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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent?" Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. | |||
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"Not just incompetent, totally incompetent. Farage has arguably been the only one of the three to come out of this with any credibility, Boris has used the whole exercise as a means to force a leadership battle that he was desperate to win, and Rees Mogg just lends credence to remainders beliefs that he's only in it for enormous personal financial gain." Ress Mogg also when form calling the PM to resign to backing her in a couple of days. | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. " What was a good deal for you? I suspect it never actually existed in reality..prehaps only in sound bites. | |||
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"The Leave campaign promised voters they could keep the bits of the EU we liked and get rid of the bits we did not like. That was populist nonsense. You say this is a bad deal, but both the EU and the UK acknowledge the terms are better than any that have been offered to a third country before. The reality is you were promised things that were impossible to deliver. That's not the fault of the EU. It still doesn't make it a good deal! " | |||
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"Is it better or worse than the alternative?" Worse to be tied to something you have no say in and may never be able to leave! | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. " Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. " How long will this trade deal take? other new trade deals will probably want to wait till that one is signed. So what happens if calling their bluff doesn't work. The EU seems to be doing far better No Deal planning than us. The, "they need us more than we need them" seem's to be getting weaker and weaker. | |||
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"Not just incompetent, totally incompetent. Farage has arguably been the only one of the three to come out of this with any credibility, Boris has used the whole exercise as a means to force a leadership battle that he was desperate to win, and Rees Mogg just lends credence to remainders beliefs that he's only in it for enormous personal financial gain." Farage? He didn't even start to try to solve the problem he solved. Perfect politician. Create disaster and criticise everyone else for not delivering what he "would" have done 
I agree though, that this seems to make him look credible to some people even if I can't see the logic.
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. " what kind of fantasy land are you living in where you think Barnier would listen to what your suggesting happened? use some common sense and logic because it only sounds like delusional to think that he would even listen to what you suggest let alone act upon it.. your refusal to accept the facts that what has actually happened is becoming more comical, that the Nirvana promised was not achievable and a con, that May and the Tories have fucked up totally by triggering article 50 without a plan, that the high and mighty wise ones of the erg have failed to produce this magical solution still that has any possibility of working.. that there is no majority for your no deal deal be that managed or not.. so now some fiction is in your head which may help you personally to ignore the reality.. links etc to these meetings please? Where these 3 people with nothing more than an idea shared with others for a not recognised solution by May and the Uk Government was accepted, agreed by all the EU countries and therefore set their negotiating strategy.. | |||
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"It’s only a “bad deal” because you are measuring it against something that was false - the expectations raised by populists that you could have your cake and eat it. That was never on the table, yet people persist in believing the myth." Mays deal is a bad deal if you’re prepared to sacrifice the GFA for no customs union. Others will see anything which takes the Irish border a step back as a bad deal. The thing is, when the country voted to leave, it wasn’t a conditional vote. May, even as a leaver, delivered on brexit. Even if you hoped for better, you can’t complain it’s not been delivered. A bad deal is still a deal. And a bad brexit is still brexit. | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. " Alternatively, it is the best deal possible. You may be correct that it is all a conspiracy or that it was always going to end badly because her heart wasn't in it. However, she did define Brexit in the hardest way possible. You cheered for it and demanded that we all supported her without question. It speaks volumes that you cannot allow the possibility that this really is the best deal possible. If the government had initiated a discussion and reached consensus two years ago rather than the "you lost, get over it" bullying then nobody would be briefing against anyone. That did not happen. Leave without no deal? Fine. List some of the consequences, whom they will effect and for how long. Just your best guess. | |||
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"Not just incompetent, totally incompetent. Farage has arguably been the only one of the three to come out of this with any credibility, Boris has used the whole exercise as a means to force a leadership battle that he was desperate to win, and Rees Mogg just lends credence to remainders beliefs that he's only in it for enormous personal financial gain. Farage? He didn't even start to try to solve the problem he solved. Perfect politician. Create disaster and criticise everyone else for not delivering what he "would" have done
I agree though, that this seems to make him look credible to some people even if I can't see the logic.
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"I can fully appreciate and understand that people have differing views on the E.U. , so I am not going to point to any individual ,. The culprit for the complete mess we are in ( wether you voted leave or remain ) is the Conservative Party , Their manifesto for the 2015 General Election promised an in/out referendum , they delivered on their promise but the idea that any sitting government of any persuasion in any country can promise its citizens a referendum with just 2 options and have absolutely no plan what so ever if one of those options wins is truly staggering , what makes it even more astounding is that the same government had said in the 2015 election campaign and had said many , many times in parliament that they had "a long term economic plan" , The job of a government (any government) is to be prepared for any eventuality , I can sympathise with parliament if something unforeseen occurs and I generally have sympathy in such cases as I realise it is quite easy to see things in hindsight ,, but not to foresee the potential of " leave" winning the referendum and therefore having absolutely no idea of how to proceed the next morning ( or 2 years later) shows staggering inept incompetence , . You can now blame individuals for having different opinions / solutions to yourself but the real blame for this embaressing mess lies solely with the Conservative party " It’s taken almost two years to come up with a deal. Cameron’s government could not have proposed any version of what leave would look like with any certainty. And if they did, the leave campaign would have called it project fear, or.l a remainers deal to truck us back in, and still promised the cake and eat it option. And anything said would have made no difference, based on arguments people knew what they voted for and paid no heed to buses etc. | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. " My thoughts exactly, tell them to spin on it!  | |||
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"The problem is the promises that were made to people during the referendum. They always were impossible to deliver. Mrs May could have managed expectations the moment she stepped into No. 10 and told people the truth. She didn't. She persisted with the impossible expectations. When she became a minority administration, it was so fucking obvious she could never get anything through on traditional party lines. What did she do? Did she reach out beyond her party to build a national consensus? No, she retreated inwards to a little coterie of right-wingers. Before she had even started talking to the EU, she set a whole series of red lines. Now she is completely backed into a corner. She cannot deliver on the 2016 referendum promises and she cannot bring herself to face the consequences of crashing out. Yet still she persists with the idea she can bulldoze through her agreement. What does this shambles tell you about Britain's prospects when it can no longer hide behind the collective strength of the EU? Where does the Conservative Party find these idiots? " The same place all the other parties find theirs!  | |||
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"The problem is the promises that were made to people during the referendum. They always were impossible to deliver. Mrs May could have managed expectations the moment she stepped into No. 10 and told people the truth. She didn't. She persisted with the impossible expectations. When she became a minority administration, it was so fucking obvious she could never get anything through on traditional party lines. What did she do? Did she reach out beyond her party to build a national consensus? No, she retreated inwards to a little coterie of right-wingers. Before she had even started talking to the EU, she set a whole series of red lines. Now she is completely backed into a corner. She cannot deliver on the 2016 referendum promises and she cannot bring herself to face the consequences of crashing out. Yet still she persists with the idea she can bulldoze through her agreement. What does this shambles tell you about Britain's prospects when it can no longer hide behind the collective strength of the EU? Where does the Conservative Party find these idiots? The same place all the other parties find theirs! "my concern before the vote was that i did not see the people in either party in position who would competently sort the thing out.. problem being they would both approach it on a party political bias when it was and is a national issue and party politics should have been set aside, much like the 2nd World War.. suggesting that on here only led to the response from some leavers of 'you lost, get over it'.. | |||
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"To all those saying leave with no deal. I do hope if it results in job losses at your employers you step forward and volunteer for it to effect your family." . Would also be nice if those wanting leave with no deal write to their doctor / pharmacy informing them that "if leaving causes a shortage of tablets I am prepared to stand by my principles and someone else should have the medicine before I do" ------- this situation may not and I hope doesn't occur but if it does I hope you will inform your doctor of your wishes ( if you haven't already done so ) | |||
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"To all those saying leave with no deal. I do hope if it results in job losses at your employers you step forward and volunteer for it to effect your family.. Would also be nice if those wanting leave with no deal write to their doctor / pharmacy informing them that "if leaving causes a shortage of tablets I am prepared to stand by my principles and someone else should have the medicine before I do" ------- this situation may not and I hope doesn't occur but if it does I hope you will inform your doctor of your wishes ( if you haven't already done so ) " The same could be said for those who say there will be no food on the supermarket shelves or any flights, will they sit at home hungry and going pale while the rest of us enjoy the bounty of our freedom? Of course they won't they will be saying "I knew it would be alright" while they stuff their faces and wait for the plane to board! | |||
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"It is conservative party incompetence, as brexit has been 100% their responsibility - 1. Cameron promised a referendum, then initiated it. 2. May took the PM job, after Cameron left. 3. May knew there was huge disagreement within the conservative party but made no effort to conclude a party agreement upon what they wanted, before triggering Article 50. 4. May refused to include other political parties as well as government in the negotiations, keeping it 100% conservative. She only involved parliament when forced, such as to gain votes or new legislation. 5. A variety of conservative ministers were involved in the negotiations as well as May's government internal deal development prep, such as Chequers, where Johnson, Gove, Davis et al contributed. 6. May made 'red lines' that had to be accommodated by the negotiations, including the NI/ROI border issue. I'm not into blaming but the responsibility for brexit, from end to finish, is held by the conservative party, who did everything to ensure that it remained 100% conservative, from start to present. They like to try to deflect attention on to others but this is the fact on brexit - all other parties were excluded by the conservatives. " And I should add - it took most of the 2 years after triggering Article 50 for the conservative party to try to make decisions about what they wanted. They still haven't - that was May's key failure, by doing so when she did not keep her focus on the party she apparently was leading. 2 years of wasted time and £billions spent to get this mess.  | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. " Could you please provide evidence that people outside the government have had meetings with Mr Barnier. I feel like that would be publicised | |||
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"Let me get this right. Due to the fact that our politicians are incapable of negotiating a withdrawal deal, we should go to WTO and then rely on those politicians to negotiate numerous trade deals." I've said that to leave voters in my family. Most said, yes, but we can change politicians. I asked who. None of them like mogg ect as they are centre left leaning - so they couldn't find a government worth of politicians s to support. Kind of awkward. | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. " I thought less puppetry, more soverngnity was the plan? | |||
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"I am still trying to understand how our relationship with the EU became elevated to national crisis status. Considering how many problems that we face in this country and how few (if any) of them can be resolved by leaving the EU, I am still bewildered as to how such a non issue became an real issue of such crisis status that a referendum was needed to “fix” it. I suppose therefore, I blame the sales pitch that turned the benefits of EU Membership into a crisis in the minds of a large chunk of the population. " The biggest narrative I get is: The working class and lower middle class, and the services they need are struggling. We send money to Brussels. That money should be invested here in our own infastructure and people. (Legitimate thing to feel). There for we should leave. Even though pooling money in the EU leads to more investment hence why medical research and services have got better, but the government has gutted frontline services so it's not getting implemented. | |||
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"I am still trying to understand how our relationship with the EU became elevated to national crisis status. Considering how many problems that we face in this country and how few (if any) of them can be resolved by leaving the EU, I am still bewildered as to how such a non issue became an real issue of such crisis status that a referendum was needed to “fix” it. I suppose therefore, I blame the sales pitch that turned the benefits of EU Membership into a crisis in the minds of a large chunk of the population. The biggest narrative I get is: The working class and lower middle class, and the services they need are struggling. We send money to Brussels. That money should be invested here in our own infastructure and people. (Legitimate thing to feel). There for we should leave. Even though pooling money in the EU leads to more investment hence why medical research and services have got better, but the government has gutted frontline services so it's not getting implemented." A massively flawed theory but I agree a lot seem to believe it for some reason. | |||
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"The Leave campaign was contemptuous of the border issue when it was raised in the referendum campaign. Again, they made impossible assertions. Major and Blair - the people on the British side who delivered the peace - went to NI several times to warn people what voting Leave meant for the Good Friday Agreement. Their arguments were dismissed. Now the chickens have come home to roost. Still the Leavers do not have any credible answer to the Good Friday Agreement. Until they come up with one, the backstop is a cornerstone of any agreement with the EU. The choice now is between the Good Friday Agreement - the withdrawal agreement - and a hard border in Ireland - the no-deal scenario. No-one in Leave had the answer to it in 2016 and no-one in Leave has the answer to it in 2019. Only rhetoric about taking back control of borders from the EU and stopping the free-flow of people across the border. Feel free to carry on and take back control of the British border in Ireland. You do know that deaths from terrorism in the UK are at a 50-year low? Do the public have full knowledge of the good Friday agreement or like myself only heard that e everything as stopped and no more uncertainty about the nasty people. I'm unable to say the word it's blocked in here. We can't there for have a creditable argument if leavers some who were young like myself and those that simply don't know fully " | |||
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" Do the public have full knowledge of the good Friday agreement or like myself only heard that e everything as stopped and no more uncertainty about the nasty people. I'm unable to say the word it's blocked in here. We can't there for have a creditable argument if leavers some who were young like myself and those that simply don't know fully " Did people think through all the consequences of a vote to leave? Does anyone even know all the consequences of a vote to leave? Nah, it came down to slogans written on the side of a bus and xenophobic memes posted from Serbia on social media that went viral. | |||
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" Do the public have full knowledge of the good Friday agreement or like myself only heard that e everything as stopped and no more uncertainty about the nasty people. I'm unable to say the word it's blocked in here. We can't there for have a creditable argument if leavers some who were young like myself and those that simply don't know fully Did people think through all the consequences of a vote to leave? Does anyone even know all the consequences of a vote to leave? Nah, it came down to slogans written on the side of a bus and xenophobic memes posted from Serbia on social media that went viral. " Do you know all the consequences of leaving!? Let me answer for you, that will be a big fat no! But to hear you go on you would think you did, I will listen when you come with facts not theories! | |||
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" Do the public have full knowledge of the good Friday agreement or like myself only heard that e everything as stopped and no more uncertainty about the nasty people. I'm unable to say the word it's blocked in here. We can't there for have a creditable argument if leavers some who were young like myself and those that simply don't know fully Did people think through all the consequences of a vote to leave? Does anyone even know all the consequences of a vote to leave? Nah, it came down to slogans written on the side of a bus and xenophobic memes posted from Serbia on social media that went viral. Do you know all the consequences of leaving!? Let me answer for you, that will be a big fat no! But to hear you go on you would think you did, I will listen when you come with facts not theories!" I can honestly say, at the time of voting, I didn’t. But that also led me to vote remain. There were just too many unknowns to take a leap of faith. | |||
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" Do you know all the consequences of leaving!? Let me answer for you, that will be a big fat no! But to hear you go on you would think you did, I will listen when you come with facts not theories!" I don't, but it sounds like you do. Can you enlighten the rest of us? | |||
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" Do you know all the consequences of leaving!? Let me answer for you, that will be a big fat no! But to hear you go on you would think you did, I will listen when you come with facts not theories! I don't, but it sounds like you do. Can you enlighten the rest of us? " Where did it sound like I do!? I am happy to admit I don't just like everyone else, despite what they may say! | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. Could you please provide evidence that people outside the government have had meetings with Mr Barnier. I feel like that would be publicised " It has been publicised, a quick look on google would confirm it for you. Blair met Barnier in County Wicklow, Ireland, in May 2017, at a meeting of the EPP (European Peoples Party) on Brexit. This was reported in the Belfast Telegraph, link is easy to find on google. The following link also shows many other meetings that remainers outside of government have been having with the EU to try to stop Brexit... www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/14/clegg-leads-pro-remain-grandees-on-diplomatic-mission-to-stop-brexit The Guardian report clearly makes reference to Blair and Barnier having a meeting on 18 July. | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. Could you please provide evidence that people outside the government have had meetings with Mr Barnier. I feel like that would be publicised It has been publicised, a quick look on google would confirm it for you. Blair met Barnier in County Wicklow, Ireland, in May 2017, at a meeting of the EPP (European Peoples Party) on Brexit. This was reported in the Belfast Telegraph, link is easy to find on google. The following link also shows many other meetings that remainers outside of government have been having with the EU to try to stop Brexit... www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/14/clegg-leads-pro-remain-grandees-on-diplomatic-mission-to-stop-brexit The Guardian report clearly makes reference to Blair and Barnier having a meeting on 18 July. " Not the same as what you allege though.. | |||
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" Do the public have full knowledge of the good Friday agreement or like myself only heard that e everything as stopped and no more uncertainty about the nasty people. I'm unable to say the word it's blocked in here. We can't there for have a creditable argument if leavers some who were young like myself and those that simply don't know fully Did people think through all the consequences of a vote to leave? Does anyone even know all the consequences of a vote to leave? Nah, it came down to slogans written on the side of a bus and xenophobic memes posted from Serbia on social media that went viral. " My theory is that after all those years of being in the EU and giving endless amounts of money and not really getting much in return were as there foreign aid been towards uk crisis that we have had. When the opportunity arose to leave i don't think it was all pretty buses and social media it went depper. The fact we would have more money within the UK to build a better quality uk more opportunity for those from all walks of life and to establish a better control of people coming into this country there are books on ebbbey on how to settle here etc.. I also believe that once out there will be no magic fix it's like building a highriser business tower block piece by piece but each and every one of the uk people have skills that can make it happen | |||
