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"Here is another way to look at it. There is a very large market at the moment, covering some 30-odd countries - the EU28 plus those in EEA or EFTA or whatever its called. It is worth $20 trillion a year, with one set of regulations and one set of commercial law. As of 11pm on March 29, this will split into two separate markets. One worth $17 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law, and one worth $3 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law. How easy will it be for a business in, say, Denmark to sell into the UK, and vice versa? No-one knows - this is a problem. Will it be easier to export to the UK, or do they need to have capacity based in the UK? No-one knows - this is a problem. If a business decides it does need a subsidiary in the UK market in addition to its principal business in the EU+ market, what are the rules about EU nationals moving to the UK to work? No-one knows - this is another problem. Businesses are not making investment decisions because Britain cannot decide. It has known for 4 years that leaving is a possibility, and known for 2.5 years it is a reality, yet still business is none the wiser what the future looks like. Is that the kind of rudderless, destabilised country you'd want to invest in? " Maybe if those who voted remain had said look we wanted to stay in but now accept the result and will work to ensure that leaving is a succes we would have had it all sorted, at no point have I heard any remain MP present or past put forward any constructive ideas,rather they just come up with more doom and gloom, well guys it is going to happen so lets all work together and make it work | |||
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"Here is another way to look at it. There is a very large market at the moment, covering some 30-odd countries - the EU28 plus those in EEA or EFTA or whatever its called. It is worth $20 trillion a year, with one set of regulations and one set of commercial law. As of 11pm on March 29, this will split into two separate markets. One worth $17 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law, and one worth $3 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law. How easy will it be for a business in, say, Denmark to sell into the UK, and vice versa? No-one knows - this is a problem. Will it be easier to export to the UK, or do they need to have capacity based in the UK? No-one knows - this is a problem. Maybe if those who voted remain had said look we wanted to stay in but now accept the result and will work to ensure that leaving is a succes we would have had it all sorted, at no point have I heard any remain MP present or past put forward any constructive ideas,rather they just come up with more doom and gloom, well guys it is going to happen so lets all work together and make it work" The problem, I think, is that Brexit was not defined. Not in the 2016 referendum nor in the 9 months before the Article 50 letter was delivered. May tried to get a mandate for her interpretation in 2017 and that backfired. Brexit means Brexit is a feckin riddle that no-one has solved. Consequently, everyone is left trying to find what they see as the least worst option. There is no consensus. That is a shocking failure of leadership. | |||
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"Serious question folks. We hear about uk companies setting up new subsidies, operations etc in the EU, apparently die go fears of reduced accessibility to the Eu market after brexit (tariffs, fiction etc) But are Eu based companies doing it the other way. Eg setting up a subsidy/operations in the uk to keep access to the uk open easily. After all we are a significant trading partner ... even without the hyperbole. " I like lamp | |||
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"Here is another way to look at it. There is a very large market at the moment, covering some 30-odd countries - the EU28 plus those in EEA or EFTA or whatever its called. It is worth $20 trillion a year, with one set of regulations and one set of commercial law. As of 11pm on March 29, this will split into two separate markets. One worth $17 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law, and one worth $3 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law. How easy will it be for a business in, say, Denmark to sell into the UK, and vice versa? No-one knows - this is a problem. Will it be easier to export to the UK, or do they need to have capacity based in the UK? No-one knows - this is a problem. If a business decides it does need a subsidiary in the UK market in addition to its principal business in the EU+ market, what are the rules about EU nationals moving to the UK to work? No-one knows - this is another problem. Businesses are not making investment decisions because Britain cannot decide. It has known for 4 years that leaving is a possibility, and known for 2.5 years it is a reality, yet still business is none the wiser what the future looks like. Is that the kind of rudderless, destabilised country you'd want to invest in? Maybe if those who voted remain had said look we wanted to stay in but now accept the result and will work to ensure that leaving is a succes we would have had it all sorted, at no point have I heard any remain MP present or past put forward any constructive ideas,rather they just come up with more doom and gloom, well guys it is going to happen so lets all work together and make it work" Maybe if Leave had not broken the law they would have? | |||
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"Here is another way to look at it. There is a very large market at the moment, covering some 30-odd countries - the EU28 plus those in EEA or EFTA or whatever its called. It is worth $20 trillion a year, with one set of regulations and one set of commercial law. As of 11pm on March 29, this will split into two separate markets. One worth $17 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law, and one worth $3 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law. How easy will it be for a business in, say, Denmark to sell into the UK, and vice versa? No-one knows - this is a problem. Will it be easier to export to the UK, or do they need to have capacity based in the UK? No-one knows - this is a problem. If a business decides it does need a subsidiary in the UK market in addition to its principal business in the EU+ market, what are the rules about EU nationals moving to the UK to work? No-one knows - this is another problem. Businesses are not making investment decisions because Britain cannot decide. It has known for 4 years that leaving is a possibility, and known for 2.5 years it is a reality, yet still business is none the wiser what the future looks like. Is that the kind of rudderless, destabilised country you'd want to invest in? Maybe if those who voted remain had said look we wanted to stay in but now accept the result and will work to ensure that leaving is a succes we would have had it all sorted, at no point have I heard any remain MP present or past put forward any constructive ideas,rather they just come up with more doom and gloom, well guys it is going to happen so lets all work together and make it work" Maybe if leave didn't start by shouting "you lost, get over it"? Maybe if the Conservative party and Theresa May hadn't said "Brexit means Brexit"? Perhaps if it was treated as more than an internal party matter? Perhaps if government had consulted across party and referendum lines two years ago? That didn't happen, did it? | |||
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"Solution to all the problems! Ok if we split the UK up on a 52/48 basis, all leavers live in their end, and remainers in the other bit? We can build a wall, so there is no chance of either side mingling, and we can have 1 border crossing. The two countries, European Britain, for remainers in the customers union, and Great Britain for leavers. Sorted, but remain get the side closest to Europe - fair ?" Don't think the SNP would be happy with that. Arguably the closet 'bit' to Europe is Northern Ireland as it's the only part of the UK that has a land border with the EU (other than Gibraltar). A border of sorts is already there in Britain with Hadrians wall so just rebuild that. As England and Wales voted majority Leave these are the bits Leavers should get. Remainers can have Scotland and Northern Ireland - fair? | |||
