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"..... super brutal honesty or project super fear? Remember that they were one of the few companies who came out in favour of mays deal so at least they knew where they stood!" Project fact coming into play! Time will tell 63 days - bring it on! | |||
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"..... super brutal honesty or project super fear? Remember that they were one of the few companies who came out in favour of mays deal so at least they knew where they stood! Project fact coming into play! Time will tell 63 days - bring it on!" Bit of both. Airbus are always going to lobby for the option which costs them the least. However I’d be wary of saying that this means they are bluffing. If we can’t show we are economically and commercially stable (eg politics is getting in the way) I can see them looking at somewhere they can be more confident in. | |||
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"..... super brutal honesty or project super fear? Remember that they were one of the few companies who came out in favour of mays deal so at least they knew where they stood!" If you're blinded by the Brexit dream then it's Project Fear If you're not then you need to take it at face value as a probability. | |||
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"well its certainly not because of tariffs on aircraft or parts,perhaps the french are offering anice little backhander to get them to move" Tariffs will be a part of it for sure, why wouldn't it? | |||
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"well its certainly not because of tariffs on aircraft or parts,perhaps the french are offering anice little backhander to get them to move" It has nothing to do with tariffs and everything to do with certification. | |||
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"well its certainly not because of tariffs on aircraft or parts,perhaps the french are offering anice little backhander to get them to move" state aid rules may get in the way of this ... On the plus side, we can do backhanders all we like after brexit * * may not be true. | |||
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"well its certainly not because of tariffs on aircraft or parts,perhaps the french are offering anice little backhander to get them to move Tariffs will be a part of it for sure, why wouldn't it? " Do you know what tariffs are on aircraft parts ?  | |||
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"well its certainly not because of tariffs on aircraft or parts,perhaps the french are offering anice little backhander to get them to move Tariffs will be a part of it for sure, why wouldn't it? Do you know what tariffs are on aircraft parts ? "Zero on parts, but its raw materials which are required to make the parts and the paperwork and regulatory standards! | |||
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"well its certainly not because of tariffs on aircraft or parts,perhaps the french are offering anice little backhander to get them to move Tariffs will be a part of it for sure, why wouldn't it? Do you know what tariffs are on aircraft parts ?
Zero on parts, but its raw materials which are required to make the parts and the paperwork and regulatory standards!"I dont think airbus is going to move over a bit of paperwork the trail of paper for a plane must be extreme because of safety and isnt going to be any different wherever they produce them | |||
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"Brexiteers consistently demonstrate a complete lack of knowledge of commercial law." another swipe at us thick and deluded brexiteers.what makes you a better person than me. It's time to give it a rest. Nobody really knows what will happen till it does. And that's a fact | |||
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"Brexiteers consistently demonstrate a complete lack of knowledge of commercial law.another swipe at us thick and deluded brexiteers.what makes you a better person than me. It's time to give it a rest. Nobody really knows what will happen till it does. And that's a fact " You just underlined my point. Promises were made in 2016 and afterwards. Promises that were impossible in law. Now you say no-one knows. That is because what you were promised then cannot be delivered. Now you do not know what can be delivered. Ever feel like you were sold a pig in a poke? | |||
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"The safety certification is an issue, though. Currently, a single agency issues in the European aviation market. The UK is leaving that market so needs to make provision for its own certificates from March 30. The UK and EU need a legal agreement in place to recognise each other's certificates. The withdrawal agreement does that. The No Deal exit does not. " Time will tell but as the planes are assembled in france then they will be under easa rules the same as now, | |||
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"well its certainly not because of tariffs on aircraft or parts,perhaps the french are offering anice little backhander to get them to move Tariffs will be a part of it for sure, why wouldn't it? Do you know what tariffs are on aircraft parts ?
Zero on parts, but its raw materials which are required to make the parts and the paperwork and regulatory standards!
I dont think airbus is going to move over a bit of paperwork the trail of paper for a plane must be extreme because of safety and isnt going to be any different wherever they produce them"This point has been made many, many times before and either Brexiters are just ignoring it or they don't believe it. The "paper trail" as you call it, is CRUCIAL with regards to aircraft parts. Today Broughton builds wings under EASA compliance. In the event of a no deal, the Broughton factory does not have EASA compliance because the UK Govt has decided that they dont want it. This puts Broughton in complete legal limbo and without a verifiable legal framework, the parts cannot be insured and without insurance in avoiation - everything is fucked. You might (quite rightly say) but what is the difference between March 29th and March 30th? Same Engineers, same technicians, same steel, aluminium and other metals - the same everything really apart from one critical issue. The factory, the people and the products will be outside of EASA, and the CAA is about a million miles away from having its own Type Approval and Ratings Agency in place. A bit like you having your MOT in the same place, by the same guy who always did your MOT's - if his licence had expired - your MOT is invalid and you are on the road illegallly anything happened to you and the insurance would drop you like a hot potato. Airbus are absolutely quite right to call this action by our political representatives as a disgrace. That is exactly what it is and it would not surprise me at all if Airbus gradually starts to withdraw from the UK post-Brexit because there is no real reason for them to stay. As the production lines need modernising - it won't happen, as staff leave/retire - they won't be replaced and within a decade Airbus will be gone. | |||
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"well its certainly not because of tariffs on aircraft or parts,perhaps the french are offering anice little backhander to get them to move Tariffs will be a part of it for sure, why wouldn't it? Do you know what tariffs are on aircraft parts ?
Zero on parts, but its raw materials which are required to make the parts and the paperwork and regulatory standards!
I dont think airbus is going to move over a bit of paperwork the trail of paper for a plane must be extreme because of safety and isnt going to be any different wherever they produce them
This point has been made many, many times before and either Brexiters are just ignoring it or they don't believe it.
The "paper trail" as you call it, is CRUCIAL with regards to aircraft parts. Today Broughton builds wings under EASA compliance.
In the event of a no deal, the Broughton factory does not have EASA compliance because the UK Govt has decided that they dont want it. This puts Broughton in complete legal limbo and without a verifiable legal framework, the parts cannot be insured and without insurance in avoiation - everything is fucked.
You might (quite rightly say) but what is the difference between March 29th and March 30th? Same Engineers, same technicians, same steel, aluminium and other metals - the same everything really apart from one critical issue. The factory, the people and the products will be outside of EASA, and the CAA is about a million miles away from having its own Type Approval and Ratings Agency in place. A bit like you having your MOT in the same place, by the same guy who always did your MOT's - if his licence had expired - your MOT is invalid and you are on the road illegallly anything happened to you and the insurance would drop you like a hot potato.
Airbus are absolutely quite right to call this action by our political representatives as a disgrace. That is exactly what it is and it would not surprise me at all if Airbus gradually starts to withdraw from the UK post-Brexit because there is no real reason for them to stay. As the production lines need modernising - it won't happen, as staff leave/retire - they won't be replaced and within a decade Airbus will be gone."Funny how remainers keep saying we will have to meet eu rules when we export to them ( which of course any country exporting toanother has to) and yet you say that they will accept the uk certs on wings, if what you say was true then IM sure the CEO of airbus would have been shouting about the fact that as of the 30 March they couldnt export any wings | |||
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"Brexiteers consistently demonstrate a complete lack of knowledge of commercial law.another swipe at us thick and deluded brexiteers.what makes you a better person than me. It's time to give it a rest. Nobody really knows what will happen till it does. And that's a fact You just underlined my point. Promises were made in 2016 and afterwards. Promises that were impossible in law. Now you say no-one knows. That is because what you were promised then cannot be delivered. Now you do not know what can be delivered. Ever feel like you were sold a pig in a poke? " Just like the promises and predictions made by the remain side..... | |||
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"Brexiteers consistently demonstrate a complete lack of knowledge of commercial law. Fortunately there are always some know it all remainers around to put us right, it's amazing what part-time pizza delivery men know!Are you an expert on the subject!? Would you like some extra-sour topping with your pizza, No pizza for me thanks, if there's anything I need to know I ask the milkman!You didn't say where you got your law degree!" Oh so you haven't got a law degree and don't specialise in commercial law, now there's a surprise! | |||
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"well its certainly not because of tariffs on aircraft or parts,perhaps the french are offering anice little backhander to get them to move Tariffs will be a part of it for sure, why wouldn't it? Do you know what tariffs are on aircraft parts ?
Zero on parts, but its raw materials which are required to make the parts and the paperwork and regulatory standards!
I dont think airbus is going to move over a bit of paperwork the trail of paper for a plane must be extreme because of safety and isnt going to be any different wherever they produce them
This point has been made many, many times before and either Brexiters are just ignoring it or they don't believe it.
The "paper trail" as you call it, is CRUCIAL with regards to aircraft parts. Today Broughton builds wings under EASA compliance.
In the event of a no deal, the Broughton factory does not have EASA compliance because the UK Govt has decided that they dont want it. This puts Broughton in complete legal limbo and without a verifiable legal framework, the parts cannot be insured and without insurance in avoiation - everything is fucked.
You might (quite rightly say) but what is the difference between March 29th and March 30th? Same Engineers, same technicians, same steel, aluminium and other metals - the same everything really apart from one critical issue. The factory, the people and the products will be outside of EASA, and the CAA is about a million miles away from having its own Type Approval and Ratings Agency in place. A bit like you having your MOT in the same place, by the same guy who always did your MOT's - if his licence had expired - your MOT is invalid and you are on the road illegallly anything happened to you and the insurance would drop you like a hot potato.
Airbus are absolutely quite right to call this action by our political representatives as a disgrace. That is exactly what it is and it would not surprise me at all if Airbus gradually starts to withdraw from the UK post-Brexit because there is no real reason for them to stay. As the production lines need modernising - it won't happen, as staff leave/retire - they won't be replaced and within a decade Airbus will be gone.
Funny how remainers keep saying we will have to meet eu rules when we export to them ( which of course any country exporting toanother has to) and yet you say that they will accept the uk certs on wings, if what you say was true then IM sure the CEO of Airbus would have been shouting about the fact that as of the 30 March they couldn't export any wings "I believe that the EU has included a temporary solution in their no deal proposals - similar to pilots, crew and aircraft - there will be a parachute period in which the UK needs to get itself organised. But it is of course far from acceptable for the EU to have to be lenient with the UK because the UK has failed so miserably to get its ducks in a row. I actually don't even know why we have these discussions on here? It is not even difficult to look it up. Aviation Governing Bodies have type, rating and licensing standards and it is on that basis that agreements are signed. For example, the FAA and EASA have mutually acceptable type standards, engineering approvals and rating standards. The UK has NOTHING and since the CAA sold off their previous massive facility at Gatwick and just concentrated on being an EASA facilitator here in the UK, they are now not even remotely close to being in a position to once again being the Nations Aviation Governing Body for ALL things aviation. | |||
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"Brexiteers consistently demonstrate a complete lack of knowledge of commercial law.another swipe at us thick and deluded brexiteers.what makes you a better person than me. It's time to give it a rest. Nobody really knows what will happen till it does. And that's a fact " Ha ha ha! This from the foot stamping child who has a tantrum every time it's pointed out how moronic Brexit is ! | |||
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"well its certainly not because of tariffs on aircraft or parts,perhaps the french are offering anice little backhander to get them to move Tariffs will be a part of it for sure, why wouldn't it? Do you know what tariffs are on aircraft parts ?
Zero on parts, but its raw materials which are required to make the parts and the paperwork and regulatory standards!
I dont think airbus is going to move over a bit of paperwork the trail of paper for a plane must be extreme because of safety and isnt going to be any different wherever they produce them"Look up rules of origin. That is absolutely all about where something is produced. | |||
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"..... super brutal honesty or project super fear? Remember that they were one of the few companies who came out in favour of mays deal so at least they knew where they stood!" Enders is leaving so he feels free to say exactly what he thinks. Project fear though. Obviously a conspiracy  | |||
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"well its certainly not because of tariffs on aircraft or parts,perhaps the french are offering anice little backhander to get them to move Tariffs will be a part of it for sure, why wouldn't it? Do you know what tariffs are on aircraft parts ?
Zero on parts, but its raw materials which are required to make the parts and the paperwork and regulatory standards!
I dont think airbus is going to move over a bit of paperwork the trail of paper for a plane must be extreme because of safety and isnt going to be any different wherever they produce them
This point has been made many, many times before and either Brexiters are just ignoring it or they don't believe it.
The "paper trail" as you call it, is CRUCIAL with regards to aircraft parts. Today Broughton builds wings under EASA compliance.
In the event of a no deal, the Broughton factory does not have EASA compliance because the UK Govt has decided that they dont want it. This puts Broughton in complete legal limbo and without a verifiable legal framework, the parts cannot be insured and without insurance in avoiation - everything is fucked.
You might (quite rightly say) but what is the difference between March 29th and March 30th? Same Engineers, same technicians, same steel, aluminium and other metals - the same everything really apart from one critical issue. The factory, the people and the products will be outside of EASA, and the CAA is about a million miles away from having its own Type Approval and Ratings Agency in place. A bit like you having your MOT in the same place, by the same guy who always did your MOT's - if his licence had expired - your MOT is invalid and you are on the road illegallly anything happened to you and the insurance would drop you like a hot potato.
Airbus are absolutely quite right to call this action by our political representatives as a disgrace. That is exactly what it is and it would not surprise me at all if Airbus gradually starts to withdraw from the UK post-Brexit because there is no real reason for them to stay. As the production lines need modernising - it won't happen, as staff leave/retire - they won't be replaced and within a decade Airbus will be gone."The EU won't exist within a decade. Even EU cheerleader George Soros can see the writing on the wall now. It kind of makes everything you just said completely irrelevant. Airbus won't move because there won't be an EU to move to within 10 years. Only a dummy would move production to a failing trade block that is a house of cards looking increasingly unstable year after year. Maybe Enders really is that dumb though. | |||
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"well its certainly not because of tariffs on aircraft or parts,perhaps the french are offering anice little backhander to get them to move Tariffs will be a part of it for sure, why wouldn't it? Do you know what tariffs are on aircraft parts ?
Zero on parts, but its raw materials which are required to make the parts and the paperwork and regulatory standards!
I dont think airbus is going to move over a bit of paperwork the trail of paper for a plane must be extreme because of safety and isnt going to be any different wherever they produce them
This point has been made many, many times before and either Brexiters are just ignoring it or they don't believe it.
The "paper trail" as you call it, is CRUCIAL with regards to aircraft parts. Today Broughton builds wings under EASA compliance.
In the event of a no deal, the Broughton factory does not have EASA compliance because the UK Govt has decided that they dont want it. This puts Broughton in complete legal limbo and without a verifiable legal framework, the parts cannot be insured and without insurance in avoiation - everything is fucked.
You might (quite rightly say) but what is the difference between March 29th and March 30th? Same Engineers, same technicians, same steel, aluminium and other metals - the same everything really apart from one critical issue. The factory, the people and the products will be outside of EASA, and the CAA is about a million miles away from having its own Type Approval and Ratings Agency in place. A bit like you having your MOT in the same place, by the same guy who always did your MOT's - if his licence had expired - your MOT is invalid and you are on the road illegallly anything happened to you and the insurance would drop you like a hot potato.
