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"Is it under threat with brexit, if so could it bring back the troubles back in the days again or would it be different today?" . OP morning,Did you know there's a politics thread  | |||
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"Is it under threat with brexit, if so could it bring back the troubles back in the days again or would it be different today?. OP afternoon,Did you know there's a politics thread " | |||
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"Is it under threat with brexit, if so could it bring back the troubles back in the days again or would it be different today?. OP morning,Did you know there's a politics thread "Yes I do, its good with different views too. | |||
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"I expect a post Brexit return of a hard border between the two Irelands will see a return of the troubles but, let's face it, several splinter groups of the IRA have remained active despite the ceasefire. "Yes. I reckon as well a harder border will be there. | |||
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"I think it already had started old troubles again. Was their not a bomb attempt about a month ago with no casualties? From what I know it was just a warning." Yes. I heard about that bomb attempt too last month. | |||
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"Personally I've thought a few times whether the sectarianism and killing between 2 lots of populace on 1 Island is bloody worth it to the United Kingdom " well say that to the families of the dead soldiers and police.Who the ira have killed over the years. Plus All the dead and living who have or are still serving in the British armed forces in Her Wars over the years. Every one from Northern and Southern Ireland have volunteered. | |||
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"Is it under threat with brexit, if so could it bring back the troubles back in the days again or would it be different today?. OP morning,Did you know there's a politics thread "was going to say that's why it's posted in this forum. But he's not here to read it | |||
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"Personally I've thought a few times whether the sectarianism and killing between 2 lots of populace on 1 Island is bloody worth it to the United Kingdom well say that to the families of the dead soldiers and police.Who the ira have killed over the years. Plus All the dead and living who have or are still serving in the British armed forces in Her Wars over the years. Every one from Northern and Southern Ireland have volunteered." Maybe you can go visit the next wave of dead soldiers & police that will probably occur if a hard border becomes a reality again then. Silly silly comment from someone who obviously cannot come up with a level sensible response in a debate. | |||
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"Personally I've thought a few times whether the sectarianism and killing between 2 lots of populace on 1 Island is bloody worth it to the United Kingdom well say that to the families of the dead soldiers and police.Who the ira have killed over the years. Plus All the dead and living who have or are still serving in the British armed forces in Her Wars over the years. Every one from Northern and Southern Ireland have volunteered. Maybe you can go visit the next wave of dead soldiers & police that will probably occur if a hard border becomes a reality again then. Silly silly comment from someone who obviously cannot come up with a level sensible response in a debate. V " wow from someone who in a debate you don't like being told anything. Fact I live in Northern Ireland. Fact am ex Army fact I have had friends family killed by the IRA. Fact me telling you about the dead of the troubles its part of your debate . So I am just reminding you that we in Northern Ireland have been in every War that your MPs have started.Every day our men and women are serving around the world.so are their lives not bloody worth it to the United Kingdom.? | |||
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"Personally I've thought a few times whether the sectarianism and killing between 2 lots of populace on 1 Island is bloody worth it to the United Kingdom well say that to the families of the dead soldiers and police.Who the ira have killed over the years. Plus All the dead and living who have or are still serving in the British armed forces in Her Wars over the years. Every one from Northern and Southern Ireland have volunteered. Maybe you can go visit the next wave of dead soldiers & police that will probably occur if a hard border becomes a reality again then. Silly silly comment from someone who obviously cannot come up with a level sensible response in a debate. " And because your MPs lossed the vote and then not being able to work out an agreement we wouldn't be in this trouble in the 1st place. | |||
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"The Northern Ideland peace process will end with Reunification of the 32 counties. Everything else has failed. It is the only logical next move." It's also inevitable and a natural progression.  | |||
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"The Northern Ideland peace process will end with Reunification of the 32 counties. Everything else has failed. It is the only logical next move." i can see a border poll happening within the next 5-10 years and the border being removed. A knee-jerk reaction from the hardline unionists might cause some violence but in the end it'll just melt into history. Then a united Ireland with it's newly found independence can find it's way in the world. An Ireland where Dublin will be the centre of Irish culture, finance and politics. Where the 32 counties will steer the future of the island into a prosperous new world..... .... ..... did I say Dublin?... i meant Brussels. Duh silly me. | |||
