FabSwingers.com forum: crazy brexiteer argument

By *ollie1 OP Couple
over a year ago

murcia spain

just heard a prominent brexiteer who was arguing for a no-deal brexit on wto rules

after having it explained to him that under wto rules welsh sheep farmers would face a 40% tariff which would drive them out of business

responded with the well thought out argument that he was sure everything would be all right

and these are the sort of hands we are in

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex & Bridgend

"just heard a prominent brexiteer who was arguing for a no-deal brexit on wto rules

after having it explained to him that under wto rules welsh sheep farmers would face a 40% tariff which would drive them out of business

responded with the well thought out argument that he was sure everything would be all right

and these are the sort of hands we are in"

The level of utter stupidity and ignorance amongst the hardline Brexiteers is frightening. It's what happens when dogma trumps all else.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

People hear a 20-second clip from their favourite populist and that shapes their thinking.

“I like that Mr Johnson. He speaks nice short words I understand. I don’t understand all that complex stuff. But he tells me about it in a way I believe. So I trust him to know what’s right.”

The farmer in Wales is by no means alone.

Populism at work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would that have been James Dellingpole, getting shredded on This Week, last night. Most entertaining.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"Would that have been James Dellingpole, getting shredded on This Week, last night. Most entertaining."

Yes, was quite funny wasn't it. Exposing the logical fallacy of dropping tariffs to zero and *then* trying to negotiation a free trade agreement.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"just heard a prominent brexiteer who was arguing for a no-deal brexit on wto rules

after having it explained to him that under wto rules welsh sheep farmers would face a 40% tariff which would drive them out of business

responded with the well thought out argument that he was sure everything would be all right

and these are the sort of hands we are in

The level of utter stupidity and ignorance amongst the hardline Brexiteers is frightening. It's what happens when dogma trumps all else."

With some of them it's like listening to devout religious individuals trying to argue against evolution, or the origin of the universe, boiling things down to, well you cannot explain this so 'divine spark'.

The same is true for brexit. We cannot give a 100% accurate prediction therefore, we might as well.

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By *ollie1 OP Couple
over a year ago

murcia spain

yes

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"People hear a 20-second clip from their favourite populist and that shapes their thinking.

“I like that Mr Johnson. He speaks nice short words I understand. I don’t understand all that complex stuff. But he tells me about it in a way I believe. So I trust him to know what’s right.”

The farmer in Wales is by no means alone.

Populism at work."

The simple truth in a perfect nutshell

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"just heard a prominent brexiteer who was arguing for a no-deal brexit on wto rules

after having it explained to him that under wto rules welsh sheep farmers would face a 40% tariff which would drive them out of business

responded with the well thought out argument that he was sure everything would be all right

and these are the sort of hands we are in"
We will have cheaper lamb in this country because it will not be exported so much.

YOu are just very negative so sad

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"just heard a prominent brexiteer who was arguing for a no-deal brexit on wto rules

after having it explained to him that under wto rules welsh sheep farmers would face a 40% tariff which would drive them out of business

responded with the well thought out argument that he was sure everything would be all right

and these are the sort of hands we are inWe will have cheaper lamb in this country because it will not be exported so much.

YOu are just very negative so sad"

I’m starting to think you don’t understand much about what’s going on.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"We will have cheaper lamb in this country because it will not be exported so much.

YOu are just very negative so sad"

Have you considered a career as an economist?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It surely selling their lamb here in the uk would then be more profitable?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" It surely selling their lamb here in the uk would then be more profitable?"

You’d have thought some Welsh farmer might have considered that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" It surely selling their lamb here in the uk would then be more profitable?

You’d have thought some Welsh farmer might have considered that."

"Baa aar aarmy" ideas

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" It surely selling their lamb here in the uk would then be more profitable?"

We are going to end up lamb being out only meat... I’m sure we’re net importers of most other meat.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We will have cheaper lamb in this country because it will not be exported so much.

YOu are just very negative so sad

Have you considered a career as an economist?"

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"just heard a prominent brexiteer who was arguing for a no-deal brexit on wto rules

after having it explained to him that under wto rules welsh sheep farmers would face a 40% tariff which would drive them out of business

responded with the well thought out argument that he was sure everything would be all right

and these are the sort of hands we are inWe will have cheaper lamb in this country because it will not be exported so much.

YOu are just very negative so sad"

Yeah but UK supermarkets shelves will all be empty because the EU will attempt to starve us into submission according to remainers. The EU will also refuse to buy our lamb and our beef and our chicken and refuse to buy our fish caught in UK waters by UK fishermen after we take back control of our fishing waters when we leave the EU common fisheries policy. The question then goes begging if supermarket shelves are empty and UK farmers and uk fishermen can't sell into the EU where else can they sell their wares? Doesn't take a genius to work out less imports from the EU, more domestic UK produce on UK supermarket shelves. Also better for the environment as supermarkets source more local produce.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"We will have cheaper lamb in this country because it will not be exported so much.

YOu are just very negative so sad

Have you considered a career as an economist?"

I think George Osborne fancied himself as an economist but none of his predictions about a vote to Leave came true so he ran away to work as an editor at the London Evening Standard instead. Mark Carney at the Bank of England should also perhaps consider a career move as most of his forecasts about a vote to leave in 2016 never happened either.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"just heard a prominent brexiteer who was arguing for a no-deal brexit on wto rules

after having it explained to him that under wto rules welsh sheep farmers would face a 40% tariff which would drive them out of business

responded with the well thought out argument that he was sure everything would be all right

and these are the sort of hands we are inWe will have cheaper lamb in this country because it will not be exported so much.

YOu are just very negative so sad

They won't "refuse" to buy anything as long as it's certified. It will just cost much more due to the tariffs so they're likely to buy less.

Why do you think that farmers sell more into the EU than the UK?

They get a better price. So poorer farmers or we pay more #Brexitwin

So, what will the consequences be to unilaterally reducing all tariffs to zero as Minford suggests?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

All of which will be wrapped in non-EU packaging and stamped: “Not to be fed to trolls”

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"just heard a prominent brexiteer who was arguing for a no-deal brexit on wto rules

after having it explained to him that under wto rules welsh sheep farmers would face a 40% tariff which would drive them out of business

responded with the well thought out argument that he was sure everything would be all right

and these are the sort of hands we are inWe will have cheaper lamb in this country because it will not be exported so much.

YOu are just very negative so sad

They won't "refuse" to buy anything as long as it's certified. It will just cost much more due to the tariffs so they're likely to buy less.

Why do you think that farmers sell more into the EU than the UK?

They get a better price. So poorer farmers or we pay more #Brexitwin

So, what will the consequences be to unilaterally reducing all tariffs to zero as Minford suggests?"

Again you're forgetting (or deliberately leaving out) the drop in the value of the pound which makes UK products and exports more competitive in global markets (including the EU). So when you factor in increased tariffs against the drop in the value of the pound they offset each other and cancel each other out in many areas.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"just heard a prominent brexiteer who was arguing for a no-deal brexit on wto rules

after having it explained to him that under wto rules welsh sheep farmers would face a 40% tariff which would drive them out of business

responded with the well thought out argument that he was sure everything would be all right

and these are the sort of hands we are inWe will have cheaper lamb in this country because it will not be exported so much.

YOu are just very negative so sad

They won't "refuse" to buy anything as long as it's certified. It will just cost much more due to the tariffs so they're likely to buy less.

Why do you think that farmers sell more into the EU than the UK?

They get a better price. So poorer farmers or we pay more #Brexitwin

So, what will the consequences be to unilaterally reducing all tariffs to zero as Minford suggests?

Hurrah. So we get tarrifs and exchange rate inflation?

Assuming the pound does drop (your YouTube vid only says if)

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Lower £ means higher import prices.

Add tariffs on top.

Most of our food is imported.

Hello supermarket inflation.

The gift that keeps on giving - Brekshit Britain.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Lower £ means higher import prices.

Add tariffs on top.

Most of our food is imported.

Hello supermarket inflation.

The gift that keeps on giving - Brekshit Britain."

Thought the discussion was about uk produced food? We don't import food from the EU to sell it back to the EU.

UK food produce originates here in the UK, crops grown here in uk soil from seeds, animal produce born here in the UK and fed on UK produced animal feed. Explain where you are getting your import tariff from on UK grown crops and UK born and reared livestock and UK caught fish?

Wasn't the remainer argument a few weeks ago that Brexit would cause a shortage of food in UK Supermarkets we wouldn't be able to import as much from the EU. Logic follows this would open up space on UK supermarket shelves for more UK food produce to be sold domestically and locally here in the UK without the need to export as much.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"just heard a prominent brexiteer who was arguing for a no-deal brexit on wto rules

after having it explained to him that under wto rules welsh sheep farmers would face a 40% tariff which would drive them out of business

responded with the well thought out argument that he was sure everything would be all right

and these are the sort of hands we are inWe will have cheaper lamb in this country because it will not be exported so much.

YOu are just very negative so sad

They won't "refuse" to buy anything as long as it's certified. It will just cost much more due to the tariffs so they're likely to buy less.

Why do you think that farmers sell more into the EU than the UK?

They get a better price. So poorer farmers or we pay more #Brexitwin

So, what will the consequences be to unilaterally reducing all tariffs to zero as Minford suggests?

What about imports and the reduced value of the pound

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Imports & lower pound value hammers the poor the most.

Not just on about UK grown food, everything in general imported is worse off through your championed low pound value.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Britain does not produce enough to feed itself.

No doubt half-portions will help the obesity crisis.

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By *heislanderMan
over a year ago

cheshunt

"just heard a prominent brexiteer who was arguing for a no-deal brexit on wto rules

after having it explained to him that under wto rules welsh sheep farmers would face a 40% tariff which would drive them out of business

responded with the well thought out argument that he was sure everything would be all right

and these are the sort of hands we are in"

Should we not stop importing New Zealand lamb then ?

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"just heard a prominent brexiteer who was arguing for a no-deal brexit on wto rules

after having it explained to him that under wto rules welsh sheep farmers would face a 40% tariff which would drive them out of business

responded with the well thought out argument that he was sure everything would be all right

and these are the sort of hands we are inWe will have cheaper lamb in this country because it will not be exported so much.

YOu are just very negative so sad

They won't "refuse" to buy anything as long as it's certified. It will just cost much more due to the tariffs so they're likely to buy less.

Why do you think that farmers sell more into the EU than the UK?

They get a better price. So poorer farmers or we pay more #Brexitwin

So, what will the consequences be to unilaterally reducing all tariffs to zero as Minford suggests?

The UK trade deficit has been rising since the Brexit vote, primarily due to the weakness of the currency. Tariffs will add further inflation meaning that our money doesn't go as far.

