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"The Japanese have pulled the X trail from Sunderland only 1 day after the EU/Japanese trade deal came into effect! Are they copying Trump (America First) and build cars in Japan and export from there now?" If true - and it is not yet confirmed by Nissan, it is a big backtrack. If you recall that Nissan announced this investment in 2016 after discussions with Theresa May and assurances given about the ongoing trade relationship with the EU. I think this will be the template of Brexit consequences for large manufacturers. It won’t be about moving construction (unless regulatory issues require it), but a slow reduction in investment until current production models become obsolete. The current direction of travel for Brexit will probably result in almost all manufacturing departing these shores in a decade or so. But not to worry - the Minford/Brexit plannis to create more service type jobs in pubs, bars, cafe’s and hotels. Replacing highly paid skilled jobs with elementary labour. That should work well in closing the wealth gap lol | |||
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"The effects of Brexit will be short-term, medium-term and long-term. I do not know when. It will last for years. But Japanese car manufacturing here is finished. Today, a car made in Japan has a 10% tariff. In 2027, it has zero tariff. Every year it reduces. A car made in the UK from March 29 has a tariff of? Dunno. But you don't need to be a boffin to figure it out. Cars made in the UK will be more expensive, while cars made in Japan become cheaper. Nissan moved here because it wanted entry to the single market. Now its UK manufacturing plant is outside the single market, while its manufacturing plant in Japan is on the inside. It's not rocket science. " Exactly so the new trade deal eu/japan and an over supplied market not Brexit is the reason for Nissan changing plans. I actually am involved in manufacturing, voted leave and am optimistic in the long term we will be better off. So much has gone over the years as we pay to make factories in Eastern Europe more efficient so they can out compete us. We should have more confidence in ourselves. | |||
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"The effects of Brexit will be short-term, medium-term and long-term. I do not know when. It will last for years. But Japanese car manufacturing here is finished. Today, a car made in Japan has a 10% tariff. In 2027, it has zero tariff. Every year it reduces. A car made in the UK from March 29 has a tariff of? Dunno. But you don't need to be a boffin to figure it out. Cars made in the UK will be more expensive, while cars made in Japan become cheaper. Nissan moved here because it wanted entry to the single market. Now its UK manufacturing plant is outside the single market, while its manufacturing plant in Japan is on the inside. It's not rocket science. Exactly so the new trade deal eu/japan and an over supplied market not Brexit is the reason for Nissan changing plans. I actually am involved in manufacturing, voted leave and am optimistic in the long term we will be better off. So much has gone over the years as we pay to make factories in Eastern Europe more efficient so they can out compete us. We should have more confidence in ourselves." If it’s because of the EU trade deal, then it is brexit...  | |||
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"Actually is it all do do with brexit? For a while, nissan struggled to sell diesel powered suv's., their popularity seems to be wavering. I worked there at the time on the shipping of cars. Renault made the diesel engines but if petrol engines need supplying they'd have to come from japan. Brexit may not help but csnt be the main reason as suggested here " Very true | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us," Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. | |||
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"Actually is it all do do with brexit? For a while, nissan struggled to sell diesel powered suv's., their popularity seems to be wavering. I worked there at the time on the shipping of cars. Renault made the diesel engines but if petrol engines need supplying they'd have to come from japan. Brexit may not help but csnt be the main reason as suggested here " Same with Jaguar/Land Rover and their falling sales figures are due to falling popularity of Diesel engines and slow down of the Chinese economy. It's just a lazy remainer excuse to blame everything on Brexit. | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us," I see where you are coming from, and lightly disagree. However, this is a running theme, plenty of criticism of the current power of large buisess in a globalised world - and that's good. But what are the alternatives, how do you reign this in without making the varying metrics we wish to measure and improve, worse - then better. | |||
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"The effects of Brexit will be short-term, medium-term and long-term. I do not know when. It will last for years. But Japanese car manufacturing here is finished. Today, a car made in Japan has a 10% tariff. In 2027, it has zero tariff. Every year it reduces. A car made in the UK from March 29 has a tariff of? Dunno. But you don't need to be a boffin to figure it out. Cars made in the UK will be more expensive, while cars made in Japan become cheaper. Nissan moved here because it wanted entry to the single market. Now its UK manufacturing plant is outside the single market, while its manufacturing plant in Japan is on the inside. It's not rocket science. Exactly so the new trade deal eu/japan and an over supplied market not Brexit is the reason for Nissan changing plans. I actually am involved in manufacturing, voted leave and am optimistic in the long term we will be better off. So much has gone over the years as we pay to make factories in Eastern Europe more efficient so they can out compete us. We should have more confidence in ourselves." If you work in manufacturing how come you don't already know that the UK is the 6th largest manufacturing country in the world? And, as your involved in manufacturing, maybe you can explain to me how, making it harder to sell our manufactured goods to a largest customer (the EU) and 60 other smaller customer at the same time, is going to help? | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us, Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. " Yet another BREXIT lie. A claim by Pro-Brexit Euro-MP Daniel Hannan that “the EU gave Ford a grant to relocate from Southampton to Turkey” is tendentious. In 2012 Ford did receive a LOAN from the European Investment Bank (EIB), an EU institution, of around £150 million for a factory in Turkey. The loan was NOT to relocate, as Hannan says, though it occurred around the same time as Ford chose to close its factory in Southampton. As such, the loan stirred controversy in local newspapers. But it should be put in context of EIB lending in Britain, which was worth around £6 billion in 2015. EIB loans fund projects like Crossrail and the Midlands Metropolitan Hospital in Birmingham. Notably, the SAME bank lent Ford £450 million in 2010 to develop a new generation of greener vehicles in the UK. | |||
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"The X Trail is a diesel car. And guess what? Diesel cars aren't selling worldwide. Nothing to do with Brexit, other than to satisfy some people's political leanings. Watch this space regarding Nissan!" Odd that you say it's a diesel....there's a petrol version too | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us, Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. " Not this old canard. There was no EU grant to Ford for moving to Turkey | |||
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"The X Trail is a diesel car. And guess what? Diesel cars aren't selling worldwide. Nothing to do with Brexit, other than to satisfy some people's political leanings. Watch this space regarding Nissan! Odd that you say it's a diesel....there's a petrol version too" As stated above, the petrol engines would have to be shipped in from Japan, at increased cost. Diesel power cars are largely finished....no one wants them! | |||
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"Sunderland. Home of Brexit. Home of Japanese car manufacturing. Bye bye. You got what you voted for. None of these pesky foreigners, coming over here, stealing our car plants. ???? " What were you saying yesterday about Arthur Schopenhauer or does it only apply to other Eu countries ! "To enjoy other people's misfortunes is diabolical" , yet here you are gloating about potential job losses in our country,unbelievable !  | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us, Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. Not this old canard. There was no EU grant to Ford for moving to Turkey" You know that to be a Brexit supporter is a licence to lie, to exaggerate and to deflect. Nothing is off limits as long as the alignment to total Brexitology is maintained. | |||
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" Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. " Fake news. | |||
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" Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. Fake news." Nothing to say about Arthur Schopenhauer today! | |||
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"Sunderland. Home of Brexit. Home of Japanese car manufacturing. Bye bye. You got what you voted for. None of these pesky foreigners, coming over here, stealing our car plants. ???? What were you saying yesterday about Arthur Schopenhauer or does it only apply to other Eu countries ! "To enjoy other people's misfortunes is diabolical" , yet here you are gloating about potential job losses in our country,unbelievable ! "Slightly different scenario. This is a case of taking responsibility for your own decisions in life. No one who works at Nissan and who voted Leave should be in any way surprised at this news and I would presume that they have been making their own contingencies for the slow decline of the Nissan plant and the eventual loss of their job. | |||
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"The effects of Brexit will be short-term, medium-term and long-term. I do not know when. It will last for years. But Japanese car manufacturing here is finished. Today, a car made in Japan has a 10% tariff. In 2027, it has zero tariff. Every year it reduces. A car made in the UK from March 29 has a tariff of? Dunno. But you don't need to be a boffin to figure it out. Cars made in the UK will be more expensive, while cars made in Japan become cheaper. Nissan moved here because it wanted entry to the single market. Now its UK manufacturing plant is outside the single market, while its manufacturing plant in Japan is on the inside. It's not rocket science. Exactly so the new trade deal eu/japan and an over supplied market not Brexit is the reason for Nissan changing plans. I actually am involved in manufacturing, voted leave and am optimistic in the long term we will be better off. So much has gone over the years as we pay to make factories in Eastern Europe more efficient so they can out compete us. We should have more confidence in ourselves. If you work in manufacturing how come you don't already know that the UK is the 6th largest manufacturing country in the world? And, as your involved in manufacturing, maybe you can explain to me how, making it harder to sell our manufactured goods to a largest customer (the EU) and 60 other smaller customer at the same time, is going to help? " I think you are confusing gdp with manufacturing output. From the studies I can see we are somewhere between 7th and 9th depending how certain factors are weighted. It is unfortunate that any poster that isn’t remain has to put with others immediately trying to undermine the person, as though there view is not relevant as they must be stupid to not see that Brexit is all bad. As for cutting us from our biggest market, it won’t. It may take a while to settle but commerce is commerce and trade will go on. What it will do is encourage more added value here and make us become more efficient and allow us to trade on our terms worldwide. We export a small amount of product, into the EU you still have to verify the customers vat status and it is your responsibility to make sure it’s correct. Every transaction has to be completed on the vat submission each qtr. When we export to South Africa, Australia and the USA we have a small amount of extra paperwork but as we are exporting a range of repeat items it’s just copy and paste on the commercial invoices etc the same codes and declarations. The packaging is different because of restrictions on wooden crates etc but again once you’ve done it once just repeat. So if we have one more form to fill then it’s not going to make much difference at all. | |||
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"Sunderland. Home of Brexit. Home of Japanese car manufacturing. Bye bye. You got what you voted for. None of these pesky foreigners, coming over here, stealing our car plants. ???? What were you saying yesterday about Arthur Schopenhauer or does it only apply to other Eu countries ! "To enjoy other people's misfortunes is diabolical" , yet here you are gloating about potential job losses in our country,unbelievable !
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This is a case of taking responsibility for your own decisions in life. No one who works at Nissan and who voted Leave should be in any way surprised at this news and I would presume that they have been making their own contingencies for the slow decline of the Nissan plant and the eventual loss of their job.
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"Anyone notice how any good news (no matter how temporary) is alway proof that brexit is and will be great, however any bad news has nothing to do with brexit according to certain forum posters. Now we have this 'leaked pre-news' from Toyota and the very same people who 2 years ago were cheering the maybots secret deals with car makers as proof that brexit would not hurt industry and that those of us who said that jobs and investment would go were nothing but spewers of 'project fear' propaganda are now cheering that very loss of jobs and investment. FFS there is a video clip floating round faceache right now of an old man (brexiteer) being interviewed for TV news saying "It will be good for the country for the population to go hunger."! Something is very wrong when someone who will be one of the first to suffer is crowing over the immanent prospect of food shortages." No jobs are being lost at Nissan though Will, so not sure where you're getting that from. None of the news surrounding this story has mentioned any job losses. | |||
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"I hear something similar from people who hark bark to the war, we survived the blitz, we'll survive this, blah blah. Can you imagine being in an air raid shelter and discovering half the people had voted for it? " First mention of the war on the thread and yet again it's a remainer bringing it up. Seems to be a regular recurring pattern now. | |||
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"Anyone notice how any good news (no matter how temporary) is alway proof that brexit is and will be great, however any bad news has nothing to do with brexit according to certain forum posters. Now we have this 'leaked pre-news' from Toyota and the very same people who 2 years ago were cheering the maybots secret deals with car makers as proof that brexit would not hurt industry and that those of us who said that jobs and investment would go were nothing but spewers of 'project fear' propaganda are now cheering that very loss of jobs and investment. FFS there is a video clip floating round faceache right now of an old man (brexiteer) being interviewed for TV news saying "It will be good for the country for the population to go hunger."! Something is very wrong when someone who will be one of the first to suffer is crowing over the immanent prospect of food shortages. No jobs are being lost at Nissan though Will, so not sure where you're getting that from. None of the news surrounding this story has mentioned any job losses. " There are no planned job losses at Nissan. They will continue to make the Juke, Qashqai and the electric Leaf. | |||
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" Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. Fake news. Nothing to say about Arthur Schopenhauer today!" Seems like Arthur was just another piece of information found on an internet search and then just as quickly forgotten about! | |||
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"Anyone notice how any good news (no matter how temporary) is alway proof that brexit is and will be great, however any bad news has nothing to do with brexit according to certain forum posters. Now we have this 'leaked pre-news' from Toyota and the very same people who 2 years ago were cheering the maybots secret deals with car makers as proof that brexit would not hurt industry and that those of us who said that jobs and investment would go were nothing but spewers of 'project fear' propaganda are now cheering that very loss of jobs and investment. FFS there is a video clip floating round faceache right now of an old man (brexiteer) being interviewed for TV news saying "It will be good for the country for the population to go hunger."! Something is very wrong when someone who will be one of the first to suffer is crowing over the immanent prospect of food shortages. No jobs are being lost at Nissan though Will, so not sure where you're getting that from. None of the news surrounding this story has mentioned any job losses. " There are no planned job losses at Nissan. They will continue to make the Juke, Qashqai and the electric Leaf. | |||
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"Anyone notice how any good news (no matter how temporary) is alway proof that brexit is and will be great, however any bad news has nothing to do with brexit according to certain forum posters. Now we have this 'leaked pre-news' from Toyota and the very same people who 2 years ago were cheering the maybots secret deals with car makers as proof that brexit would not hurt industry and that those of us who said that jobs and investment would go were nothing but spewers of 'project fear' propaganda are now cheering that very loss of jobs and investment. FFS there is a video clip floating round faceache right now of an old man (brexiteer) being interviewed for TV news saying "It will be good for the country for the population to go hunger."! Something is very wrong when someone who will be one of the first to suffer is crowing over the immanent prospect of food shortages. No jobs are being lost at Nissan though Will, so not sure where you're getting that from. None of the news surrounding this story has mentioned any job losses. There are no planned job losses at Nissan. They will continue to make the Juke, Qashqai and the electric Leaf." The point being if we take the protectionism advocated by Trump "Amerca First", then other countries adopt the same practice, then why shouldn't Japan follow suit? The fact a trade deal is now in force, they could make all their vehicles in Japan and export, as opposed to having massive infrastructure costs etc in a foreign country? | |||
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"Anyone notice how any good news (no matter how temporary) is alway proof that brexit is and will be great, however any bad news has nothing to do with brexit according to certain forum posters. Now we have this 'leaked pre-news' from Toyota and the very same people who 2 years ago were cheering the maybots secret deals with car makers as proof that brexit would not hurt industry and that those of us who said that jobs and investment would go were nothing but spewers of 'project fear' propaganda are now cheering that very loss of jobs and investment. FFS there is a video clip floating round faceache right now of an old man (brexiteer) being interviewed for TV news saying "It will be good for the country for the population to go hunger."! Something is very wrong when someone who will be one of the first to suffer is crowing over the immanent prospect of food shortages. No jobs are being lost at Nissan though Will, so not sure where you're getting that from. None of the news surrounding this story has mentioned any job losses. There are no planned job losses at Nissan. They will continue to make the Juke, Qashqai and the electric Leaf." Was the new investment going to create more jobs ? If not,the job losses will trickle through as technological debt etc starts to appear. If it means less jobs are being created in the area, that’s still not good. Even if it isn’t “easily measured” While I appreciate people are trying to stop the bad news being made worse than it is, it does appear to be bad news. And as with dyson, the fact these were a “pro brexit” headline now means their actions will be given an anti brexit spin. | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us, Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. " So one of the main reasons of brexit is uncontrolled immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe. The EU encourage companies to invest in Eastern Europe thus improving their employment, thus reducing the need to move their families to other countries, thus reducing our immigration, thus their economies improving, thus giving our exporters another market. Seems like a good plan to me. | |||
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"Anyone notice how any good news (no matter how temporary) is alway proof that brexit is and will be great, however any bad news has nothing to do with brexit according to certain forum posters. Now we have this 'leaked pre-news' from Toyota and the very same people who 2 years ago were cheering the maybots secret deals with car makers as proof that brexit would not hurt industry and that those of us who said that jobs and investment would go were nothing but spewers of 'project fear' propaganda are now cheering that very loss of jobs and investment. FFS there is a video clip floating round faceache right now of an old man (brexiteer) being interviewed for TV news saying "It will be good for the country for the population to go hunger."! Something is very wrong when someone who will be one of the first to suffer is crowing over the immanent prospect of food shortages. No jobs are being lost at Nissan though Will, so not sure where you're getting that from. None of the news surrounding this story has mentioned any job losses. There are no planned job losses at Nissan. They will continue to make the Juke, Qashqai and the electric Leaf." Can you really not understand the consequences of this? It's exactly what Airbus has been saying. A new vehicle or aircraft wing requires significant investment to build. Nissan plants compete for work based on their economic competitiveness. Why would you spend that here, on the other side of a tariff barrier. Even 1%? Jobs aren't lost immediately. They are lost over years by running down investment. After the loss of manufacturing then why would you have a European design centre here? Then why bother with one of the international styling studios? If you have a logical argument against this then please lay it out. | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us, Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. So one of the main reasons of brexit is uncontrolled immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe. The EU encourage companies to invest in Eastern Europe thus improving their employment, thus reducing the need to move their families to other countries, thus reducing our immigration, thus their economies improving, thus giving our exporters another market. Seems like a good plan to me." Not 100% correct! 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! 2 like poorer parts of the UK, the EU invest in infrastructure projects in Eastern Europe too! However, just like the UK government giving aid to encourage jobs in regional enterprise zones in the UK, other governments do the same! 3 it's up to business to choose where to manufacturer - that's a business decision! A great example is Dyson - not built in UK as it's cheaper in Asian sweet shops! | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us, Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. So one of the main reasons of brexit is uncontrolled immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe. The EU encourage companies to invest in Eastern Europe thus improving their employment, thus reducing the need to move their families to other countries, thus reducing our immigration, thus their economies improving, thus giving our exporters another market. Seems like a good plan to me. Not 100% correct! 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! 2 like poorer parts of the UK, the EU invest in infrastructure projects in Eastern Europe too! However, just like the UK government giving aid to encourage jobs in regional enterprise zones in the UK, other governments do the same! 3 it's up to business to choose where to manufacturer - that's a business decision! A great example is Dyson - not built in UK as it's cheaper in Asian sweet shops!" Have you ever seen inside the Dyson facilities in Asia? It puts most European factories to shame, with its advanced level of automation, productivity and cleanliness. The same applies to other EU countries that have advanced manufacturing plants in Asia! | |||
