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"I am sure a substantial number have signed in the same way that a slightly less substantial number have signed the "leave with no deal on 29th March" petition....which has not been touted as much by the press. To sign either, all you need is a postcode and name with an email address. I may sign on behalf of my neighbour, her dog and the gerbil." Please try to address the OP’s question rather than being so fatuous. I voted as soon as I was able to get onto the website because I want my right to express my belief in an open honest and integrated society which the knuckle draggers and heartless have stolen from me. How do you like them beans fella! | |||
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"I signed it. It ups the stakes. " That is good you have and you are right it does up it too  | |||
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"Wonder what will happen when it gets to 17.3 million ?" you expect something to happen. We had a vote in 2016. Delusions of grandeur still exist. You can always, dream on | |||
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"I signed it. It ups the stakes. That is good you have and you are right it does up it too "ups what. I hardly think so. You can cry as much as you like | |||
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"I am sure a substantial number have signed in the same way that a slightly less substantial number have signed the "leave with no deal on 29th March" petition....which has not been touted as much by the press. To sign either, all you need is a postcode and name with an email address. I may sign on behalf of my neighbour, her dog and the gerbil." You would need different emails for everyone. | |||
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"I am sure a substantial number have signed in the same way that a slightly less substantial number have signed the "leave with no deal on 29th March" petition....which has not been touted as much by the press. To sign either, all you need is a postcode and name with an email address. I may sign on behalf of my neighbour, her dog and the gerbil. Please try to address the OP’s question rather than being so fatuous. I voted as soon as I was able to get onto the website because I want my right to express my belief in an open honest and integrated society which the knuckle draggers and heartless have stolen from me. How do you like them beans fella!" "Knuckle draggers and heartless"....mmmm and you said what about being fatuous??? The point is that many deem petitions that are open to so much abuse at this late stage, simply the last gasps of the complacent who assumed in 2016 that Britain was going to Remain. For such reasons I will not sign either petition. | |||
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"marches and petitions do nothing.milliin peeps march against war we bomb the fuck outa middle east. wasnt there a similar petition after article 50 had been set in motion did they take any notice of that.all that petition site is for is to make ppl think they have a voice.there not listening and never do. i fine with leaving also fine with remaining but they really need to do one or the other now.but no doubt they will keep acting like nusery children for a few more months yet.i expect nothing more of them.hate to say this but s.n.p are about the only ones with any credibility left.labour are as all over the place as the tories" For someone who hates politics and defines it as irelevant you post a lot in the political forum. .Are you trying to persuade us apathy is a better way.??  | |||
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"I have also done it have you? No doubt another 100000 have done it since I posted this, whats your view, is this kind of another peoples vote of how they feel about brexit?" So sad realy as it is a waste of time | |||
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"I have also done it have you? No doubt another 100000 have done it since I posted this, whats your view, is this kind of another peoples vote of how they feel about brexit?" Bots from Russia and North Korea have also signed the petition, so much for British democracy.  | |||
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"I have also done it have you? No doubt another 100000 have done it since I posted this, whats your view, is this kind of another peoples vote of how they feel about brexit? Bots from Russia and North Korea have also signed the petition, so much for British democracy. "If that is so proves it is right to leave if they want us to stay lol. | |||
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"I have also done it have you? No doubt another 100000 have done it since I posted this, whats your view, is this kind of another peoples vote of how they feel about brexit? Bots from Russia and North Korea have also signed the petition, so much for British democracy. If that is so proves it is right to leave if they want us to stay lol."They don’t. Russia want us to leave. | |||
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"I have also done it have you? No doubt another 100000 have done it since I posted this, whats your view, is this kind of another peoples vote of how they feel about brexit? Bots from Russia and North Korea have also signed the petition, so much for British democracy. "Actually you can trace where the votes are cast. The system also has a verification system which overcomes "bots" from being able to influence. Suggest you look at the data! | |||
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"marches and petitions do nothing.milliin peeps march against war we bomb the fuck outa middle east. wasnt there a similar petition after article 50 had been set in motion did they take any notice of that.all that petition site is for is to make ppl think they have a voice.there not listening and never do. i fine with leaving also fine with remaining but they really need to do one or the other now.but no doubt they will keep acting like nusery children for a few more months yet.i expect nothing more of them.hate to say this but s.n.p are about the only ones with any credibility left.labour are as all over the place as the tories For someone who hates politics and defines it as irelevant you post a lot in the political forum. .Are you trying to persuade us apathy is a better way.?? "not at all just entertains me how gullible most peeps are that they really belive they have a say.if the gov want to leave they will if they dont want to leave they wont. nothing a leaver or remainer has to say matters one jot.like i said the amount of experts on here could form a new goverment lol.and its the internet i can post on what forum i like about anything i want to.its great having all sorts of opinions or are only peeps who vote allowed to comment. | |||
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"marches and petitions do nothing.milliin peeps march against war we bomb the fuck outa middle east. wasnt there a similar petition after article 50 had been set in motion did they take any notice of that.all that petition site is for is to make ppl think they have a voice.there not listening and never do. i fine with leaving also fine with remaining but they really need to do one or the other now.but no doubt they will keep acting like nusery children for a few more months yet.i expect nothing more of them.hate to say this but s.n.p are about the only ones with any credibility left.labour are as all over the place as the tories For someone who hates politics and defines it as irelevant you post a lot in the political forum. .Are you trying to persuade us apathy is a better way.??
