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"With Labour Party mps leaving , Corbyn still saying he’s the right person to lead the opposition and he seems convinced he is , the tories must be so grateful that the only real competition is so hell bent on self destruction . If Mrs May does quit next May , the tories could present any Tom , Dick or Harry to run the country and still get in again with yet another general election . Let’s face it they already did that once when Cameron quit . Isn’t it about time there was a bit of competition ? Shouldn’t Corbyn do the right thing and quit to give the Labour Party a fighting chance ? " They always present any Tom Dick or Harry. People vote for them regardless of how openly they exploit the people of this country. It’s a shame that people don’t like JC because now would be an optimum time for an opposition party to go in for the kill. | |||
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"With Labour Party mps leaving , Corbyn still saying he’s the right person to lead the opposition and he seems convinced he is , the tories must be so grateful that the only real competition is so hell bent on self destruction . If Mrs May does quit next May , the tories could present any Tom , Dick or Harry to run the country and still get in again with yet another general election . Let’s face it they already did that once when Cameron quit . Isn’t it about time there was a bit of competition ? Shouldn’t Corbyn do the right thing and quit to give the Labour Party a fighting chance ? " Sky news data poll on the state of the parties today showed the Conservatives on 32%, Labour on 26%, The independent group of 7 ex Labour MP's on 10% and the Lib dems on 9%. It only took the gang of 7 one day to overtake the Lib dems.  | |||
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"With Labour Party mps leaving , Corbyn still saying he’s the right person to lead the opposition and he seems convinced he is , the tories must be so grateful that the only real competition is so hell bent on self destruction . If Mrs May does quit next May , the tories could present any Tom , Dick or Harry to run the country and still get in again with yet another general election . Let’s face it they already did that once when Cameron quit . Isn’t it about time there was a bit of competition ? Shouldn’t Corbyn do the right thing and quit to give the Labour Party a fighting chance ? They always present any Tom Dick or Harry. People vote for them regardless of how openly they exploit the people of this country. It’s a shame that people don’t like JC because now would be an optimum time for an opposition party to go in for the kill. " The optimum time for Jeremy Corbyn was the 2017 general election and he came up short. It's only downhill for him from now on, which to be perfectly honest I'm very glad about. | |||
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"With Labour Party mps leaving , Corbyn still saying he’s the right person to lead the opposition and he seems convinced he is , the tories must be so grateful that the only real competition is so hell bent on self destruction . If Mrs May does quit next May , the tories could present any Tom , Dick or Harry to run the country and still get in again with yet another general election . Let’s face it they already did that once when Cameron quit . Isn’t it about time there was a bit of competition ? Shouldn’t Corbyn do the right thing and quit to give the Labour Party a fighting chance ? They always present any Tom Dick or Harry. People vote for them regardless of how openly they exploit the people of this country. It’s a shame that people don’t like JC because now would be an optimum time for an opposition party to go in for the kill. The optimum time for Jeremy Corbyn was the 2017 general election and he came up short. It's only downhill for him from now on, which to be perfectly honest I'm very glad about. "He did well taking a slice from the Tories, even though he didn’t win he did better than was expected when TM called the election. It was enough to stop the Tories implementing some legislation to bypass parliament. Which was good. I find JC to have a good voting record, and I agree with him on a lot of policy. But as a leader, rightly or wrongly, he puts people off labour. We do agree on something, he’s lost a lot of the momentum and good will since 2017. | |||
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"With Labour Party mps leaving , Corbyn still saying he’s the right person to lead the opposition and he seems convinced he is , the tories must be so grateful that the only real competition is so hell bent on self destruction . If Mrs May does quit next May , the tories could present any Tom , Dick or Harry to run the country and still get in again with yet another general election . Let’s face it they already did that once when Cameron quit . Isn’t it about time there was a bit of competition ? Shouldn’t Corbyn do the right thing and quit to give the Labour Party a fighting chance ? They always present any Tom Dick or Harry. People vote for them regardless of how openly they exploit the people of this country. It’s a shame that people don’t like JC because now would be an optimum time for an opposition party to go in for the kill. The optimum time for Jeremy Corbyn was the 2017 general election and he came up short. It's only downhill for him from now on, which to be perfectly honest I'm very glad about. "I’m also glad about that , as I truly think he’s a dangerous , nasty piece of work . Goodness only knows what he may be capable of if he had the means to do so . This is the person who figured Venezuela was a good role model for his politics , so it’s small wonder no one wants him in power ! | |||
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"How do you think the Labour leader gets there? They aren't "put" anywhere. He (or she) is voted for by the members. A vote which Jeremy Corbyn won twice by a significant margin. So; if the Labour party members feel they'd like a new leader, they'll vote for one in the next leadership election. " One can only guess the Labour Party members are a few sandwiches short of a picnic then . | |||
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"How do you think the Labour leader gets there? They aren't "put" anywhere. He (or she) is voted for by the members. A vote which Jeremy Corbyn won twice by a significant margin. So; if the Labour party members feel they'd like a new leader, they'll vote for one in the next leadership election. " The rules which Ed Miliband changed so anyone could join for £3 and have a vote? Since then Corbyn has a cult following called Momentum, he's just preaching to the converted in the tent. He's not talking to anyone outside of the tent. | |||
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"How do you think the Labour leader gets there? They aren't "put" anywhere. He (or she) is voted for by the members. A vote which Jeremy Corbyn won twice by a significant margin. So; if the Labour party members feel they'd like a new leader, they'll vote for one in the next leadership election. One can only guess the Labour Party members are a few sandwiches short of a picnic then ." More likely just the far left headbangers in Momentum. | |||