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"Personally I've thought a few times whether the sectarianism and killing between 2 lots of populace on 1 Island is bloody worth it to the United Kingdom well say that to the families of the dead soldiers and police.Who the ira have killed over the years. Plus All the dead and living who have or are still serving in the British armed forces in Her Wars over the years. Every one from Northern and Southern Ireland have volunteered. Maybe you can go visit the next wave of dead soldiers & police that will probably occur if a hard border becomes a reality again then. Silly silly comment from someone who obviously cannot come up with a level sensible response in a debate. V wow from someone who in a debate you don't like being told anything. Fact I live in Northern Ireland. Fact am ex Army fact I have had friends family killed by the IRA. Fact me telling you about the dead of the troubles its part of your debate . So I am just reminding you that we in Northern Ireland have been in every War that your MPs have started.Every day our men and women are serving around the world.so are their lives not bloody worth it to the United Kingdom.?" I'm saying I've thought a few times, enoughs enough and is it worth continuing down that path of sectarianism violence, not about the past like you've brought up. The irish seem to hate each other depending on which type of church they go to or which stance they have being loyalists or whatever. They can't even fucking power share once given more devolved powers... It's a bloody mess and a mess I've wondered if it would be better for NI to go it alone with Independence. They might find a way to govern themselves that way. | |||
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"Personally I've thought a few times whether the sectarianism and killing between 2 lots of populace on 1 Island is bloody worth it to the United Kingdom well say that to the families of the dead soldiers and police.Who the ira have killed over the years. Plus All the dead and living who have or are still serving in the British armed forces in Her Wars over the years. Every one from Northern and Southern Ireland have volunteered. Maybe you can go visit the next wave of dead soldiers & police that will probably occur if a hard border becomes a reality again then. Silly silly comment from someone who obviously cannot come up with a level sensible response in a debate. V wow from someone who in a debate you don't like being told anything. Fact I live in Northern Ireland. Fact am ex Army fact I have had friends family killed by the IRA. Fact me telling you about the dead of the troubles its part of your debate . So I am just reminding you that we in Northern Ireland have been in every War that your MPs have started.Every day our men and women are serving around the world.so are their lives not bloody worth it to the United Kingdom.? I'm saying I've thought a few times, enoughs enough and is it worth continuing down that path of sectarianism violence, not about the past like you've brought up. The irish seem to hate each other depending on which type of church they go to or which stance they have being loyalists or whatever. They can't even fucking power share once given more devolved powers... It's a bloody mess and a mess I've wondered if it would be better for NI to go it alone with Independence. They might find a way to govern themselves that way. " The way the north of Ireland is at the moment is the way your government and military designed it to be. You're falling into the trap of believing it was just a nasty sectarian war between two opposing factions when in truth your governments and your military were an enormous part of the problem. | |||
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"Do you think it's a coincidence that the NI assembly hasn't sat in over two years? The fact that NI has become the lynchpin of brexit and the peoples' locally elected representitives have not been able to make their case for or against anything....strikes me as being done by design rather than disagreements at local political level....just a thought " There are a few major issues involved, not least among them the language act and the difficulties with the use of the petition of concern. The language act was agreed at St Andrew's all those years ago but the DUP are refusing to implement it. The petition of concern was must recently used to prevent marriage equality for which a majority of the assembly voted in favour but the DUP invoked the poc to prevent it going through. Until these issues are addressed I can't see the assembly sitting again. The British government should be insisting on these being addressed by the DUP but that's not going to happen any time soon. | |||
