FabSwingers.com forum: Honda UK To Close

By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago

Grantham

Announcement expected shortly that Honda UK at Swindon is to close!

Over 3000 jobs in jeopardy.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Announcement expected shortly that Honda UK at Swindon is to close!

Over 3000 jobs in jeopardy."

More potential employees for Starbucks, Wetherspoons and Deliveroo.

Who needs skilled jobs anyway in Brexit Britain?

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By *rench letterCouple
over a year ago

Chorley,

Well another one for the brexiters to be pleased about. They will be able to celebrate all the losses on March 29th.

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By *laytimenowMan
over a year ago

Essex

Time to start building the Gallows for Farage Mogg & Co.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is this about Brexit?

In a tweet, Mr Tomlinson said: "Honda are clear this is based on global trends and not Brexit, as all European market production will consolidate in Japan in 2021."

The car industry has also been struggling with falling demand in China and a slowdown in diesel sales.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

they were here to get round EU quotas, they no longer need to be here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

B-b-but will of the people, Brexit Means Brexit, blue passports, etc, they're just really leaving in fear of a Labour government, etc

Oh well, we still have the pro-Brexit billionaires helping us out by paying tax right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's the smart pragmatic choice for honda. Hopefully this won't snowball into a mass exodus of businesses and assets .

Although brexiters have been saying we must suffer a little for brexit.

The government should create a fund to help all those who lose their jobs because of brexit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

According to the mail, Swindon is the only “Eu” manufacturing plant.

So my gut feel is that brexit triggered the move away from the uk. The Eu japan trade deal meant it made as much sense to be in japan and face transport costs as invest somewhere new.

The faffing about no deal and uk japan FTA probably helped the decision.

Whether the same decision would have been made if we stayed in the EU, up for debate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It looks like the workforce has two years before they get the chop.The knock on effect to the supply chain looks to huge also .

The government will have to put its hand in its pocket and support these workers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well, Brexit or no Brexit the mantra of BOJO and the Brexiteers is "fuck big business" after all so it's going to be music to the ears of many.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

Hopefully, hopefully, this is a Japanese negotiation tactic for the trade deal which we have antagonised them over.

This is what playing the with no back-up really means.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Is this about Brexit?

In a tweet, Mr Tomlinson said: "Honda are clear this is based on global trends and not Brexit, as all European market production will consolidate in Japan in 2021."

The car industry has also been struggling with falling demand in China and a slowdown in diesel sales."

The new all singing all dancing Japan/EU trade deal that remoaners like to crow about means Japanese manufacturers like Honda no longer need a production facility in Europe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is this about Brexit?

In a tweet, Mr Tomlinson said: "Honda are clear this is based on global trends and not Brexit, as all European market production will consolidate in Japan in 2021."

The car industry has also been struggling with falling demand in China and a slowdown in diesel sales.

The new all singing all dancing Japan/EU trade deal that remoaners like to crow about means Japanese manufacturers like Honda no longer need a production facility in Europe. "

Well isn't that what Global Britain is about- trade? It's ok when it's the UK trading global but not anyone else! Just shows your poor knowledge of international trade!

Oh and the good people of Swindon voted to leave- so as the saying goes "you reap what you sow"!

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Is this about Brexit?

In a tweet, Mr Tomlinson said: "Honda are clear this is based on global trends and not Brexit, as all European market production will consolidate in Japan in 2021."

The car industry has also been struggling with falling demand in China and a slowdown in diesel sales.

The new all singing all dancing Japan/EU trade deal that remoaners like to crow about means Japanese manufacturers like Honda no longer need a production facility in Europe. "

So you don't want any international trade deals now?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is this about Brexit?

In a tweet, Mr Tomlinson said: "Honda are clear this is based on global trends and not Brexit, as all European market production will consolidate in Japan in 2021."

The car industry has also been struggling with falling demand in China and a slowdown in diesel sales.

The new all singing all dancing Japan/EU trade deal that remoaners like to crow about means Japanese manufacturers like Honda no longer need a production facility in Europe. "

I’ve already anticipated this view. Like I said whether they’d make the decision if we stayed is anyone’s guess.

But if the new FtA is why they moved, then we’re agreed that tariffs form part if their decision making. So being out of the EU was a factor and, in absence of the new deal, they’d likely make be moving, but possibly to the EU.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Honda has been struggling to survive since before brexit was even voted on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Brexit will only deliver milk and honey and sunny days ... Nothing to see here is the mantra of the brexiters..

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No idea if Brexit plays any role in this, it's just shit upon shit that's probably going to be coming our way with the Brexit effect anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving"."

To be honest and realistic though even if Honda do site Brexit as a factor leavers will just rubbish it calling them lyers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cite even

Damn predictive text

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Liars even....

Fuck I hate this phone

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Is this about Brexit?

In a tweet, Mr Tomlinson said: "Honda are clear this is based on global trends and not Brexit, as all European market production will consolidate in Japan in 2021."

The car industry has also been struggling with falling demand in China and a slowdown in diesel sales.

The new all singing all dancing Japan/EU trade deal that remoaners like to crow about means Japanese manufacturers like Honda no longer need a production facility in Europe. "

But it isn’t Europe they are leaving, it is the UK and all the jobs lost as a consequence in supply chain will be in Britain. When will Brexiteers get it that real working people are going to be hurt by Brexit & not the super wealthy like Jim Ratcliffe who is wandering off to Monaco to avoid tax - clusterfuck is the word, not shambles!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving"."
does it matter what the statement says. If they say brexit is a reason, it will be dismissed as “an excuse” and will really be about diesel, bad business model, bribe, or some other reason.

Very few decisions in business have a single killer blow; it’s difficult to see the true extent any factor (inc brexit) will have in.... but it’s hard to say brexit isn’t one of the cuts that will bleed some companies to death:japan.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving"."

The great hope of leavers. .... “come on, don’t let this company leaving/closing be down to Brexit. Fingers and toes crossed”.

If it turns out this instance that it’s not Brexit related, will that be considered a victory by brexiteers?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"they were here to get round EU quotas, they no longer need to be here."

That applies to many other multinationals too

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

North Swindon MP Justin Tomlinson has said Honda's decision to close it's Swindon plant are "based on global trends and not brexit".

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

"North Swindon MP Justin Tomlinson has said Honda's decision to close it's Swindon plant are "based on global trends and not brexit". "

I'm sure that will be of great comfort to his constituents

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"North Swindon MP Justin Tomlinson has said Honda's decision to close it's Swindon plant are "based on global trends and not brexit". "

Conservative Brexiteer Justin Tomlinson - who has a nice cushy job, unlike his constituents - he might find it is less cushy after this! Of course it is Brexit linked as they would be hit with tariffs selling to Europe if they stayed in the UK, much more efficient to move production back to Japan and make the most of the EU/J trade deal. It isimpossible for this not to be Brexit related...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"North Swindon MP Justin Tomlinson has said Honda's decision to close it's Swindon plant are "based on global trends and not brexit". "

Finally a great “victory” for brexiteers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving"."

Just a complete coincidence that all these vehicle makers are leaving the UK then? How's Spain by the way?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"North Swindon MP Justin Tomlinson has said Honda's decision to close it's Swindon plant are "based on global trends and not brexit". "

Brexiter says Brexit isn't the reason bad things are happening? Sounds familiar.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving".

The great hope of leavers. .... “come on, don’t let this company leaving/closing be down to Brexit. Fingers and toes crossed”.

If it turns out this instance that it’s not Brexit related, will that be considered a victory by brexiteers?

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There are obviously no winners except the people who will produce it in Japan.Now that they have no export tariffs to the eu due to the deal made who can blame them for bringing back jobs for their own people i would expect the uk to do exactly the same thing in their shoes,more workers more tax.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"North Swindon MP Justin Tomlinson has said Honda's decision to close it's Swindon plant are "based on global trends and not brexit". "

No business that hopes to continue trading in the UK is going to say straight out we are leaving the UK because you are leaving the EU. In fact many will claim their leaving has nothing to do with brexit at all. But the fact is billions are flowing out of the UK and into countries that are remaining in the EU or have free trade deals with the EU, and that is a trend that started after this country voted to leave the EU and has accelerated as our leaving date has got closer. Now with 39 days to brexit and still no sign of a deal to make our exit orderly we are beginning to hear and see the first signs of the reality of brexit. But still the same people are spouting the same shit about how great brexit will be and nothing negative is the fault of brexit.

