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"The plan is: Fuck us all up to get richer than they already are and then blame it on JC and Labour. It may even work if the likes of some here are anything to go by. (By the way not having a go at anyone, just making an observation (and I commend you for his honesty, most will not admit to supporting the Tories but in the privacy of the voting booth will give them their X and then claim they could not foresee the bastards fucking them over). At least some here are honest about enjoying punching down when the opportunity presents (shame they haven't noticed the great big boot on all our necks)." Amusing Will but a lot on what you say | |||
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"The plan is: Fuck us all up to get richer than they already are and then blame it on JC and Labour. It may even work if the likes of some here are anything to go by. (By the way not having a go at anyone, just making an observation (and I commend you for his honesty, most will not admit to supporting the Tories but in the privacy of the voting booth will give them their X and then claim they could not foresee the bastards fucking them over). At least some here are honest about enjoying punching down when the opportunity presents (shame they haven't noticed the great big boot on all our necks)." As always Will, thanks for your vote to leave and adding your vote to the 17.4 million on the winning side.   | |||
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"Hilarious to see and hear the predictable indignation of the Brexit crowd. All he did was say it how it was and immediately the guilty got all defensive. "I have been wondering what the special place in hell looks like for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it safely" Fail to plan - plan to fail. Guilty as charged" Only the unelected EU bureaucrat Donald Tusk didn't tell it exactly as it is, did he. The Leave campaign set out a clear list of objectives that should happen if Leave won the referendum. That forms a basic sketch of a plan. It was the remainer David Cameron who was the Prime minister who called the referendum and it was his remain led government who failed to have a basic sketch of a plan for a Leave vote. Just to highlight how truly dumb the political pygmy Donald Tusk is, he was caught laughing about his comments on a live mic, when he thought it had been switched off. All Donald Tusk has done today is broadcast to the entire world what a monumental twat he is, and shown he has no diplomatic decorum what so ever. | |||
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"Amusing Will but a lot on what you say" That post proves my point. Not long ago in another thread you were telling us how you despise those at the bottom of the pile and would grind them under if you had the chance. Of course in the same post you told us you are some sort of social worker (remember? I do). Fact is you are the epitome of those who vote against their own self-interest because it gives them an opportunity to do more harm to those lower down on the income scale than themselves. And the real Tories (you are not one regardless of your belief) piss themselves laughing at you. | |||
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"The Leave campaign set out a clear list of objectives that should happen if Leave won the referendum. " Lololol that is sooooo funny. Every single sound-byte, every single meme pushed on social media, has been shown to be a crock of shit. You call that a plan? Lolololololol You are in total denial. Your shit idea is, um, er, only a shit idea because of the people who could see it was a shit idea? Lololololol Keep taking the tablets. | |||
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"The Leave campaign set out a clear list of objectives that should happen if Leave won the referendum. Lololol that is sooooo funny. Every single sound-byte, every single meme pushed on social media, has been shown to be a crock of shit. You call that a plan? Lolololololol You are in total denial. Your shit idea is, um, er, only a shit idea because of the people who could see it was a shit idea? Lololololol Keep taking the tablets. " Ukip had been saying for years the first thing you do when you leave the EU is repeal the 1972 European communities act. Was that listened to and done? No it wasn't. David Cameron said he would trigger article 50 the day after the referendum if Leave won, Ukip MP Douglas Carswell asked him this specific question in the house of commons during the referendum campaign and David Cameron answered and said he would. Did he do it? No he bottled it and ran away with his tail between his legs, like most remoaners he showed that he had no backbone, and no intestinal fortitude when faced with a tough decision to carry out his word. The Vote Leave campaign said we should leave the single market, leave the customs union, end payments to the EU budget, end the jurisdiction of the ECJ in the UK, end free movement of people and take back the ability to strike our own trade deals around the rest of the world, those proposals form a basic sketch of a plan which government should be getting on with now. | |||
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"The plan is: Fuck us all up to get richer than they already are and then blame it on JC and Labour. It may even work if the likes of some here are anything to go by. (By the way not having a go at anyone, just making an observation (and I commend you for his honesty, most will not admit to supporting the Tories but in the privacy of the voting booth will give them their X and then claim they could not foresee the bastards fucking them over). At least some here are honest about enjoying punching down when the opportunity presents (shame they haven't noticed the great big boot on all our necks). As always Will, thanks for your vote to leave and adding your vote to the 17.4 million on the winning side. "There's no winning side. Haven't you worked that out yet? | |||
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"The Leave campaign set out a clear list of objectives that should happen if Leave won the referendum. Lololol that is sooooo funny. Every single sound-byte, every single meme pushed on social media, has been shown to be a crock of shit. You call that a plan? Lolololololol You are in total denial. Your shit idea is, um, er, only a shit idea because of the people who could see it was a shit idea? Lololololol Keep taking the tablets. Ukip had been saying for years the first thing you do when you leave the EU is repeal the 1972 European communities act. Was that listened to and done? No it wasn't. David Cameron said he would trigger article 50 the day after the referendum if Leave won, Ukip MP Douglas Carswell asked him this specific question in the house of commons during the referendum campaign and David Cameron answered and said he would. Did he do it? No he bottled it and ran away with his tail between his legs, like most remoaners he showed that he had no backbone, and no intestinal fortitude when faced with a tough decision to carry out his word. The Vote Leave campaign said we should leave the single market, leave the customs union, end payments to the EU budget, end the jurisdiction of the ECJ in the UK, end free movement of people and take back the ability to strike our own trade deals around the rest of the world, those proposals form a basic sketch of a plan which government should be getting on with now. " Exactly. You could fit all that on the back of a fag packet. Do you think the programme for the London Olympics took up more space or less space than a fag packet? | |||
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"The Leave campaign set out a clear list of objectives that should happen if Leave won the referendum. Lololol that is sooooo funny. Every single sound-byte, every single meme pushed on social media, has been shown to be a crock of shit. You call that a plan? Lolololololol You are in total denial. Your shit idea is, um, er, only a shit idea because of the people who could see it was a shit idea? Lololololol Keep taking the tablets. Ukip had been saying for years the first thing you do when you leave the EU is repeal the 1972 European communities act. Was that listened to and done? No it wasn't. David Cameron said he would trigger article 50 the day after the referendum if Leave won, Ukip MP Douglas Carswell asked him this specific question in the house of commons during the referendum campaign and David Cameron answered and said he would. Did he do it? No he bottled it and ran away with his tail between his legs, like most remoaners he showed that he had no backbone, and no intestinal fortitude when faced with a tough decision to carry out his word. The Vote Leave campaign said we should leave the single market, leave the customs union, end payments to the EU budget, end the jurisdiction of the ECJ in the UK, end free movement of people and take back the ability to strike our own trade deals around the rest of the world, those proposals form a basic sketch of a plan which government should be getting on with now. " As pointed out in another thread proposals are not a plan. Jesus, you'd be fired from any job with that mentality. | |||
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"The Leave campaign set out a clear list of objectives that should happen if Leave won the referendum. Lololol that is sooooo funny. Every single sound-byte, every single meme pushed on social media, has been shown to be a crock of shit. You call that a plan? Lolololololol You are in total denial. Your shit idea is, um, er, only a shit idea because of the people who could see it was a shit idea? Lololololol Keep taking the tablets. Ukip had been saying for years the first thing you do when you leave the EU is repeal the 1972 European communities act. Was that listened to and done? No it wasn't. David Cameron said he would trigger article 50 the day after the referendum if Leave won, Ukip MP Douglas Carswell asked him this specific question in the house of commons during the referendum campaign and David Cameron answered and said he would. Did he do it? No he bottled it and ran away with his tail between his legs, like most remoaners he showed that he had no backbone, and no intestinal fortitude when faced with a tough decision to carry out his word. The Vote Leave campaign said we should leave the single market, leave the customs union, end payments to the EU budget, end the jurisdiction of the ECJ in the UK, end free movement of people and take back the ability to strike our own trade deals around the rest of the world, those proposals form a basic sketch of a plan which government should be getting on with now. " What did they say in Ireland ? | |||
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"The plan is: Fuck us all up to get richer than they already are and then blame it on JC and Labour. It may even work if the likes of some here are anything to go by. (By the way not having a go at anyone, just making an observation (and I commend you for his honesty, most will not admit to supporting the Tories but in the privacy of the voting booth will give them their X and then claim they could not foresee the bastards fucking them over). At least some here are honest about enjoying punching down when the opportunity presents (shame they haven't noticed the great big boot on all our necks). As always Will, thanks for your vote to leave and adding your vote to the 17.4 million on the winning side. "Seems he's forgotten yet again that the Tories were and still are for remaining in the EU...  | |||
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"The plan is: Fuck us all up to get richer than they already are and then blame it on JC and Labour. It may even work if the likes of some here are anything to go by. (By the way not having a go at anyone, just making an observation (and I commend you for his honesty, most will not admit to supporting the Tories but in the privacy of the voting booth will give them their X and then claim they could not foresee the bastards fucking them over). At least some here are honest about enjoying punching down when the opportunity presents (shame they haven't noticed the great big boot on all our necks). As always Will, thanks for your vote to leave and adding your vote to the 17.4 million on the winning side.