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"Here is another way to look at it. There is a very large market at the moment, covering some 30-odd countries - the EU28 plus those in EEA or EFTA or whatever its called. It is worth $20 trillion a year, with one set of regulations and one set of commercial law. As of 11pm on March 29, this will split into two separate markets. One worth $17 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law, and one worth $3 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law. How easy will it be for a business in, say, Denmark to sell into the UK, and vice versa? No-one knows - this is a problem. Will it be easier to export to the UK, or do they need to have capacity based in the UK? No-one knows - this is a problem. If a business decides it does need a subsidiary in the UK market in addition to its principal business in the EU+ market, what are the rules about EU nationals moving to the UK to work? No-one knows - this is another problem. Businesses are not making investment decisions because Britain cannot decide. It has known for 4 years that leaving is a possibility, and known for 2.5 years it is a reality, yet still business is none the wiser what the future looks like. Is that the kind of rudderless, destabilised country you'd want to invest in? Maybe if those who voted remain had said look we wanted to stay in but now accept the result and will work to ensure that leaving is a succes we would have had it all sorted, at no point have I heard any remain MP present or past put forward any constructive ideas,rather they just come up with more doom and gloom, well guys it is going to happen so lets all work together and make it work Maybe if Leave had not broken the law they would have?" Maybe if remain hadn't got an extra £9 million quid from the government for a pro EU propaganda leaflet that was delivered to every house in the UK, which was not equally afforded to the Leave side then Leave campaigns wouldn't have felt cheated in the first place! | |||
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"Here is another way to look at it. There is a very large market at the moment, covering some 30-odd countries - the EU28 plus those in EEA or EFTA or whatever its called. It is worth $20 trillion a year, with one set of regulations and one set of commercial law. As of 11pm on March 29, this will split into two separate markets. One worth $17 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law, and one worth $3 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law. How easy will it be for a business in, say, Denmark to sell into the UK, and vice versa? No-one knows - this is a problem. Will it be easier to export to the UK, or do they need to have capacity based in the UK? No-one knows - this is a problem. If a business decides it does need a subsidiary in the UK market in addition to its principal business in the EU+ market, what are the rules about EU nationals moving to the UK to work? No-one knows - this is another problem. Businesses are not making investment decisions because Britain cannot decide. It has known for 4 years that leaving is a possibility, and known for 2.5 years it is a reality, yet still business is none the wiser what the future looks like. Is that the kind of rudderless, destabilised country you'd want to invest in? Maybe if those who voted remain had said look we wanted to stay in but now accept the result and will work to ensure that leaving is a succes we would have had it all sorted, at no point have I heard any remain MP present or past put forward any constructive ideas,rather they just come up with more doom and gloom, well guys it is going to happen so lets all work together and make it work Maybe if Leave had not broken the law they would have? Maybe if remain hadn't got an extra £9 million quid from the government for a pro EU propaganda leaflet that was delivered to every house in the UK, which was not equally afforded to the Leave side then Leave campaigns wouldn't have felt cheated in the first place! " That was LEGAL - that's the difference! | |||
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"Here is another way to look at it. There is a very large market at the moment, covering some 30-odd countries - the EU28 plus those in EEA or EFTA or whatever its called. It is worth $20 trillion a year, with one set of regulations and one set of commercial law. As of 11pm on March 29, this will split into two separate markets. One worth $17 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law, and one worth $3 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law. How easy will it be for a business in, say, Denmark to sell into the UK, and vice versa? No-one knows - this is a problem. Will it be easier to export to the UK, or do they need to have capacity based in the UK? No-one knows - this is a problem. If a business decides it does need a subsidiary in the UK market in addition to its principal business in the EU+ market, what are the rules about EU nationals moving to the UK to work? No-one knows - this is another problem. Businesses are not making investment decisions because Britain cannot decide. It has known for 4 years that leaving is a possibility, and known for 2.5 years it is a reality, yet still business is none the wiser what the future looks like. Is that the kind of rudderless, destabilised country you'd want to invest in? Maybe if those who voted remain had said look we wanted to stay in but now accept the result and will work to ensure that leaving is a succes we would have had it all sorted, at no point have I heard any remain MP present or past put forward any constructive ideas,rather they just come up with more doom and gloom, well guys it is going to happen so lets all work together and make it work Maybe if Leave had not broken the law they would have? Maybe if remain hadn't got an extra £9 million quid from the government for a pro EU propaganda leaflet that was delivered to every house in the UK, which was not equally afforded to the Leave side then Leave campaigns wouldn't have felt cheated in the first place! That was LEGAL - that's the difference!" That doesn't make it morally right. It was deeply unfair and you and other remoaners know it. | |||
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"Here is another way to look at it. There is a very large market at the moment, covering some 30-odd countries - the EU28 plus those in EEA or EFTA or whatever its called. It is worth $20 trillion a year, with one set of regulations and one set of commercial law. As of 11pm on March 29, this will split into two separate markets. One worth $17 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law, and one worth $3 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law. How easy will it be for a business in, say, Denmark to sell into the UK, and vice versa? No-one knows - this is a problem. Will it be easier to export to the UK, or do they need to have capacity based in the UK? No-one knows - this is a problem. If a business decides it does need a subsidiary in the UK market in addition to its principal business in the EU+ market, what are the rules about EU nationals moving to the UK to work? No-one knows - this is another problem. Businesses are not making investment decisions because Britain cannot decide. It has known for 4 years that leaving is a possibility, and known for 2.5 years it is a reality, yet still business is none the wiser what the future looks like. Is that the kind of rudderless, destabilised country you'd want to invest in? Maybe if those who voted remain had said look we wanted to stay in but now accept the result and will work to ensure that leaving is a succes we would have had it all sorted, at no point have I heard any remain MP present or past put forward any constructive ideas,rather they just come up with more doom and gloom, well guys it is going to happen so lets all work together and make it work Maybe if Leave had not broken the law they would have? Maybe if remain hadn't got an extra £9 million quid from the government for a pro EU propaganda leaflet that was delivered to every house in the UK, which was not equally afforded to the Leave side then Leave campaigns wouldn't have felt cheated in the first place! That was LEGAL - that's the difference! That doesn't make it morally right. It was deeply unfair and you and other remoaners know it. " Don't talk about morality when Farage put up posters and distributed leaflets with pictures of brown skinned refugees and maps including Syria and Iraq during an EU referendum. | |||
