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By *rMrsWestMids OP   Couple
over a year ago

Dudley

There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!?

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By *rMrsWestMids OP   Couple
over a year ago

Dudley


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!? "

Have we got economists and captains of industry in the forum or people who spend a lot of time on internet search engines!

Step up to the plate and tell us your qualifications.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I have not seen anyone style themselves as an expert.

What a peculiar thing to say.

What I do see is a wide variety of people bringing some knowledge (or not) from whatever experience they have, or whatever sector of society they work or live in, and mixing that with opinion.

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By *rMrsWestMids OP   Couple
over a year ago

Dudley


"I have not seen anyone style themselves as an expert.

What a peculiar thing to say.

What I do see is a wide variety of people bringing some knowledge (or not) from whatever experience they have, or whatever sector of society they work or live in, and mixing that with opinion.

"

I find it peculiar that you haven't noticed, we must be looking on different forums then, you see the same small group of posters telling us what's going to happen to air travel, food, medicine, you name it they know about it !When genuine experts have been proved to be wrong on various predictions made why should we listen to the self styled experts on here?

Does anyone have any experience of Brexit or is it just opinions, what sector do you work in that gives you this experience?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Britain has had enough of experts

In all seriousness, either you listen to experts only (and there seem to be limited experts in favour of brexit).

Or you seek to educate yourself. Which includes googling and debating.

But if fabsters can’t offer their views Durban to lack of expertise , how can anyone say they knew what they voted for ???

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By *rMrsWestMids OP   Couple
over a year ago

Dudley


"Britain has had enough of experts

In all seriousness, either you listen to experts only (and there seem to be limited experts in favour of brexit).

Or you seek to educate yourself. Which includes googling and debating.

But if fabsters can’t offer their views Durban to lack of expertise , how can anyone say they knew what they voted for ???"

I'm all for people giving their views/opinions but don't try to pass it off as fact!

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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago

south west , continental

It's all just hyper opinion depending on what side of the political divide you fall into, what newspaper you read, what TV channels you watch and spinning what ever snippet of good or bad news comes your way. One person's opinion isn't necessarily right or wrong. Everyone has equal opportunities to mould the agenda to suit their narrative. No one is an expert, just an over enthusiastic pundit for their cause.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Britain has had enough of experts

In all seriousness, either you listen to experts only (and there seem to be limited experts in favour of brexit).

Or you seek to educate yourself. Which includes googling and debating.

But if fabsters can’t offer their views Durban to lack of expertise , how can anyone say they knew what they voted for ???

I'm all for people giving their views/opinions but don't try to pass it off as fact!"

This is true on both sides. But if an opinion is not fact it should be possible to challenge. Call it confirmation bias, but remainers seem more willing to debate than leavers, who often leave a post which challenges their facts unanswered, deviate, or strawman.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!? "

What an odd post.

These are just people shooting shit and exchanging their opinions.

From a personal perspective, I have lived in the EU and I have had investments in the EU and the USA and my opinions are based on those experiences. I also have a life long interest in general aviation through which I gather knowledge and information about the broader issues surrounding aviation generally.

None of the above makes me an expert and I will always be always open minded enough to allow upcoming life experiences to further shape my thoughts and opinions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like experts they prevent planes falling apart mid air.They place satellites in geosynchronous orbits .

I'm sick of the Luddites .Yes you might need to google what one is .

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

I’m not an expert on Brexit at all. I have lived around the world, and I have both run several small businesses employing people from U.K., EU, and beyond. And now I work for an extremely large international IT company in a team managing their EU infrastructure and working alongside those from again, the U.K., EU and RoW.

But to be honest none of that really matters in my initial decision to vote remain. Regardless of what my personal feelings are for the benefits of being a part of the EU, when the vote came around no-one was able to actually tell me what benefits of leaving were. They still aren’t. So they wanted to vote for a massive upheaval of our cultural, legal, trade etc position and to what benefit? No, sorry, was not convinced. Don’t need to be an expert for that.

-Matt

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

Yes it's mostly the same people debating on here, but I haven't noticed anyone claiming to be experts. They express their opinion supported by their knowledge which might or might not be disputed by others. Isn't that what debating is all about?

It's completely up to you to decide if you wish to read the forums/threads and listen,debate or even believe any of the arguments.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"When genuine experts have been proved to be wrong on various predictions made why should we listen to the self styled experts on here?

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Don't, then.

Go do something else if it gets you down.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

I can only go on personal experience as an immigrant to this lovely Country. I speak of how I feel and what’s pertinent to me. In now way would I consider myself an expert at anything.

If the politicians don’t know what’s going on with Brexit then sure as hell im going to take everything on here with a pinch of salt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not an expert in air traffic or medicines or any of that. However, I do work for a major management consultancy and I've spent months now working with large businesses on their contingency planning. So I can't claim expertise on most of the things people here talk about but I do know major household names are planning on reducing investment in the UK by significant margins. In some cases this will happen almost immediately but more commonly it will be a gradual withdrawal over months or years.

Plenty of businesses are worried about negative headlines of pulling out of the UK immediately and so a lot of this is being planned in a way that will minimise negative headlines for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!? "

This post wins best post of the month, and best thread of the month

.

some will be spitting feathers at this

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Blimey...there are so many experts on here with opinions....i just comment most of the time to fan the flames and boy do they bite ....its great to see the reactions lol x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Blimey...there are so many experts on here with opinions....i just comment most of the time to fan the flames and boy do they bite ....its great to see the reactions lol x"

Dude it's called trolling

Now back under that bridge troll..

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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago

south west , continental


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!?

This post wins best post of the month, and best thread of the month

.

some will be spitting feathers at this "

A dear friend of mine once said no one likes a know all!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I note that some posters gave a reasonably detailed answer and some just sniped.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Speaking of "experts", the Guardian today quotes a couple who specialise in EU law under the headline: "UK cannot simply trade on WTO terms after no-deal Brexit, say experts"

In summary:

A) The UK needs its own schedule from March 30 and this is currently blocked by a number of objections

B) There are 9 statutes and 600 statutory instruments - regulations - that need to be approved in Parliament before March 30 for WTO practice to become lawful.

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By *bsolutebeginnersCouple
over a year ago

Planet Ork

No need for experts. Write something on the side of a double decker bus, it has to be believed then!

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!? "

There is a simple formula to being a Brexit expert.

