FabSwingers.com forum: Derek Hatton

By *lanPartridge OP Man
over a year ago

nottingham

Get used to conservatism everyone, as Labour's Herculean effort to become unelectable reaches its near climax. Not only do they refuse to oppose, but a panel readmits the mendacious pillock that is 'Degsy' back in the party. A government in crisis, and yet they're trailing in the polls. Start growing a mullet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One for the politics forum possibly?...

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Derek Hatton built houses for the homeless. What is not to love.

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By *lanPartridge OP Man
over a year ago

nottingham

"Derek Hatton built houses for the homeless. What is not to love. "

Mass redundancy? Criminality? Hypocrisy? A tax haven property empire whilst espousing Labour values? Actually he doesn't even do that anymore. Which begs the question...

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

His choice was to

'break the law or break the poor' .......

he chose the latter. Maybe not the brightest Trotskyite in the box.... but certainly the most earnest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't like him but technically he's served his time, so to speak. He hasn't joined any other party or stood against Labour candidates like other exiles have (Galloway etc).

But my gut says I'd rather him out than in.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Nothing to do with Liverpool Wavertree needing a new Labour candidate in any GE?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nothing to do with Liverpool Wavertree needing a new Labour candidate in any GE?

He wouldn't be eligible to stand as PPC anyway.

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

"His choice was to

'break the law or break the poor' .......

he chose the latter. Maybe not the brightest Trotskyite in the box.... but certainly the most earnest."

The man is a piece of work. There should be no place in the Labour Party for idiots like him

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

"I don't like him but technically he's served his time, so to speak. He hasn't joined any other party or stood against Labour candidates like other exiles have (Galloway etc).

But my gut says I'd rather him out than in."

He needs to stop mixing with the likes of Andy Wigmore......re-admitting him is an own goal.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

whos next red ken?

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

Bring him back

I for one hope I never see Corbyn in power so if they let Hatton back that’s a few hundred thousand more labour voters who won’t be voting for them again

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Bring him back

I for one hope I never see Corbyn in power so if they let Hatton back that’s a few hundred thousand more labour voters who won’t be voting for them again

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Get used to conservatism everyone, as Labour's Herculean effort to become unelectable reaches its near climax. Not only do they refuse to oppose, but a panel readmits the mendacious pillock that is 'Degsy' back in the party. A government in crisis, and yet they're trailing in the polls. Start growing a mullet."

Just saw it on itv news Derek Hatton has already been suspended by the Labour party for an offensive tweet he did in 2012.

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury

Just saw it on itv news Derek Hatton has already been suspended by the Labour party for an offensive tweet he did in 2012.

So their internal vetting procedures are credible then....they admit him, a high profile individual with a certain track record on Monday and realise by Wednesday that he has posted some hatred, akin to the ravings in Der Sturmer online in 2012.

Good thing that we are assured that there are robust procedures in place. Perhaps they may look at Monday's tweets by Ruth George (hastily withdrawn) or maybe they will not.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"Nothing to do with Liverpool Wavertree needing a new Labour candidate in any GE?

I don't think there was any notion that he'd ever stand.

However, he's out again, so it's not worth talking about.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Just saw it on itv news Derek Hatton has already been suspended by the Labour party for an offensive tweet he did in 2012.

Good thing that we are assured that there are robust procedures in place. Perhaps they may look at Monday's tweets by Ruth George (hastily withdrawn) or maybe they will not.

Maybe they should have checked on Monday before re-admitting him? It has made them look very foolish as a party.

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury

Just saw it on itv news Derek Hatton has already been suspended by the Labour party for an offensive tweet he did in 2012.

Good thing that we are assured that there are robust procedures in place. Perhaps they may look at Monday's tweets by Ruth George (hastily withdrawn) or maybe they will not.

Maybe they should have checked on Monday before re-admitting him? It has made them look very foolish as a party. "

The irony of my statement is lost on you Centy..

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

In out , in out , you do the Hokey Cokey and then you shake it all about

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish

"In out , in out , you do the Hokey Cokey and then you shake it all about

You put your left wing in, your left win out......

