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"Make no mistake the Eu's aim is to become the federal United States of Europe eventually. " It's been moving towards that end goal ever since the Maastrict treaty was passed in the 1990's. I also wouldn't be surprised if the EU flag was placed in the top left corner of all member states flags as a condition of membership of the EU in future, as the USA has the stars of each Federal state placed on its flag. | |||
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"Make no mistake the Eu's aim is to become the federal United States of Europe eventually. It's been moving towards that end goal ever since the Maastrict treaty was passed in the 1990's. I also wouldn't be surprised if the EU flag was placed in the top left corner of all member states flags as a condition of membership of the EU in future, as the USA has the stars of each Federal state placed on its flag. " More complete nonsense you cant back up and won't bet on! | |||
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"I've not read the Lisbon treaty so I'm not sure if everything in the OP is true. However what I do know is that the mantra of the EU is "ever closer union" which, if you take it to its ultimate conclusion, is a united states of Europe. Also the Lisbon treaty contained what was originally the EU constitution, remember that? Yes the one that was rejected by the French, Dutch and Irish (first time around) referendums. Of the countries that actually held a referendum only the Spanish voted in favour. After that, fearful of losing any more referendums, the EU pulled the constitution, but popped it through the back door into the Lisbon treaty. Democracy in action Eh! We've had over 2 years of Brexit arguments and even I would concede that some remain arguments do hold water. However it's these kind of shitty underhand tricks that have always convinced me that the EU is anti democratic and corrupt, and that is why I will always be in the leave camp." As I recall Tony Blair and Gordon Brown also promised a referendum in the UK on the EU constitution in the 00's but when they saw it being rejected by French, the Dutch and the Irish they shit the bed and pulled the plug. The EU constitution was repackaged in Brussels as the Lisbon treaty and Gordon Brown skulked off to sign it without offering a referendum to the British people. | |||
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"I've not read the Lisbon treaty so I'm not sure if everything in the OP is true. However what I do know is that the mantra of the EU is "ever closer union" which, if you take it to its ultimate conclusion, is a united states of Europe. Also the Lisbon treaty contained what was originally the EU constitution, remember that? Yes the one that was rejected by the French, Dutch and Irish (first time around) referendums. Of the countries that actually held a referendum only the Spanish voted in favour. After that, fearful of losing any more referendums, the EU pulled the constitution, but popped it through the back door into the Lisbon treaty. Democracy in action Eh! We've had over 2 years of Brexit arguments and even I would concede that some remain arguments do hold water. However it's these kind of shitty underhand tricks that have always convinced me that the EU is anti democratic and corrupt, and that is why I will always be in the leave camp. As I recall Tony Blair and Gordon Brown also promised a referendum in the UK on the EU constitution in the 00's but when they saw it being rejected by French, the Dutch and the Irish they shit the bed and pulled the plug. The EU constitution was repackaged in Brussels as the Lisbon treaty and Gordon Brown skulked off to sign it without offering a referendum to the British people. " Looking at how well this has gone they made exactly the correct call. You found out how to make the telegraph atricle appear on Google yet? | |||
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"I've not read the Lisbon treaty so I'm not sure if everything in the OP is true. However what I do know is that the mantra of the EU is "ever closer union" which, if you take it to its ultimate conclusion, is a united states of Europe. Also the Lisbon treaty contained what was originally the EU constitution, remember that? Yes the one that was rejected by the French, Dutch and Irish (first time around) referendums. Of the countries that actually held a referendum only the Spanish voted in favour. After that, fearful of losing any more referendums, the EU pulled the constitution, but popped it through the back door into the Lisbon treaty. Democracy in action Eh! We've had over 2 years of Brexit arguments and even I would concede that some remain arguments do hold water. However it's these kind of shitty underhand tricks that have always convinced me that the EU is anti democratic and corrupt, and that is why I will always be in the leave camp. As I recall Tony Blair and Gordon Brown also promised a referendum in the UK on the EU constitution in the 00's but when they saw it being rejected by French, the Dutch and the Irish they shit the bed and pulled the plug. The EU constitution was repackaged in Brussels as the Lisbon treaty and Gordon Brown skulked off to sign it without offering a referendum to the British people. Looking at how well this has gone they made exactly the correct call. " Not surprising that you support anti democratic means of getting things done. | |||
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"I've not read the Lisbon treaty so I'm not sure if everything in the OP is true. However what I do know is that the mantra of the EU is "ever closer union" which, if you take it to its ultimate conclusion, is a united states of Europe. Also the Lisbon treaty contained what was originally the EU constitution, remember that? Yes the one that was rejected by the French, Dutch and Irish (first time around) referendums. Of the countries that actually held a referendum only the Spanish voted in favour. After that, fearful of losing any more referendums, the EU pulled the constitution, but popped it through the back door into the Lisbon treaty. Democracy in action Eh! We've had over 2 years of Brexit arguments and even I would concede that some remain arguments do hold water. However it's these kind of shitty underhand tricks that have always convinced me that the EU is anti democratic and corrupt, and that is why I will always be in the leave camp. As I recall Tony Blair and Gordon Brown also promised a referendum in the UK on the EU constitution in the 00's but when they saw it being rejected by French, the Dutch and the Irish they shit the bed and pulled the plug. The EU constitution was repackaged in Brussels as the Lisbon treaty and Gordon Brown skulked off to sign it without offering a referendum to the British people. Looking at how well this has gone they made exactly the correct call. Not surprising that you support anti democratic means of getting things done. " That's an example of democracy working politicians working in the interest of the people..it's not all referendums you know we did have one till 1973 they are a fairly recent edition. | |||
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"I've not read the Lisbon treaty so I'm not sure if everything in the OP is true. However what I do know is that the mantra of the EU is "ever closer union" which, if you take it to its ultimate conclusion, is a united states of Europe. Also the Lisbon treaty contained what was originally the EU constitution, remember that? Yes the one that was rejected by the French, Dutch and Irish (first time around) referendums. Of the countries that actually held a referendum only the Spanish voted in favour. After that, fearful of losing any more referendums, the EU pulled the constitution, but popped it through the back door into the Lisbon treaty. Democracy in action Eh! We've had over 2 years of Brexit arguments and even I would concede that some remain arguments do hold water. However it's these kind of shitty underhand tricks that have always convinced me that the EU is anti democratic and corrupt, and that is why I will always be in the leave camp. As I recall Tony Blair and Gordon Brown also promised a referendum in the UK on the EU constitution in the 00's but when they saw it being rejected by French, the Dutch and the Irish they shit the bed and pulled the plug. The EU constitution was repackaged in Brussels as the Lisbon treaty and Gordon Brown skulked off to sign it without offering a referendum to the British people. Looking at how well this has gone they made exactly the correct call. Not surprising that you support anti democratic means of getting things done. That's an example of democracy working politicians working in the interest of the people..it's not all referendums you know we did have one till 1973 they are a fairly recent edition. " It clearly didn't work well in the UK though did it because we voted to leave the EU in 2016. I'd say not allowing a referendum on the EU constitution/Lisbon treaty seated a lot of resentment in the UK towards the EU (especially after Blair/Brown promised a referendum and then pulled the plug). I know i personally felt resentful at the time Gordon Brown signed it without allowing the British public to vote on it in a referendum which he jointly promised with Tony Blair. | |||
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"I've not read the Lisbon treaty so I'm not sure if everything in the OP is true. However what I do know is that the mantra of the EU is "ever closer union" which, if you take it to its ultimate conclusion, is a united states of Europe. Also the Lisbon treaty contained what was originally the EU constitution, remember that? Yes the one that was rejected by the French, Dutch and Irish (first time around) referendums. Of the countries that actually held a referendum only the Spanish voted in favour. After that, fearful of losing any more referendums, the EU pulled the constitution, but popped it through the back door into the Lisbon treaty. Democracy in action Eh! We've had over 2 years of Brexit arguments and even I would concede that some remain arguments do hold water. However it's these kind of shitty underhand tricks that have always convinced me that the EU is anti democratic and corrupt, and that is why I will always be in the leave camp." Enough of the conspiracies. Treaty of Rome 1957 which we signed up to. Article 2 plain and clear. That has never changed. "ARTICLE 1 By this Treaty, the HIGH CONTRACTING PARTIES establish among themselves a EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY. ARTICLE 2 The Community shall have as its task, by establishing a common market and progressively approximating the economic policies of Member States, to promote throughout the Community a harmonious development of economic activities, a continuous and balanced expansion, an increase in stability, an accelerated raising of the standard of living and closer relations between the States belonging to it. ARTICLE 3 For the purposes set out in Article 2, the activities of the Community shall include, as provided in this Treaty and in accordance with the timetable set out therein (a) the elimination, as between Member States, of customs duties and of quantitative restrictions on the import and export of goods, and of all other measures having equivalent effect; (b) the establishment of a common customs tariff and of a common commercial policy towards third countries; (c) the abolition, as between Member States, of obstacles to freedom of movement for persons, services and capital; (d) the adoption of a common policy in the sphere of agriculture; (e) the adoption of a common policy in the sphere of transport; (f) the institution of a system ensuring that competition in the common market is not distorted; (g) the application of procedures by which the economic policies of Member States can he co-ordinated and disequilibria in their balances of payments remedied; (h) the approximation of the laws of Member States to the extent required for the proper functioning of the common market; (i) the creation of a European Social Fund in order to improve employment opportunities for workers and to contribute to the raising of their standard of living; (j) the establishment of a European Investment Bank to facilitate the economic expansion of the Community by opening up fresh resources; (k) the association of the overseas countries and territories in order to increase trade and to promote jointly economic and social development." Nothing came in "through the back door". The 2005 Constitutional referendum was replaced by the Lisbon Treaty which was approved by national Parliaments. You nor I have read the Lisbon Treaty nor the 2005 Constitutional referendum so lets not pretend that we could understand or answer a yes/no question based on it in exactly the same way as a trade deal or nuclear weapons treaty. | |||
