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"Important decisions that will affect a nation’s fate or humanity’s fate cannot be left to the referendums! Which take complex issues and distill them in to a popularist “Yes” or “No” option with no compromise being available. Because such decisions require good knowledge of history; they require a sound reason and a powerful logic and masses often do not have such characteristics! The question on this Ballot paper is Referendums : Yes or No Vote now.... "If done properly then yes | |||
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"If done properly then yes" So why go to the expense of having an informed legislature? All we need is an executive and a properly done referendum authority... Do you see a problem? | |||
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"Yes. It is the people who are sovereign, not the institutions that govern them. " Lets be honest Sara, it is the Establishment that is Sovereign. All referendums do is give legitimacy to establishments that need to abrogate responsibility for their incompetence or (in the most part) downright corruption. | |||
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"If done properly then yes So why go to the expense of having an informed legislature? All we need is an executive and a properly done referendum authority... Do you see a problem?" I didn't say we should have a referendum on every single decision a countries government makes. | |||
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"I didn't say we should have a referendum on every single decision a countries government makes. " Ah right. So referendums only when choices are difficult and the legislature want to duck an unduckable issue. Again I ask, why have a legislature? Round about now you may be noticing the corner you are finding yourself in... That is because we have governments and legislatures because we need bodies of informed representatives to make hard choices on our behalf. The problem comes when our representatives forget who employs who and start treating their employers as servants! | |||
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"I didn't say we should have a referendum on every single decision a countries government makes. Ah right. So referendums only when choices are difficult and the legislature want to duck an unduckable issue. Again I ask, why have a legislature? Round about now you may be noticing the corner you are finding yourself in... That is because we have governments and legislatures because we need bodies of informed representatives to make hard choices on our behalf. The problem comes when our representatives forget who employs who and start treating their employers as servants!" The idea of having an excutive and a legislative is first and foremost to separate powers in order to prevent abuse of concentrated powers (extreme case dictatorship) Holding referendums on particular issues doesn't make a legislative redundant. | |||
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" Round about now you may be noticing the corner you are finding yourself in..." You don't half talk shit sometimes mate. My point was the people having more say in how we form our laws done properly can only be a good thing. If you want less say in this then that's your opinion. | |||
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"I didn't say we should have a referendum on every single decision a countries government makes. Ah right. So referendums only when choices are difficult and the legislature want to duck an unduckable issue. " Where did I say that.... I didn't so don't start changing what I said so it suits your agenda. So, where did I say that? | |||
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"I didn't say we should have a referendum on every single decision a countries government makes. Ah right. So referendums only when choices are difficult and the legislature want to duck an unduckable issue. Again I ask, why have a legislature? Round about now you may be noticing the corner you are finding yourself in... That is because we have governments and legislatures because we need bodies of informed representatives to make hard choices on our behalf. The problem comes when our representatives forget who employs who and start treating their employers as servants!" So why is parliament trying to stop brexit, they had a clear order and are trying to ignore it | |||
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"I didn't say we should have a referendum on every single decision a countries government makes. Ah right. So referendums only when choices are difficult and the legislature want to duck an unduckable issue. Again I ask, why have a legislature? Round about now you may be noticing the corner you are finding yourself in... That is because we have governments and legislatures because we need bodies of informed representatives to make hard choices on our behalf. The problem comes when our representatives forget who employs who and start treating their employers as servants! So why is parliament trying to stop brexit, they had a clear order and are trying to ignore it" When both leave campaigns have been found guilty of breaking the law in a sovereign British court? Flawed ! | |||
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"I didn't say we should have a referendum on every single decision a countries government makes. Ah right. So referendums only when choices are difficult and the legislature want to duck an unduckable issue. Again I ask, why have a legislature? Round about now you may be noticing the corner you are finding yourself in... That is because we have governments and legislatures because we need bodies of informed representatives to make hard choices on our behalf. The problem comes when our representatives forget who employs who and start treating their employers as servants! So why is parliament trying to stop brexit, they had a clear order and are trying to ignore it When both leave campaigns have been found guilty of breaking the law in a sovereign British court? Flawed !" So then we should remove labour MPs seeing as they were fined a record amount for election expense errors | |||
