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"A survey commissioned by the Holocaust Memorial Day Trust, published to coincide with Holocaust Memorial Day, finds: - 5 % of UK adults do not believe the Holocaust actually happened - 8 % believe it has been exaggerated - 20 % believe the death toll was less than two million - 45 % don't know how many died Do we have any of the 5-8 % among us who can explain why they think that? Do we put too much emphasis on waving a poppy in the air once a year instead of reminding people what it was actually all about? " Arrange an educational tour of 2/3 of the camps so they can see for themselves? Better still do a virtual reality shower at one of the locations! | |||
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"A survey commissioned by the Holocaust Memorial Day Trust, published to coincide with Holocaust Memorial Day, finds: - 5 % of UK adults do not believe the Holocaust actually happened - 8 % believe it has been exaggerated - 20 % believe the death toll was less than two million - 45 % don't know how many died Do we have any of the 5-8 % among us who can explain why they think that? Do we put too much emphasis on waving a poppy in the air once a year instead of reminding people what it was actually all about? " Your point about to much emphasis on waving a poppy in the air instead of what it is about and why is very very valid,I applaud your post | |||
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"A survey commissioned by the Holocaust Memorial Day Trust, published to coincide with Holocaust Memorial Day, finds: - 5 % of UK adults do not believe the Holocaust actually happened - 8 % believe it has been exaggerated - 20 % believe the death toll was less than two million - 45 % don't know how many died Do we have any of the 5-8 % among us who can explain why they think that? Do we put too much emphasis on waving a poppy in the air once a year instead of reminding people what it was actually all about? Arrange an educational tour of 2/3 of the camps so they can see for themselves? Better still do a virtual reality shower at one of the locations! " A good idea sould be done in all schools | |||
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"Genuinely why? Their is no need to force this as a subject on to children especially young children in schools. It's not appropriate at all these events didn't happen in their life time why is it their responsibility to be educated on the subject? I remember being taught about the Highland Clearances in secondary school have spoken to many younger people since that didn't have a clue what i was talking about? The ciriculum should advance with the times not stop to aknowledge one period in history darker than another especially from a s western perspective. Ive never heard anyone mention The Balfour Decleration the terms set by the US for assistance in WW1 Lord Rothschild insisted control of Palestine be given over to the Jewish Nation the UK obliged and the war was won. Their's also the Napoleonic Wars where Rothschild's family provided funding and weapons to both sides in order to influence and manipulate the post war global economy. I know this reads like a crack pot conspiracy theory so i apologies but i think their's some parts of history we happily ignore and the more mcabre parts are in some cases glorified or used to facilitate other peoples agendas." So quick question. Do you think young people shouldn't be taught about the foundation and evolution of democracy? Or how the British poor won the right to vote? | |||
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"Genuinely why? Their is no need to force this as a subject on to children especially young children in schools. It's not appropriate at all these events didn't happen in their life time why is it their responsibility to be educated on the subject? I remember being taught about the Highland Clearances in secondary school have spoken to many younger people since that didn't have a clue what i was talking about? The ciriculum should advance with the times not stop to aknowledge one period in history darker than another especially from a s western perspective. Ive never heard anyone mention The Balfour Decleration the terms set by the US for assistance in WW1 Lord Rothschild insisted control of Palestine be given over to the Jewish Nation the UK obliged and the war was won. Their's also the Napoleonic Wars where Rothschild's family provided funding and weapons to both sides in order to influence and manipulate the post war global economy. I know this reads like a crack pot conspiracy theory so i apologies but i think their's some parts of history we happily ignore and the more mcabre parts are in some cases glorified or used to facilitate other peoples agendas." It is a crackpot conspiracy, yet you're repeating it. Don't learn about the unpleasant parts of history that teach us that progress is not inevitable? Pretend that we aren't capable of such acts of hatred? Excellent idea. Ostrich-style education 
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" The Balfour Decleration the terms set by the US for assistance in WW1 Lord Rothschild insisted control of Palestine be given over to the Jewish Nation the UK obliged and the war was won. Their's also the Napoleonic Wars where Rothschild's family provided funding and weapons to both sides in order to influence and manipulate the post war global economy. I know this reads like a crack pot conspiracy theory so i apologies but i think their's some parts of history we happily ignore and the more mcabre parts are in some cases glorified or used to facilitate other peoples agendas. So quick question. Do you think young people shouldn't be taught about the foundation and evolution of democracy? Or how the British poor won the right to vote?" Why is the Holocaust being used to represent the evolution of democracy? Also what place does it have in the education of children now in the current political climate? I noticed you ignored the examples ive given you of corrupt goverments and third parties self serving agenda's when its come to any of these major conflicts. It seems people like to cherry pick which parts of history they would prefer to remember and it's this kind of attitude that makes things worse. It makes me sick to think concentration camps in Auschwitz are now essentially dark tourist hot spots 100 euros for a tour with an english speaking tour guide. How is that acceptable to capitilise off the back of mass genocide and what message does that send to a young child at school? | |||
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"A survey commissioned by the Holocaust Memorial Day Trust, published to coincide with Holocaust Memorial Day, finds: - 5 % of UK adults do not believe the Holocaust actually happened - 8 % believe it has been exaggerated - 20 % believe the death toll was less than two million - 45 % don't know how many died Do we have any of the 5-8 % among us who can explain why they think that? Do we put too much emphasis on waving a poppy in the air once a year instead of reminding people what it was actually all about? " When something appears so terrible people don't believe it unless they experienced it. Ignorance is bliss. Some people choose not to believe it. That's rather different. Wilful ignorance is collusion, which takes us back to civilian populations in Germany and the occupied countries. The Dutch were enthusiastic exporters of Jews, enabled by their civilian police. I suspect the UK would have been the same, but we were never tested. Remember we could have been Hitler's ally but for blind luck... | |||
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"Genuinely why? Their is no need to force this as a subject on to children especially young children in schools. It's not appropriate at all these events didn't happen in their life time why is it their responsibility to be educated on the subject? I remember being taught about the Highland Clearances in secondary school have spoken to many younger people since that didn't have a clue what i was talking about? The ciriculum should advance with the times not stop to aknowledge one period in history darker than another especially from a s western perspective. Ive never heard anyone mention The Balfour Decleration the terms set by the US for assistance in WW1 Lord Rothschild insisted control of Palestine be given over to the Jewish Nation the UK obliged and the war was won. Their's also the Napoleonic Wars where Rothschild's family provided funding and weapons to both sides in order to influence and manipulate the post war global economy. I know this reads like a crack pot conspiracy theory so i apologies but i think their's some parts of history we happily ignore and the more mcabre parts are in some cases glorified or used to facilitate other peoples agendas." It seems to me that to fail to recognise and educate people about the significance of such evil is tantamount to the encouragement of holocaust denial, which can only come about as a result of ignorance of events. Please do not tell me that your intention was to encourage through apathy, the concept of holocaust denial? | |||
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"Not suprising when People still do not believe Slavery was a real thing. That British governments allowed A million + People, in 2 countries to starve to death & tried to blame it on famine, when no famine existed. " | |||
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"Easyuk you have completely missed my point i'm not saying burn the history books and pretend it didnt happen im saying why is it more relevant to the evolution of democracy than say the conditions in the Balfour Decleration or like i said the napoleonic wars, the 30 years war, the russian civil war, etc?" I see the point you make . Nobody seemed to notice 2 points i made about genocide in Ireland &India , or the Slave trade. The general point i make is similar to yours , in that it does seem to be the most publicised tragic event in human history. More died at the hands of Stalin But it is never celebrated. We dont remember the massacre in phnom pehn or the abuses dished out in South africa etc. The sooner Human beings accept we are all capable of evil heinous acts the quicker we realise we strive to avoid carrying them out. | |||