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"How do you think the Labour leader gets there? They aren't "put" anywhere. He (or she) is voted for by the members. A vote which Jeremy Corbyn won twice by a significant margin. So; if the Labour party members feel they'd like a new leader, they'll vote for one in the next leadership election. One can only guess the Labour Party members are a few sandwiches short of a picnic then ." I don't think so, Labour have the largest membership of any political party in Europe. I think the media's oversmearing of Corbyn has kinda backfired. Labour keep pulling ahead in the polls - you can tell, whenever it happens, the independent run a smear article. It's mildly entertaining. | |||
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"How do you think the Labour leader gets there? They aren't "put" anywhere. He (or she) is voted for by the members. A vote which Jeremy Corbyn won twice by a significant margin. So; if the Labour party members feel they'd like a new leader, they'll vote for one in the next leadership election. One can only guess the Labour Party members are a few sandwiches short of a picnic then . More likely just the far left headbangers in Momentum. " All party members get a vote. | |||
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"How do you think the Labour leader gets there? They aren't "put" anywhere. He (or she) is voted for by the members. A vote which Jeremy Corbyn won twice by a significant margin. So; if the Labour party members feel they'd like a new leader, they'll vote for one in the next leadership election. One can only guess the Labour Party members are a few sandwiches short of a picnic then . More likely just the far left headbangers in Momentum. " It’s always the more radical left wing that like to make a noise . So I’m guessing they make the effort and that’s how he’s got in . It’s bizarre because anyone can see they haven’t a hope with him at the helm . | |||
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"How do you think the Labour leader gets there? They aren't "put" anywhere. He (or she) is voted for by the members. A vote which Jeremy Corbyn won twice by a significant margin. So; if the Labour party members feel they'd like a new leader, they'll vote for one in the next leadership election. One can only guess the Labour Party members are a few sandwiches short of a picnic then . More likely just the far left headbangers in Momentum. All party members get a vote. " Maybe they don’t all bother ? | |||
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"How do you think the Labour leader gets there? They aren't "put" anywhere. He (or she) is voted for by the members. A vote which Jeremy Corbyn won twice by a significant margin. So; if the Labour party members feel they'd like a new leader, they'll vote for one in the next leadership election. One can only guess the Labour Party members are a few sandwiches short of a picnic then . I don't think so, Labour have the largest membership of any political party in Europe. I think the media's oversmearing of Corbyn has kinda backfired. Labour keep pulling ahead in the polls - you can tell, whenever it happens, the independent run a smear article. It's mildly entertaining. " The largest party Membership and also possibly the cheapest. Tories were joining so they could vote to keep Corbyn in the leaders position. | |||
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"How do you think the Labour leader gets there? They aren't "put" anywhere. He (or she) is voted for by the members. A vote which Jeremy Corbyn won twice by a significant margin. So; if the Labour party members feel they'd like a new leader, they'll vote for one in the next leadership election. One can only guess the Labour Party members are a few sandwiches short of a picnic then . More likely just the far left headbangers in Momentum. All party members get a vote. Maybe they don’t all bother ? " Why on earth would you go to the effort of joining a political party and then not bother voting in it's leadership election? To re-iterate: he won overwhelmingly, both times. I have no idea what momentum being "noisy" have to do with that, ballots are secret. In 2017, he won the highest vote share since Tony Blair. The real story was the collapse of the centre. | |||
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"How do you think the Labour leader gets there? They aren't "put" anywhere. He (or she) is voted for by the members. A vote which Jeremy Corbyn won twice by a significant margin. So; if the Labour party members feel they'd like a new leader, they'll vote for one in the next leadership election. One can only guess the Labour Party members are a few sandwiches short of a picnic then . More likely just the far left headbangers in Momentum. All party members get a vote. Maybe they don’t all bother ? Why on earth would you go to the effort of joining a political party and then not bother voting in it's leadership election? To re-iterate: he won overwhelmingly, both times. I have no idea what momentum being "noisy" have to do with that, ballots are secret. In 2017, he won the highest vote share since Tony Blair. The real story was the collapse of the centre." The highest vote share since Tony Blair. Gordon Brown and Ed Miliband weren't exactly hard acts to follow. | |||
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"How do you think the Labour leader gets there? They aren't "put" anywhere. He (or she) is voted for by the members. A vote which Jeremy Corbyn won twice by a significant margin. So; if the Labour party members feel they'd like a new leader, they'll vote for one in the next leadership election. One can only guess the Labour Party members are a few sandwiches short of a picnic then . More likely just the far left headbangers in Momentum. All party members get a vote. Maybe they don’t all bother ? Why on earth would you go to the effort of joining a political party and then not bother voting in it's leadership election? To re-iterate: he won overwhelmingly, both times. I have no idea what momentum being "noisy" have to do with that, ballots are secret. In 2017, he won the highest vote share since Tony Blair. The real story was the collapse of the centre." Maybe as Centaur says , the tories joined to keep him in ? | |||
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"How do you think the Labour leader gets there? They aren't "put" anywhere. He (or she) is voted for by the members. A vote which Jeremy Corbyn won twice by a significant margin. So; if the Labour party members feel they'd like a new leader, they'll vote for one in the next leadership election. One can only guess the Labour Party members are a few sandwiches short of a picnic then . More likely just the far left headbangers in Momentum. All party members get a vote. Maybe they don’t all bother ? Why on earth would you go to the effort of joining a political party and then not bother voting in it's leadership election? To re-iterate: he won overwhelmingly, both times. I have no idea what momentum being "noisy" have to do with that, ballots are secret. In 2017, he won the highest vote share since Tony Blair. The real story was the collapse of the centre. The highest vote share since Tony Blair. Gordon Brown and Ed Miliband weren't exactly hard acts to follow. " Yes, but as you are probably aware, on the same vote share, Blair was able to form a government with a significant majority. When Corbyn first came on the scene, the criticism of him was mostly that he was a bit convoluted, kind of an old hippy and lacked fire/rhetoric. That was criticism based in truth, and if they'd stuck to that, they might have had a point, but they didn't, they kept dreaming up more outlandish smears (some of which were mutually exclusive), and so people got wise to it, I think. | |||