The cost of imported raw materials and components also rise so profit margins for exporters cut into any currency gain.

What will the consequences be to unilaterally reducing all tariffs to zero as Minford suggests?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bananas.

A fruit that is not produced in the EU and so therefore come from outside of it.

Currently, these are subject to tarrifs, which are collected by the UK government and passed to the EU.

After brexit, tarrifs will no longer apply to such items and so will become cheaper.

The EU is all about protectionism.

Many harp on about the threat to jobs.

I remember a time when Ford Motor Company used to build cars in this country.

In 2013, production of the last vehicle they built here, the Transit, was moved to Turkey - incentivised by subsidies from the EU.

So please tell me again how good the EU is at protecting jobs in our country

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Bananas.

A fruit that is not produced in the EU and so therefore come from outside of it.

Currently, these are subject to tarrifs, which are collected by the UK government and passed to the EU.

After brexit, tarrifs will no longer apply to such items and so will become cheaper.

The EU is all about protectionism.

Many harp on about the threat to jobs.

I remember a time when Ford Motor Company used to build cars in this country.

In 2013, production of the last vehicle they built here, the Transit, was moved to Turkey - incentivised by subsidies from the EU.

So please tell me again how good the EU is at protecting jobs in our country"

Really? What do they grow on Tenerife and the Canary Islands then?

Ford got £400 million of subsidies from the UK but went to Turkey for £100 million?

Please tell me again if your information bubble is any bigger than Centaur's?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bananas.

A fruit that is not produced in the EU and so therefore come from outside of it.

Currently, these are subject to tarrifs, which are collected by the UK government and passed to the EU.

After brexit, tarrifs will no longer apply to such items and so will become cheaper.

The EU is all about protectionism.

Many harp on about the threat to jobs.

I remember a time when Ford Motor Company used to build cars in this country.

In 2013, production of the last vehicle they built here, the Transit, was moved to Turkey - incentivised by subsidies from the EU.

So please tell me again how good the EU is at protecting jobs in our country"

Except many banana producing countries fall under EBA

And arent we copying and pasting the EUs WTO tariffs.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"just heard a prominent brexiteer who was arguing for a no-deal brexit on wto rules

after having it explained to him that under wto rules welsh sheep farmers would face a 40% tariff which would drive them out of business

responded with the well thought out argument that he was sure everything would be all right

and these are the sort of hands we are inWe will have cheaper lamb in this country because it will not be exported so much.

YOu are just very negative so sad"

Brilliant

We are a net exporter of lamb, this means we produce more than we consume.

Lamb prices (to the farmer) are kept buoyant by the demand from Europe.

Sheep are largely farmed on land that isn't suitable for anything else - party because they thrive there and party because they aren't worth much (upland breed type lambs probably about £40-50/head, big domestic market lambs £60-70).

Given this, expect a lot of sheep farmers to go bust if tarriffs are charged on lamb exports.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"just heard a prominent brexiteer who was arguing for a no-deal brexit on wto rules

after having it explained to him that under wto rules welsh sheep farmers would face a 40% tariff which would drive them out of business

responded with the well thought out argument that he was sure everything would be all right

and these are the sort of hands we are inWe will have cheaper lamb in this country because it will not be exported so much.

YOu are just very negative so sad

Brilliant

We are a net exporter of lamb, this means we produce more than we consume.

Lamb prices (to the farmer) are kept buoyant by the demand from Europe.

Given this, expect a lot of sheep farmers to go bust if tarriffs are charged on lamb exports."

No. Don't be silly. Nothing is predictable. In fact, it's not even worth thinking about it.

We'll muddle through and after a "short" period if "adjustment" everything will be "fine"...or something like that.

Anyway, "take our country back", "take back control", "the war" and other conclusive arguments

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bananas.

A fruit that is not produced in the EU and so therefore come from outside of it.

Currently, these are subject to tarrifs, which are collected by the UK government and passed to the EU.

After brexit, tarrifs will no longer apply to such items and so will become cheaper.

The EU is all about protectionism.

Many harp on about the threat to jobs.

I remember a time when Ford Motor Company used to build cars in this country.

In 2013, production of the last vehicle they built here, the Transit, was moved to Turkey - incentivised by subsidies from the EU.

So please tell me again how good the EU is at protecting jobs in our country

Really? What do they grow on Tenerife and the Canary Islands then?

Ford got £400 million of subsidies from the UK but went to Turkey for £100 million?

Please tell me again if your information bubble is any bigger than Centaur's?"

Nothing more nothing less

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" It surely selling their lamb here in the uk would then be more profitable?

We are going to end up lamb being out only meat... I’m sure we’re net importers of most other meat. "

Yes because some farmers are concentrating on higher priced types of beef like wagyu and the like because they can command higher prices for it!

and then we have to import beef from outside.

I’m not a veggie but do believe we eat too much meat anyways so should all grow a little veg ourselves

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"just heard a prominent brexiteer who was arguing for a no-deal brexit on wto rules

after having it explained to him that under wto rules welsh sheep farmers would face a 40% tariff which would drive them out of business

responded with the well thought out argument that he was sure everything would be all right

and these are the sort of hands we are inWe will have cheaper lamb in this country because it will not be exported so much.

YOu are just very negative so sad

They won't "refuse" to buy anything as long as it's certified. It will just cost much more due to the tariffs so they're likely to buy less.

Why do you think that farmers sell more into the EU than the UK?

They get a better price. So poorer farmers or we pay more #Brexitwin

So, what will the consequences be to unilaterally reducing all tariffs to zero as Minford suggests?

So if we ensure the pound falls as much as possible in value, everyone will be all the richer, surely! Quids in, Brexits a winner

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Lower £ means higher import prices.

Add tariffs on top.

Most of our food is imported.

Hello supermarket inflation.

The gift that keeps on giving - Brekshit Britain.

Thought the discussion was about uk produced food? We don't import food from the EU to sell it back to the EU.

You do know that most UK fishing quota’s were legitimately sold by UK fishermen to EU fishing fleets. Taking back our waters means ‘stealing’ someone elses legitimate rights. You are so simplistic about everything - this is not like playing Age of Empires

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

We don't grow enough food because fields lie empty because of the eu set aside rules .....thats why we now grow yellow seed everywhere because it gets great eu price guarantees....and is easy for lazy farmers ....in there new range rovers who claim to be so poor ....poor farmers give me a break

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex & Bridgend

"Bananas.

A fruit that is not produced in the EU and so therefore come from outside of it.

Currently, these are subject to tarrifs, which are collected by the UK government and passed to the EU.

After brexit, tarrifs will no longer apply to such items and so will become cheaper.

The EU is all about protectionism.

Many harp on about the threat to jobs.

I remember a time when Ford Motor Company used to build cars in this country.

In 2013, production of the last vehicle they built here, the Transit, was moved to Turkey - incentivised by subsidies from the EU.

So please tell me again how good the EU is at protecting jobs in our country"

Do you ever read the labels on the fresh produce counters?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't care if your for or against Brexit but look how the EU are handling the protesters in France. People being beaten shot and gased, but no coverage because the EU has put a D notice on it.

Is this a club you want to be a member of ????

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Don't care if your for or against Brexit but look how the EU are handling the protesters in France. People being beaten shot and gased, but no coverage because the EU has put a D notice on it.

Is this a club you want to be a member of ????"

What are you talking about?

The EU can't suppress press reporting.

What conspiracy club are you in?

A little bit of evidence might help...

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Don't care if your for or against Brexit but look how the EU are handling the protesters in France. People being beaten shot and gased, but no coverage because the EU has put a D notice on it.

Is this a club you want to be a member of ????"

You can’t make this stuff up....

Ah.......

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Don't care if your for or against Brexit but look how the EU are handling the protesters in France. People being beaten shot and gased, but no coverage because the EU has put a D notice on it.

Is this a club you want to be a member of ????"

Care to share where you saw this startling news?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did the vast majority of farmers voted leave?

I'd like to se the leave voters lose what they have then say " you won, get over it"

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"Don't care if your for or against Brexit but look how the EU are handling the protesters in France. People being beaten shot and gased, but no coverage because the EU has put a D notice on it.

Is this a club you want to be a member of ????

What are you talking about?

The EU can't suppress press reporting.

What conspiracy club are you in?

A little bit of evidence might help..."

I believe the D- Notice is our government to the BBC.

There's plenty of coverage on the web though

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"Did the vast majority of farmers voted leave?

I'd like to se the leave voters lose what they have then say " you won, get over it" "

I think, like everyone else, they were split. However, they are not naive enough to not know where the subsidy was coming from. A lot took land back in hand just to cover themselves- I sold up because finding land to rent became impossible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Did the vast majority of farmers voted leave?

I'd like to se the leave voters lose what they have then say " you won, get over it"

Do you think they had a view in tarrifs, vet checks, and WTO? It seems headlines about farmers are always about subsidies, and not the other details of trade.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"Did the vast majority of farmers voted leave?

I'd like to se the leave voters lose what they have then say " you won, get over it"

Do you think they had a view in tarrifs, vet checks, and WTO? It seems headlines about farmers are always about subsidies, and not the other details of trade. "

Of course, it's their business. The sheep sector especially is worried about tarriffs. Beef and Pig guys are wondering if prices might rise (cheap non EU imports notwithstanding).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Did the vast majority of farmers voted leave?

I'd like to se the leave voters lose what they have then say " you won, get over it"

Do you think they had a view in tarrifs, vet checks, and WTO? It seems headlines about farmers are always about subsidies, and not the other details of trade.

Of course, it's their business. The sheep sector especially is worried about tarriffs. Beef and Pig guys are wondering if prices might rise (cheap non EU imports notwithstanding)."

Do you think they worried at the time ? I couldn’t ever quite see why farmers were so leave positive ... the upside seemed quite low ...

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By *agermeisterMan
over a year ago

Leeds

So boiled beef and carrots? No avacados though.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"Did the vast majority of farmers voted leave?

I'd like to se the leave voters lose what they have then say " you won, get over it"

Do you think they had a view in tarrifs, vet checks, and WTO? It seems headlines about farmers are always about subsidies, and not the other details of trade.

Of course, it's their business. The sheep sector especially is worried about tarriffs. Beef and Pig guys are wondering if prices might rise (cheap non EU imports notwithstanding).

Do you think they worried at the time ? I couldn’t ever quite see why farmers were so leave positive ... the upside seemed quite low ..."

I wondered this too. I thought it would be a sector that would be quite aware of a lot of the ins and outs of import and export and the likes.

Only explanation I came up with was the stereotype of the rich barbour-jacket wearing Tory farmer with his land rover, collies and shotgun over his arm. With the typical Tory attitude to the world. But I'm aware that is likely not an accurate representation of the farming industry.