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" The Balfour Decleration the terms set by the US for assistance in WW1 Lord Rothschild insisted control of Palestine be given over to the Jewish Nation the UK obliged and the war was won. Their's also the Napoleonic Wars where Rothschild's family provided funding and weapons to both sides in order to influence and manipulate the post war global economy. I know this reads like a crack pot conspiracy theory so i apologies but i think their's some parts of history we happily ignore and the more mcabre parts are in some cases glorified or used to facilitate other peoples agendas. So quick question. Do you think young people shouldn't be taught about the foundation and evolution of democracy? Or how the British poor won the right to vote? Why is the Holocaust being used to represent the evolution of democracy? Also what place does it have in the education of children now in the current political climate? I noticed you ignored the examples ive given you of corrupt goverments and third parties self serving agenda's when its come to any of these major conflicts. It seems people like to cherry pick which parts of history they would prefer to remember and it's this kind of attitude that makes things worse. It makes me sick to think concentration camps in Auschwitz are now essentially dark tourist hot spots 100 euros for a tour with an english speaking tour guide. How is that acceptable to capitilise off the back of mass genocide and what message does that send to a young child at school? " I took issue with this part of your first post: "It's not appropriate at all these events didn't happen in their life time why is it their responsibility to be educated on the subject? " My response is the following, history is linear in correspondence to the natural laws of time and space. Ideally, everyone would learn about every historical event. But that's not possible. Instead we choose to educate people on major historical events in relation to our history. Given that the Holocaust was a major event in the Second world war, which led to the formation of the post war world and it's varying institutions, it's tied to major events. Remember, at Nuremberg the allies prosecuted the remaining Nazi leaders and their allies under international law for the first time. Given that is the foundation of many of our lives it's fairly important. P.s, in relation to many of your others posts I suspect the reason why kids don't get taught about attrocities done by this country is because it becomes political football by the right wing politicians and press. | |||
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"Easyuk you have completely missed my point i'm not saying burn the history books and pretend it didnt happen im saying why is it more relevant to the evolution of democracy than say the conditions in the Balfour Decleration or like i said the napoleonic wars, the 30 years war, the russian civil war, etc? I see the point you make . Nobody seemed to notice 2 points i made about genocide in Ireland &India , or the Slave trade. The general point i make is similar to yours , in that it does seem to be the most publicised tragic event in human history. More died at the hands of Stalin But it is never celebrated. We dont remember the massacre in phnom pehn or the abuses dished out in South africa etc. The sooner Human beings accept we are all capable of evil heinous acts the quicker we realise we strive to avoid carrying them out." Agreed. I mean many orthodox Christians get upset about how poorly understood the Armenian genocide and genocide of the Pontic Greeks is. | |||
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" I took issue with this part of your first post: "It's not appropriate at all these events didn't happen in their life time why is it their responsibility to be educated on the subject? " My response is the following, history is linear in correspondence to the natural laws of time and space. Ideally, everyone would learn about every historical event. But that's not possible. Instead we choose to educate people on major historical events in relation to our history. Given that the Holocaust was a major event in the Second world war, which led to the formation of the post war world and it's varying institutions, it's tied to major events. Remember, at Nuremberg the allies prosecuted the remaining Nazi leaders and their allies under international law for the first time. Given that is the foundation of many of our lives it's fairly important. P.s, in relation to many of your others posts I suspect the reason why kids don't get taught about attrocities done by this country is because it becomes political football by the right wing politicians and press." Again theirs my point not all the facts are made available to these kids i doubt in history class the kids will be taught about the Nazi scientists given asylum in the US and russia after the war? The advancements in medicine due to the disgusting experiments commited in the concentration camps that the US have happily capitalised on ever since and the redistribution of wealth, division of territories and resources. The US takeover of the German pharmaceutical industry. Educate children in all aspects of these attrocities the political spectrums of the time, the terms and conditions of allied support, and finally the economic growth and decay of each country/state involved. I think with that kind of information available children would be able to make a more informed sensible opinion on the matters rather than proud british rhetoric and half a story. | |||
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" I took issue with this part of your first post: "It's not appropriate at all these events didn't happen in their life time why is it their responsibility to be educated on the subject? " My response is the following, history is linear in correspondence to the natural laws of time and space. Ideally, everyone would learn about every historical event. But that's not possible. Instead we choose to educate people on major historical events in relation to our history. Given that the Holocaust was a major event in the Second world war, which led to the formation of the post war world and it's varying institutions, it's tied to major events. Remember, at Nuremberg the allies prosecuted the remaining Nazi leaders and their allies under international law for the first time. Given that is the foundation of many of our lives it's fairly important. P.s, in relation to many of your others posts I suspect the reason why kids don't get taught about attrocities done by this country is because it becomes political football by the right wing politicians and press. Again theirs my point not all the facts are made available to these kids i doubt in history class the kids will be taught about the Nazi scientists given asylum in the US and russia after the war? The advancements in medicine due to the disgusting experiments commited in the concentration camps that the US have happily capitalised on ever since and the redistribution of wealth, division of territories and resources. The US takeover of the German pharmaceutical industry. Educate children in all aspects of these attrocities the political spectrums of the time, the terms and conditions of allied support, and finally the economic growth and decay of each country/state involved. I think with that kind of information available children would be able to make a more informed sensible opinion on the matters rather than proud british rhetoric and half a story." Then you missed my point. The second world war is very pertinent to the world today. It set the entire structure of international organisations to this day as well as the, now reasserted, Cold War. The holocaust is a very important part of how the Middle East political situation formed. Not teaching it is foolish. I didn't say teach it badly either. Teenagers are perfectly capable of understanding the complexity and moral ambiguity of what came after. Teach it properly. If we spent more time learning about British defeats and acts of savagery we wouldn't be so foolish as to think we are more important than we really are in the modern world. I did not say don't teach that either. However, to be clear, there is only so much time in the curriculum isn't there? Perhaps there's a case for a unexamined part of the curriculum to cover these things. Practically nobody on this country understands how government works or how laws are made either. You would help yourself if you considered what point you were making before you launched into an easily misinterpreted "rant". | |||
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"Genuinely why? Their is no need to force this as a subject on to children especially young children in schools. It's not appropriate at all these events didn't happen in their life time why is it their responsibility to be educated on the subject? I remember being taught about the Highland Clearances in secondary school have spoken to many younger people since that didn't have a clue what i was talking about? The ciriculum should advance with the times not stop to aknowledge one period in history darker than another especially from a s western perspective. Ive never heard anyone mention The Balfour Decleration the terms set by the US for assistance in WW1 Lord Rothschild insisted control of Palestine be given over to the Jewish Nation the UK obliged and the war was won. Their's also the Napoleonic Wars where Rothschild's family provided funding and weapons to both sides in order to influence and manipulate the post war global economy. I know this reads like a crack pot conspiracy theory so i apologies but i think their's some parts of history we happily ignore and the more mcabre parts are in some cases glorified or used to facilitate other peoples agendas." Genocide. The Highland Clearances were different, in the sense people were transported alive. Ethnic cleansing, yes. Not genocide, though. The mindset is the same. The DNA is similar. Brutality of the majority towards a minority. | |||