There's no winning side. Haven't you worked that out yet?"Can you count? 52% is bigger than 48% | |||
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"Amusing Will but a lot on what you say That post proves my point. Not long ago in another thread you were telling us how you despise those at the bottom of the pile and would grind them under if you had the chance. Of course in the same post you told us you are some sort of social worker (remember? I do). Fact is you are the epitome of those who vote against their own self-interest because it gives them an opportunity to do more harm to those lower down on the income scale than themselves. And the real Tories (you are not one regardless of your belief) piss themselves laughing at you. " LOL, Will I remember you posting on numerous occasions how you voted leave to see people suffer!  | |||
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"The Leave campaign set out a clear list of objectives that should happen if Leave won the referendum. Lololol that is sooooo funny. Every single sound-byte, every single meme pushed on social media, has been shown to be a crock of shit. You call that a plan? Lolololololol You are in total denial. Your shit idea is, um, er, only a shit idea because of the people who could see it was a shit idea? Lololololol Keep taking the tablets. Ukip had been saying for years the first thing you do when you leave the EU is repeal the 1972 European communities act. Was that listened to and done? No it wasn't. David Cameron said he would trigger article 50 the day after the referendum if Leave won, Ukip MP Douglas Carswell asked him this specific question in the house of commons during the referendum campaign and David Cameron answered and said he would. Did he do it? No he bottled it and ran away with his tail between his legs, like most remoaners he showed that he had no backbone, and no intestinal fortitude when faced with a tough decision to carry out his word. The Vote Leave campaign said we should leave the single market, leave the customs union, end payments to the EU budget, end the jurisdiction of the ECJ in the UK, end free movement of people and take back the ability to strike our own trade deals around the rest of the world, those proposals form a basic sketch of a plan which government should be getting on with now. As pointed out in another thread proposals are not a plan. Jesus, you'd be fired from any job with that mentality." You wouldn't get a job in the first place if you can't work out 52% is bigger than 48% | |||
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" 52% is bigger than 48% Has Satan got room for you all? " As Nigel Farage said, we'll be in Heaven after Brexit.  | |||
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"The plan is: Fuck us all up to get richer than they already are and then blame it on JC and Labour. It may even work if the likes of some here are anything to go by. (By the way not having a go at anyone, just making an observation (and I commend you for his honesty, most will not admit to supporting the Tories but in the privacy of the voting booth will give them their X and then claim they could not foresee the bastards fucking them over). At least some here are honest about enjoying punching down when the opportunity presents (shame they haven't noticed the great big boot on all our necks). As always Will, thanks for your vote to leave and adding your vote to the 17.4 million on the winning side.
There's no winning side. Haven't you worked that out yet?
Can you count?
52% is bigger than 48%"Look around you chief. The country's bitterly divided and nothing getting done. Pull your f*cking head out of your arse. | |||
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"The plan is: Fuck us all up to get richer than they already are and then blame it on JC and Labour. It may even work if the likes of some here are anything to go by. (By the way not having a go at anyone, just making an observation (and I commend you for his honesty, most will not admit to supporting the Tories but in the privacy of the voting booth will give them their X and then claim they could not foresee the bastards fucking them over). At least some here are honest about enjoying punching down when the opportunity presents (shame they haven't noticed the great big boot on all our necks). As always Will, thanks for your vote to leave and adding your vote to the 17.4 million on the winning side.
There's no winning side. Haven't you worked that out yet?
Can you count?
52% is bigger than 48%
Look around you chief. The country's bitterly divided and nothing getting done.
Pull your f*cking head out of your arse."You have about the same level of diplomacy skills as Donald Tusk with comments like that. Tut Tut. | |||
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"The Leave campaign set out a clear list of objectives that should happen if Leave won the referendum. Lololol that is sooooo funny. Every single sound-byte, every single meme pushed on social media, has been shown to be a crock of shit. You call that a plan? Lolololololol You are in total denial. Your shit idea is, um, er, only a shit idea because of the people who could see it was a shit idea? Lololololol Keep taking the tablets. Ukip had been saying for years the first thing you do when you leave the EU is repeal the 1972 European communities act. Was that listened to and done? No it wasn't. David Cameron said he would trigger article 50 the day after the referendum if Leave won, Ukip MP Douglas Carswell asked him this specific question in the house of commons during the referendum campaign and David Cameron answered and said he would. Did he do it? No he bottled it and ran away with his tail between his legs, like most remoaners he showed that he had no backbone, and no intestinal fortitude when faced with a tough decision to carry out his word. The Vote Leave campaign said we should leave the single market, leave the customs union, end payments to the EU budget, end the jurisdiction of the ECJ in the UK, end free movement of people and take back the ability to strike our own trade deals around the rest of the world, those proposals form a basic sketch of a plan which government should be getting on with now. Exactly. You could fit all that on the back of a fag packet. Do you think the programme for the London Olympics took up more space or less space than a fag packet? " Fag packets aren't politically correct anymore all the sensible people gave up, no one rights plans on the back of them except diehard smokers like you!  | |||
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"The plan is: Fuck us all up to get richer than they already are and then blame it on JC and Labour. It may even work if the likes of some here are anything to go by. (By the way not having a go at anyone, just making an observation (and I commend you for his honesty, most will not admit to supporting the Tories but in the privacy of the voting booth will give them their X and then claim they could not foresee the bastards fucking them over). At least some here are honest about enjoying punching down when the opportunity presents (shame they haven't noticed the great big boot on all our necks). As always Will, thanks for your vote to leave and adding your vote to the 17.4 million on the winning side.
There's no winning side. Haven't you worked that out yet?
Can you count?
52% is bigger than 48%
Look around you chief. The country's bitterly divided and nothing getting done.
Pull your f*cking head out of your arse.
You have about the same level of diplomacy skills as Donald Tusk with comments like that. Tut Tut. "And you know what, we're both right. | |||
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" 52% is bigger than 48% Has Satan got room for you all? As Nigel Farage said, we'll be in Heaven after Brexit. "Donald Tusk will be in hell once the Eu has more money going out than it has coming in, why do you think he is so upset! | |||
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"The plan is: Fuck us all up to get richer than they already are and then blame it on JC and Labour. It may even work if the likes of some here are anything to go by. (By the way not having a go at anyone, just making an observation (and I commend you for his honesty, most will not admit to supporting the Tories but in the privacy of the voting booth will give them their X and then claim they could not foresee the bastards fucking them over). At least some here are honest about enjoying punching down when the opportunity presents (shame they haven't noticed the great big boot on all our necks). As always Will, thanks for your vote to leave and adding your vote to the 17.4 million on the winning side.
There's no winning side. Haven't you worked that out yet?
Can you count?
52% is bigger than 48%
Look around you chief. The country's bitterly divided and nothing getting done.
Pull your f*cking head out of your arse.
You have about the same level of diplomacy skills as Donald Tusk with comments like that. Tut Tut.
And you know what, we're both right."No you're not. What you've shown here is you have the same mentality as Tusk, the same level of diplomacy skills as him, and you have no class or decorum. | |||
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" 52% is bigger than 48% Has Satan got room for you all? As Nigel Farage said, we'll be in Heaven after Brexit.
Donald Tusk will be in hell once the Eu has more money going out than it has coming in, why do you think he is so upset! "He was sounding like a jilted bride. | |||
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"Hilarious to see and hear the predictable indignation of the Brexit crowd. All he did was say it how it was and immediately the guilty got all defensive. "I have been wondering what the special place in hell looks like for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it safely" Fail to plan - plan to fail. Guilty as charged Only the unelected EU bureaucrat Donald Tusk didn't tell it exactly as it is, did he. The Leave campaign set out a clear list of objectives that should happen if Leave won the referendum. That forms a basic sketch of a plan. It was the remainer David Cameron who was the Prime minister who called the referendum and it was his remain led government who failed to have a basic sketch of a plan for a Leave vote. Just to highlight how truly dumb the political pygmy Donald Tusk is, he was caught laughing about his comments on a live mic, when he thought it had been switched off. All Donald Tusk has done today is broadcast to the entire world what a monumental twat he is, and shown he has no diplomatic decorum what so ever. " The President of the European Council os elected by...the members of the European Council. As the purpose of the Council os for national governments to maintain direct influence on legislation that doesn't seem undemocratic to me. What's your proposal? Tusk is certainly a political pygmy having brought Poland through the global economic crash without going into recession. What a loser. How would you define success? David Cameron is a loser. I agree with you on that. He brought the referendum for purely internal political reasons and joy to you in pulling our country into chaos. #Brexitwin | |||
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" 52% is bigger than 48% Has Satan got room for you all? As Nigel Farage said, we'll be in Heaven after Brexit.
Donald Tusk will be in hell once the Eu has more money going out than it has coming in, why do you think he is so upset! "I was surprised to see Tusk laughing with Varadker after those comments, Tusk usually looks like he's about to burst into floods of tears when he talks about brexit. | |||
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"The plan is: Fuck us all up to get richer than they already are and then blame it on JC and Labour. It may even work if the likes of some here are anything to go by. (By the way not having a go at anyone, just making an observation (and I commend you for his honesty, most will not admit to supporting the Tories but in the privacy of the voting booth will give them their X and then claim they could not foresee the bastards fucking them over). At least some here are honest about enjoying punching down when the opportunity presents (shame they haven't noticed the great big boot on all our necks). As always Will, thanks for your vote to leave and adding your vote to the 17.4 million on the winning side.
There's no winning side. Haven't you worked that out yet?
Can you count?
52% is bigger than 48%
Look around you chief. The country's bitterly divided and nothing getting done.
Pull your f*cking head out of your arse.
You have about the same level of diplomacy skills as Donald Tusk with comments like that. Tut Tut.
