FabSwingers.com forum: The Commons Indicative votes

By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

From the BBC:

And here are the results, ranked in order, with the least unpopular at the top.

J - Ken Clarke’s - Customs union

For: 264

Against: 272

Majority against: 8

M - Dame Margaret Beckett’s - Confirmatory public vote

For: 268

Against: 295

Majority against: 27

K - Labour’s - Customs union and alignment with single market

For: 237

Against: 307

Majority against: 70

D - Nick Boles’s - common market 2.0

For: 188

Against: 283

Majority against: 95

L - Joanna Cherry’s - Revocation to avoid no deal

For: 184

Against: 293

Majority against: 109

B - John Baron’s - No deal

For: 160

Against: 400

Majority against: 240

O - Marcus Fysh’s - Contingent preferential arrangements

For: 139

Against: 422

Majority against: 283

H - George Eustice’s - Efta and EEA

For: 65

Against: 377

Majority against: 312

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

Basically parliament is against everything so may's deal or no deal,parliament has failed again

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Basically parliament is against everything so may's deal or no deal,parliament has failed again"

Well Mays deal and No Deal both got pretty much no votes. So on least worst in voting terms, see above!

In reality it is going to be a People’s vote as the Tory’s need to stop being party political and start doing something for the country, but they just can’t grow a pair

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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

"Basically parliament is against everything so may's deal or no deal,parliament has failed again"

No. This is the initial indication of where people are. We've never known this before.

That's fine. It's finally a point to start from.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"Basically parliament is against everything so may's deal or no deal,parliament has failed again

No. This is the initial indication of where people are. We've never known this before.

That's fine. It's finally a point to start from."

....two years after we should have been there.

-Matt

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Basically parliament is against everything so may's deal or no deal,parliament has failed again

Well Mays deal and No Deal both got pretty much no votes. So on least worst in voting terms, see above!

In reality it is going to be a People’s vote as the Tory’s need to stop being party political and start doing something for the country, but they just can’t grow a pair

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Just wishful thinking on your part

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Basically parliament is against everything so may's deal or no deal,parliament has failed again

No. This is the initial indication of where people are. We've never known this before.

That's fine. It's finally a point to start from."
Nice to here something positive but I was pretty sure this would happen sadly

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Basically parliament is against everything so may's deal or no deal,parliament has failed again

Well Mays deal and No Deal both got pretty much no votes. So on least worst in voting terms, see above!

In reality it is going to be a People’s vote as the Tory’s need to stop being party political and start doing something for the country, but they just can’t grow a pair

Just wishful thinking on your part"

Possibly, but May and No Deal get the least votes...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Leave or Remain you have to admit this is an utter shit show, they don't know what they want but they know its a no to any option. It's like they're stuck in some dark void.

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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

"Leave or Remain you have to admit this is an utter shit show, they don't know what they want but they know its a no to any option. It's like they're stuck in some dark void. "

Just like the leave "strategy". Brexit means Brexit and Leave means Leave.

The Oxford English dictionary could be much, much shorter I guess

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Leave or Remain you have to admit this is an utter shit show, they don't know what they want but they know its a no to any option. It's like they're stuck in some dark void. "

Leave or remain? Only leavers voted for this. The rest of us voted not for this bullshit.

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By *laytimenowMan
over a year ago

Essex

"Leave or Remain you have to admit this is an utter shit show, they don't know what they want but they know its a no to any option. It's like they're stuck in some dark void. "

Of course they know what they want.

Now they are just trying to annoy everyone else into accepting staying in or partly connected with a deal,

Without having everyone on the hard right & the prominent leave side kicking off.

Once that is achieved everyone else will just be greatful the shit show is over.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

None of them want to take responsibility. They are supposed to be our representatives. If nothing else what this proves is how fat and lazy our MPs have become on the milk of the EU sow.

Probs best thing to do is Revoke Article 50. Disband Parliament and our government and just send a few Trouble making brexiteers over to Brussels every 5 years to keep them on their toes.

There it's sorted and we'll save Billions

They didn't put that one on the ballot paper did they LOL. EU law supercedes all UK law so whats the point anyway. We've just become a glorified talking shop.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Tragic that the conservatives have wasted £billions and 3 years to get to this point. How many hospitals built or waiting lists cut instead? It's good to see a more open insight into what they support now, rather than the tunnel vision view of May or no deal.

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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

"Leave or Remain you have to admit this is an utter shit show, they don't know what they want but they know its a no to any option. It's like they're stuck in some dark void.

Leave or remain? Only leavers voted for this. The rest of us voted not for this bullshit."

Quite

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

"Tragic that the conservatives have wasted £billions and 3 years to get to this point. How many hospitals built or waiting lists cut instead? It's good to see a more open insight into what they support now, rather than the tunnel vision view of May or no deal. "

Tragic end to such a bright revolution. People were so hopeful but yes - not parliaments fault for opposing, it's the governments.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"From the BBC:

And here are the results, ranked in order, with the least unpopular at the top.

J - Ken Clarke’s - Customs union

For: 264

Against: 272

Majority against: 8

M - Dame Margaret Beckett’s - Confirmatory public vote

For: 268

Against: 295

Majority against: 27

K - Labour’s - Customs union and alignment with single market

For: 237

Against: 307

Majority against: 70

D - Nick Boles’s - common market 2.0

For: 188

Against: 283

Majority against: 95

L - Joanna Cherry’s - Revocation to avoid no deal

For: 184

Against: 293

Majority against: 109

B - John Baron’s - No deal

For: 160

Against: 400

Majority against: 240

O - Marcus Fysh’s - Contingent preferential arrangements

For: 139

Against: 422

Majority against: 283

H - George Eustice’s - Efta and EEA

For: 65

Against: 377

Majority against: 312"

Based on percentages ken clarke’s J 49.2 vs. 50.7 per cent is clearly best of failure.