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" Genocide. The Highland Clearances were different, in the sense people were transported alive. Ethnic cleansing, yes. Not genocide, though. The mindset is the same. The DNA is similar. Brutality of the majority towards a minority. " Sorry i wasn't trying to point out similarities between the 2 was just using it as an example of how the Cirriculum had changed within a few years of me leaving school and the subject had been dropped completely by that point. | |||
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" Genocide. The Highland Clearances were different, in the sense people were transported alive. Ethnic cleansing, yes. Not genocide, though. The mindset is the same. The DNA is similar. Brutality of the majority towards a minority. " It wasn't ethnic cleansing either as most of it was done by other Scots. There's a lot of myths out there about it unfortunately. | |||
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"A survey commissioned by the Holocaust Memorial Day Trust, published to coincide with Holocaust Memorial Day, finds: - 5 % of UK adults do not believe the Holocaust actually happened - 8 % believe it has been exaggerated - 20 % believe the death toll was less than two million - 45 % don't know how many died Do we have any of the 5-8 % among us who can explain why they think that? Do we put too much emphasis on waving a poppy in the air once a year instead of reminding people what it was actually all about? " It did happen, but there was never six million Jews in Europe to start with. The number six million was tortured out of Adolf Eichman by MOSSAD. | |||
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"A survey commissioned by the Holocaust Memorial Day Trust, published to coincide with Holocaust Memorial Day, finds: - 5 % of UK adults do not believe the Holocaust actually happened - 8 % believe it has been exaggerated - 20 % believe the death toll was less than two million - 45 % don't know how many died Do we have any of the 5-8 % among us who can explain why they think that? Do we put too much emphasis on waving a poppy in the air once a year instead of reminding people what it was actually all about? It did happen, but there was never six million Jews in Europe to start with. The number six million was tortured out of Adolf Eichman by MOSSAD." What utter tosh. Shameful | |||
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"A survey commissioned by the Holocaust Memorial Day Trust, published to coincide with Holocaust Memorial Day, finds: - 5 % of UK adults do not believe the Holocaust actually happened - 8 % believe it has been exaggerated - 20 % believe the death toll was less than two million - 45 % don't know how many died Do we have any of the 5-8 % among us who can explain why they think that? Do we put too much emphasis on waving a poppy in the air once a year instead of reminding people what it was actually all about? It did happen, but there was never six million Jews in Europe to start with. The number six million was tortured out of Adolf Eichman by MOSSAD." You are quite the conspiracy theorist. In thus case quite surprising considering how much you hate Germans. The Germans are really, really good at keeping records. The deaths in the concentration camps are recorded in great detail. Deaths in Russia were field executions. Whole villages. Had to be worked out from pre and post war census records. Could just be a ploy for more sympathy because obviously killing 6 million people is much worse than only 3 million  | |||
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"A survey commissioned by the Holocaust Memorial Day Trust, published to coincide with Holocaust Memorial Day, finds: - 5 % of UK adults do not believe the Holocaust actually happened - 8 % believe it has been exaggerated - 20 % believe the death toll was less than two million - 45 % don't know how many died Do we have any of the 5-8 % among us who can explain why they think that? Do we put too much emphasis on waving a poppy in the air once a year instead of reminding people what it was actually all about? It did happen, but there was never six million Jews in Europe to start with. The number six million was tortured out of Adolf Eichman by MOSSAD." If you ever get the chance visit Yad Vashem .The children's memorial names 1.5 million children alone. | |||
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" It wasn't ethnic cleansing either as most of it was done by other Scots. There's a lot of myths out there about it unfortunately." I attribute it to the British, which included a significant proportion of Scots of the Presbyterian ethic. The clearances were a response to 1745 and an opportunity to destroy the clan system and the power base of a predominantly Catholic area. | |||
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" It did happen, but there was never six million Jews in Europe to start with. The number six million was tortured out of Adolf Eichman by MOSSAD." That puts you in the 8 per cent. Would you like a shot at the 5 per cent? | |||
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" It wasn't ethnic cleansing either as most of it was done by other Scots. There's a lot of myths out there about it unfortunately. I attribute it to the British, which included a significant proportion of Scots of the Presbyterian ethic. The clearances were a response to 1745 and an opportunity to destroy the clan system and the power base of a predominantly Catholic area. " Sorry but much of this is myth and there's plenty of evidence to show that's the case. I know recently we've had some nationalists using it as another reason to stoke grievance by trying to claim it was genocide or ethnic cleansing but it was mainly landlords, many of whom were Scottish, clearing the land of subsitence farmers for sheep, which were more lucrative. This is the view of historians. Surprisingly one of the biggest nationalist websites has an article debunking the myth as well. Credit is due to them for publishing it. https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2018/02/21/on-myths-of-genocide/ Even the wiki site gives a fairly decent history of the clearances along with the reasons for them. | |||
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" It did happen, but there was never six million Jews in Europe to start with. The number six million was tortured out of Adolf Eichman by MOSSAD. That puts you in the 8 per cent. Would you like a shot at the 5 per cent? " I really couldn’t give a monkeys fuck! | |||
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" It did happen, but there was never six million Jews in Europe to start with. The number six million was tortured out of Adolf Eichman by MOSSAD. That puts you in the 8 per cent. Would you like a shot at the 5 per cent? I really couldn’t give a monkeys fuck!" You really can't provide any information to back your position either. For instance, what is the motivation to lie about how many died? Why maintain such a lie if you can apparently "debunk" it with such ease? | |||
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" It did happen, but there was never six million Jews in Europe to start with. The number six million was tortured out of Adolf Eichman by MOSSAD. That puts you in the 8 per cent. Would you like a shot at the 5 per cent? I really couldn’t give a monkeys fuck!" Have you always had a difficult relationship with the truth and facts? | |||
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"Genuinely why? Their is no need to force this as a subject on to children especially young children in schools. It's not appropriate at all these events didn't happen in their life time why is it their responsibility to be educated on the subject? I remember being taught about the Highland Clearances in secondary school have spoken to many younger people since that didn't have a clue what i was talking about? The ciriculum should advance with the times not stop to aknowledge one period in history darker than another especially from a s western perspective. Ive never heard anyone mention The Balfour Decleration the terms set by the US for assistance in WW1 Lord Rothschild insisted control of Palestine be given over to the Jewish Nation the UK obliged and the war was won. Their's also the Napoleonic Wars where Rothschild's family provided funding and weapons to both sides in order to influence and manipulate the post war global economy. I know this reads like a crack pot conspiracy theory so i apologies but i think their's some parts of history we happily ignore and the more mcabre parts are in some cases glorified or used to facilitate other peoples agendas." By ignoring them they are more likely to repeat,history is the best subject to be studied to teach people to think and evaluate in my view | |||