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"Yes we should have referendums. They are the purest form of direct democracy. Once one is held then the decision/result needs to be fully implemented. "Indeed they should be legally binding from the start and everyone should be aware of that. No reruns and especially no renegs... | |||
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"I didn't say we should have a referendum on every single decision a countries government makes. Ah right. So referendums only when choices are difficult and the legislature want to duck an unduckable issue. Again I ask, why have a legislature? Round about now you may be noticing the corner you are finding yourself in... That is because we have governments and legislatures because we need bodies of informed representatives to make hard choices on our behalf. The problem comes when our representatives forget who employs who and start treating their employers as servants! So why is parliament trying to stop brexit, they had a clear order and are trying to ignore it" This is the lie that keeps being shouted. Parliament, specifically this government, cannot find and acceptable Brexit. The task was not specified. "Leave the EU" which despite the other layers of rubbish is anything between staying in the customs union and accepting free movement to hard Brexit. It is undeliverable. They are not delivering it because they cannot. This should have been a cross party conversation started two years ago, not 70 days before the deadline. A second referendum is not some sort of plot to prevent Brexit unless you think that the UK population no longer thinks that leaving is a good idea. There is no other interpretation. | |||
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"I didn't say we should have a referendum on every single decision a countries government makes. Ah right. So referendums only when choices are difficult and the legislature want to duck an unduckable issue. Again I ask, why have a legislature? Round about now you may be noticing the corner you are finding yourself in... That is because we have governments and legislatures because we need bodies of informed representatives to make hard choices on our behalf. The problem comes when our representatives forget who employs who and start treating their employers as servants! So why is parliament trying to stop brexit, they had a clear order and are trying to ignore it This is the lie that keeps being shouted. Parliament, specifically this government, cannot find and acceptable Brexit. The task was not specified. "Leave the EU" which despite the other layers of rubbish is anything between staying in the customs union and accepting free movement to hard Brexit. It is undeliverable. They are not delivering it because they cannot. This should have been a cross party conversation started two years ago, not 70 days before the deadline. A second referendum is not some sort of plot to prevent Brexit unless you think that the UK population no longer thinks that leaving is a good idea. There is no other interpretation." As things stand people are sick and tired of hearing about BREXIT, it has been treated like a hot potato from the start. However, those of us who voted leave, as well as some who were boarderline remainers, will feel that democracy has been betrayed, should we be forced to do it all again. So a second referendum could bite the govt and all the remoaners right on the backside. | |||
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"I didn't say we should have a referendum on every single decision a countries government makes. Ah right. So referendums only when choices are difficult and the legislature want to duck an unduckable issue. Again I ask, why have a legislature? Round about now you may be noticing the corner you are finding yourself in... That is because we have governments and legislatures because we need bodies of informed representatives to make hard choices on our behalf. The problem comes when our representatives forget who employs who and start treating their employers as servants! So why is parliament trying to stop brexit, they had a clear order and are trying to ignore it This is the lie that keeps being shouted. Parliament, specifically this government, cannot find and acceptable Brexit. The task was not specified. "Leave the EU" which despite the other layers of rubbish is anything between staying in the customs union and accepting free movement to hard Brexit. It is undeliverable. They are not delivering it because they cannot. This should have been a cross party conversation started two years ago, not 70 days before the deadline. A second referendum is not some sort of plot to prevent Brexit unless you think that the UK population no longer thinks that leaving is a good idea. There is no other interpretation." of corse it’s a plot to keep us in otherwise why the hell have a second vote if the vote came back remain then the country’s split even more if it comes back leave we are in same position now so the only gain can be for remianers to try keep us in there can be no gain for leavers | |||
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"A second referendum is remainers last card there is nothing to be gained by leavers at all." Don't be negative! You could win 70/30! | |||
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"A second referendum is remainers last card there is nothing to be gained by leavers at all. Don't be negative! You could win 70/30!" Could well do but what would that change? absolutely nothing . | |||
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"A second referendum is remainers last card there is nothing to be gained by leavers at all. Don't be negative! You could win 70/30!Could well do but what would that change? absolutely nothing ." Your wrong it would change everything! Provided you didn't cheat next time! | |||