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

What a timeline we live in. Corbyn Trump Brexit and May. Stop the world I want to get off.

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By *ross-eyed MaryMan
over a year ago

Salisbury

I really don't see the offence in his tweet, if what I've read is true. The world's gone mad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does he still have the Jaguar XJS with the personal plate DEG5Y? ... bound to be worth a bob or two.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I don't know his full background but he applied for membership that was under review - now suspended. I'd like to think membership shows support rather than someone being the new leader.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's an easy distraction from the total Brexit mess so will be used by the media for good effect

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By *lanPartridge OP Man
over a year ago

nottingham

It just shows the cack headed incompetence of the executive. But perhaps they need more Tory secret weapons? The Corbmeister can't do it all on his own

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

Hatton is a corrupt self obsessed fraud,he has loads of money has conned people on business yet claims to care about people.

Sits in expensive lounges at Goodison Park,drinks Champaine and passes nasty comments about others.

I was once a guest there and was taken over to be introduced to him,I refused to shake his hand and made a remark to him and have never been invited back I also was shocked that the guy who invited me was his friend so not seen him much either.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Hatton is a corrupt self obsessed fraud,he has loads of money has conned people on business yet claims to care about people.

Sits in expensive lounges at Goodison Park,drinks Champaine and passes nasty comments about others.

Similar to trump in many aspects then..

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Hatton is a corrupt self obsessed fraud,he has loads of money has conned people on business yet claims to care about people.

Sits in expensive lounges at Goodison Park,drinks Champaine and passes nasty comments about others.

Drinking Champagne, I guess that really does make him a champagne socialist then.

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish

"I really don't see the offence in his tweet, if what I've read is true. The world's gone mad. "

Effectively blaming all Jews for the actions of the Israeli government? Let's be clear, the underlying sentiment is there and a failure to recognise that is also very questionable.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Hatton is a corrupt self obsessed fraud,he has loads of money has conned people on business yet claims to care about people.

Sits in expensive lounges at Goodison Park,drinks Champaine and passes nasty comments about others.

Similar to trump in many aspects then.. "

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By *ross-eyed MaryMan
over a year ago

Salisbury

"I really don't see the offence in his tweet, if what I've read is true. The world's gone mad.

Effectively blaming all Jews for the actions of the Israeli government? Let's be clear, the underlying sentiment is there and a failure to recognise that is also very questionable."

He said

“Jewish people with any sense of humanity need to start speaking out publicly against the ruthless murdering being carried out by Israel,”.

How is that blaming all Jews? It's calling them all out to stand up and make their voices heard about what the Israeli government is doing.

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury

"I really don't see the offence in his tweet, if what I've read is true. The world's gone mad.

Effectively blaming all Jews for the actions of the Israeli government? Let's be clear, the underlying sentiment is there and a failure to recognise that is also very questionable.

He said

“Jewish people with any sense of humanity need to start speaking out publicly against the ruthless murdering being carried out by Israel,”.

How is that blaming all Jews? It's calling them all out to stand up and make their voices heard about what the Israeli government is doing.

...or asking them to take collective blame.

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By *ross-eyed MaryMan
over a year ago

Salisbury

"I really don't see the offence in his tweet, if what I've read is true. The world's gone mad.

Effectively blaming all Jews for the actions of the Israeli government? Let's be clear, the underlying sentiment is there and a failure to recognise that is also very questionable.

He said

“Jewish people with any sense of humanity need to start speaking out publicly against the ruthless murdering being carried out by Israel,”.

How is that blaming all Jews? It's calling them all out to stand up and make their voices heard about what the Israeli government is doing.

...or asking them to take collective blame."

How?

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

"I really don't see the offence in his tweet, if what I've read is true. The world's gone mad.

Effectively blaming all Jews for the actions of the Israeli government? Let's be clear, the underlying sentiment is there and a failure to recognise that is also very questionable.

He said

“Jewish people with any sense of humanity need to start speaking out publicly against the ruthless murdering being carried out by Israel,”.