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" Do the public have full knowledge of the good Friday agreement or like myself only heard that e everything as stopped and no more uncertainty about the nasty people. I'm unable to say the word it's blocked in here. We can't there for have a creditable argument if leavers some who were young like myself and those that simply don't know fully Did people think through all the consequences of a vote to leave? Does anyone even know all the consequences of a vote to leave? Nah, it came down to slogans written on the side of a bus and xenophobic memes posted from Serbia on social media that went viral. My theory is that after all those years of being in the EU and giving endless amounts of money and not really getting much in return were as there foreign aid been towards uk crisis that we have had. When the opportunity arose to leave i don't think it was all pretty buses and social media it went depper. The fact we would have more money within the UK to build a better quality uk more opportunity for those from all walks of life and to establish a better control of people coming into this country there are books on ebbbey on how to settle here etc.. I also believe that once out there will be no magic fix it's like building a highriser business tower block piece by piece but each and every one of the uk people have skills that can make it happen " The UK gross contribution, after application of the rebate, accounts for less than 2 per cent of public sector spends each year, and is equivalent to less than 1 per cent of the UK’s economic output. We gain far more than that in increased trade and the jobs and companies and taxes associated with that. I bought a book in Waterstone's on how to settle in Italy before I moved there for three years. Nice speech. What does it mean? Why can't we build the tower block now now from a position of strength and security? Is the EU "holding is back"? How? What short and medium term problems do you forsee? Who will it effect and for how long? | |||
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" Do the public have full knowledge of the good Friday agreement or like myself only heard that e everything as stopped and no more uncertainty about the nasty people. I'm unable to say the word it's blocked in here. We can't there for have a creditable argument if leavers some who were young like myself and those that simply don't know fully Did people think through all the consequences of a vote to leave? Does anyone even know all the consequences of a vote to leave? Nah, it came down to slogans written on the side of a bus and xenophobic memes posted from Serbia on social media that went viral. My theory is that after all those years of being in the EU and giving endless amounts of money and not really getting much in return were as there foreign aid been towards uk crisis that we have had. When the opportunity arose to leave i don't think it was all pretty buses and social media it went depper. The fact we would have more money within the UK to build a better quality uk more opportunity for those from all walks of life and to establish a better control of people coming into this country there are books on ebbbey on how to settle here etc.. I also believe that once out there will be no magic fix it's like building a highriser business tower block piece by piece but each and every one of the uk people have skills that can make it happen The UK gross contribution, after application of the rebate, accounts for less than 2 per cent of public sector spends each year, and is equivalent to less than 1 per cent of the UK’s economic output. We gain far more than that in increased trade and the jobs and companies and taxes associated with that. I bought a book in Waterstone's on how to settle in Italy before I moved there for three years. Nice speech. What does it mean? Why can't we build the tower block now now from a position of strength and security? Is the EU "holding is back"? How? What short and medium term problems do you forsee? Who will it effect and for how long?" When you collect a large amount of money from within the UK how much of it is reallocated back to organisation firms town councils etc. But when the eu need money it's large amount like the 39 million just alone how much would that benefit the uk more. The eu are scared once there gravy train pulls in for good. They will be short on Money. Things might dip in the uk but with determination and people an others pulling together it will get better. You look at plans of the uk say 100yrs ago and how self made towns have appeared in named. Eastes that were not there are now.. And what speech by the way.. | |||
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"The Leave campaign was contemptuous of the border issue when it was raised in the referendum campaign. Again, they made impossible assertions. Major and Blair - the people on the British side who delivered the peace - went to NI several times to warn people what voting Leave meant for the Good Friday Agreement. Their arguments were dismissed. Now the chickens have come home to roost. Still the Leavers do not have any credible answer to the Good Friday Agreement. Until they come up with one, the backstop is a cornerstone of any agreement with the EU. The choice now is between the Good Friday Agreement - the withdrawal agreement - and a hard border in Ireland - the no-deal scenario. No-one in Leave had the answer to it in 2016 and no-one in Leave has the answer to it in 2019. Only rhetoric about taking back control of borders from the EU and stopping the free-flow of people across the border. Feel free to carry on and take back control of the British border in Ireland. You do know that deaths from terrorism in the UK are at a 50-year low? " . It's a strange one, as it is the fact remains that it's a UK border, every country in the world man's borders including the EU!. Some UK citizens aren't happy about that and threaten to blow up stuff and murder people and so we bend over and say we won't man that border, that's still not good enough for the UK born terrorists or the EU. Sadly I think the only resolution now is a referendum by the people of Northern Ireland on remaining in the UK. | |||
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" Do the public have full knowledge of the good Friday agreement or like myself only heard that e everything as stopped and no more uncertainty about the nasty people. I'm unable to say the word it's blocked in here. We can't there for have a creditable argument if leavers some who were young like myself and those that simply don't know fully Did people think through all the consequences of a vote to leave? Does anyone even know all the consequences of a vote to leave? Nah, it came down to slogans written on the side of a bus and xenophobic memes posted from Serbia on social media that went viral. My theory is that after all those years of being in the EU and giving endless amounts of money and not really getting much in return were as there foreign aid been towards uk crisis that we have had. When the opportunity arose to leave i don't think it was all pretty buses and social media it went depper. The fact we would have more money within the UK to build a better quality uk more opportunity for those from all walks of life and to establish a better control of people coming into this country there are books on ebbbey on how to settle here etc.. I also believe that once out there will be no magic fix it's like building a highriser business tower block piece by piece but each and every one of the uk people have skills that can make it happen The UK gross contribution, after application of the rebate, accounts for less than 2 per cent of public sector spends each year, and is equivalent to less than 1 per cent of the UK’s economic output. We gain far more than that in increased trade and the jobs and companies and taxes associated with that. I bought a book in Waterstone's on how to settle in Italy before I moved there for three years. Nice speech. What does it mean? Why can't we build the tower block now now from a position of strength and security? Is the EU "holding is back"? How? What short and medium term problems do you forsee? Who will it effect and for how long?" If you really want to stay in the EU that badly maybe dig out your old Waterstone's book and go back to Italy. | |||
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" Do the public have full knowledge of the good Friday agreement or like myself only heard that e everything as stopped and no more uncertainty about the nasty people. I'm unable to say the word it's blocked in here. We can't there for have a creditable argument if leavers some who were young like myself and those that simply don't know fully Did people think through all the consequences of a vote to leave? Does anyone even know all the consequences of a vote to leave? Nah, it came down to slogans written on the side of a bus and xenophobic memes posted from Serbia on social media that went viral. My theory is that after all those years of being in the EU and giving endless amounts of money and not really getting much in return were as there foreign aid been towards uk crisis that we have had. When the opportunity arose to leave i don't think it was all pretty buses and social media it went depper. The fact we would have more money within the UK to build a better quality uk more opportunity for those from all walks of life and to establish a better control of people coming into this country there are books on ebbbey on how to settle here etc.. I also believe that once out there will be no magic fix it's like building a highriser business tower block piece by piece but each and every one of the uk people have skills that can make it happen The UK gross contribution, after application of the rebate, accounts for less than 2 per cent of public sector spends each year, and is equivalent to less than 1 per cent of the UK’s economic output. We gain far more than that in increased trade and the jobs and companies and taxes associated with that. I bought a book in Waterstone's on how to settle in Italy before I moved there for three years. Nice speech. What does it mean? Why can't we build the tower block now now from a position of strength and security? Is the EU "holding is back"? How? What short and medium term problems do you forsee? Who will it effect and for how long? When you collect a large amount of money from within the UK how much of it is reallocated back to organisation firms town councils etc. But when the eu need money it's large amount like the 39 million just alone how much would that benefit the uk more. The eu are scared once there gravy train pulls in for good. They will be short on Money. Things might dip in the uk but with determination and people an others pulling together it will get better. You look at plans of the uk say 100yrs ago and how self made towns have appeared in named. Eastes that were not there are now.. And what speech by the way.. " Well researched, you do know the difference between a million and a billion? | |||
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" Do the public have full knowledge of the good Friday agreement or like myself only heard that e everything as stopped and no more uncertainty about the nasty people. I'm unable to say the word it's blocked in here. We can't there for have a creditable argument if leavers some who were young like myself and those that simply don't know fully Did people think through all the consequences of a vote to leave? Does anyone even know all the consequences of a vote to leave? Nah, it came down to slogans written on the side of a bus and xenophobic memes posted from Serbia on social media that went viral. My theory is that after all those years of being in the EU and giving endless amounts of money and not really getting much in return were as there foreign aid been towards uk crisis that we have had. When the opportunity arose to leave i don't think it was all pretty buses and social media it went depper. The fact we would have more money within the UK to build a better quality uk more opportunity for those from all walks of life and to establish a better control of people coming into this country there are books on ebbbey on how to settle here etc.. I also believe that once out there will be no magic fix it's like building a highriser business tower block piece by piece but each and every one of the uk people have skills that can make it happen The UK gross contribution, after application of the rebate, accounts for less than 2 per cent of public sector spends each year, and is equivalent to less than 1 per cent of the UK’s economic output. We gain far more than that in increased trade and the jobs and companies and taxes associated with that. I bought a book in Waterstone's on how to settle in Italy before I moved there for three years. Nice speech. What does it mean? Why can't we build the tower block now now from a position of strength and security? Is the EU "holding is back"? How? What short and medium term problems do you forsee? Who will it effect and for how long? If you really want to stay in the EU that badly maybe dig out your old Waterstone's book and go back to Italy. " I doubt they would have him back! Lol | |||
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" Do the public have full knowledge of the good Friday agreement or like myself only heard that e everything as stopped and no more uncertainty about the nasty people. I'm unable to say the word it's blocked in here. We can't there for have a creditable argument if leavers some who were young like myself and those that simply don't know fully Did people think through all the consequences of a vote to leave? Does anyone even know all the consequences of a vote to leave? Nah, it came down to slogans written on the side of a bus and xenophobic memes posted from Serbia on social media that went viral. My theory is that after all those years of being in the EU and giving endless amounts of money and not really getting much in return were as there foreign aid been towards uk crisis that we have had. When the opportunity arose to leave i don't think it was all pretty buses and social media it went depper. The fact we would have more money within the UK to build a better quality uk more opportunity for those from all walks of life and to establish a better control of people coming into this country there are books on ebbbey on how to settle here etc.. I also believe that once out there will be no magic fix it's like building a highriser business tower block piece by piece but each and every one of the uk people have skills that can make it happen The UK gross contribution, after application of the rebate, accounts for less than 2 per cent of public sector spends each year, and is equivalent to less than 1 per cent of the UK’s economic output. We gain far more than that in increased trade and the jobs and companies and taxes associated with that. I bought a book in Waterstone's on how to settle in Italy before I moved there for three years. Nice speech. What does it mean? Why can't we build the tower block now now from a position of strength and security? Is the EU "holding is back"? How? What short and medium term problems do you forsee? Who will it effect and for how long? When you collect a large amount of money from within the UK how much of it is reallocated back to organisation firms town councils etc. But when the eu need money it's large amount like the 39 million just alone how much would that benefit the uk more. The eu are scared once there gravy train pulls in for good. They will be short on Money. Things might dip in the uk but with determination and people an others pulling together it will get better. You look at plans of the uk say 100yrs ago and how self made towns have appeared in named. Eastes that were not there are now.. And what speech by the way.. Well researched, you do know the difference between a million and a billion? " I do know i can't stand productive text on my mobile phone however i find that you appear to scoff at anything you don't like. There's a cure for this just listen to other people point its not a debate in the sense what we say isn't going to currently solve this we are not the government but if we were all these points would actually help create something better | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. Could you please provide evidence that people outside the government have had meetings with Mr Barnier. I feel like that would be publicised It has been publicised, a quick look on google would confirm it for you. Blair met Barnier in County Wicklow, Ireland, in May 2017, at a meeting of the EPP (European Peoples Party) on Brexit. This was reported in the Belfast Telegraph, link is easy to find on google. The following link also shows many other meetings that remainers outside of government have been having with the EU to try to stop Brexit... www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/14/clegg-leads-pro-remain-grandees-on-diplomatic-mission-to-stop-brexit The Guardian report clearly makes reference to Blair and Barnier having a meeting on 18 July. " Fair play, though Blair and clegg are not in government. So I cannot see how they'll have much impact. It's fair simple, the Tory party thought May was the most competent, as all the brexiteer nominees were inexperienced or adolescent in their behaviour. The public then voted for her. And gave her ridgid and unpragmatic redlines a thumbs up to negotiate. As such we got a bad deal. And let's be blunt, most leavers recognise it's in our interest to have a deal, than no deal. Just not this deal | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. Could you please provide evidence that people outside the government have had meetings with Mr Barnier. I feel like that would be publicised It has been publicised, a quick look on google would confirm it for you. Blair met Barnier in County Wicklow, Ireland, in May 2017, at a meeting of the EPP (European Peoples Party) on Brexit. This was reported in the Belfast Telegraph, link is easy to find on google. The following link also shows many other meetings that remainers outside of government have been having with the EU to try to stop Brexit... www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/14/clegg-leads-pro-remain-grandees-on-diplomatic-mission-to-stop-brexit The Guardian report clearly makes reference to Blair and Barnier having a meeting on 18 July. Fair play, though Blair and clegg are not in government. So I cannot see how they'll have much impact. It's fair simple, the Tory party thought May was the most competent, as all the brexiteer nominees were inexperienced or adolescent in their behaviour. The public then voted for her. And gave her ridgid and unpragmatic redlines a thumbs up to negotiate. As such we got a bad deal. And let's be blunt, most leavers recognise it's in our interest to have a deal, than no deal. Just not this deal" Do most leavers recognise that? A recent poll of Conservative party members said over 60% of them preferred to leave with no deal. | |||
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" Do the public have full knowledge of the good Friday agreement or like myself only heard that e everything as stopped and no more uncertainty about the nasty people. I'm unable to say the word it's blocked in here. We can't there for have a creditable argument if leavers some who were young like myself and those that simply don't know fully Did people think through all the consequences of a vote to leave? Does anyone even know all the consequences of a vote to leave? Nah, it came down to slogans written on the side of a bus and xenophobic memes posted from Serbia on social media that went viral. My theory is that after all those years of being in the EU and giving endless amounts of money and not really getting much in return were as there foreign aid been towards uk crisis that we have had. When the opportunity arose to leave i don't think it was all pretty buses and social media it went depper. The fact we would have more money within the UK to build a better quality uk more opportunity for those from all walks of life and to establish a better control of people coming into this country there are books on ebbbey on how to settle here etc.. I also believe that once out there will be no magic fix it's like building a highriser business tower block piece by piece but each and every one of the uk people have skills that can make it happen The UK gross contribution, after application of the rebate, accounts for less than 2 per cent of public sector spends each year, and is equivalent to less than 1 per cent of the UK’s economic output. We gain far more than that in increased trade and the jobs and companies and taxes associated with that. I bought a book in Waterstone's on how to settle in Italy before I moved there for three years. Nice speech. What does it mean? Why can't we build the tower block now now from a position of strength and security? Is the EU "holding is back"? How? What short and medium term problems do you forsee? Who will it effect and for how long? When you collect a large amount of money from within the UK how much of it is reallocated back to organisation firms town councils etc. But when the eu need money it's large amount like the 39 million just alone how much would that benefit the uk more. The eu are scared once there gravy train pulls in for good. They will be short on Money. Things might dip in the uk but with determination and people an others pulling together it will get better. You look at plans of the uk say 100yrs ago and how self made towns have appeared in named. Eastes that were not there are now.. And what speech by the way.. " I don't think that you caught what I was saying. This isn't the arithmetic of what we pay them and they give us back. This billions upon billions of trade. More trade is more money. More trade is more jobs. More trade is more business. Together they bring far, far more money than that sent to the EU. All of that money is in the UK. Being spent. Being taxed. Ours to spend. Do you think that's untrue? Your speech was about building towers. Why not now? Why not pull together and build from a position of strength and stability? I'm still waiting for you to list what this "dip" entails. Euphemisms are fine. What does it mean for real people? | |||
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" Do the public have full knowledge of the good Friday agreement or like myself only heard that e everything as stopped and no more uncertainty about the nasty people. I'm unable to say the word it's blocked in here. We can't there for have a creditable argument if leavers some who were young like myself and those that simply don't know fully Did people think through all the consequences of a vote to leave? Does anyone even know all the consequences of a vote to leave? Nah, it came down to slogans written on the side of a bus and xenophobic memes posted from Serbia on social media that went viral. My theory is that after all those years of being in the EU and giving endless amounts of money and not really getting much in return were as there foreign aid been towards uk crisis that we have had. When the opportunity arose to leave i don't think it was all pretty buses and social media it went depper. The fact we would have more money within the UK to build a better quality uk more opportunity for those from all walks of life and to establish a better control of people coming into this country there are books on ebbbey on how to settle here etc.. I also believe that once out there will be no magic fix it's like building a highriser business tower block piece by piece but each and every one of the uk people have skills that can make it happen The UK gross contribution, after application of the rebate, accounts for less than 2 per cent of public sector spends each year, and is equivalent to less than 1 per cent of the UK’s economic output. We gain far more than that in increased trade and the jobs and companies and taxes associated with that. I bought a book in Waterstone's on how to settle in Italy before I moved there for three years. Nice speech. What does it mean? Why can't we build the tower block now now from a position of strength and security? Is the EU "holding is back"? How? What short and medium term problems do you forsee? Who will it effect and for how long? If you really want to stay in the EU that badly maybe dig out your old Waterstone's book and go back to Italy. " Excellent point 
