FabSwingers.com forum: Have Leave Voters been conned ?

By *laytimenow OP Man
over a year ago

Essex

It is becoming clearer by the day that there is not going to be a full on leave ( hard brexit).

Have you been conned, & what are you going to do in the last few weeks before the death of Brexit to try & change it ?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Really OP.

Please add a little flesh to your proposition, because from my perspective it seems as though tumbling or tripping into the hardest of hard brexits becomes more possible by the day.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Really OP.

Please add a little flesh to your proposition, because from my perspective it seems as though tumbling or tripping into the hardest of hard brexits becomes more possible by the day. "
Not often i can agree with you but seems that way to me too.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Really OP.

Please add a little flesh to your proposition, because from my perspective it seems as though tumbling or tripping into the hardest of hard brexits becomes more possible by the day. Not often i can agree with you but seems that way to me too."

Also agree, I think we're heading for a no deal brexit on 29th March.

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

"Really OP.

Please add a little flesh to your proposition, because from my perspective it seems as though tumbling or tripping into the hardest of hard brexits becomes more possible by the day. "

The only upside to a No Deal Brexit is that the Tories will never govern again: the electorate will punish them at the next GE when the consequences of the inept handling of Brexit becomes obvious to all and sundry

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

We’ve all been conned! Brexit will just make it worse...

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"Really OP.

Please add a little flesh to your proposition, because from my perspective it seems as though tumbling or tripping into the hardest of hard brexits becomes more possible by the day.

Yet some of the strongest advocates for Brexit are the Labour strongholds.

Will make for interesting times in 2022.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"It is becoming clearer by the day that there is not going to be a full on leave ( hard brexit).

Have you been conned, & what are you going to do in the last few weeks before the death of Brexit to try & change it ? "
there is nothing ppl on here can do buddy we could try moaning and ranting lol what do you think we should do

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

Yes leave voters have been conned. They have been conned into thinking this would all be easy. And that leaving would have no down sides.

Even today, after how many years now, I see a video of some idiot in a supermarket videoing all the fresh produce that has come from outside the EU. He ends with something like "See! We don't need the stinking EU". Only problem is of the six countries he highlights, five of them we have trade agreements with due to being in the EU.

Egypt - 2001

Guatamala - Prov. applied 2013

India - Neg. started 2007

Kenya - 2014

Peru - Prov. applied 2013

Mexico - 1997

And India we've been in negotiations with for over a decade.

Yes, leave voters have been conned. And they are sticking their heads in the sand even still now.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If something comes from India via the EU will it need to be checked when it enters the EU, and when it enters the UK (assuming custom checks are required)? I’m assuming we can’t rely on EU checks, so I guess I’m asking can it pass through the EU unchecked if they know it’s UK bound ?

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

The fact that the tories found money to donate to the DUP for votes and that they are now hinting at money being made available to leave voting areas of the U.K. with Labour MPs in exchange for votes , indicates that money has always been available and shows that austerity is and was a political choice and not necessary ,, so yes we have been conned

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The fact that the tories found money to donate to the DUP for votes and that they are now hinting at money being made available to leave voting areas of the U.K. with Labour MPs in exchange for votes , indicates that money has always been available and shows that austerity is and was a political choice and not necessary ,, so yes we have been conned"

We've got the best politicians money can buy...

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Here is how blatant the con has become:

May says she wants to meet with all party leaders, Corbyn says "Not until a 'no deal' brexit is taken off the table", and demands the possibility of a no deal to be withdrawn. May says "No", Corbyn refuses to meet her. Corbyn is attacked by May and pilloried by BBC.

Parliament votes to remove a 'no deal' brexit and Corbyn then says he will meet the PM. Laura Kuenssburg then uses her offical BBC twitter account to tweet that Corbyn is doing a U turn!

You really could not make this shit up!

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

Yes we were conned in the first place when joining a so called common market. That's what many can't actually grasp. At least we didn't go on like today's lot who think they know best and want a second vote.

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By *rench letterCouple
over a year ago

Chorley,

Yes, all leave voters were conned in the referendum in 2016. By Farage, Mogg, Johnson and the bafoon who owns Wetherspoons.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

"It is becoming clearer by the day that there is not going to be a full on leave ( hard brexit).