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"Here is another way to look at it. There is a very large market at the moment, covering some 30-odd countries - the EU28 plus those in EEA or EFTA or whatever its called. It is worth $20 trillion a year, with one set of regulations and one set of commercial law. As of 11pm on March 29, this will split into two separate markets. One worth $17 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law, and one worth $3 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law. How easy will it be for a business in, say, Denmark to sell into the UK, and vice versa? No-one knows - this is a problem. Will it be easier to export to the UK, or do they need to have capacity based in the UK? No-one knows - this is a problem. If a business decides it does need a subsidiary in the UK market in addition to its principal business in the EU+ market, what are the rules about EU nationals moving to the UK to work? No-one knows - this is another problem. Businesses are not making investment decisions because Britain cannot decide. It has known for 4 years that leaving is a possibility, and known for 2.5 years it is a reality, yet still business is none the wiser what the future looks like. Is that the kind of rudderless, destabilised country you'd want to invest in? Maybe if those who voted remain had said look we wanted to stay in but now accept the result and will work to ensure that leaving is a succes we would have had it all sorted, at no point have I heard any remain MP present or past put forward any constructive ideas,rather they just come up with more doom and gloom, well guys it is going to happen so lets all work together and make it work Maybe if Leave had not broken the law they would have? Maybe if remain hadn't got an extra £9 million quid from the government for a pro EU propaganda leaflet that was delivered to every house in the UK, which was not equally afforded to the Leave side then Leave campaigns wouldn't have felt cheated in the first place! That was LEGAL - that's the difference! That doesn't make it morally right. It was deeply unfair and you and other remoaners know it. " Well leave ran illegal campaigns and therefore both immoral and illegal - fact! If remain had won 52/48 and been found to have broken the law what would YOU feel? As your hero said halfway through the count "if its 52/48 it's not over" - so threats before the result was even known. Finally, if there is another referendum the government will probably produce another leaflet advocating May's deal or No deal as there policy is to leave! Cameron and his government were for remain. It is also the government's responsibility to advise the public of their position and what they feel is best for the country! So you could have a legal leave leaflet funded by the government! | |||
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"Here is another way to look at it. There is a very large market at the moment, covering some 30-odd countries - the EU28 plus those in EEA or EFTA or whatever its called. It is worth $20 trillion a year, with one set of regulations and one set of commercial law. As of 11pm on March 29, this will split into two separate markets. One worth $17 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law, and one worth $3 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law. How easy will it be for a business in, say, Denmark to sell into the UK, and vice versa? No-one knows - this is a problem. Will it be easier to export to the UK, or do they need to have capacity based in the UK? No-one knows - this is a problem. If a business decides it does need a subsidiary in the UK market in addition to its principal business in the EU+ market, what are the rules about EU nationals moving to the UK to work? No-one knows - this is another problem. Businesses are not making investment decisions because Britain cannot decide. It has known for 4 years that leaving is a possibility, and known for 2.5 years it is a reality, yet still business is none the wiser what the future looks like. Is that the kind of rudderless, destabilised country you'd want to invest in? Maybe if those who voted remain had said look we wanted to stay in but now accept the result and will work to ensure that leaving is a succes we would have had it all sorted, at no point have I heard any remain MP present or past put forward any constructive ideas,rather they just come up with more doom and gloom, well guys it is going to happen so lets all work together and make it work Maybe if Leave had not broken the law they would have? Maybe if remain hadn't got an extra £9 million quid from the government for a pro EU propaganda leaflet that was delivered to every house in the UK, which was not equally afforded to the Leave side then Leave campaigns wouldn't have felt cheated in the first place! That was LEGAL - that's the difference! That doesn't make it morally right. It was deeply unfair and you and other remoaners know it. Don't talk about morality when Farage put up posters and distributed leaflets with pictures of brown skinned refugees and maps including Syria and Iraq during an EU referendum." I'll talk about whatever I like fella. Those posters highlighted the failings of the EU over the migration crisis, which the EU still hasn't dealt with now. The British people need to be informed of these failings in the EU. If you want to talk about racist, morally questionable posters then have a look at the Remain campaign poster designed by Saatchi and Saatchi for the operation black vote part of remain during the referendum. It featured a young white skin head wearing skin tight jeans and Dr Martin boots pointing angrily at a frail little old Indian lady on the other end of a see saw. Even Mayor of London Sadiq Khan distanced himself from it and said it reinforced racial stereotypes. | |||
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"Here is another way to look at it. There is a very large market at the moment, covering some 30-odd countries - the EU28 plus those in EEA or EFTA or whatever its called. It is worth $20 trillion a year, with one set of regulations and one set of commercial law. As of 11pm on March 29, this will split into two separate markets. One worth $17 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law, and one worth $3 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law. How easy will it be for a business in, say, Denmark to sell into the UK, and vice versa? No-one knows - this is a problem. Will it be easier to export to the UK, or do they need to have capacity based in the UK? No-one knows - this is a problem. If a business decides it does need a subsidiary in the UK market in addition to its principal business in the EU+ market, what are the rules about EU nationals moving to the UK to work? No-one knows - this is another problem. Businesses are not making investment decisions because Britain cannot decide. It has known for 4 years that leaving is a possibility, and known for 2.5 years it is a reality, yet still business is none the wiser what the future looks like. Is that the kind of rudderless, destabilised country you'd want to invest in? Maybe if those who voted remain had said look we wanted to stay in but now accept the result and will work to ensure that leaving is a succes we would have had it all sorted, at no point have I heard any remain MP present or past put forward any constructive ideas,rather they just come up with more doom and gloom, well guys it is going to happen so lets all work together and make it work Maybe if Leave had not broken the law they would have? Maybe if remain hadn't got an extra £9 million quid from the government for a pro EU propaganda leaflet that was delivered to every house in the UK, which was not equally afforded to the Leave side then Leave campaigns wouldn't have felt cheated in the first place! That was LEGAL - that's the difference! That doesn't make it morally right. It was deeply unfair and you and other remoaners know it. Well leave ran illegal campaigns and therefore both immoral and illegal - fact! If remain had won 52/48 and been found to have broken the law what would YOU feel? As your hero said halfway through the count "if its 52/48 it's not over" - so threats before the result was even known. Finally, if there is another referendum the government will probably produce another leaflet advocating May's deal or No deal as there policy is to leave! Cameron and his government were for remain. It is also the government's responsibility to advise the public of their position and what they feel is best for the country! So you could have a legal leave leaflet funded by the government!" Won't happen as there won't be a 2nd referendum. 