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"I've not read the Lisbon treaty so I'm not sure if everything in the OP is true. However what I do know is that the mantra of the EU is "ever closer union" which, if you take it to its ultimate conclusion, is a united states of Europe. Also the Lisbon treaty contained what was originally the EU constitution, remember that? Yes the one that was rejected by the French, Dutch and Irish (first time around) referendums. Of the countries that actually held a referendum only the Spanish voted in favour. After that, fearful of losing any more referendums, the EU pulled the constitution, but popped it through the back door into the Lisbon treaty. Democracy in action Eh! We've had over 2 years of Brexit arguments and even I would concede that some remain arguments do hold water. However it's these kind of shitty underhand tricks that have always convinced me that the EU is anti democratic and corrupt, and that is why I will always be in the leave camp. As I recall Tony Blair and Gordon Brown also promised a referendum in the UK on the EU constitution in the 00's but when they saw it being rejected by French, the Dutch and the Irish they shit the bed and pulled the plug. The EU constitution was repackaged in Brussels as the Lisbon treaty and Gordon Brown skulked off to sign it without offering a referendum to the British people. Looking at how well this has gone they made exactly the correct call. Not surprising that you support anti democratic means of getting things done. That's an example of democracy working politicians working in the interest of the people..it's not all referendums you know we did have one till 1973 they are a fairly recent edition. It clearly didn't work well in the UK though did it because we voted to leave the EU in 2016. I'd say not allowing a referendum on the EU constitution/Lisbon treaty seated a lot of resentment in the UK towards the EU (especially after Blair/Brown promised a referendum and then pulled the plug). I know i personally felt resentful at the time Gordon Brown signed it without allowing the British public to vote on it in a referendum which he jointly promised with Tony Blair. " It didn't work because David Cameroon grossly overestimated the British public. Despite being the leader of a party that gets into power by the vast majority of it's supporters voting against their interests. | |||
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"I've not read the Lisbon treaty so I'm not sure if everything in the OP is true. However what I do know is that the mantra of the EU is "ever closer union" which, if you take it to its ultimate conclusion, is a united states of Europe. Also the Lisbon treaty contained what was originally the EU constitution, remember that? Yes the one that was rejected by the French, Dutch and Irish (first time around) referendums. Of the countries that actually held a referendum only the Spanish voted in favour. After that, fearful of losing any more referendums, the EU pulled the constitution, but popped it through the back door into the Lisbon treaty. Democracy in action Eh! We've had over 2 years of Brexit arguments and even I would concede that some remain arguments do hold water. However it's these kind of shitty underhand tricks that have always convinced me that the EU is anti democratic and corrupt, and that is why I will always be in the leave camp. As I recall Tony Blair and Gordon Brown also promised a referendum in the UK on the EU constitution in the 00's but when they saw it being rejected by French, the Dutch and the Irish they shit the bed and pulled the plug. The EU constitution was repackaged in Brussels as the Lisbon treaty and Gordon Brown skulked off to sign it without offering a referendum to the British people. Looking at how well this has gone they made exactly the correct call. Not surprising that you support anti democratic means of getting things done. That's an example of democracy working politicians working in the interest of the people..it's not all referendums you know we did have one till 1973 they are a fairly recent edition. It clearly didn't work well in the UK though did it because we voted to leave the EU in 2016. I'd say not allowing a referendum on the EU constitution/Lisbon treaty seated a lot of resentment in the UK towards the EU (especially after Blair/Brown promised a referendum and then pulled the plug). I know i personally felt resentful at the time Gordon Brown signed it without allowing the British public to vote on it in a referendum which he jointly promised with Tony Blair. It didn't work because David Cameroon grossly overestimated the British public. Despite being the leader of a party that gets into power by the vast majority of it's supporters voting against their interests." David Cameron promised a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU in his 2015 general election manifesto. I'm no fan of Cameron but at least he had the good grace to keep his promise on delivering that referendum. The same can't be said for Blair/Brown who broke their promise of delivering a referendum on the EU constitution/Lisbon treaty. | |||
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"I've not read the Lisbon treaty so I'm not sure if everything in the OP is true. However what I do know is that the mantra of the EU is "ever closer union" which, if you take it to its ultimate conclusion, is a united states of Europe. Also the Lisbon treaty contained what was originally the EU constitution, remember that? Yes the one that was rejected by the French, Dutch and Irish (first time around) referendums. Of the countries that actually held a referendum only the Spanish voted in favour. After that, fearful of losing any more referendums, the EU pulled the constitution, but popped it through the back door into the Lisbon treaty. Democracy in action Eh! We've had over 2 years of Brexit arguments and even I would concede that some remain arguments do hold water. However it's these kind of shitty underhand tricks that have always convinced me that the EU is anti democratic and corrupt, and that is why I will always be in the leave camp. As I recall Tony Blair and Gordon Brown also promised a referendum in the UK on the EU constitution in the 00's but when they saw it being rejected by French, the Dutch and the Irish they shit the bed and pulled the plug. The EU constitution was repackaged in Brussels as the Lisbon treaty and Gordon Brown skulked off to sign it without offering a referendum to the British people. Looking at how well this has gone they made exactly the correct call. Not surprising that you support anti democratic means of getting things done. That's an example of democracy working politicians working in the interest of the people..it's not all referendums you know we did have one till 1973 they are a fairly recent edition. It clearly didn't work well in the UK though did it because we voted to leave the EU in 2016. I'd say not allowing a referendum on the EU constitution/Lisbon treaty seated a lot of resentment in the UK towards the EU (especially after Blair/Brown promised a referendum and then pulled the plug). I know i personally felt resentful at the time Gordon Brown signed it without allowing the British public to vote on it in a referendum which he jointly promised with Tony Blair. It didn't work because David Cameroon grossly overestimated the British public. Despite being the leader of a party that gets into power by the vast majority of it's supporters voting against their interests. David Cameron promised a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU in his 2015 general election manifesto. I'm no fan of Cameron but at least he had the good grace to keep his promise on delivering that referendum. The same can't be said for Blair/Brown who broke their promise of delivering a referendum on the EU constitution/Lisbon treaty. " He didn't on Fox hunting. Are you outraged about that? | |||
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"I've not read the Lisbon treaty so I'm not sure if everything in the OP is true. However what I do know is that the mantra of the EU is "ever closer union" which, if you take it to its ultimate conclusion, is a united states of Europe. Also the Lisbon treaty contained what was originally the EU constitution, remember that? Yes the one that was rejected by the French, Dutch and Irish (first time around) referendums. Of the countries that actually held a referendum only the Spanish voted in favour. After that, fearful of losing any more referendums, the EU pulled the constitution, but popped it through the back door into the Lisbon treaty. Democracy in action Eh! We've had over 2 years of Brexit arguments and even I would concede that some remain arguments do hold water. However it's these kind of shitty underhand tricks that have always convinced me that the EU is anti democratic and corrupt, and that is why I will always be in the leave camp. As I recall Tony Blair and Gordon Brown also promised a referendum in the UK on the EU constitution in the 00's but when they saw it being rejected by French, the Dutch and the Irish they shit the bed and pulled the plug. The EU constitution was repackaged in Brussels as the Lisbon treaty and Gordon Brown skulked off to sign it without offering a referendum to the British people. Looking at how well this has gone they made exactly the correct call. Not surprising that you support anti democratic means of getting things done. That's an example of democracy working politicians working in the interest of the people..it's not all referendums you know we did have one till 1973 they are a fairly recent edition. It clearly didn't work well in the UK though did it because we voted to leave the EU in 2016. I'd say not allowing a referendum on the EU constitution/Lisbon treaty seated a lot of resentment in the UK towards the EU (especially after Blair/Brown promised a referendum and then pulled the plug). I know i personally felt resentful at the time Gordon Brown signed it without allowing the British public to vote on it in a referendum which he jointly promised with Tony Blair. It didn't work because David Cameroon grossly overestimated the British public. Despite being the leader of a party that gets into power by the vast majority of it's supporters voting against their interests. David Cameron promised a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU in his 2015 general election manifesto. I'm no fan of Cameron but at least he had the good grace to keep his promise on delivering that referendum. The same can't be said for Blair/Brown who broke their promise of delivering a referendum on the EU constitution/Lisbon treaty. He didn't on Fox hunting. Are you outraged about that? " Then according to Centaur's previously stated logic they should not be voted out until the Fox hunting referendum had been enacted as the UK population had voted for it. | |||