Airbus are absolutely quite right to call this action by our political representatives as a disgrace. That is exactly what it is and it would not surprise me at all if Airbus gradually starts to withdraw from the UK post-Brexit because there is no real reason for them to stay. As the production lines need modernising - it won't happen, as staff leave/retire - they won't be replaced and within a decade Airbus will be gone.
The EU won't exist within a decade. Even EU cheerleader George Soros can see the writing on the wall now. It kind of makes everything you just said completely irrelevant. Airbus won't move because there won't be an EU to move to within 10 years. Only a dummy would move production to a failing trade block that is a house of cards looking increasingly unstable year after year. Maybe Enders really is that dumb though. "Or....... The EU will evolve as all entities do whilst the U.K. remains in its hastily dug-out bunker furiously objecting to the very concept evolutionary change. | |||
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"well its certainly not because of tariffs on aircraft or parts,perhaps the french are offering anice little backhander to get them to move Tariffs will be a part of it for sure, why wouldn't it? Do you know what tariffs are on aircraft parts ?
Zero on parts, but its raw materials which are required to make the parts and the paperwork and regulatory standards!
I dont think airbus is going to move over a bit of paperwork the trail of paper for a plane must be extreme because of safety and isnt going to be any different wherever they produce them
This point has been made many, many times before and either Brexiters are just ignoring it or they don't believe it.
The "paper trail" as you call it, is CRUCIAL with regards to aircraft parts. Today Broughton builds wings under EASA compliance.
In the event of a no deal, the Broughton factory does not have EASA compliance because the UK Govt has decided that they dont want it. This puts Broughton in complete legal limbo and without a verifiable legal framework, the parts cannot be insured and without insurance in avoiation - everything is fucked.
You might (quite rightly say) but what is the difference between March 29th and March 30th? Same Engineers, same technicians, same steel, aluminium and other metals - the same everything really apart from one critical issue. The factory, the people and the products will be outside of EASA, and the CAA is about a million miles away from having its own Type Approval and Ratings Agency in place. A bit like you having your MOT in the same place, by the same guy who always did your MOT's - if his licence had expired - your MOT is invalid and you are on the road illegallly anything happened to you and the insurance would drop you like a hot potato.
Airbus are absolutely quite right to call this action by our political representatives as a disgrace. That is exactly what it is and it would not surprise me at all if Airbus gradually starts to withdraw from the UK post-Brexit because there is no real reason for them to stay. As the production lines need modernising - it won't happen, as staff leave/retire - they won't be replaced and within a decade Airbus will be gone.
The EU won't exist within a decade. Even EU cheerleader George Soros can see the writing on the wall now. It kind of makes everything you just said completely irrelevant. Airbus won't move because there won't be an EU to move to within 10 years. Only a dummy would move production to a failing trade block that is a house of cards looking increasingly unstable year after year. Maybe Enders really is that dumb though. "Leavers: "you can't say any bad predictions about leaving the EU as nobody has done it before/we don't know how it'll be till it's over/brexit hasn't happened yet!" Also leavers: "it's pointless staying in the EU because by some arbitrary and unmeasured observations/correlations made by someone I like right now, it won't exist in a decade. Definitely cannot see a scenario in which things internally in the EU shift for the sake of its survival." Hypocrisy much. | |||
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"well its certainly not because of tariffs on aircraft or parts,perhaps the french are offering anice little backhander to get them to move Tariffs will be a part of it for sure, why wouldn't it? Do you know what tariffs are on aircraft parts ?
Zero on parts, but its raw materials which are required to make the parts and the paperwork and regulatory standards!
I dont think airbus is going to move over a bit of paperwork the trail of paper for a plane must be extreme because of safety and isnt going to be any different wherever they produce them
This point has been made many, many times before and either Brexiters are just ignoring it or they don't believe it.
The "paper trail" as you call it, is CRUCIAL with regards to aircraft parts. Today Broughton builds wings under EASA compliance.
In the event of a no deal, the Broughton factory does not have EASA compliance because the UK Govt has decided that they dont want it. This puts Broughton in complete legal limbo and without a verifiable legal framework, the parts cannot be insured and without insurance in avoiation - everything is fucked.
You might (quite rightly say) but what is the difference between March 29th and March 30th? Same Engineers, same technicians, same steel, aluminium and other metals - the same everything really apart from one critical issue. The factory, the people and the products will be outside of EASA, and the CAA is about a million miles away from having its own Type Approval and Ratings Agency in place. A bit like you having your MOT in the same place, by the same guy who always did your MOT's - if his licence had expired - your MOT is invalid and you are on the road illegallly anything happened to you and the insurance would drop you like a hot potato.
Airbus are absolutely quite right to call this action by our political representatives as a disgrace. That is exactly what it is and it would not surprise me at all if Airbus gradually starts to withdraw from the UK post-Brexit because there is no real reason for them to stay. As the production lines need modernising - it won't happen, as staff leave/retire - they won't be replaced and within a decade Airbus will be gone.
The EU won't exist within a decade. Even EU cheerleader George Soros can see the writing on the wall now. It kind of makes everything you just said completely irrelevant. Airbus won't move because there won't be an EU to move to within 10 years. Only a dummy would move production to a failing trade block that is a house of cards looking increasingly unstable year after year. Maybe Enders really is that dumb though. "By your logic all Airbus planes will be being made in Broughton by 2029.... | |||
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"My ex lives right around the corner and everything is fine they have built a huge fence at the end of the run way. They also house the North Wales police helicopter there apperently and they are currently building a huge building its getting more busy with air traffic than over a year ago. The new buglar is due here soon. Why would they move now when they are very well in Broughton " Um because the CEO says so....if it's more profitable to move wing production to Toulouse or Seville or anywhere else they have facilities already, then they will. Airbus is a business and not a charity which exists to provide jobs for the N Walians | |||
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"I dont think airbus is going to move over a bit of paperwork the trail of paper for a plane must be extreme because of safety and isnt going to be any different wherever they produce them" It's that little bit of paperwork that generates the value in the part, no CoC no sales. | |||
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"Someone just told me that airbus senior VP said on sky today that the gov asked them to make that statement, perhaps the 64 million they have received from the eu in the last five years have a price after all "£19bn from the UK, zero from the EU https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/cases_e/ds316_e.htm | |||
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"My ex lives right around the corner and everything is fine they have built a huge fence at the end of the run way. They also house the North Wales police helicopter there apperently and they are currently building a huge building its getting more busy with air traffic than over a year ago. The new buglar is due here soon. Why would they move now when they are very well in Broughton Um because the CEO says so....if it's more profitable to move wing production to Toulouse or Seville or anywhere else they have facilities already, then they will. Airbus is a business and not a charity which exists to provide jobs for the N Walians" Someone already explained to you earlier in the thread there are zero tariffs on Airbus wings under WTO rules. So no extra cost to selling from the UK. If Airbus really want to incur extra costs on themselves then moving will do that. The costs of moving production from the UK over to Europe will be much more than any imagined cost from brexit. | |||
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"My ex lives right around the corner and everything is fine they have built a huge fence at the end of the run way. They also house the North Wales police helicopter there apperently and they are currently building a huge building its getting more busy with air traffic than over a year ago. The new buglar is due here soon. Why would they move now when they are very well in Broughton Um because the CEO says so....if it's more profitable to move wing production to Toulouse or Seville or anywhere else they have facilities already, then they will. Airbus is a business and not a charity which exists to provide jobs for the N Walians Someone already explained to you earlier in the thread there are zero tariffs on Airbus wings under WTO rules. So no extra cost to selling from the UK. If Airbus really want to incur extra costs on themselves then moving will do that. The costs of moving production from the UK over to Europe will be much more than any imagined cost from brexit. " But of course will drastically reduce their transportation costs. | |||
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"My ex lives right around the corner and everything is fine they have built a huge fence at the end of the run way. They also house the North Wales police helicopter there apperently and they are currently building a huge building its getting more busy with air traffic than over a year ago. The new buglar is due here soon. Why would they move now when they are very well in Broughton Um because the CEO says so....if it's more profitable to move wing production to Toulouse or Seville or anywhere else they have facilities already, then they will. Airbus is a business and not a charity which exists to provide jobs for the N Walians Someone already explained to you earlier in the thread there are zero tariffs on Airbus wings under WTO rules. So no extra cost to selling from the UK. If Airbus really want to incur extra costs on themselves then moving will do that. The costs of moving production from the UK over to Europe will be much more than any imagined cost from brexit. " The wings dont fly themselves to Toulouse..... | |||
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"My ex lives right around the corner and everything is fine they have built a huge fence at the end of the run way. They also house the North Wales police helicopter there apperently and they are currently building a huge building its getting more busy with air traffic than over a year ago. The new buglar is due here soon. Why would they move now when they are very well in Broughton Um because the CEO says so....if it's more profitable to move wing production to Toulouse or Seville or anywhere else they have facilities already, then they will. Airbus is a business and not a charity which exists to provide jobs for the N Walians Someone already explained to you earlier in the thread there are zero tariffs on Airbus wings under WTO rules. So no extra cost to selling from the UK. If Airbus really want to incur extra costs on themselves then moving will do that. The costs of moving production from the UK over to Europe will be much more than any imagined cost from brexit. " Oh and costs cover far more than simple tariffs you know....you've not really nailed this business stuff have you? | |||
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"My ex lives right around the corner and everything is fine they have built a huge fence at the end of the run way. They also house the North Wales police helicopter there apperently and they are currently building a huge building its getting more busy with air traffic than over a year ago. The new buglar is due here soon. Why would they move now when they are very well in Broughton Um because the CEO says so....if it's more profitable to move wing production to Toulouse or Seville or anywhere else they have facilities already, then they will. Airbus is a business and not a charity which exists to provide jobs for the N Walians Someone already explained to you earlier in the thread there are zero tariffs on Airbus wings under WTO rules. So no extra cost to selling from the UK. If Airbus really want to incur extra costs on themselves then moving will do that. The costs of moving production from the UK over to Europe will be much more than any imagined cost from brexit. The wings dont fly themselves to Toulouse....."  | |||
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"My ex lives right around the corner and everything is fine they have built a huge fence at the end of the run way. They also house the North Wales police helicopter there apperently and they are currently building a huge building its getting more busy with air traffic than over a year ago. The new buglar is due here soon. Why would they move now when they are very well in Broughton Um because the CEO says so....if it's more profitable to move wing production to Toulouse or Seville or anywhere else they have facilities already, then they will. Airbus is a business and not a charity which exists to provide jobs for the N Walians Someone already explained to you earlier in the thread there are zero tariffs on Airbus wings under WTO rules. So no extra cost to selling from the UK. If Airbus really want to incur extra costs on themselves then moving will do that. The costs of moving production from the UK over to Europe will be much more than any imagined cost from brexit. The wings dont fly themselves to Toulouse....." Transportation costs will remain the same as they are now. Zero tariffs on the wings under WTO rules. So as I said no extra costs to airbus by staying where they are. | |||
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"Someone just told me that airbus senior VP said on sky today that the gov asked them to make that statement, perhaps the 64 million they have received from the eu in the last five years have a price after all "Correct it has been reported that the government told Airbus to make that public statement yesterday. Seems like Theresa May trying the old project fear routine again to try to scare MP's into voting for her deal. | |||
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"My ex lives right around the corner and everything is fine they have built a huge fence at the end of the run way. They also house the North Wales police helicopter there apperently and they are currently building a huge building its getting more busy with air traffic than over a year ago. The new buglar is due here soon. Why would they move now when they are very well in Broughton Um because the CEO says so....if it's more profitable to move wing production to Toulouse or Seville or anywhere else they have facilities already, then they will. Airbus is a business and not a charity which exists to provide jobs for the N Walians Someone already explained to you earlier in the thread there are zero tariffs on Airbus wings under WTO rules. So no extra cost to selling from the UK. If Airbus really want to incur extra costs on themselves then moving will do that. The costs of moving production from the UK over to Europe will be much more than any imagined cost from brexit. The wings dont fly themselves to Toulouse..... Transportation costs will remain the same as they are now. Zero tariffs on the wings under WTO rules. So as I said no extra costs to airbus by staying where they are. " Certification costs; customs checks; the higher costs of raw materials with a drop in the value of the pound, certification costs etc etc. I really do think that the CEO of Airbus has his finger on the pulse of the P&L account rather more than you do | |||
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"Someone just told me that airbus senior VP said on sky today that the gov asked them to make that statement, perhaps the 64 million they have received from the eu in the last five years have a price after all
Correct it has been reported that the government told Airbus to make that public statement yesterday. Seems like Theresa May trying the old project fear routine again to try to scare MP's into voting for her deal. "Airbus warned of the consequences of Brexit back in 2016 before the vote. It's not a new stance that theyve just taken | |||
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"Someone just told me that airbus senior VP said on sky today that the gov asked them to make that statement, perhaps the 64 million they have received from the eu in the last five years have a price after all
Correct it has been reported that the government told Airbus to make that public statement yesterday. Seems like Theresa May trying the old project fear routine again to try to scare MP's into voting for her deal.
