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"Is it just me or if Corbyn wants ' No deal' off the table that will take a parliamentary act revoking article 50.... all else is just noise and lies #mytuppance " He's a fucking prick, he's just flailing around like a limp saggy cock with no chance of ever achieving a semi never mind an errection. Everything that idiot does backfires on him & his party ends up taking the credibility hit he causes. That's why the Torries are near untouchable because with Corbyn at the helm of Labour the Conservatives don't have an opposition to be worried about. | |||
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"Not just Corbyn who has no clue, did anyone see Diane Abbott on Question Time tonight? "They're all moaning about how she was picked on on twitter, but I thought she was so slimy I didn't have any sympathy, she tried to speak for too long and was pompous, I think that irritated Fiona lol! | |||
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"Not just Corbyn who has no clue, did anyone see Diane Abbott on Question Time tonight?
They're all moaning about how she was picked on on twitter, but I thought she was so slimy I didn't have any sympathy, she tried to speak for too long and was pompous, I think that irritated Fiona lol!"The snowflake pc brigade of the Labour Momentum cult on twitter are always outraged about something or other. I'd say Diane Abbott got the treatment she deserved and invited it on herself by her own sheer ineptitude. | |||
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"Is it just me or if Corbyn wants ' No deal' off the table that will take a parliamentary act revoking article 50.... all else is just noise and lies #mytuppance He's a fucking prick, he's just flailing around like a limp saggy cock with no chance of ever achieving a semi never mind an errection. Everything that idiot does backfires on him & his party ends up taking the credibility hit he causes. That's why the Torries are near untouchable because with Corbyn at the helm of Labour the Conservatives don't have an opposition to be worried about. " OMG! More of the same claptrap! Before Christmas when he refused to set out Labours position or call a vote of 'No Confidence' in Mrs May after she was challenged by JRM he was a useless leader of the opposition and needed to be got rid of. Now after Mrs May's brexit deal has been kicked out by parliament and the DUP and her own brexiteer hardliners have said they will bring down Mrs May if she does not retain the option of a hard brexit with no backstop for NI, JC makes his demands and they put Mrs May in a position where she has to jump one way or the other and each means she looses the vote of 'No Confidence' that must surely follow. And still you think he is an ineffectual leader of the opposition. My god you remind me of Hitler's minions in late 44 early 45. Your so convinced of your so convinced of your leaders abilities you cant see that you have had your chance and the wind of change is upon you! Of course JRM and his chums see the writing on the wall that is why they are transferring their loot out of the country before the maelstrom catches up with them. | |||
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"Is it just me or if Corbyn wants ' No deal' off the table that will take a parliamentary act revoking article 50.... all else is just noise and lies #mytuppance He's a fucking prick, he's just flailing around like a limp saggy cock with no chance of ever achieving a semi never mind an errection. Everything that idiot does backfires on him & his party ends up taking the credibility hit he causes. That's why the Torries are near untouchable because with Corbyn at the helm of Labour the Conservatives don't have an opposition to be worried about. OMG! More of the same claptrap! Before Christmas when he refused to set out Labours position or call a vote of 'No Confidence' in Mrs May after she was challenged by JRM he was a useless leader of the opposition and needed to be got rid of. Now after Mrs May's brexit deal has been kicked out by parliament and the DUP and her own brexiteer hardliners have said they will bring down Mrs May if she does not retain the option of a hard brexit with no backstop for NI, JC makes his demands and they put Mrs May in a position where she has to jump one way or the other and each means she looses the vote of 'No Confidence' that must surely follow. And still you think he is an ineffectual leader of the opposition. My god you remind me of Hitler's minions in late 44 early 45. Your so convinced of your so convinced of your leaders abilities you cant see that you have had your chance and the wind of change is upon you! Of course JRM and his chums see the writing on the wall that is why they are transferring their loot out of the country before the maelstrom catches up with them. " I'm so convinced of my leaders abilities lol, I've never said that, I think the Torries are terrible, JC's worse in my claptrap opinion 
cant see that you have had your chance and the wind of change is upon you!
What the hell does that mean lol
Hey, if you think JC is all singing & dancing then great, good for you mate, I think he's a flaccid sack of nothingness and to say how much bad press is going on over this Brexit stupidity the Torries are still ahead of Labour in the polls goes to show something is exceedingly wrong with Labour and that problem I think is its leadet
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"I'm so convinced of my leaders abilities lol, I've never said that, I think the Torries are terrible, JC's worse in my claptrap opinion
cant see that you have had your chance and the wind of change is upon you!
What the hell does that mean lol
Hey, if you think JC is all singing & dancing then great, good for you mate, I think he's a flaccid sack of nothingness and to say how much bad press is going on over this Brexit stupidity the Torries are still ahead of Labour in the polls goes to show something is exceedingly wrong with Labour and that problem I think is its leadet
"And still you don't get it. I point out exactly what has happened in the last month and exactly what Corybn has done, and rather than consider it and maybe put forward a counterpoint you recycle the same garbage. I will now point out that it is the same garbage that has been pouring out of the rightwing populist media for the last 3 1/2 years and so far it has been proven wrong at every turn. Rather than reading and then spouting the latest daily mail/express/telegraph/sun talking point why don't you start comparing the stories and noticing how often his political enemies are having to publish retractions and apologies and dig in their pockets and make donations in Mr Corbyn's name to charities of his choice or face open and closed deformations cases. If the man were really the idiot that he is portrayed to be by the rightwing press then they would not be continually attempting to discredit him and ferment revolution to remove him in the Labour Party. No one puts sustained effort into removing an incompetent opponent. One does what JC has done to May and the Tories, you quietly leave them to weaken themselves and only move when you know your move will fatally wound or destroy them. May and the Tories are now fatally wounded, JC's next move will destroy them unless the rightwing can find enough quislings in the PLP to do their dirty work for them. | |||
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" No one puts sustained effort into removing an incompetent opponent. One does what JC has done to May and the Tories, you quietly leave them to weaken themselves and only move when you know your move will fatally wound or destroy them." “Never interfere with your enemy when he is making a mistake” - Napoleon | |||
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"“Never interfere with your enemy when he is making a mistake” - Napoleon" Indeed, it is very rude. | |||
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"Not just Corbyn who has no clue, did anyone see Diane Abbott on Question Time tonight? "It wasn't a good night for teeth. | |||
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"How can Labour even hope to get in power when they represent themselves so badly on national television." You make a good point, Diane Abbot should not be appearing on live TV any longer. But the problem is that too many of our 'high profile' MP's are not loyal to either the party membership or JC and that leaves a very small pool of MP's that can be fielded to represent the party with confidence that they will not use a public platform to torpedo JC and the Labour's policies. | |||
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"Corbyn for the win. The coup de grace is coming . "you are saying that tounge in cheek i hope.even most of his own m.ps aint keen on him. | |||
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"How can Labour even hope to get in power when they represent themselves so badly on national television. You make a good point, Diane Abbot should not be appearing on live TV any longer. But the problem is that too many of our 'high profile' MP's are not loyal to either the party membership or JC and that leaves a very small pool of MP's that can be fielded to represent the party with confidence that they will not use a public platform to torpedo JC and the Labour's policies." Sounds like a united party one ready to lead. | |||
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"Sounds like a united party one ready to lead. "You may not have noticed, but the Labour Party is the biggest party in the UK. In fact there are nearly as many members of the Labour Party as in all the other parties combined. And we are united, our problem is that the party is still in the process of wresting control of the PLP and NEC back from a torylite enterist elite that took control of the party in the early 90's and moved the party into blue water allowing the ultra rightwing of the Conservative Party to move the Official Tories so far right that now their MP's can get away with having publicity photos taken at foodbank collection points claiming they support foodbanks when they are the cause of foodbanks! But don't worry, we are cleaning house and there is a reckoning coming.  | |||
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"You may not have noticed, but the Labour Party is the biggest party in the UK. In fact there are nearly as many members of the Labour Party as in all the other parties combined...." Labour may be the biggest political party in the UK .... but there is no getting away from the fact that to take 'no deal' off the table a parliamentary act to revoke Article 50 is needed ... that's not going to happen therefore 'no deal' is what will happen if an agreement isn't reached as per the already enshrined parliamentary act... Lets see what Plan B brings on Monday ... though my gut says its the same as Plan A with a dusting of icing sugar | |||
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"Sounds like a united party one ready to lead.
