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"Continued. I wondered what Russia is doing, apart from helping the Syrians obliterate what remains of the vermin in the country. It's estimated some 10,000 citizens from the southern provinces of Russia joined the caliphate. It appears Russia is happy for those citizens and their partners to either be wiped out by the Syrian forces or languish in jails in Syria and Iraq. Not the children, though. They are concerned the offspring of detained Russians will growing resenting Russia. So the children - young children, pre-teenage - are being collected by the Russian authorities and taken to Russia, presumably for adoption with a new identity. Is this the right approach? This woman from London will be the first of many to crawl out from their shitholes, I think. " Russia has plenty of homegrown jihadist .Chechenya created plenty and many come from former soviet era Central Asian states. | |||
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"Sadly these people are in the main engaged in a systematic and covert radicalisation of the youth...I am of course referring to the education department which consists mainly of radical leftists." FFS where do you get your ideas from? Radical leftists? Do me a favour and pull your head out of the hole it is stuck in and give it a wobble! There is nothing leftist in the teachings of ultra right wing conservative Wahhabi (radical) Islam. That you have been so indoctrinated by our ultra right wing media that you would say such a thing proves you're as big a cockwomble as BoJo and JRM. | |||
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"Sadly these people are in the main engaged in a systematic and covert radicalisation of the youth...I am of course referring to the education department which consists mainly of radical leftists. FFS where do you get your ideas from? Radical leftists? Do me a favour and pull your head out of the hole it is stuck in and give it a wobble! There is nothing leftist in the teachings of ultra right wing conservative Wahhabi (radical) Islam. That you have been so indoctrinated by our ultra right wing media that you would say such a thing proves you're as big a cockwomble as BoJo and JRM." Think he may have a point when the kids on strike today are singing o jeremy corbyn. | |||
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"Think he may have a point when the kids on strike today are singing o jeremy corbyn." Right, it couldn't be that our youth have woken up to exactly what a pile of garbage Tory Thatcherite neo-liberal Reaganomics are and how the Tories have doubled the wealth of top 1% while pushing millions into poverty in the last 9 years? It couldn't be that they have been victims of the Tory violent repression of the poor that has now resulted that an estimated 870,000 children go hungry with their parents relying on foodbank charity to feed them! Yea... It must be lefty teachers indoctrinating the kids, it cant be them seeing and hearing what is going on all around them and realising that Jeremy Corbyn offers a real change. Unlike brexit which offers more of the same Tory shite but with less restraint! | |||
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"Sadly these people are in the main engaged in a systematic and covert radicalisation of the youth...I am of course referring to the education department which consists mainly of radical leftists. FFS where do you get your ideas from? Radical leftists? Do me a favour and pull your head out of the hole it is stuck in and give it a wobble! There is nothing leftist in the teachings of ultra right wing conservative Wahhabi (radical) Islam. That you have been so indoctrinated by our ultra right wing media that you would say such a thing proves you're as big a cockwomble as BoJo and JRM." . My head wobbled awhile back but not the way you think. The teaching establishment has always had a left wing element to it, it's gone completely left in the last few decades and then sadly the left has run off into cultural Marxism territory. Cockwomblisim to one side if Saudi Wahhabism was entirely to blame (and I'm not saying it has no blame) then why do we see nearly all the radicals being young and almost always born and educated here?. Does Wahhabism not effect the elderly. | |||
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"Think he may have a point when the kids on strike today are singing o jeremy corbyn. Right, it couldn't be that our youth have woken up to exactly what a pile of garbage Tory Thatcherite neo-liberal Reaganomics are and how the Tories have doubled the wealth of top 1% while pushing millions into poverty in the last 9 years? It couldn't be that they have been victims of the Tory violent repression of the poor that has now resulted that an estimated 870,000 children go hungry with their parents relying on foodbank charity to feed them! Yea... It must be lefty teachers indoctrinating the kids, it cant be them seeing and hearing what is going on all around them and realising that Jeremy Corbyn offers a real change. Unlike brexit which offers more of the same Tory shite but with less restraint! " . The London bus bombers were neither poor or uneducated, in fact I think several of them were teachers  | |||
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"Continued. I wondered what Russia is doing, apart from helping the Syrians obliterate what remains of the vermin in the country. It's estimated some 10,000 citizens from the southern provinces of Russia joined the caliphate. It appears Russia is happy for those citizens and their partners to either be wiped out by the Syrian forces or languish in jails in Syria and Iraq. Not the children, though. They are concerned the offspring of detained Russians will growing resenting Russia. So the children - young children, pre-teenage - are being collected by the Russian authorities and taken to Russia, presumably for adoption with a new identity. Is this the right approach? This woman from London will be the first of many to crawl out from their shitholes, I think. " Russian children are being repatriated to relations where possible.. The Russians are right in my opinion. Theres reports of 900 British jihadists. Im interested to know of we can repatriate them all, let alone want to. My opinion is keave them over there. They made the choice | |||
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"Authoritarianism isn't always a bad thing although it's my last choice if given one. Some decades ago cults in America were quite the rage, lots of youngsters were kidn@pped back by their parents, deprogramming them from the cult either proved a very very long costly process or in alot of cases impossible altogether!. I'm afraid to say there's an awful lot of people in this country that hate this country, they hate it's history and it's people, they almost revel in anti whiteness. Sadly these people are in the main engaged in a systematic and covert radicalisation of the youth...I am of course referring to the education department which consists mainly of radical leftists." Brilliant post,it baffles me that it is allowed | |||
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"If you are skipping school to protest climate change, you are politically active, be it left or right. Nothing wrong with that. Far from it." Rubbish it is a lot of kids just having a day of school,quite happy to travel in cars and live in centrally heated houses etc. | |||
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"If you are skipping school to protest climate change, you are politically active, be it left or right. Nothing wrong with that. Far from it.Rubbish it is a lot of kids just having a day of school,quite happy to travel in cars and live in centrally heated houses etc." You do realise they are children and have no say on cars or heating? However, they may well grow up to implement more sustainable methods of both heating and transport (Which definitely exist). | |||
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"Think he may have a point when the kids on strike today are singing o jeremy corbyn. Right, it couldn't be that our youth have woken up to exactly what a pile of garbage Tory Thatcherite neo-liberal Reaganomics are and how the Tories have doubled the wealth of top 1% while pushing millions into poverty in the last 9 years? It couldn't be that they have been victims of the Tory violent repression of the poor that has now resulted that an estimated 870,000 children go hungry with their parents relying on foodbank charity to feed them! Yea... It must be lefty teachers indoctrinating the kids, it cant be them seeing and hearing what is going on all around them and realising that Jeremy Corbyn offers a real change. Unlike brexit which offers more of the same Tory shite but with less restraint! " Said by someone who voted Leave, lol.  | |||