-Matt

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"Did the vast majority of farmers voted leave?

I'd like to se the leave voters lose what they have then say " you won, get over it"

Do you think they had a view in tarrifs, vet checks, and WTO? It seems headlines about farmers are always about subsidies, and not the other details of trade.

Of course, it's their business. The sheep sector especially is worried about tarriffs. Beef and Pig guys are wondering if prices might rise (cheap non EU imports notwithstanding).

Do you think they worried at the time ? I couldn’t ever quite see why farmers were so leave positive ... the upside seemed quite low ...

I wondered this too. I thought it would be a sector that would be quite aware of a lot of the ins and outs of import and export and the likes.

-Matt"

Those people claim hundreds of thousands in subsidy. They are unlikely to be wanting to vote that money away. Let's not forget that there's a very strong pro remain Tory faction.

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex & Bridgend

"We don't grow enough food because fields lie empty because of the eu set aside rules .....thats why we now grow yellow seed everywhere because it gets great eu price guarantees....and is easy for lazy farmers ....in there new range rovers who claim to be so poor ....poor farmers give me a break"

We havent been entirely food self sufficient for over 100 years. We currently produce 60% of our food and import the rest. Blaming lazy farmers and EU policies is, at best, deluded

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex & Bridgend

"Did the vast majority of farmers voted leave?

I'd like to se the leave voters lose what they have then say " you won, get over it"

Do you think they had a view in tarrifs, vet checks, and WTO? It seems headlines about farmers are always about subsidies, and not the other details of trade.

Of course, it's their business. The sheep sector especially is worried about tarriffs. Beef and Pig guys are wondering if prices might rise (cheap non EU imports notwithstanding).

Do you think they worried at the time ? I couldn’t ever quite see why farmers were so leave positive ... the upside seemed quite low ...

I wondered this too. I thought it would be a sector that would be quite aware of a lot of the ins and outs of import and export and the likes.

-Matt

Those people claim hundreds of thousands in subsidy. They are unlikely to be wanting to vote that money away. Let's not forget that there's a very strong pro remain Tory faction. "

Strong leaver Dyson gets £2.8m a year for his farming land from the EU

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Did the vast majority of farmers voted leave?

I'd like to se the leave voters lose what they have then say " you won, get over it"

Do you think they had a view in tarrifs, vet checks, and WTO? It seems headlines about farmers are always about subsidies, and not the other details of trade.

Of course, it's their business. The sheep sector especially is worried about tarriffs. Beef and Pig guys are wondering if prices might rise (cheap non EU imports notwithstanding).

Do you think they worried at the time ? I couldn’t ever quite see why farmers were so leave positive ... the upside seemed quite low ..."

irony being where a lot of farmers did vote to leave.. everyone thought there would be some sort of "deal" in place... and the NFU, god bless them, have been advising people of this exact scenario happening for the last 2 years since the vote... and its only now that farmers are shitting themselves!!!!

and remember that under the brexiteers favourite economist, minford, UK farming is an expendable cost in the dream of they greater utopia

the scary thing is, fishermen think they have an axe to grind now.... buy if they get the quotas back and then realise that 80% of fish is actually sold to the EU, with the tariffs on them, they are going to have a lot of stock they are not going to be able to sell......

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over a year ago

Yet another remoaner thread started by someone who actually thinks he/she knows better than the majority who voted leave.

Bore the feck off!

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Yet another remoaner thread started by someone who actually thinks he/she knows better than the majority who voted leave.

Bore the feck off!"

Actually the OP just reported what was broadcast.

Do you not believe that they heard that or do you not believe that the tariff imposition would cause a problem for sheep farmers?

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex & Bridgend

"Yet another remoaner thread started by someone who actually thinks he/she knows better than the majority who voted leave.

Bore the feck off!"

Voting leave might make someone part of a majority. It clearly doesnt make them an expert

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"Don't care if your for or against Brexit but look how the EU are handling the protesters in France. People being beaten shot and gased, but no coverage because the EU has put a D notice on it.

Is this a club you want to be a member of ????"

Fake News.

What on earth are you reading or watching, to come to up with that tale?

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over a year ago

"Yet another remoaner thread started by someone who actually thinks he/she knows better than the majority who voted leave.

Bore the feck off!"

The majority you talk about wouldn't be enough to change a thing in a golf club.

It was no majority.

Hopefully you lose your job from your choice

The polls now show way more want to remain as the green grass has gone. The reality of being out of the eu has sunk in to most. It's not going to be good

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yet another remoaner thread started by someone who actually thinks he/she knows better than the majority who voted leave.

Bore the feck off!

Voting leave might make someone part of a majority. It clearly doesnt make them an expert"

Can't help but laugh when leave voters say the leader of the bank of England doesn't know what he is talking about

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yet another remoaner thread started by someone who actually thinks he/she knows better than the majority who voted leave.

Bore the feck off!"

Bandwagon fallacy.

Once upon a time the majority thought the world was flat and the sun revolves around the earth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yet another remoaner thread started by someone who actually thinks he/she knows better than the majority who voted leave.

Bore the feck off!

Voting leave might make someone part of a majority. It clearly doesnt make them an expert

Can't help but laugh when leave voters say the leader of the bank of England doesn't know what he is talking about

But apparently the ex governor of the Bank of England who didn’t forecast the financial crisis does know what he’s talking about.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Once upon a time the majority thought the world was flat and the sun revolves around the earth.

And you'd have been executed for even suggesting such a thing!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Yet another remoaner thread started by someone who actually thinks he/she knows better than the majority who voted leave.

Bore the feck off!"

So no actual thoughts on the Wto then which is odd given you've been pretty outspoken on the just walk away idea..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yet another remoaner thread started by someone who actually thinks he/she knows better than the majority who voted leave.

Bore the feck off!

So no actual thoughts on the Wto then which is odd given you've been pretty outspoken on the just walk away idea..?

So we will start with the WTO and our commonwealth. Then we will start involving ourselves in different trade deals with other nations. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the mighty EU itself asks us to trade with it!

The best part of seventy million people is a big market for any nation to go blacklisting. We start from the beginning and they will be competing with each other to do business with us.

That is the truth, whether the libtards believe it or not. Or whether some jumped up banker with a self interest in remaining says different. It doesn’t matter.

The truth will out. Either we get a betrayal, a soft (might well not have bothered) BREXIT, or we do what we should have done eighteen months ago and leave without a deal.

The people will know the truth about BREXIT, or the vermin who sold them a dream ten sold them out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yet another remoaner thread started by someone who actually thinks he/she knows better than the majority who voted leave.

Bore the feck off!

So no actual thoughts on the Wto then which is odd given you've been pretty outspoken on the just walk away idea..?

The best part of seventy million people is a big market for any nation to go blacklisting. We start from the beginning and they will be competing with each other to do business with us.

That is the truth, whether the libtards believe it or not. Or whether some jumped up banker with a self interest in remaining says different. It doesn’t matter.

The truth will out. Either we get a betrayal, a soft (might well not have bothered) BREXIT, or we do what we should have done eighteen months ago and leave without a deal.

The people will know the truth about BREXIT, or the vermin who sold them a dream ten sold them out."

And there you have the reason we are in this mess.

People so ignorant to the truth.

People with views like this are going to send the country down the pan.

Thanks a lot

But hey you will get your blue passport and those nasty foreigners will be gone

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Yet another remoaner thread started by someone who actually thinks he/she knows better than the majority who voted leave.

Bore the feck off!

So no actual thoughts on the Wto then which is odd given you've been pretty outspoken on the just walk away idea..?

The best part of seventy million people is a big market for any nation to go blacklisting. We start from the beginning and they will be competing with each other to do business with us.

That is the truth, whether the libtards believe it or not. Or whether some jumped up banker with a self interest in remaining says different. It doesn’t matter.

The truth will out. Either we get a betrayal, a soft (might well not have bothered) BREXIT, or we do what we should have done eighteen months ago and leave without a deal.

The people will know the truth about BREXIT, or the vermin who sold them a dream ten sold them out."

Clueless xenophobia and a ladling of ignorance..

Wake up..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yet another remoaner thread started by someone who actually thinks he/she knows better than the majority who voted leave.

Bore the feck off!

So no actual thoughts on the Wto then which is odd given you've been pretty outspoken on the just walk away idea..?

The best part of seventy million people is a big market for any nation to go blacklisting. We start from the beginning and they will be competing with each other to do business with us.

That is the truth, whether the libtards believe it or not. Or whether some jumped up banker with a self interest in remaining says different. It doesn’t matter.

The truth will out. Either we get a betrayal, a soft (might well not have bothered) BREXIT, or we do what we should have done eighteen months ago and leave without a deal.

The people will know the truth about BREXIT, or the vermin who sold them a dream ten sold them out.

And there you have the reason we are in this mess.

People so ignorant to the truth.

People with views like this are going to send the country down the pan.

Thanks a lot

But hey you will get your blue passport and those nasty foreigners will be gone "

Honestly they don’t care about ruining the country and taking away opportunities for young people. They’ve been sold so much bullshit about brown people coming over here and doing xyz or “sovereignty” or some such nonsense by the daily mail or the express, or Farage.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Yet another remoaner thread started by someone who actually thinks he/she knows better than the majority who voted leave.

Bore the feck off!

So no actual thoughts on the Wto then which is odd given you've been pretty outspoken on the just walk away idea..?

The best part of seventy million people is a big market for any nation to go blacklisting. We start from the beginning and they will be competing with each other to do business with us.

That is the truth, whether the libtards believe it or not. Or whether some jumped up banker with a self interest in remaining says different. It doesn’t matter.

The truth will out. Either we get a betrayal, a soft (might well not have bothered) BREXIT, or we do what we should have done eighteen months ago and leave without a deal.

The people will know the truth about BREXIT, or the vermin who sold them a dream ten sold them out."

Arrogance.

We will eventually get trade deals with everyone. Eventually. Most of them replicating agreements that we already have. Others negotiated from a position of weakness compared to being in the EU.

In the meantime we all suffer.

Are you able to actually explain what the consequences of trading solely on WTO terms will be?

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex & Bridgend

"Yet another remoaner thread started by someone who actually thinks he/she knows better than the majority who voted leave.

Bore the feck off!

So no actual thoughts on the Wto then which is odd given you've been pretty outspoken on the just walk away idea..?

The best part of seventy million people is a big market for any nation to go blacklisting. We start from the beginning and they will be competing with each other to do business with us.

That is the truth, whether the libtards believe it or not. Or whether some jumped up banker with a self interest in remaining says different. It doesn’t matter.

The truth will out. Either we get a betrayal, a soft (might well not have bothered) BREXIT, or we do what we should have done eighteen months ago and leave without a deal.