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Revoke Article 50, have a Tory Leadership election, have a General Election and consider it again in 10 years. This would be a way better solution than we currently have

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Revoke Article 50, have a Tory Leadership election, have a General Election and consider it again in 10 years. This would be a way better solution than we currently have

Wishful thinking, votes in house put that to bed.

We are going out, what we do when we go out is the question now

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

As far as I know May's deal isn't of the table yet...

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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

"Revoke Article 50, have a Tory Leadership election, have a General Election and consider it again in 10 years. This would be a way better solution than we currently have

Wishful thinking, votes in house put that to bed.

We are going out, what we do when we go out is the question now"

No. The second referendum option was also one of the strongest.

It could end up attached to any outcome, even May's transition plan to get enough votes.

No deal is the only loser.

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By *laytimenowMan
over a year ago

Essex

"Revoke Article 50, have a Tory Leadership election, have a General Election and consider it again in 10 years. This would be a way better solution than we currently have

Wishful thinking, votes in house put that to bed.

We are going out, what we do when we go out is the question now"

It is a choice leave with a deal or remain.

No deal will not be voted for in parliament

Regardless of Referendum or peoples wants.

Parliament has rejected leave .

The other 2 options remain

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish

"Revoke Article 50, have a Tory Leadership election, have a General Election and consider it again in 10 years. This would be a way better solution than we currently have

Wishful thinking, votes in house put that to bed.

We are going out, what we do when we go out is the question now

It is a choice leave with a deal or remain.

No deal will not be voted for in parliament

Regardless of Referendum or peoples wants.

Parliament has rejected leave .

The other 2 options remain"

....and if Europe runs out of patience?

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By *ab_SparklesWoman
over a year ago

sparkle Surprised

"Basically parliament is against everything so may's deal or no deal,parliament has failed again

No. This is the initial indication of where people are. We've never known this before.

That's fine. It's finally a point to start from."

That is what the lady with the posh voice black white outfit said. And why voting on them again on Monday for more confirmation.

I did notice maybot darted before the speaker was just about to finish..

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By *ab_SparklesWoman
over a year ago

sparkle Surprised

Oh and that Stephen barkley is one smug idiot only in the job months and I'm thinking can anyone in their just slash him over the speakers chair he gives me a headache..

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

why do peeps still think no deal or mays deal are of the table from what i saw not one vote won last night parliment voted against everything. they wanted there say and still cant agree on anything.and they run yhe countey lol comedy gold you couldnt write this stuff

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's time the PM set the wheels in motion for a general election so that we can get rid of the lot of them and hopefully replace them all with people who can actually deliver.

Unfortunately though, such capable people are unlikely to be interested in standing for office

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Fair do's to the MPs for trying.

May didn't.

She and her inner circle cooked up a plan without consulting MPs.

She cannot her own party to support it, never mind Parliament.

A wiser leader would have recognised the weakness of their position and sought consensus.

Not this one.

At least the MPs did what May has not and tried to find a way forward.

Unfortunately, the archaic voting practice of the Houses of Parliament does not allow MPs to rank options in order of preference.

If it did, we would arrive at one that commanded majority support.

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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

"Fair do's to the MPs for trying.

May didn't.

She and her inner circle cooked up a plan without consulting MPs.

She cannot her own party to support it, never mind Parliament.

A wiser leader would have recognised the weakness of their position and sought consensus.

Not this one.

At least the MPs did what May has not and tried to find a way forward.

Unfortunately, the archaic voting practice of the Houses of Parliament does not allow MPs to rank options in order of preference.

If it did, we would arrive at one that commanded majority support.

The archaic voting practises can be changed.

They were for this vote and cod be again for Monday.

However, ranked voting does not allow space for compromise. That is what will happen over the weekend. The talking that should have started three years ago.

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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

"Fair do's to the MPs for trying.

May didn't.

She and her inner circle cooked up a plan without consulting MPs.

She cannot her own party to support it, never mind Parliament.

A wiser leader would have recognised the weakness of their position and sought consensus.

Not this one.

At least the MPs did what May has not and tried to find a way forward.

Unfortunately, the archaic voting practice of the Houses of Parliament does not allow MPs to rank options in order of preference.

If it did, we would arrive at one that commanded majority support.

The archaic voting practises can be changed.

They were for this vote and cod be again for Monday.

However, ranked voting does not allow space for compromise. That is what will happen over the weekend. The talking that should have started three years ago."

Cod? This is the real reason why Huawei shouldn't be banned. Terrible phone autocorrect and keyboard sensitivity

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cod? This is the real reason why Huawei shouldn't be banned. Terrible phone autocorrect and keyboard sensitivity

Ha, I have exactly the same issue

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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

Cod? This is the real reason why Huawei shouldn't be banned. Terrible phone autocorrect and keyboard sensitivity

Ha, I have exactly the same issue

SHOULD be banned FFS!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cod? This is the real reason why Huawei shouldn't be banned. Terrible phone autocorrect and keyboard sensitivity

Ha, I have exactly the same issue

SHOULD be banned FFS!"

Shall we have a vote

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