The overspend by the leave campaigns was morally justified in my opinion as it evened up the balance for the £9 million of taxpayers money Cameron gave to remain. | |||
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"Here is another way to look at it. There is a very large market at the moment, covering some 30-odd countries - the EU28 plus those in EEA or EFTA or whatever its called. It is worth $20 trillion a year, with one set of regulations and one set of commercial law. As of 11pm on March 29, this will split into two separate markets. One worth $17 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law, and one worth $3 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law. How easy will it be for a business in, say, Denmark to sell into the UK, and vice versa? No-one knows - this is a problem. Will it be easier to export to the UK, or do they need to have capacity based in the UK? No-one knows - this is a problem. If a business decides it does need a subsidiary in the UK market in addition to its principal business in the EU+ market, what are the rules about EU nationals moving to the UK to work? No-one knows - this is another problem. Businesses are not making investment decisions because Britain cannot decide. It has known for 4 years that leaving is a possibility, and known for 2.5 years it is a reality, yet still business is none the wiser what the future looks like. Is that the kind of rudderless, destabilised country you'd want to invest in? Maybe if those who voted remain had said look we wanted to stay in but now accept the result and will work to ensure that leaving is a succes we would have had it all sorted, at no point have I heard any remain MP present or past put forward any constructive ideas,rather they just come up with more doom and gloom, well guys it is going to happen so lets all work together and make it work Maybe if Leave had not broken the law they would have? Maybe if remain hadn't got an extra £9 million quid from the government for a pro EU propaganda leaflet that was delivered to every house in the UK, which was not equally afforded to the Leave side then Leave campaigns wouldn't have felt cheated in the first place! That was LEGAL - that's the difference! That doesn't make it morally right. It was deeply unfair and you and other remoaners know it. Don't talk about morality when Farage put up posters and distributed leaflets with pictures of brown skinned refugees and maps including Syria and Iraq during an EU referendum." This.. | |||
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"Here is another way to look at it. There is a very large market at the moment, covering some 30-odd countries - the EU28 plus those in EEA or EFTA or whatever its called. It is worth $20 trillion a year, with one set of regulations and one set of commercial law. As of 11pm on March 29, this will split into two separate markets. One worth $17 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law, and one worth $3 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law. How easy will it be for a business in, say, Denmark to sell into the UK, and vice versa? No-one knows - this is a problem. Will it be easier to export to the UK, or do they need to have capacity based in the UK? No-one knows - this is a problem. If a business decides it does need a subsidiary in the UK market in addition to its principal business in the EU+ market, what are the rules about EU nationals moving to the UK to work? No-one knows - this is another problem. Businesses are not making investment decisions because Britain cannot decide. It has known for 4 years that leaving is a possibility, and known for 2.5 years it is a reality, yet still business is none the wiser what the future looks like. Is that the kind of rudderless, destabilised country you'd want to invest in? Maybe if those who voted remain had said look we wanted to stay in but now accept the result and will work to ensure that leaving is a succes we would have had it all sorted, at no point have I heard any remain MP present or past put forward any constructive ideas,rather they just come up with more doom and gloom, well guys it is going to happen so lets all work together and make it work Maybe if Leave had not broken the law they would have? Maybe if remain hadn't got an extra £9 million quid from the government for a pro EU propaganda leaflet that was delivered to every house in the UK, which was not equally afforded to the Leave side then Leave campaigns wouldn't have felt cheated in the first place! That was LEGAL - that's the difference! That doesn't make it morally right. It was deeply unfair and you and other remoaners know it. Don't talk about morality when Farage put up posters and distributed leaflets with pictures of brown skinned refugees and maps including Syria and Iraq during an EU referendum. This.. " With all the other hyperbole recently, I’d forgotten that one. Farage has no morals  | |||
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"Here is another way to look at it. There is a very large market at the moment, covering some 30-odd countries - the EU28 plus those in EEA or EFTA or whatever its called. It is worth $20 trillion a year, with one set of regulations and one set of commercial law. As of 11pm on March 29, this will split into two separate markets. One worth $17 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law, and one worth $3 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law. How easy will it be for a business in, say, Denmark to sell into the UK, and vice versa? No-one knows - this is a problem. Will it be easier to export to the UK, or do they need to have capacity based in the UK? No-one knows - this is a problem. If a business decides it does need a subsidiary in the UK market in addition to its principal business in the EU+ market, what are the rules about EU nationals moving to the UK to work? No-one knows - this is another problem. Businesses are not making investment decisions because Britain cannot decide. It has known for 4 years that leaving is a possibility, and known for 2.5 years it is a reality, yet still business is none the wiser what the future looks like. Is that the kind of rudderless, destabilised country you'd want to invest in? Maybe if those who voted remain had said look we wanted to stay in but now accept the result and will work to ensure that leaving is a succes we would have had it all sorted, at no point have I heard any remain MP present or past put forward any constructive ideas,rather they just come up with more doom and gloom, well guys it is going to happen so lets all work together and make it work Maybe if Leave had not broken the law they would have? Maybe if remain hadn't got an extra £9 million quid from the government for a pro EU propaganda leaflet that was delivered to every house in the UK, which was not equally afforded to the Leave side then Leave campaigns wouldn't have felt cheated in the first place! That was LEGAL - that's the difference! That doesn't make it morally right. It was deeply unfair and you and other remoaners know it. Don't talk about morality when Farage put up posters and distributed leaflets with pictures of brown skinned refugees and maps including Syria and Iraq during an EU referendum. I'll talk about whatever I like fella. Those posters highlighted the failings of the