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. Could you please provide evidence that people outside the government have had meetings with Mr Barnier. I feel like that would be publicised It has been publicised, a quick look on google would confirm it for you. Blair met Barnier in County Wicklow, Ireland, in May 2017, at a meeting of the EPP (European Peoples Party) on Brexit. This was reported in the Belfast Telegraph, link is easy to find on google. The following link also shows many other meetings that remainers outside of government have been having with the EU to try to stop Brexit... www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/14/clegg-leads-pro-remain-grandees-on-diplomatic-mission-to-stop-brexit The Guardian report clearly makes reference to Blair and Barnier having a meeting on 18 July. Fair play, though Blair and clegg are not in government. So I cannot see how they'll have much impact. It's fair simple, the Tory party thought May was the most competent, as all the brexiteer nominees were inexperienced or adolescent in their behaviour. The public then voted for her. And gave her ridgid and unpragmatic redlines a thumbs up to negotiate. As such we got a bad deal. And let's be blunt, most leavers recognise it's in our interest to have a deal, than no deal. Just not this deal Do most leavers recognise that? A recent poll of Conservative party members said over 60% of them preferred to leave with no deal. " Did you say the Conservative party? 124,000 members. Average age 72? I am aware | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. Could you please provide evidence that people outside the government have had meetings with Mr Barnier. I feel like that would be publicised It has been publicised, a quick look on google would confirm it for you. Blair met Barnier in County Wicklow, Ireland, in May 2017, at a meeting of the EPP (European Peoples Party) on Brexit. This was reported in the Belfast Telegraph, link is easy to find on google. The following link also shows many other meetings that remainers outside of government have been having with the EU to try to stop Brexit... www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/14/clegg-leads-pro-remain-grandees-on-diplomatic-mission-to-stop-brexit The Guardian report clearly makes reference to Blair and Barnier having a meeting on 18 July. Fair play, though Blair and clegg are not in government. So I cannot see how they'll have much impact. It's fair simple, the Tory party thought May was the most competent, as all the brexiteer nominees were inexperienced or adolescent in their behaviour. The public then voted for her. And gave her ridgid and unpragmatic redlines a thumbs up to negotiate. As such we got a bad deal. And let's be blunt, most leavers recognise it's in our interest to have a deal, than no deal. Just not this deal Do most leavers recognise that? A recent poll of Conservative party members said over 60% of them preferred to leave with no deal. " . Following on from my post earlier when I asked if those wishing to leave with no deal had wrote to their doctor offering to go to the back of the queue if there happens to be a shortage of tablets due to no-deal (no one on fab has yet said they have !!! ) I wonder how many of the 60% of Tory party members wanting a no deal have done so , bearing in mind the average age of Tory party members I would guess quite a few rely on medicines for a decent life | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. Could you please provide evidence that people outside the government have had meetings with Mr Barnier. I feel like that would be publicised It has been publicised, a quick look on google would confirm it for you. Blair met Barnier in County Wicklow, Ireland, in May 2017, at a meeting of the EPP (European Peoples Party) on Brexit. This was reported in the Belfast Telegraph, link is easy to find on google. The following link also shows many other meetings that remainers outside of government have been having with the EU to try to stop Brexit... www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/14/clegg-leads-pro-remain-grandees-on-diplomatic-mission-to-stop-brexit The Guardian report clearly makes reference to Blair and Barnier having a meeting on 18 July. Fair play, though Blair and clegg are not in government. So I cannot see how they'll have much impact. It's fair simple, the Tory party thought May was the most competent, as all the brexiteer nominees were inexperienced or adolescent in their behaviour. The public then voted for her. And gave her ridgid and unpragmatic redlines a thumbs up to negotiate. As such we got a bad deal. And let's be blunt, most leavers recognise it's in our interest to have a deal, than no deal. Just not this deal Do most leavers recognise that? A recent poll of Conservative party members said over 60% of them preferred to leave with no deal. " And how many members does the Tory party have. And didn't several UKIP brexiteers and Tory brexiteers urge people who wanted a hard brexit to join the party Just saying that distorts the numbers. | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. Could you please provide evidence that people outside the government have had meetings with Mr Barnier. I feel like that would be publicised It has been publicised, a quick look on google would confirm it for you. Blair met Barnier in County Wicklow, Ireland, in May 2017, at a meeting of the EPP (European Peoples Party) on Brexit. This was reported in the Belfast Telegraph, link is easy to find on google. The following link also shows many other meetings that remainers outside of government have been having with the EU to try to stop Brexit... www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/14/clegg-leads-pro-remain-grandees-on-diplomatic-mission-to-stop-brexit The Guardian report clearly makes reference to Blair and Barnier having a meeting on 18 July. Fair play, though Blair and clegg are not in government. So I cannot see how they'll have much impact. It's fair simple, the Tory party thought May was the most competent, as all the brexiteer nominees were inexperienced or adolescent in their behaviour. The public then voted for her. And gave her ridgid and unpragmatic redlines a thumbs up to negotiate. As such we got a bad deal. And let's be blunt, most leavers recognise it's in our interest to have a deal, than no deal. Just not this deal Do most leavers recognise that? A recent poll of Conservative party members said over 60% of them preferred to leave with no deal. " Still quoting just the polling on the conservative members then, not the results of the electorate polling in the same report. | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. Could you please provide evidence that people outside the government have had meetings with Mr Barnier. I feel like that would be publicised It has been publicised, a quick look on google would confirm it for you. Blair met Barnier in County Wicklow, Ireland, in May 2017, at a meeting of the EPP (European Peoples Party) on Brexit. This was reported in the Belfast Telegraph, link is easy to find on google. The following link also shows many other meetings that remainers outside of government have been having with the EU to try to stop Brexit... www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/14/clegg-leads-pro-remain-grandees-on-diplomatic-mission-to-stop-brexit The Guardian report clearly makes reference to Blair and Barnier having a meeting on 18 July. Fair play, though Blair and clegg are not in government. So I cannot see how they'll have much impact. It's fair simple, the Tory party thought May was the most competent, as all the brexiteer nominees were inexperienced or adolescent in their behaviour. The public then voted for her. And gave her ridgid and unpragmatic redlines a thumbs up to negotiate. As such we got a bad deal. And let's be blunt, most leavers recognise it's in our interest to have a deal, than no deal. Just not this deal Do most leavers recognise that? A recent poll of Conservative party members said over 60% of them preferred to leave with no deal. Did you say the Conservative party? 124,000 members. Average age 72? I am aware ". What an ageist you are!!. Is there anybody else you dislike?, young, male, white?. I'm guessing white from your previous posts?. | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. Could you please provide evidence that people outside the government have had meetings with Mr Barnier. I feel like that would be publicised It has been publicised, a quick look on google would confirm it for you. Blair met Barnier in County Wicklow, Ireland, in May 2017, at a meeting of the EPP (European Peoples Party) on Brexit. This was reported in the Belfast Telegraph, link is easy to find on google. The following link also shows many other meetings that remainers outside of government have been having with the EU to try to stop Brexit... www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/14/clegg-leads-pro-remain-grandees-on-diplomatic-mission-to-stop-brexit The Guardian report clearly makes reference to Blair and Barnier having a meeting on 18 July. Fair play, though Blair and clegg are not in government. So I cannot see how they'll have much impact. It's fair simple, the Tory party thought May was the most competent, as all the brexiteer nominees were inexperienced or adolescent in their behaviour. The public then voted for her. And gave her ridgid and unpragmatic redlines a thumbs up to negotiate. As such we got a bad deal. And let's be blunt, most leavers recognise it's in our interest to have a deal, than no deal. Just not this deal Do most leavers recognise that? A recent poll of Conservative party members said over 60% of them preferred to leave with no deal. Did you say the Conservative party? 124,000 members. Average age 72? I am aware .
What an ageist you are!!.
Is there anybody else you dislike?, young, male, white?.
I'm guessing white from your previous posts?."What an odd comment. One to add to a long series made in other threads, but this has its own unique spin
I have to admit to being hesitant to engage with you on anything having had experience of how easily you spin out of control with your rants. I look forward to some pseudo-intellectual arguments to justify whatever you wrote next although this time you seem to have just pitched straight into abuse
You will have to try and explain how I have discriminated against old people in some way or how I have given any indication that I dislike them.
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" Sadly I think the only resolution now is a referendum by the people of Northern Ireland on remaining in the UK." Since the whole stumbling block to the withdrawal agreement appears to be the backstop, I'd like to see a referendum in Northern Ireland on the agreement. If they are happy to be tied into the single market with the Republic in the event the UK and EU cannot agree a trade deal, then the rest of the UK should just accept it. The DUP does not speak for the majority in Northern Ireland. The majority voted to Remain. | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. Could you please provide evidence that people outside the government have had meetings with Mr Barnier. I feel like that would be publicised It has been publicised, a quick look on google would confirm it for you. Blair met Barnier in County Wicklow, Ireland, in May 2017, at a meeting of the EPP (European Peoples Party) on Brexit. This was reported in the Belfast Telegraph, link is easy to find on google. The following link also shows many other meetings that remainers outside of government have been having with the EU to try to stop Brexit... www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/14/clegg-leads-pro-remain-grandees-on-diplomatic-mission-to-stop-brexit The Guardian report clearly makes reference to Blair and Barnier having a meeting on 18 July. Fair play, though Blair and clegg are not in government. So I cannot see how they'll have much impact. It's fair simple, the Tory party thought May was the most competent, as all the brexiteer nominees were inexperienced or adolescent in their behaviour. The public then voted for her. And gave her ridgid and unpragmatic redlines a thumbs up to negotiate. As such we got a bad deal. And let's be blunt, most leavers recognise it's in our interest to have a deal, than no deal. Just not this deal Do most leavers recognise that? A recent poll of Conservative party members said over 60% of them preferred to leave with no deal. Did you say the Conservative party? 124,000 members. Average age 72? I am aware .
What an ageist you are!!.
Is there anybody else you dislike?, young, male, white?.
I'm guessing white from your previous posts?.
What an odd comment. One to add to a long series made in other threads, but this has its own unique spin
I have to admit to being hesitant to engage with you on anything having had experience of how easily you spin out of control with your rants. I look forward to some pseudo-intellectual arguments to justify whatever you wrote next although this time you seem to have just pitched straight into abuse
You will have to try and explain how I have discriminated against old people in some way or how I have given any indication that I dislike them.
What bizzare conclusions to draw "You often call people odd or bizarre if they disagree with you so your reaction there is not unusual, pretty bog standard response from you to be honest. It's not odd or bizarre to disagree with someone, in fact disagreeing with others is very common. Given your comments on your other thread titled 'Brexit crossover day', where you appear to delight in Brexit voters and leave supporters dying off from old age, coupled with your comments on this thread it's fair and reasonable to say you are ageist or have an ageist attitude to this particular subject of Brexit. I'd go even further in saying you are bigoted towards old people and your bigotry towards them is plain to see. | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. Could you please provide evidence that people outside the government have had meetings with Mr Barnier. I feel like that would be publicised It has been publicised, a quick look on google would confirm it for you. Blair met Barnier in County Wicklow, Ireland, in May 2017, at a meeting of the EPP (European Peoples Party) on Brexit. This was reported in the Belfast Telegraph, link is easy to find on google. The following link also shows many other meetings that remainers outside of government have been having with the EU to try to stop Brexit... www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/14/clegg-leads-pro-remain-grandees-on-diplomatic-mission-to-stop-brexit The Guardian report clearly makes reference to Blair and Barnier having a meeting on 18 July. Fair play, though Blair and clegg are not in government. So I cannot see how they'll have much impact. It's fair simple, the Tory party thought May was the most competent, as all the brexiteer nominees were inexperienced or adolescent in their behaviour. The public then voted for her. And gave her ridgid and unpragmatic redlines a thumbs up to negotiate. As such we got a bad deal. And let's be blunt, most leavers recognise it's in our interest to have a deal, than no deal. Just not this deal Do most leavers recognise that? A recent poll of Conservative party members said over 60% of them preferred to leave with no deal. Did you say the Conservative party? 124,000 members. Average age 72? I am aware .
What an ageist you are!!.
Is there anybody else you dislike?, young, male, white?.
I'm guessing white from your previous posts?.
What an odd comment. One to add to a long series made in other threads, but this has its own unique spin
I have to admit to being hesitant to engage with you on anything having had experience of how easily you spin out of control with your rants. I look forward to some pseudo-intellectual arguments to justify whatever you wrote next although this time you seem to have just pitched straight into abuse
You will have to try and explain how I have discriminated against old people in some way or how I have given any indication that I dislike them.
What bizzare conclusions to draw
You often call people odd or bizarre if they disagree with you so your reaction there is not unusual, pretty bog standard response from you to be honest. It's not odd or bizarre to disagree with someone, in fact disagreeing with others is very common. Given your comments on your other thread titled 'Brexit crossover day', where you appear to delight in Brexit voters and leave supporters dying off from old age, coupled with your comments on this thread it's fair and reasonable to say you are ageist or have an ageist attitude to this particular subject of Brexit. I'd go even further in saying you are bigoted towards old people and your bigotry towards them is plain to see. "I concur with all that he definitely doesn't like people having different opinions to him! | |||
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" Do the public have full knowledge of the good Friday agreement or like myself only heard that e everything as stopped and no more uncertainty about the nasty people. I'm unable to say the word it's blocked in here. We can't there for have a creditable argument if leavers some who were young like myself and those that simply don't know fully Did people think through all the consequences of a vote to leave? Does anyone even know all the consequences of a vote to leave? Nah, it came down to slogans written on the side of a bus and xenophobic memes posted from Serbia on social media that went viral. My theory is that after all those years of being in the EU and giving endless amounts of money and not really getting much in return were as there foreign aid been towards uk crisis that we have had. When the opportunity arose to leave i don't think it was all pretty buses and social media it went depper. The fact we would have more money within the UK to build a better quality uk more opportunity for those from all walks of life and to establish a better control of people coming into this country there are books on ebbbey on how to settle here etc.. I also believe that once out there will be no magic fix it's like building a highriser business tower block piece by piece but each and every one of the uk people have skills that can make it happen The UK gross contribution, after application of the rebate, accounts for less than 2 per cent of public sector spends each year, and is equivalent to less than 1 per cent of the UK’s economic output. We gain far more than that in increased trade and the jobs and companies and taxes associated with that. I bought a book in Waterstone's on how to settle in Italy before I moved there for three years. Nice speech. What does it mean? Why can't we build the tower block now now from a position of strength and security? Is the EU "holding is back"? How? What short and medium term problems do you forsee? Who will it effect and for how long? When you collect a large amount of money from within the UK how much of it is reallocated back to organisation firms town councils etc. But when the eu need money it's large amount like the 39 million just alone how much would that benefit the uk more. The eu are scared once there gravy train pulls in for good. They will be short on Money. Things might dip in the uk but with determination and people an others pulling together it will get better. You look at plans of the uk say 100yrs ago and how self made towns have appeared in named. Eastes that were not there are now.. And what speech by the way.. I don't think that you caught what I was saying. This isn't the arithmetic of what we pay them and they give us back. This billions upon billions of trade. More trade is more money. More trade is more jobs. More trade is more business. Together they bring far, far more money than that sent to the EU. All of that money is in the UK. Being spent. Being taxed. Ours to spend. Do you think that's untrue? Your speech was about building towers. Why not now? Why not pull together and build from a position of strength and stability? I'm still waiting for you to list what this "dip" entails. Euphemisms are fine. What does it mean for real people?" You do realize we import far more from the eu than export that is a fact so who benifits most? Yes they can find other markets for their goods but so can we simple really. | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. Could you please provide evidence that people outside the government have had meetings with Mr Barnier. I feel like that would be publicised It has been publicised, a quick look on google would confirm it for you. Blair met Barnier in County Wicklow, Ireland, in May 2017, at a meeting of the EPP (European Peoples Party) on Brexit. This was reported in the Belfast Telegraph, link is easy to find on google. The following link also shows many other meetings that remainers outside of government have been having with the EU to try to stop Brexit... www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/14/clegg-leads-pro-remain-grandees-on-diplomatic-mission-to-stop-brexit The Guardian report clearly makes reference to Blair and Barnier having a meeting on 18 July. Fair play, though Blair and clegg are not in government. So I cannot see how they'll have much impact. It's fair simple, the Tory party thought May was the most competent, as all the brexiteer nominees were inexperienced or adolescent in their behaviour. The public then voted for her. And gave her ridgid and unpragmatic redlines a thumbs up to negotiate. As such we got a bad deal. And let's be blunt, most leavers recognise it's in our interest to have a deal, than no deal. Just not this deal Do most leavers recognise that? A recent poll of Conservative party members said over 60% of them preferred to leave with no deal. Did you say the Conservative party? 124,000 members. Average age 72? I am aware .
What an ageist you are!!.
Is there anybody else you dislike?, young, male, white?.
I'm guessing white from your previous posts?.
What an odd comment. One to add to a long series made in other threads, but this has its own unique spin
I have to admit to being hesitant to engage with you on anything having had experience of how easily you spin out of control with your rants. I look forward to some pseudo-intellectual arguments to justify whatever you wrote next although this time you seem to have just pitched straight into abuse
You will have to try and explain how I have discriminated against old people in some way or how I have given any indication that I dislike them.
What bizzare conclusions to draw
You often call people odd or bizarre if they disagree with you so your reaction there is not unusual, pretty bog standard response from you to be honest. It's not odd or bizarre to disagree with someone, in fact disagreeing with others is very common. Given your comments on your other thread titled 'Brexit crossover day', where you appear to delight in Brexit voters and leave supporters dying off from old age, coupled with your comments on this thread it's fair and reasonable to say you are ageist or have an ageist attitude to this particular subject of Brexit. I'd go even further in saying you are bigoted towards old people and your bigotry towards them is plain to see. "I call people odd when they behave oddly. When they make illogical comments. Little attempt at demonisation there? Too much time reading paranoid emotive headlines in your online information bubble?