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving".

The great hope of leavers. .... “come on, don’t let this company leaving/closing be down to Brexit. Fingers and toes crossed”.

If it turns out this instance that it’s not Brexit related, will that be considered a victory by brexiteers?

There are obviously no winners except the people who will produce it in Japan.Now that they have no export tariffs to the eu due to the deal made who can blame them for bringing back jobs for their own people i would expect the uk to do exactly the same thing in their shoes,more workers more tax."

But it would have been a lot less likely without Brexit, so the only losers are British...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving".

The great hope of leavers. .... “come on, don’t let this company leaving/closing be down to Brexit. Fingers and toes crossed”.

If it turns out this instance that it’s not Brexit related, will that be considered a victory by brexiteers?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving".

The great hope of leavers. .... “come on, don’t let this company leaving/closing be down to Brexit. Fingers and toes crossed”.

If it turns out this instance that it’s not Brexit related, will that be considered a victory by brexiteers?

But it would have been a lot less likely without Brexit, so the only losers are British..."
well only the directors know that but would you keep your company in another country if you could export duty free better to look after your own and have everything close but hey ho im no business man i just use common sense.

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving".

The great hope of leavers. .... “come on, don’t let this company leaving/closing be down to Brexit. Fingers and toes crossed”.

If it turns out this instance that it’s not Brexit related, will that be considered a victory by brexiteers?

But it would have been a lot less likely without Brexit, so the only losers are British...well only the directors know that but would you keep your company in another country if you could export duty free better to look after your own and have everything close but hey ho im no business man i just use common sense."

...so you voted remain then?

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By *laytimenowMan
over a year ago

Essex

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By *laytimenowMan
over a year ago

Essex

All the Aliens are Leaving .

And there is no sign of Will Smith or Tommy Lee Jones to save us .

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving".

The great hope of leavers. .... “come on, don’t let this company leaving/closing be down to Brexit. Fingers and toes crossed”.

If it turns out this instance that it’s not Brexit related, will that be considered a victory by brexiteers?

That's how you view the world. Not everyone does. That is an emotional view of what you would do, not a business one.

It would still be cheaper to manufacture here with no tariffs as the transport costs would be significantly lower than Japan. The capital expenditure has already been made. The Swindon factory is also very efficient.

It is now going to be cheaper to transport half way across the world than manufacture next door and pay tariffs. If they are going to spend tend of millions on a new factory they may as well build in Japan without having to learn a new culture and employment regulations etc.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving".

The great hope of leavers. .... “come on, don’t let this company leaving/closing be down to Brexit. Fingers and toes crossed”.

If it turns out this instance that it’s not Brexit related, will that be considered a victory by brexiteers?

That's how you view the world. Not everyone does. That is an emotional view of what you would do, not a business one.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving".

The great hope of leavers. .... “come on, don’t let this company leaving/closing be down to Brexit. Fingers and toes crossed”.

If it turns out this instance that it’s not Brexit related, will that be considered a victory by brexiteers?

That's how you view the world. Not everyone does. That is an emotional view of what you would do, not a business one.

Did you read the first part?

The factory would probably stay here with no tariff barrier as the capital investment has already been made.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving".

The great hope of leavers. .... “come on, don’t let this company leaving/closing be down to Brexit. Fingers and toes crossed”.

If it turns out this instance that it’s not Brexit related, will that be considered a victory by brexiteers?

That's how you view the world. Not everyone does. That is an emotional view of what you would do, not a business one.

Did you read the first part?

The factory would probably stay here with no tariff barrier as the capital investment has already been made."
Yes i did but we all know the japenese look at the long term they have factories and suppliers in japan all they need to do is up production.The swindon plant has been running at 1/2 capacity for ages if they have similar plants in japan now they have tariff free trading there is no reason to produce in the uk.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"North Swindon MP Justin Tomlinson has said Honda's decision to close it's Swindon plant are "based on global trends and not brexit". "

Mr Tomlinson a high end director for Honda UK I presume then?

Honda will be consulting with all staff and there is not expected to be any job losses, or changes in production until 2021."

This comes after last month Honda announced plans for a six-day shutdown to prepare for any Brexit-related disruption.

A company statement at the time said: "Honda has been assessing how best to prepare for any disruption caused by logistics and border issues following the UK leaving the EU on March 29.

So, Honda have alread said they have been trying to prepare for disruption of border issues that very well may occur because of Brexit...

If the UK crash out with no deal then Honda's cars could attract a 10% tarrif going to the EU from UK car plants.

So to avoid any tarrifs they may as well take production back home and give the jobs to their own people.

Looks like they've made their decision regarding Brexit, once it becomes financially feasible their quitting the UK.

I wouldn't be surprised if Honda are given a sweetener by the Government to uturn and now not blame Brexit as any factor for this decision.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving".

The great hope of leavers. .... “come on, don’t let this company leaving/closing be down to Brexit. Fingers and toes crossed”.

If it turns out this instance that it’s not Brexit related, will that be considered a victory by brexiteers?

That's how you view the world. Not everyone does. That is an emotional view of what you would do, not a business one.

Did you read the first part?

The factory would probably stay here with no tariff barrier as the capital investment has already been made.Yes i did but we all know the japenese look at the long term they have factories and suppliers in japan all they need to do is up production.The swindon plant has been running at 1/2 capacity for ages if they have similar plants in japan now they have tariff free trading there is no reason to produce in the uk."

They have invested over £1.2bn in Swindon.

Again, it makes no sense for them to move production for the almost exclusively sold Civic unless cost per unit increased significantly i.e. a tariff barrier.

It would not have happened anyway.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving".

The great hope of leavers. .... “come on, don’t let this company leaving/closing be down to Brexit. Fingers and toes crossed”.

If it turns out this instance that it’s not Brexit related, will that be considered a victory by brexiteers?

That's how you view the world. Not everyone does. That is an emotional view of what you would do, not a business one.

Did you read the first part?

They have invested over £1.2bn in Swindon.

Again, it makes no sense for them to move production for the almost exclusively sold Civic unless cost per unit increased significantly i.e. a tariff barrier.

It would not have happened anyway."
If this is the case please explain why they are closing their factory in turkey too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving".

The great hope of leavers. .... “come on, don’t let this company leaving/closing be down to Brexit. Fingers and toes crossed”.

If it turns out this instance that it’s not Brexit related, will that be considered a victory by brexiteers?

The point is, that the most positive thing we hear about Brexit is that when a company leaves, Brexit is only partly responsible.

We’re down to, “other factors are ruining the country as well” being Brexiteers strongest argument.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving".

The great hope of leavers. .... “come on, don’t let this company leaving/closing be down to Brexit. Fingers and toes crossed”.

If it turns out this instance that it’s not Brexit related, will that be considered a victory by brexiteers?

The point is, that the most positive thing we hear about Brexit is that when a company leaves, Brexit is only partly responsible.

We’re down to, “other factors are ruining the country as well” being Brexiteers strongest argument. "
The point being they are not leaving because of brexit only remainers are saying that,i repeat if brexit is the cause why are they shutting turkey,s factory too? you cant blame that on brexit in fact if your reasoning was right they would be expanding the plant in turkey not shutting it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving".

The great hope of leavers. .... “come on, don’t let this company leaving/closing be down to Brexit. Fingers and toes crossed”.

If it turns out this instance that it’s not Brexit related, will that be considered a victory by brexiteers?

The point is, that the most positive thing we hear about Brexit is that when a company leaves, Brexit is only partly responsible.

We’re down to, “other factors are ruining the country as well” being Brexiteers strongest argument. The point being they are not leaving because of brexit only remainers are saying that,i repeat if brexit is the cause why are they shutting turkey,s factory too? you cant blame that on brexit in fact if your reasoning was right they would be expanding the plant in turkey not shutting it. "

Remainers aren’t saying it. The businesses themselves are saying it. You’re choosing to go on belief over evidence based reasoning.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving".

