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"At last a politician who talks send, seems to have charisma. Congratulations to Chucka Umunna Certainly they would get my full support .. What do you think?" I think it’s great. I probably lean centre right, but to me both parties have gone too far in their polar directions and a new party is desperately needed that isn’t as institutionally incompetent as the Lib Dem’s. It concerns me that this party may solely be a one trick, Stop Brexit party. There is so much more in politics that needs sorting too. It could really do with a huge figure leading it, much in the mould of Tony Blair. Indeed I think he might be a welcome return to politics. It’s interesting how much bile the Labour Party is directing at them. I get the impression they’re worried. Interesting times. | |||
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"Totally agree except not Tony Bliar He brings too many issues to any political party" A dodgy dossier seems tame compared to what’s gone on! | |||
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"Totally agree except not Tony Bliar He brings too many issues to any political party A dodgy dossier seems tame compared to what’s gone on!" True, but why taint something new and bright Chuka has the charisma and looks of Obama | |||
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"Totally agree except not Tony Bliar He brings too many issues to any political party A dodgy dossier seems tame compared to what’s gone on! True, but why taint something new and bright Chuka has the charisma and looks of Obama " I find him a bit wish washy. I think Sarah Wollaston or Heidi Allen may be better, but then that’s because I’m right centrist. What is interesting is how little people are talking about this, unless you seek out political forums. It just shows how jaded people are. I bet the next General Election will be one of the lowest turn outs ever. | |||
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"All a bit too late to stop Brexit I fear. Get ready to “crash” out. " This is a scary position we are in, Nissan and Honda are just the beginning The manufacturing industry will be decimated as Europe will resource most product within the Eu | |||
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"Fucking snakes the lot of them! First the squatter MPs set themselves up as a private company (Gemini A Limited - number 11770529 - look them up) rather than a political party so they can hide their finances from scrutiny by the Electoral Commission, evade revealing who is bankrolling them, and maintain a cloak of secrecy over how and where they spend their funds. " They aren't a political party yet, do don't have to publish details of their finances. They are just a group of Independent MPs. | |||
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"Ian Austin MP has just quit Labour but hasn't joined the Independent Group yet." He is unlikely to do so. A majority of 22.....not much chance for him to retain his seat next time. | |||
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"Fucking snakes the lot of them! First the squatter MPs set themselves up as a private company (Gemini A Limited - number 11770529 - look them up) rather than a political party so they can hide their finances from scrutiny by the Electoral Commission, evade revealing who is bankrolling them, and maintain a cloak of secrecy over how and where they spend their funds. " I listened to the channel 4 news podcast yesterday with chukka and he sad they will be transparent and release where all the money is coming from.. but because they are not a political party as such at the moment it was set up as a company so they could get bank accounts and such.... I am more centrist or centre left. but I have a huge political crush on Heidi Allen at the moment | |||
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"Ian Austin MP has just quit Labour but hasn't joined the Independent Group yet." Not surprised.... he is more of a pragmatic remainer than someone who wants a 2nd referendum... he may end up there eventually but on this issue he would not be with the other 11 | |||
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"Fucking snakes the lot of them! First the squatter MPs set themselves up as a private company (Gemini A Limited - number 11770529 - look them up) rather than a political party so they can hide their finances from scrutiny by the Electoral Commission, evade revealing who is bankrolling them, and maintain a cloak of secrecy over how and where they spend their funds. I listened to the channel 4 news podcast yesterday with chukka and he sad they will be transparent and release where all the money is coming from.. but because they are not a political party as such at the moment it was set up as a company so they could get bank accounts and such.... I am more centrist or centre left. but I have a huge political crush on Heidi Allen at the moment " Mines not just a political crush! MPs shouldn’t look that good! | |||
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"If the Tiggers are so keen on democracy, they should stand down and call by-elections for their seats, gives their constituents a chance to voice their opinions." spot on. If we all resigned from our jobs would we still expect to get paid. What makes this motley crew think they are any different. There is a good chance not many will win their seats back. So good riddence to them. If you aren't prepared to listen to your constituents then why should we listen to you. You are now on borrowed time | |||
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"Ian Austin MP has just quit Labour but hasn't joined the Independent Group yet. Not surprised.... he is more of a pragmatic remainer than someone who wants a 2nd referendum... he may end up there eventually but on this issue he would not be with the other 11" ?? He isn’t a Remainer at all is he? I thought that he was very supportive of his Dudley constituents who voted 70%+ for Brexit. | |||
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"The Labour separation appears driven primarily by the failure of the leadership to root out anti-semitism among the rank and file. You know, those online warriors who see the world as a global Jewish conspiracy to impoverish the working classes." I usually only here the global Jewish conspiracy from right wingers in this forum.Not naming and shaming but we all know who doubts the holocaust figure of millions in here...  | |||
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"If the Tiggers are so keen on democracy, they should stand down and call by-elections for their seats, gives their constituents a chance to voice their opinions."  Agree.