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"Personally I've thought a few times whether the sectarianism and killing between 2 lots of populace on 1 Island is bloody worth it to the United Kingdom well say that to the families of the dead soldiers and police.Who the ira have killed over the years. Plus All the dead and living who have or are still serving in the British armed forces in Her Wars over the years. Every one from Northern and Southern Ireland have volunteered. Maybe you can go visit the next wave of dead soldiers & police that will probably occur if a hard border becomes a reality again then. Silly silly comment from someone who obviously cannot come up with a level sensible response in a debate. V wow from someone who in a debate you don't like being told anything. Fact I live in Northern Ireland. Fact am ex Army fact I have had friends family killed by the IRA. Fact me telling you about the dead of the troubles its part of your debate . So I am just reminding you that we in Northern Ireland have been in every War that your MPs have started.Every day our men and women are serving around the world.so are their lives not bloody worth it to the United Kingdom.? I'm saying I've thought a few times, enoughs enough and is it worth continuing down that path of sectarianism violence, not about the past like you've brought up. The irish seem to hate each other depending on which type of church they go to or which stance they have being loyalists or whatever. They can't even fucking power share once given more devolved powers... It's a bloody mess and a mess I've wondered if it would be better for NI to go it alone with Independence. They might find a way to govern themselves that way. The way the north of Ireland is at the moment is the way your government and military designed it to be. You're falling into the trap of believing it was just a nasty sectarian war between two opposing factions when in truth your governments and your military were an enormous part of the problem. " Then surely they'd be glad to get rid of us then. | |||
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"The Northern Ideland peace process will end with Reunification of the 32 counties. Everything else has failed. It is the only logical next move. i can see a border poll happening within the next 5-10 years and the border being removed. A knee-jerk reaction from the hardline unionists might cause some violence but in the end it'll just melt into history. Then a united Ireland with it's newly found independence can find it's way in the world. An Ireland where Dublin will be the centre of Irish culture, finance and politics. Where the 32 counties will steer the future of the island into a prosperous new world..... .... ..... did I say Dublin?... i meant Brussels. Duh silly me. " It has been the natural evolution of European states over the last few hundred years. Smaller ones joining together to create larger ones for stability and safety. It's why the EU, or it's successor is pretty inevitable also. There may be hiccups along the way! But the direction of travel is pretty clear. | |||
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"Personally I've thought a few times whether the sectarianism and killing between 2 lots of populace on 1 Island is bloody worth it to the United Kingdom well say that to the families of the dead soldiers and police.Who the ira have killed over the years. Plus All the dead and living who have or are still serving in the British armed forces in Her Wars over the years. Every one from Northern and Southern Ireland have volunteered. Maybe you can go visit the next wave of dead soldiers & police that will probably occur if a hard border becomes a reality again then. Silly silly comment from someone who obviously cannot come up with a level sensible response in a debate. V wow from someone who in a debate you don't like being told anything. Fact I live in Northern Ireland. Fact am ex Army fact I have had friends family killed by the IRA. Fact me telling you about the dead of the troubles its part of your debate . So I am just reminding you that we in Northern Ireland have been in every War that your MPs have started.Every day our men and women are serving around the world.so are their lives not bloody worth it to the United Kingdom.? I'm saying I've thought a few times, enoughs enough and is it worth continuing down that path of sectarianism violence, not about the past like you've brought up. The irish seem to hate each other depending on which type of church they go to or which stance they have being loyalists or whatever. They can't even fucking power share once given more devolved powers... It's a bloody mess and a mess I've wondered if it would be better for NI to go it alone with Independence. They might find a way to govern themselves that way. The way the north of Ireland is at the moment is the way your government and military designed it to be. You're falling into the trap of believing it was just a nasty sectarian war between two opposing factions when in truth your governments and your military were an enormous part of the problem. Then surely they'd be glad to get rid of us then. " A lot of them, yes.  | |||
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"Personally I've thought a few times whether the sectarianism and killing between 2 lots of populace on 1 Island is bloody worth it to the United Kingdom well say that to the families of the dead soldiers and police.Who the ira have killed over the years. Plus All the dead and living who have or are still serving in the British armed forces in Her Wars over the years. Every one from Northern and Southern Ireland have volunteered. Maybe you can go visit the next wave of dead soldiers & police that will probably occur if a hard border becomes a reality again then. Silly silly comment from someone who obviously cannot come up with a level sensible response in a debate. V wow from someone who in a debate you don't like being told anything. Fact I live in Northern Ireland. Fact am ex Army fact I have had friends family killed by the IRA. Fact me telling you about the dead of the troubles its part of your debate . So I am just reminding you that we in Northern Ireland have been in every War that your MPs have started.Every day our men and women are serving around the world.so are their lives not bloody worth it to the United Kingdom.? I'm saying I've thought a few times, enoughs enough and is it worth continuing down that path of sectarianism violence, not about the past like you've brought up. The irish seem to hate each other depending on which type of church they go to or which stance they have being loyalists or whatever. They can't even fucking power share once given more devolved powers... It's a bloody mess and a mess I've wondered if it would be better for NI to go it alone with Independence. They might find a way to govern themselves that way. The way the north of Ireland is at the moment is the way your government and military designed it to be. You're falling into the trap of believing it was just a nasty sectarian war between two opposing factions when in truth your governments and your military were an enormous part of the problem. Then surely they'd be glad to get rid of us then. A lot of them, yes. "Well they should push for Independence then | |||
