very loud virtue signallers who even Obama described this week as a "Circular firing squad" Politics as a whole needs to see Trump as a wake-up call. Not because he's terrible, I don't think he's 10% as bad as they say, but because someone with so little actual presidential credibility beat their perception of what their best candidate was. This should alert them to the fact that their view of what the country wants is fatally skewed. Apparently Clinton got more votes than Trump, just saying as many Brexiteers seem to have a soft spot for Trump and keep reminding us that it is the votes that count
You're absolutely right, there are some parallels with the Brexit vote.
In both scenarios a democratic process was initiated with a stated set of rules.
In both cases the establishment left lost those democratic processes according to the rules agreed.
And in both cases they then sought to de-legitimise the democratic process on grounds that wouldn't have even been talked about if the result had gone the other way.
If Clinton had won the presidency on a slightly lower share of the popular vote than Trump, noone in the establishment would have given a shit that she didn't win the popular vote.
If Remain had won by a tiny margin noone would be saying shit about running it again "just to be sure, more democracy can't be less democracy herp derp!"
Both votes can be characterized as "We lost ergo toys must be thrown from prams and babies must be thrown out with bathwater. Hell will freeze over before we accept it"
So yes, I agree, there are parallels. I'm not sure how much value your side will find in pointing them out.
Am I wrong in saying that Farage thought Remain had won 52:48 and said it wouldn’t be over and he would contest it again? As you can see the Establishment are no different to remainers
Remainers are the establishment.
The ERG are not part of the establishment? Genuinely surprised at you for this one, surely Eton is as edtablished as you can get?
They are also the establishment. It's not difficult.
Unless you think Theresa May, Tony Blair, George Soros, Richard Branson, Kenneth Clarke, Margaret Thatcher, John Major are somehow not the Establishment. "It might be easier to say who isn’t then! Can’t think of any politicians who aren’t now... | |||
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"Don’t you just love a right wing circle jerk! Time you guys all stopped patting your smug selves on the back! Maybe you should watch blue planet2 and see the effect of 40 percent less sea ice on the walrus population - its quite sobering. But then again maybe you’d rather be burying your head in the sand watching wanker clarkson on the grand tour spuffing his pants over another pointless over priced gas guzzling elitist automotive monstrosity?
Did you actually read the first 75% of the thread before you weighed in with words like "circle jerk""Yes actually I did and I stand by my comments | |||
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"He won, Hillary lost. That's how it works regardless of how you feel about it " Yes he won thanks to: Wikileaks, Russian hackers, Comey and the FBI, all just before the vote! What did the emails prove? Has he locked Hillary up? Oh, and who, in the Trump administration, has used a private email server, (after the scandal)? You can't claim the moral high ground, if you have no morals! | |||
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"There are probably a million people in the US who would be better presidential material. None of that million are Hillary Clinton so that certainly helped. The fact is we can see the NPCs all around giving us nothing but what the mainstream media has programmed them to say (even in this very thread) but the actual results he is getting are pretty positive. Whether that's skill or luck are debatable but facts are facts. They said he had lost touch with reality when he promised to generate growth of 2.4%. When he delivered closer to double that the media said nothing. Buried it, because ragging on him is more profitable. Most of what is said about his is either outright lies or slanted half-truths, in an ideal world he would never be someone who got near to an elected office, but in this clown world we have right now, actually he's probably the best we can hope for. Mueller ended up being a gigantic nothing and the media are still clinging onto it for dear life hoping something comes out which contradicts what they have heard so far to allow them to keep the gravy train of the Trump Bump going. I don't think anything is coming. The democrats literally have lost touch with reality, opposing controls on abortion upto and including birth, straightfacedly proposing the Green New Deal and trying their level best to smear everyone who points out their lunacy. They have lost their base and honestly if the Republicans field someone with a bit more presidential clout after trump they will keep winning. The democrats are lurching further and further to the left, leaving behind classical liberals and appealing to a tiny fraction of very loud virtue signallers who even Obama described this week as a "Circular firing squad" Politics as a whole needs to see Trump as a wake-up call. Not because he's terrible, I don't think he's 10% as bad as they say, but because someone with so little actual presidential credibility beat their perception of what their best candidate was. This should alert them to the fact that their view of what the country wants is fatally skewed. Apparently Clinton got more votes than Trump, just saying as many Brexiteers seem to have a soft spot for Trump and keep reminding us that it is the votes that count
You're absolutely right, there are some parallels with the Brexit vote.