How is that blaming all Jews? It's calling them all out to stand up and make their voices heard about what the Israeli government is doing.

Why should only the Jewish members of society speak out against Israeli actions? Jews in general are not responsible for the actions of Israel any more than I am responsible for the actions of our dumb PM

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish

"I really don't see the offence in his tweet, if what I've read is true. The world's gone mad.

Effectively blaming all Jews for the actions of the Israeli government? Let's be clear, the underlying sentiment is there and a failure to recognise that is also very questionable.

He said

“Jewish people with any sense of humanity need to start speaking out publicly against the ruthless murdering being carried out by Israel,”.

How is that blaming all Jews? It's calling them all out to stand up and make their voices heard about what the Israeli government is doing.

...or asking them to take collective blame.

How?"

By singling out one group to do something, simply based upon a race, creed, colour, belief etc.

Explain why a hatred or prejudice has not been shown?

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over a year ago

"I really don't see the offence in his tweet, if what I've read is true. The world's gone mad.

Effectively blaming all Jews for the actions of the Israeli government? Let's be clear, the underlying sentiment is there and a failure to recognise that is also very questionable.

He said

“Jewish people with any sense of humanity need to start speaking out publicly against the ruthless murdering being carried out by Israel,”.

How is that blaming all Jews? It's calling them all out to stand up and make their voices heard about what the Israeli government is doing.

...or asking them to take collective blame.

How?

By singling out one group to do something, simply based upon a race, creed, colour, belief etc.

Explain why a hatred or prejudice has not been shown?

Are suggesting Israel isn't a Jewish state??

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish

"I really don't see the offence in his tweet, if what I've read is true. The world's gone mad.

Effectively blaming all Jews for the actions of the Israeli government? Let's be clear, the underlying sentiment is there and a failure to recognise that is also very questionable.

He said

“Jewish people with any sense of humanity need to start speaking out publicly against the ruthless murdering being carried out by Israel,”.

How is that blaming all Jews? It's calling them all out to stand up and make their voices heard about what the Israeli government is doing.

...or asking them to take collective blame.

How?

By singling out one group to do something, simply based upon a race, creed, colour, belief etc.

Explain why a hatred or prejudice has not been shown?

Are suggesting Israel isn't a Jewish state??

Not quite sure how your question addresses the point that one group haven't been singled out.

Or are you agreeing that singling out a group is effectively racist, xenophobic etc?

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By *ross-eyed MaryMan
over a year ago

Salisbury

So you're saying that in 1937 or whatever, if you were to tweet that you think Germans should be more vocal against the Nazi government, that would be anti-German, and you shouldn't say such things?

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By *ross-eyed MaryMan
over a year ago

Salisbury

Are you saying that the Israeli government can do whatever the fuck it likes, and if anyone speaks against them, then they're anti Semitic?

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish

What I am saying is that when it is expected that a singular group take an action to the exclusion of others, then it is clearly racist.

In this case, the tweet was picking on Jews to take an action as a group.

The implication of asking Germans in 1937 to criticise the evils of Nazism is curious. Do you think it betrays your own confusion between a country and a racial group when applied to the Israel/Jewish argument?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Israel is by definition is a Jewish state.

If not the Jews who would you suggest hold their government to account.Shoukd we be asking the Druze or the Arab Israelis??

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish

"Israel is by definition is a Jewish state.

If not the Jews who would you suggest hold their government to account.Shoukd we be asking the Druze or the Arab Israelis??"

Can I clarify what you are implying? You seem to be saying that all Jews should be solely responsible for condemning the actions of the government of a sovereign state (whether you like or dislike that country's policies or existance).

You have excluded anyone else from that obligation.

Why doesn't that equate to antisemitism when asking Jews alone to carry out a condemnations?

Just remember the labour Party's own rules give examples of antisemitism which include

Accusing Jewish people of being more loyal to Israel than their home country;

Claiming that Israel’s existence as a state is a racist endeavour;

Requiring higher standards of behaviour from Israel than other nations;

Comparing contemporary Israeli policies to those of the Nazis.