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"How do you think the Labour leader gets there? They aren't "put" anywhere. He (or she) is voted for by the members. A vote which Jeremy Corbyn won twice by a significant margin. So; if the Labour party members feel they'd like a new leader, they'll vote for one in the next leadership election. One can only guess the Labour Party members are a few sandwiches short of a picnic then . More likely just the far left headbangers in Momentum. All party members get a vote. Maybe they don’t all bother ? Why on earth would you go to the effort of joining a political party and then not bother voting in it's leadership election? To re-iterate: he won overwhelmingly, both times. I have no idea what momentum being "noisy" have to do with that, ballots are secret. In 2017, he won the highest vote share since Tony Blair. The real story was the collapse of the centre. Maybe as Centaur says , the tories joined to keep him in ? " So some say, but the membership is still massive compared to the Tory party, and I'm sure they wouldn't stay members.... | |||
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"I seem to remember JC when he wasn't that well liked saying he was only wanting to stay on until he'd investigated Blair. As his popularity grew he then had the knight character from Blackadder attached to him as no nothing was ever enough to have him step aside. He is credited with being a great leader but he has made no difficult choices, only been a poor official surrounding himself by layers of governance. " No difficult choices? Layers of governance? Elaborate please. | |||
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"I seem to remember JC when he wasn't that well liked saying he was only wanting to stay on until he'd investigated Blair. As his popularity grew he then had the knight character from Blackadder attached to him as no nothing was ever enough to have him step aside. He is credited with being a great leader but he has made no difficult choices, only been a poor official surrounding himself by layers of governance. No difficult choices? Layers of governance? Elaborate please. "Amazing skills of summation. Seems you have most of my points. | |||
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"I seem to remember JC when he wasn't that well liked saying he was only wanting to stay on until he'd investigated Blair. As his popularity grew he then had the knight character from Blackadder attached to him as no nothing was ever enough to have him step aside. He is credited with being a great leader but he has made no difficult choices, only been a poor official surrounding himself by layers of governance. No difficult choices? Layers of governance? Elaborate please.
Amazing skills of summation.
Seems you have most of my points.
"Care to elaborate? What are these "layers of governance" of which you speak? How has he not had to make any hard decisions? Consider he was made to stand again for leadership, and he is leader of a party as split on BREXIT as the population is..... | |||
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"I seem to remember JC when he wasn't that well liked saying he was only wanting to stay on until he'd investigated Blair. As his popularity grew he then had the knight character from Blackadder attached to him as no nothing was ever enough to have him step aside. He is credited with being a great leader but he has made no difficult choices, only been a poor official surrounding himself by layers of governance. No difficult choices? Layers of governance? Elaborate please.
Amazing skills of summation.
Seems you have most of my points.
Care to elaborate?
What are these "layers of governance" of which you speak?
How has he not had to make any hard decisions? Consider he was made to stand again for leadership, and he is leader of a party as split on BREXIT as the population is.....".... I urge you to read you reply. What has he done again? | |||
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"I seem to remember JC when he wasn't that well liked saying he was only wanting to stay on until he'd investigated Blair. As his popularity grew he then had the knight character from Blackadder attached to him as no nothing was ever enough to have him step aside. He is credited with being a great leader but he has made no difficult choices, only been a poor official surrounding himself by layers of governance. No difficult choices? Layers of governance? Elaborate please.
Amazing skills of summation.
Seems you have most of my points.
Care to elaborate?
What are these "layers of governance" of which you speak?
How has he not had to make any hard decisions? Consider he was made to stand again for leadership, and he is leader of a party as split on BREXIT as the population is.....
.... I urge you to read you reply.
What has he done again?"Unsubstantiated claims remain unsubstantiated.
Can we just assume that you are talking utter bollocks? | |||
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"I seem to remember JC when he wasn't that well liked saying he was only wanting to stay on until he'd investigated Blair. As his popularity grew he then had the knight character from Blackadder attached to him as no nothing was ever enough to have him step aside. He is credited with being a great leader but he has made no difficult choices, only been a poor official surrounding himself by layers of governance. No difficult choices? Layers of governance? Elaborate please.
Amazing skills of summation.
Seems you have most of my points.
Care to elaborate?
What are these "layers of governance" of which you speak?
How has he not had to make any hard decisions? Consider he was made to stand again for leadership, and he is leader of a party as split on BREXIT as the population is.....
.... I urge you to read you reply.
What has he done again?
Unsubstantiated claims remain unsubstantiated.
Can we just assume that you are talking utter bollocks? "It's an opinion. One you have just supported if you bother to read what you have just written. Split, divided = No leadership, no unity, no decisions made. He still hasn't addressed the 7 leaving. Would a pop-up book help you? | |||
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"I seem to remember JC when he wasn't that well liked saying he was only wanting to stay on until he'd investigated Blair. As his popularity grew he then had the knight character from Blackadder attached to him as no nothing was ever enough to have him step aside. He is credited with being a great leader but he has made no difficult choices, only been a poor official surrounding himself by layers of governance. No difficult choices? Layers of governance? Elaborate please.
Amazing skills of summation.
Seems you have most of my points.
Care to elaborate?
What are these "layers of governance" of which you speak?
How has he not had to make any hard decisions? Consider he was made to stand again for leadership, and he is leader of a party as split on BREXIT as the population is.....
.... I urge you to read you reply.
What has he done again?
Unsubstantiated claims remain unsubstantiated.
Can we just assume that you are talking utter bollocks?
It's an opinion.
One you have just supported if you bother to read what you have just written.
Split, divided = No leadership, no unity, no decisions made. He still hasn't addressed the 7 leaving.
Would a pop-up book help you?
