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"She has lied over and over again. Nothing new there. " And held in contempt of Parliament and yet still she represents us in the most important period in our recent history. I find it incredible. | |||
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"Olly Robbins has been over heard saying May will delay to the last minute and offer a vote on her deal or a long extension to Brexit, so ruling out no deal. Whatever side of the argument you are on is it acceptable for a PM to effectively be lying to the nation? " Politicians lie on a very regular basis so I don't really get why people would be so alarmed now. | |||
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"Mock astonishment.....our political leaders lie? Surely not! Wise up....they all lie either directly, or by omission. I can list some lies and liars past and present if you like. It isn't prone to one side or another. " Of course they lie, all of them. Maybe I'm just bored of It, especially with weeks to go on an event that is going to have an enormous impact on our country. I would have more respect if May said It, "I'm running down the clock in the hope Parliament caves in as I really never wanted any if this in the first place" | |||
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"Olly Robbins has been over heard saying May will delay to the last minute and offer a vote on her deal or a long extension to Brexit, so ruling out no deal. Whatever side of the argument you are on is it acceptable for a PM to effectively be lying to the nation? " It is politics allways the same. In so many threads people talk about the honesty of polititions well get real THERE NEVER HAS BEEN AND NEVER WILL BE A TOTALLY HONEST POLITITION. The name of the game is to get the result that you want or as near it as possible,aplies 100% polititions | |||
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"Olly Robbins has been over heard saying May will delay to the last minute and offer a vote on her deal or a long extension to Brexit, so ruling out no deal. Whatever side of the argument you are on is it acceptable for a PM to effectively be lying to the nation? " basically she is trying to run out the clock so that is its basically her deal, no deal or no brexit..... the question is since her deal is hated, one side is being played to the point where her deal seems the lesser of two options, which side flinch first? | |||
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"I just wonder if there is not something else also at play here... The nations mind has been collectively focused on the withdrawal agreement to such a degree that I wonder if it is not a concerted effort to pull the wool over the nations eyes (again) with regards to what come next. The reality is that the withdrawal agreement is only the end, of the beginning of the journey to leave the EU and to stand alone. a The vagueness and contradictory nature of the political declaration means that many more months and years have yet to follow where the U.K. actually starts to try to get its future trading arrangements in place. If this chaotic end to the process that is just about how we leave the EU is anything to go by - what hope have we got that any future negotiations (which are far more important) about trade and regulations are going to be any more productive and less disruptive/destructive?" Totally agree. The EU has no incentive other than to make the process as difficult as possible to try and protect its own interests. Understandable but it is going to be 2 more years of uncertainty. | |||
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"Olly Robbins has been over heard saying May will delay to the last minute and offer a vote on her deal or a long extension to Brexit, so ruling out no deal. Whatever side of the argument you are on is it acceptable for a PM to effectively be lying to the nation? basically she is trying to run out the clock so that is its basically her deal, no deal or no brexit..... the question is since her deal is hated, one side is being played to the point where her deal seems the lesser of two options, which side flinch first?" Political brinksmamship at play. Would love to see some conclusive legal advice that we can trade in an interim period with zero tariffs within WTO guidelime a which would allow us to leave and then get on with longer term negotiations. | |||
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"Olly Robbins has been over heard saying May will delay to the last minute and offer a vote on her deal or a long extension to Brexit, so ruling out no deal. Whatever side of the argument you are on is it acceptable for a PM to effectively be lying to the nation? basically she is trying to run out the clock so that is its basically her deal, no deal or no brexit..... the question is since her deal is hated, one side is being played to the point where her deal seems the lesser of two options, which side flinch first? Political brinksmamship at play. Would love to see some conclusive legal advice that we can trade in an interim period with zero tariffs within WTO guidelime a which would allow us to leave and then get on with longer term negotiations." That's what the transition in the agreement that May negotiated allows us to do.....so take what's been agreed and stop d&cking around Parliament | |||
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"Olly Robbins has been over heard saying May will delay to the last minute and offer a vote on her deal or a long extension to Brexit, so ruling out no deal. Whatever side of the argument you are on is it acceptable for a PM to effectively be lying to the nation? basically she is trying to run out the clock so that is its basically her deal, no deal or no brexit..... the question is since her deal is hated, one side is being played to the point where her deal seems the lesser of two options, which side flinch first? Political brinksmamship at play. Would love to see some conclusive legal advice that we can trade in an interim period with zero tariffs within WTO guidelime a which would allow us to leave and then get on with longer term negotiations." people throw around zero tariffs a lot.... but i don't think people actually understand what they means... it means you would have to give Zero tariffs to everyone......... and if you are going to give away zero tariff access to everyone, then where is the incentive for anyone to do a trade deal with you, the other side already have everything they want, and you would crush uk agriculture and manufacturing and the UK would basically become everyone elses dumping ground for anything that can be produces cheaper than it can here.... | |||
