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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen " We leave the EU in any way. Obvs  | |||
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"we dont leave and corbyn gets in." This is getting so old! And what do you see happening in this Scenario? He is anti EU anyway Centy has pointed this out on many occasions. | |||
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"we dont leave and corbyn gets in. This is getting so old! And what do you see happening in this Scenario? He is anti EU anyway Centy has pointed this out on many occasions." Mate plenty will go wrong if he gets in,people talk about businesses leaving because of brexit it will be nothing in comparison if he gets in with his anti business ideas. | |||
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"we dont leave and corbyn gets in. This is getting so old! And what do you see happening in this Scenario? He is anti EU anyway Centy has pointed this out on many occasions." Oh forgot to mention he may be in favour of leaving but we all know momentum run the party and they want to stay hes so power hungry hye will agree to anything his party say. | |||
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"we dont leave and corbyn gets in. This is getting so old! And what do you see happening in this Scenario? He is anti EU anyway Centy has pointed this out on many occasions.Mate plenty will go wrong if he gets in,people talk about businesses leaving because of brexit it will be nothing in comparison if he gets in with his anti business ideas." Is that not “Project fear” but directed at something that you don’t want to happen? | |||
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"we dont leave and corbyn gets in. This is getting so old! And what do you see happening in this Scenario? He is anti EU anyway Centy has pointed this out on many occasions.Mate plenty will go wrong if he gets in,people talk about businesses leaving because of brexit it will be nothing in comparison if he gets in with his anti business ideas." What's gone so right under the Tories in the past 10 years? please elaborate on the 'plenty of things' that will go wrong. By the way I support neither party at this moment. | |||
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"we dont leave and corbyn gets in. This is getting so old! And what do you see happening in this Scenario? He is anti EU anyway Centy has pointed this out on many occasions.Mate plenty will go wrong if he gets in,people talk about businesses leaving because of brexit it will be nothing in comparison if he gets in with his anti business ideas. Is that not “Project fear” but directed at something that you don’t want to happen?" No he said in his last manifesto any company with over 250 workers has to hand 10% over to the workforce you think thats a good incentive to set up in the uk? unions will be given powers to strike in solidarity with other unions in europe .Where would you rather be if a company owner not in the uk with those sorts of laws. | |||
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"we dont leave and corbyn gets in. This is getting so old! And what do you see happening in this Scenario? He is anti EU anyway Centy has pointed this out on many occasions.Mate plenty will go wrong if he gets in,people talk about businesses leaving because of brexit it will be nothing in comparison if he gets in with his anti business ideas. Is that not “Project fear” but directed at something that you don’t want to happen?" No he said in his last manifesto any company with over 250 workers has to hand 10% over to the workforce you think thats a good incentive to set up in the uk? unions will be given powers to strike in solidarity with other unions in europe .Where would you rather be if a company owner not in the uk with those sorts of laws. | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen " you'll unfortunately never get an honest answer to that question..... i've been asking it here for the last 2 years!!!!
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen you'll unfortunately never get an honest answer to that question..... i've been asking it here for the last 2 years!!!!
good luck in trying though...."that’s because know one actually really knows apart from the few on fab who have crystal balls lol | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen you'll unfortunately never get an honest answer to that question..... i've been asking it here for the last 2 years!!!!
good luck in trying though.... that’s because know one actually really knows apart from the few on fab who have crystal balls lol"i can always see whats going to happen when someone rubs my balls | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen you'll unfortunately never get an honest answer to that question..... i've been asking it here for the last 2 years!!!!