(And please read the full appendix and notes for each rather than just react to the headlines).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Israel is by definition is a Jewish state.

If not the Jews who would you suggest hold their government to account.Shoukd we be asking the Druze or the Arab Israelis??

You have excluded anyone else from that obligation.

Why doesn't that equate to antisemitism when asking Jews alone to carry out a condemnations?

Just remember the labour Party's own rules give examples of antisemitism which include

Accusing Jewish people of being more loyal to Israel than their home country;

Claiming that Israel’s existence as a state is a racist endeavour;

Requiring higher standards of behaviour from Israel than other nations;

Comparing contemporary Israeli policies to those of the Nazis.

(And please read the full appendix and notes for each rather than just react to the headlines)."

All ask again who would you ask ???

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish

"Israel is by definition is a Jewish state.

If not the Jews who would you suggest hold their government to account.Shoukd we be asking the Druze or the Arab Israelis??

You have excluded anyone else from that obligation.

Why doesn't that equate to antisemitism when asking Jews alone to carry out a condemnations?

Just remember the labour Party's own rules give examples of antisemitism which include

Accusing Jewish people of being more loyal to Israel than their home country;

Claiming that Israel’s existence as a state is a racist endeavour;

Requiring higher standards of behaviour from Israel than other nations;

Comparing contemporary Israeli policies to those of the Nazis.

(And please read the full appendix and notes for each rather than just react to the headlines).

All ask again who would you ask ???"

The answer to any political question should not be elicited by rounding on a singular group based upon their religious belief to the exclusion of others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Israel is by definition is a Jewish state.

If not the Jews who would you suggest hold their government to account.Shoukd we be asking the Druze or the Arab Israelis??

You have excluded anyone else from that obligation.

Why doesn't that equate to antisemitism when asking Jews alone to carry out a condemnations?

Just remember the labour Party's own rules give examples of antisemitism which include

Accusing Jewish people of being more loyal to Israel than their home country;

Claiming that Israel’s existence as a state is a racist endeavour;

Requiring higher standards of behaviour from Israel than other nations;

Comparing contemporary Israeli policies to those of the Nazis.

(And please read the full appendix and notes for each rather than just react to the headlines).

All ask again who would you ask ???

The answer to any political question should not be elicited by rounding on a singular group based upon their religious belief to the exclusion of others."

Israel is by definition a Jewish state .If you want to ask people to challenge their governments actions.You are going to have to ask Jews .

Do you consider someone like Chomsky anti Semitic or a traitor ? He's the most outspoken critic of Israel I know of .Far more vicious in his condemnation than anything in British politics and a Nobel winning Jew..

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish

So you do think that minority groups should be rounded upon to answer for the actions of an independent country (whether you agree with the existance of that state is irrelevant)?

Stating that all Jews alone should be answering for the actions of Israel is an antisemitic statement, is it not?

If the question was that everyone should be asked to condemn, then it is fair game.

As the tweet rounded on Jews, it isn't.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"I really don't see the offence in his tweet, if what I've read is true. The world's gone mad.

Effectively blaming all Jews for the actions of the Israeli government? Let's be clear, the underlying sentiment is there and a failure to recognise that is also very questionable.

He said

“Jewish people with any sense of humanity need to start speaking out publicly against the ruthless murdering being carried out by Israel,”.

How is that blaming all Jews? It's calling them all out to stand up and make their voices heard about what the Israeli government is doing.

...or asking them to take collective blame.

How?"

I'm really more than a little surprised that you can't see what's wrong with his comments. Your response is the problem also. Why should Jews be held any more accountable for the actions of the Israeli government than anyone else? Why should Jews have to speak out more than you or me?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"So you're saying that in 1937 or whatever, if you were to tweet that you think Germans should be more vocal against the Nazi government, that would be anti-German, and you shouldn't say such things? "

But you're not saying Israelies should be more vocal about anything, you're saying Jews, whether Israeli or not, should be more vocal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So you do think that minority groups should be rounded upon to answer for the actions of an independent country (whether you agree with the existance of that state is irrelevant)?