not at all just entertains me how gullible most peeps are that they really belive they have a say.if the gov want to leave they will if they dont want to leave they wont. nothing a leaver or remainer has to say matters one jot.like i said the amount of experts on here could form a new goverment lol.and its the internet i can post on what forum i like about anything i want to.its great having all sorts of opinions or are only peeps who vote allowed to comment. "“if the gov want to leave they will if they dont want to leave they wont.” Look at the way the EU referendum was set out - the pathetically low threshold of 40% to make a constitutional change. Typically it would be 60+% in many countries. The Scotland devolution referendum in 1979 had the same threshold infact, and the act was repealed! Now the argument from this government is that it’s a clear will of the people. My arse it is. It’s a minority of the electorate and just because nobody seems to be talking about that fact, doesn’t make any less true. The bill states no foreign donors - yet they allow Rupert Murdoch to campaign all he likes. The Tories love to deregulate and privatise. Brexit, especially under the conditions met with a ‘no deal’ does exactly that. They are selling us out for personal gain. | |||
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"Well that's says it all you wont accept democracy I'd you love Europe so much no one's asking u to stay" I'm staying ...Its my country not yours...  | |||
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"Well that's says it all you wont accept democracy I'd you love Europe so much no one's asking u to stay" I'd like him to stay. So you are wrong. | |||
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"Well that's says it all you wont accept democracy I'd you love Europe so much no one's asking u to stay" You don't actually know what democracy is do you..? | |||
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"Accept vote. Never!! "I dunno, that was a pretty convincing argument he made there. | |||
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"Well that's says it all you wont accept democracy I'd you love Europe so much no one's asking u to stay" The UK is in Europe and it would take a tectonic plate shift not a referendum to change that! | |||
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"It is difficult to see why anyone would pay any attention to such a petition. It is not like a petition where you go knocking doors to obtain opinions. In the case of this petition you are just entering a few details and hitting a send button. According to the press today one politician voted circa 8000 times. It is too easy to create these petitions for them to have any validity. If you want to organise a petition , it needs to be done the old fashioned way with paper and pen. " What press? Did they set up 8000 email addresses. Stop believing any old shit you read. | |||
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"It is difficult to see why anyone would pay any attention to such a petition. It is not like a petition where you go knocking doors to obtain opinions. In the case of this petition you are just entering a few details and hitting a send button. According to the press today one politician voted circa 8000 times. It is too easy to create these petitions for them to have any validity. If you want to organise a petition , it needs to be done the old fashioned way with paper and pen. " But Pat, it's 2019.. Ironically you didn't send that in by snail mail.. | |||
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"I have also done it have you? No doubt another 100000 have done it since I posted this, whats your view, is this kind of another peoples vote of how they feel about brexit? Bots from Russia and North Korea have also signed the petition, so much for British democracy. "Are you talking about the referendum? Oh wait. | |||
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"People voted to leave over 17 million. Remain like child who doesn't get there own way. Pathetic" And you were allowed to vote! No wonder this country is in such a state. | |||
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"It is difficult to see why anyone would pay any attention to such a petition. It is not like a petition where you go knocking doors to obtain opinions. In the case of this petition you are just entering a few details and hitting a send button. According to the press today one politician voted circa 8000 times. It is too easy to create these petitions for them to have any validity. If you want to organise a petition , it needs to be done the old fashioned way with paper and pen. What press? Did they set up 8000 email addresses. Stop believing any old shit you read." It’s not hard to set up a bot to do this . Joebloggs1@, joebloggs2@ etc.... all the way to joebloggs8000@ ... it takes a few minutes . | |||
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"Oh another childish dig Country in mess. Because you won't accept a decision" What’s people’s acceptance got to do with the success of it? | |||