good luck in trying though.... that’s because know one actually really knows apart from the few on fab who have crystal balls loli can always see whats going to happen when someone rubs my balls "lmfaooo pls tell me that’s not an offer | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen " civil war and the break up of the union | |||
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"We leave with out a deal and Corbyn becomes prime minister.One would be a disaster but both would be a major disaster that we might not recover from.Even optimistic me shakes at this thought." It'll be fine if you believe in it and have faith! | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen " The impact on everyday life is so awful that it results in the disintegration of the United Kingdom. You know, Scotland "taking back control". | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen civil war and the break up of the union " It'll be a really quick civil war with only one winner.My money is on the youth kicking grandpas arse... 61 percent of males aged 18 to 24 years voted for the UK to remain within the EU, whereas an equal 61 percent of males in the 50 to 64 age brackets voted in favor of a “Brexit”. It'll be over before it's begun...  | |||
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"Is that not “Project fear” but directed at something that you don’t want to happen?No he said in his last manifesto any company with over 250 workers has to hand 10% over to the workforce you think thats a good incentive to set up in the uk? unions will be given powers to strike in solidarity with other unions in europe .Where would you rather be if a company owner not in the uk with those sorts of laws." It worked for ICI for over 50 years until 'business wonder boy' Digby Jones took over, did away with the 'bonus shares' and split the company up after it was able to fend off a hostile takeover, and where is ICI now? Gone! Don't tell me that a break with the 'greed is good' make what you can and fuck everyone else and a return to a balanced 'mixed economy' will destroy Britain while I watch other countries governments buy up our public services and funnel profits out of the country while foreign private capital buy up property and leave it empty while we have millions without an adequate housing and 100s of thousands without a home! As for how bad can it get? For the last 40 odd years we have been part of the most powerful trading block in the world and that has shielded us from much hostile foreign competition, come March 29 we no longer have that protection. We could end up like the USA or worse one of the countries the USA has fucked over for not being allowed to economically exploit! | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen civil war and the break up of the union It'll be a really quick civil war with only one winner.My money is on the youth kicking grandpas arse... 61 percent of males aged 18 to 24 years voted for the UK to remain within the EU, whereas an equal 61 percent of males in the 50 to 64 age brackets voted in favor of a “Brexit”. It'll be over before it's begun... "your forgetting most 18 -24 year olds need a safe place to go if peiple say nasty things to them lol the only 18-24 year olds who like a row are to busy selling dtugs and stabbing each other pmsl | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen civil war and the break up of the union It'll be a really quick civil war with only one winner.My money is on the youth kicking grandpas arse... 61 percent of males aged 18 to 24 years voted for the UK to remain within the EU, whereas an equal 61 percent of males in the 50 to 64 age brackets voted in favor of a “Brexit”. It'll be over before it's begun...
your forgetting most 18 -24 year olds need a safe place to go if peiple say nasty things to them lol the only 18-24 year olds who like a row are to busy selling dtugs and stabbing each other pmsl"Ha ha true but I did omit women who voted remain they made up 80% of 18 24 and they'll still run down a 55 year old brexiter all day long on the track . We send our young men and women to war the oldies usually watch from the sidelines. My money is still on youth regardless and they've plenty of practice on call of duty and fortnite... | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen " Nobody knows and only time will tell. I doubt it’ll be as bad as the Millennium Bug though when all those planes fell out of the sky and the world ground to a halt....oh wait | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen Nobody knows and only time will tell. I doubt it’ll be as bad as the Millennium Bug though when all those planes fell out of the sky and the world ground to a halt....oh wait "Which didn't happen because business and industry spent the previous year preparing for it. I know this because I was part of several projects that did it. Rolling forward the pre-existing system they either crashed or went back to start up date. That's why the changes were made to make sure nothing happened. | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen civil war and the break up of the union It'll be a really quick civil war with only one winner.My money is on the youth kicking grandpas arse... 61 percent of males aged 18 to 24 years voted for the UK to remain within the EU, whereas an equal 61 percent of males in the 50 to 64 age brackets voted in favor of a “Brexit”. It'll be over before it's begun...
your forgetting most 18 -24 year olds need a safe place to go if peiple say nasty things to them lol the only 18-24 year olds who like a row are to busy selling dtugs and stabbing each other pmsl
Ha ha true but I did omit women who voted remain they made up 80% of 18 24 and they'll still run down a 55 year old brexiter all day long on the track .
We send our young men and women to war the oldies usually watch from the sidelines.