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"The Japanese have pulled the X trail from Sunderland only 1 day after the EU/Japanese trade deal came into effect! Are they copying Trump (America First) and build cars in Japan and export from there now?" I saw on the news last night it was going to create 200 new jobs and as it was a diesel its not only about brexit. | |||
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" 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it!" And who was the Home Secretary who decided not to spend money on setting a migrant registration system to enforce the rules? Step forward, Mrs May. | |||
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" 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! And who was the Home Secretary who decided not to spend money on setting a migrant registration system to enforce the rules? Step forward, Mrs May. " It was Tony Blair who didn't put any transitional restrictions on free movement from Eastern European countries in the early 00's. The same Tony Blair who is now bitching and moaning about the vote to Leave and who wants to reverse the decision through another referendum.  | |||
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"After the referendum in 2016, Nissan told the UK plant it would close Sunderland altogether if the UK left with no agreement. The UK Government gave Nissan some sort of sweetener to stay. The details were never published, but reasonable to assume it included an assurance there would be no hard exit. I doubt if the Government's conduct since has inspired any great confidence in the Nissan bosses. A car made in Sunderland uses 5000 components,, apparently. 85 per cent are imported. Its stock is 12 hours. Colin Lawther, the company’s senior vice-president of manufacturing supply chain, told MPs in February 2017 that Nissan had made a "strong request" to the UK Government to stay in the customs union. " Nissan made a commitment to source over 85% of its car parts from within the UK after the vote to Leave. | |||
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"The Japanese have pulled the X trail from Sunderland only 1 day after the EU/Japanese trade deal came into effect! Are they copying Trump (America First) and build cars in Japan and export from there now?I saw on the news last night it was going to create 200 new jobs and as it was a diesel its not only about brexit." Just stop for a moment. Rather than just discussing you heard this or that, explain the logic of why they should continue to invest in the UK rather than the mainland or Japan now that tariffs will be eliminated. For your own satisfaction, make both sides of the argument. | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us, Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. So one of the main reasons of brexit is uncontrolled immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe. The EU encourage companies to invest in Eastern Europe thus improving their employment, thus reducing the need to move their families to other countries, thus reducing our immigration, thus their economies improving, thus giving our exporters another market. Seems like a good plan to me. Not 100% correct! 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! 2 like poorer parts of the UK, the EU invest in infrastructure projects in Eastern Europe too! However, just like the UK government giving aid to encourage jobs in regional enterprise zones in the UK, other governments do the same! 3 it's up to business to choose where to manufacturer - that's a business decision! A great example is Dyson - not built in UK as it's cheaper in Asian sweet shops! Have you ever seen inside the Dyson facilities in Asia? It puts most European factories to shame, with its advanced level of automation, productivity and cleanliness. The same applies to other EU countries that have advanced manufacturing plants in Asia!" Plus Dyson still employs around 3,800 people in the UK. There were just 2 jobs being moved out of the UK from his announcement the other week. | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us, Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. So one of the main reasons of brexit is uncontrolled immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe. The EU encourage companies to invest in Eastern Europe thus improving their employment, thus reducing the need to move their families to other countries, thus reducing our immigration, thus their economies improving, thus giving our exporters another market. Seems like a good plan to me. Not 100% correct! 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! 2 like poorer parts of the UK, the EU invest in infrastructure projects in Eastern Europe too! However, just like the UK government giving aid to encourage jobs in regional enterprise zones in the UK, other governments do the same! 3 it's up to business to choose where to manufacturer - that's a business decision! A great example is Dyson - not built in UK as it's cheaper in Asian sweet shops! Have you ever seen inside the Dyson facilities in Asia? It puts most European factories to shame, with its advanced level of automation, productivity and cleanliness. The same applies to other EU countries that have advanced manufacturing plants in Asia! Plus Dyson still employs around 3,800 people in the UK. There were just 2 jobs being moved out of the UK from his announcement the other week. " Systematic Job losses tend to be big decisions that take time to organise. Not filling vacancies is politically and PR easier. Follow the money. | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us, Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. So one of the main reasons of brexit is uncontrolled immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe. The EU encourage companies to invest in Eastern Europe thus improving their employment, thus reducing the need to move their families to other countries, thus reducing our immigration, thus their economies improving, thus giving our exporters another market. Seems like a good plan to me. Not 100% correct! 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! 2 like poorer parts of the UK, the EU invest in infrastructure projects in Eastern Europe too! However, just like the UK government giving aid to encourage jobs in regional enterprise zones in the UK, other governments do the same! 3 it's up to business to choose where to manufacturer - that's a business decision! A great example is Dyson - not built in UK as it's cheaper in Asian sweet shops! Have you ever seen inside the Dyson facilities in Asia? It puts most European factories to shame, with its advanced level of automation, productivity and cleanliness. The same applies to other EU countries that have advanced manufacturing plants in Asia! Plus Dyson still employs around 3,800 people in the UK. There were just 2 jobs being moved out of the UK from his announcement the other week. " Do you think the two of them will be sitting in a room by themselves? Why are they building their consumer products in Singapore, Malaysia and the Philippines? Why will the new car and associated supplier base and technical jobs be in Singapore not here? Why are they expanding their research centre in Singapore as well? Try answering those questions rather than pointing at something else. | |||
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"After the referendum in 2016, Nissan told the UK plant it would close Sunderland altogether if the UK left with no agreement. The UK Government gave Nissan some sort of sweetener to stay. The details were never published, but reasonable to assume it included an assurance there would be no hard exit. I doubt if the Government's conduct since has inspired any great confidence in the Nissan bosses. A car made in Sunderland uses 5000 components,, apparently. 85 per cent are imported. Its stock is 12 hours. Colin Lawther, the company’s senior vice-president of manufacturing supply chain, told MPs in February 2017 that Nissan had made a "strong request" to the UK Government to stay in the customs union. Nissan made a commitment to source over 85% of its car parts from within the UK after the vote to Leave. " Mondelez made a "commitment" to not close any Cadbury's factories when it bought them. Business is business. | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us, Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. So one of the main reasons of brexit is uncontrolled immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe. The EU encourage companies to invest in Eastern Europe thus improving their employment, thus reducing the need to move their families to other countries, thus reducing our immigration, thus their economies improving, thus giving our exporters another market. Seems like a good plan to me. Not 100% correct! 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! 2 like poorer parts of the UK, the EU invest in infrastructure projects in Eastern Europe too! However, just like the UK government giving aid to encourage jobs in regional enterprise zones in the UK, other governments do the same! 3 it's up to business to choose where to manufacturer - that's a business decision! A great example is Dyson - not built in UK as it's cheaper in Asian sweet shops! Have you ever seen inside the Dyson facilities in Asia? It puts most European factories to shame, with its advanced level of automation, productivity and cleanliness. The same applies to other EU countries that have advanced manufacturing plants in Asia! Plus Dyson still employs around 3,800 people in the UK. There were just 2 jobs being moved out of the UK from his announcement the other week. " So how many British manufacturing jobs have been lost? Also with companies supplying parts to the main company? Not zero hour contracts but good jobs? #backingbritain - NOT! | |||
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" 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! And who was the Home Secretary who decided not to spend money on setting a migrant registration system to enforce the rules? Step forward, Mrs May. It was Tony Blair who didn't put any transitional restrictions on free movement from Eastern European countries in the early 00's. The same Tony Blair who is now bitching and moaning about the vote to Leave and who wants to reverse the decision through another referendum. "Sovereign UK decision regardless of government. Our government made a bad decision based on the popular vote. Someone should have fought harder against it right? | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us, Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. So one of the main reasons of brexit is uncontrolled immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe. The EU encourage companies to invest in Eastern Europe thus improving their employment, thus reducing the need to move their families to other countries, thus reducing our immigration, thus their economies improving, thus giving our exporters another market. Seems like a good plan to me. Not 100% correct! 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! 2 like poorer parts of the UK, the EU invest in infrastructure projects in Eastern Europe too! However, just like the UK government giving aid to encourage jobs in regional enterprise zones in the UK, other governments do the same! 3 it's up to business to choose where to manufacturer - that's a business decision! A great example is Dyson - not built in UK as it's cheaper in Asian sweet shops! Have you ever seen inside the Dyson facilities in Asia? It puts most European factories to shame, with its advanced level of automation, productivity and cleanliness. The same applies to other EU countries that have advanced manufacturing plants in Asia! Plus Dyson still employs around 3,800 people in the UK. There were just 2 jobs being moved out of the UK from his announcement the other week. Do you think the two of them will be sitting in a room by themselves? Why are they building their consumer products in Singapore, Malaysia and the Philippines? Why will the new car and associated supplier base and technical jobs be in Singapore not here? Why are they expanding their research centre in Singapore as well? Try answering those questions rather than pointing at something else." Dyson has chosen those places because they are outside of the EU. 
Outside of the EU protection racket known as the customs union and the external tariff barrier. Dyson can see where the high growth area is now and where the high growth area will be in the future and it's Asia, not Europe. The EU is in decline the rest of the world outside is on the up.
As for Dyson technical jobs for the new electric car some of that is here in the UK with Dyson's new multi million test track for research and development purposes and the creation of research and development jobs right here in the UK. Dyson has also invested heavily in the UK with his engineering college, producing the entrepreneurs and engineers of tomorrow here in the UK. | |||
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"After the referendum in 2016, Nissan told the UK plant it would close Sunderland altogether if the UK left with no agreement. The UK Government gave Nissan some sort of sweetener to stay. The details were never published, but reasonable to assume it included an assurance there would be no hard exit. I doubt if the Government's conduct since has inspired any great confidence in the Nissan bosses. A car made in Sunderland uses 5000 components,, apparently. 85 per cent are imported. Its stock is 12 hours. Colin Lawther, the company’s senior vice-president of manufacturing supply chain, told MPs in February 2017 that Nissan had made a "strong request" to the UK Government to stay in the customs union. Nissan made a commitment to source over 85% of its car parts from within the UK after the vote to Leave. Mondelez made a "commitment" to not close any Cadbury's factories when it bought them. Business is business." Like Ford made a "commitment" to keep its Ford Transit van production in the UK in 2010, then moved production over to Turkey a year or 2 later after it got an EU grant/loan when Turkey isn't even a full member of the EU. Yep the EU sure is great for business isn't it. Like you say business is business. | |||
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" 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! And who was the Home Secretary who decided not to spend money on setting a migrant registration system to enforce the rules? Step forward, Mrs May. It was Tony Blair who didn't put any transitional restrictions on free movement from Eastern European countries in the early 00's. The same Tony Blair who is now bitching and moaning about the vote to Leave and who wants to reverse the decision through another referendum.
Sovereign UK decision regardless of government. Our government made a bad decision based on the popular vote. Someone should have fought harder against it right?"Given your history of posting on here I expect you were one of the main cheer leaders of Blair decision. I was against it and supported ukip at the time. What's your excuse? | |||
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" Like Ford made a "commitment" to keep its Ford Transit van production in the UK in 2010, then moved production over to Turkey a year or 2 later after it got an EU grant/loan when Turkey isn't even a full member of the EU. Yep the EU sure is great for business isn't it. Like you say business is business. "More fake news. The European Investment Bank, not the EU, gave Ford a loan, not a grant, towards the cost of its Southampton plant. The European Investment Bank, not the EU, gave Ford a loan, not a grant, towards the cost of its Turkish plant. Ford subsequently chose to shut down its Southampton plant. | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us, Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. So one of the main reasons of brexit is uncontrolled immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe. The EU encourage companies to invest in Eastern Europe thus improving their employment, thus reducing the need to move their families to other countries, thus reducing our immigration, thus their economies improving, thus giving our exporters another market. Seems like a good plan to me. Not 100% correct! 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! 2 like poorer parts of the UK, the EU invest in infrastructure projects in Eastern Europe too! However, just like the UK government giving aid to encourage jobs in regional enterprise zones in the UK, other governments do the same! 3 it's up to business to choose where to manufacturer - that's a business decision! A great example is Dyson - not built in UK as it's cheaper in Asian sweet shops! Have you ever seen inside the Dyson facilities in Asia? It puts most European factories to shame, with its advanced level of automation, productivity and cleanliness. The same applies to other EU countries that have advanced manufacturing plants in Asia! Plus Dyson still employs around 3,800 people in the UK. There were just 2 jobs being moved out of the UK from his announcement the other week. Do you think the two of them will be sitting in a room by themselves? Why are they building their consumer products in Singapore, Malaysia and the Philippines? Why will the new car and associated supplier base and technical jobs be in Singapore not here? Why are they expanding their research centre in Singapore as well? Try answering those questions rather than pointing at something else. Dyson has chosen those places because they are outside of the EU.
Outside of the EU protection racket known as the customs union and the external tariff barrier. Dyson can see where the high growth area is now and where the high growth area will be in the future and it's Asia, not Europe. The EU is in decline the rest of the world outside is on the up.
As for Dyson technical jobs for the new electric car some of that is here in the UK with Dyson's new multi million test track for research and development purposes and the creation of research and development jobs right here in the UK. Dyson has also invested heavily in the UK with his engineering college, producing the entrepreneurs and engineers of tomorrow here in the UK. "So, if the place to build and grow is Asia, who will invest in the UK. We are aware that the engineering development is happening here. Several hundred high end jobs filled mainly by foreigners. As they are now. Tens of thousands of jobs and the foundation of an entire new industry in Singapore. The country built new land in the sea for this. Singapore has a free trade deal with the EU so can sell without a tariff barrier. You don't seem to think that's important for us. Why is Germany able to sell successfully to China and Asia from within the EU but not us? | |||
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" Like Ford made a "commitment" to keep its Ford Transit van production in the UK in 2010, then moved production over to Turkey a year or 2 later after it got an EU grant/loan when Turkey isn't even a full member of the EU. Yep the EU sure is great for business isn't it. Like you say business is business.
More fake news.
The European Investment Bank, not the EU, gave Ford a loan, not a grant, towards the cost of its Southampton plant.
The European Investment Bank, not the EU, gave Ford a loan, not a grant, towards the cost of its Turkish plant.
Ford subsequently chose to shut down its Southampton plant.
"Not fake news. The European Investment bank is part of the EU institutions. It is as much a part of the EU as the European Court of justice (ECJ) and the European Parliament in Brussels. It was an EU grant/loan call it what you like it was European taxpayers money that went to Ford through the EU to help set up and impove production in Turkey, that ultimately ended up costing UK job losses and the closure of the Transit factory in Southampton. | |||
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" 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! And who was the Home Secretary who decided not to spend money on setting a migrant registration system to enforce the rules? Step forward, Mrs May. It was Tony Blair who didn't put any transitional restrictions on free movement from Eastern European countries in the early 00's. The same Tony Blair who is now bitching and moaning about the vote to Leave and who wants to reverse the decision through another referendum.
Sovereign UK decision regardless of government. Our government made a bad decision based on the popular vote. Someone should have fought harder against it right?
Given your history of posting on here I expect you were one of the main cheer leaders of Blair decision.
I was against it and supported ukip at the time. What's your excuse? "Nope. I have clearly said that uncontrolled immigration in a short period in concentrated areas cause instability. You just choose not to listen and make fictitious personal attacks which you repeat again and again because that is the easiest way to deflect attention from hard questions. Demonise those opposing you so that you can ignore them as they are "traitors" who hate their country. Your way is the only way. In all these years you have never come up with one benefit of EU membership or one problem with leaving the EU. Fantasy. | |||
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" Like Ford made a "commitment" to keep its Ford Transit van production in the UK in 2010, then moved production over to Turkey a year or 2 later after it got an EU grant/loan when Turkey isn't even a full member of the EU. Yep the EU sure is great for business isn't it. Like you say business is business.
More fake news.
The European Investment Bank, not the EU, gave Ford a loan, not a grant, towards the cost of its Southampton plant.
The European Investment Bank, not the EU, gave Ford a loan, not a grant, towards the cost of its Turkish plant.
Ford subsequently chose to shut down its Southampton plant.
Not fake news.
The European Investment bank is part of the EU institutions. It is as much a part of the EU as the European Court of justice (ECJ) and the European Parliament in Brussels.
It was an EU grant/loan call it what you like it was European taxpayers money that went to Ford through the EU to help set up and impove production in Turkey, that ultimately ended up costing UK job losses and the closure of the Transit factory in Southampton. "An another thread, you said one of the reasons you wanted to leave the EU was because it was protectionist. On this thread, you complain the EU is not protectionist. The absurdity of Brexit knows no bounds. | |||
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" Like Ford made a "commitment" to keep its Ford Transit van production in the UK in 2010, then moved production over to Turkey a year or 2 later after it got an EU grant/loan when Turkey isn't even a full member of the EU. Yep the EU sure is great for business isn't it. Like you say business is business.
