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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Even if there's a working plan agreed by parliament, the eu are done with negotiations aren't they?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

They have said that thus far, won't show their hand if they have any further leeway..

If the 5 year idea which the EU and Eire have said no too now is the key to unlock the impasse then if its just Eire holding out internally against it the EU could find some grease to ease the opening..

Either May knows she is flogging a dead horse out of sheer bloody awkwardness as she is too stubborn to accept the reality or she is playing to the electorate and the tory base in holding out till something more acceptable has a majority in Parliament and she can play the old 'no one can say I didn't try' line..

The possible issues for this and any further Governments is an emboldened Parliament with the means to take back control..

Sort of ironic..

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

Exactly. There are only three options:

1. Accept plan A. But this is not acceptable to anyone because it ends up costing us more than we have been paying, removes all our voting rights on EU legislation, leaves us permanently having to follow regulations we no longer get to influence, leaves us permanently having to allow free movement of EU citizens in and out of England, gives UK citizens less freedom of movement in the EU, leaves us permanently tied to the customs union. In fact this is the exact opposite of what any brexiteer wanted.

2. Crash out of the EU with no deal. Nobody except a lunatic would want this. Some people seem to think that "no deal" means everything continues as it does now except we don't have to pay any money and we can ignore any EU rules we like. What it actually means is that every international arrangement we currently have ceases. Think like a company tearing up every supplier contract and every customer order it has, on the basis that after it has no supplies coming in and no goods going out, it will be able to magically overnight get better deals from all its suppliers and sell more to new customers. No it will go bankrupt.

3. Cancel brexit. Apologise for the inconvenience we have caused to the EU. Apologise for the billions of pounds we have wasted and cost everybody over the last two years. Honestly, we could have had a handout of several thousand pounds to every man, woman and child. Keep our stronger than any other country voting position on EU legislation (we had a veto! Nothing could go through unless we said yes!). Keep getting the most favourable trading terms in the world because we're part of the largest trsding union in the world. Keep getting back more money than we put in. Keep UK citizens being able to freely move and work in 27 other countries. Keep being able to sell goods to 27 countries without having to pay tariffs. Keep being able to bring in goods from 27 other countries without having to pay import duties. Keep at peace with 27 other countries because it doesn't make sense to go to war with your economic partners.

That's the only three options there are. Everything else is just prevaricating while Britain loses money and world respect every day.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I’m at the “wake me up when it’s all over stage”

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville


"Exactly. There are only three options:

1. Accept plan A. But this is not acceptable to anyone because it ends up costing us more than we have been paying, removes all our voting rights on EU legislation, leaves us permanently having to follow regulations we no longer get to influence, leaves us permanently having to allow free movement of EU citizens in and out of England, gives UK citizens less freedom of movement in the EU, leaves us permanently tied to the customs union. In fact this is the exact opposite of what any brexiteer wanted.

2. Crash out of the EU with no deal. Nobody except a lunatic would want this. Some people seem to think that "no deal" means everything continues as it does now except we don't have to pay any money and we can ignore any EU rules we like. What it actually means is that every international arrangement we currently have ceases. Think like a company tearing up every supplier contract and every customer order it has, on the basis that after it has no supplies coming in and no goods going out, it will be able to magically overnight get better deals from all its suppliers and sell more to new customers. No it will go bankrupt.

3. Cancel brexit. Apologise for the inconvenience we have caused to the EU. Apologise for the billions of pounds we have wasted and cost everybody over the last two years. Honestly, we could have had a handout of several thousand pounds to every man, woman and child. Keep our stronger than any other country voting position on EU legislation (we had a veto! Nothing could go through unless we said yes!). Keep getting the most favourable trading terms in the world because we're part of the largest trsding union in the world. Keep getting back more money than we put in. Keep UK citizens being able to freely move and work in 27 other countries. Keep being able to sell goods to 27 countries without having to pay tariffs. Keep being able to bring in goods from 27 other countries without having to pay import duties. Keep at peace with 27 other countries because it doesn't make sense to go to war with your economic partners.

That's the only three options there are. Everything else is just prevaricating while Britain loses money and world respect every day."

So each of your three options have terrible consequences. Even a fourth option - negotiate a new deal would take extended time and vast sums of money.

There is no real answer other than parties accepting the referendum result and making compromises to get the deal through or voting it out if it that bad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Exactly. There are only three options:

1. Accept plan A. But this is not acceptable to anyone because it ends up costing us more than we have been paying, removes all our voting rights on EU legislation, leaves us permanently having to follow regulations we no longer get to influence, leaves us permanently having to allow free movement of EU citizens in and out of England, gives UK citizens less freedom of movement in the EU, leaves us permanently tied to the customs union. In fact this is the exact opposite of what any brexiteer wanted.

2. Crash out of the EU with no deal. Nobody except a lunatic would want this. Some people seem to think that "no deal" means everything continues as it does now except we don't have to pay any money and we can ignore any EU rules we like. What it actually means is that every international arrangement we currently have ceases. Think like a company tearing up every supplier contract and every customer order it has, on the basis that after it has no supplies coming in and no goods going out, it will be able to magically overnight get better deals from all its suppliers and sell more to new customers. No it will go bankrupt.

3. Cancel brexit. Apologise for the inconvenience we have caused to the EU. Apologise for the billions of pounds we have wasted and cost everybody over the last two years. Honestly, we could have had a handout of several thousand pounds to every man, woman and child. Keep our stronger than any other country voting position on EU legislation (we had a veto! Nothing could go through unless we said yes!). Keep getting the most favourable trading terms in the world because we're part of the largest trsding union in the world. Keep getting back more money than we put in. Keep UK citizens being able to freely move and work in 27 other countries. Keep being able to sell goods to 27 countries without having to pay tariffs. Keep being able to bring in goods from 27 other countries without having to pay import duties. Keep at peace with 27 other countries because it doesn't make sense to go to war with your economic partners.

That's the only three options there are. Everything else is just prevaricating while Britain loses money and world respect every day."

Excellent summary of the current state of affairs. Thank you for putting it across so well. The inevitable consequence of such a close result in 2016.

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