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"Think he may have a point when the kids on strike today are singing o jeremy corbyn. Right, it couldn't be that our youth have woken up to exactly what a pile of garbage Tory Thatcherite neo-liberal Reaganomics are and how the Tories have doubled the wealth of top 1% while pushing millions into poverty in the last 9 years? It couldn't be that they have been victims of the Tory violent repression of the poor that has now resulted that an estimated 870,000 children go hungry with their parents relying on foodbank charity to feed them! Yea... It must be lefty teachers indoctrinating the kids, it cant be them seeing and hearing what is going on all around them and realising that Jeremy Corbyn offers a real change. Unlike brexit which offers more of the same Tory shite but with less restraint! . The London bus bombers were neither poor or uneducated, in fact I think several of them were teachers "You think incorrectly (and not for the first time) | |||
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" The London bus bombers were neither poor or uneducated, in fact I think several of them were teachers "The Glasgow Airport attackers were doctors. The survivor was taken to the nearby hospital where he worked. That must've evoked very strange feelings among the staff at A & E. | |||
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"Think he may have a point when the kids on strike today are singing o jeremy corbyn. Right, it couldn't be that our youth have woken up to exactly what a pile of garbage Tory Thatcherite neo-liberal Reaganomics are and how the Tories have doubled the wealth of top 1% while pushing millions into poverty in the last 9 years? It couldn't be that they have been victims of the Tory violent repression of the poor that has now resulted that an estimated 870,000 children go hungry with their parents relying on foodbank charity to feed them! Yea... It must be lefty teachers indoctrinating the kids, it cant be them seeing and hearing what is going on all around them and realising that Jeremy Corbyn offers a real change. Unlike brexit which offers more of the same Tory shite but with less restraint! " Lol by the time they grow up Corbyn will have been long forgotton. | |||
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"Think he may have a point when the kids on strike today are singing o jeremy corbyn. Right, it couldn't be that our youth have woken up to exactly what a pile of garbage Tory Thatcherite neo-liberal Reaganomics are and how the Tories have doubled the wealth of top 1% while pushing millions into poverty in the last 9 years? It couldn't be that they have been victims of the Tory violent repression of the poor that has now resulted that an estimated 870,000 children go hungry with their parents relying on foodbank charity to feed them! Yea... It must be lefty teachers indoctrinating the kids, it cant be them seeing and hearing what is going on all around them and realising that Jeremy Corbyn offers a real change. Unlike brexit which offers more of the same Tory shite but with less restraint! Lol by the time they grow up Corbyn will have been long forgotton." I think the kids of today can see that Corbyn was a cheerleader for Venezuela and backed the Maduro regime and still refuses to condemn Maduro. I think the kids of today can also see Corbyn has turned the Labour party into a cesspit of anti semitism. Former Labour MP who served in government under Gordon Brown and was in Ed Miliband's shadow cabinet Michael Dugher wrote an article in today's press saying that he was resigning his membership of the Labour party citing the failure of the leadership to deal with anti semitism as one of the main reasons he has now decided to leave the Labour party. | |||
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"The BBC in 2017 was reporting that half the estimated 850 British citizens had already returned home, where either they are imprisoned or disappear from view. If half are already back, why the focus on one particular person? IS foreign fighters: 5,600 have returned home - report BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-41734069 " . Mi5 estimate there's around 17,000 jihadis in the UK although they say it could be double, they simply don't have the manpower to track them all. It's a shame they lack the manpower, I'm pretty sure if they did they could scrutinize these peoples lives and find some dodgy shit to lock them up on. | |||
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"I get the impression that MI6 has been actively involved with some of them. That's what happens when you are more interested in regime change than public safety. " . Yes I agree, sadly the UK government have never been in it for the UK publics interest. | |||
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"Of the 100s of UK nationals involved in the caliphate, why is this Begum woman the only one to have their citizenship challenged? Is the Home Secretary grand-standing for personal approval by seeking to dump a UK problem at the door of Bangladesh? I suspect by the time the legal process reaches a conclusion, he will hope to be out of the Home Office and residing in No 10." I don't really care if Sajid Javid is grandstanding or not, he's made the right decision in my opinion. I'm over the moon that ISIS bitch isn't allowed to come back here. She should be made an example of to send a clear and loud message to other Muslims and terror sympathisers that this is what happens when you do what she did. | |||
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"So Trump has got it wrong when he says Europe needs to take responsibility for its own citizens in Syria and Iraq?" Trump can put her in Guantanamo if he likes. I couldn't care less what happens to her. | |||
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"Of the 100s of UK nationals involved in the caliphate, why is this Begum woman the only one to have their citizenship challenged? Is the Home Secretary grand-standing for personal approval by seeking to dump a UK problem at the door of Bangladesh? I suspect by the time the legal process reaches a conclusion, he will hope to be out of the Home Office and residing in No 10. I don't really care if Sajid Javid is grandstanding or not, he's made the right decision in my opinion. I'm over the moon that ISIS bitch isn't allowed to come back here. She should be made an example of to send a clear and loud message to other Muslims and terror sympathisers that this is what happens when you do what she did. " Personally I don't care if he's grandstanding or not either. However I do question whether allowing this "ISIS bitch" and other radicalised jihadists to roam the world unwatched, unrepentant, unrehabilitated and not bring them home where they can be properly monitored, possibly prosecuted and/or rehabilitated, and held fully accountable for their actions is really the best and safest thing for this, or any country, long term. | |||
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"I don’t think we ever got the fully story about that criminal who blew up the Aria Grande concert. I remember reading reports he had been working with MI6 to destabilise Lybia before disappearing from their radar." . Which was the plan of the centrists all along, neither the left nor the right wanted anything to do with conflict in the middle East. On a foot note, Gaddafi had already forewarned the EU a year before that if Libya is sacked the gate will be wide open for illegal immigration from Africa to Europe | |||
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"She left the UK when she was 15, a child and brainwashed. I find it utterly bizarre to punish a young woman with a 'life sentence' for being recruited as a teenager by radical forces. Sure you only produce only more hatred and radicalism that way. Funny thing also is that if I understood it right she's of Bangladeshi hertage but she's no Bangladeshi citizenship, so she has to apply for that first and why should Bangladesh accept her citizenship? So if the uk strips her if citizenship she's stateless which is in breach of international law. " She could have been brainwashed since birth and knew exactly what she set out to achieve. If so who is taking the blame, the parents and family for allowing her to be manipulated as her father and uncle's have all been key players in Isis marches and British hate marches. | |||