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"Very interesting we better get out on March 29th,I bet very few even in parliament have read this" You do understand that this is the definition of fake news right? You did read and understand the posts above yours didn't you? | |||
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"Very interesting we better get out on March 29th,I bet very few even in parliament have read this" I've just posted above you that's it's utter tosh with evidence. But well done on your post. | |||
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"I've started to wade through the Lisbon Treaty (rather than reading a load of secondary sources). It's certainly aiming for 2020 as a date when all it's provisions are fully in place, and one of these does seem to be all member states must be in the Euro. It also talks of fiscal unity and individual states losing direct voting rights, as apparently "there are too many of them" to be replaced with some sort of upper tier voting...." Jesus Christ...I've found the op quote verbatim matched it to an article showing it's fake and you lot still believe it. What is wrong with you? | |||
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"Very interesting we better get out on March 29th,I bet very few even in parliament have read this" This right here is the a problem with some people. Not an ounce of interest in learning if any of this is true. Just blindly accepting it as true because it validates their beliefs despite all the people ON THE VERY SAME PAGE SHES REPLYING TO pointing out its nonsense. | |||
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"Very interesting we better get out on March 29th,I bet very few even in parliament have read this This right here is the a problem with some people. Not an ounce of interest in learning if any of this is true. Just blindly accepting it as true because it validates their beliefs despite all the people ON THE VERY SAME PAGE SHES REPLYING TO pointing out its nonsense." It's absolutely unbelievable. | |||
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"I've started to wade through the Lisbon Treaty (rather than reading a load of secondary sources). It's certainly aiming for 2020 as a date when all it's provisions are fully in place, and one of these does seem to be all member states must be in the Euro. It also talks of fiscal unity and individual states losing direct voting rights, as apparently "there are too many of them" to be replaced with some sort of upper tier voting...." Heres another problem, people pretending to research and have the ability to understand it propogating the lies. The Lisbon treaty does not require all member states to be in the Euro, youre just either incapable of understanding the agreement or outright lying. | |||
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"Very interesting we better get out on March 29th,I bet very few even in parliament have read this You do understand that this is the definition of fake news right? You did read and understand the posts above yours didn't you?" Yes could be,have not checked but if true then,not a good post by me | |||
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"Very interesting we better get out on March 29th,I bet very few even in parliament have read this This right here is the a problem with some people. Not an ounce of interest in learning if any of this is true. Just blindly accepting it as true because it validates their beliefs despite all the people ON THE VERY SAME PAGE SHES REPLYING TO pointing out its nonsense. It's absolutely unbelievable." Id be absolutely mortified if Id posted what either jimi or emma have. You'd have to be completely without shame not to delete that out of pure embarrassment. | |||
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"Very interesting we better get out on March 29th,I bet very few even in parliament have read this You do understand that this is the definition of fake news right? You did read and understand the posts above yours didn't you?Yes could be,have not checked but if true then,not a good post by me" Then please pay closer attention. This is how lies gets fixed in a person's mind and is then propagated. | |||
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"I'm still ultra worried if I'll still be able to get my jar of marmite once a month from tesco "Buy 12 now if you're worried it has a long shelf life. | |||
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"Firstly I would like to say thank you to the guy who sent me a sh*tty message asking if I was that stupid! Secondly I'd like to point out my first line.....I'm not big on politics! I asked on here because its a political forum so I thought I'd get a few views, there's no need to be nasty to each other about our opinions as I don't think many of us actually know all the answers, we have our views and perceptions. I'd love to understand, in layman's terms, just what is going on but I'll find out soon enough. Thank you all for your opinions and for the quote where it came from "This is not the friendliest place at times for which my apology would be meaningless as I can't speak for anyone else. Good for you for asking though. The information is lies. I hope you pass that on. You can see how easy it is for this sort of thing to be accepted as fact. | |||
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"Firstly I would like to say thank you to the guy who sent me a sh*tty message asking if I was that stupid! Secondly I'd like to point out my first line.....I'm not big on politics! I asked on here because its a political forum so I thought I'd get a few views, there's no need to be nasty to each other about our opinions as I don't think many of us actually know all the answers, we have our views and perceptions. I'd love to understand, in layman's terms, just what is going on but I'll find out soon enough. Thank you all for your opinions and for the quote where it came from "Wow. Lucky you can’t name and shame here. You didn’t know. You asked a question. You got an answer. That’s how learning stuff works. (Other than putting your hand in the fire kinda learning.) This thread has been interesting in its development. A worthy thread imo.  | |||
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"Firstly I would like to say thank you to the guy who sent me a sh*tty message asking if I was that stupid! Secondly I'd like to point out my first line.....I'm not big on politics! I asked on here because its a political forum so I thought I'd get a few views, there's no need to be nasty to each other about our opinions as I don't think many of us actually know all the answers, we have our views and perceptions. I'd love to understand, in layman's terms, just what is going on but I'll find out soon enough. Thank you all for your opinions and for the quote where it came from "No problem, it's just very frustrating when people believe this after it has been shown to be false. | |||
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"Firstly I would like to say thank you to the guy who sent me a sh*tty message asking if I was that stupid! Secondly I'd like to point out my first line.....I'm not big on politics! I asked on here because its a political forum so I thought I'd get a few views, there's no need to be nasty to each other about our opinions as I don't think many of us actually know all the answers, we have our views and perceptions. I'd love to understand, in layman's terms, just what is going on but I'll find out soon enough. Thank you all for your opinions and for the quote where it came from
This is not the friendliest place at times for which my apology would be meaningless as I can't speak for anyone else.
Good for you for asking though.
The information is lies. I hope you pass that on. You can see how easy it is for this sort of thing to be accepted as fact."Thanks, I did know it could get heated as I've been trying to get a better understanding and following quite a few posts on the politics forum but it does get slightly annoying when people start calling others but at least we're not as childish as the politicians, yet! I have passed the information on and said I'll leave politics alone lol......but I shall still lurk in here  | |||
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"Firstly I would like to say thank you to the guy who sent me a sh*tty message asking if I was that stupid! Secondly I'd like to point out my first line.....I'm not big on politics! I asked on here because its a political forum so I thought I'd get a few views, there's no need to be nasty to each other about our opinions as I don't think many of us actually know all the answers, we have our views and perceptions. I'd love to understand, in layman's terms, just what is going on but I'll find out soon enough. Thank you all for your opinions and for the quote where it came from
This is not the friendliest place at times for which my apology would be meaningless as I can't speak for anyone else.
Good for you for asking though.
The information is lies. I hope you pass that on. You can see how easy it is for this sort of thing to be accepted as fact.
Thanks, I did know it could get heated as I've been trying to get a better understanding and following quite a few posts on the politics forum but it does get slightly annoying when people start calling others but at least we're not as childish as the politicians, yet!
I have passed the information on and said I'll leave politics alone lol......but I shall still lurk in here "A political voyeur? That is a particularly weird kink | |||
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"Firstly I would like to say thank you to the guy who sent me a sh*tty message asking if I was that stupid! Secondly I'd like to point out my first line.....I'm not big on politics! I asked on here because its a political forum so I thought I'd get a few views, there's no need to be nasty to each other about our opinions as I don't think many of us actually know all the answers, we have our views and perceptions. I'd love to understand, in layman's terms, just what is going on but I'll find out soon enough. Thank you all for your opinions and for the quote where it came from
This is not the friendliest place at times for which my apology would be meaningless as I can't speak for anyone else.