Pick a subject, think of a worse case scenario, multiply by ten, shave off 10% to try to make it credible, then shout it from the rooftops very loudly so everyone can hear.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What makes someone an expert who you would listen to ? If it’s not fabsters sharing what they have found out (possibly from experts. Possibly by looking at source data) then who ?

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By *heIcebreakersCouple
over a year ago

Cramlington


"I like experts they prevent planes falling apart mid air.They place satellites in geosynchronous orbits .

I'm sick of the Luddites .Yes you might need to google what one is .

"
you might need to Google luddism too. The luddites were a radical social justice movement who were sophisticated in their analysis and not opposed to technology but to its consequences, in this regard they had much in common with modern anti globalization activists.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Based on many fab posts ....

I don’t listen to experts (as they don’t get it right 100% of the time so therefore can’t be trusted)

I don’t listen to non experts who spend their time educating themselves and trying to understand the nuances.

I listen to my gut, red buses, MPs (as long as they agree with me) and Facebook posts (which will be an echo chamber)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There aren't any brexperts in parliament....what makes you think you'll find any here?!

the term 'brexperts' is under copyright by me btw...

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"I have not seen anyone style themselves as an expert.

What a peculiar thing to say.

What I do see is a wide variety of people bringing some knowledge (or not) from whatever experience they have, or whatever sector of society they work or live in, and mixing that with opinion.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!?

There is a simple formula to being a Brexit expert.

Pick a subject, think of a worse case scenario, multiply by ten, shave off 10% to try to make it credible, then shout it from the rooftops very loudly so everyone can hear. "
Your the expert lol

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Not an expert on Brexit but like to be informed, as someone who will be subjected to the effects of leaving. There are some predictions and comments that appear to be misinformed imo and happy to state my perspective and opinion. Sometimes the impacts in the short and longer-terms appear to be downplayed, often with what appear to be unfounded wishes that everything will come up golden. Many people regard grounded and optimistic outlooks on life as welcome and uplifting - the issue in this forum often seems to be that wishful thinking could have been uplifted by lies, distortion, criminal acts, a biased media and massive amounts of money that have been used to manipulate public opinion, towards leaving the EU.

What the conservative party didn't create were 1. a conservative party cohesive agreement upon what they wanted from negotiations so they (avoidably) argued away almost 2 years, instead of just negotiating towards achieving their aims and 2. a clear understanding (and plan), that defined what leaving the EU would mean.

These elements would have allowed everyone involved to have a clear grasp upon what the various exit options would mean, including broader economic, aviation and other sector analyis, as well as how all of the variety of steps needed to complete an exit would be effected.

We're a few days away from a potential departure and a hard brexit would appear to entail massive amounts of legislative changes just in the UK. With a robust and accurate plan, from the start, it would have been apparent to all just what was involved and it would mean. We didn't get that as it was the extremists who were pushing the conservative party to ensure that the public were largely ignorant (that includes me, as well as the rest of the public).

I see nothing wrong with the public being informed and understanding what would be involved and especially to gain an fuller understanding of what we were potentially undertaking. Still not an expert of course, there's much more to be learned by everyone.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!? "

Are we as people allowed to quote people who you would consider titans of industry... like the ceo of airbus, or the car manufacturers... and in the last hours the supermarket bosses

You should read the supermarket bosses one.. pretty scathing! At what point will people listen to said titans of industries?

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!?

Are we as people allowed to quote people who you would consider titans of industry... like the ceo of airbus, or the car manufacturers... and in the last hours the supermarket bosses

You should read the supermarket bosses one.. pretty scathing! At what point will people listen to said titans of industries? "

Who needs experts?

The potential impact to food supplies was covered in a House of Lords report last year. It was ignored. This latest intervention says exactly the same: a No Deal will be a disaster, yet people will choose to label it Project fear. Reading comments on the BBC website was illuminating. Apparently we survived just fine with rationing during and after the war....it'll all be hunky dory. That is the idiocy with which we are faced

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Such is the self-pity endemic today in England. It’s almost as if people need to feel like they are victims being oppressed by some evil empire (no, not satire).

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex


"Such is the self-pity endemic today in England. It’s almost as if people need to feel like they are victims being oppressed by some evil empire (no, not satire)."

When you have that fat plank Mark Francois ranting about the Germans and tearing up statements from Airbus UK on tv, you know that you've reached rock bottom in terms of respectful debate

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By *uck-RogersMan
over a year ago

Tarka trail

Adge Cutler wasn't a luddite. A he had a brand new combine harvester.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't know about any experts on here but one things for sure...

There's common sense & facts which should generally in many cases go hand in hand if the person is willing to look at scenarios with an unbiased open mind.

Many on here do not though.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"Such is the self-pity endemic today in England. It’s almost as if people need to feel like they are victims being oppressed by some evil empire (no, not satire).

When you have that fat plank Mark Francois ranting about the Germans and tearing up statements from Airbus UK on tv, you know that you've reached rock bottom in terms of respectful debate"

How often do you hear the Brextremists invoke Dunkirk?

Thing is, Dunkirk was an epic failure, a reckless misadventure ordered by a Government completely ill-prepared.

Yet it is remembered as some great triumph of the plucky British bulldog over Johnny Foreigner.

Brexit is heading the same way.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!?

Are we as people allowed to quote people who you would consider titans of industry... like the ceo of airbus, or the car manufacturers... and in the last hours the supermarket bosses

You should read the supermarket bosses one.. pretty scathing! At what point will people listen to said titans of industries?

Who needs experts?

The potential impact to food supplies was covered in a House of Lords report last year. It was ignored. This latest intervention says exactly the same: a No Deal will be a disaster, yet people will choose to label it Project fear. Reading comments on the BBC website was illuminating. Apparently we survived just fine with rationing during and after the war....it'll all be hunky dory. That is the idiocy with which we are faced "

I’ll have to point you in the direction of betfair and paddy power... they have betting markets on which commodity will end up being rationed first...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

How often do you hear the Brextremists invoke Dunkirk?

Thing is, Dunkirk was an epic failure, a reckless misadventure ordered by a Government completely ill-prepared.

Yet it is remembered as some great triumph of the plucky British bulldog over Johnny Foreigner.

Brexit is heading the same way."

Hmmm...

My thought's exactly.

Dunkirk was a catastrophe carved out from total failure and destruction.

Is that really what leavers mean Brexit to be?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

And then you hear: “Oh, we survived the blitz, we can survive this.”

Really? I don’t remember seeing that on the ballot paper. Vote here for deprivation and rationing.

FFS

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex


"Such is the self-pity endemic today in England. It’s almost as if people need to feel like they are victims being oppressed by some evil empire (no, not satire).