My money is still on youth regardless and they've plenty of practice on call of duty and fortnite...
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i dont know where in the country you live and what the youth are like there.im just outside of london and town where im from they seem to be more anti semetic and racist than the over 35s.and the only time they seem to have a punch up is with each other after the pubs have closed.the youth may be more engaged where you live.ive a 25 yr old daughter she has never voted on anything wich dissapoints me and most of her mates are thr same | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen " There are two scenarios: The deal is upheld and we Brexit or it is rejected and we Remain. I suppose there is a third option of renegotiation, but the further down the line this is taken, the less likely it is the UK will exit (what with the number of bills passing, appetite for 2nd referendums and business uncertainty). So, if we Brexit then trade negotiations start. If it is voted out we'll likely remain. The short term upheaval as regard ports/air space etc has been said to not have an impact as we should still have the same conditions as we enter into the transition period? However, businesses and professionals will not know the outcome of any trade deals for years so will likely move to the EU to protect themselves. In the long term, It will depend how well trade negotiations fair and how quickly they can be arrived at. I would think EU countries would want both investment and job creation so agreements should be reached at some point. If the deal is voted out and we remain, I suspect we will see a lot more rightist factions hitting the streets. How long this goes on for who knows. There will be sections who will try to gain leverage that they have been in some way cheated causing either unrest or riotous 'protests'. What confuses me is the current position in the Commons. May can only stand down or be voted out by cross party consensus. It is unlikely the Cons are going to install a Labour Govt so this means putting 'a true' Brexiteer in; someone harder than May. If Gove or Mogg or the like becomes PM and May's deal was too hard a Brexit, then there is no way their deal will get through a second parliament. So who will they vote in, another Remainer like May? | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen civil war and the break up of the union It'll be a really quick civil war with only one winner.My money is on the youth kicking grandpas arse... 61 percent of males aged 18 to 24 years voted for the UK to remain within the EU, whereas an equal 61 percent of males in the 50 to 64 age brackets voted in favor of a “Brexit”. It'll be over before it's begun...
your forgetting most 18 -24 year olds need a safe place to go if peiple say nasty things to them lol the only 18-24 year olds who like a row are to busy selling dtugs and stabbing each other pmsl"You've got f*ck all idea about young people mate. Also, you can't spell. | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen civil war and the break up of the union It'll be a really quick civil war with only one winner.My money is on the youth kicking grandpas arse... 61 percent of males aged 18 to 24 years voted for the UK to remain within the EU, whereas an equal 61 percent of males in the 50 to 64 age brackets voted in favor of a “Brexit”. It'll be over before it's begun...
your forgetting most 18 -24 year olds need a safe place to go if peiple say nasty things to them lol the only 18-24 year olds who like a row are to busy selling dtugs and stabbing each other pmsl
You've got f*ck all idea about young people mate. Also, you can't spell." 
fuck all idea hahaha im going on wat i see in the town i live in.also i have a 25 yr old daughter so i do have some idea about young ppl as a lot of her freinds are young ppl.and as for spelling i fidnt realise you are the grammar police.but hey ho if someone has a different view to you that dont know what there talking about.it must be so good knowing everything about everything.mabey get of the forums and run for public office.you seem to know everything | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen civil war and the break up of the union It'll be a really quick civil war with only one winner.My money is on the youth kicking grandpas arse... 61 percent of males aged 18 to 24 years voted for the UK to remain within the EU, whereas an equal 61 percent of males in the 50 to 64 age brackets voted in favor of a “Brexit”. It'll be over before it's begun...
your forgetting most 18 -24 year olds need a safe place to go if peiple say nasty things to them lol the only 18-24 year olds who like a row are to busy selling dtugs and stabbing each other pmsl
Ha ha true but I did omit women who voted remain they made up 80% of 18 24 and they'll still run down a 55 year old brexiter all day long on the track .
We send our young men and women to war the oldies usually watch from the sidelines.
My money is still on youth regardless and they've plenty of practice on call of duty and fortnite...