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"It is difficult to see why anyone would pay any attention to such a petition. It is not like a petition where you go knocking doors to obtain opinions. In the case of this petition you are just entering a few details and hitting a send button. According to the press today one politician voted circa 8000 times. It is too easy to create these petitions for them to have any validity. If you want to organise a petition , it needs to be done the old fashioned way with paper and pen. What press? Did they set up 8000 email addresses. Stop believing any old shit you read. It’s not hard to set up a bot to do this . Joebloggs1@, joebloggs2@ etc.... all the way to joebloggs8000@ ... it takes a few minutes ." Are you meaning the Leaver one?  | |||
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"It is difficult to see why anyone would pay any attention to such a petition. It is not like a petition where you go knocking doors to obtain opinions. In the case of this petition you are just entering a few details and hitting a send button. According to the press today one politician voted circa 8000 times. It is too easy to create these petitions for them to have any validity. If you want to organise a petition , it needs to be done the old fashioned way with paper and pen. What press? Did they set up 8000 email addresses. Stop believing any old shit you read. It’s not hard to set up a bot to do this . Joebloggs1@, joebloggs2@ etc.... all the way to joebloggs8000@ ... it takes a few minutes ." There's also a further step to verify the link that's emailed. Go Google it. The consensus was the site is not easy to game. | |||
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"It is difficult to see why anyone would pay any attention to such a petition. It is not like a petition where you go knocking doors to obtain opinions. In the case of this petition you are just entering a few details and hitting a send button. According to the press today one politician voted circa 8000 times. It is too easy to create these petitions for them to have any validity. If you want to organise a petition , it needs to be done the old fashioned way with paper and pen. What press? Did they set up 8000 email addresses. Stop believing any old shit you read. It’s not hard to set up a bot to do this . Joebloggs1@, joebloggs2@ etc.... all the way to joebloggs8000@ ... it takes a few minutes . Are you meaning the Leaver one? "Any online petition that requires an email address confirmation | |||
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"People voted to leave over 17 million. Remain like child who doesn't get there own way. Pathetic" That's not the logic of a second referendum. If I make a decision based on a certain set of information and that information turns out to be incorrect then I would like to make a different decision rather than stick with my original decision simply because it was my original decision. What's your view on that? Is that childish? | |||
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"Success how do u judge that. Or is money all that's matters.!!! It was a choice of who do u want to be governed by he or Europe" If you look to the right of the text box there is a little tab that says ‘Reply+quote’ - click it and you’ll be able to quote the comment you’re responding to. You said - “Country in mess. Because you won't accept a decision" So I asked what has people’s acceptance got to do with us making a success (or not) of it? | |||
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"Success how do u judge that. Or is money all that's matters.!!! It was a choice of who do u want to be governed by he or Europe" I wonder what the typo is there? It was a choice of who do u want to be governed by "ME" or Europe I rather think that this is the general point of Brexit. Obey "me", the old man who is absolutely certain that the good old days were better and that their "common sense" can provide a simple answer to a complex problem. | |||
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"Success how do u judge that. Or is money all that's matters.!!! It was a choice of who do u want to be governed by he or Europe" We’ve never been governed by Europe. But for arguments sake, let’s say we were. Why is that a bad thing? | |||
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"Yes childish. Si if u don't agree with a general election What don't we have another vote as info always wrong at general election" Do we have another general election. Ta daaa | |||
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"It is difficult to see why anyone would pay any attention to such a petition. It is not like a petition where you go knocking doors to obtain opinions. In the case of this petition you are just entering a few details and hitting a send button. According to the press today one politician voted circa 8000 times. It is too easy to create these petitions for them to have any validity. If you want to organise a petition , it needs to be done the old fashioned way with paper and pen. What press? Did they set up 8000 email addresses. Stop believing any old shit you read. It’s not hard to set up a bot to do this . Joebloggs1@, joebloggs2@ etc.... all the way to joebloggs8000@ ... it takes a few minutes ." A bot would need to be written to fill in the form. It would need to use many different random postcodes. It would then need to confirm the emails. It would need to use unique IP address for each vote. You think setting up all of this can be done in a few minutes? | |||