More fake news.
The European Investment Bank, not the EU, gave Ford a loan, not a grant, towards the cost of its Southampton plant.
The European Investment Bank, not the EU, gave Ford a loan, not a grant, towards the cost of its Turkish plant.
Ford subsequently chose to shut down its Southampton plant.
Not fake news.
The European Investment bank is part of the EU institutions. It is as much a part of the EU as the European Court of justice (ECJ) and the European Parliament in Brussels.
It was an EU grant/loan call it what you like it was European taxpayers money that went to Ford through the EU to help set up and impove production in Turkey, that ultimately ended up costing UK job losses and the closure of the Transit factory in Southampton. "You have been told this, like other things, so many times yet you repeat the lie. Did the same bank give Ford a £450million loan? Explain why a £150million "made" Ford move production to Turkey? Give it a go. | |||
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" Like Ford made a "commitment" to keep its Ford Transit van production in the UK in 2010, then moved production over to Turkey a year or 2 later after it got an EU grant/loan when Turkey isn't even a full member of the EU. Yep the EU sure is great for business isn't it. Like you say business is business.
More fake news.
The European Investment Bank, not the EU, gave Ford a loan, not a grant, towards the cost of its Southampton plant.
The European Investment Bank, not the EU, gave Ford a loan, not a grant, towards the cost of its Turkish plant.
Ford subsequently chose to shut down its Southampton plant.
Not fake news.
The European Investment bank is part of the EU institutions. It is as much a part of the EU as the European Court of justice (ECJ) and the European Parliament in Brussels.
It was an EU grant/loan call it what you like it was European taxpayers money that went to Ford through the EU to help set up and impove production in Turkey, that ultimately ended up costing UK job losses and the closure of the Transit factory in Southampton.
An another thread, you said one of the reasons you wanted to leave the EU was because it was protectionist.
On this thread, you complain the EU is not protectionist.
The absurdity of Brexit knows no bounds."Let’s not forget that protecting from “cheap exports” from entering your local market is exactly what restricting FoM is to the labour market. | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us, Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. So one of the main reasons of brexit is uncontrolled immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe. The EU encourage companies to invest in Eastern Europe thus improving their employment, thus reducing the need to move their families to other countries, thus reducing our immigration, thus their economies improving, thus giving our exporters another market. Seems like a good plan to me. Not 100% correct! 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! 2 like poorer parts of the UK, the EU invest in infrastructure projects in Eastern Europe too! However, just like the UK government giving aid to encourage jobs in regional enterprise zones in the UK, other governments do the same! 3 it's up to business to choose where to manufacturer - that's a business decision! A great example is Dyson - not built in UK as it's cheaper in Asian sweet shops! Have you ever seen inside the Dyson facilities in Asia? It puts most European factories to shame, with its advanced level of automation, productivity and cleanliness. The same applies to other EU countries that have advanced manufacturing plants in Asia! Plus Dyson still employs around 3,800 people in the UK. There were just 2 jobs being moved out of the UK from his announcement the other week. Do you think the two of them will be sitting in a room by themselves? Why are they building their consumer products in Singapore, Malaysia and the Philippines? Why will the new car and associated supplier base and technical jobs be in Singapore not here? Why are they expanding their research centre in Singapore as well? Try answering those questions rather than pointing at something else. Dyson has chosen those places because they are outside of the EU.
Outside of the EU protection racket known as the customs union and the external tariff barrier. Dyson can see where the high growth area is now and where the high growth area will be in the future and it's Asia, not Europe. The EU is in decline the rest of the world outside is on the up.
As for Dyson technical jobs for the new electric car some of that is here in the UK with Dyson's new multi million test track for research and development purposes and the creation of research and development jobs right here in the UK. Dyson has also invested heavily in the UK with his engineering college, producing the entrepreneurs and engineers of tomorrow here in the UK.
So, if the place to build and grow is Asia, who will invest in the UK.
We are aware that the engineering development is happening here. Several hundred high end jobs filled mainly by foreigners. As they are now.
Tens of thousands of jobs and the foundation of an entire new industry in Singapore.
The country built new land in the sea for this.
Singapore has a free trade deal with the EU so can sell without a tariff barrier.
You don't seem to think that's important for us.
Why is Germany able to sell successfully to China and Asia from within the EU but not us?"And yet when economists like Minford and the economists for free trade group say the UK could be like a European version of Singapore after Brexit remainers scoff at the idea. Yet here you are apparently singing the praises of Singapore and describing it's merits. Yet another remain contradiction to add to an ever growing list it seems. | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us, Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. So one of the main reasons of brexit is uncontrolled immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe. The EU encourage companies to invest in Eastern Europe thus improving their employment, thus reducing the need to move their families to other countries, thus reducing our immigration, thus their economies improving, thus giving our exporters another market. Seems like a good plan to me. Not 100% correct! 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! 2 like poorer parts of the UK, the EU invest in infrastructure projects in Eastern Europe too! However, just like the UK government giving aid to encourage jobs in regional enterprise zones in the UK, other governments do the same! 3 it's up to business to choose where to manufacturer - that's a business decision! A great example is Dyson - not built in UK as it's cheaper in Asian sweet shops! Have you ever seen inside the Dyson facilities in Asia? It puts most European factories to shame, with its advanced level of automation, productivity and cleanliness. The same applies to other EU countries that have advanced manufacturing plants in Asia! Plus Dyson still employs around 3,800 people in the UK. There were just 2 jobs being moved out of the UK from his announcement the other week. Do you think the two of them will be sitting in a room by themselves? Why are they building their consumer products in Singapore, Malaysia and the Philippines? Why will the new car and associated supplier base and technical jobs be in Singapore not here? Why are they expanding their research centre in Singapore as well? Try answering those questions rather than pointing at something else. Dyson has chosen those places because they are outside of the EU.
Outside of the EU protection racket known as the customs union and the external tariff barrier. Dyson can see where the high growth area is now and where the high growth area will be in the future and it's Asia, not Europe. The EU is in decline the rest of the world outside is on the up.
As for Dyson technical jobs for the new electric car some of that is here in the UK with Dyson's new multi million test track for research and development purposes and the creation of research and development jobs right here in the UK. Dyson has also invested heavily in the UK with his engineering college, producing the entrepreneurs and engineers of tomorrow here in the UK.
So, if the place to build and grow is Asia, who will invest in the UK.
We are aware that the engineering development is happening here. Several hundred high end jobs filled mainly by foreigners. As they are now.
Tens of thousands of jobs and the foundation of an entire new industry in Singapore.
The country built new land in the sea for this.
Singapore has a free trade deal with the EU so can sell without a tariff barrier.
You don't seem to think that's important for us.
Why is Germany able to sell successfully to China and Asia from within the EU but not us?
And yet when economists like Minford and the economists for free trade group say the UK could be like a European version of Singapore after Brexit remainers scoff at the idea. Yet here you are apparently singing the praises of Singapore and describing it's merits. Yet another remain contradiction to add to an ever growing list it seems. "Singapore is a low tax,low paternal environment with little in the way of historical legacy. Try running the NHS and a (fairly) generous state pension in low taxes. It’s a good system if you can start from scratch. I can’t see how we can jump tracks so easily. | |||
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" And yet when economists like Minford and the economists for free trade group say the UK could be like a European version of Singapore after Brexit remainers scoff at the idea. Yet here you are apparently singing the praises of Singapore and describing it's merits. Yet another remain contradiction to add to an ever growing list it seems. "so again.. lets ask you the question... since you quoted minford again.... is uk farming and manufacturing a price worth paying for your brexit utopia? | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us, Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. So one of the main reasons of brexit is uncontrolled immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe. The EU encourage companies to invest in Eastern Europe thus improving their employment, thus reducing the need to move their families to other countries, thus reducing our immigration, thus their economies improving, thus giving our exporters another market. Seems like a good plan to me. Not 100% correct! 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! 2 like poorer parts of the UK, the EU invest in infrastructure projects in Eastern Europe too! However, just like the UK government giving aid to encourage jobs in regional enterprise zones in the UK, other governments do the same! 3 it's up to business to choose where to manufacturer - that's a business decision! A great example is Dyson - not built in UK as it's cheaper in Asian sweet shops! Have you ever seen inside the Dyson facilities in Asia? It puts most European factories to shame, with its advanced level of automation, productivity and cleanliness. The same applies to other EU countries that have advanced manufacturing plants in Asia! Plus Dyson still employs around 3,800 people in the UK. There were just 2 jobs being moved out of the UK from his announcement the other week. Do you think the two of them will be sitting in a room by themselves? Why are they building their consumer products in Singapore, Malaysia and the Philippines? Why will the new car and associated supplier base and technical jobs be in Singapore not here? Why are they expanding their research centre in Singapore as well? Try answering those questions rather than pointing at something else. Dyson has chosen those places because they are outside of the EU.
Outside of the EU protection racket known as the customs union and the external tariff barrier. Dyson can see where the high growth area is now and where the high growth area will be in the future and it's Asia, not Europe. The EU is in decline the rest of the world outside is on the up.
As for Dyson technical jobs for the new electric car some of that is here in the UK with Dyson's new multi million test track for research and development purposes and the creation of research and development jobs right here in the UK. Dyson has also invested heavily in the UK with his engineering college, producing the entrepreneurs and engineers of tomorrow here in the UK.
So, if the place to build and grow is Asia, who will invest in the UK.
We are aware that the engineering development is happening here. Several hundred high end jobs filled mainly by foreigners. As they are now.
Tens of thousands of jobs and the foundation of an entire new industry in Singapore.
The country built new land in the sea for this.
Singapore has a free trade deal with the EU so can sell without a tariff barrier.
You don't seem to think that's important for us.
Why is Germany able to sell successfully to China and Asia from within the EU but not us?
And yet when economists like Minford and the economists for free trade group say the UK could be like a European version of Singapore after Brexit remainers scoff at the idea. Yet here you are apparently singing the praises of Singapore and describing it's merits. Yet another remain contradiction to add to an ever growing list it seems.
Singapore is a low tax,low paternal environment with little in the way of historical legacy. Try running the NHS and a (fairly) generous state pension in low taxes. It’s a good system if you can start from scratch. I can’t see how we can jump tracks so easily. "You missed an EU trade deal? | |||
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" Like Ford made a "commitment" to keep its Ford Transit van production in the UK in 2010, then moved production over to Turkey a year or 2 later after it got an EU grant/loan when Turkey isn't even a full member of the EU. Yep the EU sure is great for business isn't it. Like you say business is business.
More fake news.
The European Investment Bank, not the EU, gave Ford a loan, not a grant, towards the cost of its Southampton plant.
The European Investment Bank, not the EU, gave Ford a loan, not a grant, towards the cost of its Turkish plant.
Ford subsequently chose to shut down its Southampton plant.
Not fake news.
The European Investment bank is part of the EU institutions. It is as much a part of the EU as the European Court of justice (ECJ) and the European Parliament in Brussels.
It was an EU grant/loan call it what you like it was European taxpayers money that went to Ford through the EU to help set up and impove production in Turkey, that ultimately ended up costing UK job losses and the closure of the Transit factory in Southampton. "Do you know the difference between a loan and a grant? | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us, Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. So one of the main reasons of brexit is uncontrolled immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe. The EU encourage companies to invest in Eastern Europe thus improving their employment, thus reducing the need to move their families to other countries, thus reducing our immigration, thus their economies improving, thus giving our exporters another market. Seems like a good plan to me. Not 100% correct! 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! 2 like poorer parts of the UK, the EU invest in infrastructure projects in Eastern Europe too! However, just like the UK government giving aid to encourage jobs in regional enterprise zones in the UK, other governments do the same! 3 it's up to business to choose where to manufacturer - that's a business decision! A great example is Dyson - not built in UK as it's cheaper in Asian sweet shops! Have you ever seen inside the Dyson facilities in Asia? It puts most European factories to shame, with its advanced level of automation, productivity and cleanliness. The same applies to other EU countries that have advanced manufacturing plants in Asia! Plus Dyson still employs around 3,800 people in the UK. There were just 2 jobs being moved out of the UK from his announcement the other week. Do you think the two of them will be sitting in a room by themselves? Why are they building their consumer products in Singapore, Malaysia and the Philippines? Why will the new car and associated supplier base and technical jobs be in Singapore not here? Why are they expanding their research centre in Singapore as well? Try answering those questions rather than pointing at something else. Dyson has chosen those places because they are outside of the EU.
Outside of the EU protection racket known as the customs union and the external tariff barrier. Dyson can see where the high growth area is now and where the high growth area will be in the future and it's Asia, not Europe. The EU is in decline the rest of the world outside is on the up.
As for Dyson technical jobs for the new electric car some of that is here in the UK with Dyson's new multi million test track for research and development purposes and the creation of research and development jobs right here in the UK. Dyson has also invested heavily in the UK with his engineering college, producing the entrepreneurs and engineers of tomorrow here in the UK.
So, if the place to build and grow is Asia, who will invest in the UK.
We are aware that the engineering development is happening here. Several hundred high end jobs filled mainly by foreigners. As they are now.
Tens of thousands of jobs and the foundation of an entire new industry in Singapore.
The country built new land in the sea for this.
Singapore has a free trade deal with the EU so can sell without a tariff barrier.
You don't seem to think that's important for us.
Why is Germany able to sell successfully to China and Asia from within the EU but not us?
And yet when economists like Minford and the economists for free trade group say the UK could be like a European version of Singapore after Brexit remainers scoff at the idea. Yet here you are apparently singing the praises of Singapore and describing it's merits. Yet another remain contradiction to add to an ever growing list it seems. "Singapore is not like the UK. Guess what. That's what Singapore says. Singapore is not actually a low wage economy. However, it's manufacturing workforce is made up largely of immigrants from Malaysia who travel in every day. The taxes that they and the companies pay go to Singapore, not Malaysia. Can we do that? Are we geographically located as a nexus of international shipping? We are located next to one huge international market with which we have a free trade deal. The EU. So is Singapore but they aren't going to tear up the one with China. Minford's only economic proposition is that the UK unilaterally drops all tariffs to imports without any other country doing the same in return. Is that true Centaur? | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us, Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. So one of the main reasons of brexit is uncontrolled immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe. The EU encourage companies to invest in Eastern Europe thus improving their employment, thus reducing the need to move their families to other countries, thus reducing our immigration, thus their economies improving, thus giving our exporters another market. Seems like a good plan to me. Not 100% correct! 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! 2 like poorer parts of the UK, the EU invest in infrastructure projects in Eastern Europe too! However, just like the UK government giving aid to encourage jobs in regional enterprise zones in the UK, other governments do the same! 3 it's up to business to choose where to manufacturer - that's a business decision! A great example is Dyson - not built in UK as it's cheaper in Asian sweet shops! Have you ever seen inside the Dyson facilities in Asia? It puts most European factories to shame, with its advanced level of automation, productivity and cleanliness. The same applies to other EU countries that have advanced manufacturing plants in Asia! Plus Dyson still employs around 3,800 people in the UK. There were just 2 jobs being moved out of the UK from his announcement the other week. Do you think the two of them will be sitting in a room by themselves? Why are they building their consumer products in Singapore, Malaysia and the Philippines? Why will the new car and associated supplier base and technical jobs be in Singapore not here? Why are they expanding their research centre in Singapore as well? Try answering those questions rather than pointing at something else. Dyson has chosen those places because they are outside of the EU.
Outside of the EU protection racket known as the customs union and the external tariff barrier. Dyson can see where the high growth area is now and where the high growth area will be in the future and it's Asia, not Europe. The EU is in decline the rest of the world outside is on the up.
As for Dyson technical jobs for the new electric car some of that is here in the UK with Dyson's new multi million test track for research and development purposes and the creation of research and development jobs right here in the UK. Dyson has also invested heavily in the UK with his engineering college, producing the entrepreneurs and engineers of tomorrow here in the UK.
So, if the place to build and grow is Asia, who will invest in the UK.
We are aware that the engineering development is happening here. Several hundred high end jobs filled mainly by foreigners. As they are now.
Tens of thousands of jobs and the foundation of an entire new industry in Singapore.
The country built new land in the sea for this.
Singapore has a free trade deal with the EU so can sell without a tariff barrier.
You don't seem to think that's important for us.
Why is Germany able to sell successfully to China and Asia from within the EU but not us?
And yet when economists like Minford and the economists for free trade group say the UK could be like a European version of Singapore after Brexit remainers scoff at the idea. Yet here you are apparently singing the praises of Singapore and describing it's merits. Yet another remain contradiction to add to an ever growing list it seems.
Singapore is a low tax,low paternal environment with little in the way of historical legacy. Try running the NHS and a (fairly) generous state pension in low taxes. It’s a good system if you can start from scratch. I can’t see how we can jump tracks so easily.
You missed an EU trade deal?"That's what Brexit Britain is trying to agree with the EU now. Where have you been for the last 2 and half years? | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us, Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. So one of the main reasons of brexit is uncontrolled immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe. The EU encourage companies to invest in Eastern Europe thus improving their employment, thus reducing the need to move their families to other countries, thus reducing our immigration, thus their economies improving, thus giving our exporters another market. Seems like a good plan to me. Not 100% correct! 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! 2 like poorer parts of the UK, the EU invest in infrastructure projects in Eastern Europe too! However, just like the UK government giving aid to encourage jobs in regional enterprise zones in the UK, other governments do the same! 3 it's up to business to choose where to manufacturer - that's a business decision! A great example is Dyson - not built in UK as it's cheaper in Asian sweet shops! Have you ever seen inside the Dyson facilities in Asia? It puts most European factories to shame, with its advanced level of automation, productivity and cleanliness. The same applies to other EU countries that have advanced manufacturing plants in Asia! Plus Dyson still employs around 3,800 people in the UK. There were just 2 jobs being moved out of the UK from his announcement the other week. Do you think the two of them will be sitting in a room by themselves? Why are they building their consumer products in Singapore, Malaysia and the Philippines? Why will the new car and associated supplier base and technical jobs be in Singapore not here? Why are they expanding their research centre in Singapore as well? Try answering those questions rather than pointing at something else. Dyson has chosen those places because they are outside of the EU.