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"A survey commissioned by the Holocaust Memorial Day Trust, published to coincide with Holocaust Memorial Day, finds: - 5 % of UK adults do not believe the Holocaust actually happened - 8 % believe it has been exaggerated - 20 % believe the death toll was less than two million - 45 % don't know how many died Do we have any of the 5-8 % among us who can explain why they think that? Do we put too much emphasis on waving a poppy in the air once a year instead of reminding people what it was actually all about? It did happen, but there was never six million Jews in Europe to start with. The number six million was tortured out of Adolf Eichman by MOSSAD. You are quite the conspiracy theorist. In thus case quite surprising considering how much you hate Germans. The Germans are really, really good at keeping records. The deaths in the concentration camps are recorded in great detail. Deaths in Russia were field executions. Whole villages. Had to be worked out from pre and post war census records. Could just be a ploy for more sympathy because obviously killing 6 million people is much worse than only 3 million "No it is not worse if you think there is a difference you are very very sick | |||
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"A survey commissioned by the Holocaust Memorial Day Trust, published to coincide with Holocaust Memorial Day, finds: - 5 % of UK adults do not believe the Holocaust actually happened - 8 % believe it has been exaggerated - 20 % believe the death toll was less than two million - 45 % don't know how many died Do we have any of the 5-8 % among us who can explain why they think that? Do we put too much emphasis on waving a poppy in the air once a year instead of reminding people what it was actually all about? It did happen, but there was never six million Jews in Europe to start with. The number six million was tortured out of Adolf Eichman by MOSSAD. You are quite the conspiracy theorist. In thus case quite surprising considering how much you hate Germans. The Germans are really, really good at keeping records. The deaths in the concentration camps are recorded in great detail. Deaths in Russia were field executions. Whole villages. Had to be worked out from pre and post war census records. Could just be a ploy for more sympathy because obviously killing 6 million people is much worse than only 3 million No it is not worse if you think there is a difference you are very very sick"I think that you are missing the sarcasm that I'm directing to the person who claims that the figures aren't real. | |||
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" It did happen, but there was never six million Jews in Europe to start with. The number six million was tortured out of Adolf Eichman by MOSSAD." It isn't strange that this sort of garbage is spouted when there is not enough education about what happened.....nor what happened in Rwanda, Bosnia, Cambodia....the list goes on. Sadly, people tend to disregard reality when it doesn't suit their own bigotry, racism, xenophobia or plain prejudice. Ps....Eichmann was captured in 1960. Looking at the transcripts of the Nuremberg trials in 1946, the figure of 6 million Jews was quoted as early as the opening speeches. Please do enlighten us as to where your alternative history has come from? | |||
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" It did happen, but there was never six million Jews in Europe to start with. The number six million was tortured out of Adolf Eichman by MOSSAD. It isn't strange that this sort of garbage is spouted when there is not enough education about what happened.....nor what happened in Rwanda, Bosnia, Cambodia....the list goes on. Sadly, people tend to disregard reality when it doesn't suit their own bigotry, racism, xenophobia or plain prejudice. Ps....Eichmann was captured in 1960. Looking at the transcripts of the Nuremberg trials in 1946, the figure of 6 million Jews was quoted as early as the opening speeches. Please do enlighten us as to where your alternative history has come from? " It's standard holocaust denial schtick. | |||
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" It did happen, but there was never six million Jews in Europe to start with. The number six million was tortured out of Adolf Eichman by MOSSAD. It isn't strange that this sort of garbage is spouted when there is not enough education about what happened.....nor what happened in Rwanda, Bosnia, Cambodia....the list goes on. Sadly, people tend to disregard reality when it doesn't suit their own bigotry, racism, xenophobia or plain prejudice. Ps....Eichmann was captured in 1960. Looking at the transcripts of the Nuremberg trials in 1946, the figure of 6 million Jews was quoted as early as the opening speeches. Please do enlighten us as to where your alternative history has come from? " It's probably come from a couple of Youtube videos. Whenever I've had discussion with conspiracy theorists (before I learned not to bother as it's pointless) they always, without fail, pointed to some cranky youtube videos as evidence of their beliefs. | |||
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" It did happen, but there was never six million Jews in Europe to start with. The number six million was tortured out of Adolf Eichman by MOSSAD. It isn't strange that this sort of garbage is spouted when there is not enough education about what happened.....nor what happened in Rwanda, Bosnia, Cambodia....the list goes on. Sadly, people tend to disregard reality when it doesn't suit their own bigotry, racism, xenophobia or plain prejudice. Ps....Eichmann was captured in 1960. Looking at the transcripts of the Nuremberg trials in 1946, the figure of 6 million Jews was quoted as early as the opening speeches. Please do enlighten us as to where your alternative history has come from? It's probably come from a couple of Youtube videos. Whenever I've had discussion with conspiracy theorists (before I learned not to bother as it's pointless) they always, without fail, pointed to some cranky youtube videos as evidence of their beliefs." Youtube....the 21st century version of a back of a fag packet. | |||
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"A survey commissioned by the Holocaust Memorial Day Trust, published to coincide with Holocaust Memorial Day, finds: - 5 % of UK adults do not believe the Holocaust actually happened - 8 % believe it has been exaggerated - 20 % believe the death toll was less than two million - 45 % don't know how many died Do we have any of the 5-8 % among us who can explain why they think that? Do we put too much emphasis on waving a poppy in the air once a year instead of reminding people what it was actually all about? " . Many people get confused between the Holocaust as a whole the extermination camps and concentration camps. The 5% doesn't surprise me though and I'm sure if you took the poll in say Luton you'd find a surprisingly higher figure but country wide 5% is about right. | |||
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"A survey commissioned by the Holocaust Memorial Day Trust, published to coincide with Holocaust Memorial Day, finds: - 5 % of UK adults do not believe the Holocaust actually happened - 8 % believe it has been exaggerated - 20 % believe the death toll was less than two million - 45 % don't know how many died Do we have any of the 5-8 % among us who can explain why they think that? Do we put too much emphasis on waving a poppy in the air once a year instead of reminding people what it was actually all about? " | |||
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"People in Luton are less knowledgeable than people elsewhere? What evidence do you have for that?" . There's always sections of society that have deeply held conspiracy theories about Jews!. | |||
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"And your evidence for Luton is . . ." . It's 25% Muslim, there's polls on this, you can look them up, Muslims In general are seriously skeptical on the Holocaust and much more likely to believe in Jewish conspiracies,I mean sure there not alone, there's also communists (leftists in general) and sections of the far right. | |||
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"The most poisonous thing I have seen posted on here for a while. Goodbye" Actually, just for a change the white ethno-nationalist might be touching on something although he has found his own way to interpret it. Not specifically because they're Muslim or because they are holocaust deniers or apologists or minimsers. Because if there are a high incidence of first generation immigrants they will never have been taught about it. Remember that even the Polish have taken an exception to any association with the holocaust even though they have no responsibility for having extermination camps on their soil. Those born here are far more likely to know about what happened. | |||
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"The most poisonous thing I have seen posted on here for a while. Goodbye" . Straight from Wikipedia you could try looking instead of name calling. In their 2008 report on contemporary Arab-Muslim antisemitism, the Israeli Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center dates the beginning of this phenomenon to the spread of classic European Christian antisemitism into the Arab world starting in the late 19th century.[6] In 2014, the Anti-Defamation League published a global survey of worldwide antisemitic attitudes, reporting that in the Middle East, 74% of adults agreed with a majority of the survey's eleven antisemitic propositions, including that "Jews have too much power in international financial markets" and that "Jews are responsible for most of the world's wars."[7][8]. | |||
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"The most poisonous thing I have seen posted on here for a while. Goodbye. Straight from Wikipedia you could try looking instead of name calling. In their 2008 report on contemporary Arab-Muslim antisemitism, the Israeli Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center dates the beginning of this phenomenon to the spread of classic European Christian antisemitism into the Arab world starting in the late 19th century.[6] In 2014, the Anti-Defamation League published a global survey of worldwide antisemitic attitudes, reporting that in the Middle East, 74% of adults agreed with a majority of the survey's eleven antisemitic propositions, including that "Jews have too much power in international financial markets" and that "Jews are responsible for most of the world's wars."[7][8]. " ...and holocaust denial? | |||