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"Of course it's a bad thing we fought 2 wars to rule ourselves Tell families of people who defended our country that I'm British Are you not proud to be born in Britain" So you want me to tell families of people who defended our country that you’re British? Maybe take a moment to re read your posts to get across your point a little better. No I’m not proud that, by chance, I was born in Britain. What a ridiculous thing to be proud of. But for real, if we were, which were categorically not, ruled by “Europe”, what would be wrong with that? Like an actual reason why it would be bad. | |||
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"Of course it's a bad thing we fought 2 wars to rule ourselves Tell families of people who defended our country that I'm British Are you not proud to be born in Britain" You didn't fight. Don't assume to talk for those who did. | |||
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"It is difficult to see why anyone would pay any attention to such a petition. It is not like a petition where you go knocking doors to obtain opinions. In the case of this petition you are just entering a few details and hitting a send button. According to the press today one politician voted circa 8000 times. It is too easy to create these petitions for them to have any validity. If you want to organise a petition , it needs to be done the old fashioned way with paper and pen. What press? Did they set up 8000 email addresses. Stop believing any old shit you read. It’s not hard to set up a bot to do this . Joebloggs1@, joebloggs2@ etc.... all the way to joebloggs8000@ ... it takes a few minutes . A bot would need to be written to fill in the form. It would need to use many different random postcodes. It would then need to confirm the emails. It would need to use unique IP address for each vote. You think setting up all of this can be done in a few minutes? " His mate down the pub told him | |||
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"They don't have our best interests at heart"
And Westminster has the interests of the people who, say for example, live in Nottingham?
You elect an MEP through democratic elections. That individual represents you in Europe. Do they have you interests less at heart than your MP?
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"They don't have our best interests at heart" Okay. So that could be true. But they have a lot of positives in the regard. Workers rights, environmental protection, food safety standards etc etc. The Tories for example, have them, and their rich mates at the top of their agenda. Meanwhile fucking the rest of us. And that will get 10 times worse when the E.U. aren’t there to give us a layer of protection against them. So Westminster absolutely doesn’t have our best interests at heart either. | |||
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"It is difficult to see why anyone would pay any attention to such a petition. It is not like a petition where you go knocking doors to obtain opinions. In the case of this petition you are just entering a few details and hitting a send button. According to the press today one politician voted circa 8000 times. It is too easy to create these petitions for them to have any validity. If you want to organise a petition , it needs to be done the old fashioned way with paper and pen. What press? Did they set up 8000 email addresses. Stop believing any old shit you read. It’s not hard to set up a bot to do this . Joebloggs1@, joebloggs2@ etc.... all the way to joebloggs8000@ ... it takes a few minutes . A bot would need to be written to fill in the form. It would need to use many different random postcodes. It would then need to confirm the emails. It would need to use unique IP address for each vote. You think setting up all of this can be done in a few minutes? His mate down the pub told him" Who is his mate in the pub? Farage ? Has he been explaining how the Russians helped him to win the referendum ? | |||
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"Sad people like you make comments like that people fought to keep people like u free Therefore we have free country and yes that give u right of free speech but not to disrespect their scarfice Leaving this thread " I think you need to go and have a read about how the EU came about. Freedom is very much at its core. | |||
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"Sad people like you make comments like that people fought to keep people like u free Therefore we have free country and yes that give u right of free speech but not to disrespect their scarfice Leaving this thread " You could say they fought to keep us free from oppression of the far right. And that we now vote for people like UKIP and to leave our friends in Europe and to isolate ourselves. That is more disrespectful to people who fought and died. The idea that we are governed by the EU is simply false. | |||
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"Of course it's a bad thing we fought 2 wars to rule ourselves Tell families of people who defended our country that I'm British Are you not proud to be born in Britain You didn't fight. Don't assume to talk for those who did."