Airbus warned of the consequences of Brexit back in 2016 before the vote. It's not a new stance that theyve just taken"You do realise 2016 was 3 years ago. It's 2019 and they still haven't moved. A load of hot air, wind and piss. | |||
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"My ex lives right around the corner and everything is fine they have built a huge fence at the end of the run way. They also house the North Wales police helicopter there apperently and they are currently building a huge building its getting more busy with air traffic than over a year ago. The new buglar is due here soon. Why would they move now when they are very well in Broughton Um because the CEO says so....if it's more profitable to move wing production to Toulouse or Seville or anywhere else they have facilities already, then they will. Airbus is a business and not a charity which exists to provide jobs for the N Walians Someone already explained to you earlier in the thread there are zero tariffs on Airbus wings under WTO rules. So no extra cost to selling from the UK. If Airbus really want to incur extra costs on themselves then moving will do that. The costs of moving production from the UK over to Europe will be much more than any imagined cost from brexit. The wings dont fly themselves to Toulouse..... Transportation costs will remain the same as they are now. Zero tariffs on the wings under WTO rules. So as I said no extra costs to airbus by staying where they are. Certification costs; customs checks; the higher costs of raw materials with a drop in the value of the pound, certification costs etc etc. I really do think that the CEO of Airbus has his finger on the pulse of the P&L account rather more than you do" It's pointless pointing out the obvious to him, Centy clearly being a captain of Industry and all.. Who knew eh.. | |||
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"My ex lives right around the corner and everything is fine they have built a huge fence at the end of the run way. They also house the North Wales police helicopter there apperently and they are currently building a huge building its getting more busy with air traffic than over a year ago. The new buglar is due here soon. Why would they move now when they are very well in Broughton Um because the CEO says so....if it's more profitable to move wing production to Toulouse or Seville or anywhere else they have facilities already, then they will. Airbus is a business and not a charity which exists to provide jobs for the N Walians Someone already explained to you earlier in the thread there are zero tariffs on Airbus wings under WTO rules. So no extra cost to selling from the UK. If Airbus really want to incur extra costs on themselves then moving will do that. The costs of moving production from the UK over to Europe will be much more than any imagined cost from brexit. The wings dont fly themselves to Toulouse..... Transportation costs will remain the same as they are now. Zero tariffs on the wings under WTO rules. So as I said no extra costs to airbus by staying where they are. " How the hell can transportation costs be the same. If they move production of wings to Toulouse then they no longer need to fly single wings, of sail double wings from north Wales. | |||
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"Someone just told me that airbus senior VP said on sky today that the gov asked them to make that statement, perhaps the 64 million they have received from the eu in the last five years have a price after all
Correct it has been reported that the government told Airbus to make that public statement yesterday. Seems like Theresa May trying the old project fear routine again to try to scare MP's into voting for her deal. ""Reported"? All that word means that it was written or broadcast in the media. It doesn't make it true. Even if they had been given a green light it does not make the Airbus statement false just because they did not wish to embarrass the government | |||
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"..... super brutal honesty or project super fear? Remember that they were one of the few companies who came out in favour of mays deal so at least they knew where they stood! Project fact coming into play! Time will tell 63 days - bring it on!" | |||
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"My ex lives right around the corner and everything is fine they have built a huge fence at the end of the run way. They also house the North Wales police helicopter there apperently and they are currently building a huge building its getting more busy with air traffic than over a year ago. The new buglar is due here soon. Why would they move now when they are very well in Broughton Um because the CEO says so....if it's more profitable to move wing production to Toulouse or Seville or anywhere else they have facilities already, then they will. Airbus is a business and not a charity which exists to provide jobs for the N Walians Someone already explained to you earlier in the thread there are zero tariffs on Airbus wings under WTO rules. So no extra cost to selling from the UK. If Airbus really want to incur extra costs on themselves then moving will do that. The costs of moving production from the UK over to Europe will be much more than any imagined cost from brexit. The wings dont fly themselves to Toulouse..... Transportation costs will remain the same as they are now. Zero tariffs on the wings under WTO rules. So as I said no extra costs to airbus by staying where they are. How the hell can transportation costs be the same. If they move production of wings to Toulouse then they no longer need to fly single wings, of sail double wings from north Wales. " Based on where they currently are in the uk transportation costs will remain as they currently are after Brexit. North Wales is not moving further north. Moving production, staff, facilities, etc out of the uk would have a significant cost to airbus. | |||
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"My ex lives right around the corner and everything is fine they have built a huge fence at the end of the run way. They also house the North Wales police helicopter there apperently and they are currently building a huge building its getting more busy with air traffic than over a year ago. The new buglar is due here soon. Why would they move now when they are very well in Broughton Um because the CEO says so....if it's more profitable to move wing production to Toulouse or Seville or anywhere else they have facilities already, then they will. Airbus is a business and not a charity which exists to provide jobs for the N Walians Someone already explained to you earlier in the thread there are zero tariffs on Airbus wings under WTO rules. So no extra cost to selling from the UK. If Airbus really want to incur extra costs on themselves then moving will do that. The costs of moving production from the UK over to Europe will be much more than any imagined cost from brexit. The wings dont fly themselves to Toulouse..... Transportation costs will remain the same as they are now. Zero tariffs on the wings under WTO rules. So as I said no extra costs to airbus by staying where they are. How the hell can transportation costs be the same. If they move production of wings to Toulouse then they no longer need to fly single wings, of sail double wings from north Wales. Based on where they currently are in the uk transportation costs will remain as they currently are after Brexit. North Wales is not moving further north. Moving production, staff, facilities, etc out of the uk would have a significant cost to airbus. " They already have infrastructure in Toulouse. | |||
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"My ex lives right around the corner and everything is fine they have built a huge fence at the end of the run way. They also house the North Wales police helicopter there apperently and they are currently building a huge building its getting more busy with air traffic than over a year ago. The new buglar is due here soon. Why would they move now when they are very well in Broughton Um because the CEO says so....if it's more profitable to move wing production to Toulouse or Seville or anywhere else they have facilities already, then they will. Airbus is a business and not a charity which exists to provide jobs for the N Walians Someone already explained to you earlier in the thread there are zero tariffs on Airbus wings under WTO rules. So no extra cost to selling from the UK. If Airbus really want to incur extra costs on themselves then moving will do that. The costs of moving production from the UK over to Europe will be much more than any imagined cost from brexit. The wings dont fly themselves to Toulouse..... Transportation costs will remain the same as they are now. Zero tariffs on the wings under WTO rules. So as I said no extra costs to airbus by staying where they are. How the hell can transportation costs be the same. If they move production of wings to Toulouse then they no longer need to fly single wings, of sail double wings from north Wales. Based on where they currently are in the uk transportation costs will remain as they currently are after Brexit. North Wales is not moving further north. Moving production, staff, facilities, etc out of the uk would have a significant cost to airbus. " Building a wing requires parts and raw materials to ship back and forth without friction. Just like the car industry. This is what you can't seem to get your head around. They won't shut it down. They just won't invest. This is a large scale, long term industry. Like automotive. In twenty years they'll pull down the shutters. You'll be blaming someone else because it will always be someone else's fault. Brexit will be the reason though. You, of course, know more than the Airbus CEO so you must be right | |||
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"My ex lives right around the corner and everything is fine they have built a huge fence at the end of the run way. They also house the North Wales police helicopter there apperently and they are currently building a huge building its getting more busy with air traffic than over a year ago. The new buglar is due here soon. Why would they move now when they are very well in Broughton Um because the CEO says so....if it's more profitable to move wing production to Toulouse or Seville or anywhere else they have facilities already, then they will. Airbus is a business and not a charity which exists to provide jobs for the N Walians Someone already explained to you earlier in the thread there are zero tariffs on Airbus wings under WTO rules. So no extra cost to selling from the UK. If Airbus really want to incur extra costs on themselves then moving will do that. The costs of moving production from the UK over to Europe will be much more than any imagined cost from brexit. The wings dont fly themselves to Toulouse..... Transportation costs will remain the same as they are now. Zero tariffs on the wings under WTO rules. So as I said no extra costs to airbus by staying where they are. How the hell can transportation costs be the same. If they move production of wings to Toulouse then they no longer need to fly single wings, of sail double wings from north Wales. Based on where they currently are in the uk transportation costs will remain as they currently are after Brexit. North Wales is not moving further north. Moving production, staff, facilities, etc out of the uk would have a significant cost to airbus. Building a wing requires parts and raw materials to ship back and forth without friction. Just like the car industry. This is what you can't seem to get your head around. They won't shut it down. They just won't invest. This is a large scale, long term industry. Like automotive. In twenty years they'll pull down the shutters. You'll be blaming someone else because it will always be someone else's fault. Brexit will be the reason though. You, of course, know more than the Airbus CEO so you must be right "The EU won't exist in 20 years. I give it 10 years max before the house of cards collapses. | |||
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"My ex lives right around the corner and everything is fine they have built a huge fence at the end of the run way. They also house the North Wales police helicopter there apperently and they are currently building a huge building its getting more busy with air traffic than over a year ago. The new buglar is due here soon. Why would they move now when they are very well in Broughton Um because the CEO says so....if it's more profitable to move wing production to Toulouse or Seville or anywhere else they have facilities already, then they will. Airbus is a business and not a charity which exists to provide jobs for the N Walians Someone already explained to you earlier in the thread there are zero tariffs on Airbus wings under WTO rules. So no extra cost to selling from the UK. If Airbus really want to incur extra costs on themselves then moving will do that. The costs of moving production from the UK over to Europe will be much more than any imagined cost from brexit. The wings dont fly themselves to Toulouse..... Transportation costs will remain the same as they are now. Zero tariffs on the wings under WTO rules. So as I said no extra costs to airbus by staying where they are. How the hell can transportation costs be the same. If they move production of wings to Toulouse then they no longer need to fly single wings, of sail double wings from north Wales. Based on where they currently are in the uk transportation costs will remain as they currently are after Brexit. North Wales is not moving further north. Moving production, staff, facilities, etc out of the uk would have a significant cost to airbus. Building a wing requires parts and raw materials to ship back and forth without friction. Just like the car industry. This is what you can't seem to get your head around. They won't shut it down. They just won't invest. This is a large scale, long term industry. Like automotive. In twenty years they'll pull down the shutters. You'll be blaming someone else because it will always be someone else's fault. Brexit will be the reason though. You, of course, know more than the Airbus CEO so you must be right
The EU won't exist in 20 years. I give it 10 years max before the house of cards collapses. "Project fear | |||
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"My ex lives right around the corner and everything is fine they have built a huge fence at the end of the run way. They also house the North Wales police helicopter there apperently and they are currently building a huge building its getting more busy with air traffic than over a year ago. The new buglar is due here soon. Why would they move now when they are very well in Broughton Um because the CEO says so....if it's more profitable to move wing production to Toulouse or Seville or anywhere else they have facilities already, then they will. Airbus is a business and not a charity which exists to provide jobs for the N Walians Someone already explained to you earlier in the thread there are zero tariffs on Airbus wings under WTO rules. So no extra cost to selling from the UK. If Airbus really want to incur extra costs on themselves then moving will do that. The costs of moving production from the UK over to Europe will be much more than any imagined cost from brexit. The wings dont fly themselves to Toulouse..... Transportation costs will remain the same as they are now. Zero tariffs on the wings under WTO rules. So as I said no extra costs to airbus by staying where they are. How the hell can transportation costs be the same. If they move production of wings to Toulouse then they no longer need to fly single wings, of sail double wings from north Wales. Based on where they currently are in the uk transportation costs will remain as they currently are after Brexit. North Wales is not moving further north. Moving production, staff, facilities, etc out of the uk would have a significant cost to airbus. Building a wing requires parts and raw materials to ship back and forth without friction. Just like the car industry. This is what you can't seem to get your head around. They won't shut it down. They just won't invest. This is a large scale, long term industry. Like automotive. In twenty years they'll pull down the shutters. You'll be blaming someone else because it will always be someone else's fault. Brexit will be the reason though. You, of course, know more than the Airbus CEO so you must be right
The EU won't exist in 20 years. I give it 10 years max before the house of cards collapses. "You were predicting it would be in 5 years and that was after the vote.. Also that the German, Netherlands and France would have far right parties in power? How's that going.. | |||
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"My ex lives right around the corner and everything is fine they have built a huge fence at the end of the run way. They also house the North Wales police helicopter there apperently and they are currently building a huge building its getting more busy with air traffic than over a year ago. The new buglar is due here soon. Why would they move now when they are very well in Broughton Um because the CEO says so....if it's more profitable to move wing production to Toulouse or Seville or anywhere else they have facilities already, then they will. Airbus is a business and not a charity which exists to provide jobs for the N Walians Someone already explained to you earlier in the thread there are zero tariffs on Airbus wings under WTO rules. So no extra cost to selling from the UK. If Airbus really want to incur extra costs on themselves then moving will do that. The costs of moving production from the UK over to Europe will be much more than any imagined cost from brexit. The wings dont fly themselves to Toulouse..... Transportation costs will remain the same as they are now. Zero tariffs on the wings under WTO rules. So as I said no extra costs to airbus by staying where they are. How the hell can transportation costs be the same. If they move production of wings to Toulouse then they no longer need to fly single wings, of sail double wings from north Wales. Based on where they currently are in the uk transportation costs will remain as they currently are after Brexit. North Wales is not moving further north. Moving production, staff, facilities, etc out of the uk would have a significant cost to airbus. Building a wing requires parts and raw materials to ship back and forth without friction. Just like the car industry. This is what you can't seem to get your head around. They won't shut it down. They just won't invest. This is a large scale, long term industry. Like automotive. In twenty years they'll pull down the shutters. You'll be blaming someone else because it will always be someone else's fault. Brexit will be the reason though. You, of course, know more than the Airbus CEO so you must be right
The EU won't exist in 20 years. I give it 10 years max before the house of cards collapses. "Are you clairvoyant and can you predict the future? | |||
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"My ex lives right around the corner and everything is fine they have built a huge fence at the end of the run way. They also house the North Wales police helicopter there apperently and they are currently building a huge building its getting more busy with air traffic than over a year ago. The new buglar is due here soon. Why would they move now when they are very well in Broughton Um because the CEO says so....if it's more profitable to move wing production to Toulouse or Seville or anywhere else they have facilities already, then they will. Airbus is a business and not a charity which exists to provide jobs for the N Walians Someone already explained to you earlier in the thread there are zero tariffs on Airbus wings under WTO rules. So no extra cost to selling from the UK. If Airbus really want to incur extra costs on themselves then moving will do that. The costs of moving production from the UK over to Europe will be much more than any imagined cost from brexit. The wings dont fly themselves to Toulouse..... Transportation costs will remain the same as they are now. Zero tariffs on the wings under WTO rules. So as I said no extra costs to airbus by staying where they are. How the hell can transportation costs be the same. If they move production of wings to Toulouse then they no longer need to fly single wings, of sail double wings from north Wales. Based on where they currently are in the uk transportation costs will remain as they currently are after Brexit. North Wales is not moving further north. Moving production, staff, facilities, etc out of the uk would have a significant cost to airbus. Building a wing requires parts and raw materials to ship back and forth without friction. Just like the car industry. This is what you can't seem to get your head around. They won't shut it down. They just won't invest. This is a large scale, long term industry. Like automotive. In twenty years they'll pull down the shutters. You'll be blaming someone else because it will always be someone else's fault. Brexit will be the reason though. You, of course, know more than the Airbus CEO so you must be right
The EU won't exist in 20 years. I give it 10 years max before the house of cards collapses.
You were predicting it would be in 5 years and that was after the vote..
Also that the German, Netherlands and France would have far right parties in power?
How's that going.. "The vote was in 2016, not sure how your maths is but 5 years is still not up yet. Marine Le Pen came 2nd in France elections to Macron, he's now in hiding as the yellow vests protest in Paris every weekend for over a month. He dare not offer the french a referendum on EU membership because he says they would vote for Frexit in a heartbeat. Geert Wilders was the 2nd largest party in the Netherlands elections. The AFD humiliated Angela Merkel in Germany and she had to scratch around, plead and beg to cobble together a coalition government with other parties. An anti EU coalition government now rules Italy. Thats how its going and it doesn't look good for the EU. | |||
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"My ex lives right around the corner and everything is fine they have built a huge fence at the end of the run way. They also house the North Wales police helicopter there apperently and they are currently building a huge building its getting more busy with air traffic than over a year ago. The new buglar is due here soon. Why would they move now when they are very well in Broughton Um because the CEO says so....if it's more profitable to move wing production to Toulouse or Seville or anywhere else they have facilities already, then they will. Airbus is a business and not a charity which exists to provide jobs for the N Walians Someone already explained to you earlier in the thread there are zero tariffs on Airbus wings under WTO rules. So no extra cost to selling from the UK. If Airbus really want to incur extra costs on themselves then moving will do that. The costs of moving production from the UK over to Europe will be much more than any imagined cost from brexit. The wings dont fly themselves to Toulouse..... Transportation costs will remain the same as they are now. Zero tariffs on the wings under WTO rules. So as I said no extra costs to airbus by staying where they are. How the hell can transportation costs be the same. If they move production of wings to Toulouse then they no longer need to fly single wings, of sail double wings from north Wales. Based on where they currently are in the uk transportation costs will remain as they currently are after Brexit. North Wales is not moving further north. Moving production, staff, facilities, etc out of the uk would have a significant cost to airbus. Building a wing requires parts and raw materials to ship back and forth without friction. Just like the car industry. This is what you can't seem to get your head around. They won't shut it down. They just won't invest. This is a large scale, long term industry. Like automotive. In twenty years they'll pull down the shutters. You'll be blaming someone else because it will always be someone else's fault. Brexit will be the reason though. You, of course, know more than the Airbus CEO so you must be right
The EU won't exist in 20 years. I give it 10 years max before the house of cards collapses.