"He did address the 7 leaving today actually in a Q&A session.....the bad news is he didnt do a great job (again) | |||
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" He did address the 7 leaving today actually in a Q&A session.....the bad news is he didnt do a great job (again)" His three question taking sessions, allows him to only answer one which may help the agenda or mandate. Terrible format for a q&a. He gave regret I think but gave not depth to answering Pienaars question. | |||
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"With Labour Party mps leaving , Corbyn still saying he’s the right person to lead the opposition and he seems convinced he is , the tories must be so grateful that the only real competition is so hell bent on self destruction . If Mrs May does quit next May , the tories could present any Tom , Dick or Harry to run the country and still get in again with yet another general election . Let’s face it they already did that once when Cameron quit . Isn’t it about time there was a bit of competition ? Shouldn’t Corbyn do the right thing and quit to give the Labour Party a fighting chance ? " No your just believing the rubbush the mainstream media say about Corbyn. The Labour is huge well resourced JC is doing a brillant job | |||
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"Since JC was elected leader of the Labour party by an overwhelming majority of the party (over 800,000 (including affiliates) with voting rights). A significant number of the PLP (thats less than 300) have demanded that they have the right to overrule the party and remove JC. Maybe they will be able to disrupt and split the labour vote enough to keep the Tories in power for another 5 years, but a reckoning is coming and if history is anything to go by the longer it takes to come to a boil the more violent and detrimental it will be for those who have abused their positions of power to enrich themselves or prop up the establishment that is overthrown." Sorry, Jeremy really isnt up to the job. | |||
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"Ha ha the salt is unreal. " Top tip. First soak the gammon to remove the excess salt. Talk to your butcher about the cure they've used – some are stronger than others, but most will need around 12-48 hours soaking. | |||
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"With Labour Party mps leaving , Corbyn still saying he’s the right person to lead the opposition and he seems convinced he is , the tories must be so grateful that the only real competition is so hell bent on self destruction . If Mrs May does quit next May , the tories could present any Tom , Dick or Harry to run the country and still get in again with yet another general election . Let’s face it they already did that once when Cameron quit . Isn’t it about time there was a bit of competition ? Shouldn’t Corbyn do the right thing and quit to give the Labour Party a fighting chance ? No your just believing the rubbush the mainstream media say about Corbyn. The Labour is huge well resourced JC is doing a brillant job" Is this tongue in cheek ? A bit like when everyone said Jose Mourinho was doing a great job at Man Utd because they supported Liverpool ? | |||
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"With Labour Party mps leaving , Corbyn still saying he’s the right person to lead the opposition and he seems convinced he is , the tories must be so grateful that the only real competition is so hell bent on self destruction . If Mrs May does quit next May , the tories could present any Tom , Dick or Harry to run the country and still get in again with yet another general election . Let’s face it they already did that once when Cameron quit . Isn’t it about time there was a bit of competition ? Shouldn’t Corbyn do the right thing and quit to give the Labour Party a fighting chance ? No your just believing the rubbush the mainstream media say about Corbyn. The Labour is huge well resourced JC is doing a brillant job Is this tongue in cheek ? A bit like when everyone said Jose Mourinho was doing a great job at Man Utd because they supported Liverpool ? " Not really- in terms of resources, the Corbyn leadership managed to get rid of the party debt, meaning that it is now able to be better resourced. He's incredibly popular with the party members (although not with the Blairite MPs). In the last election, Labour's vote share was the highest since 2001 and only 3% lower than Blair's landslide in 1997. That vote share was also the greatest increase since 1945. So, assuming it continues to increase.... | |||
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"With Labour Party mps leaving , Corbyn still saying he’s the right person to lead the opposition and he seems convinced he is , the tories must be so grateful that the only real competition is so hell bent on self destruction . If Mrs May does quit next May , the tories could present any Tom , Dick or Harry to run the country and still get in again with yet another general election . Let’s face it they already did that once when Cameron quit . Isn’t it about time there was a bit of competition ? Shouldn’t Corbyn do the right thing and quit to give the Labour Party a fighting chance ? No your just believing the rubbush the mainstream media say about Corbyn. The Labour is huge well resourced JC is doing a brillant job Is this tongue in cheek ? A bit like when everyone said Jose Mourinho was doing a great job at Man Utd because they supported Liverpool ? Not really- in terms of resources, the Corbyn leadership managed to get rid of the party debt, meaning that it is now able to be better resourced. He's incredibly popular with the party members (although not with the Blairite MPs). In the last election, Labour's vote share was the highest since 2001 and only 3% lower than Blair's landslide in 1997. That vote share was also the greatest increase since 1945. So, assuming it continues to increase...." So despite the Brexit debacle , and the conservatives having a leader who has admitted she will leave next year , they still trail the tories in pretty much every poll by anything from 5 to 7 points ! If there ever was a time for Labour to be challenging it’s now , yet they can’t . And it has to be down to the ineptitude of Corbyn and McDonnell . As a lifelong Tory voter I’m delighted to see them in charge of the Labour Party . However , I’ve reached a point where I have to wonder if the Tory way is the only way , and if there was a reasonable and viable alternative I may well be swayed . But like many others , there’s just no way I could ever vote for Corbyn and what he stands for . | |||