When you have that fat plank Mark Francois ranting about the Germans and tearing up statements from Airbus UK on tv, you know that you've reached rock bottom in terms of respectful debate

How often do you hear the Brextremists invoke Dunkirk?

Thing is, Dunkirk was an epic failure, a reckless misadventure ordered by a Government completely ill-prepared.

Yet it is remembered as some great triumph of the plucky British bulldog over Johnny Foreigner.

Brexit is heading the same way."

It's embarrassing at best.

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex


"And then you hear: “Oh, we survived the blitz, we can survive this.”

Really? I don’t remember seeing that on the ballot paper. Vote here for deprivation and rationing.

FFS"

It's the epitome of intellectual and moral bankruptcy. Let's forget rational argument and invoke the heroism of WW2

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!?

Are we as people allowed to quote people who you would consider titans of industry... like the ceo of airbus, or the car manufacturers... and in the last hours the supermarket bosses

You should read the supermarket bosses one.. pretty scathing! At what point will people listen to said titans of industries? "

Brexiters are, we're just listening to different ones. Like the ceo of JCB, Rocco Forte hotels and McLaren cars. McLaren had their best ever year for sales in 2018, and are now looking to create an additional 800 new jobs, for research and development, additional car dealerships and new showrooms, although you won't hear any if this from the doom mongers you like to surround yourself with or in your remain Facebook echo chamber.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!? "
spot on agree woth every thing you say can’t beat a good old armchair plastic expert tho lol

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!?

Are we as people allowed to quote people who you would consider titans of industry... like the ceo of airbus, or the car manufacturers... and in the last hours the supermarket bosses

You should read the supermarket bosses one.. pretty scathing! At what point will people listen to said titans of industries?

Who needs experts?

The potential impact to food supplies was covered in a House of Lords report last year. It was ignored. This latest intervention says exactly the same: a No Deal will be a disaster, yet people will choose to label it Project fear. Reading comments on the BBC website was illuminating. Apparently we survived just fine with rationing during and after the war....it'll all be hunky dory. That is the idiocy with which we are faced "

First mention of the war on the thread and it comes from a remainer again, surprise surprise.

And if you're going to listen to House of Lords reports, how about the one which said if the UK leaves the EU without a deal then legally we're not obliged to pay the EU a single penny, certainly not a £39 billion divorce bill. Or did you ignore that one?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!?

Are we as people allowed to quote people who you would consider titans of industry... like the ceo of airbus, or the car manufacturers... and in the last hours the supermarket bosses

You should read the supermarket bosses one.. pretty scathing! At what point will people listen to said titans of industries?

Who needs experts?

The potential impact to food supplies was covered in a House of Lords report last year. It was ignored. This latest intervention says exactly the same: a No Deal will be a disaster, yet people will choose to label it Project fear. Reading comments on the BBC website was illuminating. Apparently we survived just fine with rationing during and after the war....it'll all be hunky dory. That is the idiocy with which we are faced

I’ll have to point you in the direction of betfair and paddy power... they have betting markets on which commodity will end up being rationed first... "

Pretty sure betfair and paddy power also had Remain as odds on favourite to win the EU referendum, and Clinton as odds on favourite to win the USA presidential election. The bookies don't always get it right.

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By *laytimenowMan
over a year ago

Essex

A Brexit Expert is someone who knows that which ever side you voted for , Is that the bottom line is, if you earn less than 35k a year you are F*cked !!

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I like experts they prevent planes falling apart mid air.They place satellites in geosynchronous orbits .

I'm sick of the Luddites .Yes you might need to google what one is .

you might need to Google luddism too. The luddites were a radical social justice movement who were sophisticated in their analysis and not opposed to technology but to its consequences, in this regard they had much in common with modern anti globalization activists."

Yeah I'm in favour of one world global governance.Globalisation is a necessity.

They can smash up machines all they want .Automisation is coming and AI. .Disruptive technologies are progressive and necessary.

Onwards upwards!

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!?

Are we as people allowed to quote people who you would consider titans of industry... like the ceo of airbus, or the car manufacturers... and in the last hours the supermarket bosses

You should read the supermarket bosses one.. pretty scathing! At what point will people listen to said titans of industries?

Who needs experts?

The potential impact to food supplies was covered in a House of Lords report last year. It was ignored. This latest intervention says exactly the same: a No Deal will be a disaster, yet people will choose to label it Project fear. Reading comments on the BBC website was illuminating. Apparently we survived just fine with rationing during and after the war....it'll all be hunky dory. That is the idiocy with which we are faced "
Do you really think the growers of these products are not worried that they will not be able to sell their stuff.Do you not think that they will be putting pressure on their governments to get something sorted out.Who loses out the most the person who cant get fresh tomatoes and lettuce for a while or the guy who has his product rotting,losing income and probably laying people off? I just wish you remainers would look at the whole picture instead of just the negatives for the uk.There is a negative both ways and thats what these people are paid for to sort it out so everyone wins.I know who i would rather be the guy who cant buy it rather than the guy who has spent time and money growing it and cant sell it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Brexiters are, we're just listening to different ones. Like the ceo of JCB, Rocco Forte hotels and McLaren cars. McLaren had their best ever year for sales in 2018, and are now looking to create an additional 800 new jobs, for research and development, additional car dealerships and new showrooms, although you won't hear any if this from the doom mongers you like to surround yourself with or in your remain Facebook echo chamber. "

You / leavers only listen to companies that have little to no exposure to any effects of Brexit.

The rest of us listen to all aspects of manufacturing & industry and the vast majority are saying Brexit, especially a no deal Brexit will be bad for business and jobs.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Sovereignty, eh?

Good luck trying to eat your new blue passports.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Well it appears if u pull people's plonkers it's now called trolling...what crap ....even for here

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By *rMrsWestMids OP   Couple
over a year ago

Dudley


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!?

Are we as people allowed to quote people who you would consider titans of industry... like the ceo of airbus, or the car manufacturers... and in the last hours the supermarket bosses

You should read the supermarket bosses one.. pretty scathing! At what point will people listen to said titans of industries?

Who needs experts?