Are you clairvoyant and can you predict the future?"Well i did predict Leave would win the referendum in 2016. I also predicted Donald Trump would win the Presidential election in the USA. | |||
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"My ex lives right around the corner and everything is fine they have built a huge fence at the end of the run way. They also house the North Wales police helicopter there apperently and they are currently building a huge building its getting more busy with air traffic than over a year ago. The new buglar is due here soon. Why would they move now when they are very well in Broughton Um because the CEO says so....if it's more profitable to move wing production to Toulouse or Seville or anywhere else they have facilities already, then they will. Airbus is a business and not a charity which exists to provide jobs for the N Walians Someone already explained to you earlier in the thread there are zero tariffs on Airbus wings under WTO rules. So no extra cost to selling from the UK. If Airbus really want to incur extra costs on themselves then moving will do that. The costs of moving production from the UK over to Europe will be much more than any imagined cost from brexit. The wings dont fly themselves to Toulouse..... Transportation costs will remain the same as they are now. Zero tariffs on the wings under WTO rules. So as I said no extra costs to airbus by staying where they are. How the hell can transportation costs be the same. If they move production of wings to Toulouse then they no longer need to fly single wings, of sail double wings from north Wales. Based on where they currently are in the uk transportation costs will remain as they currently are after Brexit. North Wales is not moving further north. Moving production, staff, facilities, etc out of the uk would have a significant cost to airbus. Building a wing requires parts and raw materials to ship back and forth without friction. Just like the car industry. This is what you can't seem to get your head around. They won't shut it down. They just won't invest. This is a large scale, long term industry. Like automotive. In twenty years they'll pull down the shutters. You'll be blaming someone else because it will always be someone else's fault. Brexit will be the reason though. You, of course, know more than the Airbus CEO so you must be right
The EU won't exist in 20 years. I give it 10 years max before the house of cards collapses.
Are you clairvoyant and can you predict the future?
Well i did predict Leave would win the referendum in 2016. I also predicted Donald Trump would win the Presidential election in the USA. "Blah Blah Blah, So what if you predicted? Many people can say that because they won bets. You do not really know what you are writing about, you are so blinded by your idols (Farage and others like him) and you can not see how true it is. There are many wise people here who can notice what is happening and support it with their knowledge and specific arguments, but you do not belong to them. But whatever it all ends, and I hope it will end well for this wonderful country, I wish you good luck. | |||
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"My ex lives right around the corner and everything is fine they have built a huge fence at the end of the run way. They also house the North Wales police helicopter there apperently and they are currently building a huge building its getting more busy with air traffic than over a year ago. The new buglar is due here soon. Why would they move now when they are very well in Broughton Um because the CEO says so....if it's more profitable to move wing production to Toulouse or Seville or anywhere else they have facilities already, then they will. Airbus is a business and not a charity which exists to provide jobs for the N Walians Someone already explained to you earlier in the thread there are zero tariffs on Airbus wings under WTO rules. So no extra cost to selling from the UK. If Airbus really want to incur extra costs on themselves then moving will do that. The costs of moving production from the UK over to Europe will be much more than any imagined cost from brexit. The wings dont fly themselves to Toulouse..... Transportation costs will remain the same as they are now. Zero tariffs on the wings under WTO rules. So as I said no extra costs to airbus by staying where they are. How the hell can transportation costs be the same. If they move production of wings to Toulouse then they no longer need to fly single wings, of sail double wings from north Wales. Based on where they currently are in the uk transportation costs will remain as they currently are after Brexit. North Wales is not moving further north. Moving production, staff, facilities, etc out of the uk would have a significant cost to airbus. Building a wing requires parts and raw materials to ship back and forth without friction. Just like the car industry. This is what you can't seem to get your head around. They won't shut it down. They just won't invest. This is a large scale, long term industry. Like automotive. In twenty years they'll pull down the shutters. You'll be blaming someone else because it will always be someone else's fault. Brexit will be the reason though. You, of course, know more than the Airbus CEO so you must be right
The EU won't exist in 20 years. I give it 10 years max before the house of cards collapses.
Are you clairvoyant and can you predict the future?
Well i did predict Leave would win the referendum in 2016. I also predicted Donald Trump would win the Presidential election in the USA. "You also said that May in 2017 would wipe Labour out and she could get a triple figure majority.. I did suggest you put your money where your mouth was but you declined.. | |||
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" Well i did predict Leave would win the referendum in 2016. I also predicted Donald Trump would win the Presidential election in the USA. " Bloody hell not this yet again. Give yourself a good boy sticker and move on for fucks sake | |||
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" Well i did predict Leave would win the referendum in 2016. I also predicted Donald Trump would win the Presidential election in the USA. Bloody hell not this yet again. Give yourself a good boy sticker and move on for fucks sake "Try reading the previous comments. I was asked a specific question and gave an answer. | |||
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" Well i did predict Leave would win the referendum in 2016. I also predicted Donald Trump would win the Presidential election in the USA. Bloody hell not this yet again. Give yourself a good boy sticker and move on for fucks sake
Try reading the previous comments. I was asked a specific question and gave an answer. "Funny. You usually run away when you're asked a direct question
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" Well i did predict Leave would win the referendum in 2016. I also predicted Donald Trump would win the Presidential election in the USA. Bloody hell not this yet again. Give yourself a good boy sticker and move on for fucks sake
Try reading the previous comments. I was asked a specific question and gave an answer.
Funny. You usually run away when you're asked a direct question
If the UK trades on WTO terms and there's a dispute will the UK Supreme Court have sovereignty? "I've answered all of your questions on here at one time or another. If you don't like an answer to something you just continue to ask the same question over and over and then you claim it hasn't been answered when it has previously. The UK is freeing itself from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice through Brexit. WTO disputes are settled in a truly global international arbitration court so the ECJ has no say in it. I'm happy with that. I don't want to be under the jurisdiction of the ECJ. | |||
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" The UK is freeing itself from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice through Brexit. WTO disputes are settled in a truly global international arbitration court so the ECJ has no say in it. I'm happy with that. I don't want to be under the jurisdiction of the ECJ. " When those who voted to leave come out with guff like this what they really mean is that they don’t like being served by Polish people when they shop in their local Lidl. | |||
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"Someone just told me that airbus senior VP said on sky today that the gov asked them to make that statement, perhaps the 64 million they have received from the eu in the last five years have a price after all
Correct it has been reported that the government told Airbus to make that public statement yesterday. Seems like Theresa May trying the old project fear routine again to try to scare MP's into voting for her deal.
Airbus warned of the consequences of Brexit back in 2016 before the vote. It's not a new stance that theyve just taken
You do realise 2016 was 3 years ago. It's 2019 and they still haven't moved. A load of hot air, wind and piss. "Who could have predicted that there would be a real prospect of No deal back in 2016....remember the promises of cake and eat it too? There's a new reality, which is why people like Airbus are making the consequences of No Deal abundantly clear. I repeat, the CEO of Airbus is rather better qualified to evaluate the impact of no deal on wing production in Broughton than you are | |||
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"so what do we all make of the "idiot" mark francois's response today..... if you hadn't seen it then think to yourself "whats the most xenophobic thing a Tory mp and member of the ERG could say?".... and you would be right about there.... " Francois is the idiot's idiot. A fantastic blend of stupid, xenophobic, arrogant and downright vile. I loathe the man (and I have had the misfortune to have had dealings with him in the past) | |||
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"so what do we all make of the "idiot" mark francois's response today..... if you hadn't seen it then think to yourself "whats the most xenophobic thing a Tory mp and member of the ERG could say?".... and you would be right about there.... " Consistent with some of the rabid Brextremists in here. Intolerant, abusive, insulting. He has lost the plot when he resorts to personal attack. | |||
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"so what do we all make of the "idiot" mark francois's response today..... if you hadn't seen it then think to yourself "whats the most xenophobic thing a Tory mp and member of the ERG could say?".... and you would be right about there.... Consistent with some of the rabid Brextremists in here. Intolerant, abusive, insulting. He has lost the plot when he resorts to personal attack." The most abusive and intolerant posters on here are remainers. Most of you can't post without making personal attacks. | |||
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" Well i did predict Leave would win the referendum in 2016. I also predicted Donald Trump would win the Presidential election in the USA. Bloody hell not this yet again. Give yourself a good boy sticker and move on for fucks sake
Try reading the previous comments. I was asked a specific question and gave an answer.
Funny. You usually run away when you're asked a direct question
If the UK trades on WTO terms and there's a dispute will the UK Supreme Court have sovereignty?
I've answered all of your questions on here at one time or another. If you don't like an answer to something you just continue to ask the same question over and over and then you claim it hasn't been answered when it has previously. The UK is freeing itself from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice through Brexit. WTO disputes are settled in a truly global international arbitration court so the ECJ has no say in it. I'm happy with that. I don't want to be under the jurisdiction of the ECJ. "Yiu really di believe your own lies
So the UK Supreme Court will nit have sovereignty.
You're happy with that
What about other trade agreements? How are they arbitrated? Any idea? Particularly the ones the USA likes
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" Well i did predict Leave would win the referendum in 2016. I also predicted Donald Trump would win the Presidential election in the USA. Bloody hell not this yet again. Give yourself a good boy sticker and move on for fucks sake
Try reading the previous comments. I was asked a specific question and gave an answer.
Funny. You usually run away when you're asked a direct question
If the UK trades on WTO terms and there's a dispute will the UK Supreme Court have sovereignty?
I've answered all of your questions on here at one time or another. If you don't like an answer to something you just continue to ask the same question over and over and then you claim it hasn't been answered when it has previously. The UK is freeing itself from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice through Brexit. WTO disputes are settled in a truly global international arbitration court so the ECJ has no say in it. I'm happy with that. I don't want to be under the jurisdiction of the ECJ.
Yiu really di believe your own lies
So the UK Supreme Court will nit have sovereignty.
You're happy with that
What about other trade agreements? How are they arbitrated? Any idea? Particularly the ones the USA likes
Did UK fishermen sell their licenses themselves?"What lies were told in the post you quoted? Can you be specific? With regard to the ECJ, WTO arbitration court and the UK Supreme court you appear to have completely missed the point about the whole thing in the most spectacular fashion. It appears it needs spelling out to you in more basic terms as you still don't get it. A WTO court of arbitration will only be needed to be consulted when it comes to very narrow, particular and specific points of dispute on trade. That's is where it's intervention starts and that is where it ends. The UK Supreme court will be sovereign in all other areas of uk law after Brexit. The ECJ is not a court that is limited to narrow, particular and specific aspects of trade, as the ECJ also pervades into all other aspects of UK law and is above the UK Supreme court in all areas of law. This is not acceptable. I can accept a WTO court of arbitration being consulted on narrow areas of trade dispute but the UK Supreme court will be sovereign and the final arbiter of UK law in all other areas. The jurisdiction of the ECJ covers all law across the board and over rules the UK Supreme court on every aspect of life in the uk and cannot be accepted any longer so we must leave it when we leave the EU. | |||
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" Well i did predict Leave would win the referendum in 2016. I also predicted Donald Trump would win the Presidential election in the USA. Bloody hell not this yet again. Give yourself a good boy sticker and move on for fucks sake
Try reading the previous comments. I was asked a specific question and gave an answer.
Funny. You usually run away when you're asked a direct question
If the UK trades on WTO terms and there's a dispute will the UK Supreme Court have sovereignty?
I've answered all of your questions on here at one time or another. If you don't like an answer to something you just continue to ask the same question over and over and then you claim it hasn't been answered when it has previously. The UK is freeing itself from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice through Brexit. WTO disputes are settled in a truly global international arbitration court so the ECJ has no say in it. I'm happy with that. I don't want to be under the jurisdiction of the ECJ.
Yiu really di believe your own lies
So the UK Supreme Court will nit have sovereignty.
You're happy with that
What about other trade agreements? How are they arbitrated? Any idea? Particularly the ones the USA likes
Did UK fishermen sell their licenses themselves?
What lies were told in the post you quoted?
Can you be specific?
With regard to the ECJ, WTO arbitration court and the UK Supreme court you appear to have completely missed the point about the whole thing in the most spectacular fashion. It appears it needs spelling out to you in more basic terms as you still don't get it. A WTO court of arbitration will only be needed to be consulted when it comes to very narrow, particular and specific points of dispute on trade. That's is where it's intervention starts and that is where it ends. The UK Supreme court will be sovereign in all other areas of uk law after Brexit.
The ECJ is not a court that is limited to narrow, particular and specific aspects of trade, as the ECJ also pervades into all other aspects of UK law and is above the UK Supreme court in all areas of law. This is not acceptable. I can accept a WTO court of arbitration being consulted on narrow areas of trade dispute but the UK Supreme court will be sovereign and the final arbiter of UK law in all other areas.
The jurisdiction of the ECJ covers all law across the board and over rules the UK Supreme court on every aspect of life in the uk and cannot be accepted any longer so we must leave it when we leave the EU. "You're making stuff up again. You really havent got a clue about the jurisdiction of the ECJ have you? Just because you and your mates keep saying something does not make it true. | |||
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"Can you see anything in common with his superhero Trump?" Well, now you mention it, the relationship with the truth, for both, is tangential at best..... | |||
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"“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it” - Joseph Goebbels" That's never been more so than now unfortunately. | |||
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" Well i did predict Leave would win the referendum in 2016. I also predicted Donald Trump would win the Presidential election in the USA. Bloody hell not this yet again. Give yourself a good boy sticker and move on for fucks sake
Try reading the previous comments. I was asked a specific question and gave an answer.
Funny. You usually run away when you're asked a direct question
If the UK trades on WTO terms and there's a dispute will the UK Supreme Court have sovereignty?
I've answered all of your questions on here at one time or another. If you don't like an answer to something you just continue to ask the same question over and over and then you claim it hasn't been answered when it has previously. The UK is freeing itself from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice through Brexit. WTO disputes are settled in a truly global international arbitration court so the ECJ has no say in it. I'm happy with that. I don't want to be under the jurisdiction of the ECJ.
Yiu really di believe your own lies
So the UK Supreme Court will nit have sovereignty.