None of these breakaway MP's has an ounce of integrity, if they're not prepared to call by elections.
They all say they want a 2nd EU referendum because the circumstances have changed since the vote, yet now the circumstances have changed for their constituents as they no longer stand for the manifestos they were elected on, they're not prepared to give their constituents a 2nd vote. Stinking hypocrites each and every one of them. | |||
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"Ian Austin MP has just quit Labour but hasn't joined the Independent Group yet. Not surprised.... he is more of a pragmatic remainer than someone who wants a 2nd referendum... he may end up there eventually but on this issue he would not be with the other 11 ?? He isn’t a Remainer at all is he? I thought that he was very supportive of his Dudley constituents who voted 70%+ for Brexit. " he is one of the 3 labour mps who actually voted for TM's deal saying that he was respecting the wishes of his constituants.... | |||
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"The Labour separation appears driven primarily by the failure of the leadership to root out anti-semitism among the rank and file. You know, those online warriors who see the world as a global Jewish conspiracy to impoverish the working classes." Believe that if you like. However, lots of Jewish members of the Labour party don't see it like that: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/20/jeremy-corbyn-labour-party-crucial-ally-in-fight-against-antisemitism | |||
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"Macron came from no-where in France to position himself as the voice of moderation against extremism. The Conservative Party appears hijacked by its UKIP fringe and Labour has a problem with the perception of its leader as being too far to the left. I don’t know what this group stands for, though. I imagine this is the first step towards creating a new movement for moderates. Can it capture the centre ground like Macron, or will it split the left/centre vote without drawing in the soft right from the Conservative Party? Much will depend on who steps forward to lead it." Macron? How's that currently working out for him?  | |||
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"Macron came from no-where in France to position himself as the voice of moderation against extremism. The Conservative Party appears hijacked by its UKIP fringe and Labour has a problem with the perception of its leader as being too far to the left. I don’t know what this group stands for, though. I imagine this is the first step towards creating a new movement for moderates. Can it capture the centre ground like Macron, or will it split the left/centre vote without drawing in the soft right from the Conservative Party? Much will depend on who steps forward to lead it. Macron? How's that currently working out for him? "Macron positioned himself as an anti establishment figure before his election .Yet he was finance minister.Which is the establishment .. The public are lead easily.Youve just got to tell them what they want to hear..  | |||
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"Another bunch of slimy politicians, if you quit the party you were elected for there should be a by - election but Umunna doesn't agree unsurprisingly. " And here I was thinking he was a fan of second referendums.... | |||
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"The Labour separation appears driven primarily by the failure of the leadership to root out anti-semitism among the rank and file. You know, those online warriors who see the world as a global Jewish conspiracy to impoverish the working classes. Believe that if you like. However, lots of Jewish members of the Labour party don't see it like that: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/20/jeremy-corbyn-labour-party-crucial-ally-in-fight-against-antisemitism" I have no doubt that whatever Corbyn thinks of Israeli policy, he does not think of himself as anti-semitic. As an individual, that’s fine. As a leader, it seems he has not acted to root out those who are. It’s about his leadership, or lack of. | |||
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"Another bunch of slimy politicians, if you quit the party you were elected for there should be a by - election but Umunna doesn't agree unsurprisingly. " It’s interesting. When I vote in general elections, I mostly vote for the party, the individual plays a part, but is rarely the deciding factor. Not everyone is the same though. By-elections would be sensible. If MPs want to change allegiances without a by-election, they should wait until the next GE. | |||
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"The Labour separation appears driven primarily by the failure of the leadership to root out anti-semitism among the rank and file. You know, those online warriors who see the world as a global Jewish conspiracy to impoverish the working classes. Believe that if you like. However, lots of Jewish members of the Labour party don't see it like that: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/20/jeremy-corbyn-labour-party-crucial-ally-in-fight-against-antisemitism I have no doubt that whatever Corbyn thinks of Israeli policy, he does not think of himself as anti-semitic. As an individual, that’s fine. As a leader, it seems he has not acted to root out those who are. It’s about his leadership, or lack of." Its interesting that you perceive that to be the case... https://skwawkbox.org/2019/02/05/40-facts-about-labour-antisemitism-the-public-needs-to-know-and-isnt-being-told/ Of those a couple are a bit tenuous (to put it mildly), but still.... | |||