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"It is difficult to see why anyone would pay any attention to such a petition. It is not like a petition where you go knocking doors to obtain opinions. In the case of this petition you are just entering a few details and hitting a send button. According to the press today one politician voted circa 8000 times. It is too easy to create these petitions for them to have any validity. If you want to organise a petition , it needs to be done the old fashioned way with paper and pen. What press? Did they set up 8000 email addresses. Stop believing any old shit you read." As well as needing 8000 email addresses the system also logs and checks the IP address and automatically discards signatures from IP addresses with suspicious activity. A bot that can sign up to email addresses, then go to the system. sign the petition, check the email again and click on the link to confirm is very unlikely to exist in the opinion of IT experts, it's just too complicated. Whilst people may have signed a few times, much more than that and it becomes a long drawn out process... | |||
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"Well that's says it all you wont accept democracy I'd you love Europe so much no one's asking u to stay" I'm asking them to stay. | |||
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"Of course it's a bad thing we fought 2 wars to rule ourselves Tell families of people who defended our country that I'm British Are you not proud to be born in Britain" My family fought in both world wars, i voted and back remain absolutely and my late Grandfather, who nearly died fighting in WWI, was absolutely in support of us joining EEC. When the generation that actually fought in the two world wars had their say in 1975 they voted overwhelmingly by 67% in favour of remain. It's those, like you, who did nothing in either war that seem to lay some claim to their bravery and courage for your cause when the evidence of their votes in 1975 would suggest that they would be turning in their graves with disgust at you and what you're trying to force on both their country and their European allies. | |||
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"Of course it's a bad thing we fought 2 wars to rule ourselves Tell families of people who defended our country that I'm British Are you not proud to be born in Britain My family fought in both world wars, i voted and back remain absolutely and my late Grandfather, who nearly died fighting in WWI, was absolutely in support of us joining EEC. When the generation that actually fought in the two world wars had their say in 1975 they voted overwhelmingly by 67% in favour of remain. It's those, like you, who did nothing in either war that seem to lay some claim to their bravery and courage for your cause when the evidence of their votes in 1975 would suggest that they would be turning in their graves with disgust at you and what you're trying to force on both their country and their European allies. " Actually, the evidence suggests that those who voted to remain in 1975, voted to leave in 2016. | |||
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"Of course it's a bad thing we fought 2 wars to rule ourselves Tell families of people who defended our country that I'm British Are you not proud to be born in Britain My family fought in both world wars, i voted and back remain absolutely and my late Grandfather, who nearly died fighting in WWI, was absolutely in support of us joining EEC. When the generation that actually fought in the two world wars had their say in 1975 they voted overwhelmingly by 67% in favour of remain. It's those, like you, who did nothing in either war that seem to lay some claim to their bravery and courage for your cause when the evidence of their votes in 1975 would suggest that they would be turning in their graves with disgust at you and what you're trying to force on both their country and their European allies. " I agree absolutely with this and I really hate all these tinfoil medal wearing flag waving pub bores who bang on about our heroic lads when they havent even been in national service let alone the forces! My ex’s dad was a navigator in Lancasters during the war and lost many friends but he never banged on about it! He went on to build up his own very successful business which sold to customers all over europe and scandinavia and he was always pro the eu. He found the regulations a bit annoying at times but he knew that was the price of doing business unlike the short selling cowboys who want us to leave the EU. | |||
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"Of course it's a bad thing we fought 2 wars to rule ourselves Tell families of people who defended our country that I'm British Are you not proud to be born in Britain My family fought in both world wars, i voted and back remain absolutely and my late Grandfather, who nearly died fighting in WWI, was absolutely in support of us joining EEC. When the generation that actually fought in the two world wars had their say in 1975 they voted overwhelmingly by 67% in favour of remain. It's those, like you, who did nothing in either war that seem to lay some claim to their bravery and courage for your cause when the evidence of their votes in 1975 would suggest that they would be turning in their graves with disgust at you and what you're trying to force on both their country and their European allies. I agree absolutely with this and I really hate all these tinfoil medal wearing flag waving pub bores who bang on about our heroic lads when they havent even been in national service let alone the forces! My ex’s dad was a navigator in Lancasters during the war and lost many friends but he never banged on about it! He went on to build up his own very successful business which sold to customers all over europe and scandinavia and he was always pro the eu. He found the regulations a bit annoying at times but he knew that was the price of doing business unlike the short selling cowboys who want us to leave the EU. " I agree with both of you my grandfather was a big fan of the EU and he was a Dunkirk and D day and he saw the eu as an end to the wars that destroyed his family . | |||
