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By *rumpyMcFuckNugget OP   Man
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity

Do you think we really have it in Britian ??

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Yes, but we also have vile speech

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"Do you think we really have it in Britian ??"

Is there something you feel you cannot say freely?

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By *rumpyMcFuckNugget OP   Man
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity


"Do you think we really have it in Britian ??

Is there something you feel you cannot say freely?

"
That's not what I asked . It's a general discussion topic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Freedom of speech rights are being eroded day by day... everyone has the right to express opinion

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By *mstillere2Man
over a year ago

middleport

We have free speech to an extent but some think that's onky if you agree with them however offensive their views are. We are not like US who allow any form of hate and offensive speech under 1st amendment however. Compared to other countries though we have a lot more free speech than they can dream of.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We seems to be losing a lot of free speech rights these days, it seems to be you can say most things but you’re not allowed to express any thoughts that might upset certain religions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We have free speech to an extent but some think that's onky if you agree with them however offensive their views are. We are not like US who allow any form of hate and offensive speech under 1st amendment however. Compared to other countries though we have a lot more free speech than they can dream of."

not sure i totally agree with your opinion on the US (an opinion you have every right to hold and express btw).

Some names of high-ish profile figures that have had their voices silenced in the last few months might disagree with you also (which is their right btw)...alex (melonhead) jones, jordan petersen, ben shapiro, milo ianopollis (not sure of spelling), steven crowder, ryan dawson.....to name a few have been de-platformed mostly on t'internet but also from college campuses and legal rallies.

Some from here have also had their voices silenced....carl benjamin, david icke and richie allen. A lot of their views perhaps go against a particular narrative and become fair game for the free speech police....

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Do you think we really have it in Britian ??"

Freedom of speech also comes with responsibility to use it wisely

If your freedom of speech comes with a consequence you don’t like... you don’t get a free pass

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Freedom of speech rights are being eroded day by day... everyone has the right to express opinion"

People like to think that freedom of speech doesn’t come with consequences... if you express an opinion, I reserve the right to react in any way I see (legally) fit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do you think we really have it in Britian ??

Freedom of speech also comes with responsibility to use it wisely

If your freedom of speech comes with a consequence you don’t like... you don’t get a free pass "

sums it up rightly. If you use your free speech to express your opinion and subsequently your opinions get de-bunked and proven to be false or misleading then you don't get a free pass. And the next time you open your mouth nobody will take any notice because you're a proven bullshitter

Mind you...some get silenced/censored for stating verifiable fact....that's the problem i have with free speech shut down....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do you think we really have it in Britian ??

Freedom of speech also comes with responsibility to use it wisely

If your freedom of speech comes with a consequence you don’t like... you don’t get a free pass "

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By *rumpyMcFuckNugget OP   Man
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity


"Do you think we really have it in Britian ??

Freedom of speech also comes with responsibility to use it wisely

If your freedom of speech comes with a consequence you don’t like... you don’t get a free pass

sums it up rightly. If you use your free speech to express your opinion and subsequently your opinions get de-bunked and proven to be false or misleading then you don't get a free pass. And the next time you open your mouth nobody will take any notice because you're a proven bullshitter

Mind you...some get silenced/censored for stating verifiable fact....that's the problem i have with free speech shut down...."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do you think we really have it in Britian ??

Freedom of speech also comes with responsibility to use it wisely

If your freedom of speech comes with a consequence you don’t like... you don’t get a free pass

"

Regular theme on these forums.

Some individuals don’t like it when others react to their opinions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do you think we really have it in Britian ??

Freedom of speech also comes with responsibility to use it wisely

If your freedom of speech comes with a consequence you don’t like... you don’t get a free pass

Regular theme on these forums.

Some individuals don’t like it when others

react to their opinions."

Reaction to opinion is good! Debating topics freely and openly is part of the bedrock of a democratic society in my opinion.

However when one side of the debate uses tactics other than reasoned dialogue to press their arguement i.e. de-platforming, censoring or simply shouting NAZI/COMMIE! then dropping the microphone and storming off.....that's not so good

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"Do you think we really have it in Britian ??