You're happy with that
What about other trade agreements? How are they arbitrated? Any idea? Particularly the ones the USA likes
Did UK fishermen sell their licenses themselves?
What lies were told in the post you quoted?
Can you be specific?
With regard to the ECJ, WTO arbitration court and the UK Supreme court you appear to have completely missed the point about the whole thing in the most spectacular fashion. It appears it needs spelling out to you in more basic terms as you still don't get it. A WTO court of arbitration will only be needed to be consulted when it comes to very narrow, particular and specific points of dispute on trade. That's is where it's intervention starts and that is where it ends. The UK Supreme court will be sovereign in all other areas of uk law after Brexit.
The ECJ is not a court that is limited to narrow, particular and specific aspects of trade, as the ECJ also pervades into all other aspects of UK law and is above the UK Supreme court in all areas of law. This is not acceptable. I can accept a WTO court of arbitration being consulted on narrow areas of trade dispute but the UK Supreme court will be sovereign and the final arbiter of UK law in all other areas.
The jurisdiction of the ECJ covers all law across the board and over rules the UK Supreme court on every aspect of life in the uk and cannot be accepted any longer so we must leave it when we leave the EU. "For someone so immersed in this you remain remarkably ignorant. Have you been looking this up inside your internet bubble? You seem to have a lot of new vocabulary all of a sudden
The WTO court of arbitration and the ECJ are both treaty courts. Nothing more, nothing less.
The European Court of Human Rights has far more wide ranging powers but that is not part of the EU. We set that up separately to have an organisation to hold governments to an authority that could not be swayed by national politics to victimise individuals, minority groups or the population at large.
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"What a lot of nonsense. The WTO court adjudicates on the rules of the WTO. The ECJ adjudicates on the rules of the EU. The UK court adjudicates on the rules of the UK." THe uk Supreme Court can refer questions to ECJ, but other than Eu law, cases can’t get appealed to it. | |||
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"What a lot of nonsense. The WTO court adjudicates on the rules of the WTO. The ECJ adjudicates on the rules of the EU. The UK court adjudicates on the rules of the UK. THe uk Supreme Court can refer questions to ECJ, but other than Eu law, cases can’t get appealed to it. " And as we have seen over the last couple of years, we are more embroiled in EU law than anyone ever thought. | |||
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"What a lot of nonsense. The WTO court adjudicates on the rules of the WTO. The ECJ adjudicates on the rules of the EU. The UK court adjudicates on the rules of the UK. THe uk Supreme Court can refer questions to ECJ, but other than Eu law, cases can’t get appealed to it. And as we have seen over the last couple of years, we are more embroiled in EU law than anyone ever thought." Eu law (tends to be trade) and Eu directives which are incorporated into the uk law, are different things. The consumer rights act is uk law, absorbing an Eu directive. You can’t appeal to ECJ if the uk Supreme Court rules against you under this law. The SC can ask ECJ to clarify a point on the underlying directive to make sure it is applying the CRA as per the directive. | |||
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"What a lot of nonsense. The WTO court adjudicates on the rules of the WTO. The ECJ adjudicates on the rules of the EU. The UK court adjudicates on the rules of the UK. THe uk Supreme Court can refer questions to ECJ, but other than Eu law, cases can’t get appealed to it. And as we have seen over the last couple of years, we are more embroiled in EU law than anyone ever thought." Meaningless outrage. What do you mean by "embroiled"? | |||
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"What a lot of nonsense. The WTO court adjudicates on the rules of the WTO. The ECJ adjudicates on the rules of the EU. The UK court adjudicates on the rules of the UK. THe uk Supreme Court can refer questions to ECJ, but other than Eu law, cases can’t get appealed to it. And as we have seen over the last couple of years, we are more embroiled in EU law than anyone ever thought." Eu law (tends to be trade) and Eu directives which are incorporated into the uk law, are different things. The consumer rights act is uk law, absorbing an Eu directive. You can’t appeal to ECJ if the uk Supreme Court rules against you under this law. The SC can ask ECJ to clarify a point on the underlying directive to make sure it is applying the CRA as per the directive. | |||
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" Well i did predict Leave would win the referendum in 2016. I also predicted Donald Trump would win the Presidential election in the USA. Bloody hell not this yet again. Give yourself a good boy sticker and move on for fucks sake
Try reading the previous comments. I was asked a specific question and gave an answer.
Funny. You usually run away when you're asked a direct question
If the UK trades on WTO terms and there's a dispute will the UK Supreme Court have sovereignty?
I've answered all of your questions on here at one time or another. If you don't like an answer to something you just continue to ask the same question over and over and then you claim it hasn't been answered when it has previously. The UK is freeing itself from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice through Brexit. WTO disputes are settled in a truly global international arbitration court so the ECJ has no say in it. I'm happy with that. I don't want to be under the jurisdiction of the ECJ.
Yiu really di believe your own lies
So the UK Supreme Court will nit have sovereignty.
You're happy with that
What about other trade agreements? How are they arbitrated? Any idea? Particularly the ones the USA likes
Did UK fishermen sell their licenses themselves?
What lies were told in the post you quoted?
Can you be specific?
With regard to the ECJ, WTO arbitration court and the UK Supreme court you appear to have completely missed the point about the whole thing in the most spectacular fashion. It appears it needs spelling out to you in more basic terms as you still don't get it. A WTO court of arbitration will only be needed to be consulted when it comes to very narrow, particular and specific points of dispute on trade. That's is where it's intervention starts and that is where it ends. The UK Supreme court will be sovereign in all other areas of uk law after Brexit.
The ECJ is not a court that is limited to narrow, particular and specific aspects of trade, as the ECJ also pervades into all other aspects of UK law and is above the UK Supreme court in all areas of law. This is not acceptable. I can accept a WTO court of arbitration being consulted on narrow areas of trade dispute but the UK Supreme court will be sovereign and the final arbiter of UK law in all other areas.
The jurisdiction of the ECJ covers all law across the board and over rules the UK Supreme court on every aspect of life in the uk and cannot be accepted any longer so we must leave it when we leave the EU.
For someone so immersed in this you remain remarkably ignorant.
Have you been looking this up inside your internet bubble?
You seem to have a lot of new vocabulary all of a sudden
The WTO court of arbitration and the ECJ are both treaty courts. Nothing more, nothing less.
The European Court of Human Rights has far more wide ranging powers but that is not part of the EU. We set that up separately to have an organisation to hold governments to an authority that could not be swayed by national politics to victimise individuals, minority groups or the population at large.
I understand you out of that too despite you thinking that the UK High Court justices are "enemies of the people" "I never once mentioned the European Court of Human rights (ECHR) so why are you bringing that into it? The European Court of Human rights is separate to the European Court of Justice (ECJ) which is what we're talking about here. At least try to stay on topic. | |||
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"What a lot of nonsense. The WTO court adjudicates on the rules of the WTO. The ECJ adjudicates on the rules of the EU. The UK court adjudicates on the rules of the UK. THe uk Supreme Court can refer questions to ECJ, but other than Eu law, cases can’t get appealed to it. And as we have seen over the last couple of years, we are more embroiled in EU law than anyone ever thought." Unfortunately that Is all too true. | |||
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"What a lot of nonsense. The WTO court adjudicates on the rules of the WTO. The ECJ adjudicates on the rules of the EU. The UK court adjudicates on the rules of the UK. THe uk Supreme Court can refer questions to ECJ, but other than Eu law, cases can’t get appealed to it. And as we have seen over the last couple of years, we are more embroiled in EU law than anyone ever thought. Unfortunately that Is all too true. "Can you name one instance where the ECJ has heard an appeal case on UK law? I’m happy for my understanding to be corrected, as I’m not a lawyer. | |||
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"What a lot of nonsense. The WTO court adjudicates on the rules of the WTO. The ECJ adjudicates on the rules of the EU. The UK court adjudicates on the rules of the UK. THe uk Supreme Court can refer questions to ECJ, but other than Eu law, cases can’t get appealed to it. And as we have seen over the last couple of years, we are more embroiled in EU law than anyone ever thought. Unfortunately that Is all too true.
Can you name one instance where the ECJ has heard an appeal case on UK law? I’m happy for my understanding to be corrected, as I’m not a lawyer. "the reason you won't hear many instances is that in the history of the ECJ... the ECJ has agreed with the UK govt position on law 97% of the time.... i bet there aren't many couples on here that agree that often on everything that comes up........  | |||
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"so what do we all make of the "idiot" mark francois's response today..... if you hadn't seen it then think to yourself "whats the most xenophobic thing a Tory mp and member of the ERG could say?".... and you would be right about there.... Consistent with some of the rabid Brextremists in here. Intolerant, abusive, insulting. He has lost the plot when he resorts to personal attack. The most abusive and intolerant posters on here are remainers. Most of you can't post without making personal attacks. " thats one of those "I won't condemn what he said so i'll use whataboutism to deflect the subject......" you have been using the same tactic in here since charlottesville.... don't think we don't recognise what you do by now!!! | |||
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" Well i did predict Leave would win the referendum in 2016. I also predicted Donald Trump would win the Presidential election in the USA. Bloody hell not this yet again. Give yourself a good boy sticker and move on for fucks sake
Try reading the previous comments. I was asked a specific question and gave an answer.
Funny. You usually run away when you're asked a direct question
If the UK trades on WTO terms and there's a dispute will the UK Supreme Court have sovereignty?
I've answered all of your questions on here at one time or another. If you don't like an answer to something you just continue to ask the same question over and over and then you claim it hasn't been answered when it has previously. The UK is freeing itself from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice through Brexit. WTO disputes are settled in a truly global international arbitration court so the ECJ has no say in it. I'm happy with that. I don't want to be under the jurisdiction of the ECJ.
Yiu really di believe your own lies
So the UK Supreme Court will nit have sovereignty.
You're happy with that
What about other trade agreements? How are they arbitrated? Any idea? Particularly the ones the USA likes
Did UK fishermen sell their licenses themselves?
What lies were told in the post you quoted?
Can you be specific?
With regard to the ECJ, WTO arbitration court and the UK Supreme court you appear to have completely missed the point about the whole thing in the most spectacular fashion. It appears it needs spelling out to you in more basic terms as you still don't get it. A WTO court of arbitration will only be needed to be consulted when it comes to very narrow, particular and specific points of dispute on trade. That's is where it's intervention starts and that is where it ends. The UK Supreme court will be sovereign in all other areas of uk law after Brexit.
The ECJ is not a court that is limited to narrow, particular and specific aspects of trade, as the ECJ also pervades into all other aspects of UK law and is above the UK Supreme court in all areas of law. This is not acceptable. I can accept a WTO court of arbitration being consulted on narrow areas of trade dispute but the UK Supreme court will be sovereign and the final arbiter of UK law in all other areas.
The jurisdiction of the ECJ covers all law across the board and over rules the UK Supreme court on every aspect of life in the uk and cannot be accepted any longer so we must leave it when we leave the EU.
For someone so immersed in this you remain remarkably ignorant.
Have you been looking this up inside your internet bubble?
You seem to have a lot of new vocabulary all of a sudden
The WTO court of arbitration and the ECJ are both treaty courts. Nothing more, nothing less.
The European Court of Human Rights has far more wide ranging powers but that is not part of the EU. We set that up separately to have an organisation to hold governments to an authority that could not be swayed by national politics to victimise individuals, minority groups or the population at large.