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"A second referendum is remainers last card there is nothing to be gained by leavers at all. Don't be negative! You could win 70/30!Could well do but what would that change? absolutely nothing . Your wrong it would change everything! Provided you didn't cheat next time!" No it would,nt what would it change?you lot would just want another one anyway. | |||
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"I didn't say we should have a referendum on every single decision a countries government makes. Ah right. So referendums only when choices are difficult and the legislature want to duck an unduckable issue. Again I ask, why have a legislature? Round about now you may be noticing the corner you are finding yourself in... That is because we have governments and legislatures because we need bodies of informed representatives to make hard choices on our behalf. The problem comes when our representatives forget who employs who and start treating their employers as servants! So why is parliament trying to stop brexit, they had a clear order and are trying to ignore it This is the lie that keeps being shouted. Parliament, specifically this government, cannot find and acceptable Brexit. The task was not specified. "Leave the EU" which despite the other layers of rubbish is anything between staying in the customs union and accepting free movement to hard Brexit. It is undeliverable. They are not delivering it because they cannot. This should have been a cross party conversation started two years ago, not 70 days before the deadline. A second referendum is not some sort of plot to prevent Brexit unless you think that the UK population no longer thinks that leaving is a good idea. There is no other interpretation. As things stand people are sick and tired of hearing about BREXIT, it has been treated like a hot potato from the start. However, those of us who voted leave, as well as some who were boarderline remainers, will feel that democracy has been betrayed, should we be forced to do it all again. So a second referendum could bite the govt and all the remoaners right on the backside." Most people who voted either way don't really care. They made a decision because they felt that they had to. By definition, if you vote again it is not possible to say that democracy has been "betrayed". The question is also now different because it is a more honest, binary choice for yes/no. No deal Brexit or Remain. No ambiguity this time as claims of an imaginary perfect deal for the UK cannot be made now. | |||
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"I didn't say we should have a referendum on every single decision a countries government makes. Ah right. So referendums only when choices are difficult and the legislature want to duck an unduckable issue. Again I ask, why have a legislature? Round about now you may be noticing the corner you are finding yourself in... That is because we have governments and legislatures because we need bodies of informed representatives to make hard choices on our behalf. The problem comes when our representatives forget who employs who and start treating their employers as servants! So why is parliament trying to stop brexit, they had a clear order and are trying to ignore it This is the lie that keeps being shouted. Parliament, specifically this government, cannot find and acceptable Brexit. The task was not specified. "Leave the EU" which despite the other layers of rubbish is anything between staying in the customs union and accepting free movement to hard Brexit. It is undeliverable. They are not delivering it because they cannot. This should have been a cross party conversation started two years ago, not 70 days before the deadline. A second referendum is not some sort of plot to prevent Brexit unless you think that the UK population no longer thinks that leaving is a good idea. There is no other interpretation. As things stand people are sick and tired of hearing about BREXIT, it has been treated like a hot potato from the start. However, those of us who voted leave, as well as some who were boarderline remainers, will feel that democracy has been betrayed, should we be forced to do it all again. So a second referendum could bite the govt and all the remoaners right on the backside. Most people who voted either way don't really care. They made a decision because they felt that they had to. By definition, if you vote again it is not possible to say that democracy has been "betrayed". The question is also now different because it is a more honest, binary choice for yes/no. No deal Brexit or Remain. No ambiguity this time as claims of an imaginary perfect deal for the UK cannot be made now." Most people who voted didnt really care? are you having a laugh 72% of the country voted on this. | |||
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"I didn't say we should have a referendum on every single decision a countries government makes. Ah right. So referendums only when choices are difficult and the legislature want to duck an unduckable issue. Again I ask, why have a legislature? Round about now you may be noticing the corner you are finding yourself in... That is because we have governments and legislatures because we need bodies of informed representatives to make hard choices on our behalf. The problem comes when our representatives forget who employs who and start treating their employers as servants! So why is parliament trying to stop brexit, they had a clear order and are trying to ignore it This is the lie that keeps being shouted. Parliament, specifically this government, cannot find and acceptable Brexit. The task was not specified. "Leave the EU" which despite the other layers of rubbish is anything between staying in the customs union and accepting free movement to hard Brexit. It is undeliverable. They are not delivering it because they cannot. This should have been a cross party conversation started two years ago, not 70 days before the deadline. A second referendum is not some sort of plot to prevent Brexit unless you think that the UK population no longer thinks that leaving is a good idea. There is no other interpretation.of corse it’s a plot to keep us in otherwise why the hell have a second vote if the vote came