FabSwingers.com forum: What is so bad about a customs union ?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Given this is a sticking point, what’s the concerns ?

Is it just we can’t strike our own trade deals ?

And if so, other than the US and China, is there anyone else who is worth the hassle ?

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

It kind of makes you wonder why we even thought of leaving...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Given this is a sticking point, what’s the concerns ?

Is it just we can’t strike our own trade deals ?

And if so, other than the US and China, is there anyone else who is worth the hassle ?"

Staying in perpetuity with eu rules, without any say, and without being able to leave. Effectively worse than the current situation

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

"Given this is a sticking point, what’s the concerns ?

Is it just we can’t strike our own trade deals ?

And if so, other than the US and China, is there anyone else who is worth the hassle ?

Staying in perpetuity with eu rules, without any say, and without being able to leave. Effectively worse than the current situation "

Funny that isn't it, every single version of brexit that anyone has come up with is worse than where we were before the referendum...

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

"Given this is a sticking point, what’s the concerns ?

Is it just we can’t strike our own trade deals ?

And if so, other than the US and China, is there anyone else who is worth the hassle ?"

We keep paying in?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Almost three years after the referendum, and still no-one can tell you what it is the UK wants.

What a shambles!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I didn’t mean the backstop version per se. But in general. After all I think the leave campaign set out leaving the CU as part of their “plan”.

But given CUs exist outside of the EU, I’m wondering why people objected to being in this one.

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

The issue is that the big money behind brexshit don't want it as it means they can't do deals on crap goods to sell.

No one has demonstrated anything positive that will come from brexit

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Staying in perpetuity with eu rules, without any say, and without being able to leave. Effectively worse than the current situation "

If having a say in the rules of the single market is important to you, why do you want to leave?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Given this is a sticking point, what’s the concerns ?

Is it just we can’t strike our own trade deals ?

And if so, other than the US and China, is there anyone else who is worth the hassle ?"
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If your in business and got money there the greatest thing since sliced bread!.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Staying in perpetuity with eu rules, without any say, and without being able to leave. Effectively worse than the current situation

If having a say in the rules of the single market is important to you, why do you want to leave?

He didn't say it was important to him. I think he was indicating that we'd effectively become a vassel state or a colony of the EU. No one voted for that when they voted Leave.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Staying in perpetuity with eu rules, without any say, and without being able to leave. Effectively worse than the current situation

If having a say in the rules of the single market is important to you, why do you want to leave?

He didn't say it was important to him. I think he was indicating that we'd effectively become a vassel state or a colony of the EU. No one voted for that when they voted Leave. "

No one voted to be financially worse off either but that's the type of country the idiots in the Erg who want no deal are happy with.

Because it won't affect them..

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Staying in perpetuity with eu rules, without any say, and without being able to leave. Effectively worse than the current situation

If having a say in the rules of the single market is important to you, why do you want to leave?

He didn't say it was important to him. I think he was indicating that we'd effectively become a vassel state or a colony of the EU. No one voted for that when they voted Leave. "

You are very good at setting out the opinions of other people.

Why don't you stick to your own for change.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Staying in perpetuity with eu rules, without any say, and without being able to leave. Effectively worse than the current situation

If having a say in the rules of the single market is important to you, why do you want to leave?

He didn't say it was important to him. I think he was indicating that we'd effectively become a vassel state or a colony of the EU. No one voted for that when they voted Leave.

You are very good at setting out the opinions of other people.

Why don't you stick to your own for change.

Wasn't it you who was setting out his opinion for him first when you assumed it was important to him?

I suggest you practice what you preach and stick to your own opinions for a change as well.

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Given this is a sticking point, what’s the concerns ?

Is it just we can’t strike our own trade deals ?

And if so, other than the US and China, is there anyone else who is worth the hassle ?

Staying in perpetuity with eu rules, without any say, and without being able to leave. Effectively worse than the current situation

Funny that isn't it, every single version of brexit that anyone has come up with is worse than where we were before the referendum..."

Spot on!