Is there something you feel you cannot say freely?

That's not what I asked . It's a general discussion topic "

Opinion is free. Information is not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes we do, but only on certain things, for example noone is allowed to talk negative about islam, but it is fine to say ira us a terrorist group.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

Many people do not understand what free speech really means. Basically it just means that there is a range of things that you are allowed to say in public that the government cannot arrest you for. By and large it has to be truthful (slander does not get a free pass), not inciting hatred against various protected groups, and framed in reasonable language (no free pass for causing a disturbance through use of foul language).

However your right to free speech does NOT mean that anybody has to listen to you, it does not give you any right to enter private spaces to say your piece, it does not mean that you have any right to a platform in places such as universities where there is a counter-right of vulnerable groups to be protected by the administrators. As a private individual you can stand outside saying things, but you cannot stop other people going about their lawful business, you cannot demand that they listen to you.

Most importantly, one persons right of free speech does not override anothers. If you say something that offends someone, they have every right (within legal limits as above) to say things back that may offend you.

Also free speech has consequences - if you say something offensive, free speech does not give you magic protection against getting punched in the face. You would then be perfectly within your rights of course to request aid from the police, who are overstretched and (depending upon what you were saying to who) would give the matter all due attention and urgency...

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

We have a high percentage of free speech but it is getting less because of the ridiculous amount of so called political correctness.Take the Amber Rudd incident yesterday,it is obvious that she meant no harm yet abbott decided to make an issue of it,that is discusting,if there was any racionalism it was by abbot.

Humour has been destroyed by PC so poor comics have nothing to get there teeth into.I oppose political correctness and admit that I make a point of being the opposite when possible.

Freedom of speech is being taken away from us mostly by the young and they do not realise the damage they are doing.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Many people do not understand what free speech really means. Basically it just means that there is a range of things that you are allowed to say in public that the government cannot arrest you for. By and large it has to be truthful (slander does not get a free pass), not inciting hatred against various protected groups, and framed in reasonable language (no free pass for causing a disturbance through use of foul language).

However your right to free speech does NOT mean that anybody has to listen to you, it does not give you any right to enter private spaces to say your piece, it does not mean that you have any right to a platform in places such as universities where there is a counter-right of vulnerable groups to be protected by the administrators. As a private individual you can stand outside saying things, but you cannot stop other people going about their lawful business, you cannot demand that they listen to you.

Most importantly, one persons right of free speech does not override anothers. If you say something that offends someone, they have every right (within legal limits as above) to say things back that may offend you.

Also free speech has consequences - if you say something offensive, free speech does not give you magic protection against getting punched in the face. You would then be perfectly within your rights of course to request aid from the police, who are overstretched and (depending upon what you were saying to who) would give the matter all due attention and urgency..."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

3 Englishmen in a pub & see an Irish man sat on his own at the bar

The 1st Englishman goes to the bar for drinks & says hey paddy The Gods a W*nker , the Irishman says nothing ,

A little later the 2nd Englishman goes to the bar & he says hey paddy Gods not Catholic hes a C*nt

Still paddy says nothing .

Finally the 3rd Englishman says to his 2 friends ill get paddy to react & goes to the Bar & orders a round of drinks & whispers in Paddys ear.

" Paddy Gods an Englishmen "

Paddy smikes & replies

Yes Mate youre 2 friends already told me .

If you are not offended you believe in Freedom of speech

If you are offended

YOU DON'T.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pmsl..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes we do, but only on certain things, for example noone is allowed to talk negative about islam, but it is fine to say ira us a terrorist group."

I’ll exercise free speech to point out how moronic this post is.

You’re implying that Islam should equate to the IRA, and that it should be okay to think of them or talk about them in the same way. This is classic misinformation. You’ve moved away from opinion, and into the realm of bullshit. Of course you’re allowed to say anything you want, but free speech allows other people to point out and challenge what you say.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport


"3 Englishmen in a pub & see an Irish man sat on his own at the bar

The 1st Englishman goes to the bar for drinks & says hey paddy The Gods a W*nker , the Irishman says nothing ,

A little later the 2nd Englishman goes to the bar & he says hey paddy Gods not Catholic hes a C*nt

Still paddy says nothing .