EU over the migration crisis, which the EU still hasn't dealt with now. The British people need to be informed of these failings in the EU. If you want to talk about racist, morally questionable posters then have a look at the Remain campaign poster designed by Saatchi and Saatchi for the operation black vote part of remain during the referendum. It featured a young white skin head wearing skin tight jeans and Dr Martin boots pointing angrily at a frail little old Indian lady on the other end of a see saw. Even Mayor of London Sadiq Khan distanced himself from it and said it reinforced racial stereotypes. " You are hilarious. The EU are responsible for a civil war in Syria? They haven't solved it? By doing what? What's tour solution? You don't when want any international aid spending. All those hundreds who made it here just lounging around idly not being bombed. Which racial stereotype does it reinforce? That Asians are women? That white men are angry? Get a grip. Leave project fear writ big yet you keep claiming that only remain played that game. You are incapable of doing anything except repeat your own propaganda. Leave project fear was far more effective than remain project fear because it was focused on people. It put a face to it. That is genuinely nasty. | |||
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"Actually no business will move into or out of the UK as a knee jerk reaction to Brexit. Any decision about location will be considered after the dust has settled and a rational way forward for each company emerges. There is a lot of project fear from Remainers and Leavers in the air. " Actually businesses will and have relocated offices. The UK will cease to be the European headquarters of pretty much every company that has one. That's rather the point isn't it? It won't happen, but it will over time. The jobs will still go. The investment will still go elsewhere. | |||
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"250 companies in talks with the Dutch Government about relocating that will be more job losses." Take It you didn't hear the latest UK jobs figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) the other day then. Employment levels in the UK are at a record high and unemployment is now at its lowest level since 1975. | |||
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"Here is another way to look at it. There is a very large market at the moment, covering some 30-odd countries - the EU28 plus those in EEA or EFTA or whatever its called. It is worth $20 trillion a year, with one set of regulations and one set of commercial law. As of 11pm on March 29, this will split into two separate markets. One worth $17 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law, and one worth $3 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law. How easy will it be for a business in, say, Denmark to sell into the UK, and vice versa? No-one knows - this is a problem. Will it be easier to export to the UK, or do they need to have capacity based in the UK? No-one knows - this is a problem. If a business decides it does need a subsidiary in the UK market in addition to its principal business in the EU+ market, what are the rules about EU nationals moving to the UK to work? No-one knows - this is another problem. Businesses are not making investment decisions because Britain cannot decide. It has known for 4 years that leaving is a possibility, and known for 2.5 years it is a reality, yet still business is none the wiser what the future looks like. Is that the kind of rudderless, destabilised country you'd want to invest in? Maybe if those who voted remain had said look we wanted to stay in but now accept the result and will work to ensure that leaving is a succes we would have had it all sorted, at no point have I heard any remain MP present or past put forward any constructive ideas,rather they just come up with more doom and gloom, well guys it is going to happen so lets all work together and make it work Maybe if Leave had not broken the law they would have? Maybe if remain hadn't got an extra £9 million quid from the government for a pro EU propaganda leaflet that was delivered to every house in the UK, which was not equally afforded to the Leave side then Leave campaigns wouldn't have felt cheated in the first place! That was LEGAL - that's the difference! That doesn't make it morally right. It was deeply unfair and you and other remoaners know it. Don't talk about morality when Farage put up posters and distributed leaflets with pictures of brown skinned refugees and maps including Syria and Iraq during an EU referendum. I'll talk about whatever I like fella. Those posters highlighted the failings of the EU over the migration crisis, which the EU still hasn't dealt with now. The British people need to be informed of these failings in the EU. If you want to talk about racist, morally questionable posters then have a look at the Remain campaign poster designed by Saatchi and Saatchi for the operation black vote part of remain during the referendum. It featured a young white skin head wearing skin tight jeans and Dr Martin boots pointing angrily at a frail little old Indian lady on the other end of a see saw. Even Mayor of London Sadiq Khan distanced himself from it and said it reinforced racial stereotypes. You are hilarious. The EU are responsible for a civil war in Syria? They haven't solved it? By doing what? What's tour solution? You don't when want any international aid spending. All those hundreds who made it here just lounging around idly not being bombed. Which racial stereotype does it reinforce? That Asians are women? That white men are angry? Get a grip. Leave project fear writ big yet you keep claiming that only remain played that game. You are incapable of doing anything except repeat your own propaganda. Leave project fear was far more effective than remain project fear because it was focused on people. It put a face to it. That is genuinely nasty." Don't play dumb, I wasn't suggesting the EU were responsible for the civil war in Syria. The EU's failings with regard to the migration crisis is not putting up adequate barriers to stop them coming in (that's what Farage's posters highlighted). It was a failing of EU policy which lead to individual nation states in Europe taking matters into their own hands putting up their own border controls in the schengen zone. The EU to this day still haven't dealt with it and it is still ongoing. Only an average of 3 out of every 10 applications for refugee status is successful, so 7 out of 10 are not genuine refugees, they are economic migrants. As for the racist remain poster designed by Saatchi and Saatchi ask Mayor of London what racial stereotypes it reinforced, it was his reaction to seeing the poster. | |||
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"250 companies in talks with the Dutch Government about relocating that will be more job losses. Take It you didn't hear the latest UK jobs figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) the other day then. Employment levels in the UK are at a record high and unemployment is now at its lowest level since 1975. They wouldnt read that they cant blame it on brexit. "It’s good news... it’s been trending this way for a while now. Long may it continue.  and with vacancies at a high too, it probably will.