The people will know the truth about BREXIT, or the vermin who sold them a dream ten sold them out.

Arrogance.

We will eventually get trade deals with everyone. Eventually. Most of them replicating agreements that we already have. Others negotiated from a position of weakness compared to being in the EU.

In the meantime we all suffer.

Are you able to actually explain what the consequences of trading solely on WTO terms will be?"

Don't be daft. Of course he hasnt a clue what he's talking about. Even our own politicians are clueless about WTO and have to keep being reminded that their cunning WTO plan wont work. hey ho, splenetic rantings appear to be the new go to position: if in doubt start ranting, raving and referencing the war

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"just heard a prominent brexiteer who was arguing for a no-deal brexit on wto rules

after having it explained to him that under wto rules welsh sheep farmers would face a 40% tariff which would drive them out of business

responded with the well thought out argument that he was sure everything would be all right

and these are the sort of hands we are inWe will have cheaper lamb in this country because it will not be exported so much.

YOu are just very negative so sad

I’m starting to think you don’t understand much about what’s going on."
Oh yes I do but I use my brain to and not just soak stuff like a sponge.Sometimes I think my independent thinking scares some people.My point above is from two small butchers where I shop,I support local shops when I can and respect the shop owners views

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Yet another remoaner thread started by someone who actually thinks he/she knows better than the majority who voted leave.

Bore the feck off!

Voting leave might make someone part of a majority. It clearly doesnt make them an expert

Can't help but laugh when leave voters say the leader of the bank of England doesn't know what he is talking about

"
Well he does not know everything you know and he works for the establishment not the people

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Don't care if your for or against Brexit but look how the EU are handling the protesters in France. People being beaten shot and gased, but no coverage because the EU has put a D notice on it.

Is this a club you want to be a member of ????"
No

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Don't care if your for or against Brexit but look how the EU are handling the protesters in France. People being beaten shot and gased, but no coverage because the EU has put a D notice on it.

Is this a club you want to be a member of ????

Fake News.

What on earth are you reading or watching, to come to up with that tale?

"
Not fake news

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Yet another remoaner thread started by someone who actually thinks he/she knows better than the majority who voted leave.

Bore the feck off!

So no actual thoughts on the Wto then which is odd given you've been pretty outspoken on the just walk away idea..?

The best part of seventy million people is a big market for any nation to go blacklisting. We start from the beginning and they will be competing with each other to do business with us.

That is the truth, whether the libtards believe it or not. Or whether some jumped up banker with a self interest in remaining says different. It doesn’t matter.

The truth will out. Either we get a betrayal, a soft (might well not have bothered) BREXIT, or we do what we should have done eighteen months ago and leave without a deal.

The people will know the truth about BREXIT, or the vermin who sold them a dream ten sold them out."

A couple of things.....

1) “our commonwealth”.... sorry, you are not seen as the motherland anymore

2) it is the likes of Australia, New Zealand and India that all objected to the proposed wto schedule in the first place

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"We will have cheaper lamb in this country because it will not be exported so much.

YOu are just very negative so sad

Have you considered a career as an economist?"
I studied economics and decided that it was a load of theoretical crap in the main although some is relevant but I would say less than 50% is to be taken seriously.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yet another remoaner thread started by someone who actually thinks he/she knows better than the majority who voted leave.

Bore the feck off!

So no actual thoughts on the Wto then which is odd given you've been pretty outspoken on the just walk away idea..?

The best part of seventy million people is a big market for any nation to go blacklisting. We start from the beginning and they will be competing with each other to do business with us.

That is the truth, whether the libtards believe it or not. Or whether some jumped up banker with a self interest in remaining says different. It doesn’t matter.

The truth will out. Either we get a betrayal, a soft (might well not have bothered) BREXIT, or we do what we should have done eighteen months ago and leave without a deal.

The people will know the truth about BREXIT, or the vermin who sold them a dream ten sold them out.

A couple of things.....

1) “our commonwealth”.... sorry, you are not seen as the motherland anymore

2) it is the likes of Australia, New Zealand and India that all objected to the proposed wto schedule in the first place

If 70 million is a lot to blacklist, what about 450m ?

Under WTO and MFN India (with cheaper labour costs) may feel the benefit of an FtA is not as great (as they should already be competitive). As such they may push for more (fom has been cited)

You’ve not answered how to solve for ireland.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"Don't care if your for or against Brexit but look how the EU are handling the protesters in France. People being beaten shot and gased, but no coverage because the EU has put a D notice on it.

Is this a club you want to be a member of ????

Fake News.

What on earth are you reading or watching, to come to up with that tale?

Not fake news"

Do you have sources? The op hasn't provided any, from a scan of the thread.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"Don't care if your for or against Brexit but look how the EU are handling the protesters in France. People being beaten shot and gased, but no coverage because the EU has put a D notice on it.

Is this a club you want to be a member of ????

Fake News.

What on earth are you reading or watching, to come to up with that tale?

Not fake news"

The EU has sod all to do with domestic politics in France.

It has sod all to do with domestic policing in France.

D notices are a tool used rarely by the UK Government to curb public knowledge of something.

You really cannot expect anyone to take your post seriously unless you cite credible sources.

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex & Bridgend

"Don't care if your for or against Brexit but look how the EU are handling the protesters in France. People being beaten shot and gased, but no coverage because the EU has put a D notice on it.

Is this a club you want to be a member of ????

Fake News.

What on earth are you reading or watching, to come to up with that tale?

Not fake news

The EU has sod all to do with domestic politics in France.

It has sod all to do with domestic policing in France.

D notices are a tool used rarely by the UK Government to curb public knowledge of something.

You really cannot expect anyone to take your post seriously unless you cite credible sources."

There are no credible sources because it's a figment of the imagination

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yet another remoaner thread started by someone who actually thinks he/she knows better than the majority who voted leave.

Bore the feck off!

So no actual thoughts on the Wto then which is odd given you've been pretty outspoken on the just walk away idea..?

The best part of seventy million people is a big market for any nation to go blacklisting. We start from the beginning and they will be competing with each other to do business with us.

That is the truth, whether the libtards believe it or not. Or whether some jumped up banker with a self interest in remaining says different. It doesn’t matter.

The truth will out. Either we get a betrayal, a soft (might well not have bothered) BREXIT, or we do what we should have done eighteen months ago and leave without a deal.

The people will know the truth about BREXIT, or the vermin who sold them a dream ten sold them out.

Clueless xenophobia and a ladling of ignorance..

Wake up.. "

Exactly where is the ‘xenophobia’ in that post? You make this shit up as you go along. But hey, the post is still there in the quotes, enlighten us all, point to the bloody xenophobia. Go on!

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Yet another remoaner thread started by someone who actually thinks he/she knows better than the majority who voted leave.

Bore the feck off!

So no actual thoughts on the Wto then which is odd given you've been pretty outspoken on the just walk away idea..?

The best part of seventy million people is a big market for any nation to go blacklisting. We start from the beginning and they will be competing with each other to do business with us.

That is the truth, whether the libtards believe it or not. Or whether some jumped up banker with a self interest in remaining says different. It doesn’t matter.

The truth will out. Either we get a betrayal, a soft (might well not have bothered) BREXIT, or we do what we should have done eighteen months ago and leave without a deal.

The people will know the truth about BREXIT, or the vermin who sold them a dream ten sold them out.

Clueless xenophobia and a ladling of ignorance..

Wake up..

Exactly where is the ‘xenophobia’ in that post? You make this shit up as you go along. But hey, the post is still there in the quotes, enlighten us all, point to the bloody xenophobia. Go on!"

Maybe it is the general pattern of your posts? Anti Germanic, Anti Eu, denial of facts, regurgitating right-wing alt facts - you know... Your usual fare.

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

Many harp on about the threat to jobs.

I remember a time when Ford Motor Company used to build cars in this country.

In 2013, production of the last vehicle they built here, the Transit, was moved to Turkey - incentivised by subsidies from the EU.

So please tell me again how good the EU is at protecting jobs in our country"

The Ford thing is not true - just saying. It was deliberately conflated at the time of the Referendum. Ford got a loan from the EIB (admittedly, an EU institution), but it was not a subsidy to relocate, which was a business decision (why would the EU pay for jobs to me moved out of the EU? Turkey's not a member!).

To put it in perspective, the EIB lent around £6bn inside the UK in the same year it gave the loan to Ford.

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

"Don't care if your for or against Brexit but look how the EU are handling the protesters in France. People being beaten shot and gased, but no coverage because the EU has put a D notice on it.

Is this a club you want to be a member of ????"

Oh god. I despair. As others have said, the D-Notice system is UK-only, nothing to do with the EU.

And the EU isn't "handling" the protests in France. That would be the French police, reporting to French politicians. In exactly the same way the EU would not be in charge of any response to public disorder in the UK...

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Yet another remoaner thread started by someone who actually thinks he/she knows better than the majority who voted leave.

Bore the feck off!

So no actual thoughts on the Wto then which is odd given you've been pretty outspoken on the just walk away idea..?

The best part of seventy million people is a big market for any nation to go blacklisting. We start from the beginning and they will be competing with each other to do business with us.

That is the truth, whether the libtards believe it or not. Or whether some jumped up banker with a self interest in remaining says different. It doesn’t matter.

The truth will out. Either we get a betrayal, a soft (might well not have bothered) BREXIT, or we do what we should have done eighteen months ago and leave without a deal.

The people will know the truth about BREXIT, or the vermin who sold them a dream ten sold them out.

Clueless xenophobia and a ladling of ignorance..

Wake up..

Exactly where is the ‘xenophobia’ in that post? You make this shit up as you go along. But hey, the post is still there in the quotes, enlighten us all, point to the bloody xenophobia. Go on!"

The xenophobia is reference to yourself, your postings consistently are of that ilk..

You come across as fabs own alf garnet fella..

Care to explain just how quickly we can set up trade deals on a global basis under the Wto..?

Be pretty interested to see your thinking on the Commonwealth too, what will he the effects on cost to consumers say if we are buying peppers and tomatoes eg from..?

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"Did the vast majority of farmers voted leave?

I'd like to se the leave voters lose what they have then say " you won, get over it"

Do you think they had a view in tarrifs, vet checks, and WTO? It seems headlines about farmers are always about subsidies, and not the other details of trade.

Of course, it's their business. The sheep sector especially is worried about tarriffs. Beef and Pig guys are wondering if prices might rise (cheap non EU imports notwithstanding).