back remain then the country’s split even more if it comes back leave we are in same position now so the only gain can be for remianers to try keep us in there can be no gain for leavers " You often stir the pot and point out other people's errors, but this is a pretty poor effort. The country cannot be any more divided. The point of a second referendum is not "to win". That's the entire problem. That's where everybody's bullshit comes from. The purpose is to inform the electorate dispassionately about the risk and reward of both positions and ascertain their view. The government should have no position. It doesn't in reality whatever May claims. This will not happen of course. Regardless, the reality of some of the leave options that were presented has become apparent. The decision is now far more binary and allows a yes/no. We cannot get a rainbows and unicorns deal. It is no deal or remain. The only reason not to have a second referendum is if it is clear that the UK population has not changed it's mind. Considering how much has changed demographically and with the events that have transpired I don't think that judgement can be made. Do you? | |||
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"I didn't say we should have a referendum on every single decision a countries government makes. Ah right. So referendums only when choices are difficult and the legislature want to duck an unduckable issue. Again I ask, why have a legislature? Round about now you may be noticing the corner you are finding yourself in... That is because we have governments and legislatures because we need bodies of informed representatives to make hard choices on our behalf. The problem comes when our representatives forget who employs who and start treating their employers as servants! So why is parliament trying to stop brexit, they had a clear order and are trying to ignore it This is the lie that keeps being shouted. Parliament, specifically this government, cannot find and acceptable Brexit. The task was not specified. "Leave the EU" which despite the other layers of rubbish is anything between staying in the customs union and accepting free movement to hard Brexit. It is undeliverable. They are not delivering it because they cannot. This should have been a cross party conversation started two years ago, not 70 days before the deadline. A second referendum is not some sort of plot to prevent Brexit unless you think that the UK population no longer thinks that leaving is a good idea. There is no other interpretation. As things stand people are sick and tired of hearing about BREXIT, it has been treated like a hot potato from the start. However, those of us who voted leave, as well as some who were boarderline remainers, will feel that democracy has been betrayed, should we be forced to do it all again. So a second referendum could bite the govt and all the remoaners right on the backside. Most people who voted either way don't really care. They made a decision because they felt that they had to. By definition, if you vote again it is not possible to say that democracy has been "betrayed". The question is also now different because it is a more honest, binary choice for yes/no. No deal Brexit or Remain. No ambiguity this time as claims of an imaginary perfect deal for the UK cannot be made now.Most people who voted didnt really care? are you having a laugh 72% of the country voted on this." No. Read what I wrote. For 40 years it made no different to most people if they were in or out of the EU. They had to think about it for a short period of time using a lot of poor information. Most people made a choice because they were forced to, not because they wanted to or because they have a strong opinion on the matter. | |||
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"I didn't say we should have a referendum on every single decision a countries government makes. Ah right. So referendums only when choices are difficult and the legislature want to duck an unduckable issue. Again I ask, why have a legislature? Round about now you may be noticing the corner you are finding yourself in... That is because we have governments and legislatures because we need bodies of informed representatives to make hard choices on our behalf. The problem comes when our representatives forget who employs who and start treating their employers as servants! So why is parliament trying to stop brexit, they had a clear order and are trying to ignore it This is the lie that keeps being shouted. Parliament, specifically this government, cannot find and acceptable Brexit. The task was not specified. "Leave the EU" which despite the other layers of rubbish is anything between staying in the customs union and accepting free movement to hard Brexit. It is undeliverable. They are not delivering it because they cannot. This should have been a cross party conversation started two years ago, not 70 days before the deadline. A second referendum is not some sort of plot to prevent Brexit unless you think that the UK population no longer thinks that leaving is a good idea. There is no other interpretation. As things stand people are sick and tired of hearing about BREXIT, it has been treated like a hot potato from the start. However, those of us who voted leave, as well as some who were boarderline remainers, will feel that democracy has been betrayed, should we be forced to do it all again. So a second referendum could bite the govt and all the remoaners right on the backside. Most people who voted either way don't really care. They made a decision because they felt that they had to. By definition, if you vote again it is not possible to say that democracy has been "betrayed". The question is also now different because it is a more honest, binary choice for yes/no. No deal Brexit or Remain. No ambiguity this time as claims of an imaginary perfect deal for the UK cannot be made now.Most people who voted didnt really care? are you having a laugh 72% of the country voted on this. No. Read what I wrote. For 40 years it made no different to most people if they were in or out of the EU. They had to think about it for a short period of time using a lot of poor information. Most people made a choice because they were forced to, not because they wanted to or because they have a strong opinion on the matter." How were they forced? unlike some countries its not compulsory to vote. | |||