I am not "delighting" in anyone's death. I am stating a demographic reality. People tend to die as they get older. Older people were more likely to vote leave.
Is this fake news or another thing that Brexit will miraculously solve?
What I found amusing is that you claim that the poll of Conservative party membership opinion of Brexit is pertinent to the country as a whole considering who they are...unless of course you think that this self selecting group should have a bigger say in government policy than Parliament.
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. Could you please provide evidence that people outside the government have had meetings with Mr Barnier. I feel like that would be publicised It has been publicised, a quick look on google would confirm it for you. Blair met Barnier in County Wicklow, Ireland, in May 2017, at a meeting of the EPP (European Peoples Party) on Brexit. This was reported in the Belfast Telegraph, link is easy to find on google. The following link also shows many other meetings that remainers outside of government have been having with the EU to try to stop Brexit... www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/14/clegg-leads-pro-remain-grandees-on-diplomatic-mission-to-stop-brexit The Guardian report clearly makes reference to Blair and Barnier having a meeting on 18 July. Fair play, though Blair and clegg are not in government. So I cannot see how they'll have much impact. It's fair simple, the Tory party thought May was the most competent, as all the brexiteer nominees were inexperienced or adolescent in their behaviour. The public then voted for her. And gave her ridgid and unpragmatic redlines a thumbs up to negotiate. As such we got a bad deal. And let's be blunt, most leavers recognise it's in our interest to have a deal, than no deal. Just not this deal Do most leavers recognise that? A recent poll of Conservative party members said over 60% of them preferred to leave with no deal. Did you say the Conservative party? 124,000 members. Average age 72? I am aware .
What an ageist you are!!.
Is there anybody else you dislike?, young, male, white?.
I'm guessing white from your previous posts?.
What an odd comment. One to add to a long series made in other threads, but this has its own unique spin
I have to admit to being hesitant to engage with you on anything having had experience of how easily you spin out of control with your rants. I look forward to some pseudo-intellectual arguments to justify whatever you wrote next although this time you seem to have just pitched straight into abuse
You will have to try and explain how I have discriminated against old people in some way or how I have given any indication that I dislike them.
What bizzare conclusions to draw
You often call people odd or bizarre if they disagree with you so your reaction there is not unusual, pretty bog standard response from you to be honest. It's not odd or bizarre to disagree with someone, in fact disagreeing with others is very common. Given your comments on your other thread titled 'Brexit crossover day', where you appear to delight in Brexit voters and leave supporters dying off from old age, coupled with your comments on this thread it's fair and reasonable to say you are ageist or have an ageist attitude to this particular subject of Brexit. I'd go even further in saying you are bigoted towards old people and your bigotry towards them is plain to see.
I call people odd when they behave oddly. When they make illogical comments.
Little attempt at demonisation there? Too much time reading paranoid emotive headlines in your online information bubble?
I am not "delighting" in anyone's death. I am stating a demographic reality. People tend to die as they get older. Older people were more likely to vote leave.
Is this fake news or another thing that Brexit will miraculously solve?
What I found amusing is that you claim that the poll of Conservative party membership opinion of Brexit is pertinent to the country as a whole considering who they are...unless of course you think that this self selecting group should have a bigger say in government policy than Parliament.
Now, try and respond to the actual questions rather than shouting incoherently at imagined offence."Where did I shout? Were any exclamation marks or capital letters used to emphasise shouting? Yet again you display your lack of understanding of the English language. This is a common occurrence with you. Try to respond coherently without imagined visions of others shouting. | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. Could you please provide evidence that people outside the government have had meetings with Mr Barnier. I feel like that would be publicised It has been publicised, a quick look on google would confirm it for you. Blair met Barnier in County Wicklow, Ireland, in May 2017, at a meeting of the EPP (European Peoples Party) on Brexit. This was reported in the Belfast Telegraph, link is easy to find on google. The following link also shows many other meetings that remainers outside of government have been having with the EU to try to stop Brexit... www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/14/clegg-leads-pro-remain-grandees-on-diplomatic-mission-to-stop-brexit The Guardian report clearly makes reference to Blair and Barnier having a meeting on 18 July. Fair play, though Blair and clegg are not in government. So I cannot see how they'll have much impact. It's fair simple, the Tory party thought May was the most competent, as all the brexiteer nominees were inexperienced or adolescent in their behaviour. The public then voted for her. And gave her ridgid and unpragmatic redlines a thumbs up to negotiate. As such we got a bad deal. And let's be blunt, most leavers recognise it's in our interest to have a deal, than no deal. Just not this deal Do most leavers recognise that? A recent poll of Conservative party members said over 60% of them preferred to leave with no deal. Did you say the Conservative party? 124,000 members. Average age 72? I am aware .
What an ageist you are!!.
Is there anybody else you dislike?, young, male, white?.
I'm guessing white from your previous posts?.
What an odd comment. One to add to a long series made in other threads, but this has its own unique spin
I have to admit to being hesitant to engage with you on anything having had experience of how easily you spin out of control with your rants. I look forward to some pseudo-intellectual arguments to justify whatever you wrote next although this time you seem to have just pitched straight into abuse
You will have to try and explain how I have discriminated against old people in some way or how I have given any indication that I dislike them.
What bizzare conclusions to draw
You often call people odd or bizarre if they disagree with you so your reaction there is not unusual, pretty bog standard response from you to be honest. It's not odd or bizarre to disagree with someone, in fact disagreeing with others is very common. Given your comments on your other thread titled 'Brexit crossover day', where you appear to delight in Brexit voters and leave supporters dying off from old age, coupled with your comments on this thread it's fair and reasonable to say you are ageist or have an ageist attitude to this particular subject of Brexit. I'd go even further in saying you are bigoted towards old people and your bigotry towards them is plain to see.
I call people odd when they behave oddly. When they make illogical comments.
Little attempt at demonisation there? Too much time reading paranoid emotive headlines in your online information bubble?
I am not "delighting" in anyone's death. I am stating a demographic reality. People tend to die as they get older. Older people were more likely to vote leave.
Is this fake news or another thing that Brexit will miraculously solve?
What I found amusing is that you claim that the poll of Conservative party membership opinion of Brexit is pertinent to the country as a whole considering who they are...unless of course you think that this self selecting group should have a bigger say in government policy than Parliament.
Now, try and respond to the actual questions rather than shouting incoherently at imagined offence.
Where did I shout? Were any exclamation marks or capital letters used to emphasise shouting? Yet again you display your lack of understanding of the English language. This is a common occurrence with you. Try to respond coherently without imagined visions of others shouting. "LOL you have definitely upset him now! | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. Could you please provide evidence that people outside the government have had meetings with Mr Barnier. I feel like that would be publicised It has been publicised, a quick look on google would confirm it for you. Blair met Barnier in County Wicklow, Ireland, in May 2017, at a meeting of the EPP (European Peoples Party) on Brexit. This was reported in the Belfast Telegraph, link is easy to find on google. The following link also shows many other meetings that remainers outside of government have been having with the EU to try to stop Brexit... www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/14/clegg-leads-pro-remain-grandees-on-diplomatic-mission-to-stop-brexit The Guardian report clearly makes reference to Blair and Barnier having a meeting on 18 July. Fair play, though Blair and clegg are not in government. So I cannot see how they'll have much impact. It's fair simple, the Tory party thought May was the most competent, as all the brexiteer nominees were inexperienced or adolescent in their behaviour. The public then voted for her. And gave her ridgid and unpragmatic redlines a thumbs up to negotiate. As such we got a bad deal. And let's be blunt, most leavers recognise it's in our interest to have a deal, than no deal. Just not this deal Do most leavers recognise that? A recent poll of Conservative party members said over 60% of them preferred to leave with no deal. Did you say the Conservative party? 124,000 members. Average age 72? I am aware .
What an ageist you are!!.
Is there anybody else you dislike?, young, male, white?.
I'm guessing white from your previous posts?.
What an odd comment. One to add to a long series made in other threads, but this has its own unique spin
I have to admit to being hesitant to engage with you on anything having had experience of how easily you spin out of control with your rants. I look forward to some pseudo-intellectual arguments to justify whatever you wrote next although this time you seem to have just pitched straight into abuse
You will have to try and explain how I have discriminated against old people in some way or how I have given any indication that I dislike them.
What bizzare conclusions to draw
You often call people odd or bizarre if they disagree with you so your reaction there is not unusual, pretty bog standard response from you to be honest. It's not odd or bizarre to disagree with someone, in fact disagreeing with others is very common. Given your comments on your other thread titled 'Brexit crossover day', where you appear to delight in Brexit voters and leave supporters dying off from old age, coupled with your comments on this thread it's fair and reasonable to say you are ageist or have an ageist attitude to this particular subject of Brexit. I'd go even further in saying you are bigoted towards old people and your bigotry towards them is plain to see.
I call people odd when they behave oddly. When they make illogical comments.
Little attempt at demonisation there? Too much time reading paranoid emotive headlines in your online information bubble?
I am not "delighting" in anyone's death. I am stating a demographic reality. People tend to die as they get older. Older people were more likely to vote leave.
Is this fake news or another thing that Brexit will miraculously solve?
What I found amusing is that you claim that the poll of Conservative party membership opinion of Brexit is pertinent to the country as a whole considering who they are...unless of course you think that this self selecting group should have a bigger say in government policy than Parliament.
Now, try and respond to the actual questions rather than shouting incoherently at imagined offence.
Where did I shout? Were any exclamation marks or capital letters used to emphasise shouting? Yet again you display your lack of understanding of the English language. This is a common occurrence with you. Try to respond coherently without imagined visions of others shouting. "Once again not addressing an issue probably because you can't. We'll all remember to use caps lock if we want to shout. | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. Could you please provide evidence that people outside the government have had meetings with Mr Barnier. I feel like that would be publicised It has been publicised, a quick look on google would confirm it for you. Blair met Barnier in County Wicklow, Ireland, in May 2017, at a meeting of the EPP (European Peoples Party) on Brexit. This was reported in the Belfast Telegraph, link is easy to find on google. The following link also shows many other meetings that remainers outside of government have been having with the EU to try to stop Brexit... www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/14/clegg-leads-pro-remain-grandees-on-diplomatic-mission-to-stop-brexit The Guardian report clearly makes reference to Blair and Barnier having a meeting on 18 July. Fair play, though Blair and clegg are not in government. So I cannot see how they'll have much impact. It's fair simple, the Tory party thought May was the most competent, as all the brexiteer nominees were inexperienced or adolescent in their behaviour. The public then voted for her. And gave her ridgid and unpragmatic redlines a thumbs up to negotiate. As such we got a bad deal. And let's be blunt, most leavers recognise it's in our interest to have a deal, than no deal. Just not this deal Do most leavers recognise that? A recent poll of Conservative party members said over 60% of them preferred to leave with no deal. Did you say the Conservative party? 124,000 members. Average age 72? I am aware .
What an ageist you are!!.
Is there anybody else you dislike?, young, male, white?.
I'm guessing white from your previous posts?.
What an odd comment. One to add to a long series made in other threads, but this has its own unique spin
I have to admit to being hesitant to engage with you on anything having had experience of how easily you spin out of control with your rants. I look forward to some pseudo-intellectual arguments to justify whatever you wrote next although this time you seem to have just pitched straight into abuse
You will have to try and explain how I have discriminated against old people in some way or how I have given any indication that I dislike them.
What bizzare conclusions to draw
You often call people odd or bizarre if they disagree with you so your reaction there is not unusual, pretty bog standard response from you to be honest. It's not odd or bizarre to disagree with someone, in fact disagreeing with others is very common. Given your comments on your other thread titled 'Brexit crossover day', where you appear to delight in Brexit voters and leave supporters dying off from old age, coupled with your comments on this thread it's fair and reasonable to say you are ageist or have an ageist attitude to this particular subject of Brexit. I'd go even further in saying you are bigoted towards old people and your bigotry towards them is plain to see.
I call people odd when they behave oddly. When they make illogical comments.
Little attempt at demonisation there? Too much time reading paranoid emotive headlines in your online information bubble?
I am not "delighting" in anyone's death. I am stating a demographic reality. People tend to die as they get older. Older people were more likely to vote leave.
Is this fake news or another thing that Brexit will miraculously solve?
What I found amusing is that you claim that the poll of Conservative party membership opinion of Brexit is pertinent to the country as a whole considering who they are...unless of course you think that this self selecting group should have a bigger say in government policy than Parliament.
Now, try and respond to the actual questions rather than shouting incoherently at imagined offence.
Where did I shout? Were any exclamation marks or capital letters used to emphasise shouting? Yet again you display your lack of understanding of the English language. This is a common occurrence with you. Try to respond coherently without imagined visions of others shouting. "Found a micro-victory to aim for rather than addressing the point that this time you even raised yourself? Some patterns of behaviour are very set aren't they? | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. Could you please provide evidence that people outside the government have had meetings with Mr Barnier. I feel like that would be publicised It has been publicised, a quick look on google would confirm it for you. Blair met Barnier in County Wicklow, Ireland, in May 2017, at a meeting of the EPP (European Peoples Party) on Brexit. This was reported in the Belfast Telegraph, link is easy to find on google. The following link also shows many other meetings that remainers outside of government have been having with the EU to try to stop Brexit... www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/14/clegg-leads-pro-remain-grandees-on-diplomatic-mission-to-stop-brexit The Guardian report clearly makes reference to Blair and Barnier having a meeting on 18 July. Fair play, though Blair and clegg are not in government. So I cannot see how they'll have much impact. It's fair simple, the Tory party thought May was the most competent, as all the brexiteer nominees were inexperienced or adolescent in their behaviour. The public then voted for her. And gave her ridgid and unpragmatic redlines a thumbs up to negotiate. As such we got a bad deal. And let's be blunt, most leavers recognise it's in our interest to have a deal, than no deal. Just not this deal Do most leavers recognise that? A recent poll of Conservative party members said over 60% of them preferred to leave with no deal. Did you say the Conservative party? 124,000 members. Average age 72? I am aware .
What an ageist you are!!.
Is there anybody else you dislike?, young, male, white?.
I'm guessing white from your previous posts?.
What an odd comment. One to add to a long series made in other threads, but this has its own unique spin
I have to admit to being hesitant to engage with you on anything having had experience of how easily you spin out of control with your rants. I look forward to some pseudo-intellectual arguments to justify whatever you wrote next although this time you seem to have just pitched straight into abuse
You will have to try and explain how I have discriminated against old people in some way or how I have given any indication that I dislike them.
What bizzare conclusions to draw
You often call people odd or bizarre if they disagree with you so your reaction there is not unusual, pretty bog standard response from you to be honest. It's not odd or bizarre to disagree with someone, in fact disagreeing with others is very common. Given your comments on your other thread titled 'Brexit crossover day', where you appear to delight in Brexit voters and leave supporters dying off from old age, coupled with your comments on this thread it's fair and reasonable to say you are ageist or have an ageist attitude to this particular subject of Brexit. I'd go even further in saying you are bigoted towards old people and your bigotry towards them is plain to see.
I call people odd when they behave oddly. When they make illogical comments.
Little attempt at demonisation there? Too much time reading paranoid emotive headlines in your online information bubble?
I am not "delighting" in anyone's death. I am stating a demographic reality. People tend to die as they get older. Older people were more likely to vote leave.
Is this fake news or another thing that Brexit will miraculously solve?
What I found amusing is that you claim that the poll of Conservative party membership opinion of Brexit is pertinent to the country as a whole considering who they are...unless of course you think that this self selecting group should have a bigger say in government policy than Parliament.
Now, try and respond to the actual questions rather than shouting incoherently at imagined offence.
Where did I shout? Were any exclamation marks or capital letters used to emphasise shouting? Yet again you display your lack of understanding of the English language. This is a common occurrence with you. Try to respond coherently without imagined visions of others shouting.
Found a micro-victory to aim for rather than addressing the point that this time you even raised yourself? Some patterns of behaviour are very set aren't they? "Some repeated patterns of behaviour are very set, like your repeated pattern of behaviour of calling people odd if they disagree with you and your repeated pattern of behaviour of imagining others shouting when they haven't. | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. Could you please provide evidence that people outside the government have had meetings with Mr Barnier. I feel like that would be publicised It has been publicised, a quick look on google would confirm it for you. Blair met Barnier in County Wicklow, Ireland, in May 2017, at a meeting of the EPP (European Peoples Party) on Brexit. This was reported in the Belfast Telegraph, link is easy to find on google. The following link also shows many other meetings that remainers outside of government have been having with the EU to try to stop Brexit... www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/14/clegg-leads-pro-remain-grandees-on-diplomatic-mission-to-stop-brexit The Guardian report clearly makes reference to Blair and Barnier having a meeting on 18 July. Fair play, though Blair and clegg are not in government. So I cannot see how they'll have much impact. It's fair simple, the Tory party thought May was the most competent, as all the brexiteer nominees were inexperienced or adolescent in their behaviour. The public then voted for her. And gave her ridgid and unpragmatic redlines a thumbs up to negotiate. As such we got a bad deal. And let's be blunt, most leavers recognise it's in our interest to have a deal, than no deal. Just not this deal Do most leavers recognise that? A recent poll of Conservative party members said over 60% of them preferred to leave with no deal. Did you say the Conservative party? 124,000 members. Average age 72? I am aware .
What an ageist you are!!.
Is there anybody else you dislike?, young, male, white?.
I'm guessing white from your previous posts?.