The great hope of leavers. .... “come on, don’t let this company leaving/closing be down to Brexit. Fingers and toes crossed”.

If it turns out this instance that it’s not Brexit related, will that be considered a victory by brexiteers?

The point is, that the most positive thing we hear about Brexit is that when a company leaves, Brexit is only partly responsible.

Remainers aren’t saying it. The businesses themselves are saying it. You’re choosing to go on belief over evidence based reasoning. "

Honda haven't actually released an official company statement yet.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving".

The great hope of leavers. .... “come on, don’t let this company leaving/closing be down to Brexit. Fingers and toes crossed”.

If it turns out this instance that it’s not Brexit related, will that be considered a victory by brexiteers?

The point is, that the most positive thing we hear about Brexit is that when a company leaves, Brexit is only partly responsible.

Remainers aren’t saying it. The businesses themselves are saying it. You’re choosing to go on belief over evidence based reasoning. "
Show me a link where honda are saying they are leaving because of brexit no you cant because they are not only the remainers on here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving".

The great hope of leavers. .... “come on, don’t let this company leaving/closing be down to Brexit. Fingers and toes crossed”.

If it turns out this instance that it’s not Brexit related, will that be considered a victory by brexiteers?

The point is, that the most positive thing we hear about Brexit is that when a company leaves, Brexit is only partly responsible.

Remainers aren’t saying it. The businesses themselves are saying it. You’re choosing to go on belief over evidence based reasoning. Show me a link where honda are saying they are leaving because of brexit no you cant because they are not only the remainers on here."

OK Honda have already said they were trying to mitigate problems with Brexit.

Now they have said we're off.

Only links available are Honda saying problems they will have with a no deal Brexit.

You can take 2 + 2 and come up with whatever number you like hut I get 4.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving".

The great hope of leavers. .... “come on, don’t let this company leaving/closing be down to Brexit. Fingers and toes crossed”.

If it turns out this instance that it’s not Brexit related, will that be considered a victory by brexiteers?

The point is, that the most positive thing we hear about Brexit is that when a company leaves, Brexit is only partly responsible.

OK Honda have already said they were trying to mitigate problems with Brexit.

Now they have said we're off.

Only links available are Honda saying problems they will have with a no deal Brexit.

You can take 2 + 2 and come up with whatever number you like hut I get 4.

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They said they are consolidating their production in japan to me that is 2+2 =4 explain to me why they are pulling out of turkey too if its to do with brexit? surely they would expand in turkey after leaving the uk if your brexit theory was right turkey are in the customs union.So your argument is only based on your opinion i suppose you could make a case for my local m&s closing due to brexit too.

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over a year ago

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving".

The great hope of leavers. .... “come on, don’t let this company leaving/closing be down to Brexit. Fingers and toes crossed”.

If it turns out this instance that it’s not Brexit related, will that be considered a victory by brexiteers?

The point is, that the most positive thing we hear about Brexit is that when a company leaves, Brexit is only partly responsible.

The conversation expanded to discuss all the other businesses leaving. That’s what I’m talking about. If you choose to bring it back to Honda, that’s fine. I don’t know why they’re leaving. Likelihood Brexit is playing a role. But who knows.

So we’re back to the best possible argument for Brexit, is that some companies who are leaving might not have Brexit as one of the main reasons. Brilliant.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

mate the whole thread is about honda leaving the tittle gives it away.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving".

The great hope of leavers. .... “come on, don’t let this company leaving/closing be down to Brexit. Fingers and toes crossed”.

If it turns out this instance that it’s not Brexit related, will that be considered a victory by brexiteers?

That's how you view the world. Not everyone does. That is an emotional view of what you would do, not a business one.

Did you read the first part?

They have invested over £1.2bn in Swindon.

Again, it makes no sense for them to move production for the almost exclusively sold Civic unless cost per unit increased significantly i.e. a tariff barrier.

It would not have happened anyway.If this is the case please explain why they are closing their factory in turkey too."

There is no Turkish or Japanese source for this. Only Justin Tomlinson. He could be right but you have been saying wait for the official Honda announcement about Swindon...

You haven't really addressed the point though. You made a different one.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving".

The great hope of leavers. .... “come on, don’t let this company leaving/closing be down to Brexit. Fingers and toes crossed”.

If it turns out this instance that it’s not Brexit related, will that be considered a victory by brexiteers?

The point is, that the most positive thing we hear about Brexit is that when a company leaves, Brexit is only partly responsible.

So we’re back to the best possible argument for Brexit, is that some companies who are leaving might not have Brexit as one of the main reasons. Brilliant. "

Ok if you want to expand the discussion to all businesses in the UK, then overall employment is at a record high level in the UK and unemployment is at its lowest level since the 1970's.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Well another one for the brexiters to be pleased about. They will be able to celebrate all the losses on March 29th. "
Honda have stated this has nothing to do with Brexit there is a world downturn.

More crap from remoaners

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over a year ago

"mate the whole thread is about honda leaving the tittle gives it away."

You’re the one who expanded the discussion. No need to get cross.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving".

The great hope of leavers. .... “come on, don’t let this company leaving/closing be down to Brexit. Fingers and toes crossed”.

If it turns out this instance that it’s not Brexit related, will that be considered a victory by brexiteers?

That's how you view the world. Not everyone does. That is an emotional view of what you would do, not a business one.

Did you read the first part?

They have invested over £1.2bn in Swindon.

Again, it makes no sense for them to move production for the almost exclusively sold Civic unless cost per unit increased significantly i.e. a tariff barrier.

It would not have happened anyway.If this is the case please explain why they are closing their factory in turkey too.

There is no Turkish or Japanese source for this. Only Justin Tomlinson. He could be right but you have been saying wait for the official Honda announcement about Swindon...

You haven't really addressed the point though. You made a different one."
addressed which point?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving".

The great hope of leavers. .... “come on, don’t let this company leaving/closing be down to Brexit. Fingers and toes crossed”.

If it turns out this instance that it’s not Brexit related, will that be considered a victory by brexiteers?

The point is, that the most positive thing we hear about Brexit is that when a company leaves, Brexit is only partly responsible.

So we’re back to the best possible argument for Brexit, is that some companies who are leaving might not have Brexit as one of the main reasons. Brilliant.

Ok if you want to expand the discussion to all businesses in the UK, then overall employment is at a record high level in the UK and unemployment is at its lowest level since the 1970's. "

Great, zero hour contracts. Yay.

Besides, imagine how many more jobs there would be without all these businesses leaving.

I mean are you genuinely arguing that Brexit is a good thing for the country. Despite there being literally zero evidence?

It’s the same as trying to discuss religion, there is no evidence of a god, but people believe it anyway.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"mate the whole thread is about honda leaving the tittle gives it away.

You’re the one who expanded the discussion. No need to get cross. "
Not getting angry

where did i expand the discussion ? just been talking about honda.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving".

The great hope of leavers. .... “come on, don’t let this company leaving/closing be down to Brexit. Fingers and toes crossed”.

If it turns out this instance that it’s not Brexit related, will that be considered a victory by brexiteers?

The point is, that the most positive thing we hear about Brexit is that when a company leaves, Brexit is only partly responsible.

So we’re back to the best possible argument for Brexit, is that some companies who are leaving might not have Brexit as one of the main reasons. Brilliant.

Ok if you want to expand the discussion to all businesses in the UK, then overall employment is at a record high level in the UK and unemployment is at its lowest level since the 1970's. "

Is this your statistic of the day?

So you get it sent to you from Brexit central office?

Working one hour a week counts as employed.

Retail spending is falling.

Food bank use is still at a high.

That doesn't point to lots of people working in good jobs that pay the bills.

People are still angry about austerity continuing to bite.

Income tax receipts have fallen.

What does that tell you?

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving".

The great hope of leavers. .... “come on, don’t let this company leaving/closing be down to Brexit. Fingers and toes crossed”.

If it turns out this instance that it’s not Brexit related, will that be considered a victory by brexiteers?