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"Olly Robbins has been over heard saying May will delay to the last minute and offer a vote on her deal or a long extension to Brexit, so ruling out no deal. Whatever side of the argument you are on is it acceptable for a PM to effectively be lying to the nation? basically she is trying to run out the clock so that is its basically her deal, no deal or no brexit..... the question is since her deal is hated, one side is being played to the point where her deal seems the lesser of two options, which side flinch first? Political brinksmamship at play. Would love to see some conclusive legal advice that we can trade in an interim period with zero tariffs within WTO guidelime a which would allow us to leave and then get on with longer term negotiations. people throw around zero tariffs a lot.... but i don't think people actually understand what they means... it means you would have to give Zero tariffs to everyone......... and if you are going to give away zero tariff access to everyone, then where is the incentive for anyone to do a trade deal with you, the other side already have everything they want, and you would crush uk agriculture and manufacturing and the UK would basically become everyone elses dumping ground for anything that can be produces cheaper than it can here...." I suspect people are thinking about the infamous article 24. The one which MPs etc love to quote as our get out of jail card ... but for which I haven’t seen one WTO expert say can be used the way Farage etc want to. | |||
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"Olly Robbins has been over heard saying May will delay to the last minute and offer a vote on her deal or a long extension to Brexit, so ruling out no deal. Whatever side of the argument you are on is it acceptable for a PM to effectively be lying to the nation? basically she is trying to run out the clock so that is its basically her deal, no deal or no brexit..... the question is since her deal is hated, one side is being played to the point where her deal seems the lesser of two options, which side flinch first? Political brinksmamship at play. Would love to see some conclusive legal advice that we can trade in an interim period with zero tariffs within WTO guidelime a which would allow us to leave and then get on with longer term negotiations. people throw around zero tariffs a lot.... but i don't think people actually understand what they means... it means you would have to give Zero tariffs to everyone......... and if you are going to give away zero tariff access to everyone, then where is the incentive for anyone to do a trade deal with you, the other side already have everything they want, and you would crush uk agriculture and manufacturing and the UK would basically become everyone elses dumping ground for anything that can be produces cheaper than it can here.... I suspect people are thinking about the infamous article 24. The one which MPs etc love to quote as our get out of jail card ... but for which I haven’t seen one WTO expert say can be used the way Farage etc want to. " That's the one, allegedly allows a 24 month status quo while things are transitioned. Surely someone somewhere must be able to give a definitive view on whether this is feasible as it looks like a sensible way forward to me. Take the focus off the withdrawal agreement which is bound to be negative by its very nature and focus on a forward looking agreement in parallel without an artificial deadline which does no one any favours. | |||
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"We have had almost three years of madness. Why stop here? Let’s just carry on and wreck everything."  | |||
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"Re the Gatt24 clause confusion. If it was a possibility you’d think pro brexiteer and attorney general Geoffrey Cox would have mentioned it in his legal advice to the government." The only person I ever see spouting this possibility is Centy. | |||
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"Olly Robbins has been over heard saying May will delay to the last minute and offer a vote on her deal or a long extension to Brexit, so ruling out no deal. Whatever side of the argument you are on is it acceptable for a PM to effectively be lying to the nation? basically she is trying to run out the clock so that is its basically her deal, no deal or no brexit..... the question is since her deal is hated, one side is being played to the point where her deal seems the lesser of two options, which side flinch first? Political brinksmamship at play. Would love to see some conclusive legal advice that we can trade in an interim period with zero tariffs within WTO guidelime a which would allow us to leave and then get on with longer term negotiations. people throw around zero tariffs a lot.... but i don't think people actually understand what they means... it means you would have to give Zero tariffs to everyone......... and if you are going to give away zero tariff access to everyone, then where is the incentive for anyone to do a trade deal with you, the other side already have everything they want, and you would crush uk agriculture and manufacturing and the UK would basically become everyone elses dumping ground for anything that can be produces cheaper than it can here.... I suspect people are thinking about the infamous article 24. The one which MPs etc love to quote as our get out of jail card ... but for which I haven’t seen one WTO expert say can be used the way Farage etc want to. That's the one, allegedly allows a 24 month status quo while things are transitioned. Surely someone somewhere must be able to give a definitive view on whether this is feasible as it looks like a sensible way forward to me. Take the focus off the withdrawal agreement which is bound to be negative by its very nature and focus on a forward looking agreement in parallel without an artificial deadline which does no one any favours." It is Article 24 of the WTO's agreement on Tariffs and Trade. It actually allows up to 10 years, not 24 months, of tariff free trade. However While a “zero-for-zero” interim tariff deal may be legally feasible according to the rule-book, it is also highly unlikely that the remaining EU 27 countries would agree to such an arrangement without significant concessions from the UK on budget contributions,free movement of people and, of course, a backstop for the border in Ireland. There is also no obligation under WTO rules for the other side to agree to tariffs of zero. In sort article 24 would leave us in pretty much the same situation as May's current deal and would probably be rejected by ERG and DUP for exactly the same reason; the requirement from the EU for an Irish backstop for any agreement. | |||