And you know what, we're both right.
No you're not. What you've shown here is you have the same mentality as Tusk, the same level of diplomacy skills as him, and you have no class or decorum. "Ha. Says the forum's most respected and logical member. | |||
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"Only the unelected EU bureaucrat Donald Tusk didn't tell it exactly as it is, did he. " As has been explained many times, he was elected. Go hug an immigrant. It'll make you you feel better and perhaps even raise your level of intelligence and humanity. Nationalism is for twats. Globalism is gathering momentum. Integration, standardisation, inclusiveness and tolerance of other cultures. Get with the program or become a relic. | |||
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" 52% is bigger than 48% Has Satan got room for you all? As Nigel Farage said, we'll be in Heaven after Brexit. "He also said 52:48 would be unfinished business | |||
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"LOL, Will I remember you posting on numerous occasions how you voted leave to see people suffer! "Not quite. I have always said I voted to leave to firstly break the Tories and their anti EU shrills because they have used the EU as a whipping boy to take the blame for the harm their policies do. And because being a believer in the EU I find our position of being in the EU but not fully in because we are 'special' toxic to the EU. I still hold those views and have not seen a single thing out of the Tories to change my mind. In fact hearing old man Johnson saying that if the cost of brexit is the Good Friday Agreement and some dead Irish that is a price he is more than willing to pay confirmed for me that my position was the right one. Its a well used Tory stratagem that I want to ch*ke the bastards with and with luck brexit will do the job nicely and afterwards with those parasites gone we can rejoin the EU and start to repair 40 years of misrule and corruption. | |||
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" 52% is bigger than 48% Has Satan got room for you all? As Nigel Farage said, we'll be in Heaven after Brexit.
Donald Tusk will be in hell once the Eu has more money going out than it has coming in, why do you think he is so upset!
I was surprised to see Tusk laughing with Varadker after those comments, Tusk usually looks like he's about to burst into floods of tears when he talks about brexit. "Neither will be laughing once the UK's cheques stop coming! | |||
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"LOL, Will I remember you posting on numerous occasions how you voted leave to see people suffer!
Not quite. I have always said I voted to leave to firstly break the Tories and their anti EU shrills because they have used the EU as a whipping boy to take the blame for the harm their policies do. And because being a believer in the EU I find our position of being in the EU but not fully in because we are 'special' toxic to the EU.
I still hold those views and have not seen a single thing out of the Tories to change my mind. In fact hearing old man Johnson saying that if the cost of brexit is the Good Friday Agreement and some dead Irish that is a price he is more than willing to pay confirmed for me that my position was the right one. Its a well used Tory stratagem that I want to ch*ke the bastards with and with luck brexit will do the job nicely and afterwards with those parasites gone we can rejoin the EU and start to repair 40 years of misrule and corruption. "Will you did say you wanted to see people suffer aswell as see the end of the Tories! | |||
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"LOL, Will I remember you posting on numerous occasions how you voted leave to see people suffer!
Not quite. I have always said I voted to leave to firstly break the Tories and their anti EU shrills because they have used the EU as a whipping boy to take the blame for the harm their policies do. And because being a believer in the EU I find our position of being in the EU but not fully in because we are 'special' toxic to the EU.
I still hold those views and have not seen a single thing out of the Tories to change my mind. In fact hearing old man Johnson saying that if the cost of brexit is the Good Friday Agreement and some dead Irish that is a price he is more than willing to pay confirmed for me that my position was the right one. Its a well used Tory stratagem that I want to ch*ke the bastards with and with luck brexit will do the job nicely and afterwards with those parasites gone we can rejoin the EU and start to repair 40 years of misrule and corruption. "I voted remain because i felt id be better off. Weird eh? Also correct if I'm wrong, but didn't the Tories get us into the EU? | |||
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"Sorry for the above rant but I tried using logic reason and facts to prove how monumentally pointless and stupid Brexit is. But all I got back was blank denials in the face of evidence and just plain old made up bollox. So now I just talk to them in the only manner they seem to understand. " The facts are there for all to see. Except those who refuse to look. "There is no plan for no deal because we are going to get a great deal" - Boris Johnson Not even a sketch plan, it seems. Not even a fag packet. Nothing. Empty. | |||
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"Only the unelected EU bureaucrat Donald Tusk didn't tell it exactly as it is, did he. As has been explained many times, he was elected. Go hug an immigrant. It'll make you you feel better and perhaps even raise your level of intelligence and humanity. Nationalism is for twats. Globalism is gathering momentum. Integration, standardisation, inclusiveness and tolerance of other cultures. Get with the program or become a relic. " Lololololol Globalism is gathering momentum.
Meanwhile back in the real world, leave won the EU referendum, Donald Trump won the presidency and is currently sitting in the white House, the yellow vests have got Macron in hiding in France, an Anti EU populist coalition government has taken power in Italy, a populist government is in power in Greece, an anti globalist, pro nationalist government has taken power in Brazil and the list goes on. Globalism has had it's day and is in retreat. | |||
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"The Leave campaign set out a clear list of objectives that should happen if Leave won the referendum. Lololol that is sooooo funny. Every single sound-byte, every single meme pushed on social media, has been shown to be a crock of shit. You call that a plan? Lolololololol You are in total denial. Your shit idea is, um, er, only a shit idea because of the people who could see it was a shit idea? Lololololol Keep taking the tablets. Ukip had been saying for years the first thing you do when you leave the EU is repeal the 1972 European communities act. Was that listened to and done? No it wasn't. David Cameron said he would trigger article 50 the day after the referendum if Leave won, Ukip MP Douglas Carswell asked him this specific question in the house of commons during the referendum campaign and David Cameron answered and said he would. Did he do it? No he bottled it and ran away with his tail between his legs, like most remoaners he showed that he had no backbone, and no intestinal fortitude when faced with a tough decision to carry out his word. The Vote Leave campaign said we should leave the single market, leave the customs union, end payments to the EU budget, end the jurisdiction of the ECJ in the UK, end free movement of people and take back the ability to strike our own trade deals around the rest of the world, those proposals form a basic sketch of a plan which government should be getting on with now. Exactly. You could fit all that on the back of a fag packet. Do you think the programme for the London Olympics took up more space or less space than a fag packet? " If That was the only word on the fag packet If we could leave Pay no money Have no Irish border Have trade deals where the world pay us to buy their stuf And pay double for our suff and buy twice as much Pay no tax Pay no insurance No have to work Do exactly as I want I would have voted leave My fag packet has However written on it because despite the wants the real world has rules and consequences and it really matters not what a little englander wants or me for that matter it has to conform and fluidly work with the wants of the rest of the world Sadly Brexit wants are non tangible impossibilities, this was always true, and daily becomes more and more blindingly evident | |||
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"Hilarious to see and hear the predictable indignation of the Brexit crowd. All he did was say it how it was and immediately the guilty got all defensive. "I have been wondering what the special place in hell looks like for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it safely" Fail to plan - plan to fail. Guilty as charged Only the unelected EU bureaucrat Donald Tusk didn't tell it exactly as it is, did he. The Leave campaign set out a clear list of objectives that should happen if Leave won the referendum. That forms a basic sketch of a plan. It was the remainer David Cameron who was the Prime minister who called the referendum and it was his remain led government who failed to have a basic sketch of a plan for a Leave vote. Just to highlight how truly dumb the political pygmy Donald Tusk is, he was caught laughing about his comments on a live mic, when he thought it had been switched off. All Donald Tusk has done today is broadcast to the entire world what a monumental twat he is, and shown he has no diplomatic decorum what so ever. " If you can get away with the Brexiteers basic sketch of a plan existing, then you have to accept the Tories had a plan voted for in the General Election. Sadly neither have turned out to be anything like a plan. We just have to face it, we could have had a continuation of a strong economy or take the ‘who the fuck knows’ model of the Brexiteers. Brexit is not going to be better than staying, it won’t be close to being the same as staying. It will be worse for many, many people. Only the few will do well from Brexit - Farage, BJ, JRM. | |||
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"LOL, Will I remember you posting on numerous occasions how you voted leave to see people suffer!
Not quite. I have always said I voted to leave to firstly break the Tories and their anti EU shrills because they have used the EU as a whipping boy to take the blame for the harm their policies do. And because being a believer in the EU I find our position of being in the EU but not fully in because we are 'special' toxic to the EU.
I still hold those views and have not seen a single thing out of the Tories to change my mind. In fact hearing old man Johnson saying that if the cost of brexit is the Good Friday Agreement and some dead Irish that is a price he is more than willing to pay confirmed for me that my position was the right one. Its a well used Tory stratagem that I want to ch*ke the bastards with and with luck brexit will do the job nicely and afterwards with those parasites gone we can rejoin the EU and start to repair 40 years of misrule and corruption. "Ironic then Will that it looks more likely your beloved Labour will be the party that splits over Brexit. | |||
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"Will you did say you wanted to see people suffer aswell as see the end of the Tories!" What do you think the country has been doing for the last 40 years? It's been slowly throttled by Tory greed. I want the country to be forced to face up to what the Tories have been doing to us for decades and the only way I can see to force the issue is brexit! By the way, the Tories are preparing for that pain too. They are drawing up plans to use emergency powers to keep us in line and troops to keep them in power! | |||
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"Will you did say you wanted to see people suffer aswell as see the end of the Tories! What do you think the country has been doing for the last 40 years? It's been slowly throttled by Tory greed. I want the country to be forced to face up to what the Tories have been doing to us for decades and the only way I can see to force the issue is brexit! By the way, the Tories are preparing for that pain too. They are drawing up plans to use emergency powers to keep us in line and troops to keep them in power!" The tories haven't been in power for the last 40 years though. We had a Labour government from 1997 to 2010, and a Conservative/Lib dem coalition from 2010 to 2015. | |||
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"The plan is: Fuck us all up to get richer than they already are and then blame it on JC and Labour. It may even work if the likes of some here are anything to go by. (By the way not having a go at anyone, just making an observation (and I commend you for his honesty, most will not admit to supporting the Tories but in the privacy of the voting booth will give them their X and then claim they could not foresee the bastards fucking them over). At least some here are honest about enjoying punching down when the opportunity presents (shame they haven't noticed the great big boot on all our necks). As always Will, thanks for your vote to leave and adding your vote to the 17.4 million on the winning side.