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"I didn't say we should have a referendum on every single decision a countries government makes. Ah right. So referendums only when choices are difficult and the legislature want to duck an unduckable issue. Again I ask, why have a legislature? Round about now you may be noticing the corner you are finding yourself in... That is because we have governments and legislatures because we need bodies of informed representatives to make hard choices on our behalf. The problem comes when our representatives forget who employs who and start treating their employers as servants! So why is parliament trying to stop brexit, they had a clear order and are trying to ignore it This is the lie that keeps being shouted. Parliament, specifically this government, cannot find and acceptable Brexit. The task was not specified. "Leave the EU" which despite the other layers of rubbish is anything between staying in the customs union and accepting free movement to hard Brexit. It is undeliverable. They are not delivering it because they cannot. This should have been a cross party conversation started two years ago, not 70 days before the deadline. A second referendum is not some sort of plot to prevent Brexit unless you think that the UK population no longer thinks that leaving is a good idea. There is no other interpretation.of corse it’s a plot to keep us in otherwise why the hell have a second vote if the vote came back remain then the country’s split even more if it comes back leave we are in same position now so the only gain can be for remianers to try keep us in there can be no gain for leavers You often stir the pot and point out other people's errors, but this is a pretty poor effort. The country cannot be any more divided. The point of a second referendum is not "to win". That's the entire problem. That's where everybody's bullshit comes from. The purpose is to inform the electorate dispassionately about the risk and reward of both positions and ascertain their view. The government should have no position. It doesn't in reality whatever May claims. This will not happen of course. Regardless, the reality of some of the leave options that were presented has become apparent. The decision is now far more binary and allows a yes/no. We cannot get a rainbows and unicorns deal. It is no deal or remain. The only reason not to have a second referendum is if it is clear that the UK population has not changed it's mind. Considering how much has changed demographically and with the events that have transpired I don't think that judgement can be made. Do you?"  | |||
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"I didn't say we should have a referendum on every single decision a countries government makes. Ah right. So referendums only when choices are difficult and the legislature want to duck an unduckable issue. Again I ask, why have a legislature? Round about now you may be noticing the corner you are finding yourself in... That is because we have governments and legislatures because we need bodies of informed representatives to make hard choices on our behalf. The problem comes when our representatives forget who employs who and start treating their employers as servants! So why is parliament trying to stop brexit, they had a clear order and are trying to ignore it" You have spoiled your ballot paper by mentioning Brexit.... this is about the principle of referendums .... Yes or No.... | |||
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"I didn't say we should have a referendum on every single decision a countries government makes. Ah right. So referendums only when choices are difficult and the legislature want to duck an unduckable issue. Again I ask, why have a legislature? Round about now you may be noticing the corner you are finding yourself in... That is because we have governments and legislatures because we need bodies of informed representatives to make hard choices on our behalf. The problem comes when our representatives forget who employs who and start treating their employers as servants! So why is parliament trying to stop brexit, they had a clear order and are trying to ignore it This is the lie that keeps being shouted. Parliament, specifically this government, cannot find and acceptable Brexit. The task was not specified. "Leave the EU" which despite the other layers of rubbish is anything between staying in the customs union and accepting free movement to hard Brexit. It is undeliverable. They are not delivering it because they cannot. This should have been a cross party conversation started two years ago, not 70 days before the deadline. A second referendum is not some sort of plot to prevent Brexit unless you think that the UK population no longer thinks that leaving is a good idea. There is no other interpretation. As things stand people are sick and tired of hearing about BREXIT, it has been treated like a hot potato from the start. However, those of us who voted leave, as well as some who were boarderline remainers, will feel that democracy has been betrayed, should we be forced to do it all again. So a second referendum could bite the govt and all the remoaners right on the backside. Most people who voted either way don't really care. They made a decision because they felt that they had to. By definition, if you vote again it is not possible to say that democracy has been "betrayed". The question is also now different because it is a more honest, binary choice for yes/no. No deal Brexit or Remain. No ambiguity this time as claims of an imaginary perfect deal for the UK cannot be made now.Most people who voted didnt really care? are you having a laugh 72% of the country voted on this. No. Read what I wrote. For 40 years it made no different to most people if they were in or out of the EU. They had to think about it for a short period of time using a lot of poor information. Most people made a choice because they were forced to, not because they wanted to or because they have a strong opinion on the matter.How were they forced? unlike some countries its not compulsory to vote." That's a silly point to focus on. Do you think that the majority of the population had a strong opinion on membership of the EU before the referendum beyond the odd Sun headline and nonsense about bendy bananas and unrelated human rights judgements? Was this referendum presented as vitally important for the future of the country? Did this make it seem important to vote even if they were unsure or didn't have a strong opinion? | |||