Outside of the EU protection racket known as the customs union and the external tariff barrier. Dyson can see where the high growth area is now and where the high growth area will be in the future and it's Asia, not Europe. The EU is in decline the rest of the world outside is on the up.
As for Dyson technical jobs for the new electric car some of that is here in the UK with Dyson's new multi million test track for research and development purposes and the creation of research and development jobs right here in the UK. Dyson has also invested heavily in the UK with his engineering college, producing the entrepreneurs and engineers of tomorrow here in the UK.
So, if the place to build and grow is Asia, who will invest in the UK.
We are aware that the engineering development is happening here. Several hundred high end jobs filled mainly by foreigners. As they are now.
Tens of thousands of jobs and the foundation of an entire new industry in Singapore.
The country built new land in the sea for this.
Singapore has a free trade deal with the EU so can sell without a tariff barrier.
You don't seem to think that's important for us.
Why is Germany able to sell successfully to China and Asia from within the EU but not us?
And yet when economists like Minford and the economists for free trade group say the UK could be like a European version of Singapore after Brexit remainers scoff at the idea. Yet here you are apparently singing the praises of Singapore and describing it's merits. Yet another remain contradiction to add to an ever growing list it seems.
Singapore is a low tax,low paternal environment with little in the way of historical legacy. Try running the NHS and a (fairly) generous state pension in low taxes. It’s a good system if you can start from scratch. I can’t see how we can jump tracks so easily.
You missed an EU trade deal?
That's what Brexit Britain is trying to agree with the EU now. Where have you been for the last 2 and half years? "So what's the difference between a loan and a grant- or even a lien? Merci d'avance | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us, Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. So one of the main reasons of brexit is uncontrolled immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe. The EU encourage companies to invest in Eastern Europe thus improving their employment, thus reducing the need to move their families to other countries, thus reducing our immigration, thus their economies improving, thus giving our exporters another market. Seems like a good plan to me. Not 100% correct! 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! 2 like poorer parts of the UK, the EU invest in infrastructure projects in Eastern Europe too! However, just like the UK government giving aid to encourage jobs in regional enterprise zones in the UK, other governments do the same! 3 it's up to business to choose where to manufacturer - that's a business decision! A great example is Dyson - not built in UK as it's cheaper in Asian sweet shops! Have you ever seen inside the Dyson facilities in Asia? It puts most European factories to shame, with its advanced level of automation, productivity and cleanliness. The same applies to other EU countries that have advanced manufacturing plants in Asia! Plus Dyson still employs around 3,800 people in the UK. There were just 2 jobs being moved out of the UK from his announcement the other week. Do you think the two of them will be sitting in a room by themselves? Why are they building their consumer products in Singapore, Malaysia and the Philippines? Why will the new car and associated supplier base and technical jobs be in Singapore not here? Why are they expanding their research centre in Singapore as well? Try answering those questions rather than pointing at something else. Dyson has chosen those places because they are outside of the EU.
Outside of the EU protection racket known as the customs union and the external tariff barrier. Dyson can see where the high growth area is now and where the high growth area will be in the future and it's Asia, not Europe. The EU is in decline the rest of the world outside is on the up.
As for Dyson technical jobs for the new electric car some of that is here in the UK with Dyson's new multi million test track for research and development purposes and the creation of research and development jobs right here in the UK. Dyson has also invested heavily in the UK with his engineering college, producing the entrepreneurs and engineers of tomorrow here in the UK.
So, if the place to build and grow is Asia, who will invest in the UK.
We are aware that the engineering development is happening here. Several hundred high end jobs filled mainly by foreigners. As they are now.
Tens of thousands of jobs and the foundation of an entire new industry in Singapore.
The country built new land in the sea for this.
Singapore has a free trade deal with the EU so can sell without a tariff barrier.
You don't seem to think that's important for us.
Why is Germany able to sell successfully to China and Asia from within the EU but not us?
And yet when economists like Minford and the economists for free trade group say the UK could be like a European version of Singapore after Brexit remainers scoff at the idea. Yet here you are apparently singing the praises of Singapore and describing it's merits. Yet another remain contradiction to add to an ever growing list it seems.
Singapore is a low tax,low paternal environment with little in the way of historical legacy. Try running the NHS and a (fairly) generous state pension in low taxes. It’s a good system if you can start from scratch. I can’t see how we can jump tracks so easily.
You missed an EU trade deal?
That's what Brexit Britain is trying to agree with the EU now. Where have you been for the last 2 and half years? "You think WTO will be fine though. | |||
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" And yet when economists like Minford and the economists for free trade group say the UK could be like a European version of Singapore after Brexit remainers scoff at the idea. Yet here you are apparently singing the praises of Singapore and describing it's merits. Yet another remain contradiction to add to an ever growing list it seems.
so again.. lets ask you the question... since you quoted minford again....
is uk farming and manufacturing a price worth paying for your brexit utopia?
"Those things don't have to be sacrificed. As you well know the UK government has already pledged to continue paying farmer's subsidies for at least 2 years after Brexit. Why wouldn't they as it was always UK taxpayers money being paid to UK farmers through the EU anyway as the UK is a net contributer to the EU budget. All we'll be doing after Brexit is streamlining the process, making it more efficient and cutting out the EU middle man. As for manufacturing didn't EasyUK's post earlier describe how Singapore is attracting a high level of manufacturing investment. | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us, Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. So one of the main reasons of brexit is uncontrolled immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe. The EU encourage companies to invest in Eastern Europe thus improving their employment, thus reducing the need to move their families to other countries, thus reducing our immigration, thus their economies improving, thus giving our exporters another market. Seems like a good plan to me. Not 100% correct! 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! 2 like poorer parts of the UK, the EU invest in infrastructure projects in Eastern Europe too! However, just like the UK government giving aid to encourage jobs in regional enterprise zones in the UK, other governments do the same! 3 it's up to business to choose where to manufacturer - that's a business decision! A great example is Dyson - not built in UK as it's cheaper in Asian sweet shops! Have you ever seen inside the Dyson facilities in Asia? It puts most European factories to shame, with its advanced level of automation, productivity and cleanliness. The same applies to other EU countries that have advanced manufacturing plants in Asia! Plus Dyson still employs around 3,800 people in the UK. There were just 2 jobs being moved out of the UK from his announcement the other week. Do you think the two of them will be sitting in a room by themselves? Why are they building their consumer products in Singapore, Malaysia and the Philippines? Why will the new car and associated supplier base and technical jobs be in Singapore not here? Why are they expanding their research centre in Singapore as well? Try answering those questions rather than pointing at something else. Dyson has chosen those places because they are outside of the EU.
Outside of the EU protection racket known as the customs union and the external tariff barrier. Dyson can see where the high growth area is now and where the high growth area will be in the future and it's Asia, not Europe. The EU is in decline the rest of the world outside is on the up.
As for Dyson technical jobs for the new electric car some of that is here in the UK with Dyson's new multi million test track for research and development purposes and the creation of research and development jobs right here in the UK. Dyson has also invested heavily in the UK with his engineering college, producing the entrepreneurs and engineers of tomorrow here in the UK.
So, if the place to build and grow is Asia, who will invest in the UK.
We are aware that the engineering development is happening here. Several hundred high end jobs filled mainly by foreigners. As they are now.
Tens of thousands of jobs and the foundation of an entire new industry in Singapore.
The country built new land in the sea for this.
Singapore has a free trade deal with the EU so can sell without a tariff barrier.
You don't seem to think that's important for us.
Why is Germany able to sell successfully to China and Asia from within the EU but not us?
And yet when economists like Minford and the economists for free trade group say the UK could be like a European version of Singapore after Brexit remainers scoff at the idea. Yet here you are apparently singing the praises of Singapore and describing it's merits. Yet another remain contradiction to add to an ever growing list it seems.
Singapore is not like the UK.
Guess what. That's what Singapore says.
Singapore is not actually a low wage economy. However, it's manufacturing workforce is made up largely of immigrants from Malaysia who travel in every day. The taxes that they and the companies pay go to Singapore, not Malaysia.
Can we do that?
Are we geographically located as a nexus of international shipping?
We are located next to one huge international market with which we have a free trade deal. The EU.
So is Singapore but they aren't going to tear up the one with China.
Minford's only economic proposition is that the UK unilaterally drops all tariffs to imports without any other country doing the same in return.
Is that true Centaur?"The UK is ideally geographically placed to set itself up as a global free trading nation. The UK is an island nation so we're surrounded by the sea, we're not land locked in any way so we're ideal for shipping to the whole world. Yes we're geographically close to Europe and we're currently trying to finalise a free trade deal with them. We're also ideally placed for shipping across the Atlantic to America who the EU doesn't have a trade deal with. We want a free trade deal with the USA after Brexit. There is a huge market there ripe for picking. | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us, Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. So one of the main reasons of brexit is uncontrolled immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe. The EU encourage companies to invest in Eastern Europe thus improving their employment, thus reducing the need to move their families to other countries, thus reducing our immigration, thus their economies improving, thus giving our exporters another market. Seems like a good plan to me. Not 100% correct! 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! 2 like poorer parts of the UK, the EU invest in infrastructure projects in Eastern Europe too! However, just like the UK government giving aid to encourage jobs in regional enterprise zones in the UK, other governments do the same! 3 it's up to business to choose where to manufacturer - that's a business decision! A great example is Dyson - not built in UK as it's cheaper in Asian sweet shops! Have you ever seen inside the Dyson facilities in Asia? It puts most European factories to shame, with its advanced level of automation, productivity and cleanliness. The same applies to other EU countries that have advanced manufacturing plants in Asia! Plus Dyson still employs around 3,800 people in the UK. There were just 2 jobs being moved out of the UK from his announcement the other week. Do you think the two of them will be sitting in a room by themselves? Why are they building their consumer products in Singapore, Malaysia and the Philippines? Why will the new car and associated supplier base and technical jobs be in Singapore not here? Why are they expanding their research centre in Singapore as well? Try answering those questions rather than pointing at something else. Dyson has chosen those places because they are outside of the EU.
Outside of the EU protection racket known as the customs union and the external tariff barrier. Dyson can see where the high growth area is now and where the high growth area will be in the future and it's Asia, not Europe. The EU is in decline the rest of the world outside is on the up.
As for Dyson technical jobs for the new electric car some of that is here in the UK with Dyson's new multi million test track for research and development purposes and the creation of research and development jobs right here in the UK. Dyson has also invested heavily in the UK with his engineering college, producing the entrepreneurs and engineers of tomorrow here in the UK.
So, if the place to build and grow is Asia, who will invest in the UK.
We are aware that the engineering development is happening here. Several hundred high end jobs filled mainly by foreigners. As they are now.
Tens of thousands of jobs and the foundation of an entire new industry in Singapore.
The country built new land in the sea for this.
Singapore has a free trade deal with the EU so can sell without a tariff barrier.
You don't seem to think that's important for us.
Why is Germany able to sell successfully to China and Asia from within the EU but not us?
And yet when economists like Minford and the economists for free trade group say the UK could be like a European version of Singapore after Brexit remainers scoff at the idea. Yet here you are apparently singing the praises of Singapore and describing it's merits. Yet another remain contradiction to add to an ever growing list it seems.
Singapore is a low tax,low paternal environment with little in the way of historical legacy. Try running the NHS and a (fairly) generous state pension in low taxes. It’s a good system if you can start from scratch. I can’t see how we can jump tracks so easily.
You missed an EU trade deal?
That's what Brexit Britain is trying to agree with the EU now. Where have you been for the last 2 and half years?
You think WTO will be fine though."Yes to begin with. The only way we'll get a sensible free trade deal with the EU is if we leave without a deal now, and do a Canada style free trade deal with them after 29th March as a 3rd country. | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us, Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. So one of the main reasons of brexit is uncontrolled immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe. The EU encourage companies to invest in Eastern Europe thus improving their employment, thus reducing the need to move their families to other countries, thus reducing our immigration, thus their economies improving, thus giving our exporters another market. Seems like a good plan to me. Not 100% correct! 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! 2 like poorer parts of the UK, the EU invest in infrastructure projects in Eastern Europe too! However, just like the UK government giving aid to encourage jobs in regional enterprise zones in the UK, other governments do the same! 3 it's up to business to choose where to manufacturer - that's a business decision! A great example is Dyson - not built in UK as it's cheaper in Asian sweet shops! Have you ever seen inside the Dyson facilities in Asia? It puts most European factories to shame, with its advanced level of automation, productivity and cleanliness. The same applies to other EU countries that have advanced manufacturing plants in Asia! Plus Dyson still employs around 3,800 people in the UK. There were just 2 jobs being moved out of the UK from his announcement the other week. Do you think the two of them will be sitting in a room by themselves? Why are they building their consumer products in Singapore, Malaysia and the Philippines? Why will the new car and associated supplier base and technical jobs be in Singapore not here? Why are they expanding their research centre in Singapore as well? Try answering those questions rather than pointing at something else. Dyson has chosen those places because they are outside of the EU.
Outside of the EU protection racket known as the customs union and the external tariff barrier. Dyson can see where the high growth area is now and where the high growth area will be in the future and it's Asia, not Europe. The EU is in decline the rest of the world outside is on the up.
As for Dyson technical jobs for the new electric car some of that is here in the UK with Dyson's new multi million test track for research and development purposes and the creation of research and development jobs right here in the UK. Dyson has also invested heavily in the UK with his engineering college, producing the entrepreneurs and engineers of tomorrow here in the UK.
So, if the place to build and grow is Asia, who will invest in the UK.
We are aware that the engineering development is happening here. Several hundred high end jobs filled mainly by foreigners. As they are now.
Tens of thousands of jobs and the foundation of an entire new industry in Singapore.
The country built new land in the sea for this.
Singapore has a free trade deal with the EU so can sell without a tariff barrier.
You don't seem to think that's important for us.
Why is Germany able to sell successfully to China and Asia from within the EU but not us?
And yet when economists like Minford and the economists for free trade group say the UK could be like a European version of Singapore after Brexit remainers scoff at the idea. Yet here you are apparently singing the praises of Singapore and describing it's merits. Yet another remain contradiction to add to an ever growing list it seems.
Singapore is not like the UK.
Guess what. That's what Singapore says.
Singapore is not actually a low wage economy. However, it's manufacturing workforce is made up largely of immigrants from Malaysia who travel in every day. The taxes that they and the companies pay go to Singapore, not Malaysia.
Can we do that?
Are we geographically located as a nexus of international shipping?
We are located next to one huge international market with which we have a free trade deal. The EU.
So is Singapore but they aren't going to tear up the one with China.
Minford's only economic proposition is that the UK unilaterally drops all tariffs to imports without any other country doing the same in return.
Is that true Centaur?
The UK is ideally geographically placed to set itself up as a global free trading nation. The UK is an island nation so we're surrounded by the sea, we're not land locked in any way so we're ideal for shipping to the whole world. Yes we're geographically close to Europe and we're currently trying to finalise a free trade deal with them. We're also ideally placed for shipping across the Atlantic to America who the EU doesn't have a trade deal with. We want a free trade deal with the USA after Brexit. There is a huge market there ripe for picking. "I’ve seen this mooted before. Do we have the infrastructure to support this ? As i understand it Dover is a long way off being Antwerp or Rotterdam. And why come to Diver rather than the others? And what has stopped us from doing it already... how has the Eu stopped us ? | |||
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"So to summarise. Singapore benefits from being a low tax, low (state) overhead state, with access to cheap labour from neighbouring countries, close and easy access to a huge market next door, and FTA with large economies further away. And this is the model we should adopt? Other than the tax/state position, does it sound familiar ? " Does Singapore have free movement of People with the EU or any other country for that matter? Or does Singapore have complete control over its own immigration affairs? Is Singapore subject to the ECJ through its free trade deal with the EU or are it's own domestic courts subservient to any other foreign courts? Does Singapore pay any EU membership fees as part of its free trade deal with the EU? Does Singapore have fishing quotas imposed on it by the EU common fisheries policy or does it have to agree to the Common Agricultural policy as part of its free trade deal with the EU? Can Singapore strike it's own free trade deals around the rest of the world? | |||
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"Ok for the attention of Centaur who clearly doesn't know the answer to what's the difference between a loan or a grant as in a post which he refuses to answer he stated the EU gave a "loan/grant" They are entirely different a loan is repaid with interest! A grant is a gift! The EU loan to Ford was a business deal it wasn't a gift. Another Brexit cheerleader who has notably clue - keep reading the headlines!" The point is it was EU money that went to Ford in Turkey (outside of the EU) that ultimately ended up costing UK jobs and the closure of the Transit factory in Southampton. | |||
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"So to summarise. Singapore benefits from being a low tax, low (state) overhead state, with access to cheap labour from neighbouring countries, close and easy access to a huge market next door, and FTA with large economies further away. And this is the model we should adopt? Other than the tax/state position, does it sound familiar ? Does Singapore have free movement of People with the EU or any other country for that matter? Or does Singapore have complete control over its own immigration affairs? Is Singapore subject to the ECJ through its free trade deal with the EU or are it's own domestic courts subservient to any other foreign courts? Does Singapore pay any EU membership fees as part of its free trade deal with the EU? Does Singapore have fishing quotas imposed on it by the EU common fisheries policy or does it have to agree to the Common Agricultural policy as part of its free trade deal with the EU? Can Singapore strike it's own free trade deals around the rest of the world? " That’s not the points in discussion. I’m saying the success of Singapore is built on similar foundations to those we have already in the Uk. I’m also saying Brexit is taking us away from this. As such I’m not sure how I square brexit and becoming like Singapore. Which was your original point. | |||
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" Singapore is a low tax,low paternal environment with little in the way of historical legacy. Try running the NHS and a (fairly) generous state pension in low taxes. It’s a good system if you can start from scratch. I can’t see how we can jump tracks so easily. " It's also a city state that relies on high (40%) levels of migrant labour. It is not comparable with the UK. | |||
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"Ok for the attention of Centaur who clearly doesn't know the answer to what's the difference between a loan or a grant as in a post which he refuses to answer he stated the EU gave a "loan/grant" They are entirely different a loan is repaid with interest! A grant is a gift! The EU loan to Ford was a business deal it wasn't a gift. Another Brexit cheerleader who has notably clue - keep reading the headlines!" To be fair to Centaur, he does raise an interesting point. If the divorce is as acrimonious as he hopes, I imagine the European Investment Bank will be offering attractive rates to foreign-owned car manufacturers in the UK to relocate some or all of their production to the EU27. | |||
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"So to summarise. Singapore benefits from being a low tax, low (state) overhead state, with access to cheap labour from neighbouring countries, close and easy access to a huge market next door, and FTA with large economies further away. And this is the model we should adopt? Other than the tax/state position, does it sound familiar ? Does Singapore have free movement of People with the EU or any other country for that matter? Or does Singapore have complete control over its own immigration affairs? Is Singapore subject to the ECJ through its free trade deal with the EU or are it's own domestic courts subservient to any other foreign courts? Does Singapore pay any EU membership fees as part of its free trade deal with the EU? Does Singapore have fishing quotas imposed on it by the EU common fisheries policy or does it have to agree to the Common Agricultural policy as part of its free trade deal with the EU? Can Singapore strike it's own free trade deals around the rest of the world? " 1) actually singapore DOES have freedom of movement... most of its labour population comes in from Malaysia........