"The only problem is most of these youngsters haven't got the energy to get out of bed in the morning and have you seen how many are over weight! An early morning surprise attack will see them neutralised! | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen civil war and the break up of the union It'll be a really quick civil war with only one winner.My money is on the youth kicking grandpas arse... 61 percent of males aged 18 to 24 years voted for the UK to remain within the EU, whereas an equal 61 percent of males in the 50 to 64 age brackets voted in favor of a “Brexit”. It'll be over before it's begun...
your forgetting most 18 -24 year olds need a safe place to go if peiple say nasty things to them lol the only 18-24 year olds who like a row are to busy selling dtugs and stabbing each other pmsl
You've got f*ck all idea about young people mate. Also, you can't spell.
fuck all idea hahaha im going on wat i see in the town i live in.also i have a 25 yr old daughter so i do have some idea about young ppl as a lot of her freinds are young ppl.and as for spelling i fidnt realise you are the grammar police.but hey ho if someone has a different view to you that dont know what there talking about.it must be so good knowing everything about everything.mabey get of the forums and run for public office.you seem to know everything"There's a good few on here that seem to have all the answers to every problem, it surprises me they aren't in public office. Talk is cheap let's see some action! | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen civil war and the break up of the union It'll be a really quick civil war with only one winner.My money is on the youth kicking grandpas arse... 61 percent of males aged 18 to 24 years voted for the UK to remain within the EU, whereas an equal 61 percent of males in the 50 to 64 age brackets voted in favor of a “Brexit”. It'll be over before it's begun...
your forgetting most 18 -24 year olds need a safe place to go if peiple say nasty things to them lol the only 18-24 year olds who like a row are to busy selling dtugs and stabbing each other pmsl
You've got f*ck all idea about young people mate. Also, you can't spell.
fuck all idea hahaha im going on wat i see in the town i live in.also i have a 25 yr old daughter so i do have some idea about young ppl as a lot of her freinds are young ppl.and as for spelling i fidnt realise you are the grammar police.but hey ho if someone has a different view to you that dont know what there talking about.it must be so good knowing everything about everything.mabey get of the forums and run for public office.you seem to know everything"You need the spelling and grammar police. | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen civil war and the break up of the union It'll be a really quick civil war with only one winner.My money is on the youth kicking grandpas arse... 61 percent of males aged 18 to 24 years voted for the UK to remain within the EU, whereas an equal 61 percent of males in the 50 to 64 age brackets voted in favor of a “Brexit”. It'll be over before it's begun...
your forgetting most 18 -24 year olds need a safe place to go if peiple say nasty things to them lol the only 18-24 year olds who like a row are to busy selling dtugs and stabbing each other pmsl
You've got f*ck all idea about young people mate. Also, you can't spell.
fuck all idea hahaha im going on wat i see in the town i live in.also i have a 25 yr old daughter so i do have some idea about young ppl as a lot of her freinds are young ppl.and as for spelling i fidnt realise you are the grammar police.but hey ho if someone has a different view to you that dont know what there talking about.it must be so good knowing everything about everything.mabey get of the forums and run for public office.you seem to know everything
There's a good few on here that seem to have all the answers to every problem, it surprises me they aren't in public office. Talk is cheap let's see some action! "Like Centaur? | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen civil war and the break up of the union It'll be a really quick civil war with only one winner.My money is on the youth kicking grandpas arse... 61 percent of males aged 18 to 24 years voted for the UK to remain within the EU, whereas an equal 61 percent of males in the 50 to 64 age brackets voted in favor of a “Brexit”. It'll be over before it's begun...
your forgetting most 18 -24 year olds need a safe place to go if peiple say nasty things to them lol the only 18-24 year olds who like a row are to busy selling dtugs and stabbing each other pmsl
You've got f*ck all idea about young people mate. Also, you can't spell.
fuck all idea hahaha im going on wat i see in the town i live in.also i have a 25 yr old daughter so i do have some idea about young ppl as a lot of her freinds are young ppl.and as for spelling i fidnt realise you are the grammar police.but hey ho if someone has a different view to you that dont know what there talking about.it must be so good knowing everything about everything.mabey get of the forums and run for public office.you seem to know everything
There's a good few on here that seem to have all the answers to every problem, it surprises me they aren't in public office. Talk is cheap let's see some action!