What an odd comment. One to add to a long series made in other threads, but this has its own unique spin
I have to admit to being hesitant to engage with you on anything having had experience of how easily you spin out of control with your rants. I look forward to some pseudo-intellectual arguments to justify whatever you wrote next although this time you seem to have just pitched straight into abuse
You will have to try and explain how I have discriminated against old people in some way or how I have given any indication that I dislike them.
What bizzare conclusions to draw
You often call people odd or bizarre if they disagree with you so your reaction there is not unusual, pretty bog standard response from you to be honest. It's not odd or bizarre to disagree with someone, in fact disagreeing with others is very common. Given your comments on your other thread titled 'Brexit crossover day', where you appear to delight in Brexit voters and leave supporters dying off from old age, coupled with your comments on this thread it's fair and reasonable to say you are ageist or have an ageist attitude to this particular subject of Brexit. I'd go even further in saying you are bigoted towards old people and your bigotry towards them is plain to see.
I call people odd when they behave oddly. When they make illogical comments.
Little attempt at demonisation there? Too much time reading paranoid emotive headlines in your online information bubble?
I am not "delighting" in anyone's death. I am stating a demographic reality. People tend to die as they get older. Older people were more likely to vote leave.
Is this fake news or another thing that Brexit will miraculously solve?
What I found amusing is that you claim that the poll of Conservative party membership opinion of Brexit is pertinent to the country as a whole considering who they are...unless of course you think that this self selecting group should have a bigger say in government policy than Parliament.
Now, try and respond to the actual questions rather than shouting incoherently at imagined offence.
Where did I shout? Were any exclamation marks or capital letters used to emphasise shouting? Yet again you display your lack of understanding of the English language. This is a common occurrence with you. Try to respond coherently without imagined visions of others shouting.
Once again not addressing an issue probably because you can't. We'll all remember to use caps lock if we want to shout. "I didn't use caps lock though, I didn't use any exclamation marks either. Easyuk appears to either be hallucinating and seeing things which aren't there or he's falsely imagining shouting in his head when the written word doesn't show any indication of shouting. For someone like you who is usually very pedantic about spelling I'm surprised you didn't notice it. | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. Could you please provide evidence that people outside the government have had meetings with Mr Barnier. I feel like that would be publicised It has been publicised, a quick look on google would confirm it for you. Blair met Barnier in County Wicklow, Ireland, in May 2017, at a meeting of the EPP (European Peoples Party) on Brexit. This was reported in the Belfast Telegraph, link is easy to find on google. The following link also shows many other meetings that remainers outside of government have been having with the EU to try to stop Brexit... www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/14/clegg-leads-pro-remain-grandees-on-diplomatic-mission-to-stop-brexit The Guardian report clearly makes reference to Blair and Barnier having a meeting on 18 July. Fair play, though Blair and clegg are not in government. So I cannot see how they'll have much impact. It's fair simple, the Tory party thought May was the most competent, as all the brexiteer nominees were inexperienced or adolescent in their behaviour. The public then voted for her. And gave her ridgid and unpragmatic redlines a thumbs up to negotiate. As such we got a bad deal. And let's be blunt, most leavers recognise it's in our interest to have a deal, than no deal. Just not this deal Do most leavers recognise that? A recent poll of Conservative party members said over 60% of them preferred to leave with no deal. Did you say the Conservative party? 124,000 members. Average age 72? I am aware .
What an ageist you are!!.
Is there anybody else you dislike?, young, male, white?.
I'm guessing white from your previous posts?.
What an odd comment. One to add to a long series made in other threads, but this has its own unique spin
I have to admit to being hesitant to engage with you on anything having had experience of how easily you spin out of control with your rants. I look forward to some pseudo-intellectual arguments to justify whatever you wrote next although this time you seem to have just pitched straight into abuse
You will have to try and explain how I have discriminated against old people in some way or how I have given any indication that I dislike them.
What bizzare conclusions to draw
You often call people odd or bizarre if they disagree with you so your reaction there is not unusual, pretty bog standard response from you to be honest. It's not odd or bizarre to disagree with someone, in fact disagreeing with others is very common. Given your comments on your other thread titled 'Brexit crossover day', where you appear to delight in Brexit voters and leave supporters dying off from old age, coupled with your comments on this thread it's fair and reasonable to say you are ageist or have an ageist attitude to this particular subject of Brexit. I'd go even further in saying you are bigoted towards old people and your bigotry towards them is plain to see.
I call people odd when they behave oddly. When they make illogical comments.
Little attempt at demonisation there? Too much time reading paranoid emotive headlines in your online information bubble?
I am not "delighting" in anyone's death. I am stating a demographic reality. People tend to die as they get older. Older people were more likely to vote leave.
Is this fake news or another thing that Brexit will miraculously solve?
What I found amusing is that you claim that the poll of Conservative party membership opinion of Brexit is pertinent to the country as a whole considering who they are...unless of course you think that this self selecting group should have a bigger say in government policy than Parliament.
Now, try and respond to the actual questions rather than shouting incoherently at imagined offence.
Where did I shout? Were any exclamation marks or capital letters used to emphasise shouting? Yet again you display your lack of understanding of the English language. This is a common occurrence with you. Try to respond coherently without imagined visions of others shouting.
Once again not addressing an issue probably because you can't. We'll all remember to use caps lock if we want to shout.
I didn't use caps lock though, I didn't use any exclamation marks either. Easyuk appears to either be hallucinating and seeing things which aren't there or he's falsely imagining shouting in his head when the written word doesn't show any indication of shouting. For someone like you who is usually very pedantic about spelling I'm surprised you didn't notice it. "No, I'm pointing out that you said you didn't use these so we should remember to use them next time. CAPS seems to more a leaver thing to be honest. Wonder where they get it from? Sorry to go of on a tangent: "The Daily Express online is like the Daily Mail online but even more vapid and sensationalist. Articles are short and lacking substance, and headlines randomly CAPITALISE words to emphasise what you SHOULD believe. Headlines frequently distort the truth, bearing no resemblance to the content of the article beneath. On 13 January 2018 the startling headline "NASA alien ADMISSION: Space agency reveals ‘we can’t hide them’ in bombshell video" did not in fact reveal the "Full Disclosure" long-predicted by UFO loons (often in the Express comments), but was an interview with NASA's assistant director, who said that science was so open that any discovery of aliens would be known by all and impossible to cover up. In other words, the headline suggested the exact opposite of the truth [5]. This is a very common practice by the Express online" | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. Could you please provide evidence that people outside the government have had meetings with Mr Barnier. I feel like that would be publicised It has been publicised, a quick look on google would confirm it for you. Blair met Barnier in County Wicklow, Ireland, in May 2017, at a meeting of the EPP (European Peoples Party) on Brexit. This was reported in the Belfast Telegraph, link is easy to find on google. The following link also shows many other meetings that remainers outside of government have been having with the EU to try to stop Brexit... www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/14/clegg-leads-pro-remain-grandees-on-diplomatic-mission-to-stop-brexit The Guardian report clearly makes reference to Blair and Barnier having a meeting on 18 July. Fair play, though Blair and clegg are not in government. So I cannot see how they'll have much impact. It's fair simple, the Tory party thought May was the most competent, as all the brexiteer nominees were inexperienced or adolescent in their behaviour. The public then voted for her. And gave her ridgid and unpragmatic redlines a thumbs up to negotiate. As such we got a bad deal. And let's be blunt, most leavers recognise it's in our interest to have a deal, than no deal. Just not this deal Do most leavers recognise that? A recent poll of Conservative party members said over 60% of them preferred to leave with no deal. Did you say the Conservative party? 124,000 members. Average age 72? I am aware .
What an ageist you are!!.
Is there anybody else you dislike?, young, male, white?.
I'm guessing white from your previous posts?.
What an odd comment. One to add to a long series made in other threads, but this has its own unique spin
I have to admit to being hesitant to engage with you on anything having had experience of how easily you spin out of control with your rants. I look forward to some pseudo-intellectual arguments to justify whatever you wrote next although this time you seem to have just pitched straight into abuse
You will have to try and explain how I have discriminated against old people in some way or how I have given any indication that I dislike them.
What bizzare conclusions to draw
You often call people odd or bizarre if they disagree with you so your reaction there is not unusual, pretty bog standard response from you to be honest. It's not odd or bizarre to disagree with someone, in fact disagreeing with others is very common. Given your comments on your other thread titled 'Brexit crossover day', where you appear to delight in Brexit voters and leave supporters dying off from old age, coupled with your comments on this thread it's fair and reasonable to say you are ageist or have an ageist attitude to this particular subject of Brexit. I'd go even further in saying you are bigoted towards old people and your bigotry towards them is plain to see.
I call people odd when they behave oddly. When they make illogical comments.
Little attempt at demonisation there? Too much time reading paranoid emotive headlines in your online information bubble?
I am not "delighting" in anyone's death. I am stating a demographic reality. People tend to die as they get older. Older people were more likely to vote leave.
Is this fake news or another thing that Brexit will miraculously solve?
What I found amusing is that you claim that the poll of Conservative party membership opinion of Brexit is pertinent to the country as a whole considering who they are...unless of course you think that this self selecting group should have a bigger say in government policy than Parliament.
Now, try and respond to the actual questions rather than shouting incoherently at imagined offence.
Where did I shout? Were any exclamation marks or capital letters used to emphasise shouting? Yet again you display your lack of understanding of the English language. This is a common occurrence with you. Try to respond coherently without imagined visions of others shouting.
Once again not addressing an issue probably because you can't. We'll all remember to use caps lock if we want to shout.
I didn't use caps lock though, I didn't use any exclamation marks either. Easyuk appears to either be hallucinating and seeing things which aren't there or he's falsely imagining shouting in his head when the written word doesn't show any indication of shouting. For someone like you who is usually very pedantic about spelling I'm surprised you didn't notice it. "Maybe he had too much to drink last night? | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. Could you please provide evidence that people outside the government have had meetings with Mr Barnier. I feel like that would be publicised It has been publicised, a quick look on google would confirm it for you. Blair met Barnier in County Wicklow, Ireland, in May 2017, at a meeting of the EPP (European Peoples Party) on Brexit. This was reported in the Belfast Telegraph, link is easy to find on google. The following link also shows many other meetings that remainers outside of government have been having with the EU to try to stop Brexit... www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/14/clegg-leads-pro-remain-grandees-on-diplomatic-mission-to-stop-brexit The Guardian report clearly makes reference to Blair and Barnier having a meeting on 18 July. Fair play, though Blair and clegg are not in government. So I cannot see how they'll have much impact. It's fair simple, the Tory party thought May was the most competent, as all the brexiteer nominees were inexperienced or adolescent in their behaviour. The public then voted for her. And gave her ridgid and unpragmatic redlines a thumbs up to negotiate. As such we got a bad deal. And let's be blunt, most leavers recognise it's in our interest to have a deal, than no deal. Just not this deal Do most leavers recognise that? A recent poll of Conservative party members said over 60% of them preferred to leave with no deal. Did you say the Conservative party? 124,000 members. Average age 72? I am aware .
What an ageist you are!!.
Is there anybody else you dislike?, young, male, white?.
I'm guessing white from your previous posts?."Those are literally the statistics. | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. Could you please provide evidence that people outside the government have had meetings with Mr Barnier. I feel like that would be publicised It has been publicised, a quick look on google would confirm it for you. Blair met Barnier in County Wicklow, Ireland, in May 2017, at a meeting of the EPP (European Peoples Party) on Brexit. This was reported in the Belfast Telegraph, link is easy to find on google. The following link also shows many other meetings that remainers outside of government have been having with the EU to try to stop Brexit... www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/14/clegg-leads-pro-remain-grandees-on-diplomatic-mission-to-stop-brexit The Guardian report clearly makes reference to Blair and Barnier having a meeting on 18 July. Fair play, though Blair and clegg are not in government. So I cannot see how they'll have much impact. It's fair simple, the Tory party thought May was the most competent, as all the brexiteer nominees were inexperienced or adolescent in their behaviour. The public then voted for her. And gave her ridgid and unpragmatic redlines a thumbs up to negotiate. As such we got a bad deal. And let's be blunt, most leavers recognise it's in our interest to have a deal, than no deal. Just not this deal Do most leavers recognise that? A recent poll of Conservative party members said over 60% of them preferred to leave with no deal. Did you say the Conservative party? 124,000 members. Average age 72? I am aware .
What an ageist you are!!.
Is there anybody else you dislike?, young, male, white?.
I'm guessing white from your previous posts?.
What an odd comment. One to add to a long series made in other threads, but this has its own unique spin
I have to admit to being hesitant to engage with you on anything having had experience of how easily you spin out of control with your rants. I look forward to some pseudo-intellectual arguments to justify whatever you wrote next although this time you seem to have just pitched straight into abuse
You will have to try and explain how I have discriminated against old people in some way or how I have given any indication that I dislike them.
What bizzare conclusions to draw
You often call people odd or bizarre if they disagree with you so your reaction there is not unusual, pretty bog standard response from you to be honest. It's not odd or bizarre to disagree with someone, in fact disagreeing with others is very common. Given your comments on your other thread titled 'Brexit crossover day', where you appear to delight in Brexit voters and leave supporters dying off from old age, coupled with your comments on this thread it's fair and reasonable to say you are ageist or have an ageist attitude to this particular subject of Brexit. I'd go even further in saying you are bigoted towards old people and your bigotry towards them is plain to see.
I call people odd when they behave oddly. When they make illogical comments.
Little attempt at demonisation there? Too much time reading paranoid emotive headlines in your online information bubble?
I am not "delighting" in anyone's death. I am stating a demographic reality. People tend to die as they get older. Older people were more likely to vote leave.
Is this fake news or another thing that Brexit will miraculously solve?
What I found amusing is that you claim that the poll of Conservative party membership opinion of Brexit is pertinent to the country as a whole considering who they are...unless of course you think that this self selecting group should have a bigger say in government policy than Parliament.
Now, try and respond to the actual questions rather than shouting incoherently at imagined offence.
Where did I shout? Were any exclamation marks or capital letters used to emphasise shouting? Yet again you display your lack of understanding of the English language. This is a common occurrence with you. Try to respond coherently without imagined visions of others shouting.
Once again not addressing an issue probably because you can't. We'll all remember to use caps lock if we want to shout.
I didn't use caps lock though, I didn't use any exclamation marks either. Easyuk appears to either be hallucinating and seeing things which aren't there or he's falsely imagining shouting in his head when the written word doesn't show any indication of shouting. For someone like you who is usually very pedantic about spelling I'm surprised you didn't notice it.
No, I'm pointing out that you said you didn't use these so we should remember to use them next time.
CAPS seems to more a leaver thing to be honest.
Wonder where they get it from?
Sorry to go of on a tangent:
"The Daily Express online is like the Daily Mail online but even more vapid and sensationalist. Articles are short and lacking substance, and headlines randomly CAPITALISE words to emphasise what you SHOULD believe. Headlines frequently distort the truth, bearing no resemblance to the content of the article beneath. On 13 January 2018 the startling headline "NASA alien ADMISSION: Space agency reveals ‘we can’t hide them’ in bombshell video" did not in fact reveal the "Full Disclosure" long-predicted by UFO loons (often in the Express comments), but was an interview with NASA's assistant director, who said that science was so open that any discovery of aliens would be known by all and impossible to cover up. In other words, the headline suggested the exact opposite of the truth [5]. This is a very common practice by the Express online""What on earth are you babbling on about? I never said anyone else should remember to use Caps lock either. | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. Could you please provide evidence that people outside the government have had meetings with Mr Barnier. I feel like that would be publicised It has been publicised, a quick look on google would confirm it for you. Blair met Barnier in County Wicklow, Ireland, in May 2017, at a meeting of the EPP (European Peoples Party) on Brexit. This was reported in the Belfast Telegraph, link is easy to find on google. The following link also shows many other meetings that remainers outside of government have been having with the EU to try to stop Brexit... www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/14/clegg-leads-pro-remain-grandees-on-diplomatic-mission-to-stop-brexit The Guardian report clearly makes reference to Blair and Barnier having a meeting on 18 July. Fair play, though Blair and clegg are not in government. So I cannot see how they'll have much impact. It's fair simple, the Tory party thought May was the most competent, as all the brexiteer nominees were inexperienced or adolescent in their behaviour. The public then voted for her. And gave her ridgid and unpragmatic redlines a thumbs up to negotiate. As such we got a bad deal. And let's be blunt, most leavers recognise it's in our interest to have a deal, than no deal. Just not this deal Do most leavers recognise that? A recent poll of Conservative party members said over 60% of them preferred to leave with no deal. Did you say the Conservative party? 124,000 members. Average age 72? I am aware .
What an ageist you are!!.
Is there anybody else you dislike?, young, male, white?.
I'm guessing white from your previous posts?.
What an odd comment. One to add to a long series made in other threads, but this has its own unique spin
I have to admit to being hesitant to engage with you on anything having had experience of how easily you spin out of control with your rants. I look forward to some pseudo-intellectual arguments to justify whatever you wrote next although this time you seem to have just pitched straight into abuse
You will have to try and explain how I have discriminated against old people in some way or how I have given any indication that I dislike them.
What bizzare conclusions to draw
You often call people odd or bizarre if they disagree with you so your reaction there is not unusual, pretty bog standard response from you to be honest. It's not odd or bizarre to disagree with someone, in fact disagreeing with others is very common. Given your comments on your other thread titled 'Brexit crossover day', where you appear to delight in Brexit voters and leave supporters dying off from old age, coupled with your comments on this thread it's fair and reasonable to say you are ageist or have an ageist attitude to this particular subject of Brexit. I'd go even further in saying you are bigoted towards old people and your bigotry towards them is plain to see.