You may not have noticed, but the Labour Party is the biggest party in the UK. In fact there are nearly as many members of the Labour Party as in all the other parties combined. And we are united, our problem is that the party is still in the process of wresting control of the PLP and NEC back from a torylite enterist elite that took control of the party in the early 90's and moved the party into blue water allowing the ultra rightwing of the Conservative Party to move the Official Tories so far right that now their MP's can get away with having publicity photos taken at foodbank collection points claiming they support foodbanks when they are the cause of foodbanks!
But don't worry, we are cleaning house and there is a reckoning coming. "You are simply demonstrating that Labour is as divided (maybe even more?) than the Tories. I can actually see this whole Brexit business completely changing British politics forever and maybe that is no bad thing. | |||
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"In all polls labour come out top In all polls remains the the way forward now. The nationalist and racist dream of the right is crumbling and they are scared "
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"In all polls labour come out top In all polls remains the the way forward now. The nationalist and racist dream of the right is crumbling and they are scared " Obviously didn't see the latest polls from last weekend then! | |||
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"You are simply demonstrating that Labour is as divided (maybe even more?) than the Tories. I can actually see this whole Brexit business completely changing British politics forever and maybe that is no bad thing." I can see how you and others would think this. But the fact is only the PLP and NEC (and other management committees) are divided, and they total less than 400 of 800,000. Fact is they have used their positions of power to change the rules to make it harder to remove them (like all infestations, they are a lot harder to get rid of than to become host to), but we are removing them. | |||
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"Not just Corbyn who has no clue, did anyone see Diane Abbott on Question Time tonight? "she is something else. That's the future for Britain if Labour got in in an election. | |||
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"In all polls labour come out top In all polls remains the the way forward now. The nationalist and racist dream of the right is crumbling and they are scared " we all know most recent polls have been wrong. Bring on brexit. Stop the fudging. | |||
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"In all polls labour come out top In all polls remains the the way forward now. The nationalist and racist dream of the right is crumbling and they are scared we all know most recent polls have been wrong. Bring on brexit. Stop the fudging. " Bring on the second referendum all the polls are alt facts and fake news... | |||
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"Is it just me or if Corbyn wants ' No deal' off the table that will take a parliamentary act revoking article 50.... all else is just noise and lies #mytuppance He's a fucking prick, he's just flailing around like a limp saggy cock with no chance of ever achieving a semi never mind an errection. Everything that idiot does backfires on him & his party ends up taking the credibility hit he causes. That's why the Torries are near untouchable because with Corbyn at the helm of Labour the Conservatives don't have an opposition to be worried about. OMG! More of the same claptrap! Before Christmas when he refused to set out Labours position or call a vote of 'No Confidence' in Mrs May after she was challenged by JRM he was a useless leader of the opposition and needed to be got rid of. Now after Mrs May's brexit deal has been kicked out by parliament and the DUP and her own brexiteer hardliners have said they will bring down Mrs May if she does not retain the option of a hard brexit with no backstop for NI, JC makes his demands and they put Mrs May in a position where she has to jump one way or the other and each means she looses the vote of 'No Confidence' that must surely follow. And still you think he is an ineffectual leader of the opposition. My god you remind me of Hitler's minions in late 44 early 45. Your so convinced of your so convinced of your leaders abilities you cant see that you have had your chance and the wind of change is upon you! Of course JRM and his chums see the writing on the wall that is why they are transferring their loot out of the country before the maelstrom catches up with them. " JRM was cracking open the champagne after May's deal was rejected the other night, he thinks a no deal is coming, so he's hardly In retreat, lol. As for Corbyn's plan to keep on calling repeated no confidence votes, the lib dems have now said they won't back Corbyn unless he calls for another referendum. Corbyn doesn't want to call another referendum. | |||
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"In all polls labour come out top In all polls remains the the way forward now. The nationalist and racist dream of the right is crumbling and they are scared Obviously didn't see the latest polls from last weekend then!" I saw them. The latest polls have the tories in front of Labour. | |||
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"In all polls labour come out top In all polls remains the the way forward now. The nationalist and racist dream of the right is crumbling and they are scared Obviously didn't see the latest polls from last weekend then! I saw them. The latest polls have the tories in front of Labour. " The polls had the Tories Eight points ahead the week before the last election.... How did that turn out for the Tories? | |||
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"If the Tories are so convinced they are ahead .Why are they filling their pants over another GE. Let's have one if they are onto winner. Truth is the Tories are viewed by the country as having totally fucked up brexit. "Our political sphere is full of “champions” who refuse to get back in the ring, but parade around telling us they’re the words greatest based on a fight two years ago. Oh, and because a sky sports poll says they’d win if they did fight again. | |||
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"Is it just me or if Corbyn wants ' No deal' off the table that will take a parliamentary act revoking article 50.... all else is just noise and lies #mytuppance He's a fucking prick, he's just flailing around like a limp saggy cock with no chance of ever achieving a semi never mind an errection. Everything that idiot does backfires on him & his party ends up taking the credibility hit he causes. That's why the Torries are near untouchable because with Corbyn at the helm of Labour the Conservatives don't have an opposition to be worried about. OMG! More of the same claptrap! Before Christmas when he refused to set out Labours position or call a vote of 'No Confidence' in Mrs May after she was challenged by JRM he was a useless leader of the opposition and needed to be got rid of. Now after Mrs May's brexit deal has been kicked out by parliament and the DUP and her own brexiteer hardliners have said they will bring down Mrs May if she does not retain the option of a hard brexit with no backstop for NI, JC makes his demands and they put Mrs May in a position where she has to jump one way or the other and each means she looses the vote of 'No Confidence' that must surely follow. And still you think he is an ineffectual leader of the opposition. My god you remind me of Hitler's minions in late 44 early 45. Your so convinced of your so convinced of your leaders abilities you cant see that you have had your chance and the wind of change is upon you! Of course JRM and his chums see the writing on the wall that is why they are transferring their loot out of the country before the maelstrom catches up with them. JRM was cracking open the champagne after May's deal was rejected the other night, he thinks a no deal is coming, so he's hardly In retreat, lol. As for Corbyn's plan to keep on calling repeated no confidence votes, the lib dems have now said they won't back Corbyn unless he calls for another referendum. Corbyn doesn't want to call another referendum. " Yes JRM is getting closer to doubling his already considerable wealth at our expense. He must be laughing his tits off at any of the working class that voted themselves deeper into poverty to he can get even richer. | |||
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"Is it just me or if Corbyn wants ' No deal' off the table that will take a parliamentary act revoking article 50.... all else is just noise and lies #mytuppance He's a fucking prick, he's just flailing around like a limp saggy cock with no chance of ever achieving a semi never mind an errection. Everything that idiot does backfires on him & his party ends up taking the credibility hit he causes. That's why the Torries are near untouchable because with Corbyn at the helm of Labour the Conservatives don't have an opposition to be worried about. OMG! More of the same claptrap! Before Christmas when he refused to set out Labours position or call a vote of 'No Confidence' in Mrs May after she was challenged by JRM he was a useless leader of the opposition and needed to be got rid of. Now after Mrs May's brexit deal has been kicked out by parliament and the DUP and her own brexiteer hardliners have said they will bring down Mrs May if she does not retain the option of a hard brexit with no backstop for NI, JC makes his demands and they put Mrs May in a position where she has to jump one way or the other and each means she looses the vote of 'No Confidence' that must surely follow. And still you think he is an ineffectual leader of the opposition. My god you remind me of Hitler's minions in late 44 early 45. Your so convinced of your so convinced of your leaders abilities you cant see that you have had your chance and the wind of change is upon you! Of course JRM and his chums see the writing on the wall that is why they are transferring their loot out of the country before the maelstrom catches up with them. JRM was cracking open the champagne after May's deal was rejected the other night, he thinks a no deal is coming, so he's hardly In retreat, lol. As for Corbyn's plan to keep on calling repeated no confidence votes, the lib dems have now said they won't back Corbyn unless he calls for another referendum. Corbyn doesn't want to call another referendum. Yes JRM is getting closer to doubling his already considerable wealth at our expense. He must be laughing his tits off at any of the working class that voted themselves deeper into poverty to he can get even richer." I'd give it Five years maximum before JRM walks away from politics and crawls back under his stone. As a Leave voter I'm constantly embarrassed to be associated with a man who's sole purpose for becoming an MP was to help the UK to leave the EU in order to line his own pockets. | |||
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"If the Tories are so convinced they are ahead .Why are they filling their pants over another GE. Let's have one if they are onto winner. Truth is the Tories are viewed by the country as having totally fucked up brexit. "bob I’m labour always have been but do you really think any one in the Uk thinks Corbyn could save brexit be honest bud you don’t for one minute think he could even his closet allies don’t know what he wants he’s been a brexit ghost for two and half yrs labour are screwed until they dump him | |||
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"Sounds like a united party one ready to lead.