Have you been conned, & what are you going to do in the last few weeks before the death of Brexit to try & change it ? "

The deal has opposition from Labour, SNP, Greens, Libs, DUP and Independents.

How is it not going to be a hard brexit when it is voted out and we default to WTO. The parties above are voting in a hard brexit - they are voting for what the country wanted no?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is becoming clearer by the day that there is not going to be a full on leave ( hard brexit).

Have you been conned, & what are you going to do in the last few weeks before the death of Brexit to try & change it ?

The deal has opposition from Labour, SNP, Greens, Libs, DUP and Independents.

How is it not going to be a hard brexit when it is voted out and we default to WTO. The parties above are voting in a hard brexit - they are voting for what the country wanted no? "

You forgot to mention all the conservatives who oppose the deal.Must of slipped your mind or are trying to apportion blame to anyone but the conservatives..

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"It is becoming clearer by the day that there is not going to be a full on leave ( hard brexit).

Have you been conned, & what are you going to do in the last few weeks before the death of Brexit to try & change it ?

The deal has opposition from Labour, SNP, Greens, Libs, DUP and Independents.

How is it not going to be a hard brexit when it is voted out and we default to WTO. The parties above are voting in a hard brexit - they are voting for what the country wanted no? "

When push comes to shove, and it's a choice between a hard exit or Mrs May's agreement, expect a lot of them to hold their nose and back Mrs May.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"If something comes from India via the EU will it need to be checked when it enters the EU, and when it enters the UK (assuming custom checks are required)? I’m assuming we can’t rely on EU checks, so I guess I’m asking can it pass through the EU unchecked if they know it’s UK bound ?"

The tariffs may be different between the EU and India, and the UK and India.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

"It is becoming clearer by the day that there is not going to be a full on leave ( hard brexit).

Have you been conned, & what are you going to do in the last few weeks before the death of Brexit to try & change it ?

The deal has opposition from Labour, SNP, Greens, Libs, DUP and Independents.

How is it not going to be a hard brexit when it is voted out and we default to WTO. The parties above are voting in a hard brexit - they are voting for what the country wanted no?

You forgot to mention all the conservatives who oppose the deal.Must of slipped your mind or are trying to apportion blame to anyone but the conservatives..

I didn't mention them because there was no majority against the deal with the Tory's, but there was in all the other parties. Yes 1/3 - 1/2 of Tory brexiteers voted for a hard brexit, but the hard brexit will be the result of parties that totally oppose it.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"The tariffs may be different between the EU and India, and the UK and India.

And if they are imported via an EU based business we will get to pay the tariff twice, because I am fairly sure the EU supplier will not be rushing to take the tariff hit on the goods entering the EU or entering the UK.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

"It is becoming clearer by the day that there is not going to be a full on leave ( hard brexit).

Have you been conned, & what are you going to do in the last few weeks before the death of Brexit to try & change it ?

The deal has opposition from Labour, SNP, Greens, Libs, DUP and Independents.

How is it not going to be a hard brexit when it is voted out and we default to WTO. The parties above are voting in a hard brexit - they are voting for what the country wanted no?

When push comes to shove, and it's a choice between a hard exit or Mrs May's agreement, expect a lot of them to hold their nose and back Mrs May.

Back to the question and if the electorate have been conned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The tariffs may be different between the EU and India, and the UK and India.

I’m thinking checks rather than tarriffs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is becoming clearer by the day that there is not going to be a full on leave ( hard brexit).

Have you been conned, & what are you going to do in the last few weeks before the death of Brexit to try & change it ?

The deal has opposition from Labour, SNP, Greens, Libs, DUP and Independents.

How is it not going to be a hard brexit when it is voted out and we default to WTO. The parties above are voting in a hard brexit - they are voting for what the country wanted no?

You forgot to mention all the conservatives who oppose the deal.Must of slipped your mind or are trying to apportion blame to anyone but the conservatives..

You and the conservatives have little chance of persuading the electorate that they are absolved of responsibility for a hard brexit.Thats just absurd.Its their baby they have a majority and it's the hard brexiters that are preventing the deal going through.