Real wage increase also announced (although this has had a bumpier rise in the last few years).
The dyson story is only a story as we was the business poster boy of Brexit. Along with the wetherspoon fella. All this does is put a question mark on how “positive” brexit will be; to me it’s a sensible business decision based on logistics, but doesn’t show in itself brexit is a negative. But we have some big challenges ahead regardless ...
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"250 companies in talks with the Dutch Government about relocating that will be more job losses. Take It you didn't hear the latest UK jobs figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) the other day then. Employment levels in the UK are at a record high and unemployment is now at its lowest level since 1975. They wouldnt read that they cant blame it on brexit.
It’s good news... it’s been trending this way for a while now. Long may it continue. and with vacancies at a high too, it probably will.
Real wage increase also announced (although this has had a bumpier rise in the last few years).
The dyson story is only a story as we was the business poster boy of Brexit. Along with the wetherspoon fella. All this does is put a question mark on how “positive” brexit will be; to me it’s a sensible business decision based on logistics, but doesn’t show in itself brexit is a negative. But we have some big challenges ahead regardless ...
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"250 companies in talks with the Dutch Government about relocating that will be more job losses. Take It you didn't hear the latest UK jobs figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) the other day then. Employment levels in the UK are at a record high and unemployment is now at its lowest level since 1975. They wouldnt read that they cant blame it on brexit.
It’s good news... it’s been trending this way for a while now. Long may it continue. and with vacancies at a high too, it probably will.
Real wage increase also announced (although this has had a bumpier rise in the last few years).
The dyson story is only a story as we was the business poster boy of Brexit. Along with the wetherspoon fella. All this does is put a question mark on how “positive” brexit will be; to me it’s a sensible business decision based on logistics, but doesn’t show in itself brexit is a negative. But we have some big challenges ahead regardless ...
Have to say it's a bit rich of remainers to target people like Dyson and Tim Martin of Wetherspoons, when people like Richard Branson and David Beckham supported remain and they don't live in the UK. "This is just my view, but dyson was the voice of business and has made a business decision to move HQs out of the UK. The message and the actions are related. They were also THE poster boys to negate the remainers broader church. If Branson sang the praises of EUs working hours directive, and then didn’t follow the spirit it were to be removed, I’d say that would be a better comparison. But you’re right. There are “hypocrites” on both sides. Some are doing it in broader daylight. | |||
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"250 companies in talks with the Dutch Government about relocating that will be more job losses. Take It you didn't hear the latest UK jobs figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) the other day then. Employment levels in the UK are at a record high and unemployment is now at its lowest level since 1975. They wouldnt read that they cant blame it on brexit.
It’s good news... it’s been trending this way for a while now. Long may it continue. and with vacancies at a high too, it probably will.
Real wage increase also announced (although this has had a bumpier rise in the last few years).
The dyson story is only a story as we was the business poster boy of Brexit. Along with the wetherspoon fella. All this does is put a question mark on how “positive” brexit will be; to me it’s a sensible business decision based on logistics, but doesn’t show in itself brexit is a negative. But we have some big challenges ahead regardless ...
Have to say it's a bit rich of remainers to target people like Dyson and Tim Martin of Wetherspoons, when people like Richard Branson and David Beckham supported remain and they don't live in the UK. "Target? There were hardly any high profile businessmen who supported Brexit yet a significant number are relocating and changing their behaviour. The remain ones don't appear to be making such radical changes. | |||
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"250 companies in talks with the Dutch Government about relocating that will be more job losses. Take It you didn't hear the latest UK jobs figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) the other day then. Employment levels in the UK are at a record high and unemployment is now at its lowest level since 1975. They wouldnt read that they cant blame it on brexit.
It’s good news... it’s been trending this way for a while now. Long may it continue. and with vacancies at a high too, it probably will.
Real wage increase also announced (although this has had a bumpier rise in the last few years).
The dyson story is only a story as we was the business poster boy of Brexit. Along with the wetherspoon fella. All this does is put a question mark on how “positive” brexit will be; to me it’s a sensible business decision based on logistics, but doesn’t show in itself brexit is a negative. But we have some big challenges ahead regardless ...
Have to say it's a bit rich of remainers to target people like Dyson and Tim Martin of Wetherspoons, when people like Richard Branson and David Beckham supported remain and they don't live in the UK.
Target? There were hardly any high profile businessmen who supported Brexit yet a significant number are relocating and changing their behaviour.