Do you think they worried at the time ? I couldn’t ever quite see why farmers were so leave positive ... the upside seemed quite low ...

and remember that under the brexiteers favourite economist, minford, UK farming is an expendable cost in the dream of they greater utopia

Thanks non-farmer, for telling me (a farmer) what farmers think.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Just saw a UK wine producer on BBC news at 6. He said he's not scared of a no deal brexit and would relish the challenge. Fewer foreign wines on UK shelves opens up the market for him, and it's UK producer's like his business which will fill gaps in uk shelves. I'd be more worried as an EU business looking at potential fall in their share of UK trade after Brexit.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Just saw a UK wine producer on BBC news at 6. He said he's not scared of a no deal brexit and would relish the challenge. Fewer foreign wines on UK shelves opens up the market for him, and it's UK producer's like his business which will fill gaps in uk shelves. I'd be more worried as an EU business looking at potential fall in their share of UK trade after Brexit. "

They can't produce anything like enough to fill the "gaps". It's not geographically, biologically or environmentally possible to grow wines or ramp up production for years in areas where they could.

It's certainly not bad news for the tiny number of UK vineyards but the reality is that prices will just go up for everybody because wine will still be bought and choice will fall.

This is it? The sum total of your business benefit from Brexit?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

They can't produce anything like enough to fill the "gaps". It's not geographically, biologically or environmentally possible to grow wines or ramp up production for years in areas where they could.

It's certainly not bad news for the tiny number of UK vineyards but the reality is that prices will just go up for everybody because wine will still be bought and choice will fall.

This is it? The sum total of your business benefit from Brexit?"
If its wine you are worried about nz,australia,chile all make good wine just as good as spanish,french and german.Wouldnt worry to much.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

They can't produce anything like enough to fill the "gaps". It's not geographically, biologically or environmentally possible to grow wines or ramp up production for years in areas where they could.

It's certainly not bad news for the tiny number of UK vineyards but the reality is that prices will just go up for everybody because wine will still be bought and choice will fall.

This is it? The sum total of your business benefit from Brexit?If its wine you are worried about nz,australia,chile all make good wine just as good as spanish,french and german.Wouldnt worry to much."

Always the breezy answer. They do something that's "good enough" somewhere else.

The EU has a free trade del with Chile so costs would rise.

With standard WTO tariffs we just have reduced choice and competition.

Not just wine. Everything else too.

UK spirits would lose all of their international trade access. They were just about to access the very lucrative Japanese market.

UK wines would have the same problem. Surrendering a free trade area extending beyond the EU for the tiny UK market.

#Brexit win

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

They can't produce anything like enough to fill the "gaps". It's not geographically, biologically or environmentally possible to grow wines or ramp up production for years in areas where they could.

It's certainly not bad news for the tiny number of UK vineyards but the reality is that prices will just go up for everybody because wine will still be bought and choice will fall.

This is it? The sum total of your business benefit from Brexit?If its wine you are worried about nz,australia,chile all make good wine just as good as spanish,french and german.Wouldnt worry to much.

Always the breezy answer. They do something that's "good enough" somewhere else.

The EU has a free trade del with Chile so costs would rise.

With standard WTO tariffs we just have reduced choice and competition.

Not just wine. Everything else too.

UK spirits would lose all of their international trade access. They were just about to access the very lucrative Japanese market.

UK wines would have the same problem. Surrendering a free trade area extending beyond the EU for the tiny UK market.

#Brexit win

"
The uk is the worlds 5th economic power do you not think these countries wont be queuing up to do deals.When one door closes another opens.People all over the world will still want scotch whisky sounds like another airplanes wont fly story to me.Do you really believe no one will want to access the uk market because we had the audacity to leave the eu,get real.

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

They can't produce anything like enough to fill the "gaps". It's not geographically, biologically or environmentally possible to grow wines or ramp up production for years in areas where they could.

It's certainly not bad news for the tiny number of UK vineyards but the reality is that prices will just go up for everybody because wine will still be bought and choice will fall.

This is it? The sum total of your business benefit from Brexit?If its wine you are worried about nz,australia,chile all make good wine just as good as spanish,french and german.Wouldnt worry to much.

Always the breezy answer. They do something that's "good enough" somewhere else.

The EU has a free trade del with Chile so costs would rise.

With standard WTO tariffs we just have reduced choice and competition.

Not just wine. Everything else too.

UK spirits would lose all of their international trade access. They were just about to access the very lucrative Japanese market.

UK wines would have the same problem. Surrendering a free trade area extending beyond the EU for the tiny UK market.

#Brexit win

The uk is the worlds 5th economic power do you not think these countries wont be queuing up to do deals.When one door closes another opens.People all over the world will still want scotch whisky sounds like another airplanes wont fly story to me.Do you really believe no one will want to access the uk market because we had the audacity to leave the eu,get real."

Do you really believe we will be better off leaving..., get real!

Of course we will survive, but the promise was ‘a land of milk & honey’, and not ‘gruel & water’ - staying would be a way better proposition

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

They can't produce anything like enough to fill the "gaps". It's not geographically, biologically or environmentally possible to grow wines or ramp up production for years in areas where they could.

It's certainly not bad news for the tiny number of UK vineyards but the reality is that prices will just go up for everybody because wine will still be bought and choice will fall.

This is it? The sum total of your business benefit from Brexit?If its wine you are worried about nz,australia,chile all make good wine just as good as spanish,french and german.Wouldnt worry to much.

Always the breezy answer. They do something that's "good enough" somewhere else.

The EU has a free trade del with Chile so costs would rise.

With standard WTO tariffs we just have reduced choice and competition.

Not just wine. Everything else too.

UK spirits would lose all of their international trade access. They were just about to access the very lucrative Japanese market.

UK wines would have the same problem. Surrendering a free trade area extending beyond the EU for the tiny UK market.

#Brexit win

We will get trade deals. How long?

In the meantime our sales dry up and people are laid off and companies close. Some may be sold off. Some may reopen. Some may not.

We will be able to by most things but it will cost us more.

You can keep pretending that it's no problem but it it will be.

50 years down the line we may have got back to the same place. Until then things get worse.

You, like all other leavers cannot bring yourselves to list what the downsides are, who they will effect or for how long.

You keep pretending that "nobody knows".

Unless you have made some vague attempt to assess the downside risks that you cannot claim under any circumstances that leaving the EU is a good idea.

Vague "Brexit". Vague future.

What a ridiculous thing to ask anyone to get behind.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

But there are no downsides to Brexit, only upsides. We hold all the cards, remember?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

#Brexit win

Leave without settling our bill and you may find that countries committed to upholding a rules-based approach may be less enthusiastic than you imagine. The world’s 2nd largest economy certainly won’t be queuing up, that’s for sure.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

They can't produce anything like enough to fill the "gaps". It's not geographically, biologically or environmentally possible to grow wines or ramp up production for years in areas where they could.

It's certainly not bad news for the tiny number of UK vineyards but the reality is that prices will just go up for everybody because wine will still be bought and choice will fall.

This is it? The sum total of your business benefit from Brexit?If its wine you are worried about nz,australia,chile all make good wine just as good as spanish,french and german.Wouldnt worry to much.

Always the breezy answer. They do something that's "good enough" somewhere else.

The EU has a free trade del with Chile so costs would rise.

With standard WTO tariffs we just have reduced choice and competition.

Not just wine. Everything else too.

UK spirits would lose all of their international trade access. They were just about to access the very lucrative Japanese market.

UK wines would have the same problem. Surrendering a free trade area extending beyond the EU for the tiny UK market.

#Brexit win

We will get trade deals. How long?

In the meantime our sales dry up and people are laid off and companies close. Some may be sold off. Some may reopen. Some may not.

We will be able to by most things but it will cost us more.

You can keep pretending that it's no problem but it it will be.

50 years down the line we may have got back to the same place. Until then things get worse.

You, like all other leavers cannot bring yourselves to list what the downsides are, who they will effect or for how long.

You keep pretending that "nobody knows".

Unless you have made some vague attempt to assess the downside risks that you cannot claim under any circumstances that leaving the EU is a good idea.

Vague "Brexit". Vague future.

What a ridiculous thing to ask anyone to get behind."
.What a doom and gloom merchant you are .

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By *ariahCouple
over a year ago

Whitchurch

"just heard a prominent brexiteer who was arguing for a no-deal brexit on wto rules

after having it explained to him that under wto rules welsh sheep farmers would face a 40% tariff which would drive them out of business

responded with the well thought out argument that he was sure everything would be all right

and these are the sort of hands we are inWe will have cheaper lamb in this country because it will not be exported so much.

YOu are just very negative so sad"

No lamb price will go up farmers will not produce with out a market. We are already reducing production to maintain prices and not have to sell below production costs

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By *rMrsWestMidsCouple
over a year ago

Dudley

#Brexit win

If you don't legally owe the money there is no bill to pay!Do you not check your own bills before paying them, have you ever been charged more than you should have been or for something you didn't have? Or do you just pay up because you don't want to cause a scene!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

The 'you lost get over it' as a stock response from those who can't accept that a no deal will be a mess has changed into 'you lot are doom and gloom merchants'..

Coming next in the Brexiteers empty clichés will be yeah but Boris and nigel said it would be OK..

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"What a doom and gloom merchant you are .

okay... simple question for you..

what makes you think you are going to get as good a deal.. or a better deal... than the one you are walking away from?

I am genuinely interested......

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"What a doom and gloom merchant you are .

okay... simple question for you..

what makes you think you are going to get as good a deal.. or a better deal... than the one you are walking away from?

I am genuinely interested......"

I know..

A posh man with no idea what people who work for a living said so..

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Deluded ...u must be right as you the only one who is so clever ...boy you are brilliant..why u not giving your great experience to Mrs May..im sure you could help her out ....

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

They can't produce anything like enough to fill the "gaps". It's not geographically, biologically or environmentally possible to grow wines or ramp up production for years in areas where they could.

It's certainly not bad news for the tiny number of UK vineyards but the reality is that prices will just go up for everybody because wine will still be bought and choice will fall.

This is it? The sum total of your business benefit from Brexit?If its wine you are worried about nz,australia,chile all make good wine just as good as spanish,french and german.Wouldnt worry to much.

Always the breezy answer. They do something that's "good enough" somewhere else.

The EU has a free trade del with Chile so costs would rise.

With standard WTO tariffs we just have reduced choice and competition.

Not just wine. Everything else too.

UK spirits would lose all of their international trade access. They were just about to access the very lucrative Japanese market.

UK wines would have the same problem. Surrendering a free trade area extending beyond the EU for the tiny UK market.

#Brexit win

We will get trade deals. How long?

In the meantime our sales dry up and people are laid off and companies close. Some may be sold off. Some may reopen. Some may not.

We will be able to by most things but it will cost us more.

You can keep pretending that it's no problem but it it will be.

50 years down the line we may have got back to the same place. Until then things get worse.

You, like all other leavers cannot bring yourselves to list what the downsides are, who they will effect or for how long.