Finally the 3rd Englishman says to his 2 friends ill get paddy to react & goes to the Bar & orders a round of drinks & whispers in Paddys ear.

" Paddy Gods an Englishmen "

Paddy smikes & replies

Yes Mate youre 2 friends already told me .

If you are not offended you believe in Freedom of speech

If you are offended

YOU DON'T.

"

Whether I'm offended or not has nothing to do with whether i believe in free speech or not. Free speech merely means that you have a right to say things in public, subject to other laws which may restrict in particular circumscribed ways, without being persecuted by the government for it. It is legal apart from specific things that are illegal (as opposed to some countries where everything is illegal unless it has been made specifically legal, and the government can persecute you just because they want to). Whatever rights and limits you have, everyone else in this country has the same rights and limits. There is no "I can say this but you're not allowed to reply". I would absolutely defend yours and mine right to free speech, but i am perfectly allowed to be offended by specific things you say, just as you are allowed to be offended by what i say.

Free speech lets you say things, it does not mean that anybody else has to agree with you or like you for it.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"We have a high percentage of free speech but it is getting less because of the ridiculous amount of so called political correctness.Take the Amber Rudd incident yesterday,it is obvious that she meant no harm yet abbott decided to make an issue of it,that is discusting,if there was any racionalism it was by abbot.

Humour has been destroyed by PC so poor comics have nothing to get there teeth into.I oppose political correctness and admit that I make a point of being the opposite when possible.

Freedom of speech is being taken away from us mostly by the young and they do not realise the damage they are doing."
well said

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"Take the Amber Rudd incident yesterday,it is obvious that she meant no harm yet abbott decided to make an issue of it,that is discusting,if there was any racionalism it was by abbot."

She used a very old fashioned word that has historically been used in a derogatory fashion. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that being pointed out. You'll note that Rudd was not punished in any way for what she said. If the free speech panic was true, she would have been thrown in jail or similar, not lightly criticised.


"Humour has been destroyed by PC so poor comics have nothing to get there teeth into."

Destroyed? That's odd, considering there are just as many stand ups, sitcoms, panel shows, comedy festivals etc as there ever have been. Comedy being destroyed is a nonsense.

However, a particular brand of comedy that relies on mocking people for their race or gender or sexuality has died out. That's a bad thing, is it?


" I oppose political correctness and admit that I make a point of being the opposite when possible.

"

Really? You go out of your way to use words that you know will upset people, to make some kind of point? That's nice.


" freedom of speech is being taken away from us mostly by the young and they do not realise the damage they are doing."

Pure nonsense. The world is slowly evolving and learning to treat minority groups better, and right wing stick in the muds like you don't like the change. That's all that's happening.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The very fact we are having this discussion exposes the idiocy of some of the posts.

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By *bi_AstrayTV/TS
over a year ago

Plymouth


"Yes we do, but only on certain things, for example noone is allowed to talk negative about islam, but it is fine to say ira us a terrorist group."

I'm pretty sure you can say negative things about any religion if you wish, within reason. I can say the catholic church seems to have a lot of paedophiles within it's ranks which a certain waxy lemon refuses to acknowledge whilst he appeals to lots of brain dead idiots about Muslim grooming gangs, claiming to expose them, when they have already been arrested and charged with the crimes. Forgive me if I'm wrong but calling the IRA, The Irish Republican Army, in many of its guises, terrorists is bang on the nail, they were a terrorist group, or did you miss all the bombings in the 70's and 80's.

I think what you are failing to realise here, is that the majority of IRA members were terrorists, and the very small minority of Muslims are terrorists or paedophiles... Yet some people want to tar them all with the same brush.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Here's a interesting example of someone who was confused about freedom of speech and why free speech is not a licence for racists to spread racist propaganda.

Mark Norwood was a regional organiser for the extreme right-wing British National Party. In 2003, he tried to persuade the European Court of Human Rights that it should support his right to freedom of speech by letting him put up a poster in his living room window, with an image of the Twin Towers in flames and the words “Islam out of Britain – Protect the British People.”