In both scenarios a democratic process was initiated with a stated set of rules.
In both cases the establishment left lost those democratic processes according to the rules agreed.
And in both cases they then sought to de-legitimise the democratic process on grounds that wouldn't have even been talked about if the result had gone the other way.
If Clinton had won the presidency on a slightly lower share of the popular vote than Trump, noone in the establishment would have given a shit that she didn't win the popular vote.
If Remain had won by a tiny margin noone would be saying shit about running it again "just to be sure, more democracy can't be less democracy herp derp!"
Both votes can be characterized as "We lost ergo toys must be thrown from prams and babies must be thrown out with bathwater. Hell will freeze over before we accept it"
So yes, I agree, there are parallels. I'm not sure how much value your side will find in pointing them out.
Fear and prejudice are powerful weapons when you want to convince people to vote for the powerful to take more power for themselves.
or perhaps people are just fed up with liberals thinking they know whats best for EVERYONE.who knows but what i do know is when libs dont get there own way anyone who disagrees with them is smeared or shouted down.and they call the right facists
Not everyone who dislikes Trump is a “liberal” you know.
Life is more complicated than liberals shouting at people. Seems to me that people on all sides have the capacity to shout at each other. "Case in point: Iowa's Longest-Serving Republican Switches to Democratic Party, Citing Trump http://time.com/5577204/andy-mckean-iowa-republican-democrat-trump/ He summarises a lot of Trump's main accomplishments quite succinctly. | |||
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"Any political leaders on fab reading this right now? C'mon! Let it be known! I could've sworn that Angela Markel was on page 1 of hot pics last week.... I bet there has to be a politician on fab...spread the word to your colleagues and boycot the trump visit!!! " I’m sure you mean Angela Merkel and as fas as I’m aware she has not invited Trump to Germany on a state visit. Probably because she knows he’s a divisive moron. | |||
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"Brave ?? He dodged the draft ... also scared of that terrifying grandma known as Nancy Pelosi I just made myself lol x" Trumps make me lol too xx | |||
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"Any political leaders on fab reading this right now? C'mon! Let it be known! I could've sworn that Angela Markel was on page 1 of hot pics last week.... I bet there has to be a politician on fab...spread the word to your colleagues and boycot the trump visit!!! I’m sure you mean Angela Merkel and as fas as I’m aware she has not invited Trump to Germany on a state visit. Probably because she knows he’s a divisive moron. " I actually think he’s in touch with many centre left and right people, talks straight, no bull, actual does everything he says he’s going to do, only upsets socialist lefties and the usual pc type. The world has gone to hell in a hand cart with ferrel people being allowed to run riot. | |||
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"Any political leaders on fab reading this right now? C'mon! Let it be known! I could've sworn that Angela Markel was on page 1 of hot pics last week.... I bet there has to be a politician on fab...spread the word to your colleagues and boycot the trump visit!!! I’m sure you mean Angela Merkel and as fas as I’m aware she has not invited Trump to Germany on a state visit. Probably because she knows he’s a divisive moron. I actually think he’s in touch with many centre left and right people, talks straight, no bull, actual does everything he says he’s going to do, only upsets socialist lefties and the usual pc type. The world has gone to hell in a hand cart with ferrel people being allowed to run riot. " | |||
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"Any political leaders on fab reading this right now? C'mon! Let it be known! I could've sworn that Angela Markel was on page 1 of hot pics last week.... I bet there has to be a politician on fab...spread the word to your colleagues and boycot the trump visit!!! I’m sure you mean Angela Merkel and as fas as I’m aware she has not invited Trump to Germany on a state visit. Probably because she knows he’s a divisive moron. I actually think he’s in touch with many centre left and right people, talks straight, no bull, actual does everything he says he’s going to do, only upsets socialist lefties and the usual pc type. The world has gone to hell in a hand cart with ferrel people being allowed to run riot. " Does everything he says? Only if he says he's going to go bankrupt. He's not shown his tax returns yet, despite saying he would. He's not introduced a better health care scheme despite saying he would. He hasn't drained the swamp, despite saying he would. The man is a sex pest and a liar. | |||
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"Well done Corby, Cable and Bercow for refusing to entertain the prick when he visits the UK. " I’m sure he really gives a shit... | |||