Stating that all Jews alone should be answering for the actions of Israel is an antisemitic statement, is it not?

If the question was that everyone should be asked to condemn, then it is fair game.

As the tweet rounded on Jews, it isn't.

I absolutely agree with the Jewish state I've lived and worked there and the Jewish community needs to be vocal in its condemnation of Israel.Im not holding them culpable im saying the silence needs to stop.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Israel is by definition is a Jewish state.

If not the Jews who would you suggest hold their government to account.Shoukd we be asking the Druze or the Arab Israelis??"

We should be asking Israelis, whether Druze, Arab or Jewish, to hold Israel and their Govetment to account. We should also ask all non Israelis, whether Jewish or not, to do more to condemn oppression and not just in Israel.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Israel is by definition is a Jewish state.

If not the Jews who would you suggest hold their government to account.Shoukd we be asking the Druze or the Arab Israelis??

You have excluded anyone else from that obligation.

Why doesn't that equate to antisemitism when asking Jews alone to carry out a condemnations?

Just remember the labour Party's own rules give examples of antisemitism which include

Accusing Jewish people of being more loyal to Israel than their home country;

Claiming that Israel’s existence as a state is a racist endeavour;

Requiring higher standards of behaviour from Israel than other nations;

Comparing contemporary Israeli policies to those of the Nazis.

(And please read the full appendix and notes for each rather than just react to the headlines).

All ask again who would you ask ???

The answer to any political question should not be elicited by rounding on a singular group based upon their religious belief to the exclusion of others."

Or ethnic origin even.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Israel is by definition is a Jewish state.

If not the Jews who would you suggest hold their government to account.Shoukd we be asking the Druze or the Arab Israelis??

You cannot overlook the connection between being Jewish and Israel .Its promised by god to them.Everyone else is a bit player .

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish

"Israel is by definition is a Jewish state.

If not the Jews who would you suggest hold their government to account.Shoukd we be asking the Druze or the Arab Israelis??

You cannot overlook the connection between being Jewish and Israel .Its promised by god to them.Everyone else is a bit player ."

Ahhh...now we finally have it. The International Jewish Conspiracy based upon a misplaced perception that Jews feel that they are somehow, superior.

Or was your comment an attempt at a joke? If so please accept my apologies for overreacting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Israel is by definition is a Jewish state.

If not the Jews who would you suggest hold their government to account.Shoukd we be asking the Druze or the Arab Israelis??

You cannot overlook the connection between being Jewish and Israel .Its promised by god to them.Everyone else is a bit player .

Ahhh...now we finally have it. The International Jewish Conspiracy based upon a misplaced perception that Jews feel that they are somehow, superior.

Or was your comment an attempt at a joke? If so please accept my apologies for overreacting."

Jesus titty Christ you are away with the fairies...

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish

"Israel is by definition is a Jewish state.

If not the Jews who would you suggest hold their government to account.Shoukd we be asking the Druze or the Arab Israelis??

You cannot overlook the connection between being Jewish and Israel .Its promised by god to them.Everyone else is a bit player .

Ahhh...now we finally have it. The International Jewish Conspiracy based upon a misplaced perception that Jews feel that they are somehow, superior.

Or was your comment an attempt at a joke? If so please accept my apologies for overreacting.

Jesus titty Christ you are away with the fairies...

So you were serious then. I need not comment but please simply read what you have stated. It is pure xenophobia.

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury

You cannot overlook the connection between being Jewish and Israel .Its promised by god to them.Everyone else is a bit player ."

Do you really believe that this is how Jews consider themselves in this world?

Please explain the comment.

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By *ross-eyed MaryMan
over a year ago

Salisbury

Gotta say Bob, you know how in these forums everyone plays their role. Normally just a bit of fun, play the extreme right or left winger, or liberal. Brexiteer or remoaner.. Then you realise... "hold on a minute, these guys arn't playing...". This is one of those occasions..... just back slowly out, and pay no attention to the tin foil hats.....

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

Anyway, back to Deggsy.

There are many good things that have come out of Liverpool and Merseyside over the last 40 years. Deggsy isn't one of them.

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