You keep pretending that "nobody knows".

Unless you have made some vague attempt to assess the downside risks that you cannot claim under any circumstances that leaving the EU is a good idea.

Vague "Brexit". Vague future.

What a ridiculous thing to ask anyone to get behind..What a doom and gloom merchant you are .

That's it?

Your basing the future of the country on positivity and unicorn dust.

If you were being sold a second hand car and the salesman said it will be fine, you wouldn't believe him. Why will Brexit turn out OK with even less of a guarantee?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

#Brexit win

a) you legally signed documents so you do have to pay.....

for example... if you told the bank you didn't want to pay your mortgage anymore... do you think they would accept that?

which leads to ....

b) if would cripple the UK's credit rating... and since we are a borrower, the interest rate on those would go up, the bond rates you would need to persuade people to lend you money would be higher... meaning all those infrustructure projects would cost more.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yet another remoaner thread started by someone who actually thinks he/she knows better than the majority who voted leave.

Bore the feck off!

So no actual thoughts on the Wto then which is odd given you've been pretty outspoken on the just walk away idea..?

The best part of seventy million people is a big market for any nation to go blacklisting. We start from the beginning and they will be competing with each other to do business with us.

That is the truth, whether the libtards believe it or not. Or whether some jumped up banker with a self interest in remaining says different. It doesn’t matter.

The truth will out. Either we get a betrayal, a soft (might well not have bothered) BREXIT, or we do what we should have done eighteen months ago and leave without a deal.

The people will know the truth about BREXIT, or the vermin who sold them a dream ten sold them out.

And there you have the reason we are in this mess.

People so ignorant to the truth.

People with views like this are going to send the country down the pan.

Thanks a lot

But hey you will get your blue passport and those nasty foreigners will be gone "
That's not what he said! This brexit is a chink of light that has been given to the people,we need to leave.This country needs to start thinking differently about 'its place' in the world. I don't see Norway or Sweden,Canada or Australia always involved in issues.Of course they assist in things sometimes discreetly I'm sure,but where always banging the drum out front.Take a breather Britain...and that may be part of the root of the brexit vote.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

They can't produce anything like enough to fill the "gaps". It's not geographically, biologically or environmentally possible to grow wines or ramp up production for years in areas where they could.

It's certainly not bad news for the tiny number of UK vineyards but the reality is that prices will just go up for everybody because wine will still be bought and choice will fall.

Wetherspoons pubs have already ditched EU wines and spirits, and changed to UK brands and brands from Australia, New Zealand and USA.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

#Brexit win

As you and other remoaners have been told many times before the likes of Donald Trump couldn't care less if we leave the EU without a deal and don't pay a bill. In fact he'd probably prefer we tell the EU exactly where they can stick the £39 billion.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

#Brexit win

Or to quote Boris Johnson, Donald Trump would tell the EU to "go whistle for it".

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Donald Trump? What’s that cretin got to do with this?

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Yet another remoaner thread started by someone who actually thinks he/she knows better than the majority who voted leave.

Bore the feck off!

So no actual thoughts on the Wto then which is odd given you've been pretty outspoken on the just walk away idea..?

The best part of seventy million people is a big market for any nation to go blacklisting. We start from the beginning and they will be competing with each other to do business with us.

That is the truth, whether the libtards believe it or not. Or whether some jumped up banker with a self interest in remaining says different. It doesn’t matter.

The truth will out. Either we get a betrayal, a soft (might well not have bothered) BREXIT, or we do what we should have done eighteen months ago and leave without a deal.

The people will know the truth about BREXIT, or the vermin who sold them a dream ten sold them out.

And there you have the reason we are in this mess.

People so ignorant to the truth.

People with views like this are going to send the country down the pan.

Thanks a lot

But hey you will get your blue passport and those nasty foreigners will be gone That's not what he said! This brexit is a chink of light that has been given to the people,we need to leave.This country needs to start thinking differently about 'its place' in the world. I don't see Norway or Sweden,Canada or Australia always involved in issues.Of course they assist in things sometimes discreetly I'm sure,but where always banging the drum out front.Take a breather Britain...and that may be part of the root of the brexit vote."

Sweden is in the EU and Norway is in EFTA.

I'm not sure that you're making much of a point.

Brexiteers are still banging the drum.

So you voted for a different Brexit?

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By *rench letterCouple
over a year ago

Chorley,

Yeah, he is like Mogg, Johnson and Farage all of them cretins.

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Donald Trump? What’s that cretin got to do with this?"

Isn’t he the one who left 800,000 workers with no pay just because he wanted to build a wall!? Starting with a lack of credibility & using Trump to justify it just shows the paucity of their arguments - sorry I mean lies...

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Donald Trump? What’s that cretin got to do with this?"

Freudian slip perhaps..

Mexico is going to pay for the wall..

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

If there is one person more unpopular in the UK than the EU, it’s Trump.

We really are into Alice in Wonderland if that’s our new best friend.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

They can't produce anything like enough to fill the "gaps". It's not geographically, biologically or environmentally possible to grow wines or ramp up production for years in areas where they could.

It's certainly not bad news for the tiny number of UK vineyards but the reality is that prices will just go up for everybody because wine will still be bought and choice will fall.

This is it? The sum total of your business benefit from Brexit?If its wine you are worried about nz,australia,chile all make good wine just as good as spanish,french and german.Wouldnt worry to much.

Wetherspoons pubs have already ditched EU wines and spirits, and changed to UK brands and brands from Australia, New Zealand and USA.

...and Fullers has been sold to the Japanese.

Does that make them traitors or a shining example of foreign investment in the UK? Perhaps just asset stripping

What useless point are you making.

This proves that one pub chain hardly known for the quality of anything let alone wine can substitute low quality European stuff with low quality stuff from further away?

Not even a micro-victory by your low standards.

#Brexitwin

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

#Brexit win

Or to quote Boris Johnson, Donaldson Trump would tell the EU to "go whistle for it".

So you want us to be Trump's poodle?

#Brexitwin

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

#Brexit win

That's because he's a dishonest multiple failed businessmen who inherited his money and doesn't pay his debts to honest suppliers.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Donald Trump? What’s that cretin got to do with this?"

Quite a lot actually. You're the one peddling the false narrative here that if we leave the EU without a deal and refuse to settle a divorce bill, no one else in the world will trust us enough to do trade deals with us. You're theory is nonsense. As I said Donald Trump couldn't care less if we settle a bill with the EU or not, he'll have no reservations about doing a USA/UK deal with us and would sign a new trade deal with us in a heart beat, whether we settle a divorce bill with the EU or not is completely irrelevant to him.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"If there is one person more unpopular in the UK than the EU, it’s Trump.

We really are into Alice in Wonderland if that’s our new best friend."

Trump is quite popular with Leave supporters, it seems to be mainly remainers who foam at the mouth at the mere mention of his name, lol

Who won the referendum by over a million more votes again? Oh yeah it was Leave wasn't it so maybe, just maybe Trump is more popular here than you think. It's remainers who are the minority in this country. Time you got out of that remain bubble you're living in.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

#Brexit win

Or to quote Boris Johnson, Donaldson Trump would tell the EU to "go whistle for it".

So you want us to be Trump's poodle?

#Brexitwin

Rather that than be a poodle to the likes of Jean Claude D*unker and his bureaucratic cronies in the EU.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

#Brexit win

That's because he's a dishonest multiple failed businessmen who inherited his money and doesn't pay his debts to honest suppliers."

Meanwhile back in the real world, Trump is a multi billion dollar successful businessman who also happened to wipe the floor with all the other candidates to win the USA Presidential election.

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"If there is one person more unpopular in the UK than the EU, it’s Trump.

We really are into Alice in Wonderland if that’s our new best friend.

Trump is quite popular with Leave supporters, it seems to be mainly remainers who foam at the mouth at the mere mention of his name, lol

Oh yes, the 37% of the electorate... you couldn’t change the rules in a Golf Club with that

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"If there is one person more unpopular in the UK than the EU, it’s Trump.

We really are into Alice in Wonderland if that’s our new best friend.

Trump is quite popular with Leave supporters, it seems to be mainly remainers who foam at the mouth at the mere mention of his name, lol

Oh yes, the 37% of the electorate... you couldn’t change the rules in a Golf Club with that

The fact is the vote to leave the EU was the biggest vote for anything, ever, in the entire history of the UK.

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex & Bridgend

They can't produce anything like enough to fill the "gaps". It's not geographically, biologically or environmentally possible to grow wines or ramp up production for years in areas where they could.

It's certainly not bad news for the tiny number of UK vineyards but the reality is that prices will just go up for everybody because wine will still be bought and choice will fall.

This is it? The sum total of your business benefit from Brexit?If its wine you are worried about nz,australia,chile all make good wine just as good as spanish,french and german.Wouldnt worry to much.

Wetherspoons pubs have already ditched EU wines and spirits, and changed to UK brands and brands from Australia, New Zealand and USA.

Have you got a financial interest in Wetherspoons? You bang on about it and Tim Martin incessantly. Wetherspoons isnt a model for the future of UKplc.

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

They can't produce anything like enough to fill the "gaps". It's not geographically, biologically or environmentally possible to grow wines or ramp up production for years in areas where they could.

It's certainly not bad news for the tiny number of UK vineyards but the reality is that prices will just go up for everybody because wine will still be bought and choice will fall.

This is it? The sum total of your business benefit from Brexit?If its wine you are worried about nz,australia,chile all make good wine just as good as spanish,french and german.Wouldnt worry to much.

Wetherspoons pubs have already ditched EU wines and spirits, and changed to UK brands and brands from Australia, New Zealand and USA.

Have you got a financial interest in Wetherspoons? You bang on about it and Tim Martin incessantly. Wetherspoons isnt a model for the future of UKplc."
. I think wetherspoons also do pub grub , so no need to worry about any food shortages in case of a no deal brexit , I'm sure Tim will be there serving up the sandwiches

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over a year ago

#Brexit win

That's because he's a dishonest multiple failed businessmen who inherited his money and doesn't pay his debts to honest suppliers.

Meanwhile back in the real world, Trump is a multi billion dollar successful businessman who also happened to wipe the floor with all the other candidates to win the USA Presidential election.

Successful? Hahaha

If you the brexit will be a success then that answers my question to what you think success is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They can't produce anything like enough to fill the "gaps". It's not geographically, biologically or environmentally possible to grow wines or ramp up production for years in areas where they could.

It's certainly not bad news for the tiny number of UK vineyards but the reality is that prices will just go up for everybody because wine will still be bought and choice will fall.

This is it? The sum total of your business benefit from Brexit?If its wine you are worried about nz,australia,chile all make good wine just as good as spanish,french and german.Wouldnt worry to much.