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"Personally I've thought a few times whether the sectarianism and killing between 2 lots of populace on 1 Island is bloody worth it to the United Kingdom well say that to the families of the dead soldiers and police.Who the ira have killed over the years. Plus All the dead and living who have or are still serving in the British armed forces in Her Wars over the years. Every one from Northern and Southern Ireland have volunteered. Maybe you can go visit the next wave of dead soldiers & police that will probably occur if a hard border becomes a reality again then. Silly silly comment from someone who obviously cannot come up with a level sensible response in a debate. V wow from someone who in a debate you don't like being told anything. Fact I live in Northern Ireland. Fact am ex Army fact I have had friends family killed by the IRA. Fact me telling you about the dead of the troubles its part of your debate . So I am just reminding you that we in Northern Ireland have been in every War that your MPs have started.Every day our men and women are serving around the world.so are their lives not bloody worth it to the United Kingdom.? I'm saying I've thought a few times, enoughs enough and is it worth continuing down that path of sectarianism violence, not about the past like you've brought up. The irish seem to hate each other depending on which type of church they go to or which stance they have being loyalists or whatever. They can't even fucking power share once given more devolved powers... It's a bloody mess and a mess I've wondered if it would be better for NI to go it alone with Independence. They might find a way to govern themselves that way. The way the north of Ireland is at the moment is the way your government and military designed it to be. You're falling into the trap of believing it was just a nasty sectarian war between two opposing factions when in truth your governments and your military were an enormous part of the problem. Then surely they'd be glad to get rid of us then. A lot of them, yes.
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"Do you think it's a coincidence that There are a few major issues involved, not least among them the language act and the difficulties with the use of the petition of concern. The language act was agreed at St Andrew's all those years ago but the DUP are refusing to implement it. The petition of concern was must recently used to prevent marriage equality for which a majority of the assembly voted in favour but the DUP invoked the poc to prevent it going through. Until these issues are addressed I can't see the assembly sitting again. The British government should be insisting on these being addressed by the DUP but that's not going to happen any time soon. " You say the language act was agreed at St Andrew's. It was classical Tony Blair deliberate ambiguity. The wording suggested to the DUP that Westminster would look at it; Sinn Fein read it that there would be an act and Tony Blair read it as "That will be someone else's problem." I agree with your dislike of the petition of concern and the fact that Stormont will probably not resume but I blame Sinn Fein for that. (Or maybe credit them if another form of non power sharing government results!). | |||
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"Do you think it's a coincidence that There are a few major issues involved, not least among them the language act and the difficulties with the use of the petition of concern. The language act was agreed at St Andrew's all those years ago but the DUP are refusing to implement it. The petition of concern was must recently used to prevent marriage equality for which a majority of the assembly voted in favour but the DUP invoked the poc to prevent it going through. Until these issues are addressed I can't see the assembly sitting again. The British government should be insisting on these being addressed by the DUP but that's not going to happen any time soon. You say the language act was agreed at St Andrew's. It was classical Tony Blair deliberate ambiguity. The wording suggested to the DUP that Westminster would look at it; Sinn Fein read it that there would be an act and Tony Blair read it as "That will be someone else's problem." I agree with your dislike of the petition of concern and the fact that Stormont will probably not resume but I blame Sinn Fein for that. (Or maybe credit them if another form of non power sharing government results!)." The poc has value given the history of discrimination in the six counties but in this case it is being misused. It was designed to be used for issues that would unfairly discriminate against one community. Marriage equality and freedom of choice in relation to abortion does not discriminate against either. The language act issue at St Andrews contained an ambiguity only in relation to who would implement it. It is pretty black and white that a language act will be implemented but with no reference to whether it would be the assembly executive or the Westminster government. It is worth remembering that only twenty years ago the DUP said they would destroy the Belfast Agreement. Not many years before that certain senior members, and still are, were calling for members of SF to be "exterminated". I suppose we should be thankful that we've moved on from that at least. | |||