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"She left the UK when she was 15, a child and brainwashed. I find it utterly bizarre to punish a young woman with a 'life sentence' for being recruited as a teenager by radical forces. Sure you only produce only more hatred and radicalism that way. Funny thing also is that if I understood it right she's of Bangladeshi hertage but she's no Bangladeshi citizenship, so she has to apply for that first and why should Bangladesh accept her citizenship? So if the uk strips her if citizenship she's stateless which is in breach of international law. " It also opens the doors for other countries to do the same to us. Didn't we recently ship a planeload of "undesirables" back to their country of origin? What would have happened if they had been stripped of their citizenship, there would have been nowhere for them to be shipped back to? | |||
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" Funny thing also is that if I understood it right she's of Bangladeshi hertage but she's no Bangladeshi citizenship, so she has to apply for that first and why should Bangladesh accept her citizenship? So if the uk strips her if citizenship she's stateless which is in breach of international law. " I have no doubt Sajid Javid’s decision will be popular. But is it right? I have zero sympathy for the woman. But let’s assume she remains wedded to ISIS ideology. Is it better to have her loose in the world, even more resentful of the UK and indoctrinating her son with hate? I can see this being overturned by a court, and a popular backlash against the Human Rights Act if that legilslation crops up in a judicial review. There is no easy answer to this. But, given we have known for years about these people, and the UK had a military strategy to destroy their “homeland”, did we not also have a plan for what to do with the survivors when the military plan succeeded? | |||
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"However I do question whether allowing this "ISIS bitch" and other radicalised jihadists to roam the world unwatched, unrepentant, unrehabilitated and not bring them home where they can be properly monitored, possibly prosecuted and/or rehabilitated," Unrehabilitated? They have different religious views to us, extreme yes, barbaric even but to say they can be rehabilitated is questionable at best. Do you not think it would be nearer the mark to say she'd need brainwashing into a culture and belief more agreeable to us? What do you rehabilitate her to? Religion has been used as a tool for genocide since religion began but what must not be forgotten is that we "The West" played an instrumental role in creating the level of Islamic extremism we have today. The only way that "rehabilitation" can happen if that term has to be used is to remove their reasons for committing the acts they do to start with and the general reason is the West's insistence on interference & regime control of Arab / muslim countries. Unfortunately | |||
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"She left the UK when she was 15, a child and brainwashed. I find it utterly bizarre to punish a young woman with a 'life sentence' for being recruited as a teenager by radical forces. Sure you only produce only more hatred and radicalism that way. Funny thing also is that if I understood it right she's of Bangladeshi hertage but she's no Bangladeshi citizenship, so she has to apply for that first and why should Bangladesh accept her citizenship? So if the uk strips her if citizenship she's stateless which is in breach of international law. " they are going to have a hard time making this case stick for a few reasons... 1) even though she had bangladeshi hertiage, they are saying that she has never ever been to the country (which is something that would be easily provable).. she has never applied for a bangladeshi passport, and they can't strip her on the assumption that bangladesh will accept her as she would be left stateless... 2)also they are also going to point out that other isis fighters have already come back to the uk...... no one is alledging that she has ever taken part in any of the fighting, so it could be seen as being excessive because she happens to be "high profile"..... 3)the only other option is that her "arranged marriage" husband is dutch, so if they take back her husband so may be able to stay there..... but are the dutch going to want to deal with a british dumped issue..... | |||
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"Of the 100s of UK nationals involved in the caliphate, why is this Begum woman the only one to have their citizenship challenged? Is the Home Secretary grand-standing for personal approval by seeking to dump a UK problem at the door of Bangladesh? I suspect by the time the legal process reaches a conclusion, he will hope to be out of the Home Office and residing in No 10. I don't really care if Sajid Javid is grandstanding or not, he's made the right decision in my opinion. I'm over the moon that ISIS bitch isn't allowed to come back here. She should be made an example of to send a clear and loud message to other Muslims and terror sympathisers that this is what happens when you do what she did. " interesting wording there centy see.... the funny thing is..... i reckon i would only have to change 10 words in that last paragraph.... and we would be talking about your good friend tommy robinson..... I think i could make a very reasoned arguement that "tommy" is more of a threat to this country than the girl is....... | |||
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" Funny thing also is that if I understood it right she's of Bangladeshi hertage but she's no Bangladeshi citizenship, so she has to apply for that first and why should Bangladesh accept her citizenship? So if the uk strips her if citizenship she's stateless which is in breach of international law. I have no doubt Sajid Javid’s decision will be popular. But is it right? I have zero sympathy for the woman. But let’s assume she remains wedded to ISIS ideology. Is it better to have her loose in the world, even more resentful of the UK and indoctrinating her son with hate? I can see this being overturned by a court, and a popular backlash against the Human Rights Act if that legilslation crops up in a judicial review. There is no easy answer to this. But, given we have known for years about these people, and the UK had a military strategy to destroy their “homeland”, did we not also have a plan for what to do with the survivors when the military plan succeeded?" . There's is no Isis ideology, no Isis Quran, no Isis hadith, they are fundamentalists of Islam ergo they follow the fundamental teachings of the prophet Mohammed. The caliphate is alive and well, it's in Birmingham and Luton and Rochdale and Sheffield, it's in every Muslims prayers and every Muslims belief. | |||
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" Funny thing also is that if I understood it right she's of Bangladeshi hertage but she's no Bangladeshi citizenship, so she has to apply for that first and why should Bangladesh accept her citizenship? So if the uk strips her if citizenship she's stateless which is in breach of international law. I have no doubt Sajid Javid’s decision will be popular. But is it right? I have zero sympathy for the woman. But let’s assume she remains wedded to ISIS ideology. Is it better to have her loose in the world, even more resentful of the UK and indoctrinating her son with hate? I can see this being overturned by a court, and a popular backlash against the Human Rights Act if that legilslation crops up in a judicial review. There is no easy answer to this. But, given we have known for years about these people, and the UK had a military strategy to destroy their “homeland”, did we not also have a plan for what to do with the survivors when the military plan succeeded?. There's is no Isis ideology, no Isis Quran, no Isis hadith, they are fundamentalists of Islam ergo they follow the fundamental teachings of the prophet Mohammed. The caliphate is alive and well, it's in Birmingham and Luton and Rochdale and Sheffield, it's in every Muslims prayers and every Muslims belief." "Every Muslims prayers" really? Your posts never have much sense or logic to them. This is beyond even that. It marks you as a person who's views are as extreme as those you are condemning. I would argue there is no place for you in our country either. | |||