2) in trade deals disputes countries go to the WTO trade courts, its still a 3rd party authority!.... and since you claim the UK court bows to the European court... the European courts actually agree with the UK courts in decisions 97% of the time, i bet you have never agreed with anyone that often....
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"Ok for the attention of Centaur who clearly doesn't know the answer to what's the difference between a loan or a grant as in a post which he refuses to answer he stated the EU gave a "loan/grant" They are entirely different a loan is repaid with interest! A grant is a gift! The EU loan to Ford was a business deal it wasn't a gift. Another Brexit cheerleader who has notably clue - keep reading the headlines! The point is it was EU money that went to Ford in Turkey (outside of the EU) that ultimately ended up costing UK jobs and the closure of the Transit factory in Southampton. " Ford are just like Dyson they made a business decision. The EU investment bank granted a commercial loan to a multinational company "good risk". The fact Ford used the money to build a factory in Turkey is their decision. The fact that Turkey is cheaper to manufacture than UK was the reason Ford left Southampton. For the record what do you think happened to the carpet industry- moved manufacturing to Turkey! | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us, Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. So one of the main reasons of brexit is uncontrolled immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe. The EU encourage companies to invest in Eastern Europe thus improving their employment, thus reducing the need to move their families to other countries, thus reducing our immigration, thus their economies improving, thus giving our exporters another market. Seems like a good plan to me. Not 100% correct! 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! 2 like poorer parts of the UK, the EU invest in infrastructure projects in Eastern Europe too! However, just like the UK government giving aid to encourage jobs in regional enterprise zones in the UK, other governments do the same! 3 it's up to business to choose where to manufacturer - that's a business decision! A great example is Dyson - not built in UK as it's cheaper in Asian sweet shops! Have you ever seen inside the Dyson facilities in Asia? It puts most European factories to shame, with its advanced level of automation, productivity and cleanliness. The same applies to other EU countries that have advanced manufacturing plants in Asia! Plus Dyson still employs around 3,800 people in the UK. There were just 2 jobs being moved out of the UK from his announcement the other week. Do you think the two of them will be sitting in a room by themselves? Why are they building their consumer products in Singapore, Malaysia and the Philippines? Why will the new car and associated supplier base and technical jobs be in Singapore not here? Why are they expanding their research centre in Singapore as well? Try answering those questions rather than pointing at something else. Dyson has chosen those places because they are outside of the EU.
Outside of the EU protection racket known as the customs union and the external tariff barrier. Dyson can see where the high growth area is now and where the high growth area will be in the future and it's Asia, not Europe. The EU is in decline the rest of the world outside is on the up.
As for Dyson technical jobs for the new electric car some of that is here in the UK with Dyson's new multi million test track for research and development purposes and the creation of research and development jobs right here in the UK. Dyson has also invested heavily in the UK with his engineering college, producing the entrepreneurs and engineers of tomorrow here in the UK.
So, if the place to build and grow is Asia, who will invest in the UK.
We are aware that the engineering development is happening here. Several hundred high end jobs filled mainly by foreigners. As they are now.
Tens of thousands of jobs and the foundation of an entire new industry in Singapore.
The country built new land in the sea for this.
Singapore has a free trade deal with the EU so can sell without a tariff barrier.
You don't seem to think that's important for us.
Why is Germany able to sell successfully to China and Asia from within the EU but not us?
And yet when economists like Minford and the economists for free trade group say the UK could be like a European version of Singapore after Brexit remainers scoff at the idea. Yet here you are apparently singing the praises of Singapore and describing it's merits. Yet another remain contradiction to add to an ever growing list it seems.
Singapore is not like the UK.
Guess what. That's what Singapore says.
Singapore is not actually a low wage economy. However, it's manufacturing workforce is made up largely of immigrants from Malaysia who travel in every day. The taxes that they and the companies pay go to Singapore, not Malaysia.
Can we do that?
Are we geographically located as a nexus of international shipping?
We are located next to one huge international market with which we have a free trade deal. The EU.
So is Singapore but they aren't going to tear up the one with China.
Minford's only economic proposition is that the UK unilaterally drops all tariffs to imports without any other country doing the same in return.
Is that true Centaur?
The UK is ideally geographically placed to set itself up as a global free trading nation. The UK is an island nation so we're surrounded by the sea, we're not land locked in any way so we're ideal for shipping to the whole world. Yes we're geographically close to Europe and we're currently trying to finalise a free trade deal with them. We're also ideally placed for shipping across the Atlantic to America who the EU doesn't have a trade deal with. We want a free trade deal with the USA after Brexit. There is a huge market there ripe for picking. "Well done, you've identified that we aren't landlocked and that we're an island. So? The UK is not as well placed as Rotterdam or Antwerp which are inside the biggest regional market and are already physically better able to handle continental scale transportation. The raw materials and components for manufacturer and the bulk of goods do not come across the Atlantic. They come the other way. From either direction a couple of hundred miles to get to your biggest market is barely blink of an advantage. WTO terms for a couple of years will cost businesses enough to spend the money on relocating instead especially as the final outcome is still unknown. Regardless we stop being a European headquarters. A regional centre for a large number of companies. We become a national office where UK only rather than regional decisions are made. We go and ask for our allocation from the new, EU based headquarters. We are the market to be "picked" by the USA. What incredible arrogance to believe that we are not going to give up whatever the U.S. demands. The naivety to believe that Trump will give us a trade deal to help destroy the EU. Guess what, it is not in his gift. Division of powers requires ratification by the Legislature. Everyone of whom has an electorate and interest groups to answer to. All of whom want to slice up our industries for expiration by them, not the other way around. Minford's only economic proposition is that the UK unilaterally drops all tariffs to imports without any other country doing the same in return. Want to try again to respond to that statement Centaur? | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us, Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. So one of the main reasons of brexit is uncontrolled immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe. The EU encourage companies to invest in Eastern Europe thus improving their employment, thus reducing the need to move their families to other countries, thus reducing our immigration, thus their economies improving, thus giving our exporters another market. Seems like a good plan to me. Not 100% correct! 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! 2 like poorer parts of the UK, the EU invest in infrastructure projects in Eastern Europe too! However, just like the UK government giving aid to encourage jobs in regional enterprise zones in the UK, other governments do the same! 3 it's up to business to choose where to manufacturer - that's a business decision! A great example is Dyson - not built in UK as it's cheaper in Asian sweet shops! Have you ever seen inside the Dyson facilities in Asia? It puts most European factories to shame, with its advanced level of automation, productivity and cleanliness. The same applies to other EU countries that have advanced manufacturing plants in Asia! Plus Dyson still employs around 3,800 people in the UK. There were just 2 jobs being moved out of the UK from his announcement the other week. Do you think the two of them will be sitting in a room by themselves? Why are they building their consumer products in Singapore, Malaysia and the Philippines? Why will the new car and associated supplier base and technical jobs be in Singapore not here? Why are they expanding their research centre in Singapore as well? Try answering those questions rather than pointing at something else. Dyson has chosen those places because they are outside of the EU.
Outside of the EU protection racket known as the customs union and the external tariff barrier. Dyson can see where the high growth area is now and where the high growth area will be in the future and it's Asia, not Europe. The EU is in decline the rest of the world outside is on the up.
As for Dyson technical jobs for the new electric car some of that is here in the UK with Dyson's new multi million test track for research and development purposes and the creation of research and development jobs right here in the UK. Dyson has also invested heavily in the UK with his engineering college, producing the entrepreneurs and engineers of tomorrow here in the UK.
So, if the place to build and grow is Asia, who will invest in the UK.
We are aware that the engineering development is happening here. Several hundred high end jobs filled mainly by foreigners. As they are now.
Tens of thousands of jobs and the foundation of an entire new industry in Singapore.
The country built new land in the sea for this.
Singapore has a free trade deal with the EU so can sell without a tariff barrier.
You don't seem to think that's important for us.
Why is Germany able to sell successfully to China and Asia from within the EU but not us?
And yet when economists like Minford and the economists for free trade group say the UK could be like a European version of Singapore after Brexit remainers scoff at the idea. Yet here you are apparently singing the praises of Singapore and describing it's merits. Yet another remain contradiction to add to an ever growing list it seems.
Singapore is not like the UK.
Guess what. That's what Singapore says.
Singapore is not actually a low wage economy. However, it's manufacturing workforce is made up largely of immigrants from Malaysia who travel in every day. The taxes that they and the companies pay go to Singapore, not Malaysia.
Can we do that?
Are we geographically located as a nexus of international shipping?
We are located next to one huge international market with which we have a free trade deal. The EU.
So is Singapore but they aren't going to tear up the one with China.
Minford's only economic proposition is that the UK unilaterally drops all tariffs to imports without any other country doing the same in return.
Is that true Centaur?
The UK is ideally geographically placed to set itself up as a global free trading nation. The UK is an island nation so we're surrounded by the sea, we're not land locked in any way so we're ideal for shipping to the whole world. Yes we're geographically close to Europe and we're currently trying to finalise a free trade deal with them. We're also ideally placed for shipping across the Atlantic to America who the EU doesn't have a trade deal with. We want a free trade deal with the USA after Brexit. There is a huge market there ripe for picking.
Well done, you've identified that we aren't landlocked and that we're an island. So?
The UK is not as well placed as Rotterdam or Antwerp which are inside the biggest regional market and are already physically better able to handle continental scale transportation.
The raw materials and components for manufacturer and the bulk of goods do not come across the Atlantic. They come the other way.
From either direction a couple of hundred miles to get to your biggest market is barely blink of an advantage.
WTO terms for a couple of years will cost businesses enough to spend the money on relocating instead especially as the final outcome is still unknown.
Regardless we stop being a European headquarters. A regional centre for a large number of companies. We become a national office where UK only rather than regional decisions are made. We go and ask for our allocation from the new, EU based headquarters.
We are the market to be "picked" by the USA. What incredible arrogance to believe that we are not going to give up whatever the U.S. demands. The naivety to believe that Trump will give us a trade deal to help destroy the EU. Guess what, it is not in his gift. Division of powers requires ratification by the Legislature. Everyone of whom has an electorate and interest groups to answer to. All of whom want to slice up our industries for expiration by them, not the other way around.
Minford's only economic proposition is that the UK unilaterally drops all tariffs to imports without any other country doing the same in return.
Want to try again to respond to that statement Centaur?"The USA said in a statement in October 2018, that it will be "well prepared" to start negotiations on a new trade deal with the UK as soon as we're free of the EU. President Donald Trump formally notified Congress last year, of his intentions to initiate trade agreement talks with the UK after Brexit. The USA has already started passing legislation in preparation for a post Brexit UK/USA trade deal. If you stepped outside of your remain echo chamber for one second you would realise this as its been widely reported in various news media. | |||
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"If you look around the world, most countries tend to have trade deals with the countries that are closest to them geographically. Not many with the reach beyond their nearest neighbours. The further away a country is, the less likely you are to enter into free trade. it''s the distance. I'd exclude two. China and the EU. They have global reach." So you don't think the USA has global reach? Odd given they are one of, if not the biggest economy on the face of the earth. If you think trade deals are useless when countries are on the opposite side of the world, that makes the EU/Japan trade pretty useless then by your logic. | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us, Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. So one of the main reasons of brexit is uncontrolled immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe. The EU encourage companies to invest in Eastern Europe thus improving their employment, thus reducing the need to move their families to other countries, thus reducing our immigration, thus their economies improving, thus giving our exporters another market. Seems like a good plan to me. Not 100% correct! 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! 2 like poorer parts of the UK, the EU invest in infrastructure projects in Eastern Europe too! However, just like the UK government giving aid to encourage jobs in regional enterprise zones in the UK, other governments do the same! 3 it's up to business to choose where to manufacturer - that's a business decision! A great example is Dyson - not built in UK as it's cheaper in Asian sweet shops! Have you ever seen inside the Dyson facilities in Asia? It puts most European factories to shame, with its advanced level of automation, productivity and cleanliness. The same applies to other EU countries that have advanced manufacturing plants in Asia! Plus Dyson still employs around 3,800 people in the UK. There were just 2 jobs being moved out of the UK from his announcement the other week. Do you think the two of them will be sitting in a room by themselves? Why are they building their consumer products in Singapore, Malaysia and the Philippines? Why will the new car and associated supplier base and technical jobs be in Singapore not here? Why are they expanding their research centre in Singapore as well? Try answering those questions rather than pointing at something else. Dyson has chosen those places because they are outside of the EU.
Outside of the EU protection racket known as the customs union and the external tariff barrier. Dyson can see where the high growth area is now and where the high growth area will be in the future and it's Asia, not Europe. The EU is in decline the rest of the world outside is on the up.
As for Dyson technical jobs for the new electric car some of that is here in the UK with Dyson's new multi million test track for research and development purposes and the creation of research and development jobs right here in the UK. Dyson has also invested heavily in the UK with his engineering college, producing the entrepreneurs and engineers of tomorrow here in the UK.
So, if the place to build and grow is Asia, who will invest in the UK.
We are aware that the engineering development is happening here. Several hundred high end jobs filled mainly by foreigners. As they are now.
Tens of thousands of jobs and the foundation of an entire new industry in Singapore.
The country built new land in the sea for this.
Singapore has a free trade deal with the EU so can sell without a tariff barrier.
You don't seem to think that's important for us.
Why is Germany able to sell successfully to China and Asia from within the EU but not us?
And yet when economists like Minford and the economists for free trade group say the UK could be like a European version of Singapore after Brexit remainers scoff at the idea. Yet here you are apparently singing the praises of Singapore and describing it's merits. Yet another remain contradiction to add to an ever growing list it seems.
Singapore is not like the UK.
Guess what. That's what Singapore says.
Singapore is not actually a low wage economy. However, it's manufacturing workforce is made up largely of immigrants from Malaysia who travel in every day. The taxes that they and the companies pay go to Singapore, not Malaysia.
Can we do that?
Are we geographically located as a nexus of international shipping?
We are located next to one huge international market with which we have a free trade deal. The EU.
So is Singapore but they aren't going to tear up the one with China.
Minford's only economic proposition is that the UK unilaterally drops all tariffs to imports without any other country doing the same in return.
Is that true Centaur?
The UK is ideally geographically placed to set itself up as a global free trading nation. The UK is an island nation so we're surrounded by the sea, we're not land locked in any way so we're ideal for shipping to the whole world. Yes we're geographically close to Europe and we're currently trying to finalise a free trade deal with them. We're also ideally placed for shipping across the Atlantic to America who the EU doesn't have a trade deal with. We want a free trade deal with the USA after Brexit. There is a huge market there ripe for picking.
Well done, you've identified that we aren't landlocked and that we're an island. So?
The UK is not as well placed as Rotterdam or Antwerp which are inside the biggest regional market and are already physically better able to handle continental scale transportation.
The raw materials and components for manufacturer and the bulk of goods do not come across the Atlantic. They come the other way.
From either direction a couple of hundred miles to get to your biggest market is barely blink of an advantage.
WTO terms for a couple of years will cost businesses enough to spend the money on relocating instead especially as the final outcome is still unknown.
Regardless we stop being a European headquarters. A regional centre for a large number of companies. We become a national office where UK only rather than regional decisions are made. We go and ask for our allocation from the new, EU based headquarters.
We are the market to be "picked" by the USA. What incredible arrogance to believe that we are not going to give up whatever the U.S. demands. The naivety to believe that Trump will give us a trade deal to help destroy the EU. Guess what, it is not in his gift. Division of powers requires ratification by the Legislature. Everyone of whom has an electorate and interest groups to answer to. All of whom want to slice up our industries for expiration by them, not the other way around.