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"Well done Corby, Cable and Bercow for refusing to entertain the prick when he visits the UK. " That's not very respectful, is it...?? Have you met Mr. Trump...? Thought not. Neither have I, before you parp back. BUT.... I don't have the sick habit of denigrating someone who has reached high office just because tbeir political ideology does not suit my own. Typical left wing crap. Answer THAT & stay fashionable. | |||
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"Well done Corby, Cable and Bercow for refusing to entertain the prick when he visits the UK. That's not very respectful, is it...?? Have you met Mr. Trump...? Thought not. Neither have I, before you parp back. BUT.... I don't have the sick habit of denigrating someone who has reached high office just because tbeir political ideology does not suit my own. Typical left wing crap. Answer THAT & stay fashionable. " I'm sure your opinion of me is of interest to some people. I'm not one of them. | |||
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"Well done Corby, Cable and Bercow for refusing to entertain the prick when he visits the UK. That's not very respectful, is it...?? Have you met Mr. Trump...? Thought not. Neither have I, before you parp back. BUT.... I don't have the sick habit of denigrating someone who has reached high office just because tbeir political ideology does not suit my own. Typical left wing crap. Answer THAT & stay fashionable. " If you can't accept an opinion that is different from your own, then you should not be on here! With regards to respect, you earn it, Trump has done nothing to earn it, and those who think differently, will find out, at sometime in the future, when the truth comes out! | |||
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"Well done Corby, Cable and Bercow for refusing to entertain the prick when he visits the UK. That's not very respectful, is it...?? Have you met Mr. Trump...? Thought not. Neither have I, before you parp back. BUT.... I don't have the sick habit of denigrating someone who has reached high office just because tbeir political ideology does not suit my own. Typical left wing crap. Answer THAT & stay fashionable. " So what term should we use for a man who cheats on his wife with a porn star? Or who sides with openly racist groups? Or who thinks it's ok to grope women? Or who stiffs his suppliers with his bankruptcies (multiple) Or who opens fake university's? Answer that without coming across as an alt-right nutjob. | |||
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"And his latest lie is incredibly sick - claiming that doctors are murdering new born babies. And people will believe and repeat this and who knows what might happen to doctors or women seeking abortions as a result. " They will go to jail for life. His new laws. | |||
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"There are probably a million people in the US who would be better presidential material. None of that million are Hillary Clinton so that certainly helped. The fact is we can see the NPCs all around giving us nothing but what the mainstream media has programmed them to say (even in this very thread) but the actual results he is getting are pretty positive. Whether that's skill or luck are debatable but facts are facts. They said he had lost touch with reality when he promised to generate growth of 2.4%. When he delivered closer to double that the media said nothing. Buried it, because ragging on him is more profitable. Most of what is said about his is either outright lies or slanted half-truths, in an ideal world he would never be someone who got near to an elected office, but in this clown world we have right now, actually he's probably the best we can hope for. Mueller ended up being a gigantic nothing and the media are still clinging onto it for dear life hoping something comes out which contradicts what they have heard so far to allow them to keep the gravy train of the Trump Bump going. I don't think anything is coming. The democrats literally have lost touch with reality, opposing controls on abortion upto and including birth, straightfacedly proposing the Green New Deal and trying their level best to smear everyone who points out their lunacy. They have lost their base and honestly if the Republicans field someone with a bit more presidential clout after trump they will keep winning. The democrats are lurching further and further to the left, leaving behind classical liberals and appealing to a tiny fraction of very loud virtue signallers who even Obama described this week as a "Circular firing squad" Politics as a whole needs to see Trump as a wake-up call. Not because he's terrible, I don't think he's 10% as bad as they say, but because someone with so little actual presidential credibility beat their perception of what their best candidate was. This should alert them to the fact that their view of what the country wants is fatally skewed. Apparently Clinton got more votes than Trump, just saying as many Brexiteers seem to have a soft spot for Trump and keep reminding us that it is the votes that count
You're absolutely right, there are some parallels with the Brexit vote.