Like Centaur? "I bet he would be more popular than many of the remainers who post on here if the number of verifications are anything to go by! | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen " More people die due to the economic downturn through less tax revenues for hospitals, other care providers and social care. | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen The impact on everyday life is so awful that it results in the disintegration of the United Kingdom. You know, Scotland "taking back control". " I think the most likely scenario for the UK disintegrating and breaking up would be to allow a 2nd EU referendum. The moment you allow a 2nd EU referendum then the SNP are going to demand a 2nd independence referendum in Scotland. They'll say if the UK is allowed a 2nd one Scotland should be allowed a 2nd one as well. | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen civil war and the break up of the union It'll be a really quick civil war with only one winner.My money is on the youth kicking grandpas arse... 61 percent of males aged 18 to 24 years voted for the UK to remain within the EU, whereas an equal 61 percent of males in the 50 to 64 age brackets voted in favor of a “Brexit”. It'll be over before it's begun...
your forgetting most 18 -24 year olds need a safe place to go if peiple say nasty things to them lol the only 18-24 year olds who like a row are to busy selling dtugs and stabbing each other pmsl
Ha ha true but I did omit women who voted remain they made up 80% of 18 24 and they'll still run down a 55 year old brexiter all day long on the track .
We send our young men and women to war the oldies usually watch from the sidelines.
My money is still on youth regardless and they've plenty of practice on call of duty and fortnite...
"You think the over 24's don't play video games? Bizarre. The video game culture started in the 1980's when I was a kid. I've been playing video games since the age of 7 or 8. I'm 40 and I still play video games now. I've had just about every games console going during the last 30 years from the Atari 2600 and the SNES upto the XBox one and the Playstation 4 now. Experience triumphs over youth. | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen There are two scenarios: The deal is upheld and we Brexit or it is rejected and we Remain. I suppose there is a third option of renegotiation, but the further down the line this is taken, the less likely it is the UK will exit (what with the number of bills passing, appetite for 2nd referendums and business uncertainty). So, if we Brexit then trade negotiations start. If it is voted out we'll likely remain. The short term upheaval as regard ports/air space etc has been said to not have an impact as we should still have the same conditions as we enter into the transition period? However, businesses and professionals will not know the outcome of any trade deals for years so will likely move to the EU to protect themselves. In the long term, It will depend how well trade negotiations fair and how quickly they can be arrived at. I would think EU countries would want both investment and job creation so agreements should be reached at some point. If the deal is voted out and we remain, I suspect we will see a lot more rightist factions hitting the streets. How long this goes on for who knows. There will be sections who will try to gain leverage that they have been in some way cheated causing either unrest or riotous 'protests'. What confuses me is the current position in the Commons. May can only stand down or be voted out by cross party consensus. It is unlikely the Cons are going to install a Labour Govt so this means putting 'a true' Brexiteer in; someone harder than May. If Gove or Mogg or the like becomes PM and May's deal was too hard a Brexit, then there is no way their deal will get through a second parliament. So who will they vote in, another Remainer like May? " There is also another scenario which is leaving the EU with no deal. The default legal position if Parliament can't agree on anything is we leave with no deal on March 29th. | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen civil war and the break up of the union It'll be a really quick civil war with only one winner.My money is on the youth kicking grandpas arse... 61 percent of males aged 18 to 24 years voted for the UK to remain within the EU, whereas an equal 61 percent of males in the 50 to 64 age brackets voted in favor of a “Brexit”. It'll be over before it's begun...
your forgetting most 18 -24 year olds need a safe place to go if peiple say nasty things to them lol the only 18-24 year olds who like a row are to busy selling dtugs and stabbing each other pmsl
You've got f*ck all idea about young people mate. Also, you can't spell.