Deflect til the cows come home a hard brexit is a conservative problem from start to finish.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Everyone was conned: lies were told to all voters, before the referendum, with illegal activities especially bad and prolific from the leave group. Since the referendum there has continued to be a great con and certainly the government has excelled at ineptitude, which would reasonably be likely to make people worse off.

Theresa May postponing parliament's vote for a month over Christmas, when she knew that it would be voted down then - only to have it become one of the greatest all time government failures. Worse than that, it meant there was little time for any recovery of appropriate preparations for brexit. But May and the conservatives are still conning everyone, as if everything's perfectly fine and proper - as well as possible - with just a few days to go, until March 29th. People respect honesty but rightly detest being subject to fraud, which is what the government has been active in for a long time. A stubborn leader who is only interested in protecting the conservative party,which has caused this entire clusterf£ck, wasting over 2 years and is still to make its mind up over what it wants. You've been played and conned.

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

"Here is how blatant the con has become:

Parliament votes to remove a 'no deal' brexit and Corbyn then says he will meet the PM. Laura Kuenssburg then uses her offical BBC twitter account to tweet that Corbyn is doing a U turn!

You really could not make this shit up!"
. It wasn't only Laura on the BBC ,,, Sky also reported that Corbyn had changed his mind , when he clearly hadn't ,,, irrespective of what side of the debate you are on (leave or remain ) this is simply bad reporting of the facts ,

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

It’s not really off the table, though. Is it?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"It’s not really off the table, though. Is it?"

Are you suggesting that our Tory government will ignore parliament and that May is acting in bad faith?

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By *laytimenow OP Man
over a year ago

Essex

It really seems quite a Right Royal F*ck up , other than the fact its not the Royals fault

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Really OP.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Here is how blatant the con has become:

Parliament votes to remove a 'no deal' brexit and Corbyn then says he will meet the PM. Laura Kuenssburg then uses her offical BBC twitter account to tweet that Corbyn is doing a U turn!

You really could not make this shit up!"

Refusing to meet TM was a tactical error by Corbyn. He should have agreed to meet her and told her to her face that, until 'no deal' was taken off the table there was nothing to talk about.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

The tariffs may be different between the EU and India, and the UK and India.

I’m thinking checks rather than tarriffs. "

It depends what agreement we actually have with the EU on goods transiting through the EU to the UK. Normally tariffs are only paid on goods being permeability imported and if the goods are exported within a given timeframe the tariff can be claimed back. However the downside with that is even more bureaucracy at the border as goods are checked going out as well as coming in.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"It’s not really off the table, though. Is it?

Are you suggesting that our Tory government will ignore parliament and that May is acting in bad faith?

Yes to the first (or at least she'll try to). No to the second. She's never said or agreed to not go for a 'no deal' BREXIT, only that it's not her preferred option.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also agree, I think we're heading for a no deal brexit on 29th March. "

Totally agree and I hope it happens. Might even throw a party

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

Also agree, I think we're heading for a no deal brexit on 29th March.

Totally agree and I hope it happens. Might even throw a party "

I'd leave the champagne on ice if I were you. On the 14 February there's going to a lot of very sad mad BREXITERS venting while the Remainers and the more reasonable BREXITERS all heave a massive sigh of relief.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Also agree, I think we're heading for a no deal brexit on 29th March.

Totally agree and I hope it happens. Might even throw a party "

Well I hope you send me and the other Brexiteers in the forum an invite to this party.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

"It is becoming clearer by the day that there is not going to be a full on leave ( hard brexit).

Have you been conned, & what are you going to do in the last few weeks before the death of Brexit to try & change it ?

The deal has opposition from Labour, SNP, Greens, Libs, DUP and Independents.

How is it not going to be a hard brexit when it is voted out and we default to WTO. The parties above are voting in a hard brexit - they are voting for what the country wanted no?

You forgot to mention all the conservatives who oppose the deal.Must of slipped your mind or are trying to apportion blame to anyone but the conservatives..

Deflect til the cows come home a hard brexit is a conservative problem from start to finish."