That's how you view the world. Not everyone does. That is an emotional view of what you would do, not a business one.

Did you read the first part?

They have invested over £1.2bn in Swindon.

Again, it makes no sense for them to move production for the almost exclusively sold Civic unless cost per unit increased significantly i.e. a tariff barrier.

It would not have happened anyway.If this is the case please explain why they are closing their factory in turkey too.

There is no Turkish or Japanese source for this. Only Justin Tomlinson. He could be right but you have been saying wait for the official Honda announcement about Swindon...

You haven't really addressed the point though. You made a different one.addressed which point?"

"They have invested over £1.2bn in Swindon.

Again, it makes no sense for them to move production for the almost exclusively sold in Europe Civic unless cost per unit increased significantly i.e. a tariff barrier"

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving".

The great hope of leavers. .... “come on, don’t let this company leaving/closing be down to Brexit. Fingers and toes crossed”.

If it turns out this instance that it’s not Brexit related, will that be considered a victory by brexiteers?

That's how you view the world. Not everyone does. That is an emotional view of what you would do, not a business one.

Did you read the first part?

They have invested over £1.2bn in Swindon.

Again, it makes no sense for them to move production for the almost exclusively sold Civic unless cost per unit increased significantly i.e. a tariff barrier.

It would not have happened anyway.If this is the case please explain why they are closing their factory in turkey too.

There is no Turkish or Japanese source for this. Only Justin Tomlinson. He could be right but you have been saying wait for the official Honda announcement about Swindon...

You haven't really addressed the point though. You made a different one."
he is going to look very foolish if he hasnt spoken to the business secretary and honda like he claims.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If FTAs mean companies take their business back home, does that mean there’s gonna be a load of US businesses going home once we sign the deal Trump is offering us.

Wait, is that why he is offering us a deal ?

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

Just to put this into the thread. Honda gave a profit warning for the coming year in April 2018. It is implementing measures to mitigate massive currency fluctuations, a $700bn drop in profits and competition from China and the US. Mazda also gave a similar outlook. Brexit no doubt plays a part but the market and global economics probably more so.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-honda-results/japans-honda-mazda-issue-profit-warnings-as-yen-rise-clouds-outlook-idUSKBN1HY0MH

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

"Is this about Brexit?

In a tweet, Mr Tomlinson said: "Honda are clear this is based on global trends and not Brexit, as all European market production will consolidate in Japan in 2021."

The car industry has also been struggling with falling demand in China and a slowdown in diesel sales.

The new all singing all dancing Japan/EU trade deal that remoaners like to crow about means Japanese manufacturers like Honda no longer need a production facility in Europe. "

You mean the deal that we are trying desperately to replicate with japan?

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

"North Swindon MP Justin Tomlinson has said Honda's decision to close it's Swindon plant are "based on global trends and not brexit". "

It's rather telling that Mr Tomlinson, rampant Brexshiteer, is spending his time saying it's not Brexit rather than trying to reassure his constituents that they won't be fucked over. Looks like an MP who knows that his electors are going to punish him as soon as they get the chance

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving".

The great hope of leavers. .... “come on, don’t let this company leaving/closing be down to Brexit. Fingers and toes crossed”.

If it turns out this instance that it’s not Brexit related, will that be considered a victory by brexiteers?

That's how you view the world. Not everyone does. That is an emotional view of what you would do, not a business one.

Did you read the first part?

So will they be shutting all their overseas plants? That's the logic of your analysis

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

"typical of remainers on this site,why not wait until honda release a statement to see why? instead of "great another thing to moan about leaving".

The great hope of leavers. .... “come on, don’t let this company leaving/closing be down to Brexit. Fingers and toes crossed”.

If it turns out this instance that it’s not Brexit related, will that be considered a victory by brexiteers?

The point is, that the most positive thing we hear about Brexit is that when a company leaves, Brexit is only partly responsible.

Remainers aren’t saying it. The businesses themselves are saying it. You’re choosing to go on belief over evidence based reasoning.

Honda haven't actually released an official company statement yet. "

So why are you quoting an MP who is basing his analysis on the square root of damn all?

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

"Well another one for the brexiters to be pleased about. They will be able to celebrate all the losses on March 29th. Honda have stated this has nothing to do with Brexit there is a world downturn.

More crap from remoaners"

Theyve said nothing at all as yet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well another one for the brexiters to be pleased about. They will be able to celebrate all the losses on March 29th. Honda have stated this has nothing to do with Brexit there is a world downturn.

More crap from remoaners

Theyve said nothing at all as yet"

They think it's all over, it is now as Honda has confirmed it!

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Yep and nothing to do with brexit so all you remainers gloating over New ammunition for your cause can now look for something else. It's the workers of Swindon I feel sorry for.

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over a year ago

"Yep and nothing to do with brexit so all you remainers gloating over New ammunition for your cause can now look for something else. It's the workers of Swindon I feel sorry for. "

Disagree "nothing to do", Brexit was a "factor " - and guess what- the American factory is going to take up some of the slack!

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So climate change and electrification of vehicles is a factor.What do our right wing climate change deniers think of that..More leftists climate propaganda altering the car industry

And I don't believe for one minute brexit wasn't a factor...

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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago

Grantham

"Yep and nothing to do with brexit so all you remainers gloating over New ammunition for your cause can now look for something else. It's the workers of Swindon I feel sorry for.

Disagree "nothing to do", Brexit was a "factor " - and guess what- the American factory is going to take up some of the slack!"

Due to proposed tariffs on European manufactured cars being imported into the USA.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Japan is, in effect, moving into the single market while the UK is leaving it.

It’s not a difficult connection to make.

The UK is moving from a $20 trillion economy to a $3 trillion economy surrounded by trade walls.

Japan is moving in the opposite direction.

When you realise how little of British industry is owned by British capital, you also realise what a catastrophic error Brexit is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So climate change and electrification of vehicles is a factor.What do our right wing climate change deniers think of that..More leftists climate propaganda altering the car industry

And I don't believe for one minute brexit wasn't a factor...

Brexiteers say FLY BMI'S own statement citing Brexit as a major factor for its closure is bullshit so I don't think it's unreasonable to call Honda's statement as bullshit either

Brexit, onwards & upwards, or maybe downwards

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over a year ago

"Yep and nothing to do with brexit so all you remainers gloating over New ammunition for your cause can now look for something else. It's the workers of Swindon I feel sorry for. "

Brexiteer suddenly cares about workers.

No remainer is gloating about job losses here, we voted to stay in the EU and be a prosperous country remember?

Seeing as you lot voted to send this country down the toilet, what do we have left but to constantly point it out and make fun of you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So climate change and electrification of vehicles is a factor.What do our right wing climate change deniers think of that..More leftists climate propaganda altering the car industry

And I don't believe for one minute brexit wasn't a factor...

Brexiteers say FLY BMI'S own statement citing Brexit as a major factor for its closure is bullshit so I don't think it's unreasonable to call Honda's statement as bullshit either

Brexit, onwards & upwards, or maybe downwards

Standard brexiteer stance is to call bullshit on pretty much everything that’s happening in the country for the last 3 years.

It’s like the knight from Monty Python “you’ve only got one arm left”, “no I haven’t”.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"Yep and nothing to do with brexit so all you remainers gloating over New ammunition for your cause can now look for something else. It's the workers of Swindon I feel sorry for. "

No. Fuck off. It is your “cause” to leave the EU. This mess is on you and all those that voted the leave the EU. Don’t try to turn this around to blame on those that voted to remain.

-Matt

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over a year ago

"Yep and nothing to do with brexit so all you remainers gloating over New ammunition for your cause can now look for something else. It's the workers of Swindon I feel sorry for.

No. Fuck off. It is your “cause” to leave the EU. This mess is on you and all those that voted the leave the EU. Don’t try to turn this around to blame on those that voted to remain.

-Matt"

This

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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago

Grantham

Honda is also ending production in Turkey but leaving options open there in case they need to build something else there after 2022.