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"With Labour Party mps leaving , Corbyn still saying he’s the right person to lead the opposition and he seems convinced he is , the tories must be so grateful that the only real competition is so hell bent on self destruction . If Mrs May does quit next May , the tories could present any Tom , Dick or Harry to run the country and still get in again with yet another general election . Let’s face it they already did that once when Cameron quit . Isn’t it about time there was a bit of competition ? Shouldn’t Corbyn do the right thing and quit to give the Labour Party a fighting chance ? No your just believing the rubbush the mainstream media say about Corbyn. The Labour is huge well resourced JC is doing a brillant job Is this tongue in cheek ? A bit like when everyone said Jose Mourinho was doing a great job at Man Utd because they supported Liverpool ? Not really- in terms of resources, the Corbyn leadership managed to get rid of the party debt, meaning that it is now able to be better resourced. He's incredibly popular with the party members (although not with the Blairite MPs). In the last election, Labour's vote share was the highest since 2001 and only 3% lower than Blair's landslide in 1997. That vote share was also the greatest increase since 1945. So, assuming it continues to increase.... So despite the Brexit debacle , and the conservatives having a leader who has admitted she will leave next year , they still trail the tories in pretty much every poll by anything from 5 to 7 points ! If there ever was a time for Labour to be challenging it’s now , yet they can’t . And it has to be down to the ineptitude of Corbyn and McDonnell . As a lifelong Tory voter I’m delighted to see them in charge of the Labour Party . However , I’ve reached a point where I have to wonder if the Tory way is the only way , and if there was a reasonable and viable alternative I may well be swayed . But like many others , there’s just no way I could ever vote for Corbyn and what he stands for ." Except they were +1 last week. They have lost about 5% since the split. The point is, that they are polling very well, given that there is essentially a two party split, which has only been the case since the collapse of the Lib Dems. That said, polls taken outside of the immediate run up to a GE mean very little, as the last one showed. | |||
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"With Labour Party mps leaving , Corbyn still saying he’s the right person to lead the opposition and he seems convinced he is , the tories must be so grateful that the only real competition is so hell bent on self destruction . If Mrs May does quit next May , the tories could present any Tom , Dick or Harry to run the country and still get in again with yet another general election . Let’s face it they already did that once when Cameron quit . Isn’t it about time there was a bit of competition ? Shouldn’t Corbyn do the right thing and quit to give the Labour Party a fighting chance ? No your just believing the rubbush the mainstream media say about Corbyn. The Labour is huge well resourced JC is doing a brillant job Is this tongue in cheek ? A bit like when everyone said Jose Mourinho was doing a great job at Man Utd because they supported Liverpool ? Not really- in terms of resources, the Corbyn leadership managed to get rid of the party debt, meaning that it is now able to be better resourced. He's incredibly popular with the party members (although not with the Blairite MPs). In the last election, Labour's vote share was the highest since 2001 and only 3% lower than Blair's landslide in 1997. That vote share was also the greatest increase since 1945. So, assuming it continues to increase...." Interestingly, the Conservatives secured more votes in the 2017 General Election than Tony Blair's Labour managed with their landslide victory in 1997 and yet failed to secure a majority in parliament | |||
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"Interinging news that George Galloway has reapplied to join the Labour Party . With Derek Hatton back in the fold , was this a wise move by the party executive? Will this be seen as the final straw for many Labour MP's and members ? " It would appear to go from bad to worse ! Maybe the new wired independent party may offer an alternative if it gathers momentum and more defectors ? | |||
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"Interinging news that George Galloway has reapplied to join the Labour Party . With Derek Hatton back in the fold , was this a wise move by the party executive? Will this be seen as the final straw for many Labour MP's and members ? It would appear to go from bad to worse ! Maybe the new wired independent party may offer an alternative if it gathers momentum and more defectors ? " Even more braking news , there is a rumour that Tony Blair will join the independent group as a supporter . For me Galloway being allowed back in would be my red line (No pun intended ) I've been active in the party since the 80's and I saw the mayhem militant caused | |||
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"Interinging news that George Galloway has reapplied to join the Labour Party . With Derek Hatton back in the fold , was this a wise move by the party executive? Will this be seen as the final straw for many Labour MP's and members ? " I think it's a retrograde step, even the perception of going back to the days of militant will backfire on Labour.. It may seem that they're resetting the party but it will struggle massively to attract the votes from the centre ground/middle England that is needed to be in power.. | |||
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"I am excited with this new independent labour group  "I don't think the 3 tories would like it being called a labour group. | |||
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I don't think the 3 tories would like it being called a labour group. "Exactly , and if it can sit in between the two and keep some independence it may attract more defectors . Could it be useful ? | |||
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"Since JC was elected leader of the Labour party by an overwhelming majority of the party (over 800,000 (including affiliates) with voting rights). A significant number of the PLP (thats less than 300) have demanded that they have the right to overrule the party and remove JC. Maybe they will be able to disrupt and split the labour vote enough to keep the Tories in power for another 5 years, but a reckoning is coming and if history is anything to go by the longer it takes to come to a boil the more violent and detrimental it will be for those who have abused their positions of power to enrich themselves or prop up the establishment that is overthrown." The PLP cant get rid of Jezza | |||
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"With Labour Party mps leaving , Corbyn still saying he’s the right person to lead the opposition and he seems convinced he is , the tories must be so grateful that the only real competition is so hell bent on self destruction . If Mrs May does quit next May , the tories could present any Tom , Dick or Harry to run the country and still get in again with yet another general election . Let’s face it they already did that once when Cameron quit . Isn’t it about time there was a bit of competition ? Shouldn’t Corbyn do the right thing and quit to give the Labour Party a fighting chance ? No your just believing the rubbush the mainstream media say about Corbyn. The Labour is huge well resourced JC is doing a brillant job Is this tongue in cheek ? A bit like when everyone said Jose Mourinho was doing a great job at Man Utd because they supported Liverpool ? Not really- in terms of resources, the Corbyn leadership managed to get rid of the party debt, meaning that it is now able to be better resourced. He's incredibly popular with the party members (although not with the Blairite MPs). In the last election, Labour's vote share was the highest since 2001 and only 3% lower than Blair's landslide in 1997. That vote share was also the greatest increase since 1945. So, assuming it continues to increase.... So despite the Brexit debacle , and the conservatives having a leader who has admitted she will leave next year , they still trail the tories in pretty much every poll by anything from 5 to 7 points ! If there ever was a time for Labour to be challenging it’s now , yet they can’t . And it has to be down to the ineptitude of Corbyn and McDonnell . As a lifelong Tory voter I’m delighted to see them in charge of the Labour Party . However , I’ve reached a point where I have to wonder if the Tory way is the only way , and if there was a reasonable and viable alternative I may well be swayed . But like many others , there’s just no way I could ever vote for Corbyn and what he stands for ." The Tories arent ahead in the polls. Momentum has 150 000 members the Tories has slumped to 70 000. Jeremy Corbyn will be our next PM | |||