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" There's is no Isis ideology, no Isis Quran, no Isis hadith, they are fundamentalists of Islam ergo they follow the fundamental teachings of the prophet Mohammed. The caliphate is alive and well, it's in Birmingham and Luton and Rochdale and Sheffield, it's in every Muslims prayers and every Muslims belief." No ISIS ideology? There have been presentations at the UN from experts who have transcribed the ISIS textbooks. (Yes, they do produce their own doctrine. Not that I have searched for it - it’s liable to be followed by a knock at the door) One of the experts summed up their strategy thus: To create such resentment among western populations to muslims on their midst that those muslims come to the conclusion only the caliphate will protect them. It appears to be working, judging by your post. | |||
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" Funny thing also is that if I understood it right she's of Bangladeshi hertage but she's no Bangladeshi citizenship, so she has to apply for that first and why should Bangladesh accept her citizenship? So if the uk strips her if citizenship she's stateless which is in breach of international law. I have no doubt Sajid Javid’s decision will be popular. But is it right? I have zero sympathy for the woman. But let’s assume she remains wedded to ISIS ideology. Is it better to have her loose in the world, even more resentful of the UK and indoctrinating her son with hate? I can see this being overturned by a court, and a popular backlash against the Human Rights Act if that legilslation crops up in a judicial review. There is no easy answer to this. But, given we have known for years about these people, and the UK had a military strategy to destroy their “homeland”, did we not also have a plan for what to do with the survivors when the military plan succeeded?. There's is no Isis ideology, no Isis Quran, no Isis hadith, they are fundamentalists of Islam ergo they follow the fundamental teachings of the prophet Mohammed. The caliphate is alive and well, it's in Birmingham and Luton and Rochdale and Sheffield, it's in every Muslims prayers and every Muslims belief. "Every Muslims prayers" really? Your posts never have much sense or logic to them. This is beyond even that. It marks you as a person who's views are as extreme as those you are condemning. I would argue there is no place for you in our country either." . Do you know any practicing Muslims? Just ask them. It's the core tenant passed from Allah to Mohammed every Muslim should seek to live under Sharia law and eventually the whole world, you could argue about how that comes about but you can't argue about the goal. | |||
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"Of the 100s of UK nationals involved in the caliphate, why is this Begum woman the only one to have their citizenship challenged? Is the Home Secretary grand-standing for personal approval by seeking to dump a UK problem at the door of Bangladesh? I suspect by the time the legal process reaches a conclusion, he will hope to be out of the Home Office and residing in No 10. I don't really care if Sajid Javid is grandstanding or not, he's made the right decision in my opinion. I'm over the moon that ISIS bitch isn't allowed to come back here. She should be made an example of to send a clear and loud message to other Muslims and terror sympathisers that this is what happens when you do what she did. " I have to agree with you for the first time. Nothing more nothing less  | |||
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"Of the 100s of UK nationals involved in the caliphate, why is this Begum woman the only one to have their citizenship challenged? Is the Home Secretary grand-standing for personal approval by seeking to dump a UK problem at the door of Bangladesh? I suspect by the time the legal process reaches a conclusion, he will hope to be out of the Home Office and residing in No 10. I don't really care if Sajid Javid is grandstanding or not, he's made the right decision in my opinion. I'm over the moon that ISIS bitch isn't allowed to come back here. She should be made an example of to send a clear and loud message to other Muslims and terror sympathisers that this is what happens when you do what she did. interesting wording there centy see.... the funny thing is..... i reckon i would only have to change 10 words in that last paragraph.... and we would be talking about your good friend tommy robinson..... I think i could make a very reasoned arguement that "tommy" is more of a threat to this country than the girl is......." I'm no fan of Tommy Robinson but can you point out which foreign country he travelled to and which terrorist organisation did he join to partake in armed conflict for? The comparison between Tommy Robinson and this woman is ridiculous. | |||
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"Of the 100s of UK nationals involved in the caliphate, why is this Begum woman the only one to have their citizenship challenged? Is the Home Secretary grand-standing for personal approval by seeking to dump a UK problem at the door of Bangladesh? I suspect by the time the legal process reaches a conclusion, he will hope to be out of the Home Office and residing in No 10. I don't really care if Sajid Javid is grandstanding or not, he's made the right decision in my opinion. I'm over the moon that ISIS bitch isn't allowed to come back here. She should be made an example of to send a clear and loud message to other Muslims and terror sympathisers that this is what happens when you do what she did. interesting wording there centy see.... the funny thing is..... i reckon i would only have to change 10 words in that last paragraph.... and we would be talking about your good friend tommy robinson..... I think i could make a very reasoned arguement that "tommy" is more of a threat to this country than the girl is......." I’ve never heard tommy say that bombing a concert hall full of innocent people was fair . I’ve never heard him say that a barrel full of beheaded heads doesn’t phase him . I never saw him go abroad to fight against our troops either . He’s a nasty piece of work , so don’t get me wrong here . I would never say otherwise , but to compare him to her is simply wrong and naive to say the least .  | |||
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"If you are skipping school to protest climate change, you are politically active, be it left or right. Nothing wrong with that. Far from it." Ha ha I bbet ost of these kids are just having a day off,and then being piked up by there mims in the 4x4's | |||
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"bangladesh are saying they won't take her..... and as she has never applied for a passport there, the problem just landed back on javid's lap......" No one in their right mind would want her ! | |||
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"bangladesh are saying they won't take her..... and as she has never applied for a passport there, the problem just landed back on javid's lap......" Saw on the tv it doesnt matter if she did or not as her parents are from there she is a national until the age of 21 automatically .when the lawyer was ask which takes precedence his answer was whoever gets in 1st so i would say a smart move by javid. | |||
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"It's nothing more than gesture politics from Javid.He knows it will go to court and and his decision will be over ruled. But for now he gets some good headlines in the mail for the Conservatives. Getting played . "It may be gesture politics as you put it . But the fact is that at least he listens to the people of the Uk and does something the vast majority want him to do . Which after all is why we vote a party in . And that’s why Labour aren’t in power , because they don’t listen and act accordingly . | |||
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"It's nothing more than gesture politics from Javid.He knows it will go to court and and his decision will be over ruled. But for now he gets some good headlines in the mail for the Conservatives. Getting played .