fuck all idea hahaha im going on wat i see in the town i live in.also i have a 25 yr old daughter so i do have some idea about young ppl as a lot of her freinds are young ppl.and as for spelling i fidnt realise you are the grammar police.but hey ho if someone has a different view to you that dont know what there talking about.it must be so good knowing everything about everything.mabey get of the forums and run for public office.you seem to know everything
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" There is also another scenario which is leaving the EU with no deal. The default legal position if Parliament can't agree on anything is we leave with no deal on March 29th. " Er, not quite. If, by January 21, no agreement has been reached with the EU, Ministers must return to Parliament and seek approval for the alternative. It requires a motion to be passed in the House of Commons, and noted in the House of Lords. So the idea the UK can drift accidentally towards a hard exit doesn't stand. It is written into law that it cannot. | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen civil war and the break up of the union It'll be a really quick civil war with only one winner.My money is on the youth kicking grandpas arse... 61 percent of males aged 18 to 24 years voted for the UK to remain within the EU, whereas an equal 61 percent of males in the 50 to 64 age brackets voted in favor of a “Brexit”. It'll be over before it's begun...
your forgetting most 18 -24 year olds need a safe place to go if peiple say nasty things to them lol the only 18-24 year olds who like a row are to busy selling dtugs and stabbing each other pmsl
Ha ha true but I did omit women who voted remain they made up 80% of 18 24 and they'll still run down a 55 year old brexiter all day long on the track .
We send our young men and women to war the oldies usually watch from the sidelines.
My money is still on youth regardless and they've plenty of practice on call of duty and fortnite...
You think the over 24's don't play video games? Bizarre.
The video game culture started in the 1980's when I was a kid. I've been playing video games since the age of 7 or 8. I'm 40 and I still play video games now. I've had just about every games console going during the last 30 years from the Atari 2600 and the SNES upto the XBox one and the Playstation 4 now. Experience triumphs over youth. "a lifelong detachment from reality explains a lot | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen civil war and the break up of the union It'll be a really quick civil war with only one winner.My money is on the youth kicking grandpas arse... 61 percent of males aged 18 to 24 years voted for the UK to remain within the EU, whereas an equal 61 percent of males in the 50 to 64 age brackets voted in favor of a “Brexit”. It'll be over before it's begun...
your forgetting most 18 -24 year olds need a safe place to go if peiple say nasty things to them lol the only 18-24 year olds who like a row are to busy selling dtugs and stabbing each other pmsl
Ha ha true but I did omit women who voted remain they made up 80% of 18 24 and they'll still run down a 55 year old brexiter all day long on the track .
We send our young men and women to war the oldies usually watch from the sidelines.
My money is still on youth regardless and they've plenty of practice on call of duty and fortnite...
You think the over 24's don't play video games? Bizarre.
The video game culture started in the 1980's when I was a kid. I've been playing video games since the age of 7 or 8. I'm 40 and I still play video games now. I've had just about every games console going during the last 30 years from the Atari 2600 and the SNES upto the XBox one and the Playstation 4 now. Experience triumphs over youth.
a lifelong detachment from reality explains a lot "If that's what you think then you also think the 18-24 year old age group (who Bobbangs thinks mainly play video games) who voted mainly to remain in the the EU are detached from reality. | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen civil war and the break up of the union It'll be a really quick civil war with only one winner.My money is on the youth kicking grandpas arse... 61 percent of males aged 18 to 24 years voted for the UK to remain within the EU, whereas an equal 61 percent of males in the 50 to 64 age brackets voted in favor of a “Brexit”. It'll be over before it's begun...
your forgetting most 18 -24 year olds need a safe place to go if peiple say nasty things to them lol the only 18-24 year olds who like a row are to busy selling dtugs and stabbing each other pmsl
Ha ha true but I did omit women who voted remain they made up 80% of 18 24 and they'll still run down a 55 year old brexiter all day long on the track .
We send our young men and women to war the oldies usually watch from the sidelines.