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"With Labour Party mps leaving , Corbyn still saying he’s the right person to lead the opposition and he seems convinced he is , the tories must be so grateful that the only real competition is so hell bent on self destruction . If Mrs May does quit next May , the tories could present any Tom , Dick or Harry to run the country and still get in again with yet another general election . Let’s face it they already did that once when Cameron quit . Isn’t it about time there was a bit of competition ? Shouldn’t Corbyn do the right thing and quit to give the Labour Party a fighting chance ? No your just believing the rubbush the mainstream media say about Corbyn. The Labour is huge well resourced JC is doing a brillant job Is this tongue in cheek ? A bit like when everyone said Jose Mourinho was doing a great job at Man Utd because they supported Liverpool ? Not really- in terms of resources, the Corbyn leadership managed to get rid of the party debt, meaning that it is now able to be better resourced. He's incredibly popular with the party members (although not with the Blairite MPs). In the last election, Labour's vote share was the highest since 2001 and only 3% lower than Blair's landslide in 1997. That vote share was also the greatest increase since 1945. So, assuming it continues to increase.... So despite the Brexit debacle , and the conservatives having a leader who has admitted she will leave next year , they still trail the tories in pretty much every poll by anything from 5 to 7 points ! If there ever was a time for Labour to be challenging it’s now , yet they can’t . And it has to be down to the ineptitude of Corbyn and McDonnell . As a lifelong Tory voter I’m delighted to see them in charge of the Labour Party . However , I’ve reached a point where I have to wonder if the Tory way is the only way , and if there was a reasonable and viable alternative I may well be swayed . But like many others , there’s just no way I could ever vote for Corbyn and what he stands for . The Tories arent ahead in the polls. Momentum has 150 000 members the Tories has slumped to 70 000. Jeremy Corbyn will be our next PM " hope not or armeggedon will finally be upon us all | |||
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"With Labour Party mps leaving , Corbyn still saying he’s the right person to lead the opposition and he seems convinced he is , the tories must be so grateful that the only real competition is so hell bent on self destruction . If Mrs May does quit next May , the tories could present any Tom , Dick or Harry to run the country and still get in again with yet another general election . Let’s face it they already did that once when Cameron quit . Isn’t it about time there was a bit of competition ? Shouldn’t Corbyn do the right thing and quit to give the Labour Party a fighting chance ? No your just believing the rubbush the mainstream media say about Corbyn. The Labour is huge well resourced JC is doing a brillant job Is this tongue in cheek ? A bit like when everyone said Jose Mourinho was doing a great job at Man Utd because they supported Liverpool ? Not really- in terms of resources, the Corbyn leadership managed to get rid of the party debt, meaning that it is now able to be better resourced. He's incredibly popular with the party members (although not with the Blairite MPs). In the last election, Labour's vote share was the highest since 2001 and only 3% lower than Blair's landslide in 1997. That vote share was also the greatest increase since 1945. So, assuming it continues to increase.... So despite the Brexit debacle , and the conservatives having a leader who has admitted she will leave next year , they still trail the tories in pretty much every poll by anything from 5 to 7 points ! If there ever was a time for Labour to be challenging it’s now , yet they can’t . And it has to be down to the ineptitude of Corbyn and McDonnell . As a lifelong Tory voter I’m delighted to see them in charge of the Labour Party . However , I’ve reached a point where I have to wonder if the Tory way is the only way , and if there was a reasonable and viable alternative I may well be swayed . But like many others , there’s just no way I could ever vote for Corbyn and what he stands for . The Tories arent ahead in the polls. Momentum has 150 000 members the Tories has slumped to 70 000. Jeremy Corbyn will be our next PM " I don’t know what your source is , but a simple google search quickly proves my point and yours carries no weight at all . Thankfully for the British public , who really haven’t done anything to deserve to suffer the way they would if he became pm . | |||
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"With Labour Party mps leaving , Corbyn still saying he’s the right person to lead the opposition and he seems convinced he is , the tories must be so grateful that the only real competition is so hell bent on self destruction . If Mrs May does quit next May , the tories could present any Tom , Dick or Harry to run the country and still get in again with yet another general election . Let’s face it they already did that once when Cameron quit . Isn’t it about time there was a bit of competition ? Shouldn’t Corbyn do the right thing and quit to give the Labour Party a fighting chance ? No your just believing the rubbush the mainstream media say about Corbyn. The Labour is huge well resourced JC is doing a brillant job Is this tongue in cheek ? A bit like when everyone said Jose Mourinho was doing a great job at Man Utd because they supported Liverpool ? Not really- in terms of resources, the Corbyn leadership managed to get rid of the party debt, meaning that it is now able to be better resourced. He's incredibly popular with the party members (although not with the Blairite MPs). In the last election, Labour's vote share was the highest since 2001 and only 3% lower than Blair's landslide in 1997. That vote share was also the greatest increase since 1945. So, assuming it continues to increase.... So despite the Brexit debacle , and the conservatives having a leader who has admitted she will leave next year , they still trail the tories in pretty much every poll by anything from 5 to 7 points ! If there ever was a time for Labour to be challenging it’s now , yet they can’t . And it has to be down to the ineptitude of Corbyn and McDonnell . As a lifelong Tory voter I’m delighted to see them in charge of the Labour Party . However , I’ve reached a point where I have to wonder if the Tory way is the only way , and if there was a reasonable and viable alternative I may well be swayed . But like many others , there’s just no way I could ever vote for Corbyn and what he stands for . The Tories arent ahead in the polls. Momentum has 150 000 members the Tories has slumped to 70 000. Jeremy Corbyn will be our next PM hope not or armeggedon will finally be upon us all " I wouldn’t worry | |||