It may be gesture politics as you put it . But the fact is that at least he listens to the people of the Uk and does something the vast majority want him to do . Which after all is why we vote a party in . And that’s why Labour aren’t in power , because they don’t listen and act accordingly ."I see so ..He did something you know won't happen and that makes people feel better for a few months .Brilliant
So let's be honest he did fuck all.. bar gestures that make great Daily Mail headlines but will never happen ..
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"Of the 100s of UK nationals involved in the caliphate, why is this Begum woman the only one to have their citizenship challenged? Is the Home Secretary grand-standing for personal approval by seeking to dump a UK problem at the door of Bangladesh? I suspect by the time the legal process reaches a conclusion, he will hope to be out of the Home Office and residing in No 10. I don't really care if Sajid Javid is grandstanding or not, he's made the right decision in my opinion. I'm over the moon that ISIS bitch isn't allowed to come back here. She should be made an example of to send a clear and loud message to other Muslims and terror sympathisers that this is what happens when you do what she did. interesting wording there centy see.... the funny thing is..... i reckon i would only have to change 10 words in that last paragraph.... and we would be talking about your good friend tommy robinson..... I think i could make a very reasoned arguement that "tommy" is more of a threat to this country than the girl is......." But you’re changing them 10 words, let’s stick to facts, let’s listen to her words. She believes she’s the victim, if she showed some remorse I might have sympathy. This isn’t about Tommy Robinson it’s about Shamima Begum, are you saying it’s ok for her to make the statement’s she’s made because Tommy is just as bad ? | |||
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" Do you know any practicing Muslims? Just ask them. It's the core tenant passed from Allah to Mohammed every Muslim should seek to live under Sharia law and eventually the whole world, you could argue about how that comes about but you can't argue about the goal. " I don't know why some people keep banging on about Sharia law, it isn't an actual set of law's, you know that don't you?. Its a set of recommendations that can be followed or not followed it has no real consequences by not following them. Its like making out that the uk governments recommendation to eat 5 portions of fruit and veg is an actual law that must be followed by everyone living in the uk. Don't live in perpetual blindness all your life get out there an educate your self. | |||
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"It's nothing more than gesture politics from Javid.He knows it will go to court and and his decision will be over ruled. But for now he gets some good headlines in the mail for the Conservatives. Getting played .
It may be gesture politics as you put it . But the fact is that at least he listens to the people of the Uk and does something the vast majority want him to do . Which after all is why we vote a party in . And that’s why Labour aren’t in power , because they don’t listen and act accordingly ."This is all about "The Saj". This girl is in the headlines and he's playing it for all he's worth. Meanwhile 400 jihadis have come home to the UK over the past couple of years and not a word has been uttered and only 40 have been punished. | |||
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"She left the UK when she was 15, a child and brainwashed. I find it utterly bizarre to punish a young woman with a 'life sentence' for being recruited as a teenager by radical forces. Sure you only produce only more hatred and radicalism that way. Funny thing also is that if I understood it right she's of Bangladeshi hertage but she's no Bangladeshi citizenship, so she has to apply for that first and why should Bangladesh accept her citizenship? So if the uk strips her if citizenship she's stateless which is in breach of international law. they are going to have a hard time making this case stick for a few reasons... 1) even though she had bangladeshi hertiage, they are saying that she has never ever been to the country (which is something that would be easily provable).. she has never applied for a bangladeshi passport, and they can't strip her on the assumption that bangladesh will accept her as she would be left stateless... 2)also they are also going to point out that other isis fighters have already come back to the uk...... no one is alledging that she has ever taken part in any of the fighting, so it could be seen as being excessive because she happens to be "high profile"..... 3)the only other option is that her "arranged marriage" husband is dutch, so if they take back her husband so may be able to stay there..... but are the dutch going to want to deal with a british dumped issue....." great points as always Fabio but what do you want to happen to the woman bring her back to the uk or let her rot ? | |||
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"She has Bangladeshi citizenship through her Mother. She could take that up if she wanted, and that fulfills our legal obligations not to make her stateless. Bangladesh have stated that they do not wish to let her into their country though." I dont see why it's Bangladesh's problem. She didnt get radicalised there. | |||
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"She has Bangladeshi citizenship through her Mother. She could take that up if she wanted, and that fulfills our legal obligations not to make her stateless. Bangladesh have stated that they do not wish to let her into their country though." She does not have Bangladesh citizenship. She is a UK national only. Removing her citizenship pre-supposes she will be accepted elsewhere. Bangladesh says it has had no contact from the UK and would not grant her citizenship. Why on earth would they want to? Legally, she is a UK problem. But so long as she remains in Syria and the UK continues to have no diplomatic ties with the government of Syria, the UK can just sit on its hands and say she is beyond their reach. | |||
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" Do you know any practicing Muslims? Just ask them. It's the core tenant passed from Allah to Mohammed every Muslim should seek to live under Sharia law and eventually the whole world, you could argue about how that comes about but you can't argue about the goal. I don't know why some people keep banging on about Sharia law, it isn't an actual set of law's, you know that don't you?. Its a set of recommendations that can be followed or not followed it has no real consequences by not following them. Its like making out that the uk governments recommendation to eat 5 portions of fruit and veg is an actual law that must be followed by everyone living in the uk. Don't live in perpetual blindness all your life get out there an educate your self." . Yes I'm fully aware of what Sharia is and how Muslims are set it as a goal for which to live by under the command of Allah. What next... Christians don't take the commandments seriously and aren't really commandments anyway?... I need to educate myself but you think Allah just gives "recommendations" | |||