My money is still on youth regardless and they've plenty of practice on call of duty and fortnite...
You think the over 24's don't play video games? Bizarre.
The video game culture started in the 1980's when I was a kid. I've been playing video games since the age of 7 or 8. I'm 40 and I still play video games now. I've had just about every games console going during the last 30 years from the Atari 2600 and the SNES upto the XBox one and the Playstation 4 now. Experience triumphs over youth. "aw fuck me I need to get into this gameing shit I still play shit on a stick  | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen civil war and the break up of the union It'll be a really quick civil war with only one winner.My money is on the youth kicking grandpas arse... 61 percent of males aged 18 to 24 years voted for the UK to remain within the EU, whereas an equal 61 percent of males in the 50 to 64 age brackets voted in favor of a “Brexit”. It'll be over before it's begun...
your forgetting most 18 -24 year olds need a safe place to go if peiple say nasty things to them lol the only 18-24 year olds who like a row are to busy selling dtugs and stabbing each other pmsl
Ha ha true but I did omit women who voted remain they made up 80% of 18 24 and they'll still run down a 55 year old brexiter all day long on the track .
We send our young men and women to war the oldies usually watch from the sidelines.
My money is still on youth regardless and they've plenty of practice on call of duty and fortnite...
You think the over 24's don't play video games? Bizarre.
The video game culture started in the 1980's when I was a kid. I've been playing video games since the age of 7 or 8. I'm 40 and I still play video games now. I've had just about every games console going during the last 30 years from the Atari 2600 and the SNES upto the XBox one and the Playstation 4 now. Experience triumphs over youth.
a lifelong detachment from reality explains a lot
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" There is also another scenario which is leaving the EU with no deal. The default legal position if Parliament can't agree on anything is we leave with no deal on March 29th. Er, not quite. If, by January 21, no agreement has been reached with the EU, Ministers must return to Parliament and seek approval for the alternative. It requires a motion to be passed in the House of Commons, and noted in the House of Lords. So the idea the UK can drift accidentally towards a hard exit doesn't stand. It is written into law that it cannot. " MP's effectively voted for No Deal when they voted to trigger article 50 in 2017, and again when they subsequently voted by majority to pass the EU Withdrawal bill last year in 2018. Parliament voted by majority to trigger article 50 in March 2017 and under EU law as written into the EU treaties that means we now leave the EU on 29th March, either with a deal or without a deal. In terms of UK law the EU withdrawal bill passed by majority in the House of Commons, it is now written into UK law under the terms of the EU withdrawal bill that we leave the EU on 29th March, either with a deal or without a deal. To overturn the conditions of the EU withdrawal bill which is now UK law would require primary legislation to be passed. Primary legislation can only be passed by the Prime minister and the government. Backbenchers and rebels outside government cannot enact primary legislation to stop a no deal exit happening. | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen civil war and the break up of the union It'll be a really quick civil war with only one winner.My money is on the youth kicking grandpas arse... 61 percent of males aged 18 to 24 years voted for the UK to remain within the EU, whereas an equal 61 percent of males in the 50 to 64 age brackets voted in favor of a “Brexit”. It'll be over before it's begun...
your forgetting most 18 -24 year olds need a safe place to go if peiple say nasty things to them lol the only 18-24 year olds who like a row are to busy selling dtugs and stabbing each other pmsl
Ha ha true but I did omit women who voted remain they made up 80% of 18 24 and they'll still run down a 55 year old brexiter all day long on the track .
We send our young men and women to war the oldies usually watch from the sidelines.
My money is still on youth regardless and they've plenty of practice on call of duty and fortnite...
You think the over 24's don't play video games? Bizarre.
The video game culture started in the 1980's when I was a kid. I've been playing video games since the age of 7 or 8. I'm 40 and I still play video games now. I've had just about every games console going during the last 30 years from the Atari 2600 and the SNES upto the XBox one and the Playstation 4 now. Experience triumphs over youth.
a lifelong detachment from reality explains a lot
If that's what you think then you also think the 18-24 year old age group (who Bobbangs thinks mainly play video games) who voted mainly to remain in the the EU are detached from reality.