I understand you out of that too despite you thinking that the UK High Court justices are "enemies of the people"
I never once mentioned the European Court of Human rights (ECHR) so why are you bringing that into it? The European Court of Human rights is separate to the European Court of Justice (ECJ) which is what we're talking about here. At least try to stay on topic. "Sigh. Perfectly on topic. I know that you only recently learned the difference between these courts, but there's no need to lecture me. I mentioned the ECHR because it is the only court that can overrule UK law or precedent. The ECJ is limited to agreed areas of competence. It does not cover all law across the board. The US Federal Court can and will demand the prosecution of UK nationals if any financial transaction passes through the UK regardless of UK law. The international criminal court also has jurisdiction over UK law. All trade agreements that we sign will be subject to arbitration, much of it conducted behind closed doors. The USA is particularly keen on investor-state dispute resolution which allows secret hearings and judgements. It allows companies to sue governments for loss of profits if new legislation is brought. Even on public health grounds. Your hero Trump is particularly keen on these and not the WTO. Inform yourself before accusing others of ignorance | |||
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" The EU won't exist in 20 years. I give it 10 years max before the house of cards collapses. " Twice as long as the U.K then Once the dust settles & the 2 entities on the island of Ireland unify under 1 Flag. Scotland will get there 2nd referendum & all that will be left is England & Wales , Mi us London of course which will have signed a special deal with the New European States on its Eternal memebership.  | |||
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"..... super brutal honesty or project super fear? Remember that they were one of the few companies who came out in favour of mays deal so at least they knew where they stood!" Interestingly, their largest factory, the one that makes wings, is NOT in England! Yes, I do know it's on the outskirts of Chester, it's a place called Broughton. Yes, Chester IS in England. (mostly) And yes, I do know that Wales voted leave. However, I also know full well that the area around Airbus in Broughton is very industrial. The small industrial estates around the area are home to many specialist aeronautical and even spacial companies. (Clue - think satellites) Within less than an hours drive of Airbus in Broughton are many cities - Manchester, Birmingham, Liverpool to name but 3. Liverpool has the port facilities to handle the worlds largest container ships. Also within 1 hours drive of Airbus Broughton is a manufacturing plant of an Eirean company called Kingspan. And a humongous company which hand-makes beds & sofas for retailers including Marks & Spencer. (Ever wondered why so many Marks n Sparks trucks are going over the Flintshire bridge and tootling up the coast road? And if that is not enough, let me point out that one of England's greatest footballers, Michael Owen, lives in an area over which the Airbus Beluga aircraft pass as often as several times a day. But who needs Airbus? | |||
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"..... super brutal honesty or project super fear? Remember that they were one of the few companies who came out in favour of mays deal so at least they knew where they stood! Interestingly, their largest factory, the one that makes wings, is NOT in England! Yes, I do know it's on the outskirts of Chester, it's a place called Broughton. Yes, Chester IS in England. (mostly) And yes, I do know that Wales voted leave. However, I also know full well that the area around Airbus in Broughton is very industrial. The small industrial estates around the area are home to many specialist aeronautical and even spacial companies. (Clue - think satellites) Within less than an hours drive of Airbus in Broughton are many cities - Manchester, Birmingham, Liverpool to name but 3. Liverpool has the port facilities to handle the worlds largest container ships. Also within 1 hours drive of Airbus Broughton is a manufacturing plant of an Eirean company called Kingspan. And a humongous company which hand-makes beds & sofas for retailers including Marks & Spencer. (Ever wondered why so many Marks n Sparks trucks are going over the Flintshire bridge and tootling up the coast road? And if that is not enough, let me point out that one of England's greatest footballers, Michael Owen, lives in an area over which the Airbus Beluga aircraft pass as often as several times a day. But who needs Airbus?" So if airbus move some production there will be other jobs for the highly skilled workforce making sofa's? Or insulation.. And Micheal Owen? How does he fit into all this? | |||
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"..... super brutal honesty or project super fear? Remember that they were one of the few companies who came out in favour of mays deal so at least they knew where they stood! Interestingly, their largest factory, the one that makes wings, is NOT in England! Yes, I do know it's on the outskirts of Chester, it's a place called Broughton. Yes, Chester IS in England. (mostly) And yes, I do know that Wales voted leave. However, I also know full well that the area around Airbus in Broughton is very industrial. The small industrial estates around the area are home to many specialist aeronautical and even spacial companies. (Clue - think satellites) Within less than an hours drive of Airbus in Broughton are many cities - Manchester, Birmingham, Liverpool to name but 3. Liverpool has the port facilities to handle the worlds largest container ships. Also within 1 hours drive of Airbus Broughton is a manufacturing plant of an Eirean company called Kingspan. And a humongous company which hand-makes beds & sofas for retailers including Marks & Spencer. (Ever wondered why so many Marks n Sparks trucks are going over the Flintshire bridge and tootling up the coast road? And if that is not enough, let me point out that one of England's greatest footballers, Michael Owen, lives in an area over which the Airbus Beluga aircraft pass as often as several times a day. But who needs Airbus? So if airbus move some production there will be other jobs for the highly skilled workforce making sofa's? Or insulation.. And Micheal Owen? How does he fit into all this? " Well, if Airbus leave Broughton, then there will inevitably be closure of other specialist businesses close to the airbus factory which rely on the airbus custom. Not least of which would be the port of Mostyn, which relies on Airbus as well as the off shore wind farms. Now the off shore wind farms obviously won't be moving, but their owners could choose to close them down. But that's okay coz the UK is completely independent of any other country for power (electricity) generation? Yeah? Right? So, Airbus, Marks n Sparks sofas and Michael Owen. All based outside of England. Hope that helps, doubt that it does. | |||
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"The European Medicines Regulator has left London for Amsterdam. -900 jobs " And thousands of hotel bed nights lost with knock on reduced business for restaurants and pubs | |||
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"The European Medicines Regulator has left London for Amsterdam. -900 jobs And thousands of hotel bed nights lost with knock on reduced business for restaurants and pubs" Lost hotel bed nights with a knock on reduced business only applies to those interminably insane chains such as Premier and Travel and such like which build on vacant brown sites and rely on their bedroom guests making a choice between a 5 mile hike to the next nearest pub or taking a kellogs breakfast cereal for for breakfast. If you've ever actually stayed at any of these moronic Motel style lodges, then you know where I'm coming from. | |||
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"..... super brutal honesty or project super fear? Remember that they were one of the few companies who came out in favour of mays deal so at least they knew where they stood! Interestingly, their largest factory, the one that makes wings, is NOT in England! Yes, I do know it's on the outskirts of Chester, it's a place called Broughton. Yes, Chester IS in England. (mostly) And yes, I do know that Wales voted leave. However, I also know full well that the area around Airbus in Broughton is very industrial. The small industrial estates around the area are home to many specialist aeronautical and even spacial companies. (Clue - think satellites) Within less than an hours drive of Airbus in Broughton are many cities - Manchester, Birmingham, Liverpool to name but 3. Liverpool has the port facilities to handle the worlds largest container ships. Also within 1 hours drive of Airbus Broughton is a manufacturing plant of an Eirean company called Kingspan. And a humongous company which hand-makes beds & sofas for retailers including Marks & Spencer. (Ever wondered why so many Marks n Sparks trucks are going over the Flintshire bridge and tootling up the coast road? And if that is not enough, let me point out that one of England's greatest footballers, Michael Owen, lives in an area over which the Airbus Beluga aircraft pass as often as several times a day. But who needs Airbus? So if airbus move some production there will be other jobs for the highly skilled workforce making sofa's? Or insulation.. And Micheal Owen? How does he fit into all this? Well, if Airbus leave Broughton, then there will inevitably be closure of other specialist businesses close to the airbus factory which rely on the airbus custom. Not least of which would be the port of Mostyn, which relies on Airbus as well as the off shore wind farms. Now the off shore wind farms obviously won't be moving, but their owners could choose to close them down. But that's okay coz the UK is completely independent of any other country for power (electricity) generation? Yeah? Right? So, Airbus, Marks n Sparks sofas and Michael Owen. All based outside of England. Hope that helps, doubt that it does. " I get where your coming from with a large industry having local suppliers and the knock on effects etc but Michael Owen? | |||
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"The European Medicines Regulator has left London for Amsterdam. -900 jobs And thousands of hotel bed nights lost with knock on reduced business for restaurants and pubs Lost hotel bed nights with a knock on reduced business only applies to those interminably insane chains such as Premier and Travel and such like which build on vacant brown sites and rely on their bedroom guests making a choice between a 5 mile hike to the next nearest pub or taking a kellogs breakfast cereal for for breakfast. If you've ever actually stayed at any of these moronic Motel style lodges, then you know where I'm coming from." However, they do employ people. Those people do spend their money too, etc. etc. The money multiplier. I do know where you're coming from but I wouldn't wish them gone. | |||
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"The European Medicines Regulator has left London for Amsterdam. -900 jobs And thousands of hotel bed nights lost with knock on reduced business for restaurants and pubs Lost hotel bed nights with a knock on reduced business only applies to those interminably insane chains such as Premier and Travel and such like which build on vacant brown sites and rely on their bedroom guests making a choice between a 5 mile hike to the next nearest pub or taking a kellogs breakfast cereal for for breakfast. If you've ever actually stayed at any of these moronic Motel style lodges, then you know where I'm coming from. However, they do employ people. Those people do spend their money too, etc. etc. The money multiplier. I do know where you're coming from but I wouldn't wish them gone." this is why they say that if airbus did go... there would be 11,000 jobs gone "directly" .... and approx 100,000 jobs "indirectly" thru supply chains, money not being spent in areas ect..... | |||
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"The European Medicines Regulator has left London for Amsterdam. -900 jobs And thousands of hotel bed nights lost with knock on reduced business for restaurants and pubs Lost hotel bed nights with a knock on reduced business only applies to those interminably insane chains such as Premier and Travel and such like which build on vacant brown sites and rely on their bedroom guests making a choice between a 5 mile hike to the next nearest pub or taking a kellogs breakfast cereal for for breakfast. If you've ever actually stayed at any of these moronic Motel style lodges, then you know where I'm coming from." Executives from pharma businesses and senior officials from the 27 other EU countries stay in 4star hotels and dine in good restaurants when in London to meet with the END. They do not stay in travel lodge or eat in cafes. | |||
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"Airbus will do what ever is best for themselves as any Company does. Did you no they have massive production facilities in America and China. Set up years ago but that must be the pre Brexit effect. What happened to European solidarity ? Or do they just put out project fear when they are after another hand out / loan / Brown envelope." I'm not sure what you're point is. They said that they would eventually disinvest in the UK because it would not make economic sense to do otherwise. What has that to do with manufacturing in the USA or China? | |||
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"..... super brutal honesty or project super fear? Remember that they were one of the few companies who came out in favour of mays deal so at least they knew where they stood!" More Project rip off | |||
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"Airbus will do what ever is best for themselves as any Company does. Did you no they have massive production facilities in America and China. Set up years ago but that must be the pre Brexit effect. What happened to European solidarity ? Or do they just put out project fear when they are after another hand out / loan / Brown envelope. I'm not sure what you're point is. They said that they would eventually disinvest in the UK because it would not make economic sense to do otherwise. What has that to do with manufacturing in the USA or China?" Airbus have orders coming out of their ears. America and China are massive markets and to avoid massive tariffs they came to an agreement to make them in these countries. Help was given to build these factories. It is a massive agro to make the wings and then ship them to Europe for sticking on the rest of the aircraft. But for some reason aircraft are made this way. Look at the Boeing 747. Bits come from all over the world to be put together. | |||
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"Airbus will do what ever is best for themselves as any Company does. Did you no they have massive production facilities in America and China. Set up years ago but that must be the pre Brexit effect. What happened to European solidarity ? Or do they just put out project fear when they are after another hand out / loan / Brown envelope. I'm not sure what you're point is. They said that they would eventually disinvest in the UK because it would not make economic sense to do otherwise. What has that to do with manufacturing in the USA or China? Airbus have orders coming out of their ears. America and China are massive markets and to avoid massive tariffs they came to an agreement to make them in these countries. Help was given to build these factories. It is a massive agro to make the wings and then ship them to Europe for sticking on the rest of the aircraft. But for some reason aircraft are made this way. Look at the Boeing 747. Bits come from all over the world to be put together." I did know that they have factories in the USA and China. The US factory was set up in anticipation of a military tanker programme that requires US production. It will now build the A220 which they acquired from Bombardier. China requires technology transfer. What is your actual point? Again, what has that got to do with European solidarity? Airbus did not say that they would immediately shut-up shop. They said it would affect their future investment. They currently have a cost advantage over Boeing because they operate in a free trade zone with zero delays to shipping material and personnel. Why should they keep investing in the UK after Brexit? What advantage will it bring? European solidarity surely means that they should move out of the UK. | |||
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"INTERNATIONAL trade secretary Liam Fox has complained that UK businesses are ‘ignoring the opportunities’ offered by the meteor set to impact central London in 2019. Fox has told the business community and the media that they need to be more positive about the coming asteroid, which will replace the capital with an 180-mile diameter crater. He continued: “Day after day I see the same moaning faces. “‘What’s the point in investing in developments that will be atomised in less than two years, Mr Fox?’ ‘Won’t this badly affect Britain’s standing in the international community, Mr Fox?’ ‘Can the meteor not be stopped, Mr Fox?’ “And the BBC, my lord. If I see one more report that begins ‘Despite the meteor, it may be possible for small communities in the Outer Hebrides to survive,’ I swear I’ll write a letter. “What about looking at the upside? What about the expected boom in traditional hunter-gatherer businesses? What about world-leading low-carbon economy we’ll achieve at a stroke? “This asteroid has chosen to hit Britain. Not France, America or China. Britain. Is it only me who sees that as an extraordinary privilege? Is it just me who cannot wait?”" Cuckoo | |||
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"INTERNATIONAL trade secretary Liam Fox has complained that UK businesses are ‘ignoring the opportunities’ offered by the meteor set to impact central London in 2019. Fox has told the business community and the media that they need to be more positive about the coming asteroid, which will replace the capital with an 180-mile diameter crater. He continued: “Day after day I see the same moaning faces. “‘What’s the point in investing in developments that will be atomised in less than two years, Mr Fox?’ ‘Won’t this badly affect Britain’s standing in the international community, Mr Fox?’ ‘Can the meteor not be stopped, Mr Fox?’ “And the BBC, my lord. If I see one more report that begins ‘Despite the meteor, it may be possible for small communities in the Outer Hebrides to survive,’ I swear I’ll write a letter. “What about looking at the upside? What about the expected boom in traditional hunter-gatherer businesses? What about world-leading low-carbon economy we’ll achieve at a stroke? “This asteroid has chosen to hit Britain. Not France, America or China. Britain. Is it only me who sees that as an extraordinary privilege? Is it just me who cannot wait?” Cuckoo"
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"Airbus will do what ever is best for themselves as any Company does. Did you no they have massive production facilities in America and China. Set up years ago but that must be the pre Brexit effect. What happened to European solidarity ? Or do they just put out project fear when they are after another hand out / loan / Brown envelope. I'm not sure what you're point is. They said that they would eventually disinvest in the UK because it would not make economic sense to do otherwise. What has that to do with manufacturing in the USA or China? Airbus have orders coming out of their ears. America and China are massive markets and to avoid massive tariffs they came to an agreement to make them in these countries. Help was given to build these factories. It is a massive agro to make the wings and then ship them to Europe for sticking on the rest of the aircraft. But for some reason aircraft are made this way. Look at the Boeing 747. Bits come from all over the world to be put together. I did know that they have factories in the USA and China. The US factory was set up in anticipation of a military tanker programme that requires US production. It will now build the A220 which they acquired from Bombardier. China requires technology transfer. What is your actual point? Again, what has that got to do with European solidarity? Airbus did not say that they would immediately shut-up shop. They said it would affect their future investment. They currently have a cost advantage over Boeing because they operate in a free trade zone with zero delays to shipping material and personnel. Why should they keep investing in the UK after Brexit? What advantage will it bring? European solidarity surely means that they should move out of the UK." Why should the largest Sovereign wealth fund in the world (Norway's £740 billion) continue to invest in the UK after Brexit? European solidarity surely means they should move out of the UK. Only they're not moving out of the UK and announced yesterday they will increase their investments in the UK after we leave the EU. Further more it is not dependent on a deal with the EU either, Norway say they will increase investments in the UK after Brexit whether we have a deal or not is irrelevant to them as they say Britain will be stronger out of the EU regardless. | |||
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"Airbus will do what ever is best for themselves as any Company does. Did you no they have massive production facilities in America and China. Set up years ago but that must be the pre Brexit effect. What happened to European solidarity ? Or do they just put out project fear when they are after another hand out / loan / Brown envelope. I'm not sure what you're point is. They said that they would eventually disinvest in the UK because it would not make economic sense to do otherwise. What has that to do with manufacturing in the USA or China? Airbus have orders coming out of their ears. America and China are massive markets and to avoid massive tariffs they came to an agreement to make them in these countries. Help was given to build these factories. It is a massive agro to make the wings and then ship them to Europe for sticking on the rest of the aircraft. But for some reason aircraft are made this way. Look at the Boeing 747. Bits come from all over the world to be put together. I did know that they have factories in the USA and China. The US factory was set up in anticipation of a military tanker programme that requires US production. It will now build the A220 which they acquired from Bombardier. China requires technology transfer. What is your actual point? Again, what has that got to do with European solidarity? Airbus did not say that they would immediately shut-up shop. They said it would affect their future investment. They currently have a cost advantage over Boeing because they operate in a free trade zone with zero delays to shipping material and personnel. Why should they keep investing in the UK after Brexit? What advantage will it bring? European solidarity surely means that they should move out of the UK. Why should the largest Sovereign wealth fund in the world (Norway's £740 billion) continue to invest in the UK after Brexit? European solidarity surely means they should move out of the UK. Only they're not moving out of the UK and announced yesterday they will increase their investments in the UK after we leave the EU. Further more it is not dependent on a deal with the EU either, Norway say they will increase investments in the UK after Brexit whether we have a deal or not is irrelevant to them as they say Britain will be stronger out of the EU regardless. " You know Norway aren’t in the EU don’t you? | |||