I'm just observing what is going on. MP's and Party's like the deal or not. If the deal is that bad that WTO is a better option that a deal, then MP's and Parliament will vote that through as best option for the UK.

MP's will be responsible for the result as all sides of the house have a vote.

Labour are unable to get into govt but have a completely and opposing mandate as do the others. They must consider the positives to WTO and any preparations made - also too that they'd be giving the people what they voted for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Goods travelling from India to the UK do NOT have to travel through Europe. They could come via any combination of China, Malaysia, Australia, New Zealand, Hawaii, America, Africa, Russia, Norway, Canada to name but a few.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also agree, I think we're heading for a no deal brexit on 29th March.

Totally agree and I hope it happens. Might even throw a party

Well I hope you send me and the other Brexiteers in the forum an invite to this party.

Sounds like the worst party of all time.

Speaking of shit parties. What happened to ththe Brexit Festival TM was planning?

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

"Yes we were conned in the first place when joining a so called common market. That's what many can't actually grasp. At least we didn't go on like today's lot who think they know best and want a second vote. "

Has your life been measurably worse since 1973? I doubt it

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Also agree, I think we're heading for a no deal brexit on 29th March.

Totally agree and I hope it happens. Might even throw a party

Well I hope you send me and the other Brexiteers in the forum an invite to this party.

Sounds like the worst party of all time.

Speaking of shit parties. What happened to ththe Brexit Festival TM was planning? "

I went out to celebrate just after the vote to Leave in June 2016 with some Leave voting friends. Was a great night full of joy, and happy smiling faces all around.

I'll be having a similar celebration just after March 29th when we finally free ourselves from the prison of the EU.

We really don't want any sour faced, pessimistic, negative, glum, misery guts remoaners there putting a downer on things so that rules out people like you Dave.

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By *heislanderMan
over a year ago

cheshunt

"Really OP.

Please add a little flesh to your proposition, because from my perspective it seems as though tumbling or tripping into the hardest of hard brexits becomes more possible by the day.

Strong words, and you may be right but what alternative have voters got? I’m selfish, I vote for what’s good for me. I voted to remain, but we lost so it’s now a case of making it work the best we can.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also agree, I think we're heading for a no deal brexit on 29th March.

Totally agree and I hope it happens. Might even throw a party

Well I hope you send me and the other Brexiteers in the forum an invite to this party.

Sounds like the worst party of all time.

Speaking of shit parties. What happened to ththe Brexit Festival TM was planning?

I went out to celebrate just after the vote to Leave in June 2016 with some Leave voting friends. Was a great night full of joy, and happy smiling faces all around.

I'll be having a similar celebration just after March 29th when we finally free ourselves from the prison of the EU.

We really don't want any sour faced, pessimistic, negative, glum, misery guts remoaners there putting a downer on things so that rules out people like you Dave. "

Fine by me, I have no interest in hanging out with a bunch of Daily Mail readers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes!

Subject: Sovereignty

Proof:

ISIS teenager who went to Syria and who now wants to come back, apparently under international law, she cannot be made a stateless person and therefore has the right to return.

So how are we going to square that problem. Home Secretary said no but he hasn't got the authority to stop a British citizen coming back?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Also agree, I think we're heading for a no deal brexit on 29th March.

Totally agree and I hope it happens. Might even throw a party

14th feb vote was kicked down the road to feb 28th.... if you are a politics junkie thats the day you want off and circle on your calander.... i think thats when you are likely to see the labour and tory splits really show....

the centrists breaking from corbyns labour if he doesn't finally support the 2nd referendum....

the centrists breaking from mays conservative party if it looks like she really is going to support a no deal brexit with the ERG......

the ERG splitting from the conservatives towards farages brexit party if they don't get the leave on the march 29th.....

i suspect we could actually see any one of them.... possibly two

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Yes!

Subject: Sovereignty

Proof:

ISIS teenager who went to Syria and who now wants to come back, apparently under international law, she cannot be made a stateless person and therefore has the right to return.

So how are we going to square that problem. Home Secretary said no but he hasn't got the authority to stop a British citizen coming back?"