The potential impact to food supplies was covered in a House of Lords report last year. It was ignored. This latest intervention says exactly the same: a No Deal will be a disaster, yet people will choose to label it Project fear. Reading comments on the BBC website was illuminating. Apparently we survived just fine with rationing during and after the war....it'll all be hunky dory. That is the idiocy with which we are faced Do you really think the growers of these products are not worried that they will not be able to sell their stuff.Do you not think that they will be putting pressure on their governments to get something sorted out.Who loses out the most the person who cant get fresh tomatoes and lettuce for a while or the guy who has his product rotting,losing income and probably laying people off? I just wish you remainers would look at the whole picture instead of just the negatives for the uk.There is a negative both ways and thats what these people are paid for to sort it out so everyone wins.I know who i would rather be the guy who cant buy it rather than the guy who has spent time and money growing it and cant sell it."

My thoughts exactly, no Brits in the hotels because we can't fly, no fresh fruit and salad because they can't transport it here, what will they do with all the extra capacity!? Common sense will prevail despite what many on here would have us believe!

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By *rMrsWestMids OP   Couple
over a year ago

Dudley


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!? spot on agree woth every thing you say can’t beat a good old armchair plastic expert tho lol"

I bet a few fell out of their chairs when they read the opening post!Lol

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!? spot on agree woth every thing you say can’t beat a good old armchair plastic expert tho lol

I bet a few fell out of their chairs when they read the opening post!Lol"
Yeah it made me laugh too.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Nothing to do with common sense and everything to do with red tape.

You know, that stuff they told you that you could get rid of by voting Leave?

Well, you voted for a tsunami of the stuff.

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By *rMrsWestMids OP   Couple
over a year ago

Dudley


"Nothing to do with common sense and everything to do with red tape.

You know, that stuff they told you that you could get rid of by voting Leave?

Well, you voted for a tsunami of the stuff."

You do love your drama, earlier it was the war now it's a tsunami! Can't be good for the blood pressure or the fag supplies!

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Nothing to do with common sense and everything to do with red tape.

You know, that stuff they told you that you could get rid of by voting Leave?

Well, you voted for a tsunami of the stuff."
Right so you agree then the eu is all about its rules and not its people?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!?

Are we as people allowed to quote people who you would consider titans of industry... like the ceo of airbus, or the car manufacturers... and in the last hours the supermarket bosses

You should read the supermarket bosses one.. pretty scathing! At what point will people listen to said titans of industries?

Who needs experts?

The potential impact to food supplies was covered in a House of Lords report last year. It was ignored. This latest intervention says exactly the same: a No Deal will be a disaster, yet people will choose to label it Project fear. Reading comments on the BBC website was illuminating. Apparently we survived just fine with rationing during and after the war....it'll all be hunky dory. That is the idiocy with which we are faced Do you really think the growers of these products are not worried that they will not be able to sell their stuff.Do you not think that they will be putting pressure on their governments to get something sorted out.Who loses out the most the person who cant get fresh tomatoes and lettuce for a while or the guy who has his product rotting,losing income and probably laying people off? I just wish you remainers would look at the whole picture instead of just the negatives for the uk.There is a negative both ways and thats what these people are paid for to sort it out so everyone wins.I know who i would rather be the guy who cant buy it rather than the guy who has spent time and money growing it and cant sell it.

My thoughts exactly, no Brits in the hotels because we can't fly, no fresh fruit and salad because they can't transport it here, what will they do with all the extra capacity!? Common sense will prevail despite what many on here would have us believe!"

Exactly. Just saw a UK wine producer speaking on BBC news at 6. He said he's not scared of a no deal brexit and would relish the challenge. Fewer foreign wines on UK shelves opens up the market for UK producers like him, and he said its UK businesses like his which will look to expand and exploit gaps in the market to fill the empty spaces on supermarket shelves. I'd be more worried as an EU business looking at falling share of their UK trade.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Nothing to do with common sense and everything to do with red tape.

You know, that stuff they told you that you could get rid of by voting Leave?

Well, you voted for a tsunami of the stuff.

You do love your drama, earlier it was the war now it's a tsunami! Can't be good for the blood pressure or the fag supplies!"
It will be plagues of locust next before the famine and us all having to eat our passports.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well it appears if u pull people's plonkers it's now called trolling...what crap ....even for here "

Generally when you troll/wind up, you don’t believe in your position ... good to know you’re really a remainer

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By *rMrsWestMids OP   Couple
over a year ago

Dudley


"Nothing to do with common sense and everything to do with red tape.

You know, that stuff they told you that you could get rid of by voting Leave?

Well, you voted for a tsunami of the stuff.

You do love your drama, earlier it was the war now it's a tsunami! Can't be good for the blood pressure or the fag supplies!It will be plagues of locust next before the famine and us all having to eat our passports. "

Blue passports taste better I will have you know!

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"Nothing to do with common sense and everything to do with red tape.

You know, that stuff they told you that you could get rid of by voting Leave?

Well, you voted for a tsunami of the stuff.Right so you agree then the eu is all about its rules and not its people?"

Not sure I understand this.

The creation of the single market removed the barriers - the red tape - that existed between different jurisdictions.

Unless there is a business continuity agreement, those barriers return.

The barriers to people, to goods, to services and capital.

That is nothing to do with the EU and everything to do with the UK. It is what you voted for.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!?

Are we as people allowed to quote people who you would consider titans of industry... like the ceo of airbus, or the car manufacturers... and in the last hours the supermarket bosses

You should read the supermarket bosses one.. pretty scathing! At what point will people listen to said titans of industries?

Who needs experts?

The potential impact to food supplies was covered in a House of Lords report last year. It was ignored. This latest intervention says exactly the same: a No Deal will be a disaster, yet people will choose to label it Project fear. Reading comments on the BBC website was illuminating. Apparently we survived just fine with rationing during and after the war....it'll all be hunky dory. That is the idiocy with which we are faced Do you really think the growers of these products are not worried that they will not be able to sell their stuff.Do you not think that they will be putting pressure on their governments to get something sorted out.Who loses out the most the person who cant get fresh tomatoes and lettuce for a while or the guy who has his product rotting,losing income and probably laying people off? I just wish you remainers would look at the whole picture instead of just the negatives for the uk.There is a negative both ways and thats what these people are paid for to sort it out so everyone wins.I know who i would rather be the guy who cant buy it rather than the guy who has spent time and money growing it and cant sell it.

My thoughts exactly, no Brits in the hotels because we can't fly, no fresh fruit and salad because they can't transport it here, what will they do with all the extra capacity!? Common sense will prevail despite what many on here would have us believe!