Good for you for asking though.
The information is lies. I hope you pass that on. You can see how easy it is for this sort of thing to be accepted as fact.
Thanks, I did know it could get heated as I've been trying to get a better understanding and following quite a few posts on the politics forum but it does get slightly annoying when people start calling others but at least we're not as childish as the politicians, yet!
I have passed the information on and said I'll leave politics alone lol......but I shall still lurk in here "So are you not going to Vote? | |||
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"Firstly I would like to say thank you to the guy who sent me a sh*tty message asking if I was that stupid! Secondly I'd like to point out my first line.....I'm not big on politics! I asked on here because its a political forum so I thought I'd get a few views, there's no need to be nasty to each other about our opinions as I don't think many of us actually know all the answers, we have our views and perceptions. I'd love to understand, in layman's terms, just what is going on but I'll find out soon enough. Thank you all for your opinions and for the quote where it came from
Wow. Lucky you can’t name and shame here.
You didn’t know. You asked a question. You got an answer. That’s how learning stuff works. (Other than putting your hand in the fire kinda learning.)
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"Firstly I would like to say thank you to the guy who sent me a sh*tty message asking if I was that stupid! Secondly I'd like to point out my first line.....I'm not big on politics! I asked on here because its a political forum so I thought I'd get a few views, there's no need to be nasty to each other about our opinions as I don't think many of us actually know all the answers, we have our views and perceptions. I'd love to understand, in layman's terms, just what is going on but I'll find out soon enough. Thank you all for your opinions and for the quote where it came from
This is not the friendliest place at times for which my apology would be meaningless as I can't speak for anyone else.
Good for you for asking though.
The information is lies. I hope you pass that on. You can see how easy it is for this sort of thing to be accepted as fact.
Thanks, I did know it could get heated as I've been trying to get a better understanding and following quite a few posts on the politics forum but it does get slightly annoying when people start calling others but at least we're not as childish as the politicians, yet!
I have passed the information on and said I'll leave politics alone lol......but I shall still lurk in here
A political voyeur?
That is a particularly weird kink "I lurk so I can hopefully learn but won't post much as I don't like feeling stupid because I don't understand it  | |||
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"Firstly I would like to say thank you to the guy who sent me a sh*tty message asking if I was that stupid! Secondly I'd like to point out my first line.....I'm not big on politics! I asked on here because its a political forum so I thought I'd get a few views, there's no need to be nasty to each other about our opinions as I don't think many of us actually know all the answers, we have our views and perceptions. I'd love to understand, in layman's terms, just what is going on but I'll find out soon enough. Thank you all for your opinions and for the quote where it came from
This is not the friendliest place at times for which my apology would be meaningless as I can't speak for anyone else.
Good for you for asking though.
The information is lies. I hope you pass that on. You can see how easy it is for this sort of thing to be accepted as fact.
Thanks, I did know it could get heated as I've been trying to get a better understanding and following quite a few posts on the politics forum but it does get slightly annoying when people start calling others but at least we're not as childish as the politicians, yet!
I have passed the information on and said I'll leave politics alone lol......but I shall still lurk in here
A political voyeur?
That is a particularly weird kink
I lurk so I can hopefully learn but won't post much as I don't like feeling stupid because I don't understand it "Ask questions.
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"I'm not big on politics but have been shown this and wonder, if its true and what's your thoughts? The post below is not my post but I think needs sharing far and wide. This could be a game changer if raised: it shows what will happen very shortly ( next year) if we remain please point this out to any remainers. This is what happens when we stay in Europe. WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THE LISBON TREATY, THE TREATY THAT COMES INTO FORCE 2020, ITS WORSE THAN THE SO CALLED DEAL, IF 99% OF THE BRITISH THINK THIS DEAL IS BAD JUST LOOK AT THE LISBON TREATY. PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW, LEAVERS AND REMAIMERS.. “What will actually happen if we stay in the EU” is a question no remainer will ever answer but here it is warts and all. Check it out if you wish —— 1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed. 2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s. 3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty. 4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. (This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen, the move is fully cancelled - but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.) 5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK. 6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today. 7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals. 8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs. 9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas. 10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights 11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights 12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 - as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty 13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation 14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent 15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy 16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them 17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealths 18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.: Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc 19: The UK loses control of its judicial system 20: The UK loses control of its international policy 21: The UK loses full control of its national policy 22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right. 23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program 24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction 25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty 26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020 This is the future that the youths of today think we stole from them? They should be on their knees thanking us for saving them from being turned into Orwellian automatons!" To answer your question, no none of it is true. | |||
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"I've started to wade through the Lisbon Treaty (rather than reading a load of secondary sources). It's certainly aiming for 2020 as a date when all it's provisions are fully in place, and one of these does seem to be all member states must be in the Euro. It also talks of fiscal unity and individual states losing direct voting rights, as apparently "there are too many of them" to be replaced with some sort of upper tier voting.... Jesus Christ...I've found the op quote verbatim matched it to an article showing it's fake and you lot still believe it. What is wrong with you?" The same could be said of you not believing the lies remainers have told on social media like Facebook about Brexit being a threat to endangered species. I even posted two links to 2 separate news sources on my thread, the environment secretary and international trade secretary have both said it's fake news and yet you still question it. It's frankly astonishing. | |||
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"I've started to wade through the Lisbon Treaty (rather than reading a load of secondary sources). It's certainly aiming for 2020 as a date when all it's provisions are fully in place, and one of these does seem to be all member states must be in the Euro. It also talks of fiscal unity and individual states losing direct voting rights, as apparently "there are too many of them" to be replaced with some sort of upper tier voting.... Jesus Christ...I've found the op quote verbatim matched it to an article showing it's fake and you lot still believe it. What is wrong with you? The same could be said of you not believing the lies remainers have told on social media like Facebook about Brexit being a threat to endangered species. I even posted two links to 2 separate news sources on my thread, the environment secretary and international trade secretary have both said it's fake news and yet you still question it. It's frankly astonishing. " Except the Express contradicts itself on this exact topic which you have still failed to comment on. Both Gove and Fox regularly talk nonsense. That is a euphemism for lie. The Telegraph actually says that they have been "accused" of fake news by...er...The Telegraph
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"I've started to wade through the Lisbon Treaty (rather than reading a load of secondary sources). It's certainly aiming for 2020 as a date when all it's provisions are fully in place, and one of these does seem to be all member states must be in the Euro. It also talks of fiscal unity and individual states losing direct voting rights, as apparently "there are too many of them" to be replaced with some sort of upper tier voting.... Jesus Christ...I've found the op quote verbatim matched it to an article showing it's fake and you lot still believe it. What is wrong with you? The same could be said of you not believing the lies remainers have told on social media like Facebook about Brexit being a threat to endangered species. I even posted two links to 2 separate news sources on my thread, the environment secretary and international trade secretary have both said it's fake news and yet you still question it. It's frankly astonishing. " It just can't though can it, totally different levels and this also had a fabricated author also this was demonstratably fake the story you are on about was alleged. That's a massive thing. So in short false equivolance. | |||
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"I've started to wade through the Lisbon Treaty (rather than reading a load of secondary sources). It's certainly aiming for 2020 as a date when all it's provisions are fully in place, and one of these does seem to be all member states must be in the Euro. It also talks of fiscal unity and individual states losing direct voting rights, as apparently "there are too many of them" to be replaced with some sort of upper tier voting.... Jesus Christ...I've found the op quote verbatim matched it to an article showing it's fake and you lot still believe it. What is wrong with you? The same could be said of you not believing the lies remainers have told on social media like Facebook about Brexit being a threat to endangered species. I even posted two links to 2 separate news sources on my thread, the environment secretary and international trade secretary have both said it's fake news and yet you still question it. It's frankly astonishing. Except the Express contradicts itself on this exact topic which you have still failed to comment on. Both Gove and Fox regularly talk nonsense. That is a euphemism for lie. The Telegraph actually says that they have been "accused" of fake news by...er...The Telegraph
The only fact is how much money has been spent on advertising."The fact is the Peoples vote and Best for Britain have paid Facebook to run anti Brexit, pro remain fake news ads. | |||
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"I've started to wade through the Lisbon Treaty (rather than reading a load of secondary sources). It's certainly aiming for 2020 as a date when all it's provisions are fully in place, and one of these does seem to be all member states must be in the Euro. It also talks of fiscal unity and individual states losing direct voting rights, as apparently "there are too many of them" to be replaced with some sort of upper tier voting.... Jesus Christ...I've found the op quote verbatim matched it to an article showing it's fake and you lot still believe it. What is wrong with you? The same could be said of you not believing the lies remainers have told on social media like Facebook about Brexit being a threat to endangered species. I even posted two links to 2 separate news sources on my thread, the environment secretary and international trade secretary have both said it's fake news and yet you still question it. It's frankly astonishing. Except the Express contradicts itself on this exact topic which you have still failed to comment on. Both Gove and Fox regularly talk nonsense. That is a euphemism for lie. The Telegraph actually says that they have been "accused" of fake news by...er...The Telegraph
The only fact is how much money has been spent on advertising.