Minford's only economic proposition is that the UK unilaterally drops all tariffs to imports without any other country doing the same in return.
Want to try again to respond to that statement Centaur?
The USA said in a statement in October 2018, that it will be "well prepared" to start negotiations on a new trade deal with the UK as soon as we're free of the EU. President Donald Trump formally notified Congress last year, of his intentions to initiate trade agreement talks with the UK after Brexit. The USA has already started passing legislation in preparation for a post Brexit UK/USA trade deal. If you stepped outside of your remain echo chamber for one second you would realise this as its been widely reported in various news media. "Wasn’t the point that any trade deal wouldnt be dictated just by trump and therefore may not be on terms which are designed to kill off the Eu. Rather than there being no trade deal at all? | |||
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"If you look around the world, most countries tend to have trade deals with the countries that are closest to them geographically. Not many with the reach beyond their nearest neighbours. The further away a country is, the less likely you are to enter into free trade. it''s the distance. I'd exclude two. China and the EU. They have global reach. So you don't think the USA has global reach? Odd given they are one of, if not the biggest economy on the face of the earth. If you think trade deals are useless when countries are on the opposite side of the world, that makes the EU/Japan trade pretty useless then by your logic. " Iirc their size is largely from within state trading. Their exports is a low % of gdp. Will try and source some stats. | |||
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"The effects of Brexit will be short-term, medium-term and long-term. I do not know when. It will last for years. But Japanese car manufacturing here is finished. Today, a car made in Japan has a 10% tariff. In 2027, it has zero tariff. Every year it reduces. A car made in the UK from March 29 has a tariff of? Dunno. But you don't need to be a boffin to figure it out. Cars made in the UK will be more expensive, while cars made in Japan become cheaper. Nissan moved here because it wanted entry to the single market. Now its UK manufacturing plant is outside the single market, while its manufacturing plant in Japan is on the inside. It's not rocket science. Exactly so the new trade deal eu/japan and an over supplied market not Brexit is the reason for Nissan changing plans. I actually am involved in manufacturing, voted leave and am optimistic in the long term we will be better off. So much has gone over the years as we pay to make factories in Eastern Europe more efficient so they can out compete us. We should have more confidence in ourselves. If you work in manufacturing how come you don't already know that the UK is the 6th largest manufacturing country in the world? And, as your involved in manufacturing, maybe you can explain to me how, making it harder to sell our manufactured goods to a largest customer (the EU) and 60 other smaller customer at the same time, is going to help? I think you are confusing gdp with manufacturing output. From the studies I can see we are somewhere between 7th and 9th depending how certain factors are weighted. It is unfortunate that any poster that isn’t remain has to put with others immediately trying to undermine the person, as though there view is not relevant as they must be stupid to not see that Brexit is all bad. As for cutting us from our biggest market, it won’t. It may take a while to settle but commerce is commerce and trade will go on. What it will do is encourage more added value here and make us become more efficient and allow us to trade on our terms worldwide. We export a small amount of product, into the EU you still have to verify the customers vat status and it is your responsibility to make sure it’s correct. Every transaction has to be completed on the vat submission each qtr. When we export to South Africa, Australia and the USA we have a small amount of extra paperwork but as we are exporting a range of repeat items it’s just copy and paste on the commercial invoices etc the same codes and declarations. The packaging is different because of restrictions on wooden crates etc but again once you’ve done it once just repeat. So if we have one more form to fill then it’s not going to make much difference at all." I don't believe my question in anyway undermined you personally, suggested that I thought your view was irrelevant or that you are in anyway stupid. I simply asked you a question and you, when you moved on to answer rather than complaining that I even dared to ask it, gave a pretty good answer. With regards to whether we're the 6th, 7th, 8th or 9th largest manufacturing country in the world you're correct, it does depend what criteria you use. On other threads I have used the phrase "either 6th or 7th largest manufacturing nation in the world, depending on how you calculate it". I'm sure there would be measures and criteria that may put us 8th or 9th too (although I haven't seen them). The real point is that, despite a lot of people believing that manufacturing no longer happens in this country as it was all destroyed by either the Trade Unions and Labour in the 70s or Margret Thatcher and the Tories in the 80s, we are still one of the largest manufacturing nations in the world. Out of interest, what area of manufacturing do you work in? | |||
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" 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! And who was the Home Secretary who decided not to spend money on setting a migrant registration system to enforce the rules? Step forward, Mrs May. It was Tony Blair who didn't put any transitional restrictions on free movement from Eastern European countries in the early 00's. The same Tony Blair who is now bitching and moaning about the vote to Leave and who wants to reverse the decision through another referendum.
Sovereign UK decision regardless of government. Our government made a bad decision based on the popular vote. Someone should have fought harder against it right?
Given your history of posting on here I expect you were one of the main cheer leaders of Blair decision.
I was against it and supported ukip at the time. What's your excuse? "I wasn't against it as I believe immigration is a positive benefit. However whether I was for it or you were against it is beside the point. The point is that it happened the way it happened due to a sovereign decision of the British Government (Blair's Labour Government) and it continued to happen up to now due to sovereign decisions of the British Government (Cameron's Conservative Govetment). | |||
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"If you look around the world, most countries tend to have trade deals with the countries that are closest to them geographically. Not many with the reach beyond their nearest neighbours. The further away a country is, the less likely you are to enter into free trade. it''s the distance. I'd exclude two. China and the EU. They have global reach. So you don't think the USA has global reach? Odd given they are one of, if not the biggest economy on the face of the earth. If you think trade deals are useless when countries are on the opposite side of the world, that makes the EU/Japan trade pretty useless then by your logic. " Thank you. You just underlined my point about the global reach of the EU. | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us, Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. So one of the main reasons of brexit is uncontrolled immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe. The EU encourage companies to invest in Eastern Europe thus improving their employment, thus reducing the need to move their families to other countries, thus reducing our immigration, thus their economies improving, thus giving our exporters another market. Seems like a good plan to me. Not 100% correct! 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! 2 like poorer parts of the UK, the EU invest in infrastructure projects in Eastern Europe too! However, just like the UK government giving aid to encourage jobs in regional enterprise zones in the UK, other governments do the same! 3 it's up to business to choose where to manufacturer - that's a business decision! A great example is Dyson - not built in UK as it's cheaper in Asian sweet shops! Have you ever seen inside the Dyson facilities in Asia? It puts most European factories to shame, with its advanced level of automation, productivity and cleanliness. The same applies to other EU countries that have advanced manufacturing plants in Asia! Plus Dyson still employs around 3,800 people in the UK. There were just 2 jobs being moved out of the UK from his announcement the other week. Do you think the two of them will be sitting in a room by themselves? Why are they building their consumer products in Singapore, Malaysia and the Philippines? Why will the new car and associated supplier base and technical jobs be in Singapore not here? Why are they expanding their research centre in Singapore as well? Try answering those questions rather than pointing at something else. Dyson has chosen those places because they are outside of the EU.
Outside of the EU protection racket known as the customs union and the external tariff barrier. Dyson can see where the high growth area is now and where the high growth area will be in the future and it's Asia, not Europe. The EU is in decline the rest of the world outside is on the up.
As for Dyson technical jobs for the new electric car some of that is here in the UK with Dyson's new multi million test track for research and development purposes and the creation of research and development jobs right here in the UK. Dyson has also invested heavily in the UK with his engineering college, producing the entrepreneurs and engineers of tomorrow here in the UK.
So, if the place to build and grow is Asia, who will invest in the UK.
We are aware that the engineering development is happening here. Several hundred high end jobs filled mainly by foreigners. As they are now.
Tens of thousands of jobs and the foundation of an entire new industry in Singapore.
The country built new land in the sea for this.
Singapore has a free trade deal with the EU so can sell without a tariff barrier.
You don't seem to think that's important for us.
Why is Germany able to sell successfully to China and Asia from within the EU but not us?
And yet when economists like Minford and the economists for free trade group say the UK could be like a European version of Singapore after Brexit remainers scoff at the idea. Yet here you are apparently singing the praises of Singapore and describing it's merits. Yet another remain contradiction to add to an ever growing list it seems.
Singapore is not like the UK.
Guess what. That's what Singapore says.
Singapore is not actually a low wage economy. However, it's manufacturing workforce is made up largely of immigrants from Malaysia who travel in every day. The taxes that they and the companies pay go to Singapore, not Malaysia.
Can we do that?
Are we geographically located as a nexus of international shipping?
We are located next to one huge international market with which we have a free trade deal. The EU.
So is Singapore but they aren't going to tear up the one with China.
Minford's only economic proposition is that the UK unilaterally drops all tariffs to imports without any other country doing the same in return.
Is that true Centaur?
The UK is ideally geographically placed to set itself up as a global free trading nation. The UK is an island nation so we're surrounded by the sea, we're not land locked in any way so we're ideal for shipping to the whole world. Yes we're geographically close to Europe and we're currently trying to finalise a free trade deal with them. We're also ideally placed for shipping across the Atlantic to America who the EU doesn't have a trade deal with. We want a free trade deal with the USA after Brexit. There is a huge market there ripe for picking.
Well done, you've identified that we aren't landlocked and that we're an island. So?
The UK is not as well placed as Rotterdam or Antwerp which are inside the biggest regional market and are already physically better able to handle continental scale transportation.
The raw materials and components for manufacturer and the bulk of goods do not come across the Atlantic. They come the other way.
From either direction a couple of hundred miles to get to your biggest market is barely blink of an advantage.
WTO terms for a couple of years will cost businesses enough to spend the money on relocating instead especially as the final outcome is still unknown.
Regardless we stop being a European headquarters. A regional centre for a large number of companies. We become a national office where UK only rather than regional decisions are made. We go and ask for our allocation from the new, EU based headquarters.
We are the market to be "picked" by the USA. What incredible arrogance to believe that we are not going to give up whatever the U.S. demands. The naivety to believe that Trump will give us a trade deal to help destroy the EU. Guess what, it is not in his gift. Division of powers requires ratification by the Legislature. Everyone of whom has an electorate and interest groups to answer to. All of whom want to slice up our industries for expiration by them, not the other way around.
Minford's only economic proposition is that the UK unilaterally drops all tariffs to imports without any other country doing the same in return.
Want to try again to respond to that statement Centaur?
The USA said in a statement in October 2018, that it will be "well prepared" to start negotiations on a new trade deal with the UK as soon as we're free of the EU. President Donald Trump formally notified Congress last year, of his intentions to initiate trade agreement talks with the UK after Brexit. The USA has already started passing legislation in preparation for a post Brexit UK/USA trade deal. If you stepped outside of your remain echo chamber for one second you would realise this as its been widely reported in various news media. "Every country in the world is "well prepared" for starting trade deals. None say "we are completely unprepared". We were "well prepared" when we started the Brexit process. Now we're "well prepared" for a no deal Brexit 
The terms of a trade deal with the UK is not in Trump's gift. Neither is the timeframe. The legislature has to answer to the electorates priorities and those of interest groups in their own states.
It will certainly be fast if we give in to all of their demands though
It never takes long for you to parrot back something that's been said to you out of context.
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us, Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. So one of the main reasons of brexit is uncontrolled immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe. The EU encourage companies to invest in Eastern Europe thus improving their employment, thus reducing the need to move their families to other countries, thus reducing our immigration, thus their economies improving, thus giving our exporters another market. Seems like a good plan to me. Not 100% correct! 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! 2 like poorer parts of the UK, the EU invest in infrastructure projects in Eastern Europe too! However, just like the UK government giving aid to encourage jobs in regional enterprise zones in the UK, other governments do the same! 3 it's up to business to choose where to manufacturer - that's a business decision! A great example is Dyson - not built in UK as it's cheaper in Asian sweet shops! Have you ever seen inside the Dyson facilities in Asia? It puts most European factories to shame, with its advanced level of automation, productivity and cleanliness. The same applies to other EU countries that have advanced manufacturing plants in Asia! Plus Dyson still employs around 3,800 people in the UK. There were just 2 jobs being moved out of the UK from his announcement the other week. Do you think the two of them will be sitting in a room by themselves? Why are they building their consumer products in Singapore, Malaysia and the Philippines? Why will the new car and associated supplier base and technical jobs be in Singapore not here? Why are they expanding their research centre in Singapore as well? Try answering those questions rather than pointing at something else. Dyson has chosen those places because they are outside of the EU.
Outside of the EU protection racket known as the customs union and the external tariff barrier. Dyson can see where the high growth area is now and where the high growth area will be in the future and it's Asia, not Europe. The EU is in decline the rest of the world outside is on the up.
As for Dyson technical jobs for the new electric car some of that is here in the UK with Dyson's new multi million test track for research and development purposes and the creation of research and development jobs right here in the UK. Dyson has also invested heavily in the UK with his engineering college, producing the entrepreneurs and engineers of tomorrow here in the UK. "Dyson's chosen a location with an FTA with the EU...... | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us, Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. So one of the main reasons of brexit is uncontrolled immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe. The EU encourage companies to invest in Eastern Europe thus improving their employment, thus reducing the need to move their families to other countries, thus reducing our immigration, thus their economies improving, thus giving our exporters another market. Seems like a good plan to me. Not 100% correct! 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! 2 like poorer parts of the UK, the EU invest in infrastructure projects in Eastern Europe too! However, just like the UK government giving aid to encourage jobs in regional enterprise zones in the UK, other governments do the same! 3 it's up to business to choose where to manufacturer - that's a business decision! A great example is Dyson - not built in UK as it's cheaper in Asian sweet shops! Have you ever seen inside the Dyson facilities in Asia? It puts most European factories to shame, with its advanced level of automation, productivity and cleanliness. The same applies to other EU countries that have advanced manufacturing plants in Asia! Plus Dyson still employs around 3,800 people in the UK. There were just 2 jobs being moved out of the UK from his announcement the other week. Do you think the two of them will be sitting in a room by themselves? Why are they building their consumer products in Singapore, Malaysia and the Philippines? Why will the new car and associated supplier base and technical jobs be in Singapore not here? Why are they expanding their research centre in Singapore as well? Try answering those questions rather than pointing at something else. Dyson has chosen those places because they are outside of the EU.
Outside of the EU protection racket known as the customs union and the external tariff barrier. Dyson can see where the high growth area is now and where the high growth area will be in the future and it's Asia, not Europe. The EU is in decline the rest of the world outside is on the up.
As for Dyson technical jobs for the new electric car some of that is here in the UK with Dyson's new multi million test track for research and development purposes and the creation of research and development jobs right here in the UK. Dyson has also invested heavily in the UK with his engineering college, producing the entrepreneurs and engineers of tomorrow here in the UK.
So, if the place to build and grow is Asia, who will invest in the UK.
We are aware that the engineering development is happening here. Several hundred high end jobs filled mainly by foreigners. As they are now.
Tens of thousands of jobs and the foundation of an entire new industry in Singapore.
The country built new land in the sea for this.
Singapore has a free trade deal with the EU so can sell without a tariff barrier.
You don't seem to think that's important for us.
Why is Germany able to sell successfully to China and Asia from within the EU but not us?
And yet when economists like Minford and the economists for free trade group say the UK could be like a European version of Singapore after Brexit remainers scoff at the idea. Yet here you are apparently singing the praises of Singapore and describing it's merits. Yet another remain contradiction to add to an ever growing list it seems.
Singapore is a low tax,low paternal environment with little in the way of historical legacy. Try running the NHS and a (fairly) generous state pension in low taxes. It’s a good system if you can start from scratch. I can’t see how we can jump tracks so easily.
You missed an EU trade deal?
That's what Brexit Britain is trying to agree with the EU now. Where have you been for the last 2 and half years?
You think WTO will be fine though.
Yes to begin with. The only way we'll get a sensible free trade deal with the EU is if we leave without a deal now, and do a Canada style free trade deal with them after 29th March as a 3rd country."How long will that take to negotiate eh? It's nonsensical "thinking" | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us, Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. So one of the main reasons of brexit is uncontrolled immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe. The EU encourage companies to invest in Eastern Europe thus improving their employment, thus reducing the need to move their families to other countries, thus reducing our immigration, thus their economies improving, thus giving our exporters another market. Seems like a good plan to me. Not 100% correct! 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! 2 like poorer parts of the UK, the EU invest in infrastructure projects in Eastern Europe too! However, just like the UK government giving aid to encourage jobs in regional enterprise zones in the UK, other governments do the same! 3 it's up to business to choose where to manufacturer - that's a business decision! A great example is Dyson - not built in UK as it's cheaper in Asian sweet shops! Have you ever seen inside the Dyson facilities in Asia? It puts most European factories to shame, with its advanced level of automation, productivity and cleanliness. The same applies to other EU countries that have advanced manufacturing plants in Asia! Plus Dyson still employs around 3,800 people in the UK. There were just 2 jobs being moved out of the UK from his announcement the other week. Do you think the two of them will be sitting in a room by themselves? Why are they building their consumer products in Singapore, Malaysia and the Philippines? Why will the new car and associated supplier base and technical jobs be in Singapore not here? Why are they expanding their research centre in Singapore as well? Try answering those questions rather than pointing at something else. Dyson has chosen those places because they are outside of the EU.
Outside of the EU protection racket known as the customs union and the external tariff barrier. Dyson can see where the high growth area is now and where the high growth area will be in the future and it's Asia, not Europe. The EU is in decline the rest of the world outside is on the up.
As for Dyson technical jobs for the new electric car some of that is here in the UK with Dyson's new multi million test track for research and development purposes and the creation of research and development jobs right here in the UK. Dyson has also invested heavily in the UK with his engineering college, producing the entrepreneurs and engineers of tomorrow here in the UK.