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"Of course it's a bad thing we fought 2 wars to rule ourselves Tell families of people who defended our country that I'm British Are you not proud to be born in Britain My family fought in both world wars, i voted and back remain absolutely and my late Grandfather, who nearly died fighting in WWI, was absolutely in support of us joining EEC. When the generation that actually fought in the two world wars had their say in 1975 they voted overwhelmingly by 67% in favour of remain. It's those, like you, who did nothing in either war that seem to lay some claim to their bravery and courage for your cause when the evidence of their votes in 1975 would suggest that they would be turning in their graves with disgust at you and what you're trying to force on both their country and their European allies. I agree absolutely with this and I really hate all these tinfoil medal wearing flag waving pub bores who bang on about our heroic lads when they havent even been in national service let alone the forces! My ex’s dad was a navigator in Lancasters during the war and lost many friends but he never banged on about it! He went on to build up his own very successful business which sold to customers all over europe and scandinavia and he was always pro the eu. He found the regulations a bit annoying at times but he knew that was the price of doing business unlike the short selling cowboys who want us to leave the EU. I agree with both of you my grandfather was a big fan of the EU and he was a Dunkirk and D day and he saw the eu as an end to the wars that destroyed his family . " Yes and so did churchill see eu too | |||
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"Of course it's a bad thing we fought 2 wars to rule ourselves Tell families of people who defended our country that I'm British Are you not proud to be born in Britain My family fought in both world wars, i voted and back remain absolutely and my late Grandfather, who nearly died fighting in WWI, was absolutely in support of us joining EEC. When the generation that actually fought in the two world wars had their say in 1975 they voted overwhelmingly by 67% in favour of remain. It's those, like you, who did nothing in either war that seem to lay some claim to their bravery and courage for your cause when the evidence of their votes in 1975 would suggest that they would be turning in their graves with disgust at you and what you're trying to force on both their country and their European allies. Actually, the evidence suggests that those who voted to remain in 1975, voted to leave in 2016." Source of said evidence? | |||
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"Of course it's a bad thing we fought 2 wars to rule ourselves Tell families of people who defended our country that I'm British Are you not proud to be born in Britain My family fought in both world wars, i voted and back remain absolutely and my late Grandfather, who nearly died fighting in WWI, was absolutely in support of us joining EEC. When the generation that actually fought in the two world wars had their say in 1975 they voted overwhelmingly by 67% in favour of remain. It's those, like you, who did nothing in either war that seem to lay some claim to their bravery and courage for your cause when the evidence of their votes in 1975 would suggest that they would be turning in their graves with disgust at you and what you're trying to force on both their country and their European allies. Actually, the evidence suggests that those who voted to remain in 1975, voted to leave in 2016. Source of said evidence? "Ipsos and LSE reports on the two referendum demographics. In 1975 62% of 18-29 year olds voted remain, 72% of 30-44 year olds. In 2016 (40 years later), 61% if 55-64, 66% of 65-74, and 63% of over 75s voted to leave. | |||
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"Of course it's a bad thing we fought 2 wars to rule ourselves Tell families of people who defended our country that I'm British Are you not proud to be born in Britain My family fought in both world wars, i voted and back remain absolutely and my late Grandfather, who nearly died fighting in WWI, was absolutely in support of us joining EEC. When the generation that actually fought in the two world wars had their say in 1975 they voted overwhelmingly by 67% in favour of remain. It's those, like you, who did nothing in either war that seem to lay some claim to their bravery and courage for your cause when the evidence of their votes in 1975 would suggest that they would be turning in their graves with disgust at you and what you're trying to force on both their country and their European allies. Actually, the evidence suggests that those who voted to remain in 1975, voted to leave in 2016. Source of said evidence?
Ipsos and LSE reports on the two referendum demographics.