You may not have noticed, but the Labour Party is the biggest party in the UK. In fact there are nearly as many members of the Labour Party as in all the other parties combined. And we are united, our problem is that the party is still in the process of wresting control of the PLP and NEC back from a torylite enterist elite that took control of the party in the early 90's and moved the party into blue water allowing the ultra rightwing of the Conservative Party to move the Official Tories so far right that now their MP's can get away with having publicity photos taken at foodbank collection points claiming they support foodbanks when they are the cause of foodbanks!
But don't worry, we are cleaning house and there is a reckoning coming.
You are simply demonstrating that Labour is as divided (maybe even more?) than the Tories.
I can actually see this whole Brexit business completely changing British politics forever and maybe that is no bad thing."Not often I agree with you to be honest but I think we are at a watershed in uk and maybe even world politics, very few in parliament are going to emerge with much credit when the dust settles, even the speaker has broken the unwritten rules of being independant, when the whole democratic base is being undermined by petty point scoring and stupidity things need to change, and yet someseem to think its those in parliament that should be making the decicion to stop the result of the referendum because the voters were too thick | |||
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"I'm so convinced of my leaders abilities lol, I've never said that, I think the Torries are terrible, JC's worse in my claptrap opinion
cant see that you have had your chance and the wind of change is upon you!
What the hell does that mean lol
Hey, if you think JC is all singing & dancing then great, good for you mate, I think he's a flaccid sack of nothingness and to say how much bad press is going on over this Brexit stupidity the Torries are still ahead of Labour in the polls goes to show something is exceedingly wrong with Labour and that problem I think is its leadet
And still you don't get it.
I point out exactly what has happened in the last month and exactly what Corybn has done, and rather than consider it and maybe put forward a counterpoint you recycle the same garbage.
I will now point out that it is the same garbage that has been pouring out of the rightwing populist media for the last 3 1/2 years and so far it has been proven wrong at every turn. Rather than reading and then spouting the latest daily mail/express/telegraph/sun talking point why don't you start comparing the stories and noticing how often his political enemies are having to publish retractions and apologies and dig in their pockets and make donations in Mr Corbyn's name to charities of his choice or face open and closed deformations cases. If the man were really the idiot that he is portrayed to be by the rightwing press then they would not be continually attempting to discredit him and ferment revolution to remove him in the Labour Party.
No one puts sustained effort into removing an incompetent opponent. One does what JC has done to May and the Tories, you quietly leave them to weaken themselves and only move when you know your move will fatally wound or destroy them. May and the Tories are now fatally wounded, JC's next move will destroy them unless the rightwing can find enough quislings in the PLP to do their dirty work for them."Has anyone told JC he's done all these wonderful things
Look, I know you like to argue, you think he's great, I think he's fucking rubbish and if he was all so great then why isn't he ripping up the polls or already in no. 10
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"Considering he's seen as so bad, and so 'flaccid' by you Right Wingers you would think that the Nasty Party would have had a landslide victory at the last General Election.... Remind us all, just how close was that last election? I think you doubters actually fear Corbyn as you wouldn't bother slagging him off if you thought he had no chance of leading Labour into an election win next time round. " Lets face May ran the worse campaign in history she chickened out of the debates or was advised to and still they won the election and even now with her useless performance since Art 50 they are still ahead, its a bit like people going bonkers about Trump and waht a twat he is, well what did that say about what the US thought about clinton | |||
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"and yet someseem to think its those in parliament that should be making the decicion to stop the result of the referendum because the voters were too thick "Not too thick, deliberately misinformed and gaslighted. And, yes, I for one think that MP's should remember the oath they swore to protect and serve the country and as a very minimum give the final decision to the people once we can see exactly what brexit will look like. But they wont, they will all look after No1 and the directorships they are looking to move into once their parliamentary careers are over rather than the interests of the country. Just my opinion and belief, so really of little significance. | |||
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"Considering he's seen as so bad, and so 'flaccid' by you Right Wingers you would think that the Nasty Party would have had a landslide victory at the last General Election.... Remind us all, just how close was that last election? I think you doubters actually fear Corbyn as you wouldn't bother slagging him off if you thought he had no chance of leading Labour into an election win next time round. Lets face May ran the worse campaign in history she chickened out of the debates or was advised to and still they won the election and even now with her useless performance since Art 50 they are still ahead, its a bit like people going bonkers about Trump and waht a twat he is, well what did that say about what the US thought about clinton " Still ahead?.... She was Eight points average ahead in polls the week before the election, yet still had no working majority. I love the way you lot are rattled | |||
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"There is not a single MP, not even in the ERG, who says no-deal is their preferred option. In public at least. Why do you think that is? Why do you think Mrs May is terrified of being the one whom history remembers as delivering no deal? Because every single one of them knows how shit that will be for a large swathe of the population. And none of them wants to face the backlash - they all want to be able to say, "Well, I did say it was not what I would have wanted but . . . " Is the penny dropping yet, No Dealers? " I think corbyn secretly would thats why he is doing nothing,see the country go down the pan(which i dont think it will) so he can blame the tories and turn the uk into a socialist country for decades that has been his goal all along.They are not worried about busting the country john mcdonell did it with the glc and is now labours chancellor,couldnt make it up. | |||
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"and yet someseem to think its those in parliament that should be making the decicion to stop the result of the referendum because the voters were too thick
Not too thick, deliberately misinformed and gaslighted.
And, yes, I for one think that MP's should remember the oath they swore to protect and serve the country and as a very minimum give the final decision to the people once we can see exactly what brexit will look like.
But they wont, they will all look after No1 and the directorships they are looking to move into once their parliamentary careers are over rather than the interests of the country.