Wetherspoons pubs have already ditched EU wines and spirits, and changed to UK brands and brands from Australia, New Zealand and USA.

Have you got a financial interest in Wetherspoons? You bang on about it and Tim Martin incessantly. Wetherspoons isnt a model for the future of UKplc.. I think wetherspoons also do pub grub , so no need to worry about any food shortages in case of a no deal brexit , I'm sure Tim will be there serving up the sandwiches "

Aren’t even they anticipating rising costs ?

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"If there is one person more unpopular in the UK than the EU, it’s Trump.

We really are into Alice in Wonderland if that’s our new best friend.

Trump is quite popular with Leave supporters, it seems to be mainly remainers who foam at the mouth at the mere mention of his name, lol

You have still been unable to engage with the criss-over day thread other than to make ludicrous personal attacks about me wanting all leave voters dead.

Unable to engage with the demographic implication so trying to distract. I'll bump the thread for you again

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

They can't produce anything like enough to fill the "gaps". It's not geographically, biologically or environmentally possible to grow wines or ramp up production for years in areas where they could.

It's certainly not bad news for the tiny number of UK vineyards but the reality is that prices will just go up for everybody because wine will still be bought and choice will fall.

This is it? The sum total of your business benefit from Brexit?If its wine you are worried about nz,australia,chile all make good wine just as good as spanish,french and german.Wouldnt worry to much.

Wetherspoons pubs have already ditched EU wines and spirits, and changed to UK brands and brands from Australia, New Zealand and USA.

Have you got a financial interest in Wetherspoons? You bang on about it and Tim Martin incessantly. Wetherspoons isnt a model for the future of UKplc."

That is Centaur's model. Low quality, cheap, shabby and inward looking.

Our bright future.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"If there is one person more unpopular in the UK than the EU, it’s Trump.

We really are into Alice in Wonderland if that’s our new best friend.

Trump is quite popular with Leave supporters, it seems to be mainly remainers who foam at the mouth at the mere mention of his name, lol

Oh yes, the 37% of the electorate... you couldn’t change the rules in a Golf Club with that

The fact is the vote to leave the EU was the biggest vote for anything, ever, in the entire history of the UK.

It was also the biggest vote against anything in the history of the UK.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

#Brexit win

That's because he's a dishonest multiple failed businessmen who inherited his money and doesn't pay his debts to honest suppliers.

Meanwhile back in the real world, Trump is a multi billion dollar successful businessman who also happened to wipe the floor with all the other candidates to win the USA Presidential election.

You're hilarious in so many of these assertions other than winning the election through using fear and anger.

He inherited his money from daddy. He's been bankrupt several time, not paid his debts and renegotiated agreements in nad faith. He's widely used illegal immigrant labour, dodged taxes and still won't publish his taxes for some reason...

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Pinning your hopes on someone like Trump to rescue the UK from the economic shock of Brexit really does expose the lunacy of leavers.

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over a year ago

" As I said Donald Trump couldn't care less if we settle a bill with the EU or not, he'll have no reservations about doing a USA/UK deal with us and would sign a new trade deal with us in a heart beat, whether we settle a divorce bill with the EU or not is completely irrelevant to him. "

If we do Brexit and "regain our sovereignty" and the UK then enters trade negotiations with the USA which you say Trump would sign in a heartbeat... it's been mooted that Trump very well may have a stipulation in the trade agreement about either limiting or denying us a right to sign an FTA with China as part of his ongoing trade war with China.

This is a very realistic possibility as part of a UK / US trade agreement.

Would this scenario be acceptable to you Centaur or any other Leave supporters?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Mind you, if his latest tweet is anything to by, I agree with Centaur there may be things in common between the Brextremists and Trump.

Parts of the US are in the grip of a cold spell, so he writes: “People can’t last outside even for minutes. What the hell is going on with Global Waming (sic)? Please come back fast, we need you!”

Yep, well suited to one another.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If there is one person more unpopular in the UK than the EU, it’s Trump.

We really are into Alice in Wonderland if that’s our new best friend.

Trump is quite popular with Leave supporters, it seems to be mainly remainers who foam at the mouth at the mere mention of his name, lol

So is blatant racism and hatred of foreigners, also complete ignorance of science and having a very high opinion of your own perceived knowledge on subjects when real experts tell otherwise.

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over a year ago

"If there is one person more unpopular in the UK than the EU, it’s Trump.

We really are into Alice in Wonderland if that’s our new best friend.

Trump is quite popular with Leave supporters, it seems to be mainly remainers who foam at the mouth at the mere mention of his name, lol

So is blatant racism and hatred of foreigners, also complete ignorance of science and having a very high opinion of your own perceived knowledge on subjects when real experts tell otherwise. "

The ignorance of science is a good point here. We’re now living in a world where opinion is taken with as much value as fact. Climate Change and Brexit as excellent examples.

Trump doesn’t understand the science behind climate change and so doesn’t believe it’s real.

Leavers don’t understand the consequences of leaving the EU so brand any information about it “project fear”, and don’t believe it’s real.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

52% = will of the people

95% of scientists = hoax

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"52% = will of the people

95% of scientists = hoax

And the other 5% of scientists are funded by the fossil fuels industry. But that’s probably not related.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Perhaps we need a referendum to decide

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"If there is one person more unpopular in the UK than the EU, it’s Trump.

We really are into Alice in Wonderland if that’s our new best friend.

Trump is quite popular with Leave supporters, it seems to be mainly remainers who foam at the mouth at the mere mention of his name, lol

So is blatant racism and hatred of foreigners, also complete ignorance of science and having a very high opinion of your own perceived knowledge on subjects when real experts tell otherwise.

The ignorance of science is a good point here. We’re now living in a world where opinion is taken with as much value as fact. Climate Change and Brexit as excellent examples.

Trump doesn’t understand the science behind climate change and so doesn’t believe it’s real.

Leavers don’t understand the consequences of leaving the EU so brand any information about it “project fear”, and don’t believe it’s real."

Sort of.

If a problem seems to large then people wilfully ignore it.

You have probably noticed how no Leave supporter ever posts any conceivable negative about Brexit. If it's not acknowledged then it doesn't exist. If they were looked at then the risk and potential consequences would make the position they have taken illogical. The action required to rectify the problem would be so substantial that it would be unacceptable.

Climate change has the same characteristics with respect to scope and scale.

I guess it comes down to personality type. You take responsibility for your actions, which requires realistically assessing risk or you blame others for any negative consequences so that you don't take any reputational risk at all.

It's not necessarily a conscious choice that people make. It's how they approach life in general.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

They can't produce anything like enough to fill the "gaps". It's not geographically, biologically or environmentally possible to grow wines or ramp up production for years in areas where they could.

It's certainly not bad news for the tiny number of UK vineyards but the reality is that prices will just go up for everybody because wine will still be bought and choice will fall.

This is it? The sum total of your business benefit from Brexit?If its wine you are worried about nz,australia,chile all make good wine just as good as spanish,french and german.Wouldnt worry to much.

Wetherspoons pubs have already ditched EU wines and spirits, and changed to UK brands and brands from Australia, New Zealand and USA.

Have you got a financial interest in Wetherspoons? You bang on about it and Tim Martin incessantly. Wetherspoons isnt a model for the future of UKplc."

Spoons Workers Against Brexit

Traitors!

https://metro.co.uk/2019/01/28/anti-brexit-wetherspoon-staff-crusade-against-chain-bosss-propaganda-8402554/

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I love this idea that Britain will just up its own production.

Tell that to the farmers who saw their crops left to rot in the fields because the only people willing to do the work - migrant labour - went home.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Spoons Workers Against Brexit

Traitors!

https://metro.co.uk/2019/01/28/anti-brexit-wetherspoon-staff-crusade-against-chain-bosss-propaganda-8402554/"

Poor fuckers, I don't see them keeping their jobs for long.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I love this idea that Britain will just up its own production.

Tell that to the farmers who saw their crops left to rot in the fields because the only people willing to do the work - migrant labour - went home."

It's great the leave voting farmers are going to go bust

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"I love this idea that Britain will just up its own production.

Tell that to the farmers who saw their crops left to rot in the fields because the only people willing to do the work - migrant labour - went home.

It's great the leave voting farmers are going to go bust "

Which leave voting farmers? Most farmers I know voted remain.

Also, is it really "great" that the supermarket shelves will have less fruit and veg available?

When supply contracts and demand stays the same, what happens to prices?

People seem to be getting this odd notion that BREXIT is somehow left wing,it isn't. Remaining in perfectly consistent with Tory values, there is no shortage of Tory Remainers, the prime minister is one.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There seems to be a majority for Leave from Farmers.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"There seems to be a majority for Leave from Farmers. "

According to who? Not from my experience talking to people in the industry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There seems to be a majority for Leave from Farmers.

According to who? Not from my experience talking to people in the industry.

Online news, polls, articles

That's all I have to go by.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"There seems to be a majority for Leave from Farmers.

According to who? Not from my experience talking to people in the industry.

Online news, polls, articles

That's all I have to go by. "

There was. Not anymore. The long held anticipation was that there would be a deal but the No Deal, zero tariff talk now has them all scared shitless.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it not what they voted for though anyway

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

Recognise any if this?

A PENSIONER with strong but largely misinformed views about Brexit is to be interviewed by the media yet again, for some reason.

Despite having no particular expertise relating to Brexit, Norman Steele has been interviewed by the BBC, ITN, Guardian and others because he is always easy to find in the Black Wolf pub.

Steele, 74, who is likely to be £60 a week worse of and will die without six types of daily medication, is also favoured for his snappy quotes such as ‘Bring back rationing, it’ll do us all good’.

BBC News reporter Martin Bishop said: “We’d interview the 17 million or so people who voted Remain but they’re not ‘real’ in the authentic way Norman is. Also they’re at work.

“Norman draws some fascinating parallels between Brexit and World War 2 which I find refreshing and insightful. For a foetus, he played an amazing role in winning the war.

“He makes me feel very guilty and metropolitan. His is the authentic voice of elderly, white, disaffected, bigoted, bloodyminded pig-ignorance and we should hear it as often as possible.”

Steele said: “We beat the Japs, now we’ll beat Barnier. What’s wrong with eating British vegetables? Now bugger off, I can see Robert Peston coming over.”

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"just heard a prominent brexiteer who was arguing for a no-deal brexit on wto rules

after having it explained to him that under wto rules welsh sheep farmers would face a 40% tariff which would drive them out of business

responded with the well thought out argument that he was sure everything would be all right

and these are the sort of hands we are in"

There really is no need to worry. Welsh lamb has PGI status under European regulations, but thankfully, once we're rid of those pesky Europeans, we'll be able to import Welsh lamb from anywhere in the world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Looking forward to trade deals with Honduras and Columbia. Weekends will never be the same

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Looking forward to trade deals with Honduras and Columbia. Weekends will never be the same "

I wonder how close they will be to the existing ones the EU have... maybe weekends will be the same

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By *ess n BenCouple
over a year ago

Didcot

"Britain does not produce enough to feed itself.