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"The most poisonous thing I have seen posted on here for a while. Goodbye. Straight from Wikipedia you could try looking instead of name calling. In their 2008 report on contemporary Arab-Muslim antisemitism, the Israeli Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center dates the beginning of this phenomenon to the spread of classic European Christian antisemitism into the Arab world starting in the late 19th century.[6] In 2014, the Anti-Defamation League published a global survey of worldwide antisemitic attitudes, reporting that in the Middle East, 74% of adults agreed with a majority of the survey's eleven antisemitic propositions, including that "Jews have too much power in international financial markets" and that "Jews are responsible for most of the world's wars."[7][8]. ...and holocaust denial?" . I think that falls under the 11 antisemitic propositions?.  | |||
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"The most poisonous thing I have seen posted on here for a while. Goodbye. Straight from Wikipedia you could try looking instead of name calling. In their 2008 report on contemporary Arab-Muslim antisemitism, the Israeli Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center dates the beginning of this phenomenon to the spread of classic European Christian antisemitism into the Arab world starting in the late 19th century.[6] In 2014, the Anti-Defamation League published a global survey of worldwide antisemitic attitudes, reporting that in the Middle East, 74% of adults agreed with a majority of the survey's eleven antisemitic propositions, including that "Jews have too much power in international financial markets" and that "Jews are responsible for most of the world's wars."[7][8]. ...and holocaust denial?. I think that falls under the 11 antisemitic propositions?. "Nope. The 11 propositions are on the adl report. However one is that they still talk too much about the holocaust. | |||
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"The most poisonous thing I have seen posted on here for a while. Goodbye. Straight from Wikipedia you could try looking instead of name calling. In their 2008 report on contemporary Arab-Muslim antisemitism, the Israeli Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center dates the beginning of this phenomenon to the spread of classic European Christian antisemitism into the Arab world starting in the late 19th century.[6] In 2014, the Anti-Defamation League published a global survey of worldwide antisemitic attitudes, reporting that in the Middle East, 74% of adults agreed with a majority of the survey's eleven antisemitic propositions, including that "Jews have too much power in international financial markets" and that "Jews are responsible for most of the world's wars."[7][8]. ...and holocaust denial?. I think that falls under the 11 antisemitic propositions?. "According to the ADL announcement, "only 54 percent of those polled globally have ever heard of the Holocaust," the Nazi-led genocide of Europe's Jewish population before and during World War II, in which an estimated 6 million Jewish men, women and children were systematically exterminated. "Two out of three people surveyed have either never heard of the Holocaust, or do not believe historical accounts to be accurate," the ADL reported. That's not just Muslims is it? Ignorance of the holocaust doesn't make someone anti-Semitic either. Denial may well do. I'm not saying that Muslims do not hold an animus against Jews. That would not be surprising, but it does not actually support your proposition. | |||
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"The most poisonous thing I have seen posted on here for a while. Goodbye. Straight from Wikipedia you could try looking instead of name calling. In their 2008 report on contemporary Arab-Muslim antisemitism, the Israeli Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center dates the beginning of this phenomenon to the spread of classic European Christian antisemitism into the Arab world starting in the late 19th century.[6] In 2014, the Anti-Defamation League published a global survey of worldwide antisemitic attitudes, reporting that in the Middle East, 74% of adults agreed with a majority of the survey's eleven antisemitic propositions, including that "Jews have too much power in international financial markets" and that "Jews are responsible for most of the world's wars."[7][8]. ...and holocaust denial?. I think that falls under the 11 antisemitic propositions?.
According to the ADL announcement, "only 54 percent of those polled globally have ever heard of the Holocaust," the Nazi-led genocide of Europe's Jewish population before and during World War II, in which an estimated 6 million Jewish men, women and children were systematically exterminated. "Two out of three people surveyed have either never heard of the Holocaust, or do not believe historical accounts to be accurate," the ADL reported.
That's not just Muslims is it? Ignorance of the holocaust doesn't make someone anti-Semitic either. Denial may well do.
I'm not saying that Muslims do not hold an animus against Jews. That would not be surprising, but it does not actually support your proposition.". I've taken this from the Jewish chronicles as I didn't know if it was allowed and didn't want you to report me for it?. In a survey of 5,466 British adults, the prevalence of anti-Semitic views among Muslim respondents was two to four times higher than in any other segment of the population. The results are part of a report titled “Anti-Semitism in contemporary Great Britain” that the London-based Institute for Jewish Policy Research published Monday based on face-to-face interviews and online questioners conducted earlier this year and in 2016 with help from the Community Security Trust, or CST. “The prevalence of negativity towards Jews and Israel is, on average, twice as high among Muslims than the general population,” states the 85-page report, which includes data from interviews with 995 self-identified Muslims of varying degrees of observance, as well as 529 respondents from the far left and 355 from the far right. Whereas nearly 80 percent of Christian respondents agreed with the statement that “a British Jew is just as British as any other British person,” only 61 percent of Muslims and 59 percent of the Muslims who described themselves as religious concurred. Among Muslims, 28 percent agreed with the assertion that “Jews think they are better than other people,” compared to 13 percent in the general population. Among Muslims, 14 percent said the Holocaust was exaggerated compared to 4 percent in the general population and 8 percent said the Holocaust is a myth compared to only 1 percent in the larger group. | |||
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"The most poisonous thing I have seen posted on here for a while. Goodbye. Straight from Wikipedia you could try looking instead of name calling. In their 2008 report on contemporary Arab-Muslim antisemitism, the Israeli Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center dates the beginning of this phenomenon to the spread of classic European Christian antisemitism into the Arab world starting in the late 19th century.[6] In 2014, the Anti-Defamation League published a global survey of worldwide antisemitic attitudes, reporting that in the Middle East, 74% of adults agreed with a majority of the survey's eleven antisemitic propositions, including that "Jews have too much power in international financial markets" and that "Jews are responsible for most of the world's wars."[7][8]. ...and holocaust denial?. I think that falls under the 11 antisemitic propositions?.
According to the ADL announcement, "only 54 percent of those polled globally have ever heard of the Holocaust," the Nazi-led genocide of Europe's Jewish population before and during World War II, in which an estimated 6 million Jewish men, women and children were systematically exterminated. "Two out of three people surveyed have either never heard of the Holocaust, or do not believe historical accounts to be accurate," the ADL reported.
That's not just Muslims is it? Ignorance of the holocaust doesn't make someone anti-Semitic either. Denial may well do.
I'm not saying that Muslims do not hold an animus against Jews. That would not be surprising, but it does not actually support your proposition..
I've taken this from the Jewish chronicles as I didn't know if it was allowed and didn't want you to report me for it?.
In a survey of 5,466 British adults, the prevalence of anti-Semitic views among Muslim respondents was two to four times higher than in any other segment of the population.
The results are part of a report titled “Anti-Semitism in contemporary Great Britain” that the London-based Institute for Jewish Policy Research published Monday based on face-to-face interviews and online questioners conducted earlier this year and in 2016 with help from the Community Security Trust, or CST.
“The prevalence of negativity towards Jews and Israel is, on average, twice as high among Muslims than the general population,” states the 85-page report, which includes data from interviews with 995 self-identified Muslims of varying degrees of observance, as well as 529 respondents from the far left and 355 from the far right.
Whereas nearly 80 percent of Christian respondents agreed with the statement that “a British Jew is just as British as any other British person,” only 61 percent of Muslims and 59 percent of the Muslims who described themselves as religious concurred.