The Court was not impressed. The case didn’t even pass the first hurdle – it was declared “inadmissible”. The Court said the purpose of the European Convention on Human Rights is to ensure that no-one can rely on human rights to destroy the rights or freedoms of others. The poster was meant to be a public attack on all Muslims in the UK and, therefore, Mark Norwood could not rely on his right to freedom of speech. His claim failed.

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London


"We have a high percentage of free speech but it is getting less because of the ridiculous amount of so called political correctness.Take the Amber Rudd incident yesterday,it is obvious that she meant no harm yet abbott decided to make an issue of it,that is discusting,if there was any racionalism it was by abbot.

Humour has been destroyed by PC so poor comics have nothing to get there teeth into.I oppose political correctness and admit that I make a point of being the opposite when possible.

Freedom of speech is being taken away from us mostly by the young and they do not realise the damage they are doing."

The young aren't taking free speech from you. What they are doing is calling out language they feel belongs in the past. Young people tend to do that. Get over it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes we do, but only on certain things, for example noone is allowed to talk negative about islam, but it is fine to say ira us a terrorist group.

I’ll exercise free speech to point out how moronic this post is.

You’re implying that Islam should equate to the IRA, and that it should be okay to think of them or talk about them in the same way. This is classic misinformation. You’ve moved away from opinion, and into the realm of bullshit. Of course you’re allowed to say anything you want, but free speech allows other people to point out and challenge what you say. "
That is right and then it depends how the answer is and how much they are twisting it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes we do, but only on certain things, for example noone is allowed to talk negative about islam, but it is fine to say ira us a terrorist group.

I'm pretty sure you can say negative things about any religion if you wish, within reason. I can say the catholic church seems to have a lot of paedophiles within it's ranks which a certain waxy lemon refuses to acknowledge whilst he appeals to lots of brain dead idiots about Muslim grooming gangs, claiming to expose them, when they have already been arrested and charged with the crimes. Forgive me if I'm wrong but calling the IRA, The Irish Republican Army, in many of its guises, terrorists is bang on the nail, they were a terrorist group, or did you miss all the bombings in the 70's and 80's.

I think what you are failing to realise here, is that the majority of IRA members were terrorists, and the very small minority of Muslims are terrorists or paedophiles... Yet some people want to tar them all with the same brush."
That is right and within reason.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is important to keep the masses believing in freedom. That way when we are to fight their battles they have an excuse for us to rally behind. Truth is that freedom is a lie for all the 99% of the world. There is only privilege. For example my experiences of being poor will be different to that of someone in a poorer country. People feel free based on their individual circumstances not the overlords they live under.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

You are personally able to speak whatever words you manage to produce from your mouth: it's free. This does not mean that you are not subject to all of the laws that apply in the UK, pertitent to what you're saying and potentially the context and medium.

Hate speech and causing harm, such as distress to others, is certainly within the scope of the law. It would thus be insensitive, perhaps stupid and certainly disrespectful to engage publicly with others, using inappropriate tone, gestures, language etc. I think it's right that people have protection from harm that others may seek to cause them. There are also constraints on what is permitted to be communicated upon some criminal matters.

If someone truly wants to be able to say any words, in any pattern/combination, without potential for great restraint, then they could consider doing so in a place that is extremely isolated from others, so that others aren't imposed on. As humans are social animals, we've learned that generally living amongst others is usually best when we each are subject to social rules.

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By *ymphyWolfCouple
over a year ago

Gloucestershire

So what alot of people have spoken about the controversial figures in this place and equated that what they say is hate speech etc....

Sadly in the UK we don't at all have "freedom of speech" in any shape or form, it's been lost over the past 5-10 years. Now you can get prosecuted for saying or doing something offensive (Count Dankula), but who defines what is offensive to people as what is offensive to me is not the same as what offends you....

The last country in western society that has it is the US, and even then it's shaky at best.

What I don't get is why are people and social media curbing speech and de- platforming people of certain political persautions, I hate some of the rhetoric that comes from Tommy Robinson, but if you believe in a modicum of free speech watch panodrama on YouTube with an open mind it does highlight that certain voices are being squashed. You will never see a right leaning person say that they are against freedom of speech.