So, if the place to build and grow is Asia, who will invest in the UK.
We are aware that the engineering development is happening here. Several hundred high end jobs filled mainly by foreigners. As they are now.
Tens of thousands of jobs and the foundation of an entire new industry in Singapore.
The country built new land in the sea for this.
Singapore has a free trade deal with the EU so can sell without a tariff barrier.
You don't seem to think that's important for us.
Why is Germany able to sell successfully to China and Asia from within the EU but not us?
And yet when economists like Minford and the economists for free trade group say the UK could be like a European version of Singapore after Brexit remainers scoff at the idea. Yet here you are apparently singing the praises of Singapore and describing it's merits. Yet another remain contradiction to add to an ever growing list it seems.
Singapore is not like the UK.
Guess what. That's what Singapore says.
Singapore is not actually a low wage economy. However, it's manufacturing workforce is made up largely of immigrants from Malaysia who travel in every day. The taxes that they and the companies pay go to Singapore, not Malaysia.
Can we do that?
Are we geographically located as a nexus of international shipping?
We are located next to one huge international market with which we have a free trade deal. The EU.
So is Singapore but they aren't going to tear up the one with China.
Minford's only economic proposition is that the UK unilaterally drops all tariffs to imports without any other country doing the same in return.
Is that true Centaur?
The UK is ideally geographically placed to set itself up as a global free trading nation. The UK is an island nation so we're surrounded by the sea, we're not land locked in any way so we're ideal for shipping to the whole world. Yes we're geographically close to Europe and we're currently trying to finalise a free trade deal with them. We're also ideally placed for shipping across the Atlantic to America who the EU doesn't have a trade deal with. We want a free trade deal with the USA after Brexit. There is a huge market there ripe for picking.
Well done, you've identified that we aren't landlocked and that we're an island. So?
The UK is not as well placed as Rotterdam or Antwerp which are inside the biggest regional market and are already physically better able to handle continental scale transportation.
The raw materials and components for manufacturer and the bulk of goods do not come across the Atlantic. They come the other way.
From either direction a couple of hundred miles to get to your biggest market is barely blink of an advantage.
WTO terms for a couple of years will cost businesses enough to spend the money on relocating instead especially as the final outcome is still unknown.
Regardless we stop being a European headquarters. A regional centre for a large number of companies. We become a national office where UK only rather than regional decisions are made. We go and ask for our allocation from the new, EU based headquarters.
We are the market to be "picked" by the USA. What incredible arrogance to believe that we are not going to give up whatever the U.S. demands. The naivety to believe that Trump will give us a trade deal to help destroy the EU. Guess what, it is not in his gift. Division of powers requires ratification by the Legislature. Everyone of whom has an electorate and interest groups to answer to. All of whom want to slice up our industries for expiration by them, not the other way around.
Minford's only economic proposition is that the UK unilaterally drops all tariffs to imports without any other country doing the same in return.
Want to try again to respond to that statement Centaur?
The USA said in a statement in October 2018, that it will be "well prepared" to start negotiations on a new trade deal with the UK as soon as we're free of the EU. President Donald Trump formally notified Congress last year, of his intentions to initiate trade agreement talks with the UK after Brexit. The USA has already started passing legislation in preparation for a post Brexit UK/USA trade deal. If you stepped outside of your remain echo chamber for one second you would realise this as its been widely reported in various news media. "We havent even managed to negotiate the roll over of 40 FTAs that we have with third countries via the EU. What chance the biggliest trade deal ever with Trump? (Slim to fuck all) | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us, Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. So one of the main reasons of brexit is uncontrolled immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe. The EU encourage companies to invest in Eastern Europe thus improving their employment, thus reducing the need to move their families to other countries, thus reducing our immigration, thus their economies improving, thus giving our exporters another market. Seems like a good plan to me. Not 100% correct! 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! 2 like poorer parts of the UK, the EU invest in infrastructure projects in Eastern Europe too! However, just like the UK government giving aid to encourage jobs in regional enterprise zones in the UK, other governments do the same! 3 it's up to business to choose where to manufacturer - that's a business decision! A great example is Dyson - not built in UK as it's cheaper in Asian sweet shops! Have you ever seen inside the Dyson facilities in Asia? It puts most European factories to shame, with its advanced level of automation, productivity and cleanliness. The same applies to other EU countries that have advanced manufacturing plants in Asia! Plus Dyson still employs around 3,800 people in the UK. There were just 2 jobs being moved out of the UK from his announcement the other week. Do you think the two of them will be sitting in a room by themselves? Why are they building their consumer products in Singapore, Malaysia and the Philippines? Why will the new car and associated supplier base and technical jobs be in Singapore not here? Why are they expanding their research centre in Singapore as well? Try answering those questions rather than pointing at something else. Dyson has chosen those places because they are outside of the EU.
Outside of the EU protection racket known as the customs union and the external tariff barrier. Dyson can see where the high growth area is now and where the high growth area will be in the future and it's Asia, not Europe. The EU is in decline the rest of the world outside is on the up.
As for Dyson technical jobs for the new electric car some of that is here in the UK with Dyson's new multi million test track for research and development purposes and the creation of research and development jobs right here in the UK. Dyson has also invested heavily in the UK with his engineering college, producing the entrepreneurs and engineers of tomorrow here in the UK.
So, if the place to build and grow is Asia, who will invest in the UK.
We are aware that the engineering development is happening here. Several hundred high end jobs filled mainly by foreigners. As they are now.
Tens of thousands of jobs and the foundation of an entire new industry in Singapore.
The country built new land in the sea for this.
Singapore has a free trade deal with the EU so can sell without a tariff barrier.
You don't seem to think that's important for us.
Why is Germany able to sell successfully to China and Asia from within the EU but not us?
And yet when economists like Minford and the economists for free trade group say the UK could be like a European version of Singapore after Brexit remainers scoff at the idea. Yet here you are apparently singing the praises of Singapore and describing it's merits. Yet another remain contradiction to add to an ever growing list it seems.
Singapore is not like the UK.
Guess what. That's what Singapore says.
Singapore is not actually a low wage economy. However, it's manufacturing workforce is made up largely of immigrants from Malaysia who travel in every day. The taxes that they and the companies pay go to Singapore, not Malaysia.
Can we do that?
Are we geographically located as a nexus of international shipping?
We are located next to one huge international market with which we have a free trade deal. The EU.
So is Singapore but they aren't going to tear up the one with China.
Minford's only economic proposition is that the UK unilaterally drops all tariffs to imports without any other country doing the same in return.
Is that true Centaur?
The UK is ideally geographically placed to set itself up as a global free trading nation. The UK is an island nation so we're surrounded by the sea, we're not land locked in any way so we're ideal for shipping to the whole world. Yes we're geographically close to Europe and we're currently trying to finalise a free trade deal with them. We're also ideally placed for shipping across the Atlantic to America who the EU doesn't have a trade deal with. We want a free trade deal with the USA after Brexit. There is a huge market there ripe for picking.
Well done, you've identified that we aren't landlocked and that we're an island. So?
The UK is not as well placed as Rotterdam or Antwerp which are inside the biggest regional market and are already physically better able to handle continental scale transportation.
The raw materials and components for manufacturer and the bulk of goods do not come across the Atlantic. They come the other way.
From either direction a couple of hundred miles to get to your biggest market is barely blink of an advantage.
WTO terms for a couple of years will cost businesses enough to spend the money on relocating instead especially as the final outcome is still unknown.
Regardless we stop being a European headquarters. A regional centre for a large number of companies. We become a national office where UK only rather than regional decisions are made. We go and ask for our allocation from the new, EU based headquarters.
We are the market to be "picked" by the USA. What incredible arrogance to believe that we are not going to give up whatever the U.S. demands. The naivety to believe that Trump will give us a trade deal to help destroy the EU. Guess what, it is not in his gift. Division of powers requires ratification by the Legislature. Everyone of whom has an electorate and interest groups to answer to. All of whom want to slice up our industries for expiration by them, not the other way around.
Minford's only economic proposition is that the UK unilaterally drops all tariffs to imports without any other country doing the same in return.
Want to try again to respond to that statement Centaur?
The USA said in a statement in October 2018, that it will be "well prepared" to start negotiations on a new trade deal with the UK as soon as we're free of the EU. President Donald Trump formally notified Congress last year, of his intentions to initiate trade agreement talks with the UK after Brexit. The USA has already started passing legislation in preparation for a post Brexit UK/USA trade deal. If you stepped outside of your remain echo chamber for one second you would realise this as its been widely reported in various news media. "This was actually being discussed on TV over there before Christmas and one of the comments made kind of struck a chord with me. I don’t know who the woman was but she was talking authoratitively about US international trade policy and she was talking about the opportunities for US health care companies in post Brexit Britain because of “the creaking and old fashioned socialist healthcare service in the U.K.” She described US Health care providers and associated services as “world leading” and “best in the world” and described the NHS as “an old ship that can no longer be patched up.” | |||
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"The EU/ Japan trade deal has nothing to do with Brexit but does undermine our position with Japanese corporations. They would have done it anyway, same as Land Rover discovery going to Slavakia. The Eu(Germany) want to help the ascension countries at a cost to us, Wouldn't be the first time either as an EU grant helped Ford move production of the Transit van out of the UK over to Turkey years ago before there was ever any prospect of a referendum. So one of the main reasons of brexit is uncontrolled immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe. The EU encourage companies to invest in Eastern Europe thus improving their employment, thus reducing the need to move their families to other countries, thus reducing our immigration, thus their economies improving, thus giving our exporters another market. Seems like a good plan to me. Not 100% correct! 1 we do have control over EU citizens - freedom of movement is only for 90 days - UK just didn't enforce it! 2 like poorer parts of the UK, the EU invest in infrastructure projects in Eastern Europe too! However, just like the UK government giving aid to encourage jobs in regional enterprise zones in the UK, other governments do the same! 3 it's up to business to choose where to manufacturer - that's a business decision! A great example is Dyson - not built in UK as it's cheaper in Asian sweet shops! Have you ever seen inside the Dyson facilities in Asia? It puts most European factories to shame, with its advanced level of automation, productivity and cleanliness. The same applies to other EU countries that have advanced manufacturing plants in Asia! Plus Dyson still employs around 3,800 people in the UK. There were just 2 jobs being moved out of the UK from his announcement the other week. Do you think the two of them will be sitting in a room by themselves? Why are they building their consumer products in Singapore, Malaysia and the Philippines? Why will the new car and associated supplier base and technical jobs be in Singapore not here? Why are they expanding their research centre in Singapore as well? Try answering those questions rather than pointing at something else. Dyson has chosen those places because they are outside of the EU.
Outside of the EU protection racket known as the customs union and the external tariff barrier. Dyson can see where the high growth area is now and where the high growth area will be in the future and it's Asia, not Europe. The EU is in decline the rest of the world outside is on the up.
As for Dyson technical jobs for the new electric car some of that is here in the UK with Dyson's new multi million test track for research and development purposes and the creation of research and development jobs right here in the UK. Dyson has also invested heavily in the UK with his engineering college, producing the entrepreneurs and engineers of tomorrow here in the UK.
So, if the place to build and grow is Asia, who will invest in the UK.
We are aware that the engineering development is happening here. Several hundred high end jobs filled mainly by foreigners. As they are now.
Tens of thousands of jobs and the foundation of an entire new industry in Singapore.
The country built new land in the sea for this.
Singapore has a free trade deal with the EU so can sell without a tariff barrier.
You don't seem to think that's important for us.
Why is Germany able to sell successfully to China and Asia from within the EU but not us?
And yet when economists like Minford and the economists for free trade group say the UK could be like a European version of Singapore after Brexit remainers scoff at the idea. Yet here you are apparently singing the praises of Singapore and describing it's merits. Yet another remain contradiction to add to an ever growing list it seems.
Singapore is not like the UK.
Guess what. That's what Singapore says.
Singapore is not actually a low wage economy. However, it's manufacturing workforce is made up largely of immigrants from Malaysia who travel in every day. The taxes that they and the companies pay go to Singapore, not Malaysia.
Can we do that?
Are we geographically located as a nexus of international shipping?
We are located next to one huge international market with which we have a free trade deal. The EU.
So is Singapore but they aren't going to tear up the one with China.
Minford's only economic proposition is that the UK unilaterally drops all tariffs to imports without any other country doing the same in return.
Is that true Centaur?
The UK is ideally geographically placed to set itself up as a global free trading nation. The UK is an island nation so we're surrounded by the sea, we're not land locked in any way so we're ideal for shipping to the whole world. Yes we're geographically close to Europe and we're currently trying to finalise a free trade deal with them. We're also ideally placed for shipping across the Atlantic to America who the EU doesn't have a trade deal with. We want a free trade deal with the USA after Brexit. There is a huge market there ripe for picking.
Well done, you've identified that we aren't landlocked and that we're an island. So?
The UK is not as well placed as Rotterdam or Antwerp which are inside the biggest regional market and are already physically better able to handle continental scale transportation.
The raw materials and components for manufacturer and the bulk of goods do not come across the Atlantic. They come the other way.
From either direction a couple of hundred miles to get to your biggest market is barely blink of an advantage.
WTO terms for a couple of years will cost businesses enough to spend the money on relocating instead especially as the final outcome is still unknown.
Regardless we stop being a European headquarters. A regional centre for a large number of companies. We become a national office where UK only rather than regional decisions are made. We go and ask for our allocation from the new, EU based headquarters.
We are the market to be "picked" by the USA. What incredible arrogance to believe that we are not going to give up whatever the U.S. demands. The naivety to believe that Trump will give us a trade deal to help destroy the EU. Guess what, it is not in his gift. Division of powers requires ratification by the Legislature. Everyone of whom has an electorate and interest groups to answer to. All of whom want to slice up our industries for expiration by them, not the other way around.
Minford's only economic proposition is that the UK unilaterally drops all tariffs to imports without any other country doing the same in return.
Want to try again to respond to that statement Centaur?
The USA said in a statement in October 2018, that it will be "well prepared" to start negotiations on a new trade deal with the UK as soon as we're free of the EU. President Donald Trump formally notified Congress last year, of his intentions to initiate trade agreement talks with the UK after Brexit. The USA has already started passing legislation in preparation for a post Brexit UK/USA trade deal. If you stepped outside of your remain echo chamber for one second you would realise this as its been widely reported in various news media. "Here's the starting proposal from the Institute for Free Trade. A group started by BoJo and Fox. Report edited by Daniel Hannan. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-45566508 This is what they want. All they acknowledge I that the NHS might be a tough one to crack. When people tell you what they want to do you should listen. | |||
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"The effects of Brexit will be short-term, medium-term and long-term. I do not know when. It will last for years. But Japanese car manufacturing here is finished. Today, a car made in Japan has a 10% tariff. In 2027, it has zero tariff. Every year it reduces. A car made in the UK from March 29 has a tariff of? Dunno. But you don't need to be a boffin to figure it out. Cars made in the UK will be more expensive, while cars made in Japan become cheaper. Nissan moved here because it wanted entry to the single market. Now its UK manufacturing plant is outside the single market, while its manufacturing plant in Japan is on the inside. It's not rocket science. " . Do we all get free movement to Japan?, if so count me in  | |||
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"The effects of Brexit will be short-term, medium-term and long-term. I do not know when. It will last for years. But Japanese car manufacturing here is finished. Today, a car made in Japan has a 10% tariff. In 2027, it has zero tariff. Every year it reduces. A car made in the UK from March 29 has a tariff of? Dunno. But you don't need to be a boffin to figure it out. Cars made in the UK will be more expensive, while cars made in Japan become cheaper. Nissan moved here because it wanted entry to the single market. Now its UK manufacturing plant is outside the single market, while its manufacturing plant in Japan is on the inside. It's not rocket science. . Do we all get free movement to Japan?, if so count me in "Yes. Do you speak Japanese? | |||
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"The effects of Brexit will be short-term, medium-term and long-term. I do not know when. It will last for years. But Japanese car manufacturing here is finished. Today, a car made in Japan has a 10% tariff. In 2027, it has zero tariff. Every year it reduces. A car made in the UK from March 29 has a tariff of? Dunno. But you don't need to be a boffin to figure it out. Cars made in the UK will be more expensive, while cars made in Japan become cheaper. Nissan moved here because it wanted entry to the single market. Now its UK manufacturing plant is outside the single market, while its manufacturing plant in Japan is on the inside. It's not rocket science. . Do we all get free movement to Japan?, if so count me in
Yes. Do you speak Japanese?". Wow we do get free movement to Japan!. Do the Japanese know? | |||
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"The effects of Brexit will be short-term, medium-term and long-term. I do not know when. It will last for years. But Japanese car manufacturing here is finished. Today, a car made in Japan has a 10% tariff. In 2027, it has zero tariff. Every year it reduces. A car made in the UK from March 29 has a tariff of? Dunno. But you don't need to be a boffin to figure it out. Cars made in the UK will be more expensive, while cars made in Japan become cheaper. Nissan moved here because it wanted entry to the single market. Now its UK manufacturing plant is outside the single market, while its manufacturing plant in Japan is on the inside. It's not rocket science. . Do we all get free movement to Japan?, if so count me in "Good pedentary. 
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"The effects of Brexit will be short-term, medium-term and long-term. I do not know when. It will last for years. But Japanese car manufacturing here is finished. Today, a car made in Japan has a 10% tariff. In 2027, it has zero tariff. Every year it reduces. A car made in the UK from March 29 has a tariff of? Dunno. But you don't need to be a boffin to figure it out. Cars made in the UK will be more expensive, while cars made in Japan become cheaper. Nissan moved here because it wanted entry to the single market. Now its UK manufacturing plant is outside the single market, while its manufacturing plant in Japan is on the inside. It's not rocket science. . Do we all get free movement to Japan?, if so count me in
Yes. Do you speak Japanese?.