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"To be honest I've not even read up on what these mainly no marks are even meant to be standing on politically " "Of course we don't have any policies yet" - Chukka Ummuna. | |||
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"Another bunch of slimy politicians, if you quit the party you were elected for there should be a by - election but Umunna doesn't agree unsurprisingly. It’s interesting. When I vote in general elections, I mostly vote for the party, the individual plays a part, but is rarely the deciding factor. Not everyone is the same though. By-elections would be sensible. If MPs want to change allegiances without a by-election, they should wait until the next GE." An MP is elected by the people to act in what they believe to be the best interests of the country and their constituents, not their party or their local constitutecy associations. The parties in this country already have far too much control and power over MPs in my opinion. Being able to vote against their party whip and if necessary refuses to take the party whip or even leave their party if they genuinely believe that their party is not acting in the best interests of the country or their constituents is the only real power MPs have. If their constituents don't like it, as with MPs who put their party before the country or their constituents, they can remove them at the next election which is seldom more than 4 years away. | |||
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"If the Tiggers are so keen on democracy, they should stand down and call by-elections for their seats, gives their constituents a chance to voice their opinions.spot on. If we all resigned from our jobs would we still expect to get paid. What makes this motley crew think they are any different. There is a good chance not many will win their seats back. So good riddence to them. If you aren't prepared to listen to your constituents then why should we listen to you. You are now on borrowed time " Yes, because that's just the sort of people we want deciding our country's future; people who will always do as they're told by their party masters, always just go along with whatever they think will get them the most votes and never think for themselves or do what they actually believe to best for Britain. | |||
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"And also, yesterday: "We don't have any policies, we aren't a political party" - Anna Soubry They just have "shared values" but seem mostly reluctant to say what they actually are...." It’s a love-in Give them some space | |||
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"And also, yesterday: "We don't have any policies, we aren't a political party" - Anna Soubry They just have "shared values" but seem mostly reluctant to say what they actually are.... It’s a love-in Give them some space"The hard left and right, or even indeed the party activists on both sides, will not give them space. The sooner they crush them the better from their point of view. If this movement takes off both main parties stand to loose. You can expect a stream of personal attacks made against, as we're already seeing on here. | |||
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"And also, yesterday: "We don't have any policies, we aren't a political party" - Anna Soubry They just have "shared values" but seem mostly reluctant to say what they actually are.... It’s a love-in Give them some space
The hard left and right, or even indeed the party activists on both sides, will not give them space. The sooner they crush them the better from their point of view. If this movement takes off both main parties stand to loose. You can expect a stream of personal attacks made against, as we're already seeing on here.
"I don't really care much about the 2 main parties as I was a ukip voter for many years but if these breakaway MP's want to stop attacks against them then they could very easily just call by elections in their seats. Douglas Carswell and Mark Reckless were 2 tories who left the Conservative party and joined ukip. They both immediately did the honourable thing and called by elections where they stood as ukip candidates and won. Douglas Carswell and Mark Reckless have integrity and backbone though which these bunch of yellow bellies and cowards don't. | |||
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"And also, yesterday: "We don't have any policies, we aren't a political party" - Anna Soubry They just have "shared values" but seem mostly reluctant to say what they actually are.... It’s a love-in Give them some space
The hard left and right, or even indeed the party activists on both sides, will not give them space. The sooner they crush them the better from their point of view. If this movement takes off both main parties stand to loose. You can expect a stream of personal attacks made against, as we're already seeing on here.