Facebook's and twitter's deplatforming of the lunatic Alex Jones was wrong and Jack Dorseys recent interview on the Joe Rogan podcast shows that there is an agenda and they are acting as publishers and not platforms (which could hurt the masses)

The only thing, in my opinion, that should be against the law of speech is 2 things; Calls to action, and Inciting violence. Everything should be fair game, that's why you are now getting people like Jonathan pie (don't know his real name) and Rowan Atkinson championing for laws that are like the above

People need to see what is happening, like today Sargon of Akkad has been banned from speaking at a Scottish university, that's setting a dangerous precedent aswell as his ongoing legal battle about his banning and losing money and hes ability to make it through patreon

Also everyone should join #MugClub

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


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Also everyone should join #MugClub "

I don't know many of those people and their episodes, referred to. Use of services that others provide will almost certainly be subject to an End user license agreement, or contractual terms of service etc - where users will generally get more limited scope to breach contractual terms than the specific service provider does. I don't use or like many of those services, so can't speak of my personal knowledge of their terms.

Some of those individuals will also have their own websites, where they will be able to communicate directly with site visitors. As owners of their own sites, they will not be subject to service terms from the likes of facebook but will still be subject to legislation and restrictions, upon what is deemed acceptable and where they may face penalties, should they break the law.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dam!! You guys voiced my exact thoughts. .

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex & Bridgend


"We have a high percentage of free speech but it is getting less because of the ridiculous amount of so called political correctness.Take the Amber Rudd incident yesterday,it is obvious that she meant no harm yet abbott decided to make an issue of it,that is discusting,if there was any racionalism it was by abbot.

Humour has been destroyed by PC so poor comics have nothing to get there teeth into.I oppose political correctness and admit that I make a point of being the opposite when possible.

Freedom of speech is being taken away from us mostly by the young and they do not realise the damage they are doing."

Do you really mean that you try to be as offensive as possible as an attempt to make a point about what you consider to be political correctness? That's not big and it's not clever imo

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I still fail to comprehend what people think that they could have said, whilst being respectful and decent, that they can't say today.

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By *one_wolf.Man
over a year ago

Chatham


"I still fail to comprehend what people think that they could have said, whilst being respectful and decent, that they can't say today. "

There is only 2 genders.....

People have the right to refuse to make cakes or stuff on their beliefs......

Watching old films like ace Ventura etc without offending anyone.....

Any right of centre viewpoint that has been said and criticised.....

Black panther was the worst MCU film that exists.....

Aborting a 9 month baby in the womb is fucked up.....

Anything to do with brexit without being labelled racist knuckle draggers....

BLM is a racist hate group.....

Antifa are ironically fascist.....

Jokes about Hitler and dogs doing nazi salutes without the world imploding......

Socialism is fucked up......

Stuff like that will generally get you called a Nazi or banned or deplatformed

#MugClub

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By *one_wolf.Man
over a year ago

Chatham

Forgot the big one

All lives matter.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm quite happy for Facebook and other platforms to shut down all those who peddle fake news and disinformation and promote hate and racism.

In an age of science reason. Alex Jones with his tin foil wacko bullshit and tommy robinson and his Isis counterparts promoting their vile propaganda are just not required.

I think nobody gives a fuck about these extremists being removed from these platforms except for other extremists.

If owned youtube I wouldn't want to be associated with nutters.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"I still fail to comprehend what people think that they could have said, whilst being respectful and decent, that they can't say today.

There is only 2 genders.....

People have the right to refuse to make cakes or stuff on their beliefs......

Watching old films like ace Ventura etc without offending anyone.....

Any right of centre viewpoint that has been said and criticised.....

Black panther was the worst MCU film that exists.....

Aborting a 9 month baby in the womb is fucked up.....

Anything to do with brexit without being labelled racist knuckle draggers....

BLM is a racist hate group.....

Antifa are ironically fascist.....

Jokes about Hitler and dogs doing nazi salutes without the world imploding......

Socialism is fucked up......