I call people odd when they behave oddly. When they make illogical comments.
Little attempt at demonisation there? Too much time reading paranoid emotive headlines in your online information bubble?
I am not "delighting" in anyone's death. I am stating a demographic reality. People tend to die as they get older. Older people were more likely to vote leave.
Is this fake news or another thing that Brexit will miraculously solve?
What I found amusing is that you claim that the poll of Conservative party membership opinion of Brexit is pertinent to the country as a whole considering who they are...unless of course you think that this self selecting group should have a bigger say in government policy than Parliament.
Now, try and respond to the actual questions rather than shouting incoherently at imagined offence.
Where did I shout? Were any exclamation marks or capital letters used to emphasise shouting? Yet again you display your lack of understanding of the English language. This is a common occurrence with you. Try to respond coherently without imagined visions of others shouting.
Once again not addressing an issue probably because you can't. We'll all remember to use caps lock if we want to shout.
I didn't use caps lock though, I didn't use any exclamation marks either. Easyuk appears to either be hallucinating and seeing things which aren't there or he's falsely imagining shouting in his head when the written word doesn't show any indication of shouting. For someone like you who is usually very pedantic about spelling I'm surprised you didn't notice it.
No, I'm pointing out that you said you didn't use these so we should remember to use them next time.
CAPS seems to more a leaver thing to be honest.
Wonder where they get it from?
Sorry to go of on a tangent:
"The Daily Express online is like the Daily Mail online but even more vapid and sensationalist. Articles are short and lacking substance, and headlines randomly CAPITALISE words to emphasise what you SHOULD believe. Headlines frequently distort the truth, bearing no resemblance to the content of the article beneath. On 13 January 2018 the startling headline "NASA alien ADMISSION: Space agency reveals ‘we can’t hide them’ in bombshell video" did not in fact reveal the "Full Disclosure" long-predicted by UFO loons (often in the Express comments), but was an interview with NASA's assistant director, who said that science was so open that any discovery of aliens would be known by all and impossible to cover up. In other words, the headline suggested the exact opposite of the truth [5]. This is a very common practice by the Express online"
What on earth are you babbling on about? I never said anyone else should remember to use Caps lock either. "So, saying you didn't shout because you didn't use cap locks or exclamation marks didn't happen? | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. Could you please provide evidence that people outside the government have had meetings with Mr Barnier. I feel like that would be publicised It has been publicised, a quick look on google would confirm it for you. Blair met Barnier in County Wicklow, Ireland, in May 2017, at a meeting of the EPP (European Peoples Party) on Brexit. This was reported in the Belfast Telegraph, link is easy to find on google. The following link also shows many other meetings that remainers outside of government have been having with the EU to try to stop Brexit... www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/14/clegg-leads-pro-remain-grandees-on-diplomatic-mission-to-stop-brexit The Guardian report clearly makes reference to Blair and Barnier having a meeting on 18 July. Fair play, though Blair and clegg are not in government. So I cannot see how they'll have much impact. It's fair simple, the Tory party thought May was the most competent, as all the brexiteer nominees were inexperienced or adolescent in their behaviour. The public then voted for her. And gave her ridgid and unpragmatic redlines a thumbs up to negotiate. As such we got a bad deal. And let's be blunt, most leavers recognise it's in our interest to have a deal, than no deal. Just not this deal Do most leavers recognise that? A recent poll of Conservative party members said over 60% of them preferred to leave with no deal. Did you say the Conservative party? 124,000 members. Average age 72? I am aware .
What an ageist you are!!.
Is there anybody else you dislike?, young, male, white?.
I'm guessing white from your previous posts?.
What an odd comment. One to add to a long series made in other threads, but this has its own unique spin
I have to admit to being hesitant to engage with you on anything having had experience of how easily you spin out of control with your rants. I look forward to some pseudo-intellectual arguments to justify whatever you wrote next although this time you seem to have just pitched straight into abuse
You will have to try and explain how I have discriminated against old people in some way or how I have given any indication that I dislike them.
What bizzare conclusions to draw
You often call people odd or bizarre if they disagree with you so your reaction there is not unusual, pretty bog standard response from you to be honest. It's not odd or bizarre to disagree with someone, in fact disagreeing with others is very common. Given your comments on your other thread titled 'Brexit crossover day', where you appear to delight in Brexit voters and leave supporters dying off from old age, coupled with your comments on this thread it's fair and reasonable to say you are ageist or have an ageist attitude to this particular subject of Brexit. I'd go even further in saying you are bigoted towards old people and your bigotry towards them is plain to see.
I call people odd when they behave oddly. When they make illogical comments.
Little attempt at demonisation there? Too much time reading paranoid emotive headlines in your online information bubble?
I am not "delighting" in anyone's death. I am stating a demographic reality. People tend to die as they get older. Older people were more likely to vote leave.
Is this fake news or another thing that Brexit will miraculously solve?
What I found amusing is that you claim that the poll of Conservative party membership opinion of Brexit is pertinent to the country as a whole considering who they are...unless of course you think that this self selecting group should have a bigger say in government policy than Parliament.
Now, try and respond to the actual questions rather than shouting incoherently at imagined offence.
Where did I shout? Were any exclamation marks or capital letters used to emphasise shouting? Yet again you display your lack of understanding of the English language. This is a common occurrence with you. Try to respond coherently without imagined visions of others shouting.
Once again not addressing an issue probably because you can't. We'll all remember to use caps lock if we want to shout.
I didn't use caps lock though, I didn't use any exclamation marks either. Easyuk appears to either be hallucinating and seeing things which aren't there or he's falsely imagining shouting in his head when the written word doesn't show any indication of shouting. For someone like you who is usually very pedantic about spelling I'm surprised you didn't notice it.
No, I'm pointing out that you said you didn't use these so we should remember to use them next time.
CAPS seems to more a leaver thing to be honest.
Wonder where they get it from?
Sorry to go of on a tangent:
"The Daily Express online is like the Daily Mail online but even more vapid and sensationalist. Articles are short and lacking substance, and headlines randomly CAPITALISE words to emphasise what you SHOULD believe. Headlines frequently distort the truth, bearing no resemblance to the content of the article beneath. On 13 January 2018 the startling headline "NASA alien ADMISSION: Space agency reveals ‘we can’t hide them’ in bombshell video" did not in fact reveal the "Full Disclosure" long-predicted by UFO loons (often in the Express comments), but was an interview with NASA's assistant director, who said that science was so open that any discovery of aliens would be known by all and impossible to cover up. In other words, the headline suggested the exact opposite of the truth [5]. This is a very common practice by the Express online"
What on earth are you babbling on about? I never said anyone else should remember to use Caps lock either.
So, saying you didn't shout because you didn't use cap locks or exclamation marks didn't happen?
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. Could you please provide evidence that people outside the government have had meetings with Mr Barnier. I feel like that would be publicised It has been publicised, a quick look on google would confirm it for you. Blair met Barnier in County Wicklow, Ireland, in May 2017, at a meeting of the EPP (European Peoples Party) on Brexit. This was reported in the Belfast Telegraph, link is easy to find on google. The following link also shows many other meetings that remainers outside of government have been having with the EU to try to stop Brexit... www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/14/clegg-leads-pro-remain-grandees-on-diplomatic-mission-to-stop-brexit The Guardian report clearly makes reference to Blair and Barnier having a meeting on 18 July. Fair play, though Blair and clegg are not in government. So I cannot see how they'll have much impact. It's fair simple, the Tory party thought May was the most competent, as all the brexiteer nominees were inexperienced or adolescent in their behaviour. The public then voted for her. And gave her ridgid and unpragmatic redlines a thumbs up to negotiate. As such we got a bad deal. And let's be blunt, most leavers recognise it's in our interest to have a deal, than no deal. Just not this deal Do most leavers recognise that? A recent poll of Conservative party members said over 60% of them preferred to leave with no deal. Did you say the Conservative party? 124,000 members. Average age 72? I am aware .
What an ageist you are!!.
Is there anybody else you dislike?, young, male, white?.
I'm guessing white from your previous posts?.
What an odd comment. One to add to a long series made in other threads, but this has its own unique spin
I have to admit to being hesitant to engage with you on anything having had experience of how easily you spin out of control with your rants. I look forward to some pseudo-intellectual arguments to justify whatever you wrote next although this time you seem to have just pitched straight into abuse
You will have to try and explain how I have discriminated against old people in some way or how I have given any indication that I dislike them.
What bizzare conclusions to draw
You often call people odd or bizarre if they disagree with you so your reaction there is not unusual, pretty bog standard response from you to be honest. It's not odd or bizarre to disagree with someone, in fact disagreeing with others is very common. Given your comments on your other thread titled 'Brexit crossover day', where you appear to delight in Brexit voters and leave supporters dying off from old age, coupled with your comments on this thread it's fair and reasonable to say you are ageist or have an ageist attitude to this particular subject of Brexit. I'd go even further in saying you are bigoted towards old people and your bigotry towards them is plain to see.
I call people odd when they behave oddly. When they make illogical comments.
Little attempt at demonisation there? Too much time reading paranoid emotive headlines in your online information bubble?
I am not "delighting" in anyone's death. I am stating a demographic reality. People tend to die as they get older. Older people were more likely to vote leave.
Is this fake news or another thing that Brexit will miraculously solve?
What I found amusing is that you claim that the poll of Conservative party membership opinion of Brexit is pertinent to the country as a whole considering who they are...unless of course you think that this self selecting group should have a bigger say in government policy than Parliament.
Now, try and respond to the actual questions rather than shouting incoherently at imagined offence.
Where did I shout? Were any exclamation marks or capital letters used to emphasise shouting? Yet again you display your lack of understanding of the English language. This is a common occurrence with you. Try to respond coherently without imagined visions of others shouting.
Once again not addressing an issue probably because you can't. We'll all remember to use caps lock if we want to shout.
I didn't use caps lock though, I didn't use any exclamation marks either. Easyuk appears to either be hallucinating and seeing things which aren't there or he's falsely imagining shouting in his head when the written word doesn't show any indication of shouting. For someone like you who is usually very pedantic about spelling I'm surprised you didn't notice it.
No, I'm pointing out that you said you didn't use these so we should remember to use them next time.
CAPS seems to more a leaver thing to be honest.
Wonder where they get it from?
Sorry to go of on a tangent:
"The Daily Express online is like the Daily Mail online but even more vapid and sensationalist. Articles are short and lacking substance, and headlines randomly CAPITALISE words to emphasise what you SHOULD believe. Headlines frequently distort the truth, bearing no resemblance to the content of the article beneath. On 13 January 2018 the startling headline "NASA alien ADMISSION: Space agency reveals ‘we can’t hide them’ in bombshell video" did not in fact reveal the "Full Disclosure" long-predicted by UFO loons (often in the Express comments), but was an interview with NASA's assistant director, who said that science was so open that any discovery of aliens would be known by all and impossible to cover up. In other words, the headline suggested the exact opposite of the truth [5]. This is a very common practice by the Express online"
What on earth are you babbling on about? I never said anyone else should remember to use Caps lock either.
So, saying you didn't shout because you didn't use cap locks or exclamation marks didn't happen?
No. You're saying I've told others to remember to use caps lock. I haven't told others anything of the sort. ""we should remember to use them next time." Really? | |||
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"You often call people odd or bizarre if they disagree with you so your reaction there is not unusual, pretty bog standard response from you to be honest. It's not odd or bizarre to disagree with someone, in fact disagreeing with others is very common. Given your comments on your other thread titled 'Brexit crossover day', where you appear to delight in Brexit voters and leave supporters dying off from old age, coupled with your comments on this thread it's fair and reasonable to say you are ageist or have an ageist attitude to this particular subject of Brexit. I'd go even further in saying you are bigoted towards old people and your bigotry towards them is plain to see. I call people odd when they behave oddly. When they make illogical comments. Little attempt at demonisation there? Too much time reading paranoid emotive headlines in your online information bubble?
I am not "delighting" in anyone's death. I am stating a demographic reality. People tend to die as they get older. Older people were more likely to vote leave.
Is this fake news or another thing that Brexit will miraculously solve?
What I found amusing is that you claim that the poll of Conservative party membership opinion of Brexit is pertinent to the country as a whole considering who they are...unless of course you think that this self selecting group should have a bigger say in government policy than Parliament.
Now, try and respond to the actual questions rather than shouting incoherently at imagined offence.
Where did I shout? Were any exclamation marks or capital letters used to emphasise shouting? Yet again you display your lack of understanding of the English language. This is a common occurrence with you. Try to respond coherently without imagined visions of others shouting.
Found a micro-victory to aim for rather than addressing the point that this time you even raised yourself? Some patterns of behaviour are very set aren't they?
Some repeated patterns of behaviour are very set, like your repeated pattern of behaviour of calling people odd if they disagree with you and your repeated pattern of behaviour of imagining others shouting when they haven't. "My 'Brexit crossover day' thread merely states a statistical calculation based on the fact that older people (as a generation rather than depending on actual age) were more likely to have voted remain and that as they die the demographic makes a remain vote more likely. The underlying point is that Brexit is a particular case of an older generation dictating an almost irreversible path that the majority of those following disagree with. In this thread I indicated that the opinion of Conservative party members due to their age and small numbers are not indicative of the country in general. At no point have I indicated that I am pleased at anyone's death. You have not, in any way, disputed any of the points that I have made. You have, instead, chosen to make shrill and baseless accusations using emotive language in a similar manner to your favourite online "news" publications. This, figuratively, is shouting. It does not require the, very literal, interpretation of using capitalisation and exclamation marks. I do not think people odd if they disagree with me. I think them odd if they behave irrationally and illogically as you are demonstrating. | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. Could you please provide evidence that people outside the government have had meetings with Mr Barnier. I feel like that would be publicised It has been publicised, a quick look on google would confirm it for you. Blair met Barnier in County Wicklow, Ireland, in May 2017, at a meeting of the EPP (European Peoples Party) on Brexit. This was reported in the Belfast Telegraph, link is easy to find on google. The following link also shows many other meetings that remainers outside of government have been having with the EU to try to stop Brexit... www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/14/clegg-leads-pro-remain-grandees-on-diplomatic-mission-to-stop-brexit The Guardian report clearly makes reference to Blair and Barnier having a meeting on 18 July. Fair play, though Blair and clegg are not in government. So I cannot see how they'll have much impact. It's fair simple, the Tory party thought May was the most competent, as all the brexiteer nominees were inexperienced or adolescent in their behaviour. The public then voted for her. And gave her ridgid and unpragmatic redlines a thumbs up to negotiate. As such we got a bad deal. And let's be blunt, most leavers recognise it's in our interest to have a deal, than no deal. Just not this deal Do most leavers recognise that? A recent poll of Conservative party members said over 60% of them preferred to leave with no deal. Did you say the Conservative party? 124,000 members. Average age 72? I am aware .
What an ageist you are!!.
Is there anybody else you dislike?, young, male, white?.
I'm guessing white from your previous posts?.
What an odd comment. One to add to a long series made in other threads, but this has its own unique spin
I have to admit to being hesitant to engage with you on anything having had experience of how easily you spin out of control with your rants. I look forward to some pseudo-intellectual arguments to justify whatever you wrote next although this time you seem to have just pitched straight into abuse
You will have to try and explain how I have discriminated against old people in some way or how I have given any indication that I dislike them.
What bizzare conclusions to draw
You often call people odd or bizarre if they disagree with you so your reaction there is not unusual, pretty bog standard response from you to be honest. It's not odd or bizarre to disagree with someone, in fact disagreeing with others is very common. Given your comments on your other thread titled 'Brexit crossover day', where you appear to delight in Brexit voters and leave supporters dying off from old age, coupled with your comments on this thread it's fair and reasonable to say you are ageist or have an ageist attitude to this particular subject of Brexit. I'd go even further in saying you are bigoted towards old people and your bigotry towards them is plain to see.
I call people odd when they behave oddly. When they make illogical comments.
Little attempt at demonisation there? Too much time reading paranoid emotive headlines in your online information bubble?
I am not "delighting" in anyone's death. I am stating a demographic reality. People tend to die as they get older. Older people were more likely to vote leave.
Is this fake news or another thing that Brexit will miraculously solve?
What I found amusing is that you claim that the poll of Conservative party membership opinion of Brexit is pertinent to the country as a whole considering who they are...unless of course you think that this self selecting group should have a bigger say in government policy than Parliament.
Now, try and respond to the actual questions rather than shouting incoherently at imagined offence.
Where did I shout? Were any exclamation marks or capital letters used to emphasise shouting? Yet again you display your lack of understanding of the English language. This is a common occurrence with you. Try to respond coherently without imagined visions of others shouting.
Once again not addressing an issue probably because you can't. We'll all remember to use caps lock if we want to shout.
I didn't use caps lock though, I didn't use any exclamation marks either. Easyuk appears to either be hallucinating and seeing things which aren't there or he's falsely imagining shouting in his head when the written word doesn't show any indication of shouting. For someone like you who is usually very pedantic about spelling I'm surprised you didn't notice it.
No, I'm pointing out that you said you didn't use these so we should remember to use them next time.
CAPS seems to more a leaver thing to be honest.
Wonder where they get it from?