Exactly. Just saw a UK wine producer speaking on BBC news at 6. He said he's not scared of a no deal brexit and would relish the challenge. Fewer foreign wines on UK shelves opens up the market for UK producers like him, and he said its UK businesses like his which will look to expand and exploit gaps in the market to fill the empty spaces on supermarket shelves. I'd be more worried as an EU business looking at falling share of their UK trade. "

Not being an expert on wine but if his product was good it would not matter what was next to it now..

It would sell..

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By *rMrsWestMids OP   Couple
over a year ago

Dudley


"Nothing to do with common sense and everything to do with red tape.

You know, that stuff they told you that you could get rid of by voting Leave?

Well, you voted for a tsunami of the stuff.

You do love your drama, earlier it was the war now it's a tsunami! Can't be good for the blood pressure or the fag supplies!It will be plagues of locust next before the famine and us all having to eat our passports.

Blue passports taste better I will have you know!"

Just remembered all the blue passports will be stuck somewhere on route so no tasty blue passports for us, at least we will be able to cancel the contract with the French firm supplying them as they failed to deliver on time!Lol

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

NOTHING makes me an expert on brexit ,, BUT what I was expecting was for our conservative government to be the experts and the day after the referendum for them to announce to the country what plans were in place following the leave result ,,, absolute inept incompetence that they still have no idea ,,, I can imagine that leave , remain and don't knows , find it difficult to argue with how incompetent they have been

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By *rMrsWestMids OP   Couple
over a year ago

Dudley


"NOTHING makes me an expert on brexit ,, BUT what I was expecting was for our conservative government to be the experts and the day after the referendum for them to announce to the country what plans were in place following the leave result ,,, absolute inept incompetence that they still have no idea ,,, I can imagine that leave , remain and don't knows , find it difficult to argue with how incompetent they have been"

Can't argue with that, a lot of it comes down to the fact they don't want to do it despite what was said.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"NOTHING makes me an expert on brexit ,, BUT what I was expecting was for our conservative government to be the experts and the day after the referendum for them to announce to the country what plans were in place following the leave result ,,, absolute inept incompetence that they still have no idea ,,, I can imagine that leave , remain and don't knows , find it difficult to argue with how incompetent they have been

Can't argue with that, a lot of it comes down to the fact they don't want to do it despite what was said. "

Yup, and that no one not even the likes of Farage thought the vote would go the way it did..

Which shows how out of touch the then Pm was that after years of austerity, a lack of investment in many areas and the people, globalisation moving jobs to cheaper areas of the world etc the time was ripe for a kicking to be given..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"NOTHING makes me an expert on brexit ,, BUT what I was expecting was for our conservative government to be the experts and the day after the referendum for them to announce to the country what plans were in place following the leave result ,,, absolute inept incompetence that they still have no idea ,,, I can imagine that leave , remain and don't knows , find it difficult to argue with how incompetent they have been

Can't argue with that, a lot of it comes down to the fact they don't want to do it despite what was said.

Yup, and that no one not even the likes of Farage thought the vote would go the way it did..

Which shows how out of touch the then Pm was that after years of austerity, a lack of investment in many areas and the people, globalisation moving jobs to cheaper areas of the world etc the time was ripe for a kicking to be given.. "

Other than the “jobs” but, none of that was because of the EU.

And there’s a certain naivety that any government would have a plan of what brexit would look like, even one which was pro leave. As we have seen, it’s not something you can draw up in months.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"NOTHING makes me an expert on brexit ,, BUT what I was expecting was for our conservative government to be the experts and the day after the referendum for them to announce to the country what plans were in place following the leave result ,,, absolute inept incompetence that they still have no idea ,,, I can imagine that leave , remain and don't knows , find it difficult to argue with how incompetent they have been

Can't argue with that, a lot of it comes down to the fact they don't want to do it despite what was said.

Yup, and that no one not even the likes of Farage thought the vote would go the way it did..

Which shows how out of touch the then Pm was that after years of austerity, a lack of investment in many areas and the people, globalisation moving jobs to cheaper areas of the world etc the time was ripe for a kicking to be given..

Other than the “jobs” but, none of that was because of the EU.

And there’s a certain naivety that any government would have a plan of what brexit would look like, even one which was pro leave. As we have seen, it’s not something you can draw up in months. "

Agreed..

A complete shambles..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"NOTHING makes me an expert on brexit ,, BUT what I was expecting was for our conservative government to be the experts and the day after the referendum for them to announce to the country what plans were in place following the leave result ,,, absolute inept incompetence that they still have no idea ,,, I can imagine that leave , remain and don't knows , find it difficult to argue with how incompetent they have been"

Yeah of course they were incompetent. But if we’re being honest, did anyone think otherwise.

As soon as the leave vote came through, went straight to a lose/lose situation.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!?

Are we as people allowed to quote people who you would consider titans of industry... like the ceo of airbus, or the car manufacturers... and in the last hours the supermarket bosses

You should read the supermarket bosses one.. pretty scathing! At what point will people listen to said titans of industries? "
It is a brilliant plan to boost sales,stock up with loads of goods sell out count the money fill shelves a few days later.

It is clear your not a business man,I worked in marketing for many years,these compsnies are taking the piss and loads of money.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!?

Are we as people allowed to quote people who you would consider titans of industry... like the ceo of airbus, or the car manufacturers... and in the last hours the supermarket bosses

You should read the supermarket bosses one.. pretty scathing! At what point will people listen to said titans of industries?

Who needs experts?

The potential impact to food supplies was covered in a House of Lords report last year. It was ignored. This latest intervention says exactly the same: a No Deal will be a disaster, yet people will choose to label it Project fear. Reading comments on the BBC website was illuminating. Apparently we survived just fine with rationing during and after the war....it'll all be hunky dory. That is the idiocy with which we are faced Do you really think the growers of these products are not worried that they will not be able to sell their stuff.Do you not think that they will be putting pressure on their governments to get something sorted out.Who loses out the most the person who cant get fresh tomatoes and lettuce for a while or the guy who has his product rotting,losing income and probably laying people off? I just wish you remainers would look at the whole picture instead of just the negatives for the uk.There is a negative both ways and thats what these people are paid for to sort it out so everyone wins.I know who i would rather be the guy who cant buy it rather than the guy who has spent time and money growing it and cant sell it.

My thoughts exactly, no Brits in the hotels because we can't fly, no fresh fruit and salad because they can't transport it here, what will they do with all the extra capacity!? Common sense will prevail despite what many on here would have us believe!