Now that Japan is getting a FTA with Europe, its now Japanese jobs for Japanese people.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Yep and nothing to do with brexit so all you remainers gloating over New ammunition for your cause can now look for something else. It's the workers of Swindon I feel sorry for.

No. Fuck off. It is your “cause” to leave the EU. This mess is on you and all those that voted the leave the EU. Don’t try to turn this around to blame on those that voted to remain.

-Matt"
Matt calm down this mess has nothing to do with leaving it has come straight from the horses mouth they would have left which ever way the vote went so not trying to turn it around .

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over a year ago

"Yep and nothing to do with brexit so all you remainers gloating over New ammunition for your cause can now look for something else. It's the workers of Swindon I feel sorry for.

No. Fuck off. It is your “cause” to leave the EU. This mess is on you and all those that voted the leave the EU. Don’t try to turn this around to blame on those that voted to remain.

-MattMatt calm down this mess has nothing to do with leaving it has come straight from the horses mouth they would have left which ever way the vote went so not trying to turn it around ."

Funny how you believe this horses mouth, but disregard all the others. Your pro Brexit bias is obvious.

Ever think that maybe they still want to sell cars to Brexiteers after Brexit, if anyone has any money left, and so don’t want to publicly politicise their decision to pack up and leave?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Yep and nothing to do with brexit so all you remainers gloating over New ammunition for your cause can now look for something else. It's the workers of Swindon I feel sorry for.

No. Fuck off. It is your “cause” to leave the EU. This mess is on you and all those that voted the leave the EU. Don’t try to turn this around to blame on those that voted to remain.

-MattMatt calm down this mess has nothing to do with leaving it has come straight from the horses mouth they would have left which ever way the vote went so not trying to turn it around .

Funny how you believe this horses mouth, but disregard all the others. Your pro Brexit bias is obvious.

Ever think that maybe they still want to sell cars to Brexiteers after Brexit, if anyone has any money left, and so don’t want to publicly politicise their decision to pack up and leave? "
Funny how you dont believe them just because it suits your agenda.

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

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"Yep and nothing to do with brexit so all you remainers gloating over New ammunition for your cause can now look for something else. It's the workers of Swindon I feel sorry for.

No. Fuck off. It is your “cause” to leave the EU. This mess is on you and all those that voted the leave the EU. Don’t try to turn this around to blame on those that voted to remain.

-MattMatt calm down this mess has nothing to do with leaving it has come straight from the horses mouth they would have left which ever way the vote went so not trying to turn it around ."

Even if Honda's decision has nothing to do with Brexit - which I don't believe - the list of companies leaving the uk because of Brexit, moving their HQ and huge amount of assets is getting longer and longer. How much longer can Brexiteers be in denial over the economic drain?

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Yep and nothing to do with brexit so all you remainers gloating over New ammunition for your cause can now look for something else. It's the workers in Swindon I feel sorry for. "

Fair enough. I will take Honda's statement at face value.

Don't tell me that I'm gloating though. That is just demonising me or anyone else so that you can dismiss arguments. Just like calling anyone who voted remain or continues to object to Brexit as a "traitor".

However, if I take what Honda says to be true will you take what Nissan, BMI, JLR, Airbus and the NFU as true or can you find reasons to disregard their opinions?

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over a year ago

"Yep and nothing to do with brexit so all you remainers gloating over New ammunition for your cause can now look for something else. It's the workers of Swindon I feel sorry for.

No. Fuck off. It is your “cause” to leave the EU. This mess is on you and all those that voted the leave the EU. Don’t try to turn this around to blame on those that voted to remain.

-MattMatt calm down this mess has nothing to do with leaving it has come straight from the horses mouth they would have left which ever way the vote went so not trying to turn it around .

Funny how you believe this horses mouth, but disregard all the others. Your pro Brexit bias is obvious.

Ever think that maybe they still want to sell cars to Brexiteers after Brexit, if anyone has any money left, and so don’t want to publicly politicise their decision to pack up and leave? Funny how you dont believe them just because it suits your agenda."

I didn’t say I don’t believe them. Try to focus.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Yep and nothing to do with brexit so all you remainers gloating over New ammunition for your cause can now look for something else. It's the workers of Swindon I feel sorry for.

No. Fuck off. It is your “cause” to leave the EU. This mess is on you and all those that voted the leave the EU. Don’t try to turn this around to blame on those that voted to remain.

-MattMatt calm down this mess has nothing to do with leaving it has come straight from the horses mouth they would have left which ever way the vote went so not trying to turn it around .

Funny how you believe this horses mouth, but disregard all the others. Your pro Brexit bias is obvious.

Ever think that maybe they still want to sell cars to Brexiteers after Brexit, if anyone has any money left, and so don’t want to publicly politicise their decision to pack up and leave? Funny how you dont believe them just because it suits your agenda.

I didn’t say I don’t believe them. Try to focus. "
Of course they will still want to sell cars to us but if you are right and they dont want to "publicly politicize" their decision to leave why are they closing their factory in turkey? i would have thought if brexit was the reason they would be expanding capacity in turkey to make up the shortfall.Or could it be for the reasons they have stated?

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over a year ago

Well Porsche are warning that their prices are going to increase by 10%!

So is this for the liberal elites, or conservative elites, or just the elites?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Well Porsche are warning that their prices are going to increase by 10%!

So is this for the liberal elites, or conservative elites, or just the elites?"
guess if you can afford one and afford to run it ,it wont make much difference.

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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago

Grantham

"Well Porsche are warning that their prices are going to increase by 10%!

So is this for the liberal elites, or conservative elites, or just the elites?"

Porsche have actually said that they are asking UK customers placing orders from now on, that they have to agree to pay any tariff that "might" be applied after March 29th.

This tariff is anticipated to be on the region of 10%.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Well Porsche are warning that their prices are going to increase by 10%!

So is this for the liberal elites, or conservative elites, or just the elites?guess if you can afford one and afford to run it ,it wont make much difference."

That is the point remainers keep making when I've pointed out that UK sports car manufacturer McLaren just had their best ever year for car sales in 2018. If you could afford a Porsche or a McLaren then price is not really an issue.

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over a year ago

"Well Porsche are warning that their prices are going to increase by 10%!

So is this for the liberal elites, or conservative elites, or just the elites?guess if you can afford one and afford to run it ,it wont make much difference.

It’s also the point some have made about BMW. While not in the same class the higher up you go, the more you don’t feel tarrifs. And so BMW May be less worried about brexit than hond and Nissan and Toyota

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over a year ago

"Well Porsche are warning that their prices are going to increase by 10%!

So is this for the liberal elites, or conservative elites, or just the elites?"

Good

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Well Porsche are warning that their prices are going to increase by 10%!

So is this for the liberal elites, or conservative elites, or just the elites?guess if you can afford one and afford to run it ,it wont make much difference.

McLaren sell most of their cars to the Middle East.....

In the uk last year Porsche sold somewhere around 10000... mclaren sold 300

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"Well Porsche are warning that their prices are going to increase by 10%!

So is this for the liberal elites, or conservative elites, or just the elites?guess if you can afford one and afford to run it ,it wont make much difference.

McLaren sell most of their cars to the Middle East.....

In the uk last year Porsche sold somewhere around 10000... mclaren sold 300"

When Brexit becomes a tsunami of economic bad news, the believers will clutch at whatever straw they can find to keep faith with the ideological unicorn.

Blue passports, anyone?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder what now those who voted for brexit think and work in a factory in Swindon? Are they happy about brexit? Don't think so.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"I wonder what now those who voted for brexit think and work in a factory in Swindon? Are they happy about brexit? Don't think so. "

Ian Howells, senior vice-president for Honda in Europe, told the BBC: "We're seeing unprecedented change in the industry on a global scale. We have to move very swiftly to electrification of our vehicles because of demand of our customers and legislation.

"This is not a Brexit-related issue for us, it's being made on the global-related changes I've spoken about.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

In a country as divided as the UK, any business that wants to continue selling its product here is going to avoid saying anything that results in 50% of potential customers boycotting their product.

Brexit is a morass.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"I wonder what now those who voted for brexit think and work in a factory in Swindon? Are they happy about brexit? Don't think so.