The remain ones don't appear to be making such radical changes."Hardly any high profile bussinessmen supported Brexit? What alternative universe do you live in? There were plenty actually, Richard Tice, Anthony Bamford, Digby Jones, John Longworth to name just a few from the the top of my head without looking on Google. | |||
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"Here is another way to look at it. There is a very large market at the moment, covering some 30-odd countries - the EU28 plus those in EEA or EFTA or whatever its called. It is worth $20 trillion a year, with one set of regulations and one set of commercial law. As of 11pm on March 29, this will split into two separate markets. One worth $17 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law, and one worth $3 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law. How easy will it be for a business in, say, Denmark to sell into the UK, and vice versa? No-one knows - this is a problem. Will it be easier to export to the UK, or do they need to have capacity based in the UK? No-one knows - this is a problem. If a business decides it does need a subsidiary in the UK market in addition to its principal business in the EU+ market, what are the rules about EU nationals moving to the UK to work? No-one knows - this is another problem. Businesses are not making investment decisions because Britain cannot decide. It has known for 4 years that leaving is a possibility, and known for 2.5 years it is a reality, yet still business is none the wiser what the future looks like. Is that the kind of rudderless, destabilised country you'd want to invest in? Maybe if those who voted remain had said look we wanted to stay in but now accept the result and will work to ensure that leaving is a succes we would have had it all sorted, at no point have I heard any remain MP present or past put forward any constructive ideas,rather they just come up with more doom and gloom, well guys it is going to happen so lets all work together and make it work Maybe if Leave had not broken the law they would have? Maybe if remain hadn't got an extra £9 million quid from the government for a pro EU propaganda leaflet that was delivered to every house in the UK, which was not equally afforded to the Leave side then Leave campaigns wouldn't have felt cheated in the first place! That was LEGAL - that's the difference! That doesn't make it morally right. It was deeply unfair and you and other remoaners know it. Don't talk about morality when Farage put up posters and distributed leaflets with pictures of brown skinned refugees and maps including Syria and Iraq during an EU referendum. I'll talk about whatever I like fella. Those posters highlighted the failings of the EU over the migration crisis, which the EU still hasn't dealt with now. The British people need to be informed of these failings in the EU. If you want to talk about racist, morally questionable posters then have a look at the Remain campaign poster designed by Saatchi and Saatchi for the operation black vote part of remain during the referendum. It featured a young white skin head wearing skin tight jeans and Dr Martin boots pointing angrily at a frail little old Indian lady on the other end of a see saw. Even Mayor of London Sadiq Khan distanced himself from it and said it reinforced racial stereotypes. You are hilarious. The EU are responsible for a civil war in Syria? They haven't solved it? By doing what? What's tour solution? You don't when want any international aid spending. All those hundreds who made it here just lounging around idly not being bombed. Which racial stereotype does it reinforce? That Asians are women? That white men are angry? Get a grip. Leave project fear writ big yet you keep claiming that only remain played that game. You are incapable of doing anything except repeat your own propaganda. Leave project fear was far more effective than remain project fear because it was focused on people. It put a face to it. That is genuinely nasty. Don't play dumb, I wasn't suggesting the EU were responsible for the civil war in Syria. The EU's failings with regard to the migration crisis is not putting up adequate barriers to stop them coming in (that's what Farage's posters highlighted). It was a failing of EU policy which lead to individual nation states in Europe taking matters into their own hands putting up their own border controls in the schengen zone. The EU to this day still haven't dealt with it and it is still ongoing. Only an average of 3 out of every 10 applications for refugee status is successful, so 7 out of 10 are not genuine refugees, they are economic migrants. As for the racist remain poster designed by Saatchi and Saatchi ask Mayor of London what racial stereotypes it reinforced, it was his reaction to seeing the poster." I didn't say they caused it, but s crisis of that scale is hardly predictable or controllable. What did you want the EU to do? They do not have the jurisdiction to police national borders do they? You wanted them to? It puts the lie to you claiming that it's an all powerful superstate controlling everything doesn't it? The economic migrants took the opportunity to exploit a crisis. As did the Leave campaign. What's your point? I doubt your statistics because they are usually scaremongering nonsense from Express headlines. However, if you have that data then it means that they were successfully processed even in the teeth of such astronomical pressure. I don't agree with everything that the Mayor of London says. I am able to make a decision based on my own opinion rather than some partisan position. | |||
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"250 companies in talks with the Dutch Government about relocating that will be more job losses. Take It you didn't hear the latest UK jobs figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) the other day then. Employment levels in the UK are at a record high and unemployment is now at its lowest level since 1975. They wouldnt read that they cant blame it on brexit.
It’s good news... it’s been trending this way for a while now. Long may it continue. and with vacancies at a high too, it probably will.
Real wage increase also announced (although this has had a bumpier rise in the last few years).
The dyson story is only a story as we was the business poster boy of Brexit. Along with the wetherspoon fella. All this does is put a question mark on how “positive” brexit will be; to me it’s a sensible business decision based on logistics, but doesn’t show in itself brexit is a negative. But we have some big challenges ahead regardless ...
Have to say it's a bit rich of remainers to target people like Dyson and Tim Martin of Wetherspoons, when people like Richard Branson and David Beckham supported remain and they don't live in the UK.
Target? There were hardly any high profile businessmen who supported Brexit yet a significant number are relocating and changing their behaviour.
The remain ones don't appear to be making such radical changes.
Hardly any high profile bussinessmen supported Brexit? What alternative universe do you live in? There were plenty actually, Richard Tice, Anthony Bamford, Digby Jones, John Longworth to name just a few from the the top of my head without looking on Google. "High profile? 
Richard Tice - UK property. No international trade. International money. Handy if some of the stringent money laundering rules are relaxed. Bugger all workers.
Anthony Bamford - JCB. Privately owned. Inherited. Manufacturing in India and Germany too so no problem for him.