Stuff like that will generally get you called a Nazi or banned or deplatformed

#MugClub "

Your entitled to hold any of those opinions.

Your freedom to think and speak is not infringed.

You are confusing your right to use commercial platforms belonging to third parties to promulgate them.

It's equivalent to sending a letter to a newspaper and complaining you have lost your rights when they refuse to publish it. You've not. You never had one in the first place.

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish


"Do you think we really have it in Britian ??

Freedom of speech also comes with responsibility to use it wisely

If your freedom of speech comes with a consequence you don’t like... you don’t get a free pass "

I don't alway agree with your views but in this case, these are very wise words. We have a responsibility to use our freedoms wisely so that they are not eroded through abuse.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Take the Amber Rudd incident yesterday,it is obvious that she meant no harm yet abbott decided to make an issue of it,that is discusting,if there was any racionalism it was by abbot.

She used a very old fashioned word that has historically been used in a derogatory fashion. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that being pointed out. You'll note that Rudd was not punished in any way for what she said. If the free speech panic was true, she would have been thrown in jail or similar, not lightly criticised.

Humour has been destroyed by PC so poor comics have nothing to get there teeth into.

Destroyed? That's odd, considering there are just as many stand ups, sitcoms, panel shows, comedy festivals etc as there ever have been. Comedy being destroyed is a nonsense.

However, a particular brand of comedy that relies on mocking people for their race or gender or sexuality has died out. That's a bad thing, is it?

I oppose political correctness and admit that I make a point of being the opposite when possible.

Really? You go out of your way to use words that you know will upset people, to make some kind of point? That's nice.

freedom of speech is being taken away from us mostly by the young and they do not realise the damage they are doing.

Pure nonsense. The world is slowly evolving and learning to treat minority groups better, and right wing stick in the muds like you don't like the change. That's all that's happening. "
You have the right to say that as I have the right to disagree with you.To me you are oppose to free speech.

Society changes but people still are the same inside.Telling people not to say something is oppression

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Here's a interesting example of someone who was confused about freedom of speech and why free speech is not a licence for racists to spread racist propaganda.

Mark Norwood was a regional organiser for the extreme right-wing British National Party. In 2003, he tried to persuade the European Court of Human Rights that it should support his right to freedom of speech by letting him put up a poster in his living room window, with an image of the Twin Towers in flames and the words “Islam out of Britain – Protect the British People.”

The Court was not impressed. The case didn’t even pass the first hurdle – it was declared “inadmissible”. The Court said the purpose of the European Convention on Human Rights is to ensure that no-one can rely on human rights to destroy the rights or freedoms of others. The poster was meant to be a public attack on all Muslims in the UK and, therefore, Mark Norwood could not rely on his right to freedom of speech. His claim failed.

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I am glad it failed it that way but by making the news at least we know about it so that is freedom of speech.Really what is freedom of speech?The reality is that there is no true right or wrong.In this country we are fairly free to say what we want but we are getting close to a point where we are losing this because of PC

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By *one_wolf.Man
over a year ago

Chatham


"I still fail to comprehend what people think that they could have said, whilst being respectful and decent, that they can't say today.

There is only 2 genders.....

People have the right to refuse to make cakes or stuff on their beliefs......

Watching old films like ace Ventura etc without offending anyone.....

Any right of centre viewpoint that has been said and criticised.....

Black panther was the worst MCU film that exists.....

Aborting a 9 month baby in the womb is fucked up.....

Anything to do with brexit without being labelled racist knuckle draggers....

BLM is a racist hate group.....

Antifa are ironically fascist.....

Jokes about Hitler and dogs doing nazi salutes without the world imploding......

Socialism is fucked up......

Stuff like that will generally get you called a Nazi or banned or deplatformed

#MugClub

Your entitled to hold any of those opinions.

Your freedom to think and speak is not infringed.

You are confusing your right to use commercial platforms belonging to third parties to promulgate them.

It's equivalent to sending a letter to a newspaper and complaining you have lost your rights when they refuse to publish it. You've not. You never had one in the first place.