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"Airbus will do what ever is best for themselves as any Company does. Did you no they have massive production facilities in America and China. Set up years ago but that must be the pre Brexit effect. What happened to European solidarity ? Or do they just put out project fear when they are after another hand out / loan / Brown envelope. I'm not sure what you're point is. They said that they would eventually disinvest in the UK because it would not make economic sense to do otherwise. What has that to do with manufacturing in the USA or China? Airbus have orders coming out of their ears. America and China are massive markets and to avoid massive tariffs they came to an agreement to make them in these countries. Help was given to build these factories. It is a massive agro to make the wings and then ship them to Europe for sticking on the rest of the aircraft. But for some reason aircraft are made this way. Look at the Boeing 747. Bits come from all over the world to be put together. I did know that they have factories in the USA and China. The US factory was set up in anticipation of a military tanker programme that requires US production. It will now build the A220 which they acquired from Bombardier. China requires technology transfer. What is your actual point? Again, what has that got to do with European solidarity? Airbus did not say that they would immediately shut-up shop. They said it would affect their future investment. They currently have a cost advantage over Boeing because they operate in a free trade zone with zero delays to shipping material and personnel. Why should they keep investing in the UK after Brexit? What advantage will it bring? European solidarity surely means that they should move out of the UK. Why should the largest Sovereign wealth fund in the world (Norway's £740 billion) continue to invest in the UK after Brexit? European solidarity surely means they should move out of the UK. Only they're not moving out of the UK and announced yesterday they will increase their investments in the UK after we leave the EU. Further more it is not dependent on a deal with the EU either, Norway say they will increase investments in the UK after Brexit whether we have a deal or not is irrelevant to them as they say Britain will be stronger out of the EU regardless. You know Norway aren’t in the EU don’t you?" They're in Europe though and they're in the EEA. | |||
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"Airbus will do what ever is best for themselves as any Company does. Did you no they have massive production facilities in America and China. Set up years ago but that must be the pre Brexit effect. What happened to European solidarity ? Or do they just put out project fear when they are after another hand out / loan / Brown envelope. I'm not sure what you're point is. They said that they would eventually disinvest in the UK because it would not make economic sense to do otherwise. What has that to do with manufacturing in the USA or China? Airbus have orders coming out of their ears. America and China are massive markets and to avoid massive tariffs they came to an agreement to make them in these countries. Help was given to build these factories. It is a massive agro to make the wings and then ship them to Europe for sticking on the rest of the aircraft. But for some reason aircraft are made this way. Look at the Boeing 747. Bits come from all over the world to be put together. I did know that they have factories in the USA and China. The US factory was set up in anticipation of a military tanker programme that requires US production. It will now build the A220 which they acquired from Bombardier. China requires technology transfer. What is your actual point? Again, what has that got to do with European solidarity? Airbus did not say that they would immediately shut-up shop. They said it would affect their future investment. They currently have a cost advantage over Boeing because they operate in a free trade zone with zero delays to shipping material and personnel. Why should they keep investing in the UK after Brexit? What advantage will it bring? European solidarity surely means that they should move out of the UK. Why should the largest Sovereign wealth fund in the world (Norway's £740 billion) continue to invest in the UK after Brexit? European solidarity surely means they should move out of the UK. Only they're not moving out of the UK and announced yesterday they will increase their investments in the UK after we leave the EU. Further more it is not dependent on a deal with the EU either, Norway say they will increase investments in the UK after Brexit whether we have a deal or not is irrelevant to them as they say Britain will be stronger out of the EU regardless. You know Norway aren’t in the EU don’t you? They're in Europe though and they're in the EEA. " In case you missed it, so are we | |||
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"Airbus will do what ever is best for themselves as any Company does. Did you no they have massive production facilities in America and China. Set up years ago but that must be the pre Brexit effect. What happened to European solidarity ? Or do they just put out project fear when they are after another hand out / loan / Brown envelope. I'm not sure what you're point is. They said that they would eventually disinvest in the UK because it would not make economic sense to do otherwise. What has that to do with manufacturing in the USA or China? Airbus have orders coming out of their ears. America and China are massive markets and to avoid massive tariffs they came to an agreement to make them in these countries. Help was given to build these factories. It is a massive agro to make the wings and then ship them to Europe for sticking on the rest of the aircraft. But for some reason aircraft are made this way. Look at the Boeing 747. Bits come from all over the world to be put together. I did know that they have factories in the USA and China. The US factory was set up in anticipation of a military tanker programme that requires US production. It will now build the A220 which they acquired from Bombardier. China requires technology transfer. What is your actual point? Again, what has that got to do with European solidarity? Airbus did not say that they would immediately shut-up shop. They said it would affect their future investment. They currently have a cost advantage over Boeing because they operate in a free trade zone with zero delays to shipping material and personnel. Why should they keep investing in the UK after Brexit? What advantage will it bring? European solidarity surely means that they should move out of the UK. Why should the largest Sovereign wealth fund in the world (Norway's £740 billion) continue to invest in the UK after Brexit? European solidarity surely means they should move out of the UK. Only they're not moving out of the UK and announced yesterday they will increase their investments in the UK after we leave the EU. Further more it is not dependent on a deal with the EU either, Norway say they will increase investments in the UK after Brexit whether we have a deal or not is irrelevant to them as they say Britain will be stronger out of the EU regardless. You know Norway aren’t in the EU don’t you? They're in Europe though and they're in the EEA. In case you missed it, so are we "So what is your point? | |||
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"Airbus will do what ever is best for themselves as any Company does. Did you no they have massive production facilities in America and China. Set up years ago but that must be the pre Brexit effect. What happened to European solidarity ? Or do they just put out project fear when they are after another hand out / loan / Brown envelope. I'm not sure what you're point is. They said that they would eventually disinvest in the UK because it would not make economic sense to do otherwise. What has that to do with manufacturing in the USA or China? Airbus have orders coming out of their ears. America and China are massive markets and to avoid massive tariffs they came to an agreement to make them in these countries. Help was given to build these factories. It is a massive agro to make the wings and then ship them to Europe for sticking on the rest of the aircraft. But for some reason aircraft are made this way. Look at the Boeing 747. Bits come from all over the world to be put together. I did know that they have factories in the USA and China. The US factory was set up in anticipation of a military tanker programme that requires US production. It will now build the A220 which they acquired from Bombardier. China requires technology transfer. What is your actual point? Again, what has that got to do with European solidarity? Airbus did not say that they would immediately shut-up shop. They said it would affect their future investment. They currently have a cost advantage over Boeing because they operate in a free trade zone with zero delays to shipping material and personnel. Why should they keep investing in the UK after Brexit? What advantage will it bring? European solidarity surely means that they should move out of the UK. Why should the largest Sovereign wealth fund in the world (Norway's £740 billion) continue to invest in the UK after Brexit? European solidarity surely means they should move out of the UK. Only they're not moving out of the UK and announced yesterday they will increase their investments in the UK after we leave the EU. Further more it is not dependent on a deal with the EU either, Norway say they will increase investments in the UK after Brexit whether we have a deal or not is irrelevant to them as they say Britain will be stronger out of the EU regardless. You know Norway aren’t in the EU don’t you? They're in Europe though and they're in the EEA. In case you missed it, so are we
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"Airbus will do what ever is best for themselves as any Company does. Did you no they have massive production facilities in America and China. Set up years ago but that must be the pre Brexit effect. What happened to European solidarity ? Or do they just put out project fear when they are after another hand out / loan / Brown envelope. I'm not sure what you're point is. They said that they would eventually disinvest in the UK because it would not make economic sense to do otherwise. What has that to do with manufacturing in the USA or China? Airbus have orders coming out of their ears. America and China are massive markets and to avoid massive tariffs they came to an agreement to make them in these countries. Help was given to build these factories. It is a massive agro to make the wings and then ship them to Europe for sticking on the rest of the aircraft. But for some reason aircraft are made this way. Look at the Boeing 747. Bits come from all over the world to be put together. I did know that they have factories in the USA and China. The US factory was set up in anticipation of a military tanker programme that requires US production. It will now build the A220 which they acquired from Bombardier. China requires technology transfer. What is your actual point? Again, what has that got to do with European solidarity? Airbus did not say that they would immediately shut-up shop. They said it would affect their future investment. They currently have a cost advantage over Boeing because they operate in a free trade zone with zero delays to shipping material and personnel. Why should they keep investing in the UK after Brexit? What advantage will it bring? European solidarity surely means that they should move out of the UK. Why should the largest Sovereign wealth fund in the world (Norway's £740 billion) continue to invest in the UK after Brexit? European solidarity surely means they should move out of the UK. Only they're not moving out of the UK and announced yesterday they will increase their investments in the UK after we leave the EU. Further more it is not dependent on a deal with the EU either, Norway say they will increase investments in the UK after Brexit whether we have a deal or not is irrelevant to them as they say Britain will be stronger out of the EU regardless. " You don't understand business as you don't understand many things. They have a thirty year time horizon as a sovereign wealth fund. It's patient money. The majority of FTSE 100 companies on the UK stock exchange are international players. They will do whatever they need to based on how Brexit pans out. That could be shutting down everything in the UK if that proves necessary. At the point Brexit occurs the pound will crash making UK shares a bargain as there will be panic over those too. International firms will book higher profits as the exchange rate will artificially flatter the value of foreign returns so share values will rise based in this. Stirling will eventually rise a little too. So investing in UK stocks is a shrewd move. It won't benefit the jobs and prosperity of people here though. #Brexiteconomicilliteracy | |||
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"Airbus will do what ever is best for themselves as any Company does. Did you no they have massive production facilities in America and China. Set up years ago but that must be the pre Brexit effect. What happened to European solidarity ? Or do they just put out project fear when they are after another hand out / loan / Brown envelope. I'm not sure what you're point is. They said that they would eventually disinvest in the UK because it would not make economic sense to do otherwise. What has that to do with manufacturing in the USA or China? Airbus have orders coming out of their ears. America and China are massive markets and to avoid massive tariffs they came to an agreement to make them in these countries. Help was given to build these factories. It is a massive agro to make the wings and then ship them to Europe for sticking on the rest of the aircraft. But for some reason aircraft are made this way. Look at the Boeing 747. Bits come from all over the world to be put together. I did know that they have factories in the USA and China. The US factory was set up in anticipation of a military tanker programme that requires US production. It will now build the A220 which they acquired from Bombardier. China requires technology transfer. What is your actual point? Again, what has that got to do with European solidarity? Airbus did not say that they would immediately shut-up shop. They said it would affect their future investment. They currently have a cost advantage over Boeing because they operate in a free trade zone with zero delays to shipping material and personnel. Why should they keep investing in the UK after Brexit? What advantage will it bring? European solidarity surely means that they should move out of the UK. Why should the largest Sovereign wealth fund in the world (Norway's £740 billion) continue to invest in the UK after Brexit? European solidarity surely means they should move out of the UK. Only they're not moving out of the UK and announced yesterday they will increase their investments in the UK after we leave the EU. Further more it is not dependent on a deal with the EU either, Norway say they will increase investments in the UK after Brexit whether we have a deal or not is irrelevant to them as they say Britain will be stronger out of the EU regardless. You don't understand business as you don't understand many things. They have a thirty year time horizon as a sovereign wealth fund. It's patient money. The majority of FTSE 100 companies on the UK stock exchange are international players. They will do whatever they need to based on how Brexit pans out. That could be shutting down everything in the UK if that proves necessary. At the point Brexit occurs the pound will crash making UK shares a bargain as there will be panic over those too. International firms will book higher profits as the exchange rate will artificially flatter the value of foreign returns so share values will rise based in this. Stirling will eventually rise a little too. So investing in UK stocks is a shrewd move. It won't benefit the jobs and prosperity of people here though. #Brexiteconomicilliteracy "I see you copy and pasted this from the other thread, so it gets the same response as was given there. Many Pensions are directly linked to the FTSE 100, so if it does well then returns on Pensions will increase, which will benefit prosperity of people here. | |||
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"Airbus will do what ever is best for themselves as any Company does. Did you no they have massive production facilities in America and China. Set up years ago but that must be the pre Brexit effect. What happened to European solidarity ? Or do they just put out project fear when they are after another hand out / loan / Brown envelope. I'm not sure what you're point is. They said that they would eventually disinvest in the UK because it would not make economic sense to do otherwise. What has that to do with manufacturing in the USA or China? Airbus have orders coming out of their ears. America and China are massive markets and to avoid massive tariffs they came to an agreement to make them in these countries. Help was given to build these factories. It is a massive agro to make the wings and then ship them to Europe for sticking on the rest of the aircraft. But for some reason aircraft are made this way. Look at the Boeing 747. Bits come from all over the world to be put together. I did know that they have factories in the USA and China. The US factory was set up in anticipation of a military tanker programme that requires US production. It will now build the A220 which they acquired from Bombardier. China requires technology transfer. What is your actual point? Again, what has that got to do with European solidarity? Airbus did not say that they would immediately shut-up shop. They said it would affect their future investment. They currently have a cost advantage over Boeing because they operate in a free trade zone with zero delays to shipping material and personnel. Why should they keep investing in the UK after Brexit? What advantage will it bring? European solidarity surely means that they should move out of the UK. Why should the largest Sovereign wealth fund in the world (Norway's £740 billion) continue to invest in the UK after Brexit? European solidarity surely means they should move out of the UK. Only they're not moving out of the UK and announced yesterday they will increase their investments in the UK after we leave the EU. Further more it is not dependent on a deal with the EU either, Norway say they will increase investments in the UK after Brexit whether we have a deal or not is irrelevant to them as they say Britain will be stronger out of the EU regardless. You don't understand business as you don't understand many things. They have a thirty year time horizon as a sovereign wealth fund. It's patient money. The majority of FTSE 100 companies on the UK stock exchange are international players. They will do whatever they need to based on how Brexit pans out. That could be shutting down everything in the UK if that proves necessary. At the point Brexit occurs the pound will crash making UK shares a bargain as there will be panic over those too. International firms will book higher profits as the exchange rate will artificially flatter the value of foreign returns so share values will rise based in this. Stirling will eventually rise a little too. So investing in UK stocks is a shrewd move. It won't benefit the jobs and prosperity of people here though. #Brexiteconomicilliteracy
I see you copy and pasted this from the other thread, so it gets the same response as was given there. Many Pensions are directly linked to the FTSE 100, so if it does well then returns on Pensions will increase, which will benefit prosperity of people here. "Pensions represents only 8% of GDP. However, one third of the working population has no private pension provision anyway. Stock price is relevant at the point of purchasing your annuity and the overall period tgat you pay in. If you are unlucky enough to be retiring at the point when the market crashes yo get a lower pension or you have to delay your retirement. I also explained why share values would rise. The devaluation of the currency and moving real ivestment and jobs abroad. Less employment and increased import costs and therefore inflation will benefit nobody, least of all pensioners. Your attempted micro-victories are always petty. | |||
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"Airbus will do what ever is best for themselves as any Company does. Did you no they have massive production facilities in America and China. Set up years ago but that must be the pre Brexit effect. What happened to European solidarity ? Or do they just put out project fear when they are after another hand out / loan / Brown envelope. I'm not sure what you're point is. They said that they would eventually disinvest in the UK because it would not make economic sense to do otherwise. What has that to do with manufacturing in the USA or China? Airbus have orders coming out of their ears. America and China are massive markets and to avoid massive tariffs they came to an agreement to make them in these countries. Help was given to build these factories. It is a massive agro to make the wings and then ship them to Europe for sticking on the rest of the aircraft. But for some reason aircraft are made this way. Look at the Boeing 747. Bits come from all over the world to be put together. I did know that they have factories in the USA and China. The US factory was set up in anticipation of a military tanker programme that requires US production. It will now build the A220 which they acquired from Bombardier. China requires technology transfer. What is your actual point? Again, what has that got to do with European solidarity? Airbus did not say that they would immediately shut-up shop. They said it would affect their future investment. They currently have a cost advantage over Boeing because they operate in a free trade zone with zero delays to shipping material and personnel. Why should they keep investing in the UK after Brexit? What advantage will it bring? European solidarity surely means that they should move out of the UK. Why should the largest Sovereign wealth fund in the world (Norway's £740 billion) continue to invest in the UK after Brexit? European solidarity surely means they should move out of the UK. Only they're not moving out of the UK and announced yesterday they will increase their investments in the UK after we leave the EU. Further more it is not dependent on a deal with the EU either, Norway say they will increase investments in the UK after Brexit whether we have a deal or not is irrelevant to them as they say Britain will be stronger out of the EU regardless. You don't understand business as you don't understand many things. They have a thirty year time horizon as a sovereign wealth fund. It's patient money. The majority of FTSE 100 companies on the UK stock exchange are international players. They will do whatever they need to based on how Brexit pans out. That could be shutting down everything in the UK if that proves necessary. At the point Brexit occurs the pound will crash making UK shares a bargain as there will be panic over those too. International firms will book higher profits as the exchange rate will artificially flatter the value of foreign returns so share values will rise based in this. Stirling will eventually rise a little too. So investing in UK stocks is a shrewd move. It won't benefit the jobs and prosperity of people here though. #Brexiteconomicilliteracy
I see you copy and pasted this from the other thread, so it gets the same response as was given there. Many Pensions are directly linked to the FTSE 100, so if it does well then returns on Pensions will increase, which will benefit prosperity of people here.