Exactly. Just saw a UK wine producer speaking on BBC news at 6. He said he's not scared of a no deal brexit and would relish the challenge. Fewer foreign wines on UK shelves opens up the market for UK producers like him, and he said its UK businesses like his which will look to expand and exploit gaps in the market to fill the empty spaces on supermarket shelves. I'd be more worried as an EU business looking at falling share of their UK trade. "

Yeah, that’s great Centy. But what if y’know you actually like being able to select from a nice diverse selection of wines?

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!?

Are we as people allowed to quote people who you would consider titans of industry... like the ceo of airbus, or the car manufacturers... and in the last hours the supermarket bosses

You should read the supermarket bosses one.. pretty scathing! At what point will people listen to said titans of industries?

Who needs experts?

The potential impact to food supplies was covered in a House of Lords report last year. It was ignored. This latest intervention says exactly the same: a No Deal will be a disaster, yet people will choose to label it Project fear. Reading comments on the BBC website was illuminating. Apparently we survived just fine with rationing during and after the war....it'll all be hunky dory. That is the idiocy with which we are faced Do you really think the growers of these products are not worried that they will not be able to sell their stuff.Do you not think that they will be putting pressure on their governments to get something sorted out.Who loses out the most the person who cant get fresh tomatoes and lettuce for a while or the guy who has his product rotting,losing income and probably laying people off? I just wish you remainers would look at the whole picture instead of just the negatives for the uk.There is a negative both ways and thats what these people are paid for to sort it out so everyone wins.I know who i would rather be the guy who cant buy it rather than the guy who has spent time and money growing it and cant sell it.

My thoughts exactly, no Brits in the hotels because we can't fly, no fresh fruit and salad because they can't transport it here, what will they do with all the extra capacity!? Common sense will prevail despite what many on here would have us believe!

Exactly. Just saw a UK wine producer speaking on BBC news at 6. He said he's not scared of a no deal brexit and would relish the challenge. Fewer foreign wines on UK shelves opens up the market for UK producers like him, and he said its UK businesses like his which will look to expand and exploit gaps in the market to fill the empty spaces on supermarket shelves. I'd be more worried as an EU business looking at falling share of their UK trade.

Yeah, that’s great Centy. But what if y’know you actually like being able to select from a nice diverse selection of wines?

-Matt"
Let them eat cake.

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!?

Are we as people allowed to quote people who you would consider titans of industry... like the ceo of airbus, or the car manufacturers... and in the last hours the supermarket bosses

You should read the supermarket bosses one.. pretty scathing! At what point will people listen to said titans of industries?

Who needs experts?

The potential impact to food supplies was covered in a House of Lords report last year. It was ignored. This latest intervention says exactly the same: a No Deal will be a disaster, yet people will choose to label it Project fear. Reading comments on the BBC website was illuminating. Apparently we survived just fine with rationing during and after the war....it'll all be hunky dory. That is the idiocy with which we are faced

First mention of the war on the thread and it comes from a remainer again, surprise surprise.

And if you're going to listen to House of Lords reports, how about the one which said if the UK leaves the EU without a deal then legally we're not obliged to pay the EU a single penny, certainly not a £39 billion divorce bill. Or did you ignore that one? "

You're going to have to try harder than that....

Are you saying that we can be self sufficient in food? (Remember we havent been self sufficient food wise for over 100 years) I know the HoL Report quoted experts, so obviously the logical response is to call it Project Fear. I'm only suprised that you haven't invoked the Blessed House of Wetherspoons, purveyors of the finest wines, spirits and beers from anywhere but the EU.

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!?

Are we as people allowed to quote people who you would consider titans of industry... like the ceo of airbus, or the car manufacturers... and in the last hours the supermarket bosses

You should read the supermarket bosses one.. pretty scathing! At what point will people listen to said titans of industries? It is a brilliant plan to boost sales,stock up with loads of goods sell out count the money fill shelves a few days later.

It is clear your not a business man,I worked in marketing for many years,these compsnies are taking the piss and loads of money."

These companies are spending vast amounts of money on stockpiling goods. It's clear that your years in the marketing department meant that you didnt look at the costs and cashflow implications associated with having to obtain stock, find warehousing, access cold storage etc. If they didnt think that there were significant risks involved, they wouldnt be spending money which they didnt have to. The effect of that expenditure is either reduced profits or higher costs to the consumer: that's how business works.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!?

Are we as people allowed to quote people who you would consider titans of industry... like the ceo of airbus, or the car manufacturers... and in the last hours the supermarket bosses

You should read the supermarket bosses one.. pretty scathing! At what point will people listen to said titans of industries? It is a brilliant plan to boost sales,stock up with loads of goods sell out count the money fill shelves a few days later.

It is clear your not a business man,I worked in marketing for many years,these compsnies are taking the piss and loads of money.

These companies are spending vast amounts of money on stockpiling goods. It's clear that your years in the marketing department meant that you didnt look at the costs and cashflow implications associated with having to obtain stock, find warehousing, access cold storage etc. If they didnt think that there were significant risks involved, they wouldnt be spending money which they didnt have to. The effect of that expenditure is either reduced profits or higher costs to the consumer: that's how business works."

Marketing ploy? If anyone’s response to someone saying you can’t stockpile fresh food as it’s perishable, is then stockpile fresh food ... they shouldn’t be allowed out as they are a danger to themselves!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!?

Are we as people allowed to quote people who you would consider titans of industry... like the ceo of airbus, or the car manufacturers... and in the last hours the supermarket bosses

You should read the supermarket bosses one.. pretty scathing! At what point will people listen to said titans of industries?

Who needs experts?

The potential impact to food supplies was covered in a House of Lords report last year. It was ignored. This latest intervention says exactly the same: a No Deal will be a disaster, yet people will choose to label it Project fear. Reading comments on the BBC website was illuminating. Apparently we survived just fine with rationing during and after the war....it'll all be hunky dory. That is the idiocy with which we are faced

First mention of the war on the thread and it comes from a remainer again, surprise surprise.

And if you're going to listen to House of Lords reports, how about the one which said if the UK leaves the EU without a deal then legally we're not obliged to pay the EU a single penny, certainly not a £39 billion divorce bill. Or did you ignore that one? "

You have to be carefull with your statement here. It reads too much like fact. Whereas the HOL legal opinion itself admitted themselves there are competing interpretations.

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By *sianMancMan
over a year ago

Manchester


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!? "

I'm no expert and I don't write much on the forum buy I have maintained to all before during and after the referendum that we won't be leaving and I still see that happening.

No matter what course we finally take the final outcome will be us returning back to Europe.

You heard it here first.