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"Do you think it's a coincidence that There are a few major issues involved, not least among them the language act and the difficulties with the use of the petition of concern. The language act was agreed at St Andrew's all those years ago but the DUP are refusing to implement it. The petition of concern was must recently used to prevent marriage equality for which a majority of the assembly voted in favour but the DUP invoked the poc to prevent it going through. Until these issues are addressed I can't see the assembly sitting again. The British government should be insisting on these being addressed by the DUP but that's not going to happen any time soon. You say the language act was agreed at St Andrew's. It was classical Tony Blair deliberate ambiguity. The wording suggested to the DUP that Westminster would look at it; Sinn Fein read it that there would be an act and Tony Blair read it as "That will be someone else's problem." I agree with your dislike of the petition of concern and the fact that Stormont will probably not resume but I blame Sinn Fein for that. (Or maybe credit them if another form of non power sharing government results!). The poc has value given the history of discrimination in the six counties but in this case it is being misused. It was designed to be used for issues that would unfairly discriminate against one community. Marriage equality and freedom of choice in relation to abortion does not discriminate against either. The language act issue at St Andrews contained an ambiguity only in relation to who would implement it. It is pretty black and white that a language act will be implemented but with no reference to whether it would be the assembly executive or the Westminster government. It is worth remembering that only twenty years ago the DUP said they would destroy the Belfast Agreement. Not many years before that certain senior members, and still are, were calling for members of SF to be "exterminated". I suppose we should be thankful that we've moved on from that at least. " What senior members of the DUP are asking for members of SF to be exterminated? I think thats garbage, certainly havent heard it and it would make the news. As regards to destroying or ending the Belfast Agreement; no doubt they said that then; they were opposed to it after all. Sadly that traitor Paisley shared power with SF 8 years later and, as a consequence, we have the impasse we have now. | |||
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"Is it under threat with brexit, if so could it bring back the troubles back in the days again or would it be different today?" The politics of NI, nobody in the rest of the UK or Republic of Ireland understands it, only the people in NI understand it. Let’s keep it at that. | |||
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"Pmsl....what a cracking general statement! Oh but please....just keep sending the money over to us. "Of course, how many billions does it take to buy off the DUP again?  | |||
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"Goodness knows! Not being a member or voter of the dup party i wouldn't know or care. But the cash is much appreciated "Do you think members of the DUP would like Their money in the form of a money shower? I am worried the TM’s arms will get tired after a bit though | |||
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"They are all as corrupt as fu*k. No amount of money would satisfy them. If there was a billion quid kindly donated by the tories....we sure as feck aint seen any benefit of it. And the money was supposedly given after the last GE....probably resting in arlene foster's bank acount....for tax avoidance purposes (taps nose with index finger) "Just like father ted, the money was resting in his account also . | |||
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"The Northern Ideland peace process will end with Reunification of the 32 counties. Everything else has failed. It is the only logical next move. It's also inevitable and a natural progression. "That is right it is | |||
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"The Northern Ideland peace process will end with Reunification of the 32 counties. Everything else has failed. It is the only logical next move." I cannot see than many people voting to have to pay for a health service. It is difficult to see how anything has failed. The majority of the population in Northern Ireland do not support the aims of terrorist organisations. As things currently stand there are many people in Northern Ireland who are proud to be British and do not want to surrender to the demands of terrorist organisations. | |||
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"The Northern Ideland peace process will end with Reunification of the 32 counties. Everything else has failed. It is the only logical next move. I cannot see than many people voting to have to pay for a health service. It is difficult to see how anything has failed. The majority of the population in Northern Ireland do not support the aims of terrorist organisations. As things currently stand there are many people in Northern Ireland who are proud to be British and do not want to surrender to the demands of terrorist organisations. " That's very true but what Northern Ireland desperately needs now is bloody sensible mature acting adults in the power sharing parties to work together and do their bloody jobs. | |||
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