Just my opinion and belief, so really of little significance."Both sides can be accused of missleading the voter virtually none of the things that remain forecast would happen straight after the vote have. As for all the scares about a hrad brexit Funny how they all talk about tariffs on food products and cars but never mention that the average tariff is less than 4% even allowing for the distortion of those two sectors, time to call the EU's bluff | |||
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"There is not a single MP, not even in the ERG, who says no-deal is their preferred option. In public at least. Why do you think that is? Why do you think Mrs May is terrified of being the one whom history remembers as delivering no deal? Because every single one of them knows how shit that will be for a large swathe of the population. And none of them wants to face the backlash - they all want to be able to say, "Well, I did say it was not what I would have wanted but . . . " Is the penny dropping yet, No Dealers? I think corbyn secretly would thats why he is doing nothing,see the country go down the pan(which i dont think it will) so he can blame the tories and turn the uk into a socialist country for decades that has been his goal all along.They are not worried about busting the country john mcdonell did it with the glc and is now labours chancellor,couldnt make it up." Congratulations!! Winner of the most ridiculous post of the day. And couldn't make it up!.... Well you just did | |||
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"There is not a single MP, not even in the ERG, who says no-deal is their preferred option. In public at least. Why do you think that is? Why do you think Mrs May is terrified of being the one whom history remembers as delivering no deal? Because every single one of them knows how shit that will be for a large swathe of the population. And none of them wants to face the backlash - they all want to be able to say, "Well, I did say it was not what I would have wanted but . . . " Is the penny dropping yet, No Dealers? I think corbyn secretly would thats why he is doing nothing,see the country go down the pan(which i dont think it will) so he can blame the tories and turn the uk into a socialist country for decades that has been his goal all along.They are not worried about busting the country john mcdonell did it with the glc and is now labours chancellor,couldnt make it up. Congratulations!! Winner of the most ridiculous post of the day. And couldn't make it up!.... Well you just did" What that mcdonell busted the glc? | |||
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"There is not a single MP, not even in the ERG, who says no-deal is their preferred option. In public at least. Why do you think that is? Why do you think Mrs May is terrified of being the one whom history remembers as delivering no deal? Because every single one of them knows how shit that will be for a large swathe of the population. And none of them wants to face the backlash - they all want to be able to say, "Well, I did say it was not what I would have wanted but . . . " Is the penny dropping yet, No Dealers? I think corbyn secretly would thats why he is doing nothing,see the country go down the pan(which i dont think it will) so he can blame the tories and turn the uk into a socialist country for decades that has been his goal all along.They are not worried about busting the country john mcdonell did it with the glc and is now labours chancellor,couldnt make it up. Congratulations!! Winner of the most ridiculous post of the day. And couldn't make it up!.... Well you just didWhat that mcdonell busted the glc?" Just as they are doing now with local authorities, the Tories meddled with and severely cut funding for the GLC.... And why?, because they couldn't seize control of the GLC or other Metropolitan Councils at the time. They played party political games with funding cuts that crushed the GLC out of spite. They then brought in the Local Government Act to finish off the job. | |||
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"There is not a single MP, not even in the ERG, who says no-deal is their preferred option. In public at least. Why do you think that is? Why do you think Mrs May is terrified of being the one whom history remembers as delivering no deal? Because every single one of them knows how shit that will be for a large swathe of the population. And none of them wants to face the backlash - they all want to be able to say, "Well, I did say it was not what I would have wanted but . . . " Is the penny dropping yet, No Dealers? I think corbyn secretly would thats why he is doing nothing,see the country go down the pan(which i dont think it will) so he can blame the tories and turn the uk into a socialist country for decades that has been his goal all along.They are not worried about busting the country john mcdonell did it with the glc and is now labours chancellor,couldnt make it up. Congratulations!! Winner of the most ridiculous post of the day. And couldn't make it up!.... Well you just didWhat that mcdonell busted the glc? Just as they are doing now with local authorities, the Tories meddled with and severely cut funding for the GLC.... And why?, because they couldn't seize control of the GLC or other Metropolitan Councils at the time. They played party political games with funding cuts that crushed the GLC out of spite. They then brought in the Local Government Act to finish off the job. " I lived in london at the time nothing to do with cuts it was red ken and his finance chairman mcdonell doing what they always do spend money on things they cant afford. | |||
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"There is not a single MP, not even in the ERG, who says no-deal is their preferred option. In public at least. Why do you think that is? Why do you think Mrs May is terrified of being the one whom history remembers as delivering no deal? Because every single one of them knows how shit that will be for a large swathe of the population. And none of them wants to face the backlash - they all want to be able to say, "Well, I did say it was not what I would have wanted but . . . " Is the penny dropping yet, No Dealers? I think corbyn secretly would thats why he is doing nothing,see the country go down the pan(which i dont think it will) so he can blame the tories and turn the uk into a socialist country for decades that has been his goal all along.They are not worried about busting the country john mcdonell did it with the glc and is now labours chancellor,couldnt make it up. Congratulations!! Winner of the most ridiculous post of the day. And couldn't make it up!.... Well you just didWhat that mcdonell busted the glc? Just as they are doing now with local authorities, the Tories meddled with and severely cut funding for the GLC.... And why?, because they couldn't seize control of the GLC or other Metropolitan Councils at the time. They played party political games with funding cuts that crushed the GLC out of spite. They then brought in the Local Government Act to finish off the job. I lived in london at the time nothing to do with cuts it was red ken and his finance chairman mcdonell doing what they always do spend money on things they cant afford." I'm a Londoner, so I saw with my own eyes the way the Tories cut GLC budgets to the core out of sheer spite. They did it back then, and they are repeating it today. Beat the Tories in an election and they will always punish you financially in the future. | |||
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"and yet someseem to think its those in parliament that should be making the decicion to stop the result of the referendum because the voters were too thick
Not too thick, deliberately misinformed and gaslighted.
And, yes, I for one think that MP's should remember the oath they swore to protect and serve the country and as a very minimum give the final decision to the people once we can see exactly what brexit will look like.
But they wont, they will all look after No1 and the directorships they are looking to move into once their parliamentary careers are over rather than the interests of the country.
Just my opinion and belief, so really of little significance.
Both sides can be accused of missleading the voter virtually none of the things that remain forecast would happen straight after the vote have. As for all the scares about a hrad brexit Funny how they all talk about tariffs on food products and cars but never mention that the average tariff is less than 4% even allowing for the distortion of those two sectors, time to call the EU's bluff"4% is a big deal in business, especially for companies using economies of scale as they shift lots of goods at cheaper prices. | |||
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"Not just Corbyn who has no clue, did anyone see Diane Abbott on Question Time tonight? "Yes she should take up comedy,what hope does the labour party have with her in a top position.I felt Fiana Bruce really wanted to tell her what a stupid bitch she is.How the hell did she get to Oxford and get a degree?Was she part of an experiment to see if you can improve the brain of a simpleton,well the experiment failed | |||
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"There is not a single MP, not even in the ERG, who says no-deal is their preferred option. In public at least. Why do you think that is? Why do you think Mrs May is terrified of being the one whom history remembers as delivering no deal? Because every single one of them knows how shit that will be for a large swathe of the population. And none of them wants to face the backlash - they all want to be able to say, "Well, I did say it was not what I would have wanted but . . . " Is the penny dropping yet, No Dealers? I think corbyn secretly would thats why he is doing nothing,see the country go down the pan(which i dont think it will) so he can blame the tories and turn the uk into a socialist country for decades that has been his goal all along.They are not worried about busting the country john mcdonell did it with the glc and is now labours chancellor,couldnt make it up. Congratulations!! Winner of the most ridiculous post of the day. And couldn't make it up!.... Well you just didWhat that mcdonell busted the glc? Just as they are doing now with local authorities, the Tories meddled with and severely cut funding for the GLC.... And why?, because they couldn't seize control of the GLC or other Metropolitan Councils at the time. They played party political games with funding cuts that crushed the GLC out of spite. They then brought in the Local Government Act to finish off the job. I lived in london at the time nothing to do with cuts it was red ken and his finance chairman mcdonell doing what they always do spend money on things they cant afford. I'm a Londoner, so I saw with my own eyes the way the Tories cut GLC budgets to the core out of sheer spite. They did it back then, and they are repeating it today. Beat the Tories in an election and they will always punish you financially in the future. " They were waisting money left right and centre so if their budget was cut im not surprised you must remember those days,letting thousands of black balloons go in support of the ira giving money out like no tomorrow they didnt get the name loony left for no reason. | |||
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"There is not a single MP, not even in the ERG, who says no-deal is their preferred option. In public at least. Why do you think that is? Why do you think Mrs May is terrified of being the one whom history remembers as delivering no deal? Because every single one of them knows how shit that will be for a large swathe of the population. And none of them wants to face the backlash - they all want to be able to say, "Well, I did say it was not what I would have wanted but . . . " Is the penny dropping yet, No Dealers? " We are not staying in the EU when will you grasp this simple fact | |||
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"In all polls labour come out top In all polls remains the the way forward now. The nationalist and racist dream of the right is crumbling and they are scared Obviously didn't see the latest polls from last weekend then! I saw them. The latest polls have the tories in front of Labour. The polls had the Tories Eight points ahead the week before the last election.... How did that turn out for the Tories? " Simple May is an arsehole and Corbyn is a bigger arsehole | |||
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"Sounds like a united party one ready to lead.