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry

I would argue find me a expert on Brexit and I'll find you a donkey that talks. I've not seen one average Joe on the street, journalist or politician who seems to have a grasp on Brexit, its effect or a plan. I dont think anyone has the foggiest. The only people who have a plan with any certainty is those who can tell you what would happen if we remain.

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By *heIcebreakersCouple
over a year ago

Cramlington


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!?

Are we as people allowed to quote people who you would consider titans of industry... like the ceo of airbus, or the car manufacturers... and in the last hours the supermarket bosses

You should read the supermarket bosses one.. pretty scathing! At what point will people listen to said titans of industries?

Brexiters are, we're just listening to different ones. Like the ceo of JCB, Rocco Forte hotels and McLaren cars. McLaren had their best ever year for sales in 2018, and are now looking to create an additional 800 new jobs, for research and development, additional car dealerships and new showrooms, although you won't hear any if this from the doom mongers you like to surround yourself with or in your remain Facebook echo chamber. "
Given that the majority of JCBs factories are outside the EU (in china, india, brazil and so on) you can understand why they don't care for the EU and its rules. The rest of us, unlike JCB, have to live here (and pay our taxes here, unlike JCB who are fond of their offshore trsuts_.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!?

Are we as people allowed to quote people who you would consider titans of industry... like the ceo of airbus, or the car manufacturers... and in the last hours the supermarket bosses

You should read the supermarket bosses one.. pretty scathing! At what point will people listen to said titans of industries?

Brexiters are, we're just listening to different ones. Like the ceo of JCB, Rocco Forte hotels and McLaren cars. McLaren had their best ever year for sales in 2018, and are now looking to create an additional 800 new jobs, for research and development, additional car dealerships and new showrooms, although you won't hear any if this from the doom mongers you like to surround yourself with or in your remain Facebook echo chamber. Given that the majority of JCBs factories are outside the EU (in china, india, brazil and so on) you can understand why they don't care for the EU and its rules. The rest of us, unlike JCB, have to live here (and pay our taxes here, unlike JCB who are fond of their offshore trsuts_."

That would be McClaten, who said we should listen to car manufacturers concerns and not dismiss as project fear.

I’m also not suprised they are doing okay. They export most their cars (weak pound Ftw) and high end cars will be more immune to tarriffs than most (because their customers can afford price increases and are less price sensitive)

Nobody said there would be no brexit winners tho. It’s the balance of voices that’s relevant.

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By *rMrsWestMids OP   Couple
over a year ago

Dudley


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!? "

The consensus on this thread is that there is no such thing as a Brexit Expert yet the Fab Brexit Experts are back out in force on various other threads!

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!?

The consensus on this thread is that there is no such thing as a Brexit Expert yet the Fab Brexit Experts are back out in force on various other threads! "

You dont need to be an expert to have a view....look at those morons in the ERG and the Cabinet. Theyve little or no expertise on anything other than self preservation and expense fiddling

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!?

The consensus on this thread is that there is no such thing as a Brexit Expert yet the Fab Brexit Experts are back out in force on various other threads!

You dont need to be an expert to have a view....look at those morons in the ERG and the Cabinet. Theyve little or no expertise on anything other than self preservation and expense fiddling"

The brexiters will happily suckle at the titty of moggy and boris for their posh boy Etonian expert opinions.Then moan like fuck about experts..Sad as fuck or what..

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By *rMrsWestMids OP   Couple
over a year ago

Dudley


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!?

The consensus on this thread is that there is no such thing as a Brexit Expert yet the Fab Brexit Experts are back out in force on various other threads!

You dont need to be an expert to have a view....look at those morons in the ERG and the Cabinet. Theyve little or no expertise on anything other than self preservation and expense fiddling

The brexiters will happily suckle at the titty of moggy and boris for their posh boy Etonian expert opinions.Then moan like fuck about experts..Sad as fuck or what.. "

More insights from the world of Bob!Lol

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By *htcMan
over a year ago

MK

and what makes the remainers such a expert on the britexit topic. nothing but fake storys from them

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex


"and what makes the remainers such a expert on the britexit topic. nothing but fake storys from them"

Conversely, any cogent argument meets with a dead eyed look and an ill informed "it's fake news" response from the Brextremists.

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!?

The consensus on this thread is that there is no such thing as a Brexit Expert yet the Fab Brexit Experts are back out in force on various other threads!

You dont need to be an expert to have a view....look at those morons in the ERG and the Cabinet. Theyve little or no expertise on anything other than self preservation and expense fiddling

The brexiters will happily suckle at the titty of moggy and boris for their posh boy Etonian expert opinions.Then moan like fuck about experts..Sad as fuck or what.. "

Worshipping at the altar of the privileged yet gormless, chinless wonders isnt a good look IMO. It's mind boggling

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!?

The consensus on this thread is that there is no such thing as a Brexit Expert yet the Fab Brexit Experts are back out in force on various other threads!

You dont need to be an expert to have a view....look at those morons in the ERG and the Cabinet. Theyve little or no expertise on anything other than self preservation and expense fiddling"

Expense fiddling, quite a few Labour MP's were found guilty of that as I recall.

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!?

The consensus on this thread is that there is no such thing as a Brexit Expert yet the Fab Brexit Experts are back out in force on various other threads!

You dont need to be an expert to have a view....look at those morons in the ERG and the Cabinet. Theyve little or no expertise on anything other than self preservation and expense fiddling

Expense fiddling, quite a few Labour MP's were found guilty of that as I recall. "

No-one managed it on the scale of your hero Farage though did they eh?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


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No matter what course we finally take the final outcome will be us returning back to Europe.

You heard it here first."

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By *rMrsWestMids OP   Couple
over a year ago

Dudley


"

No matter what course we finally take the final outcome will be us returning back to Europe.

You heard it here first.

"

Will be back for a holiday in July and then again in August, LOL!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What an obviously pointless thread made by someone who simply doesn’t like their bullshit being called.

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By *ky19Man
over a year ago

Plymouth

Nope, this is probably a weaker area for me.

I have a little understanding about the EU though and what is being planned i.e. a superstate with it's own army. IMO it just seems slightly... Third Reich to me, a little too totalitarian.

No wonder they're so enraged with the referendum result...

I also don't like the EU building!

I already knew what kind of things those pricks are into behind closed doors but when I see something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKJ6pCQ_Jgc

I'm like, yeah lets get out of there. Satanic freaks... smh

Doom and gloom narratives from the media are also to be taken with a pinch of salt IMO. They are underestimating the UK.