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People are getting arrested and charged for some of these things that is in essence infringing your freedom of speech

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By *one_wolf.Man
over a year ago

Chatham


"I'm quite happy for Facebook and other platforms to shut down all those who peddle fake news and disinformation and promote hate and racism.

In an age of science reason. Alex Jones with his tin foil wacko bullshit and tommy robinson and his Isis counterparts promoting their vile propaganda are just not required.

I think nobody gives a fuck about these extremists being removed from these platforms except for other extremists.

If owned youtube I wouldn't want to be associated with nutters."

I'm not saying they shouldn't be removed but when people are losing Thier livelihood and it's only one side of the debate that is getting silenced then it becomes an issue

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"

People are getting arrested and charged for some of these things that is in essence infringing your freedom of speech"

Do you have examples?

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By *one_wolf.Man
over a year ago

Chatham

Count Dankula

Kate Scottow

Sargon of Akkad with patreon and his recent cancellation of a Scottish university speech

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

These people are low on the radar.There are bigger issues than some guy losing a youtube channel.Or getting into a spat with patreon.

People get arrested and lose jobs daily.I find it hard to give a fuck about.

Freedom of speech is alive and well and private industry can have who they want on their media.Bottom line is its a business and anything that effects the profit's gets binned.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport


"Count Dankula

Kate Scottow

Sargon of Akkad with patreon and his recent cancellation of a Scottish university speech"

1. Count Dankula aka Markus Meechan was arrested and convicted for breach of the Communications Act 2003. Free speech does not give any rights to be grossly offensive over communications media. In other words there are things that I am legally allowed to say in person that are illegal for me to post upon this website.

2. Kate Scottow was arrested after using multiple twitter accounts under different names to conduct a campaign of harassment against another person. The details of who she harassed and what exactly was said are immaterial, free speech does not give any right to post defamatory comments about somebody else.

3. Sargon of Akkad aka Carl Benjamin has been banned from the use of Patreon because of violating their rules on hate speech by using "racial and homophobic slurs to degrade another individual". As a private company Patreon are perfectly entitled to exclude anybody that violates their terms of service. I cannot find any direct reference to the scottish university incident, however it has been noted in previous posts that right to free speech does not give any right to a free platform. Speaking at a university venue is a privilege not a right, and it is totally within the remit of the university authorities and student council to decide who will and will not be allowed to use their premises. Benjamin would be perfectly within his rights to stand on the public road outside the university and talk to anybody willing to listen (although subject to other laws concerning public nuisance), but he has no right to demand the university give him a warm room and a microphone.

To reiterate - free speech does not give a free pass to be defamatory, to override the terms of service of private companies, to use modes of telecommunication that may be subject to stricter legal controls, to incite hatred, or to have a free platform.

It merely means that within certain defined limits you cannot be arbitrarily detained just because of things you say. There may however be legal offences committed depending on where you say these things, who you say them to, and whether you use media other than just talking.

The law is not arbitrary, it is intended to allow peaceful co-existance between differing people on an ever more crowded planet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sebastian Walsh (1st year student at central lancashire uni and ukip member) was thrown out of university for saying in a discussion that....Britain was being Islamified, hallal production of food was barbaric and that illegal migrants to britain should not benefit from free government hand-outs...

Got booted out of an academic career and thus jeopardising any future professional career in family and child care....which was his chosen subject.

I would say that is harsh and a prime example of freedom of speech/thought being curtailed.

Nobody has to agree with him but he has the right to say and think it if he so chooses.

If someone else in the discussion is against what he says then they can debate back at him, debunk him and with fact, reason and logic perhaps try and change his mind. Rather than open the door and boot him out.

Many many other cases like this happen every day especially in theUS and Canada...

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport


"Sebastian Walsh (1st year student at central lancashire uni and ukip member) was thrown out of university for saying in a discussion that....Britain was being Islamified, hallal production of food was barbaric and that illegal migrants to britain should not benefit from free government hand-outs...

Got booted out of an academic career and thus jeopardising any future professional career in family and child care....which was his chosen subject.

I would say that is harsh and a prime example of freedom of speech/thought being curtailed.

Nobody has to agree with him but he has the right to say and think it if he so chooses.