There's no winning side. Haven't you worked that out yet?
Can you count?
52% is bigger than 48%
Look around you chief. The country's bitterly divided and nothing getting done.
Pull your f*cking head out of your arse.
You have about the same level of diplomacy skills as Donald Tusk with comments like that. Tut Tut. "You don’t like the truth, do you Centy? And yet you salivate over Trumps every word. Hrmmmm. -Matt | |||
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"Only the unelected EU bureaucrat Donald Tusk didn't tell it exactly as it is, did he. As has been explained many times, he was elected. Go hug an immigrant. It'll make you you feel better and perhaps even raise your level of intelligence and humanity. Nationalism is for twats. Globalism is gathering momentum. Integration, standardisation, inclusiveness and tolerance of other cultures. Get with the program or become a relic. Lololololol Globalism is gathering momentum.
Meanwhile back in the real world, leave won the EU referendum, Donald Trump won the presidency and is currently sitting in the white House, the yellow vests have got Macron in hiding in France, an Anti EU populist coalition government has taken power in Italy, a populist government is in power in Greece, an anti globalist, pro nationalist government has taken power in Brazil and the list goes on. Globalism has had it's day and is in retreat. "See point proven. Clueless bollox. Go hug an immigrant | |||
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"Ironic then Will that it looks more likely your beloved Labour will be the party that splits over Brexit. "I am not in love with Labour Centy. I support Labour because I see it as the party most able to challenge the Tories for power and it reflects some of my political views. I am a member of Labour because that gives me an opportunity to influence Labour Party policy. If another party better reflected my politics and had a chance of forming a government I would leave Labour and join it. | |||
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"Only the unelected EU bureaucrat Donald Tusk didn't tell it exactly as it is, did he. As has been explained many times, he was elected. Go hug an immigrant. It'll make you you feel better and perhaps even raise your level of intelligence and humanity. Nationalism is for twats. Globalism is gathering momentum. Integration, standardisation, inclusiveness and tolerance of other cultures. Get with the program or become a relic. Lololololol Globalism is gathering momentum.
Meanwhile back in the real world, leave won the EU referendum, Donald Trump won the presidency and is currently sitting in the white House, the yellow vests have got Macron in hiding in France, an Anti EU populist coalition government has taken power in Italy, a populist government is in power in Greece, an anti globalist, pro nationalist government has taken power in Brazil and the list goes on. Globalism has had it's day and is in retreat.
See point proven. Clueless bollox. Go hug an immigrant "Not clueless bollox everything I said in that post is factual and true. | |||
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" 52% is bigger than 48% Has Satan got room for you all? As Nigel Farage said, we'll be in Heaven after Brexit. "Project Fear | |||
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"The tories haven't been in power for the last 40 years though. We had a Labour government from 1997 to 2010, and a Conservative/Lib dem coalition from 2010 to 2015. " If you really believe that Centy you are naive. New Labour of Blair and Brown was a Tory-lite enterist takeover of the Labour party that allowed the official Tory party to move so far to the right is has become a fascist party in all but name. As for Clegg and the 'power sharing' coalition if you think that was anything other than a Tory government with an arsewipe tea-boy in clegg you are delusional. FFS the DUP have more say in government than Clegg ever had! | |||
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"Only the unelected EU bureaucrat Donald Tusk didn't tell it exactly as it is, did he. As has been explained many times, he was elected. Go hug an immigrant. It'll make you you feel better and perhaps even raise your level of intelligence and humanity. Nationalism is for twats. Globalism is gathering momentum. Integration, standardisation, inclusiveness and tolerance of other cultures. Get with the program or become a relic. Lololololol Globalism is gathering momentum.
Meanwhile back in the real world, leave won the EU referendum, Donald Trump won the presidency and is currently sitting in the white House, the yellow vests have got Macron in hiding in France, an Anti EU populist coalition government has taken power in Italy, a populist government is in power in Greece, an anti globalist, pro nationalist government has taken power in Brazil and the list goes on. Globalism has had it's day and is in retreat.
See point proven. Clueless bollox. Go hug an immigrant
Not clueless bollox everything I said in that post is factual and true. "I have repeatedly dis-proved so much of the crap you churn so often and you still keep spewing it. So bollox to you and your sick nationalist drivel. Here's basic fact you still deny, IMMIGRATION is good for the country! | |||
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"Only the unelected EU bureaucrat Donald Tusk didn't tell it exactly as it is, did he. As has been explained many times, he was elected. Go hug an immigrant. It'll make you you feel better and perhaps even raise your level of intelligence and humanity. Nationalism is for twats. Globalism is gathering momentum. Integration, standardisation, inclusiveness and tolerance of other cultures. Get with the program or become a relic. Lololololol Globalism is gathering momentum.
Meanwhile back in the real world, leave won the EU referendum, Donald Trump won the presidency and is currently sitting in the white House, the yellow vests have got Macron in hiding in France, an Anti EU populist coalition government has taken power in Italy, a populist government is in power in Greece, an anti globalist, pro nationalist government has taken power in Brazil and the list goes on. Globalism has had it's day and is in retreat.
See point proven. Clueless bollox. Go hug an immigrant
Not clueless bollox everything I said in that post is factual and true.
I have repeatedly dis-proved so much of the crap you churn so often and you still keep spewing it. So bollox to you and your sick nationalist drivel.
Here's basic fact you still deny, IMMIGRATION is good for the country! "Absolutely it is! Business booms when salaries are low! Immigration helps keep it that way. Flood the market with cheap labour. Would care homes make such a profit if they had to pay a decent wage? Nope. Could the NHS be rinsed for cash if the nurses were home grown, expecting a salary that would enable them to buy their own homes etc? Not on your nelly! And what about those market gardens? Noooooo. Get 'em in. Get 'em working. And who gives a fuck if they're living 10 to a room?! Money talks. Why do you think the Tories are pro remain.... it ain't rocket science. | |||
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" 52% is bigger than 48% Has Satan got room for you all? As Nigel Farage said, we'll be in Heaven after Brexit.
Donald Tusk will be in hell once the Eu has more money going out than it has coming in, why do you think he is so upset!
I was surprised to see Tusk laughing with Varadker after those comments, Tusk usually looks like he's about to burst into floods of tears when he talks about brexit. "Have to admire your solid pro Brexit stance regardless of everything. Normal people would have weakened long ago. You either still believe that this shit show will all some how magically be fixed and through some Devine intervention the UK will come out the other side with some kind vaguely positive outcome. Despite there being literally no evidence for this being the case. Or as I suspect, you’re trolling us all and your character is one big wind up. | |||
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"Only the unelected EU bureaucrat Donald Tusk didn't tell it exactly as it is, did he. As has been explained many times, he was elected. Go hug an immigrant. It'll make you you feel better and perhaps even raise your level of intelligence and humanity. Nationalism is for twats. Globalism is gathering momentum. Integration, standardisation, inclusiveness and tolerance of other cultures. Get with the program or become a relic. Lololololol Globalism is gathering momentum.
Meanwhile back in the real world, leave won the EU referendum, Donald Trump won the presidency and is currently sitting in the white House, the yellow vests have got Macron in hiding in France, an Anti EU populist coalition government has taken power in Italy, a populist government is in power in Greece, an anti globalist, pro nationalist government has taken power in Brazil and the list goes on. Globalism has had it's day and is in retreat.
See point proven. Clueless bollox. Go hug an immigrant
Not clueless bollox everything I said in that post is factual and true.
I have repeatedly dis-proved so much of the crap you churn so often and you still keep spewing it. So bollox to you and your sick nationalist drivel.
Here's basic fact you still deny, IMMIGRATION is good for the country!
Absolutely it is! Business booms when salaries are low! Immigration helps keep it that way. Flood the market with cheap labour. Would care homes make such a profit if they had to pay a decent wage? Nope. Could the NHS be rinsed for cash if the nurses were home grown, expecting a salary that would enable them to buy their own homes etc? Not on your nelly! And what about those market gardens? Noooooo. Get 'em in. Get 'em working. And who gives a fuck if they're living 10 to a room?! Money talks. Why do you think the Tories are pro remain.... it ain't rocket science. " and best not to mention the leader of the Stronger In remain campaign Stuart Rose admitted to a House of Commons select committee during the referendum campaign in 2016 that British workers wages would rise if we left the EU. | |||
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"Only the unelected EU bureaucrat Donald Tusk didn't tell it exactly as it is, did he. As has been explained many times, he was elected. Go hug an immigrant. It'll make you you feel better and perhaps even raise your level of intelligence and humanity. Nationalism is for twats. Globalism is gathering momentum. Integration, standardisation, inclusiveness and tolerance of other cultures. Get with the program or become a relic. Lololololol Globalism is gathering momentum.