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"With Labour Party mps leaving , Corbyn still saying he’s the right person to lead the opposition and he seems convinced he is , the tories must be so grateful that the only real competition is so hell bent on self destruction . If Mrs May does quit next May , the tories could present any Tom , Dick or Harry to run the country and still get in again with yet another general election . Let’s face it they already did that once when Cameron quit . Isn’t it about time there was a bit of competition ? Shouldn’t Corbyn do the right thing and quit to give the Labour Party a fighting chance ? No your just believing the rubbush the mainstream media say about Corbyn. The Labour is huge well resourced JC is doing a brillant job Is this tongue in cheek ? A bit like when everyone said Jose Mourinho was doing a great job at Man Utd because they supported Liverpool ? Not really- in terms of resources, the Corbyn leadership managed to get rid of the party debt, meaning that it is now able to be better resourced. He's incredibly popular with the party members (although not with the Blairite MPs). In the last election, Labour's vote share was the highest since 2001 and only 3% lower than Blair's landslide in 1997. That vote share was also the greatest increase since 1945. So, assuming it continues to increase.... So despite the Brexit debacle , and the conservatives having a leader who has admitted she will leave next year , they still trail the tories in pretty much every poll by anything from 5 to 7 points ! If there ever was a time for Labour to be challenging it’s now , yet they can’t . And it has to be down to the ineptitude of Corbyn and McDonnell . As a lifelong Tory voter I’m delighted to see them in charge of the Labour Party . However , I’ve reached a point where I have to wonder if the Tory way is the only way , and if there was a reasonable and viable alternative I may well be swayed . But like many others , there’s just no way I could ever vote for Corbyn and what he stands for . The Tories arent ahead in the polls. Momentum has 150 000 members the Tories has slumped to 70 000. Jeremy Corbyn will be our next PM " The latest polls on 19th Feb give the Conservatives an 8 point lead over Labour! | |||
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"With Labour Party mps leaving , Corbyn still saying he’s the right person to lead the opposition and he seems convinced he is , the tories must be so grateful that the only real competition is so hell bent on self destruction . If Mrs May does quit next May , the tories could present any Tom , Dick or Harry to run the country and still get in again with yet another general election . Let’s face it they already did that once when Cameron quit . Isn’t it about time there was a bit of competition ? Shouldn’t Corbyn do the right thing and quit to give the Labour Party a fighting chance ? No your just believing the rubbush the mainstream media say about Corbyn. The Labour is huge well resourced JC is doing a brillant job Is this tongue in cheek ? A bit like when everyone said Jose Mourinho was doing a great job at Man Utd because they supported Liverpool ? Not really- in terms of resources, the Corbyn leadership managed to get rid of the party debt, meaning that it is now able to be better resourced. He's incredibly popular with the party members (although not with the Blairite MPs). In the last election, Labour's vote share was the highest since 2001 and only 3% lower than Blair's landslide in 1997. That vote share was also the greatest increase since 1945. So, assuming it continues to increase.... So despite the Brexit debacle , and the conservatives having a leader who has admitted she will leave next year , they still trail the tories in pretty much every poll by anything from 5 to 7 points ! If there ever was a time for Labour to be challenging it’s now , yet they can’t . And it has to be down to the ineptitude of Corbyn and McDonnell . As a lifelong Tory voter I’m delighted to see them in charge of the Labour Party . However , I’ve reached a point where I have to wonder if the Tory way is the only way , and if there was a reasonable and viable alternative I may well be swayed . But like many others , there’s just no way I could ever vote for Corbyn and what he stands for . The Tories arent ahead in the polls. Momentum has 150 000 members the Tories has slumped to 70 000. Jeremy Corbyn will be our next PM The latest polls on 19th Feb give the Conservatives an 8 point lead over Labour!" Exactly my point | |||
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"Interinging news that George Galloway has reapplied to join the Labour Party . With Derek Hatton back in the fold , was this a wise move by the party executive? Will this be seen as the final straw for many Labour MP's and members ? I think it's a retrograde step, even the perception of going back to the days of militant will backfire on Labour.. It may seem that they're resetting the party but it will struggle massively to attract the votes from the centre ground/middle England that is needed to be in power.. " I don't think they are anymore. I know that this has been the convention in British politics for a while, but that particular group of voters are in their late 60s now. Of them, some will no longer be as affluent, thanks to austerity etc. The real goldmine in politics is non-voters. If you can engage the under 40s to vote, there are vast numbers of votes to be had. Also, it's worth saying that if this "independent group" attracts votes from anyone, it'll be the "swing voters". Since most of the Labour ones are in very safe Labour seats, I wonder where they'll stand..... | |||
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"With Labour Party mps leaving , Corbyn still saying he’s the right person to lead the opposition and he seems convinced he is , the tories must be so grateful that the only real competition is so hell bent on self destruction . If Mrs May does quit next May , the tories could present any Tom , Dick or Harry to run the country and still get in again with yet another general election . Let’s face it they already did that once when Cameron quit . Isn’t it about time there was a bit of competition ? Shouldn’t Corbyn do the right thing and quit to give the Labour Party a fighting chance ? No your just believing the rubbush the mainstream media say about Corbyn. The Labour is huge well resourced JC is doing a brillant job Is this tongue in cheek ? A bit like when everyone said Jose Mourinho was doing a great job at Man Utd because they supported Liverpool ? Not really- in terms of resources, the Corbyn leadership managed to get rid of the party debt, meaning that it is now able to be better resourced. He's incredibly popular with the party members (although not with the Blairite MPs). In the last election, Labour's vote share was the highest since 2001 and only 3% lower than Blair's landslide in 1997. That vote share was also the greatest increase since 1945. So, assuming it continues to increase.... So despite the Brexit debacle , and the conservatives having a leader who has admitted she will leave next year , they still trail the tories in pretty much every poll by anything from 5 to 7 points ! If there ever was a time for Labour to be challenging it’s now , yet they can’t . And it has to be down to the ineptitude of Corbyn and McDonnell . As a lifelong Tory voter I’m delighted to see them in charge of the Labour Party . However , I’ve reached a point where I have to wonder if the Tory way is the only way , and if there was a reasonable and viable alternative I may well be swayed . But like many others , there’s just no way I could ever vote for Corbyn and what he stands for . The Tories arent ahead in the polls. Momentum has 150 000 members the Tories has slumped to 70 000. Jeremy Corbyn will be our next PM The latest polls on 19th Feb give the Conservatives an 8 point lead over Labour!" Which polls? I had Labour on +1 last week and are now -4 after this split. Again, not that they mean much outside a general election. | |||