You may not have noticed, but the Labour Party is the biggest party in the UK. In fact there are nearly as many members of the Labour Party as in all the other parties combined. And we are united, our problem is that the party is still in the process of wresting control of the PLP and NEC back from a torylite enterist elite that took control of the party in the early 90's and moved the party into blue water allowing the ultra rightwing of the Conservative Party to move the Official Tories so far right that now their MP's can get away with having publicity photos taken at foodbank collection points claiming they support foodbanks when they are the cause of foodbanks!
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"Sounds like a united party one ready to lead.
You may not have noticed, but the Labour Party is the biggest party in the UK. In fact there are nearly as many members of the Labour Party as in all the other parties combined. And we are united, our problem is that the party is still in the process of wresting control of the PLP and NEC back from a torylite enterist elite that took control of the party in the early 90's and moved the party into blue water allowing the ultra rightwing of the Conservative Party to move the Official Tories so far right that now their MP's can get away with having publicity photos taken at foodbank collection points claiming they support foodbanks when they are the cause of foodbanks!
But don't worry, we are cleaning house and there is a reckoning coming. "Sorry will but you are deluded if you think labours current policies would win a general election. We have no idea whose going to be tory leader and still people would rather vote the tories back in | |||
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"Both sides can be accused of missleading the voter virtually none of the things that remain forecast would happen straight after the vote have. As for all the scares about a hrad brexit Funny how they all talk about tariffs on food products and cars but never mention that the average tariff is less than 4% even allowing for the distortion of those two sectors, time to call the EU's bluff" your probably right, and those experts who say that most of what we produce will have 40% tariffs applied to them under basic WTO rules are probably wrong. Just as those same experst who point out that 27 of the 35 advanced economies in the world are the EU without us and the rest of the worl has little use for 'Financial Products', Rolls Royces, Bentleys or McLaren cars equally don't know what they are talking about. So we will be fine being able to sell all our luxury services into all those advanced economies like the Central African Republic, Brazil and Cambodia. | |||
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"When Cutler won the '77 GLC election he was used as a puppet by Thatcher to bring the GLC to its knees, Cutler was the figurehead of the GLC but Thatcher actually ran it from No.10. He (and She) started the dismantling of the finances of the GLC, first by selling off 20% of the social housing stock in less than two years, Secondly by all but destroying London Transport with Bus and Tube fare rises of 140% in less than those same two years, with the receipts of those fare rises by-passing the GLC into Central government coffers. So ZERO reinvestment of those extra fares, and subsequently LT running stock investment was frozen during this period. This period saw the first decrease into GLC funding from central government in twelve years. Livingstone saved London Transport when he won in '81, it had been starved of investment by a bitter and spiteful Tory government, and had seen Four years of budget cuts which HALVED investment in running stock and engineering. Thatcher went on to abolish the GLC out of that same spitefulness, and that has carried on by successive Tory governments ever since. " What alot of people dont realize is alot of the social housing needed updating selling it was a good idea the problem is they did not use the money to build new ones thats where the fault was.When my parents bought their council house it had crickle windows no central heating ,kitchen needed renewing it would have cost the council a fortune to bring all the houses up to a decent living standard and i dare say today they wouldnt be allowed to rent them.So to sell them made sense,people put new windows and front doors in double glazed it updated whole areas gave people more pride in where they lived and created a great deal of employment.As i said the problem lay with not spending the money on new ones. | |||
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"There is not a single MP, not even in the ERG, who says no-deal is their preferred option. In public at least. Why do you think that is? Why do you think Mrs May is terrified of being the one whom history remembers as delivering no deal? Because every single one of them knows how shit that will be for a large swathe of the population. And none of them wants to face the backlash - they all want to be able to say, "Well, I did say it was not what I would have wanted but . . . " Is the penny dropping yet, No Dealers? We are not staying in the EU when will you grasp this simple fact" You have responded to something I did not post. Straw man. | |||
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"What alot of people dont realize is alot of the social housing needed updating selling it was a good idea the problem is they did not use the money to build new ones thats where the fault was." Councils never had that option. The 1982 Housing Act not only forced councils to sell their housing stock at highly discounted prices, but it also stopped councils reinvesting the money earned from sales in new housing without Central Government approval which was hardly ever given. Of course the Act also gave Central Government access to that capital at very favourable (under open market) interest rates. | |||
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" I think corbyn secretly would thats why he is doing nothing,see the country go down the pan(which i dont think it will) so he can blame the tories and turn the uk into a socialist country for decades that has been his goal all along.They are not worried about busting the country john mcdonell did it with the glc and is now labours chancellor,couldnt make it up." I don't agree about Corbyn, but let's assume you are correct and consider, too, the analogy much-favoured by jingoistic Brexiteers of wartime Britain. A country on its knees after taking on a European adversary, broke, shortages of everything, wreckage everywhere - and a determination not to return to the deprivation of the late 1930s. A labour government elected by landslide on the most radical programme of change ever seen: a) no more paying to see a doctor - free healthcare for all b) no more paying to have your child educated - free state education for every child c) no more squalor - a massive programme of council-house building d) no more idleness - a job for life for those who could work in nationalised industry e) no more destitution - a welfare system for the elderly and those unable to work Corbyn says Clement Atlee is the Labour politician he most admires. I just hope Britain doesn't have to go through the same misery and suffering before a Labour government is swept into office with an equally radical programme to transform Britain. | |||
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"What alot of people dont realize is alot of the social housing needed updating selling it was a good idea the problem is they did not use the money to build new ones thats where the fault was. Councils never had that option. The 1982 Housing Act not only forced councils to sell their housing stock at highly discounted prices, but it also stopped councils reinvesting the money earned from sales in new housing without Central Government approval which was hardly ever given. Of course the Act also gave Central Government access to that capital at very favourable (under open market) interest rates. " Exactly.... And it was a (reasonably successful) attempt to turn traditional Labour voters into Conservative voters who (wrongly) believed that home ownership made them middle class overnight, and changed the voting habits of many of them. The prospect of home ownership is often used by Conservatives as bait to change political allegiance. There is absolutely no denying that Thatcher set out to abolish the GLC out of spite. Funnily enough it possibly had the opposite effect that she had imagined it would, with London, particularly the City of London, having a genuine shout in becoming the Singapore of the UK. | |||
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" I think corbyn secretly would thats why he is doing nothing,see the country go down the pan(which i dont think it will) so he can blame the tories and turn the uk into a socialist country for decades that has been his goal all along.They are not worried about busting the country john mcdonell did it with the glc and is now labours chancellor,couldnt make it up. I don't agree about Corbyn, but let's assume you are correct and consider, too, the analogy much-favoured by jingoistic Brexiteers of wartime Britain. A country on its knees after taking on a European adversary, broke, shortages of everything, wreckage everywhere - and a determination not to return to the deprivation of the late 1930s. A labour government elected by landslide on the most radical programme of change ever seen: a) no more paying to see a doctor - free healthcare for all b) no more paying to have your child educated - free state education for every child c) no more squalor - a massive programme of council-house building d) no more idleness - a job for life for those who could work in nationalised industry e) no more destitution - a welfare system for the elderly and those unable to work Corbyn says Clement Atlee is the Labour politician he most admires. I just hope Britain doesn't have to go through the same misery and suffering before a Labour government is swept into office with an equally radical programme to transform Britain. " Remainers often accuse Brexiteers of bringing up the war, but yet here we are again with a remainer bringing it into the discussion first. It's increasingly Remainers who bring up the war, not Brexiteers. | |||
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"Sounds like a united party one ready to lead.