"Well they really aren't helping themselves so far, are they? Also; they are in talks with the Lib Dems now.... | |||
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"To be honest I've not even read up on what these mainly no marks are even meant to be standing on politically " There's nothing to read up on. They don't have any policies. All they've done is made wishy washy statements about 'shared values'. | |||
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"To be honest I've not even read up on what these mainly no marks are even meant to be standing on politically There's nothing to read up on. They don't have any policies. All they've done is made wishy washy statements about 'shared values'. " See my posts - they deny that they have any policies because they aren't a political party. | |||
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"Today's Indy: Independent Group will back May in any vote of confidence. "Most people don't want a GE right now because it would be a distraction from the main issue that is facing the country right now, which is BREXIT, and a GE wouldn't do anything to change that in that if the Tories won overall we'd be leaving with a shit deal and if Labour won overall we'd be leaving with a deal either a bit more shitty or a bit less shitty. If neither won overall we'd be exactly where we are now. | |||
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"To be honest I've not even read up on what these mainly no marks are even meant to be standing on politically There's nothing to read up on. They don't have any policies. All they've done is made wishy washy statements about 'shared values'. See my posts - they deny that they have any policies because they aren't a political party. " They're not a political party yet but they do have two policies already, they're not in favour of a hard, no deal BREXIT and they are in favour of a People's Vote with Remain as an option. While BREXIT is THE issue they have my support. | |||
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"And also, yesterday: "We don't have any policies, we aren't a political party" - Anna Soubry They just have "shared values" but seem mostly reluctant to say what they actually are...." So... if they aren't a political party, then, they aren't politicians, or MP's? So they should call by-elections for their seats surely? | |||
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"Today's Indy: Independent Group will back May in any vote of confidence.
Most people don't want a GE right now because it would be a distraction from the main issue that is facing the country right now, which is BREXIT, and a GE wouldn't do anything to change that in that if the Tories won overall we'd be leaving with a shit deal and if Labour won overall we'd be leaving with a deal either a bit more shitty or a bit less shitty. If neither won overall we'd be exactly where we are now.
"Oh yes, that's why they'd back Theresa May, and nothing to do with the fact that they would nearly all lose their seats. So noble of them. | |||
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"To be honest I've not even read up on what these mainly no marks are even meant to be standing on politically There's nothing to read up on. They don't have any policies. All they've done is made wishy washy statements about 'shared values'. See my posts - they deny that they have any policies because they aren't a political party. They're not a political party yet but they do have two policies already, they're not in favour of a hard, no deal BREXIT and they are in favour of a People's Vote with Remain as an option. While BREXIT is THE issue they have my support. " Except of course, they've actually said they've got no policies - both of my posts were direct quotes. Maybe this is (The Emperor's) "New Politics". They tell people they don't have any policies and people unable to cope with just how ridiculous that is, suppose/invent the policies they'd like them to have, like you just did. | |||
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"And also, yesterday: "We don't have any policies, we aren't a political party" - Anna Soubry They just have "shared values" but seem mostly reluctant to say what they actually are.... It’s a love-in Give them some space
The hard left and right, or even indeed the party activists on both sides, will not give them space. The sooner they crush them the better from their point of view. If this movement takes off both main parties stand to loose. You can expect a stream of personal attacks made against, as we're already seeing on here.
I don't really care much about the 2 main parties as I was a ukip voter for many years but if these breakaway MP's want to stop attacks against them then they could very easily just call by elections in their seats.
Douglas Carswell and Mark Reckless were 2 tories who left the Conservative party and joined ukip. They both immediately did the honourable thing and called by elections where they stood as ukip candidates and won.