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"With Labour Party mps leaving , Corbyn still saying he’s the right person to lead the opposition and he seems convinced he is , the tories must be so grateful that the only real competition is so hell bent on self destruction . If Mrs May does quit next May , the tories could present any Tom , Dick or Harry to run the country and still get in again with yet another general election . Let’s face it they already did that once when Cameron quit . Isn’t it about time there was a bit of competition ? Shouldn’t Corbyn do the right thing and quit to give the Labour Party a fighting chance ? No your just believing the rubbush the mainstream media say about Corbyn. The Labour is huge well resourced JC is doing a brillant job Is this tongue in cheek ? A bit like when everyone said Jose Mourinho was doing a great job at Man Utd because they supported Liverpool ? Not really- in terms of resources, the Corbyn leadership managed to get rid of the party debt, meaning that it is now able to be better resourced. He's incredibly popular with the party members (although not with the Blairite MPs). In the last election, Labour's vote share was the highest since 2001 and only 3% lower than Blair's landslide in 1997. That vote share was also the greatest increase since 1945. So, assuming it continues to increase.... So despite the Brexit debacle , and the conservatives having a leader who has admitted she will leave next year , they still trail the tories in pretty much every poll by anything from 5 to 7 points ! If there ever was a time for Labour to be challenging it’s now , yet they can’t . And it has to be down to the ineptitude of Corbyn and McDonnell . As a lifelong Tory voter I’m delighted to see them in charge of the Labour Party . However , I’ve reached a point where I have to wonder if the Tory way is the only way , and if there was a reasonable and viable alternative I may well be swayed . But like many others , there’s just no way I could ever vote for Corbyn and what he stands for . The Tories arent ahead in the polls. Momentum has 150 000 members the Tories has slumped to 70 000. Jeremy Corbyn will be our next PM The latest polls on 19th Feb give the Conservatives an 8 point lead over Labour! Which polls? I had Labour on +1 last week and are now -4 after this split. Again, not that they mean much outside a general election." You Gov for The Times | |||
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" You Gov for The Times" I'm looking at sturvation, I think. | |||
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" You Gov for The Times I'm looking at sturvation, I think. " | |||
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" You Gov for The Times I'm looking at sturvation, I think. "I’m guessing you both mean survation . Which is just one organisation . I’ve used surveys which give results based on all surveys to give a more rounded result . | |||
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" You Gov for The Times I'm looking at sturvation, I think.
I’m guessing you both mean survation .
Which is just one organisation .
I’ve used surveys which give results based on all surveys to give a more rounded result ."Well Im a huge fan of Jeremy Corbyn I listen to all his speeches and agree with what he says. I cant wait for him to be PM | |||
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" You Gov for The Times I'm looking at sturvation, I think.
I’m guessing you both mean survation .
Which is just one organisation .
I’ve used surveys which give results based on all surveys to give a more rounded result .
Well Im a huge fan of Jeremy Corbyn I listen to all his speeches and agree with what he says. I cant wait for him to be PM"You're in for a long wait! | |||
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"With Labour Party mps leaving , Corbyn still saying he’s the right person to lead the opposition and he seems convinced he is , the tories must be so grateful that the only real competition is so hell bent on self destruction . If Mrs May does quit next May , the tories could present any Tom , Dick or Harry to run the country and still get in again with yet another general election . Let’s face it they already did that once when Cameron quit . Isn’t it about time there was a bit of competition ? Shouldn’t Corbyn do the right thing and quit to give the Labour Party a fighting chance ? " I agree 100% but the problem is the left Marxist are destroying labour | |||
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"The problem being if jc goes who would replace him , anyone who might gain the centre ground has just left or isnt experienced enough " I feel the labour party may no longer exist as we know it | |||
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"It was largely Corbyn who came from nowhere, when May launched the last general election, with support for Labour of 15% but ending very differently. His election campaigning was shockingly much more positive than the conservatives. None of us know how an election would finish if launched today but our experience shows that he's been an asset for the party at that time. " May was an unelected leader , not the most appealing in either stature or from her previous positions in government . She has been in a hiding to nothing with Cameron quitting as he did , leaving the party to try and make good of the can of worms he opened . She is the reason I am wavering despite being a lifelong Tory . But Corbyn is a person who I find untrustworthy , nasty and dare I say evil and two faced . I know you could say the same for most politicians , but what we have here is a time where if the opposition can’t get in now , they’ve no chance . And why is it they can’t ? Because of him and McDonnell and their past dealings with terrorists , anti semitism , and their current ways to disassociate themselves from potential voters . | |||
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"How do you think the Labour leader gets there? They aren't "put" anywhere. He (or she) is voted for by the members. A vote which Jeremy Corbyn won twice by a significant margin. So; if the Labour party members feel they'd like a new leader, they'll vote for one in the next leadership election. One can only guess the Labour Party members are a few sandwiches short of a picnic then . More likely just the far left headbangers in Momentum. All party members get a vote. Maybe they don’t all bother ? Why on earth would you go to the effort of joining a political party and then not bother voting in it's leadership election? To re-iterate: he won overwhelmingly, both times. I have no idea what momentum being "noisy" have to do with that, ballots are secret. In 2017, he won the highest vote share since Tony Blair. The real story was the collapse of the centre." There where a lot of Tories who joined for £3 so they could get him elected as it seems he is an asset to the Tories. It's called the Diane Abbot effect. Every time the racist speaks the Tories get more votes. | |||
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