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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"If you are worried about businesses and job creators leaving Britain after Brexit, don't. They won't"

The headline on a Leave.EU poster in 2016.

Alongside it were the brands of some big companies.

Airbus, Ford, Nissan, Toyota, Mini, Vauxhall, Honda, Bentley.

Eyes down for a full house of bullshit.

How many of these companies have moved production overseas, cancelled investment or made job losses?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark here and say "ALL OF THEM".

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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

All of those companies whose brands appeared on the Leave poster have shifted production, reduced production, cancelled investment, or warned of such actions.

And yet there are people who continue to believe anything they say, like the followers of a cult who are blind and deaf to all but their own dogma.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There all except one foreign owned car companies.

If we had a British owned car company making cars in say Russia for a Russian market I would expect the same result.

As a Russian you would have to weigh up the pros and cons.

Japanese car firms are not here making cars for tea and scones, were a profit margin for them, I think we all can respect that and at the same time we have to realise what's best for us in the long term, maybe being a constant importer with huge debts working for foreign owned corporations and struggling to pay for services is the limit of our capabilities?.

I really don't know the answer myself but I voted leave on the HOPE that the long term future is better than what I see today and the long term sinking trend I've seen in my lifetime.

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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Which one of those companies is not foreign-owned?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Which one of those companies is not foreign-owned?"
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Airbus?

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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Airbus is owned by EADS, so no.

None of these companies is British.

Another own goal for the quitters.

It's the hallmark of this debacle from day one.

Setting out the position of third parties and building your rhetoric around it.

The quitters did it with these companies.

The Tories keep doing it with the EU.

And then they wonder why they keep getting bitten on the arse?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Airbus is owned by EADS, so no.

None of these companies is British.

Another own goal for the quitters.

It's the hallmark of this debacle from day one.

Setting out the position of third parties and building your rhetoric around it.

The quitters did it with these companies.

The Tories keep doing it with the EU.

And then they wonder why they keep getting bitten on the arse?

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I think you've misread,I said all but one of those is a foreign owned car company,I just thought you'd get that Airbus isn't a foreign owned car company.

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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Follow the money.

And in the case of “British industry”, nine times out of ten that takes you to boardrooms in foreign countries.

Their plants in Britain are part of a $20 trillion free trade area, with preferential access to 70 odd markets elsewhere.

From March 30, those plants become isolated in a $3tn economy walled in by tarrif barriers.

They will be looking at the forecasts from the BoE of shrinkage to a $2.7 tn economy behind trade walls.

And making decisions about the viability of their plants here.

Put two fingers up to globalism if you like. But when most of the country’s industry is in the hands of global capitalists abroad, the cards are well and truly stacked against you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Follow the money.

And in the case of “British industry”, nine times out of ten that takes you to boardrooms in foreign countries.

Their plants in Britain are part of a $20 trillion free trade area, with preferential access to 70 odd markets elsewhere.

From March 30, those plants become isolated in a $3tn economy walled in by tarrif barriers.

They will be looking at the forecasts from the BoE of shrinkage to a $2.7 tn economy behind trade walls.

And making decisions about the viability of their plants here.

Put two fingers up to globalism if you like. But when most of the country’s industry is in the hands of global capitalists abroad, the cards are well and truly stacked against you."
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I'm well aware of how markets work, I still choose to try swimming in a different direction, if remain had won I'd except your point of view while disagreeing with it, democracy isn't perfect but it's the best thing we've come up with so far.

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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Leave won.

Leave promised no exodus of business.

Leave was wrong.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Leave won.

Leave promised no exodus of business.

Leave was wrong."
Many companies have also opened in the UK,you only look at the short term and the negative.

This nation has 70mill people and we are a great consuming nation.Lets assume that to sell here there will be tariffs ok.Well if you want to sell to us the best way will be to manufacture here to avoid the tariffs so firms will also relocate to the UK it will be a two way street.

Also most of the EU is going into recession and where will you sell more?Greece,Spain,Italy,Portugal Poland etc.The answer is the UK so firms will come here.All we have to do is have high tariffs so the best way to sell to us is to manufacture here,problem solved.I hope the stupid polititions have worked this out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Leave won.

Leave promised no exodus of business.

Leave was wrong."
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I've no idea who promised what as I didn't listen to a single debate or argument from either side and none of them have my interests at heart.

I simply voted from my life experiences.

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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The UK is moving from co-operation with 30+ nations to competition.

Our allies are now our competitors.

It won’t happen overnight.

But over a 5-10 year period, using the combination of tariffs and relocation incentives, our competitors will pick off “British” industry.

Unless we beat them to it and sacrifice all manufacturing and agriculture to a zero-tariff policy.

On the insanity scale, that would be up there with the best. Brexit sets new standards for insanity, however.

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