Wow we do get free movement to Japan!. Do the Japanese know?"It's in the trade deal - easier for them and us to travel- however we only have 56 days - better hurry! | |||
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"The effects of Brexit will be short-term, medium-term and long-term. I do not know when. It will last for years. But Japanese car manufacturing here is finished. Today, a car made in Japan has a 10% tariff. In 2027, it has zero tariff. Every year it reduces. A car made in the UK from March 29 has a tariff of? Dunno. But you don't need to be a boffin to figure it out. Cars made in the UK will be more expensive, while cars made in Japan become cheaper. Nissan moved here because it wanted entry to the single market. Now its UK manufacturing plant is outside the single market, while its manufacturing plant in Japan is on the inside. It's not rocket science. . Do we all get free movement to Japan?, if so count me in
Yes. Do you speak Japanese?.
Wow we do get free movement to Japan!. Do the Japanese know?
It's in the trade deal - easier for them and us to travel- however we only have 56 days - better hurry!". Easier to travel or free movement? | |||
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"The effects of Brexit will be short-term, medium-term and long-term. I do not know when. It will last for years. But Japanese car manufacturing here is finished. Today, a car made in Japan has a 10% tariff. In 2027, it has zero tariff. Every year it reduces. A car made in the UK from March 29 has a tariff of? Dunno. But you don't need to be a boffin to figure it out. Cars made in the UK will be more expensive, while cars made in Japan become cheaper. Nissan moved here because it wanted entry to the single market. Now its UK manufacturing plant is outside the single market, while its manufacturing plant in Japan is on the inside. It's not rocket science. . Do we all get free movement to Japan?, if so count me in
Good pedentary.
". It was sarcasm to be honest, everything in this post is probably completely agreeable by most brexiteers, they want what Japan got | |||
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"The effects of Brexit will be short-term, medium-term and long-term. I do not know when. It will last for years. But Japanese car manufacturing here is finished. Today, a car made in Japan has a 10% tariff. In 2027, it has zero tariff. Every year it reduces. A car made in the UK from March 29 has a tariff of? Dunno. But you don't need to be a boffin to figure it out. Cars made in the UK will be more expensive, while cars made in Japan become cheaper. Nissan moved here because it wanted entry to the single market. Now its UK manufacturing plant is outside the single market, while its manufacturing plant in Japan is on the inside. It's not rocket science. . Do we all get free movement to Japan?, if so count me in
Good pedentary.
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It was sarcasm to be honest, everything in this post is probably completely agreeable by most brexiteers, they want what Japan got "Best get on (almost) doubling our gdp then ! | |||
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" It was sarcasm to be honest, everything in this post is probably completely agreeable by most brexiteers, they want what Japan got "the irony is going to be lost on brexiteers... because the UK cant get as good a deal as is in the Japan-EU deal, because the legal text in the document states that "a direct competitor in the same region" can't be given a deal that would be detremental to the EU deal..... the same text is actually in the CETA agreement (Canada-EU Trade Agreement) | |||
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" It was sarcasm to be honest, everything in this post is probably completely agreeable by most brexiteers, they want what Japan got
the irony is going to be lost on brexiteers... because the UK cant get as good a deal as is in the Japan-EU deal, because the legal text in the document states that "a direct competitor in the same region" can't be given a deal that would be detremental to the EU deal.....
the same text is actually in the CETA agreement (Canada-EU Trade Agreement)". Will the same wording be in the East African/West African trade agreement?. | |||
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" It was sarcasm to be honest, everything in this post is probably completely agreeable by most brexiteers, they want what Japan got
the irony is going to be lost on brexiteers... because the UK cant get as good a deal as is in the Japan-EU deal, because the legal text in the document states that "a direct competitor in the same region" can't be given a deal that would be detremental to the EU deal.....
the same text is actually in the CETA agreement (Canada-EU Trade Agreement)"Is that right? I have not heard or seen that before. What a bomb. | |||
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"The effects of Brexit will be short-term, medium-term and long-term. I do not know when. It will last for years. But Japanese car manufacturing here is finished. Today, a car made in Japan has a 10% tariff. In 2027, it has zero tariff. Every year it reduces. A car made in the UK from March 29 has a tariff of? Dunno. But you don't need to be a boffin to figure it out. Cars made in the UK will be more expensive, while cars made in Japan become cheaper. Nissan moved here because it wanted entry to the single market. Now its UK manufacturing plant is outside the single market, while its manufacturing plant in Japan is on the inside. It's not rocket science. . Do we all get free movement to Japan?, if so count me in
Good pedentary.
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It was sarcasm to be honest, everything in this post is probably completely agreeable by most brexiteers, they want what Japan got
Best get on (almost) doubling our gdp then !". It seems double standards, everybody here wants a fair free(ish) trade agreement without free movement the EU say you can't have one because it goes against the EU principles then gives what appears the same thing to the Japanese?. Still on the plus side it only took 7 years  | |||
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"The effects of Brexit will be short-term, medium-term and long-term. I do not know when. It will last for years. But Japanese car manufacturing here is finished. Today, a car made in Japan has a 10% tariff. In 2027, it has zero tariff. Every year it reduces. A car made in the UK from March 29 has a tariff of? Dunno. But you don't need to be a boffin to figure it out. Cars made in the UK will be more expensive, while cars made in Japan become cheaper. Nissan moved here because it wanted entry to the single market. Now its UK manufacturing plant is outside the single market, while its manufacturing plant in Japan is on the inside. It's not rocket science. . Do we all get free movement to Japan?, if so count me in
Good pedentary.
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It was sarcasm to be honest, everything in this post is probably completely agreeable by most brexiteers, they want what Japan got
Best get on (almost) doubling our gdp then !.
It seems double standards, everybody here wants a fair free(ish) trade agreement without free movement the EU say you can't have one because it goes against the EU principles then gives what appears the same thing to the Japanese?.
Still on the plus side it only took 7 years "No. It's not the same at all. In the EU, every single item, both agricultural, and material can move without any customs checks or tariffs. Services (the largest part of our economy) are also freely traded. All FTAs are limited in scope. There are some items at zero tariff, some at a reduced tariff, some at WTO rates. There are still customs checks not least to ensure that goods are from the country of origin and not a third party. The trade in services is also very limited. However, if in doubt, make it up | |||
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"The effects of Brexit will be short-term, medium-term and long-term. I do not know when. It will last for years. But Japanese car manufacturing here is finished. Today, a car made in Japan has a 10% tariff. In 2027, it has zero tariff. Every year it reduces. A car made in the UK from March 29 has a tariff of? Dunno. But you don't need to be a boffin to figure it out. Cars made in the UK will be more expensive, while cars made in Japan become cheaper. Nissan moved here because it wanted entry to the single market. Now its UK manufacturing plant is outside the single market, while its manufacturing plant in Japan is on the inside. It's not rocket science. . Do we all get free movement to Japan?, if so count me in
Good pedentary.
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It was sarcasm to be honest, everything in this post is probably completely agreeable by most brexiteers, they want what Japan got
Best get on (almost) doubling our gdp then !.
It seems double standards, everybody here wants a fair free(ish) trade agreement without free movement the EU say you can't have one because it goes against the EU principles then gives what appears the same thing to the Japanese?.
Still on the plus side it only took 7 years
No. It's not the same at all.
In the EU, every single item, both agricultural, and material can move without any customs checks or tariffs. Services (the largest part of our economy) are also freely traded.
All FTAs are limited in scope. There are some items at zero tariff, some at a reduced tariff, some at WTO rates. There are still customs checks not least to ensure that goods are from the country of origin and not a third party. The trade in services is also very limited.
However, if in doubt, make it up ". That sounds right up our street, have you considered applying for the negotiating job in the UK?. | |||
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"The effects of Brexit will be short-term, medium-term and long-term. I do not know when. It will last for years. But Japanese car manufacturing here is finished. Today, a car made in Japan has a 10% tariff. In 2027, it has zero tariff. Every year it reduces. A car made in the UK from March 29 has a tariff of? Dunno. But you don't need to be a boffin to figure it out. Cars made in the UK will be more expensive, while cars made in Japan become cheaper. Nissan moved here because it wanted entry to the single market. Now its UK manufacturing plant is outside the single market, while its manufacturing plant in Japan is on the inside. It's not rocket science. . Do we all get free movement to Japan?, if so count me in
Good pedentary.
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It was sarcasm to be honest, everything in this post is probably completely agreeable by most brexiteers, they want what Japan got
Best get on (almost) doubling our gdp then !.
It seems double standards, everybody here wants a fair free(ish) trade agreement without free movement the EU say you can't have one because it goes against the EU principles then gives what appears the same thing to the Japanese?.
Still on the plus side it only took 7 years
No. It's not the same at all.
In the EU, every single item, both agricultural, and material can move without any customs checks or tariffs. Services (the largest part of our economy) are also freely traded.
All FTAs are limited in scope. There are some items at zero tariff, some at a reduced tariff, some at WTO rates. There are still customs checks not least to ensure that goods are from the country of origin and not a third party. The trade in services is also very limited.
However, if in doubt, make it up .
That sounds right up our street, have you considered applying for the negotiating job in the UK?."Do you really not understand the chasm of difference between a completely free market that is the same transporting, buying and selling just up the road in the UK to what happens in an FTA? Do you actually believe that they are equivalent? That the benefits are anything like as significant? | |||
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"The effects of Brexit will be short-term, medium-term and long-term. I do not know when. It will last for years. But Japanese car manufacturing here is finished. Today, a car made in Japan has a 10% tariff. In 2027, it has zero tariff. Every year it reduces. A car made in the UK from March 29 has a tariff of? Dunno. But you don't need to be a boffin to figure it out. Cars made in the UK will be more expensive, while cars made in Japan become cheaper. Nissan moved here because it wanted entry to the single market. Now its UK manufacturing plant is outside the single market, while its manufacturing plant in Japan is on the inside. It's not rocket science. . Do we all get free movement to Japan?, if so count me in
Good pedentary.
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It was sarcasm to be honest, everything in this post is probably completely agreeable by most brexiteers, they want what Japan got
Best get on (almost) doubling our gdp then !.
It seems double standards, everybody here wants a fair free(ish) trade agreement without free movement the EU say you can't have one because it goes against the EU principles then gives what appears the same thing to the Japanese?.
Still on the plus side it only took 7 years
No. It's not the same at all.
In the EU, every single item, both agricultural, and material can move without any customs checks or tariffs. Services (the largest part of our economy) are also freely traded.
All FTAs are limited in scope. There are some items at zero tariff, some at a reduced tariff, some at WTO rates. There are still customs checks not least to ensure that goods are from the country of origin and not a third party. The trade in services is also very limited.
However, if in doubt, make it up .
That sounds right up our street, have you considered applying for the negotiating job in the UK?.
Do you really not understand the chasm of difference between a completely free market that is the same transporting, buying and selling just up the road in the UK to what happens in an FTA?
Do you actually believe that they are equivalent? That the benefits are anything like as significant?". Yes, yes I think I do, alas the best deal comes with strings attached that cannot be tolerated by the majority of the electorate, so we want the next best, like you just described that doesn't come with the strings attached. I still think you should apply for the job, your good, really good. | |||
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"The effects of Brexit will be short-term, medium-term and long-term. I do not know when. It will last for years. But Japanese car manufacturing here is finished. Today, a car made in Japan has a 10% tariff. In 2027, it has zero tariff. Every year it reduces. A car made in the UK from March 29 has a tariff of? Dunno. But you don't need to be a boffin to figure it out. Cars made in the UK will be more expensive, while cars made in Japan become cheaper. Nissan moved here because it wanted entry to the single market. Now its UK manufacturing plant is outside the single market, while its manufacturing plant in Japan is on the inside. It's not rocket science. . Do we all get free movement to Japan?, if so count me in
Good pedentary.
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It was sarcasm to be honest, everything in this post is probably completely agreeable by most brexiteers, they want what Japan got
Best get on (almost) doubling our gdp then !.
It seems double standards, everybody here wants a fair free(ish) trade agreement without free movement the EU say you can't have one because it goes against the EU principles then gives what appears the same thing to the Japanese?.
Still on the plus side it only took 7 years
No. It's not the same at all.
In the EU, every single item, both agricultural, and material can move without any customs checks or tariffs. Services (the largest part of our economy) are also freely traded.
All FTAs are limited in scope. There are some items at zero tariff, some at a reduced tariff, some at WTO rates. There are still customs checks not least to ensure that goods are from the country of origin and not a third party. The trade in services is also very limited.
However, if in doubt, make it up .
That sounds right up our street, have you considered applying for the negotiating job in the UK?.
Do you really not understand the chasm of difference between a completely free market that is the same transporting, buying and selling just up the road in the UK to what happens in an FTA?
Do you actually believe that they are equivalent? That the benefits are anything like as significant?.
Yes, yes I think I do, alas the best deal comes with strings attached that cannot be tolerated by the majority of the electorate, so we want the next best, like you just described that doesn't come with the strings attached.
I still think you should apply for the job, your good, really good."There are strings attached. There are exclusion clauses to other trade deals. Equivalency rules and common regulations which mutually limit the ability to unilaterally make changes to national laws. Arbitration systems for disputes that will supercede UK law. You do know that, right? It's only people you don't like though. Everything else is fine  | |||
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"The effects of Brexit will be short-term, medium-term and long-term. I do not know when. It will last for years. But Japanese car manufacturing here is finished. Today, a car made in Japan has a 10% tariff. In 2027, it has zero tariff. Every year it reduces. A car made in the UK from March 29 has a tariff of? Dunno. But you don't need to be a boffin to figure it out. Cars made in the UK will be more expensive, while cars made in Japan become cheaper. Nissan moved here because it wanted entry to the single market. Now its UK manufacturing plant is outside the single market, while its manufacturing plant in Japan is on the inside. It's not rocket science. . Do we all get free movement to Japan?, if so count me in
Good pedentary.
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It was sarcasm to be honest, everything in this post is probably completely agreeable by most brexiteers, they want what Japan got
Best get on (almost) doubling our gdp then !.
It seems double standards, everybody here wants a fair free(ish) trade agreement without free movement the EU say you can't have one because it goes against the EU principles then gives what appears the same thing to the Japanese?.
Still on the plus side it only took 7 years
No. It's not the same at all.
In the EU, every single item, both agricultural, and material can move without any customs checks or tariffs. Services (the largest part of our economy) are also freely traded.
All FTAs are limited in scope. There are some items at zero tariff, some at a reduced tariff, some at WTO rates. There are still customs checks not least to ensure that goods are from the country of origin and not a third party. The trade in services is also very limited.
However, if in doubt, make it up .
That sounds right up our street, have you considered applying for the negotiating job in the UK?.
Do you really not understand the chasm of difference between a completely free market that is the same transporting, buying and selling just up the road in the UK to what happens in an FTA?
Do you actually believe that they are equivalent? That the benefits are anything like as significant?.
Yes, yes I think I do, alas the best deal comes with strings attached that cannot be tolerated by the majority of the electorate, so we want the next best, like you just described that doesn't come with the strings attached.
I still think you should apply for the job, your good, really good.
There are strings attached.
There are exclusion clauses to other trade deals. Equivalency rules and common regulations which mutually limit the ability to unilaterally make changes to national laws. Arbitration systems for disputes that will supercede UK law.
You do know that, right?
It's only people you don't like though. Everything else is fine ". Yes that sounds reasonable, sign us up skipper!. I don't mind the Japanese they seem harmless enough, well these days. | |||
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"" To produce as many cars as it does, Lawther explained, Nissan Sunderland needs to receive and fit 5m parts each day. Of these parts, 85% are imported, mainly from Europe. The plant holds only enough parts for half a day’s production, because it is expensive to store them, so the whole multi-billion pound operation relies on these millions of parts arriving daily with no barriers or customs delays. Because Britain is currently part of the EU, this is a straightforward process. Each of the 28 EU member states belongs to the single market, which has been designed to facilitate trade by removing tariffs, as well as other trade and customs barriers. Rather than having 28 different industrial safety regulations, for instance, there is a single set of regulations that applies across all member states. The single market means trade between 28 different countries is free, fast and “frictionless”, just as it would be if the EU were one very large country. “Frictionless trade has enabled the growth that has seen our Sunderland plant become the biggest factory in the history of the UK car industry, exporting more than half of its production to the EU,” Nissan said, in a statement for this article." It goes on " If Britain leaves the EU without securing an agreement for continued frictionless trade – the “hard Brexit” outcome – Britain’s trading relationships would be regulated by World Trade Organisation rules, which do not allow for agreed product standards, and therefore will require customs checks at the borders with Europe. The rules also impose tariffs, including 10% on cars, 4.5% on car parts. For Nissan’s Sunderland operation, Lawther told the committee, as well as likely new delays at the borders, the impact of tariffs will add up to around £500m per year of additional costs, which would be “pretty disastrous”." So what buisness do you know that can sustain an extra half a billion quid a year in running costs , without losing jobs ? Japan is just not a Stu0id Country & realises payin 1/2 a billion quid extra on the production of cars in the uk Is just not worth it." There are also the rules of origin regulations which govern trade deals with other countries. It's something in the region of 85% of content by value has to be from the country of origin. That will no longer be the case after Brexit. The economies of scale do not justify building component plants just to supply the UK market. However, as we've been so nice to the EU, perhaps they'll do us a favour and tell the other kids that their parts are almost as good as real British ones? They might help us out with our WTO schedule too as the USA, Australia and New Zealand, amongst others, are objecting... | |||
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