FabSwingers.com forum: The options

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

So tomorrow the options for what direction we might head in happen.

Personally, im a pragmatist I think the best deal we can get is common market 2.0.

It pacifies both leave and remain, and keeps the economy and northern ireland not having a backstop.

I accept that more people voted for brexit, but you cannot discount the many who want to remain.

So happy medium for all,

Your thoughts?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I think the wise move is to revoke Article 50, as there is insufficient time to conclude a deal or negotiate a new one with the EU. Whilst compromise is a great thing, sometimes everybody getting a little bit of what they may not loathe, but don't particularly like, isn't the ideal solution. That could leave all with ill-will.

The conservative party needs to learn a lot from this, to prevent such costly mistakes being forced on to the country. Spending 3 years and £billions of public money that would have been better spent on hospitals etc, trying to make their minds up about what type of Brexit they wanted, is unforgivable. Every citizen jas been mugged.

Cancelling Article 50 can get the full venting of public displeasure out immediately and the country can leave that Brexit attempt behind it. The government can then create a plan for the mess cleaning up, including if and when it might be re-submitted.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

It makes no difference what parliament come up with because this is a foreign policy issue and as such May and her Ministers or The Crown get to make the decisions. All parliament can do is to refuse to fund her choices or alter British law if it is required.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The thing about this is that it isn't "the deal".

The proposal before Parliament is simply the exit agreement - the legal terms upon which the UK ceases to a member of the EU.

The political declaration sets out aspirations for a future relationship, but it's not a legal document.

The Conservative Party cannot even agree how to exit the EU.

(Labour is content with the exit agreement, but would like the political declaration to point towards a customs union instead.)

Negotiations about a trade trade deal etc will be 100 x more difficult than the exit agreement.

It does not augur well.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"The thing about this is that it isn't "the deal".

The proposal before Parliament is simply the exit agreement - the legal terms upon which the UK ceases to a member of the EU.

The political declaration sets out aspirations for a future relationship, but it's not a legal document.

The Conservative Party cannot even agree how to exit the EU.

(Labour is content with the exit agreement, but would like the political declaration to point towards a customs union instead.)

Negotiations about a trade trade deal etc will be 100 x more difficult than the exit agreement.

It does not augur well.

You are of course correct.

The inability of the U.K. to negotiate its withdrawal from the E.U. ought to be indicative that the statement “we hold all the cards,” was manifestly wrong. As you rightly say, the withdrawal agreement should have been the easiest part - the future trade agreement will be much more difficult.

The country cannot move forwards with such an inept attitude seeking future trade deals and flouncing off saying “no deal, no problem” if It doesn’t go our way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So tomorrow the options for what direction we might head in happen.

Personally, im a pragmatist I think the best deal we can get is common market 2.0.

It pacifies both leave and remain, and keeps the economy and northern ireland not having a backstop.

I accept that more people voted for brexit, but you cannot discount the many who want to remain.

So happy medium for all,

Your thoughts?"

Why would we want to pacify leave and remain instead of doing what's best for the country?

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

I don't think it matter what is voted through today. It matters who is in government and who is willing to head whatever parliament (thinks it) supports.

The EU will only negotiate terms with government in power. They will only speak to the PM or counterpart so if whatever is voted on doesn't have a leader willing to support it, there is little point in it.

Again too, it will need to have a party base... whatever parliament comes up with, if any leader or party doesn't think their voters will accept it, why would they endorse or mandate the plan.

It has several sticking points.

Best thing would be 3 peoples votes: Whatever parliament arrived at v's Mays plan. Then No-deal v's remain. Then the winner of each in a final showdown. Parliament would have to honour that decision.

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