"This is not a Brexit-related issue for us, it's being made on the global-related changes I've spoken about."

That is fine and I believe them in what they say... but the point also being made is that if BMI say that brexit uncertainty was a factor in their demise, why are brexiteers so keen to rush to believe one... but not the other...

Or is it only certain stuff you believe in which case you do leave yourself open to being labelled hypocritical....

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"I wonder what now those who voted for brexit think and work in a factory in Swindon? Are they happy about brexit? Don't think so.

"This is not a Brexit-related issue for us, it's being made on the global-related changes I've spoken about."
It doesnt matter how many times you repeat it some people think everything is brexit related.I have give up now its like banging your head on a brick wall.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"I wonder what now those who voted for brexit think and work in a factory in Swindon? Are they happy about brexit? Don't think so.

"This is not a Brexit-related issue for us, it's being made on the global-related changes I've spoken about.

Or is it only certain stuff you believe in which case you do leave yourself open to being labelled hypocritical...."
Fabio you are an intelligent guy you must see that bmi could not continue even if we stayed in the eu.Small airlines are failing all over europe the model no longer works.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

BREXIT is being treated as a political football, and as well as politicians, businesses are regularly kicking it down the road.

It would have been so easy for Honda UK to blame 3000 + redundancies on “the uncertainties about BREXIT.” But they chose to explain themselves properly, instead of choosing the easy option. It is good that they told the truth, instead of trying to make excuses when they are about to make so many people unemployed.

But then Honda were always more classy than Nissan...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Brexiters will always be denial .To the bitter catastrophic end..We could could lose 100.000 jobs and they wouldn't flinch...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We could lose 100 000 jobs and the remoaner will automatically start shouting about it being BREXITs fault. Even when it is not, like in this case when it isn’t...

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over a year ago

"We could lose 100 000 jobs and the remoaner will automatically start shouting about it being BREXITs fault. Even when it is not, like in this case when it isn’t..."

You’ve just proved his point. Haha. Best post ever.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dropped my ice-cream on the carpet last night! All because of Brexit!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We could lose 100 000 jobs and the remoaner will automatically start shouting about it being BREXITs fault. Even when it is not, like in this case when it isn’t...

You’ve just proved his point. Haha. Best post ever. "

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Brexiters will always be denial .To the bitter catastrophic end..We could could lose 100.000 jobs and they wouldn't flinch...

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Funny it was just announced today that there is record employment since 1976 wonder if thats due to brexit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What a load of bollocks!

Honda have said the move is not because of BREXIT. Therefore it is not because of BREXIT! Sure there are always going to be shitstains that will stick their fingers in their ears and scream about BREXIT being the cause of WW3 and Armageddon. Remoaners still think they will win the argument, and Ms May must be helping them no end.

But in this instance, please refer to Honda UK’s statement. It is not because of BREXIT this time.

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over a year ago

"Brexiters will always be denial .To the bitter catastrophic end..We could could lose 100.000 jobs and they wouldn't flinch...

Funny it was just announced today that there is record employment since 1976 wonder if thats due to brexit.

Let me guess it's proof that project fear from the remoaners is a lie and brexit will deliver 100% employment by the time we leave..

Use the figures how you want to promote brexit..

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"What a load of bollocks!

But in this instance, please refer to Honda UK’s statement. It is not because of BREXIT this time."

Nissan and BMI have said their decisions were in part due to do with Brexit.

So, are their decisions partly do to Brexit or not?

Are Airbus, JLR and the NFU to believes when they warn against a hard Brexit or not?

Is it only true if a company says a decision was nothing to do with Brexit?

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Brexiters will always be denial .To the bitter catastrophic end..We could could lose 100.000 jobs and they wouldn't flinch...

Funny it was just announced today that there is record employment since 1976 wonder if thats due to brexit.

Once again, working one hour per week counts as being employed in the statistics.

Income tax receipts have fallen, food Bank use is at a record high and retail spending has fallen.

What does that tell you about the employment figures independently of any Brexit relationship?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why would Honda say it was because of brexit ? What benefit would it have, even if it did play a part

If we treat BMi with cynicism, then we should do the same here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What a load of bollocks!

But in this instance, please refer to Honda UK’s statement. It is not because of BREXIT this time.

Nissan and BMI have said their decisions were in part due to do with Brexit.

So, are their decisions partly do to Brexit or not?

Are Airbus, JLR and the NFU to believes when they warn against a hard Brexit or not?

Is it only true if a company says a decision was nothing to do with Brexit?"

This is about Honda, what part of that are remoaners finding difficult?

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"BREXIT is being treated as a political football, and as well as politicians, businesses are regularly kicking it down the road.

But then Honda were always more classy than Nissan..."

But wasn't Brexit supposed to be about making the UK an attractive place to invest? Free of the shackles of the EU it was supposed to be about investing in a modern, outward-looking country that was "open for business." Why close a perfectly good factory in a productive part of the UK just because you want to build electric cars? Do we not have the environment, resources and skills to help Honda break new ground with cutting edge solutions for the proposed electric revolution? Why are they disinvesting from the UK and not investing? Come to think of it - how many companies are making large, new investments into Global Britain?

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over a year ago

Funny how you dont believe them just because it suits your agenda."

Both sides are guilty of this being fair but one sides far worse for it than the other.

"insert remoaner quib here"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wonder what now those who voted for brexit think and work in a factory in Swindon? Are they happy about brexit? Don't think so.

"This is not a Brexit-related issue for us, it's being made on the global-related changes I've spoken about.

Or is it only certain stuff you believe in which case you do leave yourself open to being labelled hypocritical...."

Hypocritical yes Fabio, I've never met so many in one forum.

If a statement suits Brexiteers then it's true, if it doesn't suit them they either don't respond or they say it's bullshit.

Honestly I don't think I've seen one leaver have the backbone to admit anythings bad about Brexit.

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over a year ago

"Brexiters will always be denial .To the bitter catastrophic end..We could could lose 100.000 jobs and they wouldn't flinch...

Funny it was just announced today that there is record employment since 1976 wonder if thats due to brexit.

And all these extra jobs and it was still announced weeks ago the UK is £800 million a week worse off since the referendum

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What a load of bollocks!

But in this instance, please refer to Honda UK’s statement. It is not because of BREXIT this time.

Nissan and BMI have said their decisions were in part due to do with Brexit.

So, are their decisions partly do to Brexit or not?

Are Airbus, JLR and the NFU to believes when they warn against a hard Brexit or not?

Is it only true if a company says a decision was nothing to do with Brexit?

This is about Honda, what part of that are remoaners finding difficult?"

People are finding it difficult because this is the only company statement that leavers believe because Honda have said Brexit isn't an issue where as every other company that says Brexit is going to be bad for them is called bullshit by leavers.

What part of that are you finding difficult.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Honestly I don't think I've seen one leaver have the backbone to admit anythings bad about Brexit. "

Try telling a christian that there is no evidence any of their religious script is true.

They want to believe it is true, so it must be true.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Honestly I don't think I've seen one leaver have the backbone to admit anythings bad about Brexit.

Try telling a christian that there is no evidence any of their religious script is true.

They want to believe it is true, so it must be true."

Ha, had many a conversation about this to catholics that a one even said they talked to Jesus who was sat on the end of their bed

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

Honestly I don't think I've seen one leaver have the backbone to admit anythings bad about Brexit.

Try telling a christian that there is no evidence any of their religious script is true.

They want to believe it is true, so it must be true.

Ha, had many a conversation about this to catholics that a one even said they talked to Jesus who was sat on the end of their bed

It might have been the name of their dog?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Honestly I don't think I've seen one leaver have the backbone to admit anythings bad about Brexit.

Try telling a christian that there is no evidence any of their religious script is true.

They want to believe it is true, so it must be true.

Ha, had many a conversation about this to catholics that a one even said they talked to Jesus who was sat on the end of their bed

It might have been the name of their dog?

Haha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What a load of bollocks!

But in this instance, please refer to Honda UK’s statement. It is not because of BREXIT this time."

And round and round it goes.

Youre back to arguing again to the best thing about Brexit, is that some of the many shit things happening, aren’t down to Brexit. (When in reality, it is a factor).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What a load of bollocks!