In both scenarios a democratic process was initiated with a stated set of rules.
In both cases the establishment left lost those democratic processes according to the rules agreed.
And in both cases they then sought to de-legitimise the democratic process on grounds that wouldn't have even been talked about if the result had gone the other way.
If Clinton had won the presidency on a slightly lower share of the popular vote than Trump, noone in the establishment would have given a shit that she didn't win the popular vote.
If Remain had won by a tiny margin noone would be saying shit about running it again "just to be sure, more democracy can't be less democracy herp derp!"
Both votes can be characterized as "We lost ergo toys must be thrown from prams and babies must be thrown out with bathwater. Hell will freeze over before we accept it"
So yes, I agree, there are parallels. I'm not sure how much value your side will find in pointing them out.
Am I wrong in saying that Farage thought Remain had won 52:48 and said it wouldn’t be over and he would contest it again? As you can see the Establishment are no different to remainers
Remainers are the establishment. "And Fararge, Mogg, Duncan Smith et al. aren't? I'd never of known that if wasn't for you. | |||
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"I'm think he will go down in history as the best President America ever had.. " I’ll be looking forward to his impeachment after he goes down in flames | |||
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"I'm think he will go down in history as the best President America ever had.. " I doubt that. | |||
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"I'm think he will go down in history as the best President America ever had.. I’ll be looking forward to his impeachment after he goes down in flames "But I doubt this even more. | |||
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seems everyone has it these days!
And no i'm not a supporter before you all jump to conclusions...i'm anti war. | |||
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"48% approval rating are the latest figures apparently. However only 37% say they will vote for him in 2020. Could he be a one termer or are his supporters frightened/embarrassed to admit to wishing to vote trump in 2020.... i think he'll get a 2nd term because of his economic and employment figures but his foreign policies suck. But at least the big pharma companies will do well selling their treatmemt programmes for those with chronic trump derangement syndrome
seems everyone has it these days!
And no i'm not a supporter before you all jump to conclusions...i'm anti war."if you are going to use the 48% approval rating, then it needs some context putting to it... so.... here is that context Trump’s job approval rating in the Harvard CAPS/Harris Poll survey is higher than what other recent polls have found. The president’s job approval rating is at 42.5 percent in the RealClearPolitics average. A recent Rasmussen Reports survey found Trump at 48 percent, but six other recent polls found him ranging between 38 percent and 44 percent. Gallup has registered some momentum for Trump recently. The president’s job approval in that survey bounced from 39 percent in March to 46 percent in late April, before falling back to 42 percent this month. | |||
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"He's what the American people wanted and their welcome to have him "Who said Trump has ""quite a stupefying level of ignorance that quite frankly makes him unfit to be president"? Boris Johnson, when he was mayor of London. | |||
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"He's what the American people wanted and their welcome to have him
Who said Trump has ""quite a stupefying level of ignorance that quite frankly makes him unfit to be president"?
Boris Johnson, when he was mayor of London.
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"TBH I wouldn't rate him as a great president or anything like. One thing you have to give him credit for though. Anyone who can wind the lefties up into such a frenzy can't be all bad. "the rage ever expanding....like the nappy wearing balloon (which is just sooooo funny and imagimative )... the leftist bedwetters are trying their best to make me like someone i don't like. Love their tears though | |||
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"He's what the American people wanted and their welcome to have him
Who said Trump has ""quite a stupefying level of ignorance that quite frankly makes him unfit to be president"?
Boris Johnson, when he was mayor of London.
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