The fact is the Peoples vote and Best for Britain have paid Facebook to run anti Brexit, pro remain fake news ads. "If the paper ran it in the way you said they be subject to legal action I'd expect. | |||
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"I've started to wade through the Lisbon Treaty (rather than reading a load of secondary sources). It's certainly aiming for 2020 as a date when all it's provisions are fully in place, and one of these does seem to be all member states must be in the Euro. It also talks of fiscal unity and individual states losing direct voting rights, as apparently "there are too many of them" to be replaced with some sort of upper tier voting.... Jesus Christ...I've found the op quote verbatim matched it to an article showing it's fake and you lot still believe it. What is wrong with you? The same could be said of you not believing the lies remainers have told on social media like Facebook about Brexit being a threat to endangered species. I even posted two links to 2 separate news sources on my thread, the environment secretary and international trade secretary have both said it's fake news and yet you still question it. It's frankly astonishing. Except the Express contradicts itself on this exact topic which you have still failed to comment on. Both Gove and Fox regularly talk nonsense. That is a euphemism for lie. The Telegraph actually says that they have been "accused" of fake news by...er...The Telegraph
The only fact is how much money has been spent on advertising.
The fact is the Peoples vote and Best for Britain have paid Facebook to run anti Brexit, pro remain fake news ads.
If the paper ran it in the way you said they be subject to legal action I'd expect."This thread is an encapsulation of Brexit, Totally proved wrong on the big things arguing the small things...but hey you won. | |||
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"I've started to wade through the Lisbon Treaty (rather than reading a load of secondary sources). It's certainly aiming for 2020 as a date when all it's provisions are fully in place, and one of these does seem to be all member states must be in the Euro. It also talks of fiscal unity and individual states losing direct voting rights, as apparently "there are too many of them" to be replaced with some sort of upper tier voting.... Jesus Christ...I've found the op quote verbatim matched it to an article showing it's fake and you lot still believe it. What is wrong with you? The same could be said of you not believing the lies remainers have told on social media like Facebook about Brexit being a threat to endangered species. I even posted two links to 2 separate news sources on my thread, the environment secretary and international trade secretary have both said it's fake news and yet you still question it. It's frankly astonishing. Except the Express contradicts itself on this exact topic which you have still failed to comment on. Both Gove and Fox regularly talk nonsense. That is a euphemism for lie. The Telegraph actually says that they have been "accused" of fake news by...er...The Telegraph
The only fact is how much money has been spent on advertising.
The fact is the Peoples vote and Best for Britain have paid Facebook to run anti Brexit, pro remain fake news ads.
If the paper ran it in the way you said they be subject to legal action I'd expect."It's the Peoples vote and Best for Britain who should be subject to legal action for running anti Brexit, pro remain fake news ads in the first place. | |||
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"I've started to wade through the Lisbon Treaty (rather than reading a load of secondary sources). It's certainly aiming for 2020 as a date when all it's provisions are fully in place, and one of these does seem to be all member states must be in the Euro. It also talks of fiscal unity and individual states losing direct voting rights, as apparently "there are too many of them" to be replaced with some sort of upper tier voting.... Jesus Christ...I've found the op quote verbatim matched it to an article showing it's fake and you lot still believe it. What is wrong with you? The same could be said of you not believing the lies remainers have told on social media like Facebook about Brexit being a threat to endangered species. I even posted two links to 2 separate news sources on my thread, the environment secretary and international trade secretary have both said it's fake news and yet you still question it. It's frankly astonishing. Except the Express contradicts itself on this exact topic which you have still failed to comment on. Both Gove and Fox regularly talk nonsense. That is a euphemism for lie. The Telegraph actually says that they have been "accused" of fake news by...er...The Telegraph
The only fact is how much money has been spent on advertising.
The fact is the Peoples vote and Best for Britain have paid Facebook to run anti Brexit, pro remain fake news ads.
If the paper ran it in the way you said they be subject to legal action I'd expect.
It's the Peoples vote and Best for Britain who should be subject to legal action for running anti Brexit, pro remain fake news ads in the first place. "You need to but alleged on that Centy | |||
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"I've started to wade through the Lisbon Treaty (rather than reading a load of secondary sources). It's certainly aiming for 2020 as a date when all it's provisions are fully in place, and one of these does seem to be all member states must be in the Euro. It also talks of fiscal unity and individual states losing direct voting rights, as apparently "there are too many of them" to be replaced with some sort of upper tier voting.... Jesus Christ...I've found the op quote verbatim matched it to an article showing it's fake and you lot still believe it. What is wrong with you? The same could be said of you not believing the lies remainers have told on social media like Facebook about Brexit being a threat to endangered species. I even posted two links to 2 separate news sources on my thread, the environment secretary and international trade secretary have both said it's fake news and yet you still question it. It's frankly astonishing. Except the Express contradicts itself on this exact topic which you have still failed to comment on. Both Gove and Fox regularly talk nonsense. That is a euphemism for lie. The Telegraph actually says that they have been "accused" of fake news by...er...The Telegraph
The only fact is how much money has been spent on advertising.
The fact is the Peoples vote and Best for Britain have paid Facebook to run anti Brexit, pro remain fake news ads.
If the paper ran it in the way you said they be subject to legal action I'd expect.
It's the Peoples vote and Best for Britain who should be subject to legal action for running anti Brexit, pro remain fake news ads in the first place.
You need to but alleged on that Centy"Not alleged, it's been confirmed by the environment secretary and the international trade secretary that they are fake news ads run by The Peoples Vote and Best for Britain. | |||
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"I've started to wade through the Lisbon Treaty (rather than reading a load of secondary sources). It's certainly aiming for 2020 as a date when all it's provisions are fully in place, and one of these does seem to be all member states must be in the Euro. It also talks of fiscal unity and individual states losing direct voting rights, as apparently "there are too many of them" to be replaced with some sort of upper tier voting.... Jesus Christ...I've found the op quote verbatim matched it to an article showing it's fake and you lot still believe it. What is wrong with you? The same could be said of you not believing the lies remainers have told on social media like Facebook about Brexit being a threat to endangered species. I even posted two links to 2 separate news sources on my thread, the environment secretary and international trade secretary have both said it's fake news and yet you still question it. It's frankly astonishing. Except the Express contradicts itself on this exact topic which you have still failed to comment on. Both Gove and Fox regularly talk nonsense. That is a euphemism for lie. The Telegraph actually says that they have been "accused" of fake news by...er...The Telegraph
The only fact is how much money has been spent on advertising.
The fact is the Peoples vote and Best for Britain have paid Facebook to run anti Brexit, pro remain fake news ads.
If the paper ran it in the way you said they be subject to legal action I'd expect.
It's the Peoples vote and Best for Britain who should be subject to legal action for running anti Brexit, pro remain fake news ads in the first place.
You need to but alleged on that Centy
Not alleged, it's been confirmed by the environment secretary and the international trade secretary that they are fake news ads run by The Peoples Vote and Best for Britain. "Link? I could be here all might posting 'fake news' from the leave side in fact I'd probably have to take the day off work tomorrow. This is all you have news only poor right wing papers will touch online. These papers have a lot of redactions concerning the EU. As we are on this thread...did you believe the op post? | |||
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"I've started to wade through the Lisbon Treaty (rather than reading a load of secondary sources). It's certainly aiming for 2020 as a date when all it's provisions are fully in place, and one of these does seem to be all member states must be in the Euro. It also talks of fiscal unity and individual states losing direct voting rights, as apparently "there are too many of them" to be replaced with some sort of upper tier voting.... Jesus Christ...I've found the op quote verbatim matched it to an article showing it's fake and you lot still believe it. What is wrong with you? The same could be said of you not believing the lies remainers have told on social media like Facebook about Brexit being a threat to endangered species. I even posted two links to 2 separate news sources on my thread, the environment secretary and international trade secretary have both said it's fake news and yet you still question it. It's frankly astonishing. Except the Express contradicts itself on this exact topic which you have still failed to comment on. Both Gove and Fox regularly talk nonsense. That is a euphemism for lie. The Telegraph actually says that they have been "accused" of fake news by...er...The Telegraph
The only fact is how much money has been spent on advertising.