Sorry to go of on a tangent:
"The Daily Express online is like the Daily Mail online but even more vapid and sensationalist. Articles are short and lacking substance, and headlines randomly CAPITALISE words to emphasise what you SHOULD believe. Headlines frequently distort the truth, bearing no resemblance to the content of the article beneath. On 13 January 2018 the startling headline "NASA alien ADMISSION: Space agency reveals ‘we can’t hide them’ in bombshell video" did not in fact reveal the "Full Disclosure" long-predicted by UFO loons (often in the Express comments), but was an interview with NASA's assistant director, who said that science was so open that any discovery of aliens would be known by all and impossible to cover up. In other words, the headline suggested the exact opposite of the truth [5]. This is a very common practice by the Express online"
What on earth are you babbling on about? I never said anyone else should remember to use Caps lock either.
So, saying you didn't shout because you didn't use cap locks or exclamation marks didn't happen?
No. You're saying I've told others to remember to use caps lock. I haven't told others anything of the sort.
"we should remember to use them next time."
Really? "You're quoting yourself. You said that ealier on the thread, not me. | |||
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"What are some people stillb blaming Europe for the way brexit has gone? They set their stall out early and haven't really budged, why do people also think people like Boris, Farage and Ress Mogg would have done better? Their actions since the referendum have show them to be completely incompetent. Im just interested to see how you can come to any other conclusion that our side has been incompetent? Id like to know why May agreed to a bad deal and why the eu, and Mr barnier gave such a bad deal, thinking may could sell it to parliament. Why did May agree to a bad deal with the EU? Because she is a remainer at heart. Why has Barnier and the EU given such a bad deal? Firstly because the EU doesn't want us to leave. Also because people like Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson (the head honchos of the Peoples Vote campaign) have been having meetings with Barnier telling him to give Britain a bad deal. They've told him to give the UK a bad deal to force a 2nd referendum. Sad state of affairs when UK citizens brief against and undermine their own country's negotiating position but Blair, Mandelson and Campbell have shown their true colours. The EU now think they can subvert UK democracy and force us into either revoking article 50 to stay in the EU or they think they can force a 2nd referendum through their puppets Blair, Campbell and Mandelson with a Peoples Vote campaign. We need to call their bluff and leave with no deal. Chuck May's Withdrawal agreement in the bin and move onto Canada style free trade agreement talks with the EU after 29th March as a 3rd country. Could you please provide evidence that people outside the government have had meetings with Mr Barnier. I feel like that would be publicised It has been publicised, a quick look on google would confirm it for you. Blair met Barnier in County Wicklow, Ireland, in May 2017, at a meeting of the EPP (European Peoples Party) on Brexit. This was reported in the Belfast Telegraph, link is easy to find on google. The following link also shows many other meetings that remainers outside of government have been having with the EU to try to stop Brexit... www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/14/clegg-leads-pro-remain-grandees-on-diplomatic-mission-to-stop-brexit The Guardian report clearly makes reference to Blair and Barnier having a meeting on 18 July. Fair play, though Blair and clegg are not in government. So I cannot see how they'll have much impact. It's fair simple, the Tory party thought May was the most competent, as all the brexiteer nominees were inexperienced or adolescent in their behaviour. The public then voted for her. And gave her ridgid and unpragmatic redlines a thumbs up to negotiate. As such we got a bad deal. And let's be blunt, most leavers recognise it's in our interest to have a deal, than no deal. Just not this deal Do most leavers recognise that? A recent poll of Conservative party members said over 60% of them preferred to leave with no deal. Did you say the Conservative party? 124,000 members. Average age 72? I am aware .
What an ageist you are!!.
Is there anybody else you dislike?, young, male, white?.
I'm guessing white from your previous posts?.
What an odd comment. One to add to a long series made in other threads, but this has its own unique spin
I have to admit to being hesitant to engage with you on anything having had experience of how easily you spin out of control with your rants. I look forward to some pseudo-intellectual arguments to justify whatever you wrote next although this time you seem to have just pitched straight into abuse
You will have to try and explain how I have discriminated against old people in some way or how I have given any indication that I dislike them.
What bizzare conclusions to draw
You often call people odd or bizarre if they disagree with you so your reaction there is not unusual, pretty bog standard response from you to be honest. It's not odd or bizarre to disagree with someone, in fact disagreeing with others is very common. Given your comments on your other thread titled 'Brexit crossover day', where you appear to delight in Brexit voters and leave supporters dying off from old age, coupled with your comments on this thread it's fair and reasonable to say you are ageist or have an ageist attitude to this particular subject of Brexit. I'd go even further in saying you are bigoted towards old people and your bigotry towards them is plain to see.
I call people odd when they behave oddly. When they make illogical comments.
Little attempt at demonisation there? Too much time reading paranoid emotive headlines in your online information bubble?
I am not "delighting" in anyone's death. I am stating a demographic reality. People tend to die as they get older. Older people were more likely to vote leave.
Is this fake news or another thing that Brexit will miraculously solve?
What I found amusing is that you claim that the poll of Conservative party membership opinion of Brexit is pertinent to the country as a whole considering who they are...unless of course you think that this self selecting group should have a bigger say in government policy than Parliament.
Now, try and respond to the actual questions rather than shouting incoherently at imagined offence.
Where did I shout? Were any exclamation marks or capital letters used to emphasise shouting? Yet again you display your lack of understanding of the English language. This is a common occurrence with you. Try to respond coherently without imagined visions of others shouting.
Once again not addressing an issue probably because you can't. We'll all remember to use caps lock if we want to shout.
I didn't use caps lock though, I didn't use any exclamation marks either. Easyuk appears to either be hallucinating and seeing things which aren't there or he's falsely imagining shouting in his head when the written word doesn't show any indication of shouting. For someone like you who is usually very pedantic about spelling I'm surprised you didn't notice it.
No, I'm pointing out that you said you didn't use these so we should remember to use them next time.
CAPS seems to more a leaver thing to be honest.
Wonder where they get it from?
Sorry to go of on a tangent:
"The Daily Express online is like the Daily Mail online but even more vapid and sensationalist. Articles are short and lacking substance, and headlines randomly CAPITALISE words to emphasise what you SHOULD believe. Headlines frequently distort the truth, bearing no resemblance to the content of the article beneath. On 13 January 2018 the startling headline "NASA alien ADMISSION: Space agency reveals ‘we can’t hide them’ in bombshell video" did not in fact reveal the "Full Disclosure" long-predicted by UFO loons (often in the Express comments), but was an interview with NASA's assistant director, who said that science was so open that any discovery of aliens would be known by all and impossible to cover up. In other words, the headline suggested the exact opposite of the truth [5]. This is a very common practice by the Express online"
What on earth are you babbling on about? I never said anyone else should remember to use Caps lock either.
So, saying you didn't shout because you didn't use cap locks or exclamation marks didn't happen?
No. You're saying I've told others to remember to use caps lock. I haven't told others anything of the sort.
"we should remember to use them next time."
Really?
You're quoting yourself. You said that ealier on the thread, not me. ""You're saying" implies me does it not? So I'm identifying what I said. Which doesn't really tally up with what you posted. | |||
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"You often call people odd or bizarre if they disagree with you so your reaction there is not unusual, pretty bog standard response from you to be honest. It's not odd or bizarre to disagree with someone, in fact disagreeing with others is very common. Given your comments on your other thread titled 'Brexit crossover day', where you appear to delight in Brexit voters and leave supporters dying off from old age, coupled with your comments on this thread it's fair and reasonable to say you are ageist or have an ageist attitude to this particular subject of Brexit. I'd go even further in saying you are bigoted towards old people and your bigotry towards them is plain to see. I call people odd when they behave oddly. When they make illogical comments. Little attempt at demonisation there? Too much time reading paranoid emotive headlines in your online information bubble?
I am not "delighting" in anyone's death. I am stating a demographic reality. People tend to die as they get older. Older people were more likely to vote leave.
Is this fake news or another thing that Brexit will miraculously solve?
What I found amusing is that you claim that the poll of Conservative party membership opinion of Brexit is pertinent to the country as a whole considering who they are...unless of course you think that this self selecting group should have a bigger say in government policy than Parliament.
Now, try and respond to the actual questions rather than shouting incoherently at imagined offence.
Where did I shout? Were any exclamation marks or capital letters used to emphasise shouting? Yet again you display your lack of understanding of the English language. This is a common occurrence with you. Try to respond coherently without imagined visions of others shouting.
Found a micro-victory to aim for rather than addressing the point that this time you even raised yourself? Some patterns of behaviour are very set aren't they?
Some repeated patterns of behaviour are very set, like your repeated pattern of behaviour of calling people odd if they disagree with you and your repeated pattern of behaviour of imagining others shouting when they haven't.
My 'Brexit crossover day' thread merely states a statistical calculation based on the fact that older people (as a generation rather than depending on actual age) were more likely to have voted remain and that as they die the demographic makes a remain vote more likely.
The underlying point is that Brexit is a particular case of an older generation dictating an almost irreversible path that the majority of those following disagree with.
In this thread I indicated that the opinion of Conservative party members due to their age and small numbers are not indicative of the country in general.
At no point have I indicated that I am pleased at anyone's death.
You have not, in any way, disputed any of the points that I have made. You have, instead, chosen to make shrill and baseless accusations using emotive language in a similar manner to your favourite online "news" publications. This, figuratively, is shouting. It does not require the, very literal, interpretation of using capitalisation and exclamation marks.
I do not think people odd if they disagree with me. I think them odd if they behave irrationally and illogically as you are demonstrating."You posted a thread about old people dying, specifically leave voters. You delight in this as you think it would more likely deliver a remain result in a 2nd referendum. The "Brexit crossover day" thread is your baby. You posted it, no one else, you can own it. | |||
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"You often call people odd or bizarre if they disagree with you so your reaction there is not unusual, pretty bog standard response from you to be honest. It's not odd or bizarre to disagree with someone, in fact disagreeing with others is very common. Given your comments on your other thread titled 'Brexit crossover day', where you appear to delight in Brexit voters and leave supporters dying off from old age, coupled with your comments on this thread it's fair and reasonable to say you are ageist or have an ageist attitude to this particular subject of Brexit. I'd go even further in saying you are bigoted towards old people and your bigotry towards them is plain to see. I call people odd when they behave oddly. When they make illogical comments. Little attempt at demonisation there? Too much time reading paranoid emotive headlines in your online information bubble?
I am not "delighting" in anyone's death. I am stating a demographic reality. People tend to die as they get older. Older people were more likely to vote leave.
Is this fake news or another thing that Brexit will miraculously solve?
What I found amusing is that you claim that the poll of Conservative party membership opinion of Brexit is pertinent to the country as a whole considering who they are...unless of course you think that this self selecting group should have a bigger say in government policy than Parliament.
Now, try and respond to the actual questions rather than shouting incoherently at imagined offence.
Where did I shout? Were any exclamation marks or capital letters used to emphasise shouting? Yet again you display your lack of understanding of the English language. This is a common occurrence with you. Try to respond coherently without imagined visions of others shouting.
Found a micro-victory to aim for rather than addressing the point that this time you even raised yourself? Some patterns of behaviour are very set aren't they?
Some repeated patterns of behaviour are very set, like your repeated pattern of behaviour of calling people odd if they disagree with you and your repeated pattern of behaviour of imagining others shouting when they haven't.
My 'Brexit crossover day' thread merely states a statistical calculation based on the fact that older people (as a generation rather than depending on actual age) were more likely to have voted remain and that as they die the demographic makes a remain vote more likely.
The underlying point is that Brexit is a particular case of an older generation dictating an almost irreversible path that the majority of those following disagree with.
In this thread I indicated that the opinion of Conservative party members due to their age and small numbers are not indicative of the country in general.
At no point have I indicated that I am pleased at anyone's death.
You have not, in any way, disputed any of the points that I have made. You have, instead, chosen to make shrill and baseless accusations using emotive language in a similar manner to your favourite online "news" publications. This, figuratively, is shouting. It does not require the, very literal, interpretation of using capitalisation and exclamation marks.
I do not think people odd if they disagree with me. I think them odd if they behave irrationally and illogically as you are demonstrating.
You posted a thread about old people dying, specifically leave voters. You delight in this as you think it would more likely deliver a remain result in a 2nd referendum. The "Brexit crossover day" thread is your baby. You posted it, no one else, you can own it. "Yadda, yadda. I have already said that I am perfectly happy with that thread. Repeating a baseless over and over doesn't make it true. That is, of course, the easiest way to shut down debate and discussion. I have not "delighted" at anyone's death. If you can indicate how I have expressed this it would be helpful. Have you any information to suggest that the statistical calculation that links age to referendum voting is untrue? You are underlining your odd and bizarre behaviour. Have some quiet time. | |||
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"You often call people odd or bizarre if they disagree with you so your reaction there is not unusual, pretty bog standard response from you to be honest. It's not odd or bizarre to disagree with someone, in fact disagreeing with others is very common. Given your comments on your other thread titled 'Brexit crossover day', where you appear to delight in Brexit voters and leave supporters dying off from old age, coupled with your comments on this thread it's fair and reasonable to say you are ageist or have an ageist attitude to this particular subject of Brexit. I'd go even further in saying you are bigoted towards old people and your bigotry towards them is plain to see. I call people odd when they behave oddly. When they make illogical comments. Little attempt at demonisation there? Too much time reading paranoid emotive headlines in your online information bubble?
I am not "delighting" in anyone's death. I am stating a demographic reality. People tend to die as they get older. Older people were more likely to vote leave.
Is this fake news or another thing that Brexit will miraculously solve?
What I found amusing is that you claim that the poll of Conservative party membership opinion of Brexit is pertinent to the country as a whole considering who they are...unless of course you think that this self selecting group should have a bigger say in government policy than Parliament.
Now, try and respond to the actual questions rather than shouting incoherently at imagined offence.
Where did I shout? Were any exclamation marks or capital letters used to emphasise shouting? Yet again you display your lack of understanding of the English language. This is a common occurrence with you. Try to respond coherently without imagined visions of others shouting.
Found a micro-victory to aim for rather than addressing the point that this time you even raised yourself? Some patterns of behaviour are very set aren't they?
Some repeated patterns of behaviour are very set, like your repeated pattern of behaviour of calling people odd if they disagree with you and your repeated pattern of behaviour of imagining others shouting when they haven't.
My 'Brexit crossover day' thread merely states a statistical calculation based on the fact that older people (as a generation rather than depending on actual age) were more likely to have voted remain and that as they die the demographic makes a remain vote more likely.
The underlying point is that Brexit is a particular case of an older generation dictating an almost irreversible path that the majority of those following disagree with.
In this thread I indicated that the opinion of Conservative party members due to their age and small numbers are not indicative of the country in general.
At no point have I indicated that I am pleased at anyone's death.
You have not, in any way, disputed any of the points that I have made. You have, instead, chosen to make shrill and baseless accusations using emotive language in a similar manner to your favourite online "news" publications. This, figuratively, is shouting. It does not require the, very literal, interpretation of using capitalisation and exclamation marks.
I do not think people odd if they disagree with me. I think them odd if they behave irrationally and illogically as you are demonstrating.
You posted a thread about old people dying, specifically leave voters. You delight in this as you think it would more likely deliver a remain result in a 2nd referendum. The "Brexit crossover day" thread is your baby. You posted it, no one else, you can own it. "Looks like you'll have to own this recent lie then.. There's no delight expressed by anyone about the commonly known and accepted fact that as a demographic the older generations tend to die before others.. | |||
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"You often call people odd or bizarre if they disagree with you so your reaction there is not unusual, pretty bog standard response from you to be honest. It's not odd or bizarre to disagree with someone, in fact disagreeing with others is very common. Given your comments on your other thread titled 'Brexit crossover day', where you appear to delight in Brexit voters and leave supporters dying off from old age, coupled with your comments on this thread it's fair and reasonable to say you are ageist or have an ageist attitude to this particular subject of Brexit. I'd go even further in saying you are bigoted towards old people and your bigotry towards them is plain to see. I call people odd when they behave oddly. When they make illogical comments. Little attempt at demonisation there? Too much time reading paranoid emotive headlines in your online information bubble?
I am not "delighting" in anyone's death. I am stating a demographic reality. People tend to die as they get older. Older people were more likely to vote leave.
Is this fake news or another thing that Brexit will miraculously solve?
What I found amusing is that you claim that the poll of Conservative party membership opinion of Brexit is pertinent to the country as a whole considering who they are...unless of course you think that this self selecting group should have a bigger say in government policy than Parliament.
Now, try and respond to the actual questions rather than shouting incoherently at imagined offence.
Where did I shout? Were any exclamation marks or capital letters used to emphasise shouting? Yet again you display your lack of understanding of the English language. This is a common occurrence with you. Try to respond coherently without imagined visions of others shouting.
Found a micro-victory to aim for rather than addressing the point that this time you even raised yourself? Some patterns of behaviour are very set aren't they?
Some repeated patterns of behaviour are very set, like your repeated pattern of behaviour of calling people odd if they disagree with you and your repeated pattern of behaviour of imagining others shouting when they haven't.
My 'Brexit crossover day' thread merely states a statistical calculation based on the fact that older people (as a generation rather than depending on actual age) were more likely to have voted remain and that as they die the demographic makes a remain vote more likely.
The underlying point is that Brexit is a particular case of an older generation dictating an almost irreversible path that the majority of those following disagree with.
In this thread I indicated that the opinion of Conservative party members due to their age and small numbers are not indicative of the country in general.
At no point have I indicated that I am pleased at anyone's death.
You have not, in any way, disputed any of the points that I have made. You have, instead, chosen to make shrill and baseless accusations using emotive language in a similar manner to your favourite online "news" publications. This, figuratively, is shouting. It does not require the, very literal, interpretation of using capitalisation and exclamation marks.