Pensions represents only 8% of GDP.
However, one third of the working population has no private pension provision anyway.
Stock price is relevant at the point of purchasing your annuity and the overall period tgat you pay in. If you are unlucky enough to be retiring at the point when the market crashes yo get a lower pension or you have to delay your retirement.
I also explained why share values would rise. The devaluation of the currency and moving real ivestment and jobs abroad.
Less employment and increased import costs and therefore inflation will benefit nobody, least of all pensioners.
Your attempted micro-victories are always petty."They're not micro victories, you're arrogant and think you're always right, it amuses me to highlight when you're clearly wrong. If the pound falls the general trend is that the FTSE 100 will rise, that benefits pensions which are linked to the performance of the FTSE 100. People who have the foresight to invest in a private pension are usually smart enough to get expert advice from a qualified financial advisor. If the market is low then the advice will be to delay retirement until the market is high. The UK attracted one of the highest levels of foreign direct investment in the world last year in 2018 (the UK was certainly the highest benefactor of foreign direct investment in the EU), and now Norway have said they will increase their investments in the UK after brexit (with or without a brexit deal). The high levels of investment have seen the UK now with a record level of employment, and unemployment at its lowest level since 1975. Wages have also risen in the UK above the rate of inflation. | |||
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"Airbus will do what ever is best for themselves as any Company does. Did you no they have massive production facilities in America and China. Set up years ago but that must be the pre Brexit effect. What happened to European solidarity ? Or do they just put out project fear when they are after another hand out / loan / Brown envelope. I'm not sure what you're point is. They said that they would eventually disinvest in the UK because it would not make economic sense to do otherwise. What has that to do with manufacturing in the USA or China? Airbus have orders coming out of their ears. America and China are massive markets and to avoid massive tariffs they came to an agreement to make them in these countries. Help was given to build these factories. It is a massive agro to make the wings and then ship them to Europe for sticking on the rest of the aircraft. But for some reason aircraft are made this way. Look at the Boeing 747. Bits come from all over the world to be put together. I did know that they have factories in the USA and China. The US factory was set up in anticipation of a military tanker programme that requires US production. It will now build the A220 which they acquired from Bombardier. China requires technology transfer. What is your actual point? Again, what has that got to do with European solidarity? Airbus did not say that they would immediately shut-up shop. They said it would affect their future investment. They currently have a cost advantage over Boeing because they operate in a free trade zone with zero delays to shipping material and personnel. Why should they keep investing in the UK after Brexit? What advantage will it bring? European solidarity surely means that they should move out of the UK. Why should the largest Sovereign wealth fund in the world (Norway's £740 billion) continue to invest in the UK after Brexit? European solidarity surely means they should move out of the UK. Only they're not moving out of the UK and announced yesterday they will increase their investments in the UK after we leave the EU. Further more it is not dependent on a deal with the EU either, Norway say they will increase investments in the UK after Brexit whether we have a deal or not is irrelevant to them as they say Britain will be stronger out of the EU regardless. You don't understand business as you don't understand many things. They have a thirty year time horizon as a sovereign wealth fund. It's patient money. The majority of FTSE 100 companies on the UK stock exchange are international players. They will do whatever they need to based on how Brexit pans out. That could be shutting down everything in the UK if that proves necessary. At the point Brexit occurs the pound will crash making UK shares a bargain as there will be panic over those too. International firms will book higher profits as the exchange rate will artificially flatter the value of foreign returns so share values will rise based in this. Stirling will eventually rise a little too. So investing in UK stocks is a shrewd move. It won't benefit the jobs and prosperity of people here though. #Brexiteconomicilliteracy
I see you copy and pasted this from the other thread, so it gets the same response as was given there. Many Pensions are directly linked to the FTSE 100, so if it does well then returns on Pensions will increase, which will benefit prosperity of people here.
Pensions represents only 8% of GDP.
However, one third of the working population has no private pension provision anyway.
Stock price is relevant at the point of purchasing your annuity and the overall period tgat you pay in. If you are unlucky enough to be retiring at the point when the market crashes yo get a lower pension or you have to delay your retirement.
I also explained why share values would rise. The devaluation of the currency and moving real ivestment and jobs abroad.
Less employment and increased import costs and therefore inflation will benefit nobody, least of all pensioners.
Your attempted micro-victories are always petty.
They're not micro victories, you're arrogant and think you're always right, it amuses me to highlight when you're clearly wrong. If the pound falls the general trend is that the FTSE 100 will rise, that benefits pensions which are linked to the performance of the FTSE 100. People who have the foresight to invest in a private pension are usually smart enough to get expert advice from a qualified financial advisor. If the market is low then the advice will be to delay retirement until the market is high. The UK attracted one of the highest levels of foreign direct investment in the world last year in 2018 (the UK was certainly the highest benefactor of foreign direct investment in the EU), and now Norway have said they will increase their investments in the UK after brexit (with or without a brexit deal). The high levels of investment have seen the UK now with a record level of employment, and unemployment at its lowest level since 1975. Wages have also risen in the UK above the rate of inflation. "Not 100% correct but then we are not surprised. Pension funds do invest in the FTSE 100, but they also invest in overseas markets too. I had a mix of investments and the best performing fund over a 20 year period was Asia, in particular Japan! The best performing UK fund was property, but even that was nowhere near! | |||
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"Airbus will do what ever is best for themselves as any Company does. Did you no they have massive production facilities in America and China. Set up years ago but that must be the pre Brexit effect. What happened to European solidarity ? Or do they just put out project fear when they are after another hand out / loan / Brown envelope. I'm not sure what you're point is. They said that they would eventually disinvest in the UK because it would not make economic sense to do otherwise. What has that to do with manufacturing in the USA or China? Airbus have orders coming out of their ears. America and China are massive markets and to avoid massive tariffs they came to an agreement to make them in these countries. Help was given to build these factories. It is a massive agro to make the wings and then ship them to Europe for sticking on the rest of the aircraft. But for some reason aircraft are made this way. Look at the Boeing 747. Bits come from all over the world to be put together. I did know that they have factories in the USA and China. The US factory was set up in anticipation of a military tanker programme that requires US production. It will now build the A220 which they acquired from Bombardier. China requires technology transfer. What is your actual point? Again, what has that got to do with European solidarity? Airbus did not say that they would immediately shut-up shop. They said it would affect their future investment. They currently have a cost advantage over Boeing because they operate in a free trade zone with zero delays to shipping material and personnel. Why should they keep investing in the UK after Brexit? What advantage will it bring? European solidarity surely means that they should move out of the UK. Why should the largest Sovereign wealth fund in the world (Norway's £740 billion) continue to invest in the UK after Brexit? European solidarity surely means they should move out of the UK. Only they're not moving out of the UK and announced yesterday they will increase their investments in the UK after we leave the EU. Further more it is not dependent on a deal with the EU either, Norway say they will increase investments in the UK after Brexit whether we have a deal or not is irrelevant to them as they say Britain will be stronger out of the EU regardless. You don't understand business as you don't understand many things. They have a thirty year time horizon as a sovereign wealth fund. It's patient money. The majority of FTSE 100 companies on the UK stock exchange are international players. They will do whatever they need to based on how Brexit pans out. That could be shutting down everything in the UK if that proves necessary. At the point Brexit occurs the pound will crash making UK shares a bargain as there will be panic over those too. International firms will book higher profits as the exchange rate will artificially flatter the value of foreign returns so share values will rise based in this. Stirling will eventually rise a little too. So investing in UK stocks is a shrewd move. It won't benefit the jobs and prosperity of people here though. #Brexiteconomicilliteracy
I see you copy and pasted this from the other thread, so it gets the same response as was given there. Many Pensions are directly linked to the FTSE 100, so if it does well then returns on Pensions will increase, which will benefit prosperity of people here.
Pensions represents only 8% of GDP.
However, one third of the working population has no private pension provision anyway.
Stock price is relevant at the point of purchasing your annuity and the overall period tgat you pay in. If you are unlucky enough to be retiring at the point when the market crashes yo get a lower pension or you have to delay your retirement.
I also explained why share values would rise. The devaluation of the currency and moving real ivestment and jobs abroad.
Less employment and increased import costs and therefore inflation will benefit nobody, least of all pensioners.
Your attempted micro-victories are always petty.
They're not micro victories, you're arrogant and think you're always right, it amuses me to highlight when you're clearly wrong. If the pound falls the general trend is that the FTSE 100 will rise, that benefits pensions which are linked to the performance of the FTSE 100. People who have the foresight to invest in a private pension are usually smart enough to get expert advice from a qualified financial advisor. If the market is low then the advice will be to delay retirement until the market is high. The UK attracted one of the highest levels of foreign direct investment in the world last year in 2018 (the UK was certainly the highest benefactor of foreign direct investment in the EU), and now Norway have said they will increase their investments in the UK after brexit (with or without a brexit deal). The high levels of investment have seen the UK now with a record level of employment, and unemployment at its lowest level since 1975. Wages have also risen in the UK above the rate of inflation. "Your amusement is misplaced then. You seem unable to take on information as the points you repetitively make have already been addressed as simplistic. Carry on with your fingers in your ears. Why change now | |||
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"Airbus will do what ever is best for themselves as any Company does. Did you no they have massive production facilities in America and China. Set up years ago but that must be the pre Brexit effect. What happened to European solidarity ? Or do they just put out project fear when they are after another hand out / loan / Brown envelope. I'm not sure what you're point is. They said that they would eventually disinvest in the UK because it would not make economic sense to do otherwise. What has that to do with manufacturing in the USA or China? Airbus have orders coming out of their ears. America and China are massive markets and to avoid massive tariffs they came to an agreement to make them in these countries. Help was given to build these factories. It is a massive agro to make the wings and then ship them to Europe for sticking on the rest of the aircraft. But for some reason aircraft are made this way. Look at the Boeing 747. Bits come from all over the world to be put together. I did know that they have factories in the USA and China. The US factory was set up in anticipation of a military tanker programme that requires US production. It will now build the A220 which they acquired from Bombardier. China requires technology transfer. What is your actual point? Again, what has that got to do with European solidarity? Airbus did not say that they would immediately shut-up shop. They said it would affect their future investment. They currently have a cost advantage over Boeing because they operate in a free trade zone with zero delays to shipping material and personnel. Why should they keep investing in the UK after Brexit? What advantage will it bring? European solidarity surely means that they should move out of the UK. Why should the largest Sovereign wealth fund in the world (Norway's £740 billion) continue to invest in the UK after Brexit? European solidarity surely means they should move out of the UK. Only they're not moving out of the UK and announced yesterday they will increase their investments in the UK after we leave the EU. Further more it is not dependent on a deal with the EU either, Norway say they will increase investments in the UK after Brexit whether we have a deal or not is irrelevant to them as they say Britain will be stronger out of the EU regardless. You don't understand business as you don't understand many things. They have a thirty year time horizon as a sovereign wealth fund. It's patient money. The majority of FTSE 100 companies on the UK stock exchange are international players. They will do whatever they need to based on how Brexit pans out. That could be shutting down everything in the UK if that proves necessary. At the point Brexit occurs the pound will crash making UK shares a bargain as there will be panic over those too. International firms will book higher profits as the exchange rate will artificially flatter the value of foreign returns so share values will rise based in this. Stirling will eventually rise a little too. So investing in UK stocks is a shrewd move. It won't benefit the jobs and prosperity of people here though. #Brexiteconomicilliteracy
I see you copy and pasted this from the other thread, so it gets the same response as was given there. Many Pensions are directly linked to the FTSE 100, so if it does well then returns on Pensions will increase, which will benefit prosperity of people here.
Pensions represents only 8% of GDP.
However, one third of the working population has no private pension provision anyway.
Stock price is relevant at the point of purchasing your annuity and the overall period tgat you pay in. If you are unlucky enough to be retiring at the point when the market crashes yo get a lower pension or you have to delay your retirement.
I also explained why share values would rise. The devaluation of the currency and moving real ivestment and jobs abroad.
Less employment and increased import costs and therefore inflation will benefit nobody, least of all pensioners.
Your attempted micro-victories are always petty.
They're not micro victories, you're arrogant and think you're always right, it amuses me to highlight when you're clearly wrong. If the pound falls the general trend is that the FTSE 100 will rise, that benefits pensions which are linked to the performance of the FTSE 100. People who have the foresight to invest in a private pension are usually smart enough to get expert advice from a qualified financial advisor. If the market is low then the advice will be to delay retirement until the market is high. The UK attracted one of the highest levels of foreign direct investment in the world last year in 2018 (the UK was certainly the highest benefactor of foreign direct investment in the EU), and now Norway have said they will increase their investments in the UK after brexit (with or without a brexit deal). The high levels of investment have seen the UK now with a record level of employment, and unemployment at its lowest level since 1975. Wages have also risen in the UK above the rate of inflation.
Not 100% correct but then we are not surprised. Pension funds do invest in the FTSE 100, but they also invest in overseas markets too. I had a mix of investments and the best performing fund over a 20 year period was Asia, in particular Japan! The best performing UK fund was property, but even that was nowhere near!"True. Clean energy and technogy funds have also outperformed UK investments by a country mile. As have Scandinavian. The irony is that if you are British the currency moves mean that you should be invested in foreign markets. The UK had its largest outflow of funds this January. | |||
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