The fact is the Peoples vote and Best for Britain have paid Facebook to run anti Brexit, pro remain fake news ads.
If the paper ran it in the way you said they be subject to legal action I'd expect.
It's the Peoples vote and Best for Britain who should be subject to legal action for running anti Brexit, pro remain fake news ads in the first place.
You need to but alleged on that Centy
Not alleged, it's been confirmed by the environment secretary and the international trade secretary that they are fake news ads run by The Peoples Vote and Best for Britain.
Link?
I could be here all might posting 'fake news' from the leave side in fact I'd probably have to take the day off work tomorrow.
This is all you have news only poor right wing papers will touch online.
These papers have a lot of redactions concerning the EU.
As we are on this thread...did you believe the op post?
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"I've started to wade through the Lisbon Treaty (rather than reading a load of secondary sources). It's certainly aiming for 2020 as a date when all it's provisions are fully in place, and one of these does seem to be all member states must be in the Euro. It also talks of fiscal unity and individual states losing direct voting rights, as apparently "there are too many of them" to be replaced with some sort of upper tier voting.... Jesus Christ...I've found the op quote verbatim matched it to an article showing it's fake and you lot still believe it. What is wrong with you? The same could be said of you not believing the lies remainers have told on social media like Facebook about Brexit being a threat to endangered species. I even posted two links to 2 separate news sources on my thread, the environment secretary and international trade secretary have both said it's fake news and yet you still question it. It's frankly astonishing. Except the Express contradicts itself on this exact topic which you have still failed to comment on. Both Gove and Fox regularly talk nonsense. That is a euphemism for lie. The Telegraph actually says that they have been "accused" of fake news by...er...The Telegraph
The only fact is how much money has been spent on advertising.
The fact is the Peoples vote and Best for Britain have paid Facebook to run anti Brexit, pro remain fake news ads.
If the paper ran it in the way you said they be subject to legal action I'd expect.
It's the Peoples vote and Best for Britain who should be subject to legal action for running anti Brexit, pro remain fake news ads in the first place.
You need to but alleged on that Centy
Not alleged, it's been confirmed by the environment secretary and the international trade secretary that they are fake news ads run by The Peoples Vote and Best for Britain.
Link?
I could be here all might posting 'fake news' from the leave side in fact I'd probably have to take the day off work tomorrow.
This is all you have news only poor right wing papers will touch online.
These papers have a lot of redactions concerning the EU.
As we are on this thread...did you believe the op post?
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"I've started to wade through the Lisbon Treaty (rather than reading a load of secondary sources). It's certainly aiming for 2020 as a date when all it's provisions are fully in place, and one of these does seem to be all member states must be in the Euro. It also talks of fiscal unity and individual states losing direct voting rights, as apparently "there are too many of them" to be replaced with some sort of upper tier voting.... Jesus Christ...I've found the op quote verbatim matched it to an article showing it's fake and you lot still believe it. What is wrong with you? The same could be said of you not believing the lies remainers have told on social media like Facebook about Brexit being a threat to endangered species. I even posted two links to 2 separate news sources on my thread, the environment secretary and international trade secretary have both said it's fake news and yet you still question it. It's frankly astonishing. Except the Express contradicts itself on this exact topic which you have still failed to comment on. Both Gove and Fox regularly talk nonsense. That is a euphemism for lie. The Telegraph actually says that they have been "accused" of fake news by...er...The Telegraph
The only fact is how much money has been spent on advertising.
The fact is the Peoples vote and Best for Britain have paid Facebook to run anti Brexit, pro remain fake news ads.
If the paper ran it in the way you said they be subject to legal action I'd expect.
It's the Peoples vote and Best for Britain who should be subject to legal action for running anti Brexit, pro remain fake news ads in the first place.
You need to but alleged on that Centy
Not alleged, it's been confirmed by the environment secretary and the international trade secretary that they are fake news ads run by The Peoples Vote and Best for Britain.
Link?
I could be here all might posting 'fake news' from the leave side in fact I'd probably have to take the day off work tomorrow.
This is all you have news only poor right wing papers will touch online.
These papers have a lot of redactions concerning the EU.
As we are on this thread...did you believe the op post?
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Day off work, haha, such a comedian. "Says a man striving to go back to a time that never really existed and never will . | |||
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"I've started to wade through the Lisbon Treaty (rather than reading a load of secondary sources). It's certainly aiming for 2020 as a date when all it's provisions are fully in place, and one of these does seem to be all member states must be in the Euro. It also talks of fiscal unity and individual states losing direct voting rights, as apparently "there are too many of them" to be replaced with some sort of upper tier voting.... Jesus Christ...I've found the op quote verbatim matched it to an article showing it's fake and you lot still believe it. What is wrong with you? The same could be said of you not believing the lies remainers have told on social media like Facebook about Brexit being a threat to endangered species. I even posted two links to 2 separate news sources on my thread, the environment secretary and international trade secretary have both said it's fake news and yet you still question it. It's frankly astonishing. Except the Express contradicts itself on this exact topic which you have still failed to comment on. Both Gove and Fox regularly talk nonsense. That is a euphemism for lie. The Telegraph actually says that they have been "accused" of fake news by...er...The Telegraph
The only fact is how much money has been spent on advertising.
The fact is the Peoples vote and Best for Britain have paid Facebook to run anti Brexit, pro remain fake news ads.
If the paper ran it in the way you said they be subject to legal action I'd expect.
It's the Peoples vote and Best for Britain who should be subject to legal action for running anti Brexit, pro remain fake news ads in the first place.
You need to but alleged on that Centy
Not alleged, it's been confirmed by the environment secretary and the international trade secretary that they are fake news ads run by The Peoples Vote and Best for Britain.
Link?
I could be here all might posting 'fake news' from the leave side in fact I'd probably have to take the day off work tomorrow.
This is all you have news only poor right wing papers will touch online.
These papers have a lot of redactions concerning the EU.
As we are on this thread...did you believe the op post?
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Day off work, haha, such a comedian.
Says a man striving to go back to a time that never really existed and never will .". It did exist but I agree it never likely will again in the future. However unlike the hardcore socialists on here pushing the agenda I do work!. You should try it, it's music for the soul. | |||
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"Just remember people, nobody who actually works and pays taxes pushers for an agenda for the work shy, it's just against their best interests!. However people without a job who spend all day every day on here lecturing those who work their arses off about how cruel they are for not paying more tax!. The left are playing on your moral niceness, don't be fooled they will fuck you over as soon as they reach power. " Just say you've been paying into your own private pension since the age of 19 as I did on another thread. You could practically see them sneering through the screen. | |||
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"I'm not big on politics but have been shown this and wonder, if its true and what's your thoughts? The post below is not my post but I think needs sharing far and wide. This could be a game changer if raised: it shows what will happen very shortly ( next year) if we remain please point this out to any remainers. This is what happens when we stay in Europe. WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THE LISBON TREATY, THE TREATY THAT COMES INTO FORCE 2020, ITS WORSE THAN THE SO CALLED DEAL, IF 99% OF THE BRITISH THINK THIS DEAL IS BAD JUST LOOK AT THE LISBON TREATY. PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW, LEAVERS AND REMAIMERS.. “What will actually happen if we stay in the EU” is a question no remainer will ever answer but here it is warts and all. Check it out if you wish —— 1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed. 2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s. 3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty. 4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. (This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen, the move is fully cancelled - but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.) 5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK. 6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today. 7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals. 8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs. 9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas. 10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights 11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights 12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 - as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty 13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation 14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent 15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy 16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them 17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealths 18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.: Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc 19: The UK loses control of its judicial system 20: The UK loses control of its international policy 21: The UK loses full control of its national policy 22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right. 23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program 24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction 25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty 26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020 This is the future that the youths of today think we stole from them? They should be on their knees thanking us for saving them from being turned into Orwellian automatons!" Biggest load of bullshit I've ever read and cannot for the life of me understand how anyone could "share" anything like this without knowing its just a waste of server space. and Remain get accused of Project Fear | |||
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"Very interesting we better get out on March 29th,I bet very few even in parliament have read this" Why would anyone in Parliament read this fiction? It isnt true for goodness sake | |||
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"I've started to wade through the Lisbon Treaty (rather than reading a load of secondary sources). It's certainly aiming for 2020 as a date when all it's provisions are fully in place, and one of these does seem to be all member states must be in the Euro. It also talks of fiscal unity and individual states losing direct voting rights, as apparently "there are too many of them" to be replaced with some sort of upper tier voting.... Jesus Christ...I've found the op quote verbatim matched it to an article showing it's fake and you lot still believe it. What is wrong with you? The same could be said of you not believing the lies remainers have told on social media like Facebook about Brexit being a threat to endangered species. I even posted two links to 2 separate news sources on my thread, the environment secretary and international trade secretary have both said it's fake news and yet you still question it. It's frankly astonishing. Except the Express contradicts itself on this exact topic which you have still failed to comment on. Both Gove and Fox regularly talk nonsense. That is a euphemism for lie. The Telegraph actually says that they have been "accused" of fake news by...er...The Telegraph
The only fact is how much money has been spent on advertising.