But in this instance, please refer to Honda UK’s statement. It is not because of BREXIT this time.

Nissan and BMI have said their decisions were in part due to do with Brexit.

So, are their decisions partly do to Brexit or not?

Are Airbus, JLR and the NFU to believes when they warn against a hard Brexit or not?

Is it only true if a company says a decision was nothing to do with Brexit?

This is about Honda, what part of that are remoaners finding difficult?"

Yes come on, stop looking at the big picture.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"I wonder what now those who voted for brexit think and work in a factory in Swindon? Are they happy about brexit? Don't think so.

"This is not a Brexit-related issue for us, it's being made on the global-related changes I've spoken about.

Or is it only certain stuff you believe in which case you do leave yourself open to being labelled hypocritical...."

FlyBmi said it was a factor....not THE reason.

29,000 flights, 500,000 passengers.

Average of 18 passengers per plane at an average of 65% empty. A pilot, co-pilot, and 3 or 4 crew on each plane.

And you put that down to Brexit?

I would say the reason was they had no profitable business.

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By *rotic-TouchTV/TS
over a year ago

doncaster

"BREXIT is being treated as a political football, and as well as politicians, businesses are regularly kicking it down the road.

But then Honda were always more classy than Nissan...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wonder what now those who voted for brexit think and work in a factory in Swindon? Are they happy about brexit? Don't think so.

"This is not a Brexit-related issue for us, it's being made on the global-related changes I've spoken about.

Or is it only certain stuff you believe in which case you do leave yourself open to being labelled hypocritical....

FlyBmi said it was a factor....not THE reason.

29,000 flights, 500,000 passengers.

Average of 18 passengers per plane at an average of 65% empty. A pilot, co-pilot, and 3 or 4 crew on each plane.

And you put that down to Brexit?

I would say the reason was they had no profitable business.

Some said it was down to Brexit, others including myself said Brexit was a factor and indeed the final nail is what I said yet leavers still argue Brexit was nothing to do with BMI's failure.

Yet leavers still won't accept the fact that Brexit was a factor for BMI which the Brexit is best blindness most leavers suffer from.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Brexit blindness is curable .Just stop viewing the world through rose tinted glasses from the comfort of your sphincter...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder if the employees who voted for brexit and work in a factory in Swindon also think that it has nothing to do with brexit. I think they changed their point of view when an unpleasant surprise touched them. I know people who have changed their views on brexit because their companies are beginning to show problems just related to brexit and precisely this is the automotive sector.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wonder if the employees who voted for brexit and work in a factory in Swindon also think that it has nothing to do with brexit. I think they changed their point of view when an unpleasant surprise touched them. I know people who have changed their views on brexit because their companies are beginning to show problems just related to brexit and precisely this is the automotive sector."

If the Brexit voters on here are the sample we take our data from. None of them will change their minds, they will be in complete denial.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Brexit blindness is curable .Just stop viewing the world through rose tinted glasses from the comfort of your sphincter...

Or stop reading the Daiy Mail / Express.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

It is the lens through which the Brextremists view life.

How does this effect me?

If it doesn’t, it cannot possibly be because of something I voted to happen.

If it does, um, er . . . oops, maybe that wasn’t such a wise thing to do.

The Brexcrement is just starting. It will be thick and fast if the extremists get their no-deal exit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I really don't think they care and just think somehow a phoenix will rise from the ashes of our over EU dependent economy. Maybe they are right, maybe they are wrong. Looks like very soon we will all the get the chance to see this brave new Britain that Farage and his friends like Tim Martin want us to enjoy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So just to recap, Honda are a bunch of liars because they say it's not because of Brexit

Nissan's downturn in sales and less orders from china is not all because of Brexit : liars too for not blaming it all on brexit..

Yhe comments get worse n worse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People saying it’s down to the downturn in sales maybe you can explain why the factories didn’t close after the financial crash. You know when they couldn’t sell cars whether diesel or petrol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People saying it’s down to the downturn in sales maybe you can explain why the factories didn’t close after the financial crash. You know when they couldn’t sell cars whether diesel or petrol."

Are you asking me?

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over a year ago

"People saying it’s down to the downturn in sales maybe you can explain why the factories didn’t close after the financial crash. You know when they couldn’t sell cars whether diesel or petrol.

Are you asking me? "

I’m fairly relaxed on who explains it to me.

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over a year ago

"People saying it’s down to the downturn in sales maybe you can explain why the factories didn’t close after the financial crash. You know when they couldn’t sell cars whether diesel or petrol.

Are you asking me?

I’m fairly relaxed on who explains it to me."

As for my experience at Nissan, sales in other models fell, except for the qashqai. That car kept nissan going.

2nd reason wash the Chinese market.

Honda mentioned tjey were thinking of closing the Swindon plant 4 years ago but wrre looking at options to keep it

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over a year ago

"People saying it’s down to the downturn in sales maybe you can explain why the factories didn’t close after the financial crash. You know when they couldn’t sell cars whether diesel or petrol.

Are you asking me?

I’m fairly relaxed on who explains it to me."

Forgot to add, on this occasion, Chinese are experiencing a down turn, reflected in orders affecting orders here.

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By *j48Man
over a year ago

Wigan

A question for everyone who has commented in this thread

How many of you drives a Honda and bought it new?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gavin (we're going to sail warships near you) Williamson, isnt going to help much. The f*ing prick

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"A question for everyone who has commented in this thread

How many of you drives a Honda and bought it new? "
never owned one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A question for everyone who has commented in this thread

How many of you drives a Honda and bought it new? "

What does this have to do with people who will lose their jobs?

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

So, now that Honda have said this is nothing to do with Brexit, and all to do with the downturn in sales globally etc, will the people who keep gloating that "oh, another reason to berate leavers" etc whenever some bad business news comes out finally admit that the world doesn't revolved around the UK, and Brexit isn't the cause of all the doom and gloom..... I mean, ffs, I'm surprised no one tried to blame the loss of the Mars Rover on Brexit!

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"So, now that Honda have said this is nothing to do with Brexit, and all to do with the downturn in sales globally etc, will the people who keep gloating that "oh, another reason to berate leavers" etc whenever some bad business news comes out finally admit that the world doesn't revolved around the UK, and Brexit isn't the cause of all the doom and gloom..... I mean, ffs, I'm surprised no one tried to blame the loss of the Mars Rover on Brexit!

Why are they not re-investing in the U.K.? They have a good factory, skilled workers and a supply chain already in place? This is the perfect opportunity for post-Brexit Britain to make its case for attracting new, high tech production to the U.K. This is in fact, a perfect scenario to prove the Britain is open for business and capable of being outward looking, innovative and deal-making.

I mean, just why not? Formula 1 and the HQ is remaining so why not a new, innovative electric model made here too? How many reasons can you think of that have nothing to do with Brexit?

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over a year ago

We don’t need more reasons to berate leavers. There’s already too many.

If you genuinely believe that Honda closing is completely unrelated to Brexit. Then that’s cool, people are free to believe anything. The problems come when people vote on belief over evidence, facts, information and reason.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We don’t need more reasons to berate leavers. There’s already too many.

Are you saying that Honda is lying?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We don’t need more reasons to berate leavers. There’s already too many.

Are you saying that Honda is lying? "

Actually Honda cited "the uncertainty of brexit " as a "factor "!(Several factors have been prominent here).

The rationale being - you make cars of which 90% are exported to the EU where your product will incur a 10% tariff, in a market where they are not strong players is an influence you cannot ignore!

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

We don’t need more reasons to berate leavers. There’s already too many.

"Honda said the decision was part of a plan to accelerate its commitment to electric cars and was not related to Brexit."

"Katsushi Inoue, Honda’s chief officer for Europe, said the company was dealing with “unprecedented changes” affecting the industry.

“As a result, we have had to take this difficult decision to consult our workforce on how we might prepare our manufacturing network for the future,” he said. “This has not been taken lightly and we deeply regret how unsettling today’s announcement will be for our people.”

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We don’t need more reasons to berate leavers. There’s already too many.