Douglas Carswell and Mark Reckless have integrity and backbone though which these bunch of yellow bellies and cowards don't. "But the people voted already. Holding another vote would be undemocratic. Doesn't matter if things change right? | |||
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"And also, yesterday: "We don't have any policies, we aren't a political party" - Anna Soubry They just have "shared values" but seem mostly reluctant to say what they actually are.... So... if they aren't a political party, then, they aren't politicians, or MP's? So they should call by-elections for their seats surely?" You don't have to belong to a party to sit as an MP in the house of commons. they're called independents for a reason. | |||
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"To be honest I've not even read up on what these mainly no marks are even meant to be standing on politically There's nothing to read up on. They don't have any policies. All they've done is made wishy washy statements about 'shared values'. See my posts - they deny that they have any policies because they aren't a political party. They're not a political party yet but they do have two policies already, they're not in favour of a hard, no deal BREXIT and they are in favour of a People's Vote with Remain as an option. While BREXIT is THE issue they have my support. " Those are Lib dem policies and they had a very poor result at the last general election. Also as these new independents stood for election on manifestos to leave the EU, leave the single market and leave the customs union and and have now done a complete u-turn on those things, circumstances have changed for their constituents so they should be giving their constituents a 2nd vote in by elections. Where is the Peoples vote for their constituents at constituency level in a by election.  | |||
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"To be honest I've not even read up on what these mainly no marks are even meant to be standing on politically There's nothing to read up on. They don't have any policies. All they've done is made wishy washy statements about 'shared values'. See my posts - they deny that they have any policies because they aren't a political party. They're not a political party yet but they do have two policies already, they're not in favour of a hard, no deal BREXIT and they are in favour of a People's Vote with Remain as an option. While BREXIT is THE issue they have my support. Those are Lib dem policies and they had a very poor result at the last general election. Also as these new independents stood for election on manifestos to leave the EU, leave the single market and leave the customs union and and have now done a complete u-turn on those things, circumstances have changed for their constituents so they should be giving their constituents a 2nd vote in by elections. Where is the Peoples vote for their constituents at constituency level in a by election. "I bet if Leavers agreed to a Peoples Vote they'd agree to by-elections. Either you're all hypocrites or none of you are. | |||
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"To be honest I've not even read up on what these mainly no marks are even meant to be standing on politically There's nothing to read up on. They don't have any policies. All they've done is made wishy washy statements about 'shared values'. See my posts - they deny that they have any policies because they aren't a political party. They're not a political party yet but they do have two policies already, they're not in favour of a hard, no deal BREXIT and they are in favour of a People's Vote with Remain as an option. While BREXIT is THE issue they have my support. Those are Lib dem policies and they had a very poor result at the last general election. Also as these new independents stood for election on manifestos to leave the EU, leave the single market and leave the customs union and and have now done a complete u-turn on those things, circumstances have changed for their constituents so they should be giving their constituents a 2nd vote in by elections. Where is the Peoples vote for their constituents at constituency level in a by election.
I bet if Leavers agreed to a Peoples Vote they'd agree to by-elections.
Either you're all hypocrites or none of you are."I would have thought it was the other way round the remainers want a second referendum so why are they not prepared to go for a second vote in a by election now thats hypocritical. | |||
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"To be honest I've not even read up on what these mainly no marks are even meant to be standing on politically There's nothing to read up on. They don't have any policies. All they've done is made wishy washy statements about 'shared values'. See my posts - they deny that they have any policies because they aren't a political party. They're not a political party yet but they do have two policies already, they're not in favour of a hard, no deal BREXIT and they are in favour of a People's Vote with Remain as an option. While BREXIT is THE issue they have my support. Those are Lib dem policies and they had a very poor result at the last general election. Also as these new independents stood for election on manifestos to leave the EU, leave the single market and leave the customs union and and have now done a complete u-turn on those things, circumstances have changed for their constituents so they should be giving their constituents a 2nd vote in by elections. Where is the Peoples vote for their constituents at constituency level in a by election.
I bet if Leavers agreed to a Peoples Vote they'd agree to by-elections.
Either you're all hypocrites or none of you are.I would have thought it was the other way round the remainers want a second referendum so why are they not prepared to go for a second vote in a by election now thats hypocritical."Applies both directions. If a leaver won't accept a Peoples Vote they shouldn't expect a by-election. | |||
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"Macron came from no-where in France to position himself as the voice of moderation against extremism. The Conservative Party appears hijacked by its UKIP fringe and Labour has a problem with the perception of its leader as being too far to the left. I don’t know what this group stands for, though. I imagine this is the first step towards creating a new movement for moderates. Can it capture the centre ground like Macron, or will it split the left/centre vote without drawing in the soft right from the Conservative Party? Much will depend on who steps forward to lead it." Macron has mass rights on the street. And your using him as an example of what we should have here. PMSL THE idiots are finally ruling the roost. | |||
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"Macron came from no-where in France to position himself as the voice of moderation against extremism. The Conservative Party appears hijacked by its UKIP fringe and Labour has a problem with the perception of its leader as being too far to the left. I don’t know what this group stands for, though. I imagine this is the first step towards creating a new movement for moderates. Can it capture the centre ground like Macron, or will it split the left/centre vote without drawing in the soft right from the Conservative Party? Much will depend on who steps forward to lead it. Macron has mass rights on the street. And your using him as an example of what we should have here. PMSL THE idiots are finally ruling the roost." Macron is the least popular French president in the history of the republic. Let that one sink in... | |||
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