FabSwingers.com forum: Patience for a deal

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Has anyone seen a UK government deliver a project on time?

Who thought government would be able to deliver Brexit? On time and under budget?

This is a big project, TM needs to chillax.

Give it a few years. It will happen, and we’ll be all glad for the time.

Artificial deadlines make cause panic!

Your thoughts?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Compare Brexit to the Olympic Games.

When London won the right to host in 2005, it knew the exact date in 2012 when everything had to be ready.

The infrastructure, the logistics, the people, the organisation.

A huge number of projects, a programme management office, a governance body.

All delivered on time (and from memory without a single fatality).

Seven years to deliver a complex project.

Brexit is orders of magnitude more complex.

The UK Government had 2.5 years to get it right, not seven.

The only option ever within its control was the no-deal exit.

Was that the baseline planning assumption?

"We're not planning for no deal because we're going to get a great deal," the Foreign Secretary Johnson told a committee of MPs when asked about it.

No planning whatsoever for the only thing that was within their control to deliver.

Totally absurd.

The assumption was it would be business as usual after Brexit.

How stupid was that?

Now the chickens have come home to roost.

Mismanagement on an epic scale.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Before the referendum they said it would take a minimum of 5 years to negotiate out. I have no idea why they triggered article 50 so early when they new they wouldn't be ready.

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

Nope not having it

Easiest deal ever

We hold all the cards

They'll be desperate for a deal

Do you think Boris/Gove/Farage would lie to us?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

So Boris Johnson says there is no need to plan for no deal because the Cabinet he is part is going to get a great deal.

And what does he do?

Votes against the only deal on the table, in the full knowledge that the government he was part of was totally unprepared for the alternative - no deal.

And some people think he is fit to lead the country?

He's not fit to run a whelk stall.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope not having it

Easiest deal ever

We hold all the cards

They'll be desperate for a deal

Do you think Boris/Gove/Farage would lie to us?

Yup, above is true, Brexit will probably go down in history as the UK'S biggest lie.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Before the referendum they said it would take a minimum of 5 years to negotiate out. I have no idea why they triggered article 50 so early when they new they wouldn't be ready."

It was the right that forced the issue as the new offshore tax laws coming in this year! Clue elite politicians and elites wanted their privileges back!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Before the referendum they said it would take a minimum of 5 years to negotiate out. I have no idea why they triggered article 50 so early when they new they wouldn't be ready.

It was the right that forced the issue as the new offshore tax laws coming in this year! Clue elite politicians and elites wanted their privileges back!"

Ah good point. But I mean if they're trying to keep up the facade that Brexit is for the people. What was their cover story for spunking their A50 wad so soon?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

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The conservatives triggered the referendum as well as Article 50. They then decided to own it 100%, with the minimum input from parliament and nothing from other parties, including the opposition, until the very last minute. It is simply an example of conservative party inability and failure. People were lied to throughout - you were that important to the conservatives. Despite many millionaires in the conservative party, many are unemployable and stupid. Millions voted for them assuming that many of their lies were true. If anyone still does, they need to examine themselves and their blind prejudice. The result was subject to illegal behaviour and influence, which should suggest that this result wasn't obtained for your benefit. Some millionaires will do very nicely and you'll be paying for that to happen. The conservative party of crooks, con-men and power hungry incompetents extended theor period in power but won't be capable of being viewed as anything other than z listers, on the realms of politics and government. It would have been tough with a plan but the public deserved the truth and a competent government

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

"Has anyone seen a UK government deliver a project on time?

Who thought government would be able to deliver Brexit? On time and under budget?

This is a big project, TM needs to chillax.

Give it a few years. It will happen, and we’ll be all glad for the time.

Artificial deadlines make cause panic!

Your thoughts?"

There was never a snowball in hell's chance that this bunch of shysters, conmen and chancers would get this sorted out on time. The moment the Tories failed to get a working majority in 2017, a clusterfuck was absolutely inevitable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Has anyone seen a UK government deliver a project on time?

Who thought government would be able to deliver Brexit? On time and under budget?

This is a big project, TM needs to chillax.

Give it a few years. It will happen, and we’ll be all glad for the time.

Artificial deadlines make cause panic!

Your thoughts?

As soon as the referendum result was in, the clusterfuck was inevitable. It’s literally a no win situation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whilst most people will agree that Brexit is an extension of a Tory party issue- the real nail in the Tory party( speaking as a business owner and Tory voter) was when Boris said ‘F;&@ business’.

Apart from JCB what business in their right mind is going to continue giving big donations to a party who treats business with such disrespect.

Short term ideology causing long term harm to a good party.

Agree with the thread- slow down, take our time, we will get there. Just get rid of the the Ideologies.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

because boris johnson views everything through one lens that is stamped: “The ambitions of Boris Johnson”.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Has anyone seen a UK government deliver a project on time?

Who thought government would be able to deliver Brexit? On time and under budget?

This is a big project, TM needs to chillax.

Give it a few years. It will happen, and we’ll be all glad for the time.

Artificial deadlines make cause panic!

Your thoughts?"
I agree,I did say 5to7 years before all done,I might have been optimistic lol.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"The conservatives triggered the referendum as well as Article 50. They then decided to own it 100%, with the minimum input from parliament and nothing from other parties, including the opposition, until the very last minute. It is simply an example of conservative party inability and failure. People were lied to throughout - you were that important to the conservatives. Despite many millionaires in the conservative party, many are unemployable and stupid. Millions voted for them assuming that many of their lies were true. If anyone still does, they need to examine themselves and their blind prejudice. The result was subject to illegal behaviour and influence, which should suggest that this result wasn't obtained for your benefit. Some millionaires will do very nicely and you'll be paying for that to happen. The conservative party of crooks, con-men and power hungry incompetents extended theor period in power but won't be capable of being viewed as anything other than z listers, on the realms of politics and government. It would have been tough with a plan but the public deserved the truth and a competent government "
You are very biased in everything you say and full of prejudice

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

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"The conservatives triggered the referendum as well as Article 50. They then decided to own it 100%, with the minimum input from parliament and nothing from other parties, including the opposition, until the very last minute. It is simply an example of conservative party inability and failure. People were lied to throughout - you were that important to the conservatives. Despite many millionaires in the conservative party, many are unemployable and stupid. Millions voted for them assuming that many of their lies were true. If anyone still does, they need to examine themselves and their blind prejudice. The result was subject to illegal behaviour and influence, which should suggest that this result wasn't obtained for your benefit. Some millionaires will do very nicely and you'll be paying for that to happen. The conservative party of crooks, con-men and power hungry incompetents extended theor period in power but won't be capable of being viewed as anything other than z listers, on the realms of politics and government. It would have been tough with a plan but the public deserved the truth and a competent government You are very biased in everything you say and full of prejudice"

If you have something - anything - that's positive yo add to the discussion, it's worthwhile being specific upon the points being discussed that you wish to critique. Otherwise it just appears like ad hominem attack. We are all biased and our perspectives differ, which is part of the value of intelligent debate.

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By *ab_SparklesWoman
over a year ago

sparkle Surprised

I read some where on fb that the EU did offer a great deal not May's. But apparently some civil servant's and cabinet ministers didn't like it. So may listened and went against it..

I watched the documentary thing Laura kunstreg on catch up. That was interesting.

And i get the feeling that i thibk the water pipe was fixed to leek, she appears to have used three days pretending about talks only so can request more time and delays.

Those at the top know what is going on....

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