Digby Jones - "Business consultant"
John Longworth - "Business consultant"
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"Here is another way to look at it. There is a very large market at the moment, covering some 30-odd countries - the EU28 plus those in EEA or EFTA or whatever its called. It is worth $20 trillion a year, with one set of regulations and one set of commercial law. As of 11pm on March 29, this will split into two separate markets. One worth $17 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law, and one worth $3 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law. How easy will it be for a business in, say, Denmark to sell into the UK, and vice versa? No-one knows - this is a problem. Will it be easier to export to the UK, or do they need to have capacity based in the UK? No-one knows - this is a problem. If a business decides it does need a subsidiary in the UK market in addition to its principal business in the EU+ market, what are the rules about EU nationals moving to the UK to work? No-one knows - this is another problem. Businesses are not making investment decisions because Britain cannot decide. It has known for 4 years that leaving is a possibility, and known for 2.5 years it is a reality, yet still business is none the wiser what the future looks like. Is that the kind of rudderless, destabilised country you'd want to invest in? " There’s loads of different ways of looking at it, what about corporation tax rates ? As you pointed out nobody knows what’s happening, companies are being clever and trying to cover all angles. | |||
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"Here is another way to look at it. There is a very large market at the moment, covering some 30-odd countries - the EU28 plus those in EEA or EFTA or whatever its called. It is worth $20 trillion a year, with one set of regulations and one set of commercial law. As of 11pm on March 29, this will split into two separate markets. One worth $17 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law, and one worth $3 trillion with its own regulations and commercial law. How easy will it be for a business in, say, Denmark to sell into the UK, and vice versa? No-one knows - this is a problem. Will it be easier to export to the UK, or do they need to have capacity based in the UK? No-one knows - this is a problem. If a business decides it does need a subsidiary in the UK market in addition to its principal business in the EU+ market, what are the rules about EU nationals moving to the UK to work? No-one knows - this is another problem. Businesses are not making investment decisions because Britain cannot decide. It has known for 4 years that leaving is a possibility, and known for 2.5 years it is a reality, yet still business is none the wiser what the future looks like. Is that the kind of rudderless, destabilised country you'd want to invest in? There’s loads of different ways of looking at it, what about corporation tax rates ? As you pointed out nobody knows what’s happening, companies are being clever and trying to cover all angles. " That’s kinda my point. Are EU businesses being clever and covering the UK angle the same way UK based businesses seem to be ? | |||
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"The subject of businesses being against brexit came up on LBC radio yesterday. One caller came on to state he had his own business and was 100% behind brexit and certainly didn’t fear a no deal brexit. When asked he disclosed his business was a window cleaning round. Comedy gold." No longer a nation of shop-keepers, now a nation of window-cleaners | |||
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" There’s loads of different ways of looking at it, what about corporation tax rates ? As you pointed out nobody knows what’s happening, companies are being clever and trying to cover all angles. That’s kinda my point. Are EU businesses being clever and covering the UK angle the same way UK based businesses seem to be ?" I suspect Brexit will expose just how little of British industry is owned by British capital, i.e. these decisions will be taken in the interests of foreign investors and how they get the best return on their investment. There will be no national sentiment at work in those decisions. | |||
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"The subject of businesses being against brexit came up on LBC radio yesterday. One caller came on to state he had his own business and was 100% behind brexit and certainly didn’t fear a no deal brexit. When asked he disclosed his business was a window cleaning round. Comedy gold." Proper international business | |||
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"Alot of businesses are more frighted of a labour government getting elected than brexit." Of course, that's why they are all leaving and citing Brexit, got anymore facts in make believe Town? | |||
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" There’s loads of different ways of looking at it, what about corporation tax rates ? As you pointed out nobody knows what’s happening, companies are being clever and trying to cover all angles. That’s kinda my point. Are EU businesses being clever and covering the UK angle the same way UK based businesses seem to be ? I suspect Brexit will expose just how little of British industry is owned by British capital, i.e. these decisions will be taken in the interests of foreign investors and how they get the best return on their investment. There will be no national sentiment at work in those decisions." Some smart businesses may realise though that if we leave the EU with no deal the UK would be completely free of the EU's rules on state aid. The UK government could if it so wished decide to pump money into struggling companies and there wouldn't be a damn thing the EU could do about it. The reason why long term Eurosceptics on the left like Jeremy Corbyn and Dennis Skinner have wanted to leave the EU is so they can re-nationalise industry and be free to offer state aid to those businesses if needed. | |||
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"Alot of businesses are more frighted of a labour government getting elected than brexit." Not anymore, The Conservative Party has fucked itself over royally this time. And sadly taken the rest of us with it! | |||
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"Alot of businesses are more frighted of a labour government getting elected than brexit."
Indeed. Not only would Labour increase corporation tax from 19% currently upto 26%, Corbyn also plans to seize 10% of UK companies stock and hand it over to employees. This is not scaremongering, if you're in any doubt just read Labours 2017 general election manifesto (it's all in there). | |||
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Indeed. Not only would Labour increase corporation tax from 19% currently upto 26%, Corbyn also plans to seize 10% of UK companies stock and hand it over to employees. This is not scaremongering, if you're in any doubt just read Labours 2017 general election manifesto (it's all in there). "Wouldn't see that in an exporting powerhouse like Germany would you. | |||
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Indeed. Not only would Labour increase corporation tax from 19% currently upto 26%, Corbyn also plans to seize 10% of UK companies stock and hand it over to employees. This is not scaremongering, if you're in any doubt just read Labours 2017 general election manifesto (it's all in there). "Mcdonnell was banging on about it today on radio 2 did he not learn anything from his idol in Venezuela. | |||
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"Smart companies do not want us to leave the EU on no deal.. " Anthony Bamford and JCB don't seem concerned about it. Neither does Rocco Forte and his chain of Rocco Forte Hotels. In fact their preferred option would now be to leave the EU on no deal. | |||
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"Smart companies do not want us to leave the EU on no deal.. Anthony Bamford and JCB don't seem concerned about it. Neither does Rocco Forte and his chain of Rocco Forte Hotels. In fact their preferred option would now be to leave the EU on no deal. " Theyre the exeptions. There's a reason why the CBI, FSB, BCC etc etc ALL say that a No Deal will be a business disaster....that's because it is self harm of the worst kind. | |||
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"Smart companies do not want us to leave the EU on no deal.. Anthony Bamford and JCB don't seem concerned about it. Neither does Rocco Forte and his chain of Rocco Forte Hotels. In fact their preferred option would now be to leave the EU on no deal. " It's been pointed out to you before that JCB makes it's money in India, EU access isn't shit or bust for Bamford so he can bang the drum as loud as he wants, doesn't make no deal a good thing just makes no deal a good thing for him. | |||
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"Smart companies do not want us to leave the EU on no deal.. Anthony Bamford and JCB don't seem concerned about it. Neither does Rocco Forte and his chain of Rocco Forte Hotels. In fact their preferred option would now be to leave the EU on no deal. " JCB has a factory in Germany. In the EU. The Forte hotel change has static assets and can pass their costs completely onto guests. Minimal international supply chains. It will be interesting to see how their UK staffing works out though. | |||
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