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"She has Bangladeshi citizenship through her Mother. She could take that up if she wanted, and that fulfills our legal obligations not to make her stateless. Bangladesh have stated that they do not wish to let her into their country though. She does not have Bangladesh citizenship. She is a UK national only. Removing her citizenship pre-supposes she will be accepted elsewhere. Bangladesh says it has had no contact from the UK and would not grant her citizenship. Why on earth would they want to? Legally, she is a UK problem. But so long as she remains in Syria and the UK continues to have no diplomatic ties with the government of Syria, the UK can just sit on its hands and say she is beyond their reach." She qualifies for Bangladesh citizenship through her Mother. Whether she wants to take that up or not is entirely down to her. As long as the UK doesn't make her stateless, then we have fulfilled our legal obligations. This is the line that I'm sure that our Government is legally taking. | |||
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"If you remove citizenship from an individual, in the knowledge that they are not dual nationals, knowingly you make that individual stateless. The burden to find a new nationality does not fall on to the individual. That’s why I think that no matter how popular a decision it may be, it is fundamentally flawed. It also sends a poor message to the world about the UK dumping its crap at the doors of other countries." . I agree I'd rather give her life in prison here, sadly we'll be lucky if she gets five. | |||
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" Do you know any practicing Muslims? Just ask them. It's the core tenant passed from Allah to Mohammed every Muslim should seek to live under Sharia law and eventually the whole world, you could argue about how that comes about but you can't argue about the goal. I don't know why some people keep banging on about Sharia law, it isn't an actual set of law's, you know that don't you?. Its a set of recommendations that can be followed or not followed it has no real consequences by not following them. Its like making out that the uk governments recommendation to eat 5 portions of fruit and veg is an actual law that must be followed by everyone living in the uk. Don't live in perpetual blindness all your life get out there an educate your self.. Yes I'm fully aware of what Sharia is and how Muslims are set it as a goal for which to live by under the command of Allah. What next... Christians don't take the commandments seriously and aren't really commandments anyway?... I need to educate myself but you think Allah just gives "recommendations" "clearly your not familiar with sharia, you refer to it as law. You just regurgitate what you've been spoon fed by Hate-Mongers. sharia is derived from Islamic traditions and is a set of recommendations on how a Muslim SHOULD lead their daily day to day life, its contain boring and simple things like how to brush your teeth to more complex stuff like how to deal with your finances. Theres only 5 things that are compulsory for Muslims Faith. Prayer. Charity. Fasting. Pilgrimage to Mecca. Nothing else dispite what might have been told. | |||
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" Do you know any practicing Muslims? Just ask them. It's the core tenant passed from Allah to Mohammed every Muslim should seek to live under Sharia law and eventually the whole world, you could argue about how that comes about but you can't argue about the goal. I don't know why some people keep banging on about Sharia law, it isn't an actual set of law's, you know that don't you?. Its a set of recommendations that can be followed or not followed it has no real consequences by not following them. Its like making out that the uk governments recommendation to eat 5 portions of fruit and veg is an actual law that must be followed by everyone living in the uk. Don't live in perpetual blindness all your life get out there an educate your self.. Yes I'm fully aware of what Sharia is and how Muslims are set it as a goal for which to live by under the command of Allah. What next... Christians don't take the commandments seriously and aren't really commandments anyway?... I need to educate myself but you think Allah just gives "recommendations"
clearly your not familiar with sharia, you refer to it as law. You just regurgitate what you've been spoon fed by Hate-Mongers.
sharia is derived from Islamic traditions and is a set of recommendations on how a Muslim SHOULD lead their daily day to day life, its contain boring and simple things like how to brush your teeth to more complex stuff like how to deal with your finances.
Theres only 5 things that are compulsory for Muslims
Faith.
Prayer.
Charity.
Fasting.
Pilgrimage to Mecca.
Nothing else dispite what might have been told.
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"If you remove citizenship from an individual, in the knowledge that they are not dual nationals, knowingly you make that individual stateless. The burden to find a new nationality does not fall on to the individual. That’s why I think that no matter how popular a decision it may be, it is fundamentally flawed. It also sends a poor message to the world about the UK dumping its crap at the doors of other countries." She'll be back in the UK by xmas you watch..Javid hasn't a hope in hell of winning that court case.. | |||
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"If you remove citizenship from an individual, in the knowledge that they are not dual nationals, knowingly you make that individual stateless. The burden to find a new nationality does not fall on to the individual. That’s why I think that no matter how popular a decision it may be, it is fundamentally flawed. It also sends a poor message to the world about the UK dumping its crap at the doors of other countries. She'll be back in the UK by xmas you watch..Javid hasn't a hope in hell of winning that court case.." don’t yo think that’s sad tho bob that we can’t even keep shite out like that | |||
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"If you remove citizenship from an individual, in the knowledge that they are not dual nationals, knowingly you make that individual stateless. The burden to find a new nationality does not fall on to the individual. That’s why I think that no matter how popular a decision it may be, it is fundamentally flawed. It also sends a poor message to the world about the UK dumping its crap at the doors of other countries. She'll be back in the UK by xmas you watch..Javid hasn't a hope in hell of winning that court case.. don’t yo think that’s sad tho bob that we can’t even keep shite out like that " The rule of law is an absolute.We can't alter it when dealing with ISIS. It is illegal to make her stateless, and attempts to do so will see the Government in court. | |||
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"If you remove citizenship from an individual, in the knowledge that they are not dual nationals, knowingly you make that individual stateless. The burden to find a new nationality does not fall on to the individual. That’s why I think that no matter how popular a decision it may be, it is fundamentally flawed. It also sends a poor message to the world about the UK dumping its crap at the doors of other countries. She'll be back in the UK by xmas you watch..Javid hasn't a hope in hell of winning that court case.. don’t yo think that’s sad tho bob that we can’t even keep shite out like that The rule of law is an absolute.We can't alter it when dealing with ISIS. It is illegal to make her stateless, and attempts to do so will see the Government in court. " yep I know that bob I just said don’t you think that’s sad that we can’t keep shite out like that tho ? | |||