Among Muslims, 28 percent agreed with the assertion that “Jews think they are better than other people,” compared to 13 percent in the general population. Among Muslims, 14 percent said the Holocaust was exaggerated compared to 4 percent in the general population and 8 percent said the Holocaust is a myth compared to only 1 percent in the larger group."Now thats a source which seems to back your statement. Will have a read. Thx. | |||
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"The most poisonous thing I have seen posted on here for a while. Goodbye. Straight from Wikipedia you could try looking instead of name calling. In their 2008 report on contemporary Arab-Muslim antisemitism, the Israeli Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center dates the beginning of this phenomenon to the spread of classic European Christian antisemitism into the Arab world starting in the late 19th century.[6] In 2014, the Anti-Defamation League published a global survey of worldwide antisemitic attitudes, reporting that in the Middle East, 74% of adults agreed with a majority of the survey's eleven antisemitic propositions, including that "Jews have too much power in international financial markets" and that "Jews are responsible for most of the world's wars."[7][8]. ...and holocaust denial?. I think that falls under the 11 antisemitic propositions?.
According to the ADL announcement, "only 54 percent of those polled globally have ever heard of the Holocaust," the Nazi-led genocide of Europe's Jewish population before and during World War II, in which an estimated 6 million Jewish men, women and children were systematically exterminated. "Two out of three people surveyed have either never heard of the Holocaust, or do not believe historical accounts to be accurate," the ADL reported.
That's not just Muslims is it? Ignorance of the holocaust doesn't make someone anti-Semitic either. Denial may well do.
I'm not saying that Muslims do not hold an animus against Jews. That would not be surprising, but it does not actually support your proposition..
I've taken this from the Jewish chronicles as I didn't know if it was allowed and didn't want you to report me for it?.
In a survey of 5,466 British adults, the prevalence of anti-Semitic views among Muslim respondents was two to four times higher than in any other segment of the population.
The results are part of a report titled “Anti-Semitism in contemporary Great Britain” that the London-based Institute for Jewish Policy Research published Monday based on face-to-face interviews and online questioners conducted earlier this year and in 2016 with help from the Community Security Trust, or CST.
“The prevalence of negativity towards Jews and Israel is, on average, twice as high among Muslims than the general population,” states the 85-page report, which includes data from interviews with 995 self-identified Muslims of varying degrees of observance, as well as 529 respondents from the far left and 355 from the far right.
Whereas nearly 80 percent of Christian respondents agreed with the statement that “a British Jew is just as British as any other British person,” only 61 percent of Muslims and 59 percent of the Muslims who described themselves as religious concurred.
Among Muslims, 28 percent agreed with the assertion that “Jews think they are better than other people,” compared to 13 percent in the general population. Among Muslims, 14 percent said the Holocaust was exaggerated compared to 4 percent in the general population and 8 percent said the Holocaust is a myth compared to only 1 percent in the larger group."Good Googling
I'm sure you had this information at your fingertips before you posted earlier 
As I actually said, as we are once again in the realms of micro-victories, I agreed with the fact that a higher than average number of Muslims would deny the holocaust by dint of their education and upbringing.
The survey sample age over 55 was more than 30%. With the best will in the world the majority of Muslims in this age group will be immigrants in the category that I described. They are still British Muslims.
For the avoidance of doubt, Muslims are likely to be more anti-Semitic due to the on-going conflicts in the middle east. Denial of the holocaust is also likely to be higher than average but primarily due to an older age group educated abroad.
So, once again, we are agreeing that Muslims are more likely to deny the holocaust but the conclusions you jump to when you look at the data which is to say that this applies to all Muslims.
There is very likely to be a generational difference which has not been analysed in the data as far as I can see. Look at the Brexit vote that Centaur gets so bent out of shape about. | |||
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"The most poisonous thing I have seen posted on here for a while. Goodbye. Straight from Wikipedia you could try looking instead of name calling. In their 2008 report on contemporary Arab-Muslim antisemitism, the Israeli Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center dates the beginning of this phenomenon to the spread of classic European Christian antisemitism into the Arab world starting in the late 19th century.[6] In 2014, the Anti-Defamation League published a global survey of worldwide antisemitic attitudes, reporting that in the Middle East, 74% of adults agreed with a majority of the survey's eleven antisemitic propositions, including that "Jews have too much power in international financial markets" and that "Jews are responsible for most of the world's wars."[7][8]. ...and holocaust denial?. I think that falls under the 11 antisemitic propositions?.
According to the ADL announcement, "only 54 percent of those polled globally have ever heard of the Holocaust," the Nazi-led genocide of Europe's Jewish population before and during World War II, in which an estimated 6 million Jewish men, women and children were systematically exterminated. "Two out of three people surveyed have either never heard of the Holocaust, or do not believe historical accounts to be accurate," the ADL reported.
That's not just Muslims is it? Ignorance of the holocaust doesn't make someone anti-Semitic either. Denial may well do.
I'm not saying that Muslims do not hold an animus against Jews. That would not be surprising, but it does not actually support your proposition..
I've taken this from the Jewish chronicles as I didn't know if it was allowed and didn't want you to report me for it?.
In a survey of 5,466 British adults, the prevalence of anti-Semitic views among Muslim respondents was two to four times higher than in any other segment of the population.
The results are part of a report titled “Anti-Semitism in contemporary Great Britain” that the London-based Institute for Jewish Policy Research published Monday based on face-to-face interviews and online questioners conducted earlier this year and in 2016 with help from the Community Security Trust, or CST.
“The prevalence of negativity towards Jews and Israel is, on average, twice as high among Muslims than the general population,” states the 85-page report, which includes data from interviews with 995 self-identified Muslims of varying degrees of observance, as well as 529 respondents from the far left and 355 from the far right.
Whereas nearly 80 percent of Christian respondents agreed with the statement that “a British Jew is just as British as any other British person,” only 61 percent of Muslims and 59 percent of the Muslims who described themselves as religious concurred.
Among Muslims, 28 percent agreed with the assertion that “Jews think they are better than other people,” compared to 13 percent in the general population. Among Muslims, 14 percent said the Holocaust was exaggerated compared to 4 percent in the general population and 8 percent said the Holocaust is a myth compared to only 1 percent in the larger group.
Good Googling
I'm sure you had this information at your fingertips before you posted earlier
As I actually said, as we are once again in the realms of micro-victories, I agreed with the fact that a higher than average number of Muslims would deny the holocaust by dint of their education and upbringing.
The survey sample age over 55 was more than 30%. With the best will in the world the majority of Muslims in this age group will be immigrants in the category that I described. They are still British Muslims.
For the avoidance of doubt, Muslims are likely to be more anti-Semitic due to the on-going conflicts in the middle east. Denial of the holocaust is also likely to be higher than average but primarily due to an older age group educated abroad.
So, once again, we are agreeing that Muslims are more likely to deny the holocaust but the conclusions you jump to when you look at the data which is to say that this applies to all Muslims.
There is very likely to be a generational difference which has not been analysed in the data as far as I can see. Look at the Brexit vote that Centaur gets so bent out of shape about.". No I never said it applied to all Muslims you just made that up like alot of other things. What I said was I can foresee where that 5% probably comes from and as my references and you concur, it's primarily the three main suspects that I outlined. Muslims, communists (far left) and then the far right or sections of. But don't worry I didn't mind being called white ethno nationalist by yourself or writing the most poisonous thing the lady had ever seen (just facts), it's all part of life's rich pageant as the globalists would say.  | |||
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"The most poisonous thing I have seen posted on here for a while. Goodbye. Straight from Wikipedia you could try looking instead of name calling. In their 2008 report on contemporary Arab-Muslim antisemitism, the Israeli Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center dates the beginning of this phenomenon to the spread of classic European Christian antisemitism into the Arab world starting in the late 19th century.[6] In 2014, the Anti-Defamation League published a global survey of worldwide antisemitic attitudes, reporting that in the Middle East, 74% of adults agreed with a majority of the survey's eleven antisemitic propositions, including that "Jews have too much power in international financial markets" and that "Jews are responsible for most of the world's wars."[7][8]. ...and holocaust denial?. I think that falls under the 11 antisemitic propositions?.