You may not have noticed, but the Labour Party is the biggest party in the UK. In fact there are nearly as many members of the Labour Party as in all the other parties combined. And we are united, our problem is that the party is still in the process of wresting control of the PLP and NEC back from a torylite enterist elite that took control of the party in the early 90's and moved the party into blue water allowing the ultra rightwing of the Conservative Party to move the Official Tories so far right that now their MP's can get away with having publicity photos taken at foodbank collection points claiming they support foodbanks when they are the cause of foodbanks!
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" Doesn't matter how many members a party has all that matters is will people vote for you " So true. It's not Labour activists Corbyn needs to convince. It's that floating vote in the middle. The ones that swing both ways.
Middle England.
Where is that, by the way?
Do they have any clubs?
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" I think corbyn secretly would thats why he is doing nothing,see the country go down the pan(which i dont think it will) so he can blame the tories and turn the uk into a socialist country for decades that has been his goal all along.They are not worried about busting the country john mcdonell did it with the glc and is now labours chancellor,couldnt make it up. I don't agree about Corbyn, but let's assume you are correct and consider, too, the analogy much-favoured by jingoistic Brexiteers of wartime Britain. A country on its knees after taking on a European adversary, broke, shortages of everything, wreckage everywhere - and a determination not to return to the deprivation of the late 1930s. A labour government elected by landslide on the most radical programme of change ever seen: a) no more paying to see a doctor - free healthcare for all b) no more paying to have your child educated - free state education for every child c) no more squalor - a massive programme of council-house building d) no more idleness - a job for life for those who could work in nationalised industry e) no more destitution - a welfare system for the elderly and those unable to work Corbyn says Clement Atlee is the Labour politician he most admires. I just hope Britain doesn't have to go through the same misery and suffering before a Labour government is swept into office with an equally radical programme to transform Britain. " And the Great British public where so greatful they voted them out at the next election. Bastards. The then British Goverment sent home nearly 3 millions Eastern Europeans only for Josef Stalin to kill nearly every single one. We are a grateful Nation. | |||
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"The radical programme was to be found in the Beveridge Report. 1942, the British Cabinet thinks the war has turned, there might be an end, and asks a top boffin to come up with ideas for making sure the post-war is not the same as the pre-war. The Conservative Party adopted exactly the same policies in the 1945 manifesto. The Beveridge report. Only they were a bit tame in the goals they set - Labour was bold. 1945 was a consensus that last until Margaret Thatcher came to power in 1979. Not least the idea that the welfare state is affordable only during full employment, i.e. nationalised industry. She severed that link - she got rid of the jobs but kept the welfare state - and the country has been suffering ever since as a result. " We always used to work best when our back was against the wall. Everyone came together and worked for the betterment of the Country. The problem we have now is too many professional politicians. These people from all parties couldn't run a tap let alone a Company. Hence the mess we are in now. | |||
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" I think corbyn secretly would thats why he is doing nothing,see the country go down the pan(which i dont think it will) so he can blame the tories and turn the uk into a socialist country for decades that has been his goal all along.They are not worried about busting the country john mcdonell did it with the glc and is now labours chancellor,couldnt make it up. I don't agree about Corbyn, but let's assume you are correct and consider, too, the analogy much-favoured by jingoistic Brexiteers of wartime Britain. A country on its knees after taking on a European adversary, broke, shortages of everything, wreckage everywhere - and a determination not to return to the deprivation of the late 1930s. A labour government elected by landslide on the most radical programme of change ever seen: a) no more paying to see a doctor - free healthcare for all b) no more paying to have your child educated - free state education for every child c) no more squalor - a massive programme of council-house building d) no more idleness - a job for life for those who could work in nationalised industry e) no more destitution - a welfare system for the elderly and those unable to work Corbyn says Clement Atlee is the Labour politician he most admires. I just hope Britain doesn't have to go through the same misery and suffering before a Labour government is swept into office with an equally radical programme to transform Britain. Remainers often accuse Brexiteers of bringing up the war, but yet here we are again with a remainer bringing it into the discussion first. It's increasingly Remainers who bring up the war, not Brexiteers. " noticed that aswell centy | |||
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" I think corbyn secretly would thats why he is doing nothing,see the country go down the pan(which i dont think it will) so he can blame the tories and turn the uk into a socialist country for decades that has been his goal all along.They are not worried about busting the country john mcdonell did it with the glc and is now labours chancellor,couldnt make it up. I don't agree about Corbyn, but let's assume you are correct and consider, too, the analogy much-favoured by jingoistic Brexiteers of wartime Britain. A country on its knees after taking on a European adversary, broke, shortages of everything, wreckage everywhere - and a determination not to return to the deprivation of the late 1930s. A labour government elected by landslide on the most radical programme of change ever seen: a) no more paying to see a doctor - free healthcare for all b) no more paying to have your child educated - free state education for every child c) no more squalor - a massive programme of council-house building d) no more idleness - a job for life for those who could work in nationalised industry e) no more destitution - a welfare system for the elderly and those unable to work Corbyn says Clement Atlee is the Labour politician he most admires. I just hope Britain doesn't have to go through the same misery and suffering before a Labour government is swept into office with an equally radical programme to transform Britain. Remainers often accuse Brexiteers of bringing up the war, but yet here we are again with a remainer bringing it into the discussion first. It's increasingly Remainers who bring up the war, not Brexiteers. noticed that aswell centy " One of my fellow remainers only picking the information he or she sees that fits their narrative. Hmmmmmm | |||
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"Is it just me or if Corbyn wants ' No deal' off the table that will take a parliamentary act revoking article 50.... all else is just noise and lies #mytuppance He's a fucking prick, he's just flailing around like a limp saggy cock with no chance of ever achieving a semi never mind an errection. Everything that idiot does backfires on him & his party ends up taking the credibility hit he causes. That's why the Torries are near untouchable because with Corbyn at the helm of Labour the Conservatives don't have an opposition to be worried about. OMG! More of the same claptrap! Before Christmas when he refused to set out Labours position or call a vote of 'No Confidence' in Mrs May after she was challenged by JRM he was a useless leader of the opposition and needed to be got rid of. Now after Mrs May's brexit deal has been kicked out by parliament and the DUP and her own brexiteer hardliners have said they will bring down Mrs May if she does not retain the option of a hard brexit with no backstop for NI, JC makes his demands and they put Mrs May in a position where she has to jump one way or the other and each means she looses the vote of 'No Confidence' that must surely follow. And still you think he is an ineffectual leader of the opposition. My god you remind me of Hitler's minions in late 44 early 45. Your so convinced of your so convinced of your leaders abilities you cant see that you have had your chance and the wind of change is upon you! Of course JRM and his chums see the writing on the wall that is why they are transferring their loot out of the country before the maelstrom catches up with them. JRM was cracking open the champagne after May's deal was rejected the other night, he thinks a no deal is coming, so he's hardly In retreat, lol. As for Corbyn's plan to keep on calling repeated no confidence votes, the lib dems have now said they won't back Corbyn unless he calls for another referendum. Corbyn doesn't want to call another referendum. " JRM needs a lesson in party loyalty, as do his cretinous henchmen. You talk about Labour being divided - a champagne redeption for the riff raff who voted against their own leader in order to stop a deal and who tried to bring her down before Xmas. Charlatans, liars and chancers | |||
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"and yet someseem to think its those in parliament that should be making the decicion to stop the result of the referendum because the voters were too thick
Not too thick, deliberately misinformed and gaslighted.