I do not think people odd if they disagree with me. I think them odd if they behave irrationally and illogically as you are demonstrating.
You posted a thread about old people dying, specifically leave voters. You delight in this as you think it would more likely deliver a remain result in a 2nd referendum. The "Brexit crossover day" thread is your baby. You posted it, no one else, you can own it.
Yadda, yadda.
I have already said that I am perfectly happy with that thread.
Repeating a baseless over and over doesn't make it true.
That is, of course, the easiest way to shut down debate and discussion.
I have not "delighted" at anyone's death. If you can indicate how I have expressed this it would be helpful.
Have you any information to suggest that the statistical calculation that links age to referendum voting is untrue?
You are underlining your odd and bizarre behaviour.
Have some quiet time."There is an old saying that you should 'practice what you preach'. It's you who needs to go have some quiet time and reflect on your Brexit crossover day thread. Wishing old people dead so you can get your own way on brexit is nothing to be proud of. And as you accuse me of shouting, even though I didn't use exclamation marks or capital letters, you still think reading between the lines that I shouted in the language I used, then that applies to you in the underlying language you've used reading between the lines it's more than obvious you delight in old brexit voters dying because you think it would be more likely to result in a 2nd referendum delivering a remain result. | |||
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"You often call people odd or bizarre if they disagree with you so your reaction there is not unusual, pretty bog standard response from you to be honest. It's not odd or bizarre to disagree with someone, in fact disagreeing with others is very common. Given your comments on your other thread titled 'Brexit crossover day', where you appear to delight in Brexit voters and leave supporters dying off from old age, coupled with your comments on this thread it's fair and reasonable to say you are ageist or have an ageist attitude to this particular subject of Brexit. I'd go even further in saying you are bigoted towards old people and your bigotry towards them is plain to see. I call people odd when they behave oddly. When they make illogical comments. Little attempt at demonisation there? Too much time reading paranoid emotive headlines in your online information bubble?
I am not "delighting" in anyone's death. I am stating a demographic reality. People tend to die as they get older. Older people were more likely to vote leave.
Is this fake news or another thing that Brexit will miraculously solve?
What I found amusing is that you claim that the poll of Conservative party membership opinion of Brexit is pertinent to the country as a whole considering who they are...unless of course you think that this self selecting group should have a bigger say in government policy than Parliament.
Now, try and respond to the actual questions rather than shouting incoherently at imagined offence.
Where did I shout? Were any exclamation marks or capital letters used to emphasise shouting? Yet again you display your lack of understanding of the English language. This is a common occurrence with you. Try to respond coherently without imagined visions of others shouting.
Found a micro-victory to aim for rather than addressing the point that this time you even raised yourself? Some patterns of behaviour are very set aren't they?
Some repeated patterns of behaviour are very set, like your repeated pattern of behaviour of calling people odd if they disagree with you and your repeated pattern of behaviour of imagining others shouting when they haven't.
My 'Brexit crossover day' thread merely states a statistical calculation based on the fact that older people (as a generation rather than depending on actual age) were more likely to have voted remain and that as they die the demographic makes a remain vote more likely.
The underlying point is that Brexit is a particular case of an older generation dictating an almost irreversible path that the majority of those following disagree with.
In this thread I indicated that the opinion of Conservative party members due to their age and small numbers are not indicative of the country in general.
At no point have I indicated that I am pleased at anyone's death.
You have not, in any way, disputed any of the points that I have made. You have, instead, chosen to make shrill and baseless accusations using emotive language in a similar manner to your favourite online "news" publications. This, figuratively, is shouting. It does not require the, very literal, interpretation of using capitalisation and exclamation marks.
I do not think people odd if they disagree with me. I think them odd if they behave irrationally and illogically as you are demonstrating.
You posted a thread about old people dying, specifically leave voters. You delight in this as you think it would more likely deliver a remain result in a 2nd referendum. The "Brexit crossover day" thread is your baby. You posted it, no one else, you can own it.
Yadda, yadda.
I have already said that I am perfectly happy with that thread.
Repeating a baseless over and over doesn't make it true.
That is, of course, the easiest way to shut down debate and discussion.
I have not "delighted" at anyone's death. If you can indicate how I have expressed this it would be helpful.
Have you any information to suggest that the statistical calculation that links age to referendum voting is untrue?
You are underlining your odd and bizarre behaviour.
Have some quiet time.
There is an old saying that you should 'practice what you preach'. It's you who needs to go have some quiet time and reflect on your Brexit crossover day thread. Wishing old people dead so you can get your own way on brexit is nothing to be proud of. And as you accuse me of shouting, even though I didn't use exclamation marks or capital letters, you still think reading between the lines that I shouted in the language I used, then that applies to you in the underlying language you've used reading between the lines it's more than obvious you delight in old brexit voters dying because you think it would be more likely to result in a 2nd referendum delivering a remain result. "There is, like watching Theresa May, a certain morbid fascination at watching you throw yourself at the same wall in the hope of a different outcome. However, all you have done is repeat the same nonsense again and again in an attempt to imply that I said or meant something that I did not. Rather than fill up this thread why not rant in the one that you are actually upset about? You have fun | |||
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"You often call people odd or bizarre if they disagree with you so your reaction there is not unusual, pretty bog standard response from you to be honest. It's not odd or bizarre to disagree with someone, in fact disagreeing with others is very common. Given your comments on your other thread titled 'Brexit crossover day', where you appear to delight in Brexit voters and leave supporters dying off from old age, coupled with your comments on this thread it's fair and reasonable to say you are ageist or have an ageist attitude to this particular subject of Brexit. I'd go even further in saying you are bigoted towards old people and your bigotry towards them is plain to see. I call people odd when they behave oddly. When they make illogical comments. Little attempt at demonisation there? Too much time reading paranoid emotive headlines in your online information bubble?
I am not "delighting" in anyone's death. I am stating a demographic reality. People tend to die as they get older. Older people were more likely to vote leave.
Is this fake news or another thing that Brexit will miraculously solve?
What I found amusing is that you claim that the poll of Conservative party membership opinion of Brexit is pertinent to the country as a whole considering who they are...unless of course you think that this self selecting group should have a bigger say in government policy than Parliament.
Now, try and respond to the actual questions rather than shouting incoherently at imagined offence.
Where did I shout? Were any exclamation marks or capital letters used to emphasise shouting? Yet again you display your lack of understanding of the English language. This is a common occurrence with you. Try to respond coherently without imagined visions of others shouting.
Found a micro-victory to aim for rather than addressing the point that this time you even raised yourself? Some patterns of behaviour are very set aren't they?
Some repeated patterns of behaviour are very set, like your repeated pattern of behaviour of calling people odd if they disagree with you and your repeated pattern of behaviour of imagining others shouting when they haven't.
My 'Brexit crossover day' thread merely states a statistical calculation based on the fact that older people (as a generation rather than depending on actual age) were more likely to have voted remain and that as they die the demographic makes a remain vote more likely.
The underlying point is that Brexit is a particular case of an older generation dictating an almost irreversible path that the majority of those following disagree with.
In this thread I indicated that the opinion of Conservative party members due to their age and small numbers are not indicative of the country in general.
At no point have I indicated that I am pleased at anyone's death.
You have not, in any way, disputed any of the points that I have made. You have, instead, chosen to make shrill and baseless accusations using emotive language in a similar manner to your favourite online "news" publications. This, figuratively, is shouting. It does not require the, very literal, interpretation of using capitalisation and exclamation marks.
I do not think people odd if they disagree with me. I think them odd if they behave irrationally and illogically as you are demonstrating.
You posted a thread about old people dying, specifically leave voters. You delight in this as you think it would more likely deliver a remain result in a 2nd referendum. The "Brexit crossover day" thread is your baby. You posted it, no one else, you can own it.
Yadda, yadda.
I have already said that I am perfectly happy with that thread.
Repeating a baseless over and over doesn't make it true.
That is, of course, the easiest way to shut down debate and discussion.
I have not "delighted" at anyone's death. If you can indicate how I have expressed this it would be helpful.
Have you any information to suggest that the statistical calculation that links age to referendum voting is untrue?
You are underlining your odd and bizarre behaviour.
Have some quiet time.
There is an old saying that you should 'practice what you preach'. It's you who needs to go have some quiet time and reflect on your Brexit crossover day thread. Wishing old people dead so you can get your own way on brexit is nothing to be proud of. And as you accuse me of shouting, even though I didn't use exclamation marks or capital letters, you still think reading between the lines that I shouted in the language I used, then that applies to you in the underlying language you've used reading between the lines it's more than obvious you delight in old brexit voters dying because you think it would be more likely to result in a 2nd referendum delivering a remain result.
There is, like watching Theresa May, a certain morbid fascination at watching you throw yourself at the same wall in the hope of a different outcome.
However, all you have done is repeat the same nonsense again and again in an attempt to imply that I said or meant something that I did not.
Rather than fill up this thread why not rant in the one that you are actually upset about?
You have fun "So you don't practice what you preach then. Thought you wouldn't to be fair. All you've done with the shouting thing is continue to post the same nonsense again and again, in an attempt to imply that I said or meant something that I did not. You're determined to apply standards to others which you don't think apply to yourself. | |||
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"You often call people odd or bizarre if they disagree with you so your reaction there is not unusual, pretty bog standard response from you to be honest. It's not odd or bizarre to disagree with someone, in fact disagreeing with others is very common. Given your comments on your other thread titled 'Brexit crossover day', where you appear to delight in Brexit voters and leave supporters dying off from old age, coupled with your comments on this thread it's fair and reasonable to say you are ageist or have an ageist attitude to this particular subject of Brexit. I'd go even further in saying you are bigoted towards old people and your bigotry towards them is plain to see. I call people odd when they behave oddly. When they make illogical comments. Little attempt at demonisation there? Too much time reading paranoid emotive headlines in your online information bubble?
I am not "delighting" in anyone's death. I am stating a demographic reality. People tend to die as they get older. Older people were more likely to vote leave.
Is this fake news or another thing that Brexit will miraculously solve?
What I found amusing is that you claim that the poll of Conservative party membership opinion of Brexit is pertinent to the country as a whole considering who they are...unless of course you think that this self selecting group should have a bigger say in government policy than Parliament.
Now, try and respond to the actual questions rather than shouting incoherently at imagined offence.
Where did I shout? Were any exclamation marks or capital letters used to emphasise shouting? Yet again you display your lack of understanding of the English language. This is a common occurrence with you. Try to respond coherently without imagined visions of others shouting.
Found a micro-victory to aim for rather than addressing the point that this time you even raised yourself? Some patterns of behaviour are very set aren't they?
Some repeated patterns of behaviour are very set, like your repeated pattern of behaviour of calling people odd if they disagree with you and your repeated pattern of behaviour of imagining others shouting when they haven't.
My 'Brexit crossover day' thread merely states a statistical calculation based on the fact that older people (as a generation rather than depending on actual age) were more likely to have voted remain and that as they die the demographic makes a remain vote more likely.
The underlying point is that Brexit is a particular case of an older generation dictating an almost irreversible path that the majority of those following disagree with.
In this thread I indicated that the opinion of Conservative party members due to their age and small numbers are not indicative of the country in general.
At no point have I indicated that I am pleased at anyone's death.
You have not, in any way, disputed any of the points that I have made. You have, instead, chosen to make shrill and baseless accusations using emotive language in a similar manner to your favourite online "news" publications. This, figuratively, is shouting. It does not require the, very literal, interpretation of using capitalisation and exclamation marks.
I do not think people odd if they disagree with me. I think them odd if they behave irrationally and illogically as you are demonstrating.
You posted a thread about old people dying, specifically leave voters. You delight in this as you think it would more likely deliver a remain result in a 2nd referendum. The "Brexit crossover day" thread is your baby. You posted it, no one else, you can own it.
Yadda, yadda.
I have already said that I am perfectly happy with that thread.
Repeating a baseless over and over doesn't make it true.
That is, of course, the easiest way to shut down debate and discussion.
I have not "delighted" at anyone's death. If you can indicate how I have expressed this it would be helpful.
Have you any information to suggest that the statistical calculation that links age to referendum voting is untrue?
You are underlining your odd and bizarre behaviour.
Have some quiet time.
There is an old saying that you should 'practice what you preach'. It's you who needs to go have some quiet time and reflect on your Brexit crossover day thread. Wishing old people dead so you can get your own way on brexit is nothing to be proud of. And as you accuse me of shouting, even though I didn't use exclamation marks or capital letters, you still think reading between the lines that I shouted in the language I used, then that applies to you in the underlying language you've used reading between the lines it's more than obvious you delight in old brexit voters dying because you think it would be more likely to result in a 2nd referendum delivering a remain result.
There is, like watching Theresa May, a certain morbid fascination at watching you throw yourself at the same wall in the hope of a different outcome.
However, all you have done is repeat the same nonsense again and again in an attempt to imply that I said or meant something that I did not.
Rather than fill up this thread why not rant in the one that you are actually upset about?
You have fun
So you don't practice what you preach then. Thought you wouldn't to be fair. All you've done with the shouting thing is continue to post the same nonsense again and again, in an attempt to imply that I said or meant something that I did not. You're determined to apply standards to others which you don't think apply to yourself. "There's a difference when what you say actually makes sense and is truthful. | |||
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"You often call people odd or bizarre if they disagree with you so your reaction there is not unusual, pretty bog standard response from you to be honest. It's not odd or bizarre to disagree with someone, in fact disagreeing with others is very common. Given your comments on your other thread titled 'Brexit crossover day', where you appear to delight in Brexit voters and leave supporters dying off from old age, coupled with your comments on this thread it's fair and reasonable to say you are ageist or have an ageist attitude to this particular subject of Brexit. I'd go even further in saying you are bigoted towards old people and your bigotry towards them is plain to see. I call people odd when they behave oddly. When they make illogical comments. Little attempt at demonisation there? Too much time reading paranoid emotive headlines in your online information bubble?
I am not "delighting" in anyone's death. I am stating a demographic reality. People tend to die as they get older. Older people were more likely to vote leave.
Is this fake news or another thing that Brexit will miraculously solve?
What I found amusing is that you claim that the poll of Conservative party membership opinion of Brexit is pertinent to the country as a whole considering who they are...unless of course you think that this self selecting group should have a bigger say in government policy than Parliament.
Now, try and respond to the actual questions rather than shouting incoherently at imagined offence.
Where did I shout? Were any exclamation marks or capital letters used to emphasise shouting? Yet again you display your lack of understanding of the English language. This is a common occurrence with you. Try to respond coherently without imagined visions of others shouting.
Found a micro-victory to aim for rather than addressing the point that this time you even raised yourself? Some patterns of behaviour are very set aren't they?
Some repeated patterns of behaviour are very set, like your repeated pattern of behaviour of calling people odd if they disagree with you and your repeated pattern of behaviour of imagining others shouting when they haven't.
My 'Brexit crossover day' thread merely states a statistical calculation based on the fact that older people (as a generation rather than depending on actual age) were more likely to have voted remain and that as they die the demographic makes a remain vote more likely.
The underlying point is that Brexit is a particular case of an older generation dictating an almost irreversible path that the majority of those following disagree with.
In this thread I indicated that the opinion of Conservative party members due to their age and small numbers are not indicative of the country in general.
At no point have I indicated that I am pleased at anyone's death.
You have not, in any way, disputed any of the points that I have made. You have, instead, chosen to make shrill and baseless accusations using emotive language in a similar manner to your favourite online "news" publications. This, figuratively, is shouting. It does not require the, very literal, interpretation of using capitalisation and exclamation marks.
I do not think people odd if they disagree with me. I think them odd if they behave irrationally and illogically as you are demonstrating.
You posted a thread about old people dying, specifically leave voters. You delight in this as you think it would more likely deliver a remain result in a 2nd referendum. The "Brexit crossover day" thread is your baby. You posted it, no one else, you can own it.
Yadda, yadda.
I have already said that I am perfectly happy with that thread.
Repeating a baseless over and over doesn't make it true.
That is, of course, the easiest way to shut down debate and discussion.
I have not "delighted" at anyone's death. If you can indicate how I have expressed this it would be helpful.
Have you any information to suggest that the statistical calculation that links age to referendum voting is untrue?
You are underlining your odd and bizarre behaviour.
Have some quiet time.
There is an old saying that you should 'practice what you preach'. It's you who needs to go have some quiet time and reflect on your Brexit crossover day thread. Wishing old people dead so you can get your own way on brexit is nothing to be proud of. And as you accuse me of shouting, even though I didn't use exclamation marks or capital letters, you still think reading between the lines that I shouted in the language I used, then that applies to you in the underlying language you've used reading between the lines it's more than obvious you delight in old brexit voters dying because you think it would be more likely to result in a 2nd referendum delivering a remain result.
There is, like watching Theresa May, a certain morbid fascination at watching you throw yourself at the same wall in the hope of a different outcome.
However, all you have done is repeat the same nonsense again and again in an attempt to imply that I said or meant something that I did not.
Rather than fill up this thread why not rant in the one that you are actually upset about?
You have fun
So you don't practice what you preach then. Thought you wouldn't to be fair. All you've done with the shouting thing is continue to post the same nonsense again and again, in an attempt to imply that I said or meant something that I did not. You're determined to apply standards to others which you don't think apply to yourself.
There's a difference when what you say actually makes sense and is truthful."When the standard response is to lie because they lack the counter argument it becomes tediously predictable.. | |||
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