In 1975 62% of 18-29 year olds voted remain, 72% of 30-44 year olds.
In 2016 (40 years later), 61% if 55-64, 66% of 65-74, and 63% of over 75s voted to leave. "Which actually suggests that in fact only about 15 to 20% flipped from their original choice of join, to leave. The majority of those that voted in originally, stayed with their choice. | |||
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"Of course it's a bad thing we fought 2 wars to rule ourselves Tell families of people who defended our country that I'm British Are you not proud to be born in Britain My family fought in both world wars, i voted and back remain absolutely and my late Grandfather, who nearly died fighting in WWI, was absolutely in support of us joining EEC. When the generation that actually fought in the two world wars had their say in 1975 they voted overwhelmingly by 67% in favour of remain. It's those, like you, who did nothing in either war that seem to lay some claim to their bravery and courage for your cause when the evidence of their votes in 1975 would suggest that they would be turning in their graves with disgust at you and what you're trying to force on both their country and their European allies. Actually, the evidence suggests that those who voted to remain in 1975, voted to leave in 2016. Source of said evidence?
Ipsos and LSE reports on the two referendum demographics.
In 1975 62% of 18-29 year olds voted remain, 72% of 30-44 year olds.
In 2016 (40 years later), 61% if 55-64, 66% of 65-74, and 63% of over 75s voted to leave.
Which actually suggests that in fact only about 15 to 20% flipped from their original choice of join, to leave. The majority of those that voted in originally, stayed with their choice."Good grief....it wasn't a referendum to join in 1975....the decision to join was swung by the votes of about 8% of MPs. "only 15 to 20% changed from remain to leave"....it was actually almost 40%.(24 people out of every 62 who voted to remain in 1975, voted to leave in 2016). | |||
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"Of course it's a bad thing we fought 2 wars to rule ourselves Tell families of people who defended our country that I'm British Are you not proud to be born in Britain My family fought in both world wars, i voted and back remain absolutely and my late Grandfather, who nearly died fighting in WWI, was absolutely in support of us joining EEC. When the generation that actually fought in the two world wars had their say in 1975 they voted overwhelmingly by 67% in favour of remain. It's those, like you, who did nothing in either war that seem to lay some claim to their bravery and courage for your cause when the evidence of their votes in 1975 would suggest that they would be turning in their graves with disgust at you and what you're trying to force on both their country and their European allies. Actually, the evidence suggests that those who voted to remain in 1975, voted to leave in 2016. Source of said evidence?
Ipsos and LSE reports on the two referendum demographics.
In 1975 62% of 18-29 year olds voted remain, 72% of 30-44 year olds.
In 2016 (40 years later), 61% if 55-64, 66% of 65-74, and 63% of over 75s voted to leave.
Which actually suggests that in fact only about 15 to 20% flipped from their original choice of join, to leave. The majority of those that voted in originally, stayed with their choice.
Good grief....it wasn't a referendum to join in 1975....the decision to join was swung by the votes of about 8% of MPs.
"only 15 to 20% changed from remain to leave"....it was actually almost 40%.(24 people out of every 62 who voted to remain in 1975, voted to leave in 2016).
"I was actually meaning 15-20% of the total that swung, not of the remain subset. But counting your way is just the same. However it is also the same as saying that 61% of those that voted in favour of the EU originally, still wanted to remain in the EU. Which is the opposite of the original statement: "... the evidence suggests that those who voted to remain in 1975, voted to leave in 2016." which was phrased to give the false impression that a majority regretted their old choice. | |||
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"Of course it's a bad thing we fought 2 wars to rule ourselves Tell families of people who defended our country that I'm British Are you not proud to be born in Britain My family fought in both world wars, i voted and back remain absolutely and my late Grandfather, who nearly died fighting in WWI, was absolutely in support of us joining EEC. When the generation that actually fought in the two world wars had their say in 1975 they voted overwhelmingly by 67% in favour of remain. It's those, like you, who did nothing in either war that seem to lay some claim to their bravery and courage for your cause when the evidence of their votes in 1975 would suggest that they would be turning in their graves with disgust at you and what you're trying to force on both their country and their European allies. Actually, the evidence suggests that those who voted to remain in 1975, voted to leave in 2016. Source of said evidence?