And, yes, I for one think that MP's should remember the oath they swore to protect and serve the country and as a very minimum give the final decision to the people once we can see exactly what brexit will look like.
But they wont, they will all look after No1 and the directorships they are looking to move into once their parliamentary careers are over rather than the interests of the country.
Just my opinion and belief, so really of little significance.
Both sides can be accused of missleading the voter virtually none of the things that remain forecast would happen straight after the vote have. As for all the scares about a hrad brexit Funny how they all talk about tariffs on food products and cars but never mention that the average tariff is less than 4% even allowing for the distortion of those two sectors, time to call the EU's bluff
4% is a big deal in business, especially for companies using economies of scale as they shift lots of goods at cheaper prices."Indeed. Tesco's net profit margin is less than 2% | |||
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" I think corbyn secretly would thats why he is doing nothing,see the country go down the pan(which i dont think it will) so he can blame the tories and turn the uk into a socialist country for decades that has been his goal all along.They are not worried about busting the country john mcdonell did it with the glc and is now labours chancellor,couldnt make it up. I don't agree about Corbyn, but let's assume you are correct and consider, too, the analogy much-favoured by jingoistic Brexiteers of wartime Britain. A country on its knees after taking on a European adversary, broke, shortages of everything, wreckage everywhere - and a determination not to return to the deprivation of the late 1930s. A labour government elected by landslide on the most radical programme of change ever seen: a) no more paying to see a doctor - free healthcare for all b) no more paying to have your child educated - free state education for every child c) no more squalor - a massive programme of council-house building d) no more idleness - a job for life for those who could work in nationalised industry e) no more destitution - a welfare system for the elderly and those unable to work Corbyn says Clement Atlee is the Labour politician he most admires. I just hope Britain doesn't have to go through the same misery and suffering before a Labour government is swept into office with an equally radical programme to transform Britain. Remainers often accuse Brexiteers of bringing up the war, but yet here we are again with a remainer bringing it into the discussion first. It's increasingly Remainers who bring up the war, not Brexiteers. " How you can read one thing and come to the opposite conclusion is mind blowing | |||
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"If we say no deal off the table then we’re giving the EU the power and they’ll give us a even worse deal.. Am I the only ones who’s read the art or negotiations lol" As one of the guests said earlier on sky news press preview, asking Theresa May to take no deal off the table would be like telling trade unions to take strike action off the table before you agree to talk with them. Corbyn's position is nonsense and it isn't going to happen. | |||
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"I'm so convinced of my leaders abilities lol, I've never said that, I think the Torries are terrible, JC's worse in my claptrap opinion
cant see that you have had your chance and the wind of change is upon you!
What the hell does that mean lol
Hey, if you think JC is all singing & dancing then great, good for you mate, I think he's a flaccid sack of nothingness and to say how much bad press is going on over this Brexit stupidity the Torries are still ahead of Labour in the polls goes to show something is exceedingly wrong with Labour and that problem I think is its leadet
And still you don't get it.
I point out exactly what has happened in the last month and exactly what Corybn has done, and rather than consider it and maybe put forward a counterpoint you recycle the same garbage.
I will now point out that it is the same garbage that has been pouring out of the rightwing populist media for the last 3 1/2 years and so far it has been proven wrong at every turn. Rather than reading and then spouting the latest daily mail/express/telegraph/sun talking point why don't you start comparing the stories and noticing how often his political enemies are having to publish retractions and apologies and dig in their pockets and make donations in Mr Corbyn's name to charities of his choice or face open and closed deformations cases. If the man were really the idiot that he is portrayed to be by the rightwing press then they would not be continually attempting to discredit him and ferment revolution to remove him in the Labour Party.
No one puts sustained effort into removing an incompetent opponent. One does what JC has done to May and the Tories, you quietly leave them to weaken themselves and only move when you know your move will fatally wound or destroy them. May and the Tories are now fatally wounded, JC's next move will destroy them unless the rightwing can find enough quislings in the PLP to do their dirty work for them.divering
"You sound almost like a BREXITER talking about BREXIT. Personally I don't think Corbyn is the Great Saviour many seem to think but neither the total idiot others try to make out. On the BREXIT vote and talks with May, I think he's got it tactically wrong. He should speak to May in person, even if only to tell her in person that there's nothing further to talk about until 'no deal' is off the table. Writing letters back and forth simply doesn't cut it. The Labour tactic of deliberate ambiguity over BREXIT has served then reasonably well up to now but it surly can't continue much longer. Corbyn's refusal to talk to May and his unwillingness to move past a never ending series of confidence votes is starting to look like dithering. More indecision is not what the country is looking for right now. And even if his tactic could work and force a general election that's not what people want right now either, that simply makes it look like he's putting his party's interests before the country's. The people are crying out for both leadership and effective opposition. Despite what you claim to Corbyn's credit, I see little of either coming from him. | |||
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"You may not have noticed, but the Labour Party is the biggest party in the UK. In fact there are nearly as many members of the Labour Party as in all the other parties combined.... Labour may be the biggest political party in the UK .... but there is no getting away from the fact that to take 'no deal' off the table a parliamentary act to revoke Article 50 is needed ... that's not going to happen therefore 'no deal' is what will happen if an agreement isn't reached as per the already enshrined parliamentary act... Lets see what Plan B brings on Monday ... though my gut says its the same as Plan A with a dusting of icing sugar " What makes you think there'll be icing sugar? May will basically say on Monday what she's been saying since June. "This is the deal, it's a good deal and there is no other deal other than my deal". And the reason why she'll do that is because, basically, she's right. There is no other deal and it is the best deal we're going to get. The problem is Remainers, and quite a few Leavers, think it's worse than the deal we currently have and a lot of Leavers think it's worse than 'no deal'. | |||
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"Considering he's seen as so bad, and so 'flaccid' by you Right Wingers you would think that the Nasty Party would have had a landslide victory at the last General Election.... Remind us all, just how close was that last election? I think you doubters actually fear Corbyn as you wouldn't bother slagging him off if you thought he had no chance of leading Labour into an election win next time round. " Beyond saying that I don't agree with him I seldom slagg Corbyn off. I do sometimes criticise him. I'm quite happy to admit that I think Corbyn has a reasonable chance of winning the next election, although not as good as it should be given the total disarray the Conservative Party is in. But the question has to be asked, why isn't Labour doing better? I think it's Jeremy. He simply doesn't appeal to dissolutioned Conservatives like myself and without them it will be very difficult for Labour to win any general election. | |||
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"He's a total numpty. If the PM were to take 'no deal' off the table then the EU would walk all over us even more than they have already because what he is saying is that he will accept whatever they give us. Clearly no experience in negotiating. You must always be prepared to walk away. Others who have dealt with the EU's negotiators have said the same thing - you xan not negotiate with them. They don't compromise. They are inflexible. The only way we will get a decent deal is if we now progress along the no deal route. David Davis has even said before that, if the EU were seriously facing the prospect of us leaving without a deal in the last few days of March, that's when they will begin making concessions. I said it right at the start. No deal should have been our initial position." What concession are you hoping to get from the EU now? | |||
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" David Davis has even said before that, if the EU were seriously facing the prospect of us leaving without a deal in the last few days of March, that's when they will begin making concessions. ." We are in this mess because of that man's stupidity at negotiation. | |||