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"I didn't say we should have a referendum on every single decision a countries government makes. Ah right. So referendums only when choices are difficult and the legislature want to duck an unduckable issue. Again I ask, why have a legislature? Round about now you may be noticing the corner you are finding yourself in... That is because we have governments and legislatures because we need bodies of informed representatives to make hard choices on our behalf. The problem comes when our representatives forget who employs who and start treating their employers as servants! So why is parliament trying to stop brexit, they had a clear order and are trying to ignore it This is the lie that keeps being shouted. Parliament, specifically this government, cannot find and acceptable Brexit. The task was not specified. "Leave the EU" which despite the other layers of rubbish is anything between staying in the customs union and accepting free movement to hard Brexit. It is undeliverable. They are not delivering it because they cannot. This should have been a cross party conversation started two years ago, not 70 days before the deadline. A second referendum is not some sort of plot to prevent Brexit unless you think that the UK population no longer thinks that leaving is a good idea. There is no other interpretation. As things stand people are sick and tired of hearing about BREXIT, it has been treated like a hot potato from the start. However, those of us who voted leave, as well as some who were boarderline remainers, will feel that democracy has been betrayed, should we be forced to do it all again. So a second referendum could bite the govt and all the remoaners right on the backside. Most people who voted either way don't really care. They made a decision because they felt that they had to. By definition, if you vote again it is not possible to say that democracy has been "betrayed". The question is also now different because it is a more honest, binary choice for yes/no. No deal Brexit or Remain. No ambiguity this time as claims of an imaginary perfect deal for the UK cannot be made now.Most people who voted didnt really care? are you having a laugh 72% of the country voted on this. No. Read what I wrote. For 40 years it made no different to most people if they were in or out of the EU. They had to think about it for a short period of time using a lot of poor information. Most people made a choice because they were forced to, not because they wanted to or because they have a strong opinion on the matter.How were they forced? unlike some countries its not compulsory to vote. That's a silly point to focus on. Do you think that the majority of the population had a strong opinion on membership of the EU before the referendum beyond the odd Sun headline and nonsense about bendy bananas and unrelated human rights judgements? Was this referendum presented as vitally important for the future of the country? Did this make it seem important to vote even if they were unsure or didn't have a strong opinion?" I don't want a 2nd referendum, because I want it proved who was right and who was wrong! However, if there is a fair referendum (no cheating) and the result is around 60% in favour of ? Then I would support that result, I might not like it, but I would support it! | |||
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"I didn't say we should have a referendum on every single decision a countries government makes. Ah right. So referendums only when choices are difficult and the legislature want to duck an unduckable issue. Again I ask, why have a legislature? Round about now you may be noticing the corner you are finding yourself in... That is because we have governments and legislatures because we need bodies of informed representatives to make hard choices on our behalf. The problem comes when our representatives forget who employs who and start treating their employers as servants! So why is parliament trying to stop brexit, they had a clear order and are trying to ignore it This is the lie that keeps being shouted. Parliament, specifically this government, cannot find and acceptable Brexit. The task was not specified. "Leave the EU" which despite the other layers of rubbish is anything between staying in the customs union and accepting free movement to hard Brexit. It is undeliverable. They are not delivering it because they cannot. This should have been a cross party conversation started two years ago, not 70 days before the deadline. A second referendum is not some sort of plot to prevent Brexit unless you think that the UK population no longer thinks that leaving is a good idea. There is no other interpretation. As things stand people are sick and tired of hearing about BREXIT, it has been treated like a hot potato from the start. However, those of us who voted leave, as well as some who were boarderline remainers, will feel that democracy has been betrayed, should we be forced to do it all again. So a second referendum could bite the govt and all the remoaners right on the backside. Most people who voted either way don't really care. They made a decision because they felt that they had to. By definition, if you vote again it is not possible to say that democracy has been "betrayed". The question is also now different because it is a more honest, binary choice for yes/no. No deal Brexit or Remain. No ambiguity this time as claims of an