Ipsos and LSE reports on the two referendum demographics.
In 1975 62% of 18-29 year olds voted remain, 72% of 30-44 year olds.
In 2016 (40 years later), 61% if 55-64, 66% of 65-74, and 63% of over 75s voted to leave.
Which actually suggests that in fact only about 15 to 20% flipped from their original choice of join, to leave. The majority of those that voted in originally, stayed with their choice.
Good grief....it wasn't a referendum to join in 1975....the decision to join was swung by the votes of about 8% of MPs.
"only 15 to 20% changed from remain to leave"....it was actually almost 40%.(24 people out of every 62 who voted to remain in 1975, voted to leave in 2016).
I was actually meaning 15-20% of the total that swung, not of the remain subset. But counting your way is just the same.
However it is also the same as saying that 61% of those that voted in favour of the EU originally, still wanted to remain in the EU.
Which is the opposite of the original statement:
"... the evidence suggests that those who voted to remain in 1975, voted to leave in 2016."
which was phrased to give the false impression that a majority regretted their old choice."In 1975 62% of 18 to 44 year olds voted remain..... 40 years later 62% of 55 plus age group voted to leave. So, out of every 62 people who originally voted remain, 24 people voted leave in 2016... 24 divided by 62 is c.39%......for there to be a change from 62% voting remain to 62% voting leave, almost 40% of those voting remain changed their minds to vote leave. The maths really isn't that hard. Or, to put it another way, of those that voted remain in 75, the remain vote decreased by 40% in 2016 (62-24), and the leave vote increased by over 60% (38+24). | |||
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"Of course it's a bad thing we fought 2 wars to rule ourselves Tell families of people who defended our country that I'm British Are you not proud to be born in Britain My family fought in both world wars, i voted and back remain absolutely and my late Grandfather, who nearly died fighting in WWI, was absolutely in support of us joining EEC. When the generation that actually fought in the two world wars had their say in 1975 they voted overwhelmingly by 67% in favour of remain. It's those, like you, who did nothing in either war that seem to lay some claim to their bravery and courage for your cause when the evidence of their votes in 1975 would suggest that they would be turning in their graves with disgust at you and what you're trying to force on both their country and their European allies. Actually, the evidence suggests that those who voted to remain in 1975, voted to leave in 2016." The facts suggest that most of those that fought in the two world wars and mostly voted Remain in 1975 are now dead and didn't vote either way in 2016. I don't like to call on the bravery of that generations sacrifice either way and only bring it up when one side, normally the Leave side, try to claim their sacrifice as being for their cause when it clearly was not. | |||
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"Of course it's a bad thing we fought 2 wars to rule ourselves Tell families of people who defended our country that I'm British Are you not proud to be born in Britain My family fought in both world wars, i voted and back remain absolutely and my late Grandfather, who nearly died fighting in WWI, was absolutely in support of us joining EEC. When the generation that actually fought in the two world wars had their say in 1975 they voted overwhelmingly by 67% in favour of remain. It's those, like you, who did nothing in either war that seem to lay some claim to their bravery and courage for your cause when the evidence of their votes in 1975 would suggest that they would be turning in their graves with disgust at you and what you're trying to force on both their country and their European allies. I agree absolutely with this and I really hate all these tinfoil medal wearing flag waving pub bores who bang on about our heroic lads when they havent even been in national service let alone the forces! My ex’s dad was a navigator in Lancasters during the war and lost many friends but he never banged on about it! He went on to build up his own very successful business which sold to customers all over europe and scandinavia and he was always pro the eu. He found the regulations a bit annoying at times but he knew that was the price of doing business unlike the short selling cowboys who want us to leave the EU. I agree with both of you my grandfather was a big fan of the EU and he was a Dunkirk and D day and he saw the eu as an end to the wars that destroyed his family . " Very much this for me. My Grandfather cried when we joined the EEC in 1973. When I asked him why he said it was because he was remembering his friends who had died fighting in Europe and that joining the EEC meant that my brother and I would never have to. | |||
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" I voted as soon as I was able to get onto the website because I want my right to express my belief in an open honest and integrated society which the knuckle draggers and heartless have stolen from me. How do you like them beans fella!" That is right and same here, it is important to get a chance to vote | |||
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