Meanwhile back in the real world, leave won the EU referendum, Donald Trump won the presidency and is currently sitting in the white House, the yellow vests have got Macron in hiding in France, an Anti EU populist coalition government has taken power in Italy, a populist government is in power in Greece, an anti globalist, pro nationalist government has taken power in Brazil and the list goes on. Globalism has had it's day and is in retreat.
See point proven. Clueless bollox. Go hug an immigrant
Not clueless bollox everything I said in that post is factual and true.
I have repeatedly dis-proved so much of the crap you churn so often and you still keep spewing it. So bollox to you and your sick nationalist drivel.
Here's basic fact you still deny, IMMIGRATION is good for the country!
Absolutely it is! Business booms when salaries are low! Immigration helps keep it that way. Flood the market with cheap labour. Would care homes make such a profit if they had to pay a decent wage? Nope. Could the NHS be rinsed for cash if the nurses were home grown, expecting a salary that would enable them to buy their own homes etc? Not on your nelly! And what about those market gardens? Noooooo. Get 'em in. Get 'em working. And who gives a fuck if they're living 10 to a room?! Money talks. Why do you think the Tories are pro remain.... it ain't rocket science.
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"One slight problem with your logic. Britain is desperately short of skills. " Translated as "Desperately short of people who will work for peanuts". | |||
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"One slight problem with your logic. Britain is desperately short of skills. " About time business stepped up to the plate then and started training more brits through Apprenticeships. For too long they've taken the easy convenient option of importing cheap foreign labour and stuck 2 fingers up to the domestic UK labour market. Now it's come back to bite them in the ass, when a majority voted leave business has thrown a big strop about it. You reap what you sew. | |||
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"One slight problem with your logic. Britain is desperately short of skills. About time business stepped up to the plate then and started training more brits through Apprenticeships. For too long they've taken the easy convenient option of importing cheap foreign labour and stuck 2 fingers up to the domestic UK labour market. Now it's come back to bite them in the ass, when a majority voted leave business has thrown a big strop about it. You reap what you sew. " Unfortunately, that was/is the Tory and Tony (Blair) dream. | |||
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"It's not rocket science though. Flood the labour market with labour, and wages fall. Its the old saying of Don't blame the immigrant for your wages going down, blame the CEO and the share holders for wanting to get wealthy. An immigrant work force on zero hour contracts are a Tory's wet dream. " That works if there is an excess of labour and if a certain salary level allows a business to be profitable. The country has had a shortage of skilled staff in every field of endeavour that ill move this country and the world forward. We also have a shortage of everything from cleaners to fruit pickers to care staff. Where does the money come from to pay care staff what they deserve? Private nursing homes take council clients at a loss. You think that cleaners are paid so little because there are so many wanting to do it? Positions are left open but salaries aren't rising. Cleaning firms work on tiny margins, pushing their staff onto zero hours contracts. Working for multinationals not willing to pay. It isn't excess supply. You charge more, people don't buy. The company closes. That's where we find ourselves. | |||
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"Whether you agree with what he said or not, doesn't this sort of language by either side show a propensity to be part of the problem rather than part of the solution? Personally, I am surprised that Donald Tusk resorted to this. I thought he was above it." Why? He has articulated the frustration that millions and millions of people from across the world can see. “Where was the fucking plan you planks?” The whole of Europe is being completely and unecessarily compromised by Britain’s decision to undertake an unplanned and thereby irresponsible course of action. Why should they maintain pleasantry and decorum in the face of such nonsense? | |||
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"Daily Mash JACOB Rees-Mogg has confirmed that he is definitely going to hell. Responding to EU president Donald Tusk’s claim that Brexiters were going to ‘bad fire’ the Tory MP stressed he was well aware of the ultimate destiny of his soul. Rees-Mogg added: “I run an investment fund which pursues profit in a ruthless, nay, savage manner. “I accumulate vast wealth while pontificating about the idle poor. Jesus Christ would not approve. Similarly, I judge women and homosexuals. Again, not what Jesus had in mind. “And on top of all that I claim to be a devout Roman Catholic, so you can add an almost criminal hypocrisy to my spiritual charge sheet. “Don’t worry though, I am looking forward to the pain. It excites me.”" Well it made us smile | |||
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"Hilarious to see and hear the predictable indignation of the Brexit crowd. All he did was say it how it was and immediately the guilty got all defensive. "I have been wondering what the special place in hell looks like for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it safely" Fail to plan - plan to fail. Guilty as charged Only the unelected EU bureaucrat Donald Tusk didn't tell it exactly as it is, did he. The Leave campaign set out a clear list of objectives that should happen if Leave won the referendum. That forms a basic sketch of a plan. It was the remainer David Cameron who was the Prime minister who called the referendum and it was his remain led government who failed to have a basic sketch of a plan for a Leave vote. Just to highlight how truly dumb the political pygmy Donald Tusk is, he was caught laughing about his comments on a live mic, when he thought it had been switched off. All Donald Tusk has done today is broadcast to the entire world what a monumental twat he is, and shown he has no diplomatic decorum what so ever. "
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"he only said what a lot of us were thinking.... and in fact a lot of us are still asking "whats the plan?" because it seems to change every week.... speaking of which.... looks like we will get another amendable motion debate next week..... whooppee!!!! " The reason it's bollocked up is two fold... - Bitter eu leaders like junker and tusk - a tory fuck up from Cameron upto may. Weak willed arse kissing from a feeble government | |||
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"Hilarious to see and hear the predictable indignation of the Brexit crowd. All he did was say it how it was and immediately the guilty got all defensive. "I have been wondering what the special place in hell looks like for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it safely" Fail to plan - plan to fail. Guilty as charged Only the unelected EU bureaucrat Donald Tusk didn't tell it exactly as it is, did he. The Leave campaign set out a clear list of objectives that should happen if Leave won the referendum. That forms a basic sketch of a plan. It was the remainer David Cameron who was the Prime minister who called the referendum and it was his remain led government who failed to have a basic sketch of a plan for a Leave vote. Just to highlight how truly dumb the political pygmy Donald Tusk is, he was caught laughing about his comments on a live mic, when he thought it had been switched off. All Donald Tusk has done today is broadcast to the entire world what a monumental twat he is, and shown he has no diplomatic decorum what so ever.
Tusk's speech just demonstrates his true colours and what is wrong with the eu."...really? It was quite funny! We have a bunch of loonies trying to persuade people the Emperor is wearing gorgeous clothes & Donald a Tusk says he’s naked!? Who are the idiots... | |||
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" Tusk's speech just demonstrates his true colours and what is wrong with the eu." so if that is the case do the likes of Mark Francois and Daniel Kawcyzski words and actions (just to name two brexiteer tory mps from the last 7 days) to use your same words "demostrate their true colours and what is wrong with the UK" just curious........ | |||
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" Tusk's speech just demonstrates his true colours and what is wrong with the eu. so if that is the case do the likes of Mark Francois and Daniel Kawcyzski words and actions (just to name two brexiteer tory mps from the last 7 days) to use your same words "demostrate their true colours and what is wrong with the UK" just curious........" They are back bench MP's so its not on the same level as Tusk, being an EU President. Back bench MP's in the UK can be compared to MEP's in the European Parliament and that would be a more sensible comparison. A more sensible like for like comparison for Donald Tusk would be Theresa May, the UK Prime minister, saying there is a special place in Hell for intransigent Europhiles in the institutions of the EU. Theresa May has not once used that kind of language though and has carried herself with decorum and dignity throughout the last 2 years. The same can't be said for Donald Tusk. | |||
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"Hilarious to see and hear the predictable indignation of the Brexit crowd. All he did was say it how it was and immediately the guilty got all defensive. "I have been wondering what the special place in hell looks like for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it safely" Fail to plan - plan to fail. Guilty as charged Only the unelected EU bureaucrat Donald Tusk didn't tell it exactly as it is, did he. The Leave campaign set out a clear list of objectives that should happen if Leave won the referendum. That forms a basic sketch of a plan. It was the remainer David Cameron who was the Prime minister who called the referendum and it was his remain led government who failed to have a basic sketch of a plan for a Leave vote. Just to highlight how truly dumb the political pygmy Donald Tusk is, he was caught laughing about his comments on a live mic, when he thought it had been switched off. All Donald Tusk has done today is broadcast to the entire world what a monumental twat he is, and shown he has no diplomatic decorum what so ever.
Tusk's speech just demonstrates his true colours and what is wrong with the eu.
...really? It was quite funny! We have a bunch of loonies trying to persuade people the Emperor is wearing gorgeous clothes & Donald a Tusk says he’s naked!? Who are the idiots..."I saw a comment on either the Peston show on itv or sky news press preview earlier (can't remember which it was now) that said the image of Tusk and Varadker giggling like school boys after that press conference was like the Emperor laughing while Rome burned around him as the EU tips ever closer into recession. | |||
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"The plan is: Fuck us all up to get richer than they already are and then blame it on JC and Labour. It may even work if the likes of some here are anything to go by. (By the way not having a go at anyone, just making an observation (and I commend you for his honesty, most will not admit to supporting the Tories but in the privacy of the voting booth will give them their X and then claim they could not foresee the bastards fucking them over). At least some here are honest about enjoying punching down when the opportunity presents (shame they haven't noticed the great big boot on all our necks). As always Will, thanks for your vote to leave and adding your vote to the 17.4 million on the winning side.