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"If you remove citizenship from an individual, in the knowledge that they are not dual nationals, knowingly you make that individual stateless. The burden to find a new nationality does not fall on to the individual. That’s why I think that no matter how popular a decision it may be, it is fundamentally flawed. It also sends a poor message to the world about the UK dumping its crap at the doors of other countries. She'll be back in the UK by xmas you watch..Javid hasn't a hope in hell of winning that court case.. don’t yo think that’s sad tho bob that we can’t even keep shite out like that The rule of law is an absolute.We can't alter it when dealing with ISIS. It is illegal to make her stateless, and attempts to do so will see the Government in court. yep I know that bob I just said don’t you think that’s sad that we can’t keep shite out like that tho ?" There are plenty of pricks I would kick out but the law is the law.. If we start kicking everyone we don't like you might find we are also persona non grata. | |||
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"If you remove citizenship from an individual, in the knowledge that they are not dual nationals, knowingly you make that individual stateless. The burden to find a new nationality does not fall on to the individual. That’s why I think that no matter how popular a decision it may be, it is fundamentally flawed. It also sends a poor message to the world about the UK dumping its crap at the doors of other countries. She'll be back in the UK by xmas you watch..Javid hasn't a hope in hell of winning that court case.. don’t yo think that’s sad tho bob that we can’t even keep shite out like that The rule of law is an absolute.We can't alter it when dealing with ISIS. It is illegal to make her stateless, and attempts to do so will see the Government in court. yep I know that bob I just said don’t you think that’s sad that we can’t keep shite out like that tho ? There are plenty of pricks I would kick out but the law is the law.. If we start kicking everyone we don't like you might find we are also persona non grata. "same here I’d kick all the scum that went to Syria out and I wouldn’t let the bitch back would you let her back in the uk bob ? | |||
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"If you remove citizenship from an individual, in the knowledge that they are not dual nationals, knowingly you make that individual stateless. The burden to find a new nationality does not fall on to the individual. That’s why I think that no matter how popular a decision it may be, it is fundamentally flawed. It also sends a poor message to the world about the UK dumping its crap at the doors of other countries. She'll be back in the UK by xmas you watch..Javid hasn't a hope in hell of winning that court case.. don’t yo think that’s sad tho bob that we can’t even keep shite out like that The rule of law is an absolute.We can't alter it when dealing with ISIS. It is illegal to make her stateless, and attempts to do so will see the Government in court. yep I know that bob I just said don’t you think that’s sad that we can’t keep shite out like that tho ? There are plenty of pricks I would kick out but the law is the law.. If we start kicking everyone we don't like you might find we are also persona non grata. same here I’d kick all the scum that went to Syria out and I wouldn’t let the bitch back would you let her back in the uk bob ?"Isis hate the uk but they'll never hate it as much I hate them.I loathe all religion.I think if we kick her out we have to kick out all that have any connection to terrorism.Which just isn't possible .So if she's guilty of a crime send her to prison here in the UK. | |||
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"If you remove citizenship from an individual, in the knowledge that they are not dual nationals, knowingly you make that individual stateless. The burden to find a new nationality does not fall on to the individual. That’s why I think that no matter how popular a decision it may be, it is fundamentally flawed. It also sends a poor message to the world about the UK dumping its crap at the doors of other countries. She'll be back in the UK by xmas you watch..Javid hasn't a hope in hell of winning that court case.. don’t yo think that’s sad tho bob that we can’t even keep shite out like that The rule of law is an absolute.We can't alter it when dealing with ISIS. It is illegal to make her stateless, and attempts to do so will see the Government in court. yep I know that bob I just said don’t you think that’s sad that we can’t keep shite out like that tho ? There are plenty of pricks I would kick out but the law is the law.. If we start kicking everyone we don't like you might find we are also persona non grata. same here I’d kick all the scum that went to Syria out and I wouldn’t let the bitch back would you let her back in the uk bob ?
Isis hate the uk but they'll never hate it as much I hate them.I loathe all religion.I think if we kick r rot were her out we have to kick out all that have any connection to terrorism.Which just isn't possible .So if she's guilty of a crime send her to prison here in the UK."better still let her rot we’re she is save the uk tax payers keeping her and a bit of justice to the families of the Manchester bombing she insulted | |||
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"Caliphate. the rule or reign of a caliph or chief Muslim ruler. I really struggle with why we just don't give them the caliphate they desire, it's the obvious solution." Because it’s an oil rich region. And they won’t play ball with Russia or the states. | |||
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"Caliphate. the rule or reign of a caliph or chief Muslim ruler. I really struggle with why we just don't give them the caliphate they desire, it's the obvious solution. Because it’s an oil rich region. And they won’t play ball with Russia or the states. " I thought Iran was the Shia caliphate with Saudi was the Sunni caliphate...Typically someone wants a third way to put a spanner in the works. | |||
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"Caliphate. the rule or reign of a caliph or chief Muslim ruler. I really struggle with why we just don't give them the caliphate they desire, it's the obvious solution. Because it’s an oil rich region. And they won’t play ball with Russia or the states. " . Well I struggle to understand why they pick places with no oil in them?. I mean Northern Iraq southern Syria has diddly shit oil reserves?. Venezuela is an oil rich region,, the North sea, southern Russia, mid west America... Central Saudi, most of Iran. If Isis cared about oil why not set the caliphate in those regions?. | |||
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"Caliphate. the rule or reign of a caliph or chief Muslim ruler. I really struggle with why we just don't give them the caliphate they desire, it's the obvious solution. Because it’s an oil rich region. And they won’t play ball with Russia or the states. . Well I struggle to understand why they pick places with no oil in them?. I mean Northern Iraq southern Syria has diddly shit oil reserves?. Venezuela is an oil rich region,, the North sea, southern Russia, mid west America... Central Saudi, most of Iran. If Isis cared about oil why not set the caliphate in those regions?." It's very well understood why Isis wanted northern Syria,Muhammad, said the Day of Judgment will come after the Muslims defeat Rome in al-`Amaq or Dabiq, two places close to the Syrian border with Turkey. They believe their destruction will bring about judgment day and the apocalypse. It's a death cult. | |||
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"I imagine special branch will want to know the identity of those who turned her from a schoolgirl into a jihadi baby factory." . Better send some Muslim special branch officers then, Mecca is a no go area for non Muslims. | |||