imaginary perfect deal for the UK cannot be made now.Most people who voted didnt really care? are you having a laugh 72% of the country voted on this. No. Read what I wrote. For 40 years it made no different to most people if they were in or out of the EU. They had to think about it for a short period of time using a lot of poor information. Most people made a choice because they were forced to, not because they wanted to or because they have a strong opinion on the matter.How were they forced? unlike some countries its not compulsory to vote. That's a silly point to focus on. Do you think that the majority of the population had a strong opinion on membership of the EU before the referendum beyond the odd Sun headline and nonsense about bendy bananas and unrelated human rights judgements? Was this referendum presented as vitally important for the future of the country? Did this make it seem important to vote even if they were unsure or didn't have a strong opinion?" “And it’s an advisory referendum... Oh, did we say advisory?” | |||
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"I didn't say we should have a referendum on every single decision a countries government makes. Ah right. So referendums only when choices are difficult and the legislature want to duck an unduckable issue. Again I ask, why have a legislature? Round about now you may be noticing the corner you are finding yourself in... That is because we have governments and legislatures because we need bodies of informed representatives to make hard choices on our behalf. The problem comes when our representatives forget who employs who and start treating their employers as servants! So why is parliament trying to stop brexit, they had a clear order and are trying to ignore it This is the lie that keeps being shouted. Parliament, specifically this government, cannot find and acceptable Brexit. The task was not specified. "Leave the EU" which despite the other layers of rubbish is anything between staying in the customs union and accepting free movement to hard Brexit. It is undeliverable. They are not delivering it because they cannot. This should have been a cross party conversation started two years ago, not 70 days before the deadline. A second referendum is not some sort of plot to prevent Brexit unless you think that the UK population no longer thinks that leaving is a good idea. There is no other interpretation. As things stand people are sick and tired of hearing about BREXIT, it has been treated like a hot potato from the start. However, those of us who voted leave, as well as some who were boarderline remainers, will feel that democracy has been betrayed, should we be forced to do it all again. So a second referendum could bite the govt and all the remoaners right on the backside. Most people who voted either way don't really care. They made a decision because they felt that they had to. By definition, if you vote again it is not possible to say that democracy has been "betrayed". The question is also now different because it is a more honest, binary choice for yes/no. No deal Brexit or Remain. No ambiguity this time as claims of an imaginary perfect deal for the UK cannot be made now.Most people who voted didnt really care? are you having a laugh 72% of the country voted on this. No. Read what I wrote. For 40 years it made no different to most people if they were in or out of the EU. They had to think about it for a short period of time using a lot of poor information. Most people made a choice because they were forced to, not because they wanted to or because they have a strong opinion on the matter.How were they forced? unlike some countries its not compulsory to vote. That's a silly point to focus on. Do you think that the majority of the population had a strong opinion on membership of the EU before the referendum beyond the odd Sun headline and nonsense about bendy bananas and unrelated human rights judgements? Was this referendum presented as vitally important for the future of the country? Did this make it seem important to vote even if they were unsure or didn't have a strong opinion? “And it’s an advisory referendum... Oh, did we say advisory?” " This is not about Brexit.... It’s about the principle of referendums.... Read the question don’t hijack with Brexit Simple question Referendums .... Yes or No | |||
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"Important decisions that will affect a nation’s fate or humanity’s fate cannot be left to the referendums! Which take complex issues and distill them in to a popularist “Yes” or “No” option with no compromise being available. Because such decisions require good knowledge of history; they require a sound reason and a powerful logic and masses often do not have such characteristics! The question on this Ballot paper is Referendums : Yes or No Vote now.... "Only with a 2/3 majority. If a question is too big for Parliament then it must be important. That can only happen if national support is very strong. Otherwise it's just an opinion poll, in which case add that to an election so that there is, at least, a large data set. | |||
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"Important decisions that will affect a nation’s fate or humanity’s fate cannot be left to the referendums! Which take complex issues and distill them in to a popularist “Yes” or “No” option with no compromise being available. Because such decisions require good knowledge of history; they require a sound reason and a powerful logic and masses often do not have such characteristics! The question on this Ballot paper is Referendums : Yes or No Vote now....
Only with a 2/3 majority.
If a question is too big for Parliament then it must be important. That can only happen if national support is very strong.
Otherwise it's just an opinion poll, in which case add that to an election so that there is, at least, a large data set. "It was added to an election. Parties with a promise to honour the referendum result and leave the EU gained 85% share of the overall vote in the 2017 general election. | |||
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