If someone else in the discussion is against what he says then they can debate back at him, debunk him and with fact, reason and logic perhaps try and change his mind. Rather than open the door and boot him out.

Many many other cases like this happen every day especially in theUS and Canada..."

Sebastian Walsh has been temporarily suspended from his studies and told that he may return on successful completion of a diversity training course. His suspension was due to a series of offensive and inappropriate comments made during lectures and seminars which disrupted the education experience for other students. Official complaints were made by the students, the university authorities investigated, it was determined that the remarks breached the university codes of conduct required of its students, including those relating to harassment and bringing the University into disrepute.

Again, a person's right of free speech does not confer the right to say anything they like anywhere they like. In this case Walsh was disrupting the educational service that other students have paid money to use.

If you have paid money to go to a cinema, does my right of free speech allow me to start talking and disrupting the experience for you?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

People can say and think what they like.

What these people are discovering is that other people find it offensive, and shun them.

Or they have moved beyond simply believing something to intimidating or threatening others.

None of that deprives them of the freedom to think or say what they like, only that others do not want to hear it.

Your freedom to be offensive does not impose any obligation on others to listen to you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok...some folks get offended by another person's voiced opinion...some don't...

...so with that in mind....who's freedoms, rights of expression, education etc were infringed this week when a group of islamist moms got together to prevent a primary school from teaching about relationships, gay and trans rights, same sex marriage etc..?

From what i am aware the school backed down and scrubbed the subject from the lessons.

genuine question btw...not looking to stir up any crap by asking but as there is a healthy representation of gay, lesbian and trans folks on here (all marvellous might i add )

Is there a right and wrong side to this? Is it a chicken and egg situation?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Freedom of speech rights are being eroded day by day... everyone has the right to express opinion

People like to think that freedom of speech doesn’t come with consequences... if you express an opinion, I reserve the right to react in any way I see (legally) fit"
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Can you give an example of how you'd like to react?. Your throwing in legal in brackets seems a bit of a cop out that in reality you'd like to punch somebody for saying something you don't like!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ok...some folks get offended by another person's voiced opinion...some don't...

...so with that in mind....who's freedoms, rights of expression, education etc were infringed this week when a group of islamist moms got together to prevent a primary school from teaching about relationships, gay and trans rights, same sex marriage etc..?

From what i am aware the school backed down and scrubbed the subject from the lessons.

genuine question btw...not looking to stir up any crap by asking but as there is a healthy representation of gay, lesbian and trans folks on here (all marvellous might i add )

Is there a right and wrong side to this? Is it a chicken and egg situation?"
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You can't say things that might offend minorities, EVERYBODY knows that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So saying things that might offend the majority is fair game?.... you bunch of earth dwelling bastards!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So saying things that might offend the majority is fair game?.... you bunch of earth dwelling bastards!! "
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As far as the Westminster crew are concerned yes.

Take Mr Robinson, not a very bright or particularly friendly character but last time I looked free speech is given out like health care, it's universal, he says things people don't like, he's been hospitalised, punched, death threats, not trivial death threats, the good ones, like kill your kids, r@pe your wife, set fire to your house, he's been punched on ch4 while filming with a crystal clear view of his attacker and this isn't alone case, he's been attacked over 20 times with every attacker caught clearly on camera and not one single person has been arrested!.

We used to have laws that were universal, anybody and everybody that broke them faced the law.

Policing used to be universal, we all got random police officers using universal laws to police us but not now, now minorities need police officers who "understand" the communities, who look like them, who speak the community language who know when not to agitate the community when they break UK law.

We no longer are universal of course.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is listed in the Human Rights Act that people should not be persecuted for their race, nationality, religion, sex or political beliefs.

Hate speech that attacks said groups is clearly not tolerated and certainly not covered by ‘freedom of speech rights’ as those groups have a right not to be subject to such treatment.

Also as mentioned above, you have no freedom of speech rights on private property or on a privately owned forum etc. You can be removed without any reason given if the owner wishes, whether you’ve finished what you’re saying or not - which is why people who are barred from pubs can’t argue their way back in by stating they were exercising their rights to freedom of speech by demanding another drink after last orders.

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