No doubt half-portions will help the obesity crisis."

But it would open up all the fields that the eu pay British farmers not to use

( set a side ) just to keep french farmers happy

Surly if we start useing all these fields again we will produce more for ourselves and export the surplus to non eu countries with no tariffs to pay

Just a thought

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Britain does not produce enough to feed itself.

No doubt half-portions will help the obesity crisis.

But it would open up all the fields that the eu pay British farmers not to use

( set a side ) just to keep french farmers happy

Surly if we start useing all these fields again we will produce more for ourselves and export the surplus to non eu countries with no tariffs to pay

Just a thought "

They get subsidies for set a side which they will lose. But yes this environmental protection is exactly the kind of “red tape” the government will start to remove. The environment and workers are two areas which will suffer the most.

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By *ess n BenCouple
over a year ago

Didcot

But surly they would get the extra income from extra growth?

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Britain does not produce enough to feed itself.

No doubt half-portions will help the obesity crisis.

But it would open up all the fields that the eu pay British farmers not to use

( set a side ) just to keep french farmers happy

Surly if we start useing all these fields again we will produce more for ourselves and export the surplus to non eu countries with no tariffs to pay

Just a thought "

Supposition.

What surplus? Will there be any?

What's the global market price we will be competing with compared to that generated within CAP? Will that make domestic prices economic compared to imports from large scale farms in the USA or Australia or low cost like South America?

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By *rMrsWestMidsCouple
over a year ago

Dudley

"Britain does not produce enough to feed itself.

No doubt half-portions will help the obesity crisis.

But it would open up all the fields that the eu pay British farmers not to use

( set a side ) just to keep french farmers happy

Surly if we start useing all these fields again we will produce more for ourselves and export the surplus to non eu countries with no tariffs to pay

Just a thought

Have you got evidence for this or is it just your own thoughts? You have been asked before to provide some but none produced so far!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Britain does not produce enough to feed itself.

No doubt half-portions will help the obesity crisis.

But it would open up all the fields that the eu pay British farmers not to use

( set a side ) just to keep french farmers happy

Surly if we start useing all these fields again we will produce more for ourselves and export the surplus to non eu countries with no tariffs to pay

Just a thought

Have you got evidence for this or is it just your own thoughts? You have been asked before to provide some but none produced so far!"

There’s evidence for this everywhere, news, news papers, politicians. This is the single aim and entire point of Brexit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But surly they would get the extra income from extra growth?"

Maybe, but who will work the fields. Do you think environmental protection and wildlife diversity is not important?

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"Britain does not produce enough to feed itself.

No doubt half-portions will help the obesity crisis.

But it would open up all the fields that the eu pay British farmers not to use

( set a side ) just to keep french farmers happy

Surly if we start useing all these fields again we will produce more for ourselves and export the surplus to non eu countries with no tariffs to pay

Just a thought "

Why do you think there will be no tariffs to pay? There will now be import tariffs on that produce where there might have been none before (depending on where you mean).

-Matt

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By *rMrsWestMidsCouple
over a year ago

Dudley

"Britain does not produce enough to feed itself.

No doubt half-portions will help the obesity crisis.

But it would open up all the fields that the eu pay British farmers not to use

( set a side ) just to keep french farmers happy

Surly if we start useing all these fields again we will produce more for ourselves and export the surplus to non eu countries with no tariffs to pay

Just a thought

Have you got evidence for this or is it just your own thoughts? You have been asked before to provide some but none produced so far!

There’s evidence for this everywhere, news, news papers, politicians. This is the single aim and entire point of Brexit. "

Must be on/in your exclusive news channel/papers!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Britain does not produce enough to feed itself.

No doubt half-portions will help the obesity crisis.

But it would open up all the fields that the eu pay British farmers not to use

( set a side ) just to keep french farmers happy

Surly if we start useing all these fields again we will produce more for ourselves and export the surplus to non eu countries with no tariffs to pay

Just a thought "

you do know that WTO rules don't work like that....

if we leave without a deal and a WTO schedule in place then everything exported will have a tariff put on it... so the example of "lamb" would have a 40% tariff placed on in regardless of where it was sold overseas.....EU or non-EU

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Britain does not produce enough to feed itself.

No doubt half-portions will help the obesity crisis.

But it would open up all the fields that the eu pay British farmers not to use

( set a side ) just to keep french farmers happy

Surly if we start useing all these fields again we will produce more for ourselves and export the surplus to non eu countries with no tariffs to pay

Just a thought

Have you got evidence for this or is it just your own thoughts? You have been asked before to provide some but none produced so far!

There’s evidence for this everywhere, news, news papers, politicians. This is the single aim and entire point of Brexit. "

There isn't though. The real evidence points to the exact opposite of what you said. The UK government has already pledged to continue to pay UK farmers subsidies for at least 2 years after Brexit. This is government policy. It was always UK taxpayers money coming back to farmers from the EU anyway as the UK is a net contributor to the EU budget. The environment secretary Michael Gove laid out a green strategy for Brexit last year (which includes farming) which intends to make the UK more green after Brexit. Farmers will get extra incentives and bonuses to protect the natural environment and wildlife. I did a thread about it on here last year just after Michael Gove came out with it, I'm sure I can find the link to the thread if you want to read it.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Britain does not produce enough to feed itself.

No doubt half-portions will help the obesity crisis.

But it would open up all the fields that the eu pay British farmers not to use

( set a side ) just to keep french farmers happy

Surly if we start useing all these fields again we will produce more for ourselves and export the surplus to non eu countries with no tariffs to pay

Just a thought

you do know that WTO rules don't work like that....

Yet again remainers forget (or in a deliberate attempt to mislead, leave out) the drop in the value of the pound making UK exports more competitive in global markets. The drop in the pound will in effect cancel out any potential tariff increase on UK exports.

Surprised you forgot Fabio as just a couple of days ago when remain rebels in Parliament lost a series of votes on ammendments which made the pound fall a bit you couldn't post about it on here quick enough!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Britain does not produce enough to feed itself.

No doubt half-portions will help the obesity crisis.

But it would open up all the fields that the eu pay British farmers not to use

( set a side ) just to keep french farmers happy

Surly if we start useing all these fields again we will produce more for ourselves and export the surplus to non eu countries with no tariffs to pay

Just a thought

you do know that WTO rules don't work like that....

I was just answering the persons question

so are you admitting the pound will have been davalued by 40% to negate a 40% tariff on lamb?

see... you like to talk exports..... but the dirty truth for you is that we are a net importing country.... which means all the stuff we buy has become more expensive.....

the simple truth is that the pound in your pocket isn't worth as much as it was... and doesn't get you as much as it did!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Britain does not produce enough to feed itself.

No doubt half-portions will help the obesity crisis.

But it would open up all the fields that the eu pay British farmers not to use

( set a side ) just to keep french farmers happy

Surly if we start useing all these fields again we will produce more for ourselves and export the surplus to non eu countries with no tariffs to pay

Just a thought

you do know that WTO rules don't work like that....

Which will increase the price of imports. And we export less than we import.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Which will increase the price of imports. And we export less than we import."

will you ssssh.... centy never acknowledges this!

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Britain does not produce enough to feed itself.

No doubt half-portions will help the obesity crisis.

But it would open up all the fields that the eu pay British farmers not to use

( set a side ) just to keep french farmers happy

Surly if we start useing all these fields again we will produce more for ourselves and export the surplus to non eu countries with no tariffs to pay

Just a thought

you do know that WTO rules don't work like that....

I was just answering the persons question

so are you admitting the pound will have been davalued by 40% to negate a 40% tariff on lamb?

see... you like to talk exports..... but the dirty truth for you is that we are a net importing country.... which means all the stuff we buy has become more expensive.....

the simple truth is that the pound in your pocket isn't worth as much as it was... and doesn't get you as much as it did!"

In terms of imports have a listen to what Governor of the bank of England Mark Carney said a few months ago. He said if imports start to become more expensive for UK consumers they will simply switch products where possible to buy cheaper, which will in most cases be they will swap foreign imported goods for domestic UK produced goods. This will be great for UK businesses as they get an increased boost from sales in the domestic UK market and they will Continue to sell abroad for the reason I gave earlier, drop in the value of the pound will cancel out any potential tariff increase on UK exports in most cases.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Which will increase the price of imports. And we export less than we import.

will you ssssh.... centy never acknowledges this!

I have addressed it before, you just don't listen. Read above what governor of the Bank of England Mark Carney has said about it.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

so a simple yes or no answer will do centy....

is the pound in your pocket worth as much now as it was before the vote?

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By *rMrsWestMidsCouple
over a year ago

Dudley

"Britain does not produce enough to feed itself.

No doubt half-portions will help the obesity crisis.

But it would open up all the fields that the eu pay British farmers not to use

( set a side ) just to keep french farmers happy

Surly if we start useing all these fields again we will produce more for ourselves and export the surplus to non eu countries with no tariffs to pay

Just a thought

Have you got evidence for this or is it just your own thoughts? You have been asked before to provide some but none produced so far!

There’s evidence for this everywhere, news, news papers, politicians. This is the single aim and entire point of Brexit.

That's what I have heard, Dave has been making the same allegations for weeks but never produces any evidence despite being asked numerous times!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Britain does not produce enough to feed itself.

No doubt half-portions will help the obesity crisis.

But it would open up all the fields that the eu pay British farmers not to use

( set a side ) just to keep french farmers happy

Surly if we start useing all these fields again we will produce more for ourselves and export the surplus to non eu countries with no tariffs to pay

Just a thought

Have you got evidence for this or is it just your own thoughts? You have been asked before to provide some but none produced so far!

There’s evidence for this everywhere, news, news papers, politicians. This is the single aim and entire point of Brexit.

That's what I have heard, Dave has been making the same allegations for weeks but never produces any evidence despite being asked numerous times!

Oh it’s you. Yawn. I’m not making any allegations, I’m discussing what’s plainly out there, if someone says the sky is blue, do you demand evidence? We’ve been over this before and you plainly refused to acknowledge any information. So there is literally no point in trying to reason with you. Feel free to live the rest of your life away with the fairies. I will not attempt to discuss reality with you again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Amateur google time.

Set aside was put in place to replace the subsidies (which arguably were damaging to third world countries) which were in place to help cover the costs of exporting cereal (as storing etc come at high costs)

So now the suggestion is to go back to over producing. And keep subsidising. While adding tarrifs to the poorerest countries importing to us.

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