According to the ADL announcement, "only 54 percent of those polled globally have ever heard of the Holocaust," the Nazi-led genocide of Europe's Jewish population before and during World War II, in which an estimated 6 million Jewish men, women and children were systematically exterminated. "Two out of three people surveyed have either never heard of the Holocaust, or do not believe historical accounts to be accurate," the ADL reported.
That's not just Muslims is it? Ignorance of the holocaust doesn't make someone anti-Semitic either. Denial may well do.
I'm not saying that Muslims do not hold an animus against Jews. That would not be surprising, but it does not actually support your proposition..
I've taken this from the Jewish chronicles as I didn't know if it was allowed and didn't want you to report me for it?.
In a survey of 5,466 British adults, the prevalence of anti-Semitic views among Muslim respondents was two to four times higher than in any other segment of the population.
The results are part of a report titled “Anti-Semitism in contemporary Great Britain” that the London-based Institute for Jewish Policy Research published Monday based on face-to-face interviews and online questioners conducted earlier this year and in 2016 with help from the Community Security Trust, or CST.
“The prevalence of negativity towards Jews and Israel is, on average, twice as high among Muslims than the general population,” states the 85-page report, which includes data from interviews with 995 self-identified Muslims of varying degrees of observance, as well as 529 respondents from the far left and 355 from the far right.
Whereas nearly 80 percent of Christian respondents agreed with the statement that “a British Jew is just as British as any other British person,” only 61 percent of Muslims and 59 percent of the Muslims who described themselves as religious concurred.
Among Muslims, 28 percent agreed with the assertion that “Jews think they are better than other people,” compared to 13 percent in the general population. Among Muslims, 14 percent said the Holocaust was exaggerated compared to 4 percent in the general population and 8 percent said the Holocaust is a myth compared to only 1 percent in the larger group.
Good Googling
I'm sure you had this information at your fingertips before you posted earlier
As I actually said, as we are once again in the realms of micro-victories, I agreed with the fact that a higher than average number of Muslims would deny the holocaust by dint of their education and upbringing.
The survey sample age over 55 was more than 30%. With the best will in the world the majority of Muslims in this age group will be immigrants in the category that I described. They are still British Muslims.
For the avoidance of doubt, Muslims are likely to be more anti-Semitic due to the on-going conflicts in the middle east. Denial of the holocaust is also likely to be higher than average but primarily due to an older age group educated abroad.
So, once again, we are agreeing that Muslims are more likely to deny the holocaust but the conclusions you jump to when you look at the data which is to say that this applies to all Muslims.
There is very likely to be a generational difference which has not been analysed in the data as far as I can see. Look at the Brexit vote that Centaur gets so bent out of shape about..
No I never said it applied to all Muslims you just made that up like alot of other things.
What I said was I can foresee where that 5% probably comes from and as my references and you concur, it's primarily the three main suspects that I outlined.
Muslims, communists (far left) and then the far right or sections of.
But don't worry I didn't mind being called white ethno nationalist by yourself or writing the most poisonous thing the lady had ever seen (just facts), it's all part of life's rich pageant as the globalists would say. ""British Muslims are 8 times more likely to deny the Holocaust than the control group." They are but that is a generalisation isn't it? You are a self proclaimed racial and religious separatist, so there's nothing to forgive me for 
Have I mistaken what you were writing before? People shouldn't stay where they are in their own ethnic, religious and geographical locations without mixing too much? | |||
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"The most poisonous thing I have seen posted on here for a while. Goodbye. Straight from Wikipedia you could try looking instead of name calling. In their 2008 report on contemporary Arab-Muslim antisemitism, the Israeli Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center dates the beginning of this phenomenon to the spread of classic European Christian antisemitism into the Arab world starting in the late 19th century.[6] In 2014, the Anti-Defamation League published a global survey of worldwide antisemitic attitudes, reporting that in the Middle East, 74% of adults agreed with a majority of the survey's eleven antisemitic propositions, including that "Jews have too much power in international financial markets" and that "Jews are responsible for most of the world's wars."[7][8]. ...and holocaust denial?. I think that falls under the 11 antisemitic propositions?.
According to the ADL announcement, "only 54 percent of those polled globally have ever heard of the Holocaust," the Nazi-led genocide of Europe's Jewish population before and during World War II, in which an estimated 6 million Jewish men, women and children were systematically exterminated. "Two out of three people surveyed have either never heard of the Holocaust, or do not believe historical accounts to be accurate," the ADL reported.
That's not just Muslims is it? Ignorance of the holocaust doesn't make someone anti-Semitic either. Denial may well do.
I'm not saying that Muslims do not hold an animus against Jews. That would not be surprising, but it does not actually support your proposition..
I've taken this from the Jewish chronicles as I didn't know if it was allowed and didn't want you to report me for it?.
In a survey of 5,466 British adults, the prevalence of anti-Semitic views among Muslim respondents was two to four times higher than in any other segment of the population.
The results are part of a report titled “Anti-Semitism in contemporary Great Britain” that the London-based Institute for Jewish Policy Research published Monday based on face-to-face interviews and online questioners conducted earlier this year and in 2016 with help from the Community Security Trust, or CST.
“The prevalence of negativity towards Jews and Israel is, on average, twice as high among Muslims than the general population,” states the 85-page report, which includes data from interviews with 995 self-identified Muslims of varying degrees of observance, as well as 529 respondents from the far left and 355 from the far right.
Whereas nearly 80 percent of Christian respondents agreed with the statement that “a British Jew is just as British as any other British person,” only 61 percent of Muslims and 59 percent of the Muslims who described themselves as religious concurred.
Among Muslims, 28 percent agreed with the assertion that “Jews think they are better than other people,” compared to 13 percent in the general population. Among Muslims, 14 percent said the Holocaust was exaggerated compared to 4 percent in the general population and 8 percent said the Holocaust is a myth compared to only 1 percent in the larger group.
Good Googling
I'm sure you had this information at your fingertips before you posted earlier
As I actually said, as we are once again in the realms of micro-victories, I agreed with the fact that a higher than average number of Muslims would deny the holocaust by dint of their education and upbringing.
The survey sample age over 55 was more than 30%. With the best will in the world the majority of Muslims in this age group will be immigrants in the category that I described. They are still British Muslims.
For the avoidance of doubt, Muslims are likely to be more anti-Semitic due to the on-going conflicts in the middle east. Denial of the holocaust is also likely to be higher than average but primarily due to an older age group educated abroad.
So, once again, we are agreeing that Muslims are more likely to deny the holocaust but the conclusions you jump to when you look at the data which is to say that this applies to all Muslims.
There is very likely to be a generational difference which has not been analysed in the data as far as I can see. Look at the Brexit vote that Centaur gets so bent out of shape about..
No I never said it applied to all Muslims you just made that up like alot of other things.
What I said was I can foresee where that 5% probably comes from and as my references and you concur, it's primarily the three main suspects that I outlined.