If she has dual nationality then the UK has the right under international law to refuse to allow her back into the UK. If she only has UK citizenship then yes she has a right to come back to the UK but the UK is under no obligation to go and pick her up. Frankly if she wants to come back here she can find her own way back from Syria and fund it out of her own pocket. If and when she arrives back here she should also be aware she will be immediately arrested by the authorities and put on trial for terror offences.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Also agree, I think we're heading for a no deal brexit on 29th March.

Totally agree and I hope it happens. Might even throw a party

Funny it's the 16th February and none of that happened.

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over a year ago

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

Also agree, I think we're heading for a no deal brexit on 29th March.

Totally agree and I hope it happens. Might even throw a party

Funny it's the 16th February and none of that happened.

Keep smiling then. Role on 27th.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"It’s not really off the table, though. Is it?

Are you suggesting that our Tory government will ignore parliament and that May is acting in bad faith?

I have no idea what our Government thinks now.

One minute, it is this deal.

Then they vote against the deal.

And then they'll go for another deal, the one they were told was non negotiable.

I have never seen a government as clueless as this one.

Mrs May 2017.

When she called the general election.

That was when people sussed she was a liar.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree with the op, we have been led to believe that May meant it when she said “no deal is better than a bad deal.” It made sense, but it was just smoke and mirrors as usual. May is trying to force parliament to vote her deal through, that is why she still tries to say no deal is still on the table. She wants their to be only two choices, knowing that under those circumstances the house will concede and vote for her fudge of a deal, which will be like no BREXIT at all..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I agree with the op, we have been led to believe that May meant it when she said “no deal is better than a bad deal.” It made sense, but it was just smoke and mirrors as usual. May is trying to force parliament to vote her deal through, that is why she still tries to say no deal is still on the table. She wants their to be only two choices, knowing that under those circumstances the house will concede and vote for her fudge of a deal, which will be like no BREXIT at all.."

This sounds like you are in the camp that no deal is a bad deal and that Mays deal is better... is that a fair reading ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes they have, brexit is dumbed down politics.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This sounds like you are in the camp that no deal is a bad deal and that Mays deal is better... is that a fair reading ?"

No! I believe that no deal is the only deal and May’s deal is a fudge. She has been playing a long game, and will do whatever it takes to keep us tied to Brussels forevermore. BREXIT only in name, that is her game.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This sounds like you are in the camp that no deal is a bad deal and that Mays deal is better... is that a fair reading ?

My bad. I thought you meant maybsaying no deal is better than a bad deal is a lie !!

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

No deal is the worst outcome.

If everything is going to be exactly the same then why does anyone have trade deals?

If you think not then why not describe what you think would actually happen if there is no deal? Just say what you think that the consequences will be. To whom? For how long?

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

This sounds like you are in the camp that no deal is a bad deal and that Mays deal is better... is that a fair reading ?

By definition, No Deal isnt a deal at all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is becoming clearer by the day that there is not going to be a full on leave ( hard brexit).

Have you been conned, & what are you going to do in the last few weeks before the death of Brexit to try & change it ? "

Have you been injured in an accident which was not your fault? If so call the national accident helpline.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Also agree, I think we're heading for a no deal brexit on 29th March.

Totally agree and I hope it happens. Might even throw a party

the centrists breaking from corbyns labour if he doesn't finally support the 2nd referendum....

the centrists breaking from mays conservative party if it looks like she really is going to support a no deal brexit with the ERG......

the ERG splitting from the conservatives towards farages brexit party if they don't get the leave on the march 29th.....

i suspect we could actually see any one of them.... possibly two"

meaning vote been kicked down the road by may yet again.... now says no "meaningful vote" this week... will come up again by march 12th!!!

see... and who said the plan wasn't the run down the clock!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes!

Subject: Sovereignty

Proof:

ISIS teenager who went to Syria and who now wants to come back, apparently under international law, she cannot be made a stateless person and therefore has the right to return.

So how are we going to square that problem. Home Secretary said no but he hasn't got the authority to stop a British citizen coming back?"

Very, very simple. Citizenshipless by Western standards, yes. Countryless, yes. Sovereignless - yes.

But Stateless? Didn't she go to join the Islamic Holy State or something?

Stateless? Take a running jump, lady.

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