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"Olly Robbins has been over heard saying May will delay to the last minute and offer a vote on her deal or a long extension to Brexit, so ruling out no deal. Whatever side of the argument you are on is it acceptable for a PM to effectively be lying to the nation? basically she is trying to run out the clock so that is its basically her deal, no deal or no brexit..... the question is since her deal is hated, one side is being played to the point where her deal seems the lesser of two options, which side flinch first? Political brinksmamship at play. Would love to see some conclusive legal advice that we can trade in an interim period with zero tariffs within WTO guidelime a which would allow us to leave and then get on with longer term negotiations. people throw around zero tariffs a lot.... but i don't think people actually understand what they means... it means you would have to give Zero tariffs to everyone......... and if you are going to give away zero tariff access to everyone, then where is the incentive for anyone to do a trade deal with you, the other side already have everything they want, and you would crush uk agriculture and manufacturing and the UK would basically become everyone elses dumping ground for anything that can be produces cheaper than it can here.... I suspect people are thinking about the infamous article 24. The one which MPs etc love to quote as our get out of jail card ... but for which I haven’t seen one WTO expert say can be used the way Farage etc want to. That's the one, allegedly allows a 24 month status quo while things are transitioned. Surely someone somewhere must be able to give a definitive view on whether this is feasible as it looks like a sensible way forward to me. Take the focus off the withdrawal agreement which is bound to be negative by its very nature and focus on a forward looking agreement in parallel without an artificial deadline which does no one any favours. It is Article 24 of the WTO's agreement on Tariffs and Trade. It actually allows up to 10 years, not 24 months, of tariff free trade. However While a “zero-for-zero” interim tariff deal may be legally feasible according to the rule-book, it is also highly unlikely that the remaining EU 27 countries would agree to such an arrangement without significant concessions from the UK on budget contributions,free movement of people and, of course, a backstop for the border in Ireland. There is also no obligation under WTO rules for the other side to agree to tariffs of zero. In sort article 24 would leave us in pretty much the same situation as May's current deal and would probably be rejected by ERG and DUP for exactly the same reason; the requirement from the EU for an Irish backstop for any agreement." My reading is it allows 10 years of essentially trading on the planned terms but without having the full treaty in place. So more an implementation period rather than a negotiation period. So we d need to know what the plan is... whixh could be a problem ... | |||
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"She as apparently said that is dismissed the gossip as purely that on the grounds that said olly was mostly likely drinking and this comment was overheard and passed on to another person who wasn't there. Suppose that is one way to duck out of the questions " Is what happens when someeone is earwigging ans only hears half the conversation 
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"She as apparently said that is dismissed the gossip as purely that on the grounds that said olly was mostly likely drinking and this comment was overheard and passed on to another person who wasn't there. Suppose that is one way to duck out of the questions Is what happens when someeone is earwigging ans only hears half the conversation
unless they have a tape of the conversation in full it's just some pap desparate to sell a story "Apparently the "PAP" is a highly regarded reporter. | |||
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"She as apparently said that is dismissed the gossip as purely that on the grounds that said olly was mostly likely drinking and this comment was overheard and passed on to another person who wasn't there. Suppose that is one way to duck out of the questions Is what happens when someeone is earwigging ans only hears half the conversation
unless they have a tape of the conversation in full it's just some pap desparate to sell a story
Apparently the "PAP" is a highly regarded reporter."By whom? | |||
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"She as apparently said that is dismissed the gossip as purely that on the grounds that said olly was mostly likely drinking and this comment was overheard and passed on to another person who wasn't there. Suppose that is one way to duck out of the questions Is what happens when someeone is earwigging ans only hears half the conversation
unless they have a tape of the conversation in full it's just some pap desparate to sell a story
Apparently the "PAP" is a highly regarded reporter.By whom?"Highly regarded? They are all bottom feeders who will throw anyone to the lions to make a living | |||
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"She as apparently said that is dismissed the gossip as purely that on the grounds that said olly was mostly likely drinking and this comment was overheard and passed on to another person who wasn't there. Suppose that is one way to duck out of the questions Is what happens when someeone is earwigging ans only hears half the conversation
unless they have a tape of the conversation in full it's just some pap desparate to sell a story
Apparently the "PAP" is a highly regarded reporter.By whom?
Highly regarded? They are all bottom feeders who will throw anyone to the lions to make a living "The reporter involved in this so called scoop admitted he didn't hear every word of the conversation. Sounds like a clear case of Chinese whispers. | |||
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"She as apparently said that is dismissed the gossip as purely that on the grounds that said olly was mostly likely drinking and this comment was overheard and passed on to another person who wasn't there. Suppose that is one way to duck out of the questions Is what happens when someeone is earwigging ans only hears half the conversation
unless they have a tape of the conversation in full it's just some pap desparate to sell a story
Apparently the "PAP" is a highly regarded reporter.By whom?"Well it was on the press preview on sky news last night. Both Andrew Pierce and Kevin Maguire were singing his praises. It’s not often those two agree on anything. I’m aware that’s not enough for the internet experts and conspiracy theorists though. | |||
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