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" David Davis has even said before that, if the EU were seriously facing the prospect of us leaving without a deal in the last few days of March, that's when they will begin making concessions. . We are in this mess because of that man's stupidity at negotiation. " Did he have any real input into the negotiations! It seems like it was Teresa's deal all along with a few leavers thrown in to make it look good.  | |||
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"i was referring to the conclusion of the phase one negotiation. The day after, Davies went on TV and played down the inclusion of a backstop, saying it was just a gentleman's agreement that had no legal status. The alarm bells started ringing very loudly in Dublin in that point. Dublin simply did not trust London to keep its word. Hence the inclusion of the backstop in the legal agreement - the clause that sunk Mrs May's proposal in the House of Commons. Dublin and the EU will not budge on that. We have David Davies to thank for that. Not the only stupid thing he came out with, but by far the most damaging. " I which case he needs our thanks otherwise they may have voted for Teresa's crap deal! | |||
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" I which case he needs our thanks otherwise they may have voted for Teresa's crap deal!" Good luck trying to reconcile No Deal with the Good Friday Agreement then. | |||
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" I which case he needs our thanks otherwise they may have voted for Teresa's crap deal! Good luck trying to reconcile No Deal with the Good Friday Agreement then. " It's been explained to you before on other threads, if we leave on no deal we'll then be able to negotiate a Canada Style free trade agreement with the EU as a 3rd country. Under WTO rules we get a 10 year exemption on border controls in Ireland while the free trade deal Is being negotiated so the good Friday agreement is respected. We can trade with the EU on WTO rules until the free trade deal is concluded. | |||
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" I which case he needs our thanks otherwise they may have voted for Teresa's crap deal! Good luck trying to reconcile No Deal with the Good Friday Agreement then. It's been explained to you before on other threads, if we leave on no deal we'll then be able to negotiate a Canada Style free trade agreement with the EU as a 3rd country. Under WTO rules we get a 10 year exemption on border controls in Ireland while the free trade deal Is being negotiated so the good Friday agreement is respected. We can trade with the EU on WTO rules until the free trade deal is concluded. " In December 2017, Michel Barnier assumed that the U.K. would have to have a Canada style trade deal and that is why the Irish backstop was put in place in the Phase 1 document. As you may recall, David Davis accuses Barnier of posturing and that Barniers graphic was not representative of the U.K. way of thinking. I asked you previously... when did David Davis change from being dead against a Canada type deal to being a champion for it? It seems strange that within the space of a year he could be so critical of an idea touted by his opponent and now claims it as his own. | |||
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" I which case he needs our thanks otherwise they may have voted for Teresa's crap deal! Good luck trying to reconcile No Deal with the Good Friday Agreement then. It's been explained to you before on other threads, if we leave on no deal we'll then be able to negotiate a Canada Style free trade agreement with the EU as a 3rd country. Under WTO rules we get a 10 year exemption on border controls in Ireland while the free trade deal Is being negotiated so the good Friday agreement is respected. We can trade with the EU on WTO rules until the free trade deal is concluded. In December 2017, Michel Barnier assumed that the U.K. would have to have a Canada style trade deal and that is why the Irish backstop was put in place in the Phase 1 document. As you may recall, David Davis accuses Barnier of posturing and that Barniers graphic was not representative of the U.K. way of thinking. I asked you previously... when did David Davis change from being dead against a Canada type deal to being a champion for it? It seems strange that within the space of a year he could be so critical of an idea touted by his opponent and now claims it as his own." Don't think he can answer that one without looking very silly. | |||
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" I which case he needs our thanks otherwise they may have voted for Teresa's crap deal! Good luck trying to reconcile No Deal with the Good Friday Agreement then. It's been explained to you before on other threads, if we leave on no deal we'll then be able to negotiate a Canada Style free trade agreement with the EU as a 3rd country. Under WTO rules we get a 10 year exemption on border controls in Ireland while the free trade deal Is being negotiated so the good Friday agreement is respected. We can trade with the EU on WTO rules until the free trade deal is concluded. " Ha! You have been slagging the EU for its porous border, you have been demanding controls on everything and everyone coming into the UK - and now you want none of that for ten years! Canada was on the table two years ago but, oh no, you leavers did not want that. You are making this up as you go along. No wonder the EU is just sitting back and watching the UK fall to bits. There was no plan in 2016 and still there is no plan in 2019. Reckless doesn’t even been to desribe the harm being inflicted on the UK. | |||
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"I do not think Keir Starmer would have made such a mess of it. He may never lead the Labour Party, but he is a heavyweight intellectual with a forensic brain. " I honestly think Labour would have a good chance of taking power with Keir Starmer as leader. | |||
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" I which case he needs our thanks otherwise they may have voted for Teresa's crap deal! Good luck trying to reconcile No Deal with the Good Friday Agreement then. It's been explained to you before on other threads, if we leave on no deal we'll then be able to negotiate a Canada Style free trade agreement with the EU as a 3rd country. Under WTO rules we get a 10 year exemption on border controls in Ireland while the free trade deal Is being negotiated so the good Friday agreement is respected. We can trade with the EU on WTO rules until the free trade deal is concluded. " My understanding from reading about this “ten year rule” is that it’s used to transition to a FTA not a negotiation period. That is, it’s when the details of the FTA are agreed but for some reason not all parts can be implemented immediately. So you do the rest on agreed terms, and the difficult bits will come in within a “reasonable time”. So you can’t say Canada like without specifying what the “like” actually means etc, but have the treaty ready to sign before you the “transition period” kicks in ... | |||
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"Ditching Abbot would help too. " They could swap her for Russ Abbott at least we would laugh at him for the right reasons! | |||
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"I do not think Keir Starmer would have made such a mess of it. He may never lead the Labour Party, but he is a heavyweight intellectual with a forensic brain. " Honestly, I don't think it would have mattered who did the negotiating, the deal was always going to be either in the Customs Union or some kind of backstop for Northern Ireland. It's part of the BREXIT delusion that, if only someone other than May, Davis, Radd (make your own choice) had run the show we'd have got something better. It feeds into their fantasy that there is some sort of good BREXIT out there and if we just had the right person in charge we could get it. The reality is is that there is no good BREXIT, that the problem with BREXIT is not the person negotiating it, the problem with BREXIT is BREXIT. | |||
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" I which case he needs our thanks otherwise they may have voted for Teresa's crap deal! Good luck trying to reconcile No Deal with the Good Friday Agreement then. It's been explained to you before on other threads, if we leave on no deal we'll then be able to negotiate a Canada Style free trade agreement with the EU as a 3rd country. Under WTO rules we get a 10 year exemption on border controls in Ireland while the free trade deal Is being negotiated so the good Friday agreement is respected. We can trade with the EU on WTO rules until the free trade deal is concluded. " And you've been told even more times that that is nothing but another BREXIT myth. | |||
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"Ditching Abbot would help too. They could swap her for Russ Abbott at least we would laugh at him for the right reasons! "Here's some comedy for you : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae5t1CZFCU8 | |||
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"There are minorities within some of these that would welcome a no deal, such as the ReesMogg ERG. " There is not a single MP, even in the Rees Mogg grouping, saying No Deal is what they want. In public anyway. | |||
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"There are minorities within some of these that would welcome a no deal, such as the ReesMogg ERG. There is not a single MP, even in the Rees Mogg grouping, saying No Deal is what they want. In public anyway. " I stand corrected - they aren't stating this as a desired outcome. Thanks Sara | |||
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