Muslims, communists (far left) and then the far right or sections of.
But don't worry I didn't mind being called white ethno nationalist by yourself or writing the most poisonous thing the lady had ever seen (just facts), it's all part of life's rich pageant as the globalists would say.
"British Muslims are 8 times more likely to deny the Holocaust than the control group."
They are but that is a generalisation isn't it?
You are a self proclaimed racial and religious separatist, so there's nothing to forgive me for
Have I mistaken what you were writing before? People shouldn't stay where they are in their own ethnic, religious and geographical locations without mixing too much? ". I never mentioned religious divides what I actually said was a white ethno state run in the interests of white people where deemed fit (ie immigration), large majority white no mention of enforced racial purity people in the main choose racial purity be they white, black, English or Chinese, there's a deep biological thing going on inside of us, yesterday on radio 5 they Sri Lankan presenter said in this cold he could feel his parents DNA telling him this isn't for him, he feels 30,000 years of evolution, that's a hard thing to overcome and even medically effects you. no swastikas on a Sunday, no Jack boot marching!, that's all in your head not mine. I didn't say people should stay where they are, I said in general people prefer to stay where they are and usually are only forced out by living standards and of course the west's freedoms. | |||
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" It did happen, but there was never six million Jews in Europe to start with. The number six million was tortured out of Adolf Eichman by MOSSAD. It isn't strange that this sort of garbage is spouted when there is not enough education about what happened.....nor what happened in Rwanda, Bosnia, Cambodia....the list goes on. Sadly, people tend to disregard reality when it doesn't suit their own bigotry, racism, xenophobia or plain prejudice. Ps....Eichmann was captured in 1960. Looking at the transcripts of the Nuremberg trials in 1946, the figure of 6 million Jews was quoted as early as the opening speeches. Please do enlighten us as to where your alternative history has come from? It's probably come from a couple of Youtube videos. Whenever I've had discussion with conspiracy theorists (before I learned not to bother as it's pointless) they always, without fail, pointed to some cranky youtube videos as evidence of their beliefs. Youtube....the 21st century version of a back of a fag packet." regarding youtube, the best news I have is their new crackdown on conspiracy channels, while i dont think it is exactly censorship, I think it's more about those who will be unable to earn money from such channels. https://youtube.googleblog.com/ We’ll continue that work this year, including taking a closer look at how we can reduce the spread of content that comes close to—but doesn’t quite cross the line of—violating our Community Guidelines. To that end, we’ll begin reducing recommendations of borderline content and content that could misinform users in harmful ways—such as videos promoting a phony miracle cure for a serious illness, claiming the earth is flat, or making blatantly false claims about historic events like 9/11. flattards are going crazy 
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"The most poisonous thing I have seen posted on here for a while. Goodbye. Straight from Wikipedia you could try looking instead of name calling. In their 2008 report on contemporary Arab-Muslim antisemitism, the Israeli Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center dates the beginning of this phenomenon to the spread of classic European Christian antisemitism into the Arab world starting in the late 19th century.[6] In 2014, the Anti-Defamation League published a global survey of worldwide antisemitic attitudes, reporting that in the Middle East, 74% of adults agreed with a majority of the survey's eleven antisemitic propositions, including that "Jews have too much power in international financial markets" and that "Jews are responsible for most of the world's wars."[7][8]. ...and holocaust denial?. I think that falls under the 11 antisemitic propositions?.
According to the ADL announcement, "only 54 percent of those polled globally have ever heard of the Holocaust," the Nazi-led genocide of Europe's Jewish population before and during World War II, in which an estimated 6 million Jewish men, women and children were systematically exterminated. "Two out of three people surveyed have either never heard of the Holocaust, or do not believe historical accounts to be accurate," the ADL reported.
That's not just Muslims is it? Ignorance of the holocaust doesn't make someone anti-Semitic either. Denial may well do.
I'm not saying that Muslims do not hold an animus against Jews. That would not be surprising, but it does not actually support your proposition..
I've taken this from the Jewish chronicles as I didn't know if it was allowed and didn't want you to report me for it?.
In a survey of 5,466 British adults, the prevalence of anti-Semitic views among Muslim respondents was two to four times higher than in any other segment of the population.
The results are part of a report titled “Anti-Semitism in contemporary Great Britain” that the London-based Institute for Jewish Policy Research published Monday based on face-to-face interviews and online questioners conducted earlier this year and in 2016 with help from the Community Security Trust, or CST.
“The prevalence of negativity towards Jews and Israel is, on average, twice as high among Muslims than the general population,” states the 85-page report, which includes data from interviews with 995 self-identified Muslims of varying degrees of observance, as well as 529 respondents from the far left and 355 from the far right.
Whereas nearly 80 percent of Christian respondents agreed with the statement that “a British Jew is just as British as any other British person,” only 61 percent of Muslims and 59 percent of the Muslims who described themselves as religious concurred.
Among Muslims, 28 percent agreed with the assertion that “Jews think they are better than other people,” compared to 13 percent in the general population. Among Muslims, 14 percent said the Holocaust was exaggerated compared to 4 percent in the general population and 8 percent said the Holocaust is a myth compared to only 1 percent in the larger group.
Good Googling
I'm sure you had this information at your fingertips before you posted earlier
As I actually said, as we are once again in the realms of micro-victories, I agreed with the fact that a higher than average number of Muslims would deny the holocaust by dint of their education and upbringing.
The survey sample age over 55 was more than 30%. With the best will in the world the majority of Muslims in this age group will be immigrants in the category that I described. They are still British Muslims.
For the avoidance of doubt, Muslims are likely to be more anti-Semitic due to the on-going conflicts in the middle east. Denial of the holocaust is also likely to be higher than average but primarily due to an older age group educated abroad.
So, once again, we are agreeing that Muslims are more likely to deny the holocaust but the conclusions you jump to when you look at the data which is to say that this applies to all Muslims.
There is very likely to be a generational difference which has not been analysed in the data as far as I can see. Look at the Brexit vote that Centaur gets so bent out of shape about..
No I never said it applied to all Muslims you just made that up like alot of other things.
What I said was I can foresee where that 5% probably comes from and as my references and you concur, it's primarily the three main suspects that I outlined.
Muslims, communists (far left) and then the far right or sections of.
But don't worry I didn't mind being called white ethno nationalist by yourself or writing the most poisonous thing the lady had ever seen (just facts), it's all part of life's rich pageant as the globalists would say.
"British Muslims are 8 times more likely to deny the Holocaust than the control group."
They are but that is a generalisation isn't it?
You are a self proclaimed racial and religious separatist, so there's nothing to forgive me for
Have I mistaken what you were writing before? People shouldn't stay where they are in their own ethnic, religious and geographical locations without mixing too much? .
I never mentioned religious divides what I actually said was a white ethno state run in the interests of white people where deemed fit (ie immigration), large majority white no mention of enforced racial purity people in the main choose racial purity be they white, black, English or Chinese, there's a deep biological thing going on inside of us, yesterday on radio 5 they Sri Lankan presenter said in this cold he could feel his parents DNA telling him this isn't for him, he feels 30,000 years of evolution, that's a hard thing to overcome and even medically effects you.
no swastikas on a Sunday, no Jack boot marching!, that's all in your head not mine.
I didn't say people should stay where they are, I said in general people prefer to stay where they are and usually are only forced out by living standards and of course the west's freedoms.
"People can feel their DNA deep inside them? And you quote this on the basis of an off hand remark made for comic effect by a radio presenter? You really do have a talent for this stuff.... | |||
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