The fact is the Peoples vote and Best for Britain have paid Facebook to run anti Brexit, pro remain fake news ads.
If the paper ran it in the way you said they be subject to legal action I'd expect.
It's the Peoples vote and Best for Britain who should be subject to legal action for running anti Brexit, pro remain fake news ads in the first place.
You need to but alleged on that Centy
Not alleged, it's been confirmed by the environment secretary and the international trade secretary that they are fake news ads run by The Peoples Vote and Best for Britain. "Actually Centaur, your two newspapers are very careful to say that these are only accusations. So. Alleged. You wouldn't want to be posting fake news on here would you? | |||
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"I've started to wade through the Lisbon Treaty (rather than reading a load of secondary sources). It's certainly aiming for 2020 as a date when all it's provisions are fully in place, and one of these does seem to be all member states must be in the Euro. It also talks of fiscal unity and individual states losing direct voting rights, as apparently "there are too many of them" to be replaced with some sort of upper tier voting.... Jesus Christ...I've found the op quote verbatim matched it to an article showing it's fake and you lot still believe it. What is wrong with you? The same could be said of you not believing the lies remainers have told on social media like Facebook about Brexit being a threat to endangered species. I even posted two links to 2 separate news sources on my thread, the environment secretary and international trade secretary have both said it's fake news and yet you still question it. It's frankly astonishing. Except the Express contradicts itself on this exact topic which you have still failed to comment on. Both Gove and Fox regularly talk nonsense. That is a euphemism for lie. The Telegraph actually says that they have been "accused" of fake news by...er...The Telegraph
The only fact is how much money has been spent on advertising.
The fact is the Peoples vote and Best for Britain have paid Facebook to run anti Brexit, pro remain fake news ads.
If the paper ran it in the way you said they be subject to legal action I'd expect.
It's the Peoples vote and Best for Britain who should be subject to legal action for running anti Brexit, pro remain fake news ads in the first place. "See the other thread. I’m not convinced anyone has laid claims at People’s Vote. The examples were all B4B. | |||
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"Very interesting we better get out on March 29th,I bet very few even in parliament have read this" Perfect example of reading one thing and letting confirmation bias set in. | |||
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"Firstly I would like to say thank you to the guy who sent me a sh*tty message asking if I was that stupid! Secondly I'd like to point out my first line.....I'm not big on politics! I asked on here because its a political forum so I thought I'd get a few views, there's no need to be nasty to each other about our opinions as I don't think many of us actually know all the answers, we have our views and perceptions. I'd love to understand, in layman's terms, just what is going on but I'll find out soon enough. Thank you all for your opinions and for the quote where it came from "Thank you for sharing this and querying it’s veracity. As you can see it is a perfect example of how the leave campaigners have been spreading propaganda in order to sway people like yourself who are ‘not big on politics’. There are millions of people ‘not big on politics’ and this is what the leavers are counting on. To be able to sway them to vote against their own interests by getting them to believe their lies. As you can see from some of the comments on this thread, it works. Too many people are willing to just accept this as true without questioning it. -Matt | |||
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"Whether this is true or fake, it is irrelevant as we are leaving the EU. So why are people getting so hot under the collar? Possibly because they don't want to recognise that all citizens of the EU will be tied into very rigid regulations such as a choice from 3 male and 3 female styles of haircut, wearing black boiler suits in public or adopting the pebble as the single currency." Because there is a very real possibility that there is a second referendum or a general election. And the leave campaign are stepping up their propoganda and lies in advance just in case. -Matt | |||
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"Whether this is true or fake, it is irrelevant as we are leaving the EU. So why are people getting so hot under the collar? Possibly because they don't want to recognise that all citizens of the EU will be tied into very rigid regulations such as a choice from 3 male and 3 female styles of haircut, wearing black boiler suits in public or adopting the pebble as the single currency. Because there is a very real possibility that there is a second referendum or a general election. And the leave campaign are stepping up their propoganda and lies in advance just in case. -Matt" As are the remain campaign too. | |||
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"Whether this is true or fake, it is irrelevant as we are leaving the EU. So why are people getting so hot under the collar? Possibly because they don't want to recognise that all citizens of the EU will be tied into very rigid regulations such as a choice from 3 male and 3 female styles of haircut, wearing black boiler suits in public or adopting the pebble as the single currency. Because there is a very real possibility that there is a second referendum or a general election. And the leave campaign are stepping up their propoganda and lies in advance just in case. -Matt As are the remain campaign too. " Cool, can you point me out to anything quite as blatantly dishonest as this post? -Matt | |||
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"Just remember people, nobody who actually works and pays taxes pushers for an agenda for the work shy, it's just against their best interests!. However people without a job who spend all day every day on here lecturing those who work their arses off about how cruel they are for not paying more tax!. The left are playing on your moral niceness, don't be fooled they will fuck you over as soon as they reach power. " Agreed. I work my bollocks off, no overtime rates, no payed breaks. I’m there 9 hours but only get payed 7.5. I’m 52 and won’t get my work pension until I’m 75. Yet I know for a fact that the left wingers would have me pay more tax on my minimum wage job. I’m no Tory, but consider them better than LibLab everytime. Hopefully the new BREXIT Party will have legs. That I’m looking at with interest in becoming a member. We need a real voice and it looks like UKIP have gone with the political lightweights and lunatics. Fuck the EU, I want out, and so do my colleagues, even those who are immigrants. | |||
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"Just remember people, nobody who actually works and pays taxes pushers for an agenda for the work shy, it's just against their best interests!. However people without a job who spend all day every day on here lecturing those who work their arses off about how cruel they are for not paying more tax!. The left are playing on your moral niceness, don't be fooled they will fuck you over as soon as they reach power. Agreed. I work my bollocks off, no overtime rates, no payed breaks. I’m there 9 hours but only get payed 7.5. I’m 52 and won’t get my work pension until I’m 75. Yet I know for a fact that the left wingers would have me pay more tax on my minimum wage job. I’m no Tory, but consider them better than LibLab everytime. Hopefully the new BREXIT Party will have legs. That I’m looking at with interest in becoming a member. We need a real voice and it looks like UKIP have gone with the political lightweights and lunatics. Fuck the EU, I want out, and so do my colleagues, even those who are immigrants." Just to play devils advocate, you do realise that Labour wouldn’t charge lower wage people much or any more tax and you would potentially get way more in terms of social care when you’re at retirement age. | |||
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"Just remember people, nobody who actually works and pays taxes pushers for an agenda for the work shy, it's just against their best interests!. However people without a job who spend all day every day on here lecturing those who work their arses off about how cruel they are for not paying more tax!. The left are playing on your moral niceness, don't be fooled they will fuck you over as soon as they reach power. " You don't have to work to pay tax you know | |||
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"Whether this is true or fake, it is irrelevant as we are leaving the EU. So why are people getting so hot under the collar? Possibly because they don't want to recognise that all citizens of the EU will be tied into very rigid regulations such as a choice from 3 male and 3 female styles of haircut, wearing black boiler suits in public or adopting the pebble as the single currency." Damn. I'd been collecting acorns as I'd heard that was going to be the new currency for the Eurozone....can I swap them for pebbles? | |||
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"Just remember people, nobody who actually works and pays taxes pushers for an agenda for the work shy, it's just against their best interests!. However people without a job who spend all day every day on here lecturing those who work their arses off about how cruel they are for not paying more tax!. The left are playing on your moral niceness, don't be fooled they will fuck you over as soon as they reach power. Agreed. I work my bollocks off, no overtime rates, no payed breaks. I’m there 9 hours but only get payed 7.5. I’m 52 and won’t get my work pension until I’m 75. Yet I know for a fact that the left wingers would have me pay more tax on my minimum wage job. I’m no Tory, but consider them better than LibLab everytime. Hopefully the new BREXIT Party will have legs. That I’m looking at with interest in becoming a member. We need a real voice and it looks like UKIP have gone with the political lightweights and lunatics. Fuck the EU, I want out, and so do my colleagues, even those who are immigrants." It is a fact that those earning over £80 will pay more tax under Labour | |||