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"The plan is: Fuck us all up to get richer than they already are and then blame it on JC and Labour. It may even work if the likes of some here are anything to go by. (By the way not having a go at anyone, just making an observation (and I commend you for his honesty, most will not admit to supporting the Tories but in the privacy of the voting booth will give them their X and then claim they could not foresee the bastards fucking them over). At least some here are honest about enjoying punching down when the opportunity presents (shame they haven't noticed the great big boot on all our necks). As always Will, thanks for your vote to leave and adding your vote to the 17.4 million on the winning side. "The country is split now and you and your "winning" side has done nothing to fix that. No word or deed since then has made any attempt at compromise. The demand is for total loyalty which betrays quite clearly what is envisaged for the future. | |||
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"If Tusk had simply said " I don't think that the uk conservative government had any plan at all for brexit " it would hardly have been mentioned on the news ( or on fab ) , however because he used , ( shall we say ,, colourful language ) ,, he managed to get accross the point that has been very evident since the day after the referendum , that the uk conservative government didn't have any plan at all for brexit ( and still doesn't ) ,,,, even brexitiers must see that ,, surely !!!" Imo it wasn’t about the government, and it wasn’t about leave voters. It was about those who promoted brexit with no plan to resolve the Irish borde challenge. If vote leave, Gove, Boris et al had a plan for this (or at least didn’t have a plan for everything else which made the border problem close to unsolveabke) the. We wouldn’t have wasted the last two years and reached this in passé. But instead of addressing this underlying point everyone (including MOs and the press) have taken it as an attack in all brexiteers, and all leave voters. It’s almost as if they’re having a field day with the quote. 
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"And now it seems diehard Euro fanatic and leader of the liberal group in the European Parliament Guy Verhofstadt MEP has thrown in his two cents worth as well after Donald Tusk's jibes earlier, Verhofstadt tweeted.... "I doubt that Lucifer would welcome them as after what they did to Britain, they would even manage to divide Hell." Yep with friends like these who needs enemies? "Divide and conquer...  it's where they went wrong in the 40's.. | |||
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"he only said what a lot of us were thinking.... and in fact a lot of us are still asking "whats the plan?" because it seems to change every week.... speaking of which.... looks like we will get another amendable motion debate next week..... whooppee!!!! The reason it's bollocked up is two fold... - Bitter eu leaders like junker and tusk - a tory fuck up from Cameron upto may. Weak willed arse kissing from a feeble government " Auw diddums, the nasty EU didn't just roll over and give us everything we want, even though we have no fucking idea what it is we want, the nasty EU won't give into our clear as shit demands... Fucking wake up! | |||
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"hahahaha i love reading these posts wow so many experts from leave and remain how you all aint working running the country is a mystery to me.oh thats rite leavers swallow all the leave propaganda and remainers swallow all the remain propaganda should all have ya own minds instead of parroting what ya see or read from both camps who have there own agendas.whatever are you all gona argue about once brexit is over one way or another "It is called talking and discussing in the virtual world. Same kind of thing many people used to do in their local pub - you know - talk about stuff. What exactly is so wrong with people having opinions and arguing the toss??? | |||
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"there a difference with debating and hurling insults at each other if one dosent share the others opinion. both sides bad as each other.makes me laugh that people belive a word that come from politicians be they lab cons or from the e.u. peeps belive that they have the best intrests of the ones they represent.goverments the world over are answerable to big buisness and no one else. if you think any of them give a flying fuck about the common ppl then you carry on eating the shit they all feed to the masses" I suppose you've never voted and see no point in being complicit in the illusion of democracy . Good for you.. How exactly does that help..? | |||
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"voted tory once in the early 90 s and was gona vote labour once but the leader john smith died and was replaced with the master of deception saint tony so swerved that election since then have come to the conclusion neither of them offer me anything neither do any of the other partys so until then i am not on the electoral roll" p.s. the only good thing that will come from brexit wether we leave or stay is that a lot of people are finally realising that the great and the good who rule us from any party aint got a fucking clue.hopefully peeps will start taking them for what they are. liars and charlatans every last one of them | |||
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"voted tory once in the early 90 s and was gona vote labour once but the leader john smith died and was replaced with the master of deception saint tony so swerved that election since then have come to the conclusion neither of them offer me anything neither do any of the other partys so until then i am not on the electoral roll" If everyone who felt like you voted green instead of abstaining. The country would have more of a chance. | |||
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"there a difference with debating and hurling insults at each other if one dosent share the others opinion. both sides bad as each other.makes me laugh that people belive a word that come from politicians be they lab cons or from the e.u. peeps belive that they have the best intrests of the ones they represent.goverments the world over are answerable to big buisness and no one else. if you think any of them give a flying fuck about the common ppl then you carry on eating the shit they all feed to the masses" You are correct in what you say as political parties everywhere do not care about the public, they are under the control of business and even more powerful puppet masters. The public are treated like mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed bullshit. | |||
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"voted tory once in the early 90 s and was gona vote labour once but the leader john smith died and was replaced with the master of deception saint tony so swerved that election since then have come to the conclusion neither of them offer me anything neither do any of the other partys so until then i am not on the electoral roll If everyone who felt like you voted green instead of abstaining. The country would have more of a chance. " the greens are about as relevent as the lib dems | |||
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"voted tory once in the early 90 s and was gona vote labour once but the leader john smith died and was replaced with the master of deception saint tony so swerved that election since then have come to the conclusion neither of them offer me anything neither do any of the other partys so until then i am not on the electoral roll If everyone who felt like you voted green instead of abstaining. The country would have more of a chance. " Climate change and the future of our planet and species isn't high on the agenda for most. Apathy won't prevent catastrophic climate change. Vote green ...! if you don't give a fuck .. | |||
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"voted tory once in the early 90 s and was gona vote labour once but the leader john smith died and was replaced with the master of deception saint tony so swerved that election since then have come to the conclusion neither of them offer me anything neither do any of the other partys so until then i am not on the electoral roll If everyone who felt like you voted green instead of abstaining. The country would have more of a chance. the greens are about as relevent as the lib dems" Most people agree with their agenda, when polled on policy without seeing which party is proposing the policy. The point of the party isn’t to take power, but to pressure the government into take a more green stance. Rather like the opposite of UKIP who pressurised the Tories to shifting further to the right. It’s a worthy vote in my opinion. | |||
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"The argument for Brexit is so laughable, and the points made by Brexiteers so delusional, that I can't be bothered arguing with them any more. Unfortunately Tusk is right when he says there is no political will in the UK to stop this madness. All based on "the will of the people", when it was only just over half of those who voted, and based on lies and fantasies and a complete lack of understanding of what Brexit meant and how it could be implemented. We are leaving. We need to get used to it and accept it. " It would not surprise me if Theresa May unilaterally revoked Article 50 on March 28th or 29th citing reasons of national security - and then resigned. There is past form with things like this. Who can forget the UK pulling out of the ERM at the last minute? I got caught out then, just having sold a house in Spain about three weeks before. I have been planning for a calamitous no deal departure for the last two years as I have been selling off assets in the US and have a big wedge ready to transfer over to GBP at the most optimum moment. Knowing when that moment might be though is becoming an increasingly fraught game of chance. A no deal departure should see the £GBP sink by at least another 10%-15% against the $USD but a sudden revokation could easily see the existing 15% loss in value made up again within a couple of days. Selfishly, £GBP parity with the $USD would be dreamland for me - though I can't see it getting that low unless the entire country then dissolves into a chaotic post-Brexit meltdown. I hate Brexit and what it is doing and will do to the country - but every cloud..... | |||
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"Tusk is a skilled politician and would not say anything without fully understanding the impact of his words and with an agenda. So what was behind his speech? My guess is that it signals a potential compromise from the EU upon which he can blame the "hard line Brexiteers" for being unreasonable but not to worry citizens of Europe because they are going to hell! I suspect all sides are looking at finding a way out of this mess without people being able to say someone caved in. Sadly it is all politics and ego. " I think the real reason the likes of Tusk and Verhofstadt are so pissed and are using this kind of undiplomatic language now is because they've suddenly realised their wet dream of reversing the result through another referendum has gone up in smoke and won't happen. Unlike in other EU countries who have voted against the EU through referendums but have had those votes reversed through subsequent votes, the UK is different in that we respect democracy here and will carry out the result. As foreign secretary Jeremy Hunt said a few months ago if the EU think we won't leave then they have fundamentally misunderstood the British psyche and the British people. Most of Europe on the mainland have never really understood the British but the penny may have finally dropped with the German's who said In a begging letter to appeal to the UK to stay the other week that they now realise sovereignty and independence is paramount to the UK and comes before anything else. Much to Tusk and Verhofstadt's annoyance the referendum result was backed up in a general election in 2017 where 85% of the electorate voted for parties with a brexit manifesto, and none of the polls have indicated any great shift in public opinion. Tusk also had a dig at remainers in the UK yesterday and said there is no effective opposition to Brexit either. Yesterday the EU's mask slipped and the kind of language Tusk and Verhofstadt used indicated that Brexit has beat them in the UK, they can't reverse it and we are leaving. | |||
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"The argument for Brexit is so laughable, and the points made by Brexiteers so delusional, that I can't be bothered arguing with them any more. Unfortunately Tusk is right when he says there is no political will in the UK to stop this madness. All based on "the will of the people", when it was only just over half of those who voted, and based on lies and fantasies and a complete lack of understanding of what Brexit meant and how it could be implemented. We are leaving. We need to get used to it and accept it. It would not surprise me if Theresa May unilaterally revoked Article 50 on March 28th or 29th citing reasons of national security - and then resigned. There is past form with things like this. Who can forget the UK pulling out of the ERM at the last minute? I got caught out then, just having sold a house in Spain about three weeks before. I have been planning for a calamitous no deal departure for the last two years as I have been selling off assets in the US and have a big wedge ready to transfer over to GBP at the most optimum moment. Knowing when that moment might be though is becoming an increasingly fraught game of chance. A no deal departure should see the £GBP sink by at least another 10%-15% against the $USD but a sudden revokation could easily see the existing 15% loss in value made up again within a couple of days. Selfishly, £GBP parity with the $USD would be dreamland for me - though I can't see it getting that low unless the entire country then dissolves into a chaotic post-Brexit meltdown. I hate Brexit and what it is doing and will do to the country - but every cloud....." I can’t see her quitting this close to the finish she asnt had a good week since being pm yet she’s fought on it would be a bigger shock than when Duran quit against Leonard lol | |||
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"All Tusk did was hold up a mirror. Some people didn't like what they saw. All Tusk did was point out the obvious - the people who championed Brexit had no idea how to implement it. Yet the people who voted for it take like some personal insult. " All part of an orchestrated political plan designed to allow a compromise that sees the UK govt and the EU having the Brexiteer politicians to blame if it doesn't work. | |||
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"The plan is: Fuck us all up to get richer than they already are and then blame it on JC and Labour. It may even work if the likes of some here are anything to go by. (By the way not having a go at anyone, just making an observation (and I commend you for his honesty, most will not admit to supporting the Tories but in the privacy of the voting booth will give them their X and then claim they could not foresee the bastards fucking them over). At least some here are honest about enjoying punching down when the opportunity presents (shame they haven't noticed the great big boot on all our necks). As always Will, thanks for your vote to leave and adding your vote to the 17.4 million on the winning side.