I really do only want what's best, like most other people do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nope, this is probably a weaker area for me.

I have a little understanding about the EU though and what is being planned i.e. a superstate with it's own army. IMO it just seems slightly... Third Reich to me, a little too totalitarian.

No wonder they're so enraged with the referendum result...

I also don't like the EU building!

I already knew what kind of things those pricks are into behind closed doors but when I see something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKJ6pCQ_Jgc

I'm like, yeah lets get out of there. Satanic freaks... smh

Doom and gloom narratives from the media are also to be taken with a pinch of salt IMO. They are underestimating the UK.

I really do only want what's best, like most other people do."

Actually they just want us to go - they would prefer a sensible break, but they have had enough of Brexit!

With regards as to how well the UK will do is unknown! Neither remain or leave know what the situation will be because its never happened before, but funny how things are being said now, that were never mentioned in the campaign by leave leaders! It was Gove who recently said that he campaigned to leave with a deal! Others are saying it will take years before things get better - 10 -50 years this was never on the side of the bus! Here's to another 10 years of austerity yeah we won!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm by no means an expert but it is in my work remit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nope, this is probably a weaker area for me.

I have a little understanding about the EU though and what is being planned i.e. a superstate with it's own army. IMO it just seems slightly... Third Reich to me, a little too totalitarian.

No wonder they're so enraged with the referendum result...

I also don't like the EU building!

I already knew what kind of things those pricks are into behind closed doors but when I see something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKJ6pCQ_Jgc

I'm like, yeah lets get out of there. Satanic freaks... smh

Doom and gloom narratives from the media are also to be taken with a pinch of salt IMO. They are underestimating the UK.

I really do only want what's best, like most other people do.

Actually they just want us to go - they would prefer a sensible break, but they have had enough of Brexit!

With regards as to how well the UK will do is unknown! Neither remain or leave know what the situation will be because its never happened before, but funny how things are being said now, that were never mentioned in the campaign by leave leaders! It was Gove who recently said that he campaigned to leave with a deal! Others are saying it will take years before things get better - 10 -50 years this was never on the side of the bus! Here's to another 10 years of austerity yeah we won!"

Agreed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nope, this is probably a weaker area for me.

I have a little understanding about the EU though and what is being planned i.e. a superstate with it's own army. IMO it just seems slightly... Third Reich to me, a little too totalitarian.

No wonder they're so enraged with the referendum result...

I also don't like the EU building!

I already knew what kind of things those pricks are into behind closed doors but when I see something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKJ6pCQ_Jgc

I'm like, yeah lets get out of there. Satanic freaks... smh

Doom and gloom narratives from the media are also to be taken with a pinch of salt IMO. They are underestimating the UK.

I really do only want what's best, like most other people do."

Just wanted to point something out here...

“Doom and gloom narratives from the media are also to be taken with a pinch of salt IMO.”

and yet also....

“I have a little understanding about the EU though and what is being planned i.e. a superstate with it's own army. IMO it just seems slightly... Third Reich to me, a little too totalitarian.”

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By *haverMan
over a year ago

bracknell

I am a expert in the topic as i have the ability to talk out of my arse

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!? "
There is no such thing as a brexit expert that is why I slag off the so called experts claiming there will be doom and gloom.

Nobody has ever left the EU so nobody on this planet knows what will happen I voted out,I want out,nothing to do with economic reasons.What will be will be

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!? There is no such thing as a brexit expert that is why I slag off the so called experts claiming there will be doom and gloom.

Nobody has ever left the EU so nobody on this planet knows what will happen I voted out,I want out,nothing to do with economic reasons.What will be will be"

“No one knows what will happen” is such a silly thing to say. We have a very good idea what will happen.

It’s like punching your boss in the face. Might feel good for a moment, and you might not get fired, but almost certainly you will.

Or having unprotected sex with multiple strangers. You might not catch something, but you’re not giving yourself the best chance you could of staying healthy.

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!? There is no such thing as a brexit expert that is why I slag off the so called experts claiming there will be doom and gloom.

Nobody has ever left the EU so nobody on this planet knows what will happen I voted out,I want out,nothing to do with economic reasons.What will be will be"

Of course people know what will happen. Don't you think that the economic and social impacts havent been modelled to death by those who are responsible for this? Fatalism isnt a good look

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!? There is no such thing as a brexit expert that is why I slag off the so called experts claiming there will be doom and gloom.

Nobody has ever left the EU so nobody on this planet knows what will happen I voted out,I want out,nothing to do with economic reasons.What will be will be"

You're correct, there is no such thing as a "Brexit expert" though we do have people who work in economics who are experts in their fields.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!?

There is no such thing as a brexit expert that is why I slag off the so called experts claiming there will be doom and gloom.

Nobody has ever left the EU so nobody on this planet knows what will happen I voted out,I want out,nothing to do with economic reasons.What will be will be"

“There is no such thing as a brexit expert that is why I slag off the so called experts claiming there will be doom and gloom.”

But there are Brexit experts. They are called ‘economists’

Just like a meteorologist makes weather forecasts, so too do economists make financial forecasts.

A meteorologist can be wrong with their forecasts at times, as can an economist be with theirs, however they are generally far more accurate than what you’d get from the public simply guessing - and if a large proportion of these experts predict the same thing, then the forecast becomes more reliable.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"There are many posters on this forum who would have you believe that they are an expert on Brexit, genuine experts have been making predictions since the vote that have proved to be wrong,so what makes these forum experts right!? There is no such thing as a brexit expert that is why I slag off the so called experts claiming there will be doom and gloom.

Nobody has ever left the EU so nobody on this planet knows what will happen I voted out,I want out,nothing to do with economic reasons.What will be will be

Of course people know what will happen. Don't you think that the economic and social impacts havent been modelled to death by those who are responsible for this? Fatalism isnt a good look"
Like these great expert could not forsee the 2008 crash,I did the great experts did not

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By *ovelifelovefuntimesMan
over a year ago

Where ever I lay my hat

I gave a speech following the 2008 crash where I predicted a huge increase in social tension, a rise in nationalism, an EU that would be stretched to breaking point and mass immigration from the middle East and Africa to Europe together with an increasingly isolationist US. But I'm no expert and events of the past 3 years have been incredible. Who knows what is to come. I sense over the coming years the UK will do ok whatever the outcome but the EU will remain under incredible strain as nationalism continues to rise. A deeply uncertain time for future generations after a period of unprecedented peace and relative prosperity. Humans have an innate ability to fuck up don't we.

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