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Lol.

Fail.

A question to elicit clarification does not set out the opinion of anyone.

Your character flaw seems to be common among Brexiteers, though.

Throughout the referendum, we were told what other people were going to do, not what the Brexiteers would do.

The EU would give us everything we want.

German car manufacturers will swing it for us.

Spain will keep all the tourist routes open.

Countries around the world will give us everything we want.

None of which was ever in your control.

You had no plan - only a set of wild assumptions about what other people would do for you.

Then the result comes in.

At this point, the only thing in the control of the Brexiteers to deliver is a No Deal exit.

Is this what they do?

Oh, no, that might actually involve them lifting a finger, instead of snapping them and expecting Johnny Foreigner to come begging.

"There are no plans for no deal because we are going to get a great deal," said Johnson.

More promises of things that were not in his control to deliver.

More setting expectations about what other people would do, not what he would do.

It is a consistent failing.

And every time it comes back to smack you right in the face.

It is a persistent flaw that is now being brutally exposed.

You had no plan, no idea - just a naive assumption that other people would give you everything you want.

And people wonder why the British were hopeless in European politics?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Lol.

Fail.

A question to elicit clarification does not set out the opinion of anyone.

Your character flaw seems to be common among Brexiteers, though.

Throughout the referendum, we were told what other people were going to do, not what the Brexiteers would do.

The EU would give us everything we want.

German car manufacturers will swing it for us.

Spain will keep all the tourist routes open.

Countries around the world will give us everything we want.

None of which was ever in your control.

You had no plan - only a set of wild assumptions about what other people would do for you.

Then the result comes in.

At this point, the only thing in the control of the Brexiteers to deliver is a No Deal exit.

Is this what they do?

Oh, no, that might actually involve them lifting a finger, instead of snapping them and expecting Johnny Foreigner to come begging.

"There are no plans for no deal because we are going to get a great deal," said Johnson.

More promises of things that were not in his control to deliver.

More setting expectations about what other people would do, not what he would do.

It is a consistent failing.

And every time it comes back to smack you right in the face.

It is a persistent flaw that is now being brutally exposed.

You had no plan, no idea - just a naive assumption that other people would give you everything you want.

And people wonder why the British were hopeless in European politics?

So very well put, and so true to.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Almost three years after the referendum, and still no-one can tell you what it is the UK wants.

What a shambles!

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To leave the EU preferably with a deal

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Let’s get back to the question folks.

What is so bad about the idea of a CU that leave made it part of their plans.

Or, if it’s easier, why do YOU want us to be outside of a customs union with the EU.

And let’s be clear, generally CUs involve joint decisions, the answer “we don’t want to accept EUs rules” does not suffice. We could have a Eu/uk CU.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Staying in perpetuity with eu rules, without any say, and without being able to leave. Effectively worse than the current situation

If having a say in the rules of the single market is important to you, why do you want to leave?

Ooo hey, theresa may agreed to a really bad deal, not me.

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By *rSinCityMan
over a year ago

London

"Given this is a sticking point, what’s the concerns ?

Is it just we can’t strike our own trade deals ?

And if so, other than the US and China, is there anyone else who is worth the hassle ?"

Trade deal with China is not an option. They low manufacturing costs would simply decimate UK's manufacturing sector. That is why USA does not even try to sign FTA with China, they even increase tariffs on chinese goods.

Only option is UK-USA trade deal that would at least try to compensate loss of EU market to some extent. However I think USA will simply roll over UK with their version of a trade deal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Given this is a sticking point, what’s the concerns ?

Is it just we can’t strike our own trade deals ?

And if so, other than the US and China, is there anyone else who is worth the hassle ?

Only option is UK-USA trade deal that would at least try to compensate loss of EU market to some extent. However I think USA will simply roll over UK with their version of a trade deal. "

Any FTA with the USA while Trump's still there would almost certainly have a clause in that prevents or reduces the chance of an FTA with China being negotiated.

That's where we will start losing our Sovereignty again if we do Brexit.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

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