There's no winning side. Haven't you worked that out yet?
Can you count?
52% is bigger than 48%
Look around you chief. The country's bitterly divided and nothing getting done.
Pull your f*cking head out of your arse.
You have about the same level of diplomacy skills as Donald Tusk with comments like that. Tut Tut.
And you know what, we're both right.
No you're not. What you've shown here is you have the same mentality as Tusk, the same level of diplomacy skills as him, and you have no class or decorum. "Just like the beer soaked, nicotine stained, frog faced Farage then | |||
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"Tusk is a skilled politician and would not say anything without fully understanding the impact of his words and with an agenda. So what was behind his speech? My guess is that it signals a potential compromise from the EU upon which he can blame the "hard line Brexiteers" for being unreasonable but not to worry citizens of Europe because they are going to hell! I suspect all sides are looking at finding a way out of this mess without people being able to say someone caved in. Sadly it is all politics and ego. " I agree he is a skilled politician, and totally understood the significance of the tweet, but for me it signals a hardening of his, and Europe’s position, he pretty much told TM and brexiteers to fuck off to hell instead of coming to Brussels to renegotiate an agreed deal because they don’t know what they want!! | |||
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" Tusk's speech just demonstrates his true colours and what is wrong with the eu. so if that is the case do the likes of Mark Francois and Daniel Kawcyzski words and actions (just to name two brexiteer tory mps from the last 7 days) to use your same words "demostrate their true colours and what is wrong with the UK" just curious........" Your wishy washy request is irrelevant! 1. Is the eu open to discuss renegotiations to avoid a no deal brexit? No! 2. Did theresa may agree to a shit deal that's unacceptable ? YES! Your request for me to name two mps? I don't know, because mr. Fabio it's fucking irrelevant! | |||
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"If the nasty foreign man saying nasty words makes them melt it doesn’t bode well for that bulldog spirit that’s going to see them deal with post brexit. British Bullshit Snowflakes grow up"Untwist your knickers dear | |||
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"I see Sir John Major is now echoing what Tusk said. Young people will "never forgive or forget" the Brexiteers responsible for this steaming turd. This is the bit that sums it up: “It is the first time in our long history that any British government has embraced a policy of self-harm, despite their own advisers warning that it will make our nation weaker – and our people poorer.” " It's what leavers want though so why deny them | |||
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"As a parent I've learnt to allow my children to fall and learn from their mistakes.Youve got to let them skin their knees and split their lips through poor choices . Same for brexit . "There is something to be said for that. As a nation we have been insulated from our poor decisions for generations. The only down-side to this thought process though is that the resulting bleak landscape may well result in the rise of more extreme voices who finally see that foreigners were not to blame after all and we end up with some kind of period of great political instability and continue harsh divisions. | |||
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" The only down-side to this thought process though is that the resulting bleak landscape may well result in the rise of more extreme voices who finally see that foreigners were not to blame after all and we end up with some kind of period of great political instability and continue harsh divisions." I think that's right. Brexit was sold to voters as a remedy for whatever grievance they had. Many will discover it was no remedy at all. It'll be the same shit, only deeper on a different day. Who will get the backlash from that? We're already seeing the Brextremists saying it's all going to be the fault of the EU or people who voted remain. I can see a few custard pies hitting the Johnsons, Rees-Moggs, of this world. | |||
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"As a parent I've learnt to allow my children to fall and learn from their mistakes.Youve got to let them skin their knees and split their lips through poor choices . Same for brexit . "Very true, and I guess all parents do allow a certain amount of leeway to let them lmake mistakes and learn from it, And get scratches and scrapes, but you wouldn’t want them to get deep cuts that will leave them with scars for life!! | |||
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" Tusk's speech just demonstrates his true colours and what is wrong with the eu. so if that is the case do the likes of Mark Francois and Daniel Kawcyzski words and actions (just to name two brexiteer tory mps from the last 7 days) to use your same words "demostrate their true colours and what is wrong with the UK" just curious........ Your wishy washy request is irrelevant! 1. Is the eu open to discuss renegotiations to avoid a no deal brexit? No! 2. Did theresa may agree to a shit deal that's unacceptable ? YES! Your request for me to name two mps? I don't know, because mr. Fabio it's fucking irrelevant! " It’s not irrelevant because I was trying to see if you are holding people to the same standards Go and see what mark Francois did when speaking about the airbus chairman Go and see what kawcyznski tweeted when he saw the uk wasn’t going to get his way.... See the comparison Jeremy hunt made and the reaction he got when he compared the eu to a Soviet Union goulag.... And yet the right were up in arms when juncker tweeted a cake and a cherry! So no... if you are going to hold people to a standard then everyone should uphold that standard! | |||
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"Hilarious to see and hear the predictable indignation of the Brexit crowd. All he did was say it how it was and immediately the guilty got all defensive. "I have been wondering what the special place in hell looks like for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it safely" Fail to plan - plan to fail. Guilty as charged" He should know what "Hell" looks like, his grandfather made a living hell for so many. | |||
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"As a parent I've learnt to allow my children to fall and learn from their mistakes.Youve got to let them skin their knees and split their lips through poor choices . Same for brexit .
There is something to be said for that. As a nation we have been insulated from our poor decisions for generations.
"We were insulated from the ERM when we were expelled from it. Similarly we have insulated ourselves from the problems of the Euro and the poor decisions that were made around it by the rest of the EU who joined the single currency. Seems to be a recurring theme throughout history that the more we distance ourselves from the EU, the better we end up doing. Funny enough then it's the same people like Blair, Clegg, Mandelson and Campbell who said the UK would be a basket case if we were outside of the ERM and the Euro, who are saying now we'll be a basket case if we leave the EU. Whatever those individuals say then it seems a good idea to do the complete opposite. | |||
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"As a parent I've learnt to allow my children to fall and learn from their mistakes.Youve got to let them skin their knees and split their lips through poor choices . Same for brexit .
There is something to be said for that. As a nation we have been insulated from our poor decisions for generations.
We were insulated from the ERM when we were expelled from it. Similarly we have insulated ourselves from the problems of the Euro and the poor decisions that were made around it by the rest of the EU who joined the single currency. Seems to be a recurring theme throughout history that the more we distance ourselves from the EU, the better we end up doing.
Funny enough then it's the same people like Blair, Clegg, Mandelson and Campbell who said the UK would be a basket case if we were outside of the ERM and the Euro, who are saying now we'll be a basket case if we leave the EU. Whatever those individuals say then it seems a good idea to do the complete opposite. "Or not? The benefit we have gained from joining the EU (in all its guises) has been immense. The great thing about it is that we don’t have to follow a homogeneous solution every time. In fact many of the things Brexiteers have complained most about have been within the control of Parliament anyway. Brexit ‘benefits’ are just made up by the very establishment you rail against - Mogg, Johnson, Gove and Farage are as establishment as you get | |||
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"I see Sir John Major is now echoing what Tusk said. Young people will "never forgive or forget" the Brexiteers responsible for this steaming turd. This is the bit that sums it up: “It is the first time in our long history that any British government has embraced a policy of self-harm, despite their own advisers warning that it will make our nation weaker – and our people poorer.” " Not all people! Only those on the lower income bracket. Cameron, ids and Osborne will be fine! As will be the established elite | |||
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"Hilarious to see and hear the predictable indignation of the Brexit crowd. All he did was say it how it was and immediately the guilty got all defensive. "I have been wondering what the special place in hell looks like for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it safely" Fail to plan - plan to fail. Guilty as charged He should know what "Hell" looks like, his grandfather made a living hell for so many. " Excellent and pertinent point, holding someone responsible for acts carried out before they were born | |||
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"As a parent I've learnt to allow my children to fall and learn from their mistakes.Youve got to let them skin their knees and split their lips through poor choices . Same for brexit .