Are you saying that Honda is lying? "

I’m saying Honda have very carefully thought through their statement and worded it as to not upset or offend 26% of the population on the uk.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Blue collar Manufacturing works are the back bone of the UK in my book if we lose any more companies like Honda who build their cars or any other manufacturing work in this counter continues it will hit everyone money pocket in the end because all the prices will go up. Too be honest I think they are lying to save face when say it not Brexit because they do not want invest in building there electric over here because cost them more then they will to pay out over here.

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over a year ago

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read between the line in want they are saying and his reaction what he does like moving his eyes and twitching his hand is a sign of mislead people

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

A factory did close in the UK shortly after the financial crash. The Ford Transit van factory closed in Southampton around 2011/12 and Ford moved production out of the UK, and out of the EU over to Turkey. The EU even gave Ford a loan from the European Central Bank to help them move out of the UK to Turkey. Let's just forget about all of those Ford Transit van factory workers who lost their jobs in Southampton and the subsequent supply chain too though, Remainers seem to want to gloss over it.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

We don’t need more reasons to berate leavers. There’s already too many.

Are you saying that Honda is lying?

Actually Honda cited "the uncertainty of brexit " as a "factor "!(Several factors have been prominent here).

The rationale being - you make cars of which 90% are exported to the EU where your product will incur a 10% tariff, in a market where they are not strong players is an influence you cannot ignore!"

"This is not a Brexit-related issue for us, it's being made on the global-related changes I've spoken about."

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"People saying it’s down to the downturn in sales maybe you can explain why the factories didn’t close after the financial crash. You know when they couldn’t sell cars whether diesel or petrol.

Any thoughts on Jim Ratcliffe?

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

Just for perspective - and nothing to do with Brexit (seemingly). There are apparently over 1000 Japanese companies operating in the UK - large and small - and between them they allegedly directly employ almost 150,000 people. Most of these companies set up shop here in the last 40 years. I wonder if all now, or soon will be, facing non Brexit related trading issues as a result of the recently signed EU / Japan FTA that is of course not related to Brexit because we will have left the EU in a matter of weeks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We don’t need more reasons to berate leavers. There’s already too many.

Are you saying that Honda is lying?

Actually Honda cited "the uncertainty of brexit " as a "factor "!(Several factors have been prominent here).

The rationale being - you make cars of which 90% are exported to the EU where your product will incur a 10% tariff, in a market where they are not strong players is an influence you cannot ignore!

"This is not a Brexit-related issue for us, it's being made on the global-related changes I've spoken about.""

Ford didn't reveal that it would close Southampton until after it got the loan!

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"People saying it’s down to the downturn in sales maybe you can explain why the factories didn’t close after the financial crash. You know when they couldn’t sell cars whether diesel or petrol.

You can't help yourself can you?

Not a loan from the European Central Bank. A loan from the European Investment Bank. £80 million.

The UK was already importing 70% of its Transits from Turkey when the plant closed.

Two years earlier Ford UK received £450 million of funding from the same bank.

You think they left for what reason exactly?

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

We don’t need more reasons to berate leavers. There’s already too many.

Are you saying that Honda is lying? "

Are you saying that BMI, Nissan, JLR, Airbus and the NFU are lying?

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"People saying it’s down to the downturn in sales maybe you can explain why the factories didn’t close after the financial crash. You know when they couldn’t sell cars whether diesel or petrol.

Are you asking me?

I’m fairly relaxed on who explains it to me.

As for my experience at Nissan, sales in other models fell, except for the qashqai. That car kept nissan going.

2nd reason wash the Chinese market.

Honda mentioned tjey were thinking of closing the Swindon plant 4 years ago but wrre looking at options to keep it

Why should Nissan continue Quasqai production in the next cycle? What advantage will Brexit give the UK?

Then we can look forward to Toyota, Peugeot and Vauxhall to close for the same reasons as you have for Honda too

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over a year ago

"People saying it’s down to the downturn in sales maybe you can explain why the factories didn’t close after the financial crash. You know when they couldn’t sell cars whether diesel or petrol.

Are you asking me?

I’m fairly relaxed on who explains it to me.

As for my experience at Nissan, sales in other models fell, except for the qashqai. That car kept nissan going.

2nd reason wash the Chinese market.

Honda mentioned tjey were thinking of closing the Swindon plant 4 years ago but wrre looking at options to keep it

Why should Nissan continue Quasqai production in the next cycle? What advantage will Brexit give the UK?

Then we can look forward to Toyota, Peugeot and Vauxhall to close for the same reasons as you have for Honda too

Brexit makes it easier to make decisions that Honda has taken, especially no deal brexit. It is logical for anyone who is not blinded and sees what is happening in the country.

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over a year ago

Regardless of if brexit did play a part, Swindon is talking brexit. Not everyone cares what the foreign ceo has to say. Feelings facts.

And if pockets of people are blaming brexit it will be interesting to see how much the media push an agenda on to their readers, or swivel to reflect their leadership.

The trouble leave has us remain “warned” this in project fear. And leave dismissed it. And because they didn’t say “but there may be non brexit closures because of electric cars” it ooos like project fear made a correct call.

Be interesting seeing how this plays out as not all remainers are as committed as here, and will have their faith tested when they see a P45.

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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago

Grantham

Ford have announced that they are closing a factory in Brazil, with the loss of 2800 jobs.

Automotive is going through a huge change, now and for the next decade. This is both a technological change and a political change, as trade wars start to bear.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"Just for perspective - and nothing to do with Brexit (seemingly). There are apparently over 1000 Japanese companies operating in the UK - large and small - and between them they allegedly directly employ almost 150,000 people. Most of these companies set up shop here in the last 40 years. I wonder if all now, or soon will be, facing non Brexit related trading issues as a result of the recently signed EU / Japan FTA that is of course not related to Brexit because we will have left the EU in a matter of weeks."

In the last few weeks alone, some big Japanese companies have pulled the plug on tens of billions of pounds in UK investment.

Toshiba - cancelled £25bn power plant in Cumbria.

Nissan - cancelled new production line in Sunderland.

Hitachi - cancelled £40bn power plants in Wales and Gloucestershire.

Honda - pulling out

That is a lot of investment and a shed-load of jobs being lost.

The UK used to be seen as a stable, predictable, even boring country to do business in.

Not any more. It is unstable, unpredictable and is knowingly pursuing policies of self-harm.

It is isolating itself economically and commercially from the rest of the world.

That might not be a huge problem if the UK had its own manufacturing capability.

It does not. It all relies on foreign investment.

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over a year ago

In the last few weeks alone, some big Japanese companies have pulled the plug on tens of billions of pounds in UK investment.

Toshiba - cancelled £25bn power plant in Cumbria.

Nissan - cancelled new production line in Sunderland.

Hitachi - cancelled £40bn power plants in Wales and Gloucestershire.

Honda - pulling out

That is a lot of investment and a shed-load of jobs being lost.

The UK used to be seen as a stable, predictable, even boring country to do business in.

Not any more. It is unstable, unpredictable and is knowingly pursuing policies of self-harm.

It is isolating itself economically and commercially from the rest of the world.

That might not be a huge problem if the UK had its own manufacturing capability.

It does not. It all relies on foreign investment.

Why should we self invest when foreigners are investing?

A wind of change is coming!

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Ford have announced that they are closing a factory in Brazil, with the loss of 2800 jobs.

Automotive is going through a huge change, now and for the next decade. This is both a technological change and a political change, as trade wars start to bear."

True. What competitive advantage will leaving the EU give the UK automotive industry?

What reason to retain car manufacturers here rather than close and move to an EU plant in this part of the world?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Ford have announced that they are closing a factory in Brazil, with the loss of 2800 jobs.

Automotive is going through a huge change, now and for the next decade. This is both a technological change and a political change, as trade wars start to bear.

True. What competitive advantage will leaving the EU give the UK automotive industry?

What reason to retain car manufacturers here rather than close and move to an EU plant in this part of the world?"

Honda are not moving to an EU plant though are they. They're moving all of their production back to Japan. Honda have even decided to close their Turkey factory as well and the jobs from Turkey are moving back to Japan as well.

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