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"You think it happens online rather than in local neighbourhoods?" . No I think it happens everywhere, it happens in the mosque, in the family, in life, in the Quran, in the hadiths and in their own heads. Theres no James bond evil baddy to capture, the only way you can churn out less crazy Muslims is by having less Islam in general either by less Muslim people or a severally watered down Islamic religion. | |||
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"You think it happens online rather than in local neighbourhoods?. No I think it happens everywhere, it happens in the mosque, in the family, in life, in the Quran, in the hadiths and in their own heads. Theres no James bond evil baddy to capture, the only way you can churn out less crazy Muslims is by having less Islam in general either by less Muslim people or a severally watered down Islamic religion." Oh you’re the white power, racial purity guy. | |||
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"I have no idea where it happens. I am old enough, though, to remember the troubles and being able to distinguish between an Irish person and an Irish criminal. I did not smear all Catholics as criminals and neither do I smear all Muslims as criminals." . It's a numbers game, a certain percentage of anybody will turn out batshit nuts, if you've forced fed Islam into their heads when they go pop you'll see what we see today. By the way, there was protestant IRA members and supporters, it wasn't a religious thing but a dispute between unionists and republicans!. The "terrorists" "freedom fighters" on that occasion were against the Union and for self governance. | |||
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"You think it happens online rather than in local neighbourhoods?. No I think it happens everywhere, it happens in the mosque, in the family, in life, in the Quran, in the hadiths and in their own heads. Theres no James bond evil baddy to capture, the only way you can churn out less crazy Muslims is by having less Islam in general either by less Muslim people or a severally watered down Islamic religion. Oh you’re the white power, racial purity guy. " . Fight the power... Sadly there's no fist held high emoji  | |||
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"You think it happens online rather than in local neighbourhoods?. No I think it happens everywhere, it happens in the mosque, in the family, in life, in the Quran, in the hadiths and in their own heads. Theres no James bond evil baddy to capture, the only way you can churn out less crazy Muslims is by having less Islam in general either by less Muslim people or a severally watered down Islamic religion." Interesting. You haven't mentioned by far and away the most obvious way, which is to stop bombing the shit out of Muslim majority countries.... | |||
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"Caliphate. the rule or reign of a caliph or chief Muslim ruler. I really struggle with why we just don't give them the caliphate they desire, it's the obvious solution. It's very well understood why Isis wanted northern Syria,Muhammad, said the Day of Judgment will come after the Muslims defeat Rome in al-`Amaq or Dabiq, two places close to the Syrian border with Turkey. " I thought it said that the 2nd coming of Christ would be at Umayyad Mosque at the start of end of days. In Legend it is believed that it holds the head of John the baptist ( kilked by Herrrod ). It was once the Basilica of John the Baptist. Also it is the resting place of Saladin. | |||
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"Caliphate. the rule or reign of a caliph or chief Muslim ruler. I really struggle with why we just don't give them the caliphate they desire, it's the obvious solution. It's very well understood why Isis wanted northern Syria,Muhammad, said the Day of Judgment will come after the Muslims defeat Rome in al-`Amaq or Dabiq, two places close to the Syrian border with Turkey. I thought it said that the 2nd coming of Christ would be at Umayyad Mosque at the start of end of days. In Legend it is believed that it holds the head of John the baptist ( kilked by Herrrod ). It was once the Basilica of John the Baptist. Also it is the resting place of Saladin." End of days prophecies are two a penny in that region . Armageddon is a real place in Israel where the bible says the mother of all battles will take place at the end of days. | |||
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"Caliphate. the rule or reign of a caliph or chief Muslim ruler. I really struggle with why we just don't give them the caliphate they desire, it's the obvious solution. It's very well understood why Isis wanted northern Syria,Muhammad, said the Day of Judgment will come after the Muslims defeat Rome in al-`Amaq or Dabiq, two places close to the Syrian border with Turkey. I thought it said that the 2nd coming of Christ would be at Umayyad Mosque at the start of end of days. In Legend it is believed that it holds the head of John the baptist ( kilked by Herrrod ). It was once the Basilica of John the Baptist. Also it is the resting place of Saladin. * * * * * * * * End of days prophecies are two a penny in that region . Armageddon is a real place in Israel where the bible says the mother of all battles will take place at the end of days." Project fear in all 3 of the Holy Books then . | |||
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"You think it happens online rather than in local neighbourhoods?. No I think it happens everywhere, it happens in the mosque, in the family, in life, in the Quran, in the hadiths and in their own heads. Theres no James bond evil baddy to capture, the only way you can churn out less crazy Muslims is by having less Islam in general either by less Muslim people or a severally watered down Islamic religion. Interesting. You haven't mentioned by far and away the most obvious way, which is to stop bombing the shit out of Muslim majority countries...." . That would probably work but only because all the Muslim majority countries would end up with theocratic hard-line dictatorships. Alas the woolly pulley liberals wouldn't be able to live themselves in that monstrous outcome, religious wars have played out for the last 2000 years back and forth on both sides, it didn't suddenly end were just in another lull, this one may well be the final round though. | |||
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"You think it happens online rather than in local neighbourhoods?. No I think it happens everywhere, it happens in the mosque, in the family, in life, in the Quran, in the hadiths and in their own heads. Theres no James bond evil baddy to capture, the only way you can churn out less crazy Muslims is by having less Islam in general either by less Muslim people or a severally watered down Islamic religion. Interesting. You haven't mentioned by far and away the most obvious way, which is to stop bombing the shit out of Muslim majority countries..... That would probably work but only because all the Muslim majority countries would end up with theocratic hard-line dictatorships. Alas the woolly pulley liberals wouldn't be able to live themselves in that monstrous outcome, religious wars have played out for the last 2000 years back and forth on both sides, it didn't suddenly end were just in another lull, this one may well be the final round though." Except before various western countries started bombing the shit out of them, they mostly weren't. It's almost like extremism is a reaction to a perceived threat on their way of life.... | |||
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