There is something to be said for that. As a nation we have been insulated from our poor decisions for generations.
We were insulated from the ERM when we were expelled from it. Similarly we have insulated ourselves from the problems of the Euro and the poor decisions that were made around it by the rest of the EU who joined the single currency. Seems to be a recurring theme throughout history that the more we distance ourselves from the EU, the better we end up doing.
Funny enough then it's the same people like Blair, Clegg, Mandelson and Campbell who said the UK would be a basket case if we were outside of the ERM and the Euro, who are saying now we'll be a basket case if we leave the EU. Whatever those individuals say then it seems a good idea to do the complete opposite. "Oh, wait, are you saying that we've been able to pick and choose what we want to do? Are you saying that the EU hasn't dictated to us what we have to do? Did we isolate ourselves from a completely open market? Did we isolate ourselves from setting regulations? Did we isolate ourselves from 60 FTAs? You contradict yourself with every argument that you ever make | |||
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" Tusk's speech just demonstrates his true colours and what is wrong with the eu. so if that is the case do the likes of Mark Francois and Daniel Kawcyzski words and actions (just to name two brexiteer tory mps from the last 7 days) to use your same words "demostrate their true colours and what is wrong with the UK" just curious........ Your wishy washy request is irrelevant! 1. Is the eu open to discuss renegotiations to avoid a no deal brexit? No! 2. Did theresa may agree to a shit deal that's unacceptable ? YES! Your request for me to name two mps? I don't know, because mr. Fabio it's fucking irrelevant! It’s not irrelevant because I was trying to see if you are holding people to the same standards Go and see what mark Francois did when speaking about the airbus chairman Go and see what kawcyznski tweeted when he saw the uk wasn’t going to get his way.... See the comparison Jeremy hunt made and the reaction he got when he compared the eu to a Soviet Union goulag.... And yet the right were up in arms when juncker tweeted a cake and a cherry! So no... if you are going to hold people to a standard then everyone should uphold that standard!" Are you assuming i don't? Not that it's important. What is important is that deals and comprises are made. That's how these highly paid so called profesdionals should behave. this shit playing out ahead of and looming up on 29th March is what you should be focusing on! The near future is what's important, not that history lesson you gave me (fascinating as it is) Look ahead , not behind! I sense mr. Fabio, you enjoyed Tusk's stupid remarks & want people to suffer under a hard brexit, just to gloat over cheap and petty point scoring. Am i right? | |||
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"It is pretty undeniable that staying in the EU is the best deal for most people in the UK. Brexit is just complete & utter bollox. Trying to pursue an outcome we know to be wrong for the majority should be stopped - the Tory ideology driving this is formed out of the hankering after the Empire and it does not represent us! Tusk is just telling it like it is & its about time Brexiteers opened their eyes and ears "Hard or soft or both types of Brexiteers? | |||
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"It is pretty undeniable that staying in the EU is the best deal for most people in the UK. Brexit is just complete & utter bollox. Trying to pursue an outcome we know to be wrong for the majority should be stopped - the Tory ideology driving this is formed out of the hankering after the Empire and it does not represent us! Tusk is just telling it like it is & its about time Brexiteers opened their eyes and ears
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"Hilarious to see and hear the predictable indignation of the Brexit crowd. All he did was say it how it was and immediately the guilty got all defensive. "I have been wondering what the special place in hell looks like for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it safely" Fail to plan - plan to fail. Guilty as charged" Or, not guilty as charged and Donald Tusk, not telling it like it is. MEP and Ukip party leader Gerard Batten came up with a plan for leaving the EU in 2014, which he wrote about in a book, a full 2 years before the referendum in 2016. He also published the full plan online in 2017, two years before Donald Tusk's comments. This video shows Gerard Batten launching UKIP's plan for leaving the EU online in 2017, there is a link at the end of the video where you can read the full plan/document, which is over 100 pages long.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD0oKRacwRs The following video shows Gerard Batten speaking last week, after Donald Tusk's comments, where he mentions writing about the plan in a book in 2014, and also shows the published 2017 document.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOlPVLH_eOg Looks like Brexiteers have a get out of Hell free card here. | |||
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"Hilarious to see and hear the predictable indignation of the Brexit crowd. All he did was say it how it was and immediately the guilty got all defensive. "I have been wondering what the special place in hell looks like for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it safely" Fail to plan - plan to fail. Guilty as charged Or, not guilty as charged and Donald Tusk, not telling it like it is. MEP and Ukip party leader Gerard Batten came up with a plan for leaving the EU in 2014, which he wrote about in a book, a full 2 years before the referendum in 2016. He also published the full plan online in 2017, two years before Donald Tusk's comments. This video shows Gerard Batten launching UKIP's plan for leaving the EU online in 2017, there is a link at the end of the video where you can read the full plan/document, which is over 100 pages long.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD0oKRacwRs The following video shows Gerard Batten speaking last week, after Donald Tusk's comments, where he mentions writing about the plan in a book in 2014, and also shows the published 2017 document.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOlPVLH_eOg Looks like Brexiteers have a get out of Hell free card here. "Have you read it? I have started and it's not a plan. It's a UKIP wank fantasy. | |||
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"Hilarious to see and hear the predictable indignation of the Brexit crowd. All he did was say it how it was and immediately the guilty got all defensive. "I have been wondering what the special place in hell looks like for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it safely" Fail to plan - plan to fail. Guilty as charged Or, not guilty as charged and Donald Tusk, not telling it like it is. MEP and Ukip party leader Gerard Batten came up with a plan for leaving the EU in 2014, which he wrote about in a book, a full 2 years before the referendum in 2016. He also published the full plan online in 2017, two years before Donald Tusk's comments. This video shows Gerard Batten launching UKIP's plan for leaving the EU online in 2017, there is a link at the end of the video where you can read the full plan/document, which is over 100 pages long.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD0oKRacwRs The following video shows Gerard Batten speaking last week, after Donald Tusk's comments, where he mentions writing about the plan in a book in 2014, and also shows the published 2017 document.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOlPVLH_eOg Looks like Brexiteers have a get out of Hell free card here.
Have you read it? I have started and it's not a plan. It's a UKIP wank fantasy."Maybe Tusk should have specific those with no plan and those with a bullshit plan. | |||
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"Hilarious to see and hear the predictable indignation of the Brexit crowd. All he did was say it how it was and immediately the guilty got all defensive. "I have been wondering what the special place in hell looks like for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it safely" Fail to plan - plan to fail. Guilty as charged Or, not guilty as charged and Donald Tusk, not telling it like it is. MEP and Ukip party leader Gerard Batten came up with a plan for leaving the EU in 2014, which he wrote about in a book, a full 2 years before the referendum in 2016. He also published the full plan online in 2017, two years before Donald Tusk's comments. This video shows Gerard Batten launching UKIP's plan for leaving the EU online in 2017, there is a link at the end of the video where you can read the full plan/document, which is over 100 pages long.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD0oKRacwRs The following video shows Gerard Batten speaking last week, after Donald Tusk's comments, where he mentions writing about the plan in a book in 2014, and also shows the published 2017 document.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOlPVLH_eOg Looks like Brexiteers have a get out of Hell free card here. "Ohh for fucks sake.... How much influence has Batten got in the Brexit process.... I'll give you a clue, it's between -1 & 1, or if struggling, it's 0%, nill, nada, feck all. Who is in charge of the Brexit process... The Government, and how much of a working plan have they had really, I'll give you a clue, it's between -1 & 1, or if struggling, it's 0%, nill, nada, feck all. Farage's plan but he has no say in the Brexit process is a crash out on WTO so really that's another big fat between -1 & 1, or if struggling, it's 0%, nill, nada, feck all of a plan. " Looks like Brexiteers have a get out of Hell free card here.
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"The plan was for the EU to cave and not do custom checks, even though we had left the CU. Because they need us etc etc. I guess it’s a plan. On a scale of 1 to 10, I’d put it at balderick. It certainly seems to have gone to pot once the first shots were fired. " Actually yes that's true, all the Brexiteers did have a plan, and that plan was for the EU to buckle & surrender and give us everything and beg us for free trade deals on our terms | |||
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"The plan was for the EU to cave and not do custom checks, even though we had left the CU. Because they need us etc etc. I guess it’s a plan. On a scale of 1 to 10, I’d put it at balderick. It certainly seems to have gone to pot once the first shots were fired. Actually yes that's true, all the Brexiteers did have a plan, and that plan was for the EU to buckle & surrender and give us everything and beg us for free trade deals on our terms "Their position on the trade ageeement seems even more confused. We shouldn’t waste time negotiating. We should tell them current FTA or walk away. And they will accept current deal as they need us more than we need them. The negotiations will be over in an afternoon (it really says this). But if they do tell us no deal, it’s okay we can use article 24* and negotiate over the next 10 years. So by walk away we mean stay where we are. And in the meantime we will be on the current FtA terms. You know, the ones they said no to. * still haven’t seen anybody with an ounce of credibility on WTO terms back this position up, but let’s run with it here. | |||
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