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"Just remember people, nobody who actually works and pays taxes pushers for an agenda for the work shy, it's just against their best interests!. However people without a job who spend all day every day on here lecturing those who work their arses off about how cruel they are for not paying more tax!. The left are playing on your moral niceness, don't be fooled they will fuck you over as soon as they reach power. Agreed. I work my bollocks off, no overtime rates, no payed breaks. I’m there 9 hours but only get payed 7.5. I’m 52 and won’t get my work pension until I’m 75. Yet I know for a fact that the left wingers would have me pay more tax on my minimum wage job. I’m no Tory, but consider them better than LibLab everytime. Hopefully the new BREXIT Party will have legs. That I’m looking at with interest in becoming a member. We need a real voice and it looks like UKIP have gone with the political lightweights and lunatics. Fuck the EU, I want out, and so do my colleagues, even those who are immigrants." Good lord the left is massively FOR taking minimum wage and those making just above that out of the tax brackets altogether. The left is also in favour of raising the minimum wage so that if you work a full week you should have enough to live on. They are also for protecting workers from things like unpaid overtime. The right is for giving companies and billionaires the biggest tax cuts, keeping the minimum wage as low as possible and reducing worker rights and protections. How are you 52 and not managed to work out the left and the right yet? Under a left wing government you'd have a higher minimum wage, you wouldnt pay most of the tax youre paying now and you'd get extra for overtime and better social services. The right will tell you that these are all things that will cost jobs but amazingly, if people have more money to spend then its better for the economy than billionaires shipping that money to sit in a Panamanian bank account. People spending money generates jobs. Panamanian bank accounts dont. | |||
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"Just remember people, nobody who actually works and pays taxes pushers for an agenda for the work shy, it's just against their best interests!. However people without a job who spend all day every day on here lecturing those who work their arses off about how cruel they are for not paying more tax!. The left are playing on your moral niceness, don't be fooled they will fuck you over as soon as they reach power. Agreed. I work my bollocks off, no overtime rates, no payed breaks. I’m there 9 hours but only get payed 7.5. I’m 52 and won’t get my work pension until I’m 75. Yet I know for a fact that the left wingers would have me pay more tax on my minimum wage job. I’m no Tory, but consider them better than LibLab everytime. Hopefully the new BREXIT Party will have legs. That I’m looking at with interest in becoming a member. We need a real voice and it looks like UKIP have gone with the political lightweights and lunatics. Fuck the EU, I want out, and so do my colleagues, even those who are immigrants. It is a fact that those earning over £80 will pay more tax under Labour" £80 a what ? Source ? | |||
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"Just remember people, nobody who actually works and pays taxes pushers for an agenda for the work shy, it's just against their best interests!. However people without a job who spend all day every day on here lecturing those who work their arses off about how cruel they are for not paying more tax!. The left are playing on your moral niceness, don't be fooled they will fuck you over as soon as they reach power. Agreed. I work my bollocks off, no overtime rates, no payed breaks. I’m there 9 hours but only get payed 7.5. I’m 52 and won’t get my work pension until I’m 75. Yet I know for a fact that the left wingers would have me pay more tax on my minimum wage job. I’m no Tory, but consider them better than LibLab everytime. Hopefully the new BREXIT Party will have legs. That I’m looking at with interest in becoming a member. We need a real voice and it looks like UKIP have gone with the political lightweights and lunatics. Fuck the EU, I want out, and so do my colleagues, even those who are immigrants. Good lord the left is massively FOR taking minimum wage and those making just above that out of the tax brackets altogether. The left is also in favour of raising the minimum wage so that if you work a full week you should have enough to live on. They are also for protecting workers from things like unpaid overtime. The right is for giving companies and billionaires the biggest tax cuts, keeping the minimum wage as low as possible and reducing worker rights and protections. How are you 52 and not managed to work out the left and the right yet? Under a left wing government you'd have a higher minimum wage, you wouldnt pay most of the tax youre paying now and you'd get extra for overtime and better social services. The right will tell you that these are all things that will cost jobs but amazingly, if people have more money to spend then its better for the economy than billionaires shipping that money to sit in a Panamanian bank account. People spending money generates jobs. Panamanian bank accounts dont." I know what the left say they will do, but just like the right they never do. I’m waiting to see what the new BREXIT Party does, with Nige in charge I would be prepared to join. | |||
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"Just remember people, nobody who actually works and pays taxes pushers for an agenda for the work shy, it's just against their best interests!. However people without a job who spend all day every day on here lecturing those who work their arses off about how cruel they are for not paying more tax!. The left are playing on your moral niceness, don't be fooled they will fuck you over as soon as they reach power. Agreed. I work my bollocks off, no overtime rates, no payed breaks. I’m there 9 hours but only get payed 7.5. I’m 52 and won’t get my work pension until I’m 75. Yet I know for a fact that the left wingers would have me pay more tax on my minimum wage job. I’m no Tory, but consider them better than LibLab everytime. Hopefully the new BREXIT Party will have legs. That I’m looking at with interest in becoming a member. We need a real voice and it looks like UKIP have gone with the political lightweights and lunatics. Fuck the EU, I want out, and so do my colleagues, even those who are immigrants. It is a fact that those earning over £80 will pay more tax under Labour £80 a what ? Source ?" £80k pa Source: Labour policy | |||
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"I've started to wade through the Lisbon Treaty (rather than reading a load of secondary sources). It's certainly aiming for 2020 as a date when all it's provisions are fully in place, and one of these does seem to be all member states must be in the Euro. It also talks of fiscal unity and individual states losing direct voting rights, as apparently "there are too many of them" to be replaced with some sort of upper tier voting.... Heres another problem, people pretending to research and have the ability to understand it propogating the lies. The Lisbon treaty does not require all member states to be in the Euro, youre just either incapable of understanding the agreement or outright lying." Have you read it? I was reading the actual treaty at the time I posted that, not a secondary sources. | |||
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"Just remember people, nobody who actually works and pays taxes pushers for an agenda for the work shy, it's just against their best interests!. However people without a job who spend all day every day on here lecturing those who work their arses off about how cruel they are for not paying more tax!. The left are playing on your moral niceness, don't be fooled they will fuck you over as soon as they reach power. Agreed. I work my bollocks off, no overtime rates, no payed breaks. I’m there 9 hours but only get payed 7.5. I’m 52 and won’t get my work pension until I’m 75. Yet I know for a fact that the left wingers would have me pay more tax on my minimum wage job. I’m no Tory, but consider them better than LibLab everytime. Hopefully the new BREXIT Party will have legs. That I’m looking at with interest in becoming a member. We need a real voice and it looks like UKIP have gone with the political lightweights and lunatics. Fuck the EU, I want out, and so do my colleagues, even those who are immigrants. It is a fact that those earning over £80 will pay more tax under Labour £80 a what ? Source ? £80k pa Source: Labour policy" Ta. Though that’s a million miles away from minimum wage and labour taxing everyone who works... whixh was where this thread was heading. | |||
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"I've started to wade through the Lisbon Treaty (rather than reading a load of secondary sources). It's certainly aiming for 2020 as a date when all it's provisions are fully in place, and one of these does seem to be all member states must be in the Euro. It also talks of fiscal unity and individual states losing direct voting rights, as apparently "there are too many of them" to be replaced with some sort of upper tier voting.... Heres another problem, people pretending to research and have the ability to understand it propogating the lies. The Lisbon treaty does not require all member states to be in the Euro, youre just either incapable of understanding the agreement or outright lying. Have you read it? I was reading the actual treaty at the time I posted that, not a secondary sources." It absolutely does not say this. It says: "RESOLVED to achieve the strengthening and the convergence of their economies and to establish an economic and monetary union including, in accordance with the provisions of this Treaty and of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union, a single and stable currency," The provisions of the treaty are for "Member states whose currency IS the Euro". It is not clear if you do not normally spend time having to read and understand legal documents. If you do, then it is very clear. That's the "joy" of complexity  | |||
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