You commenting of detachment from reality is pure comedy gold."To true they only have to threaten not to make then dinner and ask them to contribute to the electric and heating bills they will cave. | |||
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" There is also another scenario which is leaving the EU with no deal. The default legal position if Parliament can't agree on anything is we leave with no deal on March 29th. Er, not quite. If, by January 21, no agreement has been reached with the EU, Ministers must return to Parliament and seek approval for the alternative. It requires a motion to be passed in the House of Commons, and noted in the House of Lords. So the idea the UK can drift accidentally towards a hard exit doesn't stand. It is written into law that it cannot. MP's effectively voted for No Deal when they voted to trigger article 50 in 2017, and again when they subsequently voted by majority to pass the EU Withdrawal bill last year in 2018. Parliament voted by majority to trigger article 50 in March 2017 and under EU law as written into the EU treaties that means we now leave the EU on 29th March, either with a deal or without a deal. In terms of UK law the EU withdrawal bill passed by majority in the House of Commons, it is now written into UK law under the terms of the EU withdrawal bill that we leave the EU on 29th March, either with a deal or without a deal. To overturn the conditions of the EU withdrawal bill which is now UK law would require primary legislation to be passed. Primary legislation can only be passed by the Prime minister and the government. Backbenchers and rebels outside government cannot enact primary legislation to stop a no deal exit happening. " Do you think we'll leave on the 29th March? I can't see it happening. | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen civil war and the break up of the union It'll be a really quick civil war with only one winner.My money is on the youth kicking grandpas arse... 61 percent of males aged 18 to 24 years voted for the UK to remain within the EU, whereas an equal 61 percent of males in the 50 to 64 age brackets voted in favor of a “Brexit”. It'll be over before it's begun...
your forgetting most 18 -24 year olds need a safe place to go if peiple say nasty things to them lol the only 18-24 year olds who like a row are to busy selling dtugs and stabbing each other pmsl
Ha ha true but I did omit women who voted remain they made up 80% of 18 24 and they'll still run down a 55 year old brexiter all day long on the track .
We send our young men and women to war the oldies usually watch from the sidelines.
My money is still on youth regardless and they've plenty of practice on call of duty and fortnite...
You think the over 24's don't play video games? Bizarre.
The video game culture started in the 1980's when I was a kid. I've been playing video games since the age of 7 or 8. I'm 40 and I still play video games now. I've had just about every games console going during the last 30 years from the Atari 2600 and the SNES upto the XBox one and the Playstation 4 now. Experience triumphs over youth.
a lifelong detachment from reality explains a lot
If that's what you think then you also think the 18-24 year old age group (who Bobbangs thinks mainly play video games) who voted mainly to remain in the the EU are detached from reality.
You commenting of detachment from reality is pure comedy gold.To true they only have to threaten not to make then dinner and ask them to contribute to the electric and heating bills they will cave. "A bit like the UK in this scenario | |||
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" There is also another scenario which is leaving the EU with no deal. The default legal position if Parliament can't agree on anything is we leave with no deal on March 29th. Er, not quite. If, by January 21, no agreement has been reached with the EU, Ministers must return to Parliament and seek approval for the alternative. It requires a motion to be passed in the House of Commons, and noted in the House of Lords. So the idea the UK can drift accidentally towards a hard exit doesn't stand. It is written into law that it cannot. MP's effectively voted for No Deal when they voted to trigger article 50 in 2017, and again when they subsequently voted by majority to pass the EU Withdrawal bill last year in 2018. Parliament voted by majority to trigger article 50 in March 2017 and under EU law as written into the EU treaties that means we now leave the EU on 29th March, either with a deal or without a deal. In terms of UK law the EU withdrawal bill passed by majority in the House of Commons, it is now written into UK law under the terms of the EU withdrawal bill that we leave the EU on 29th March, either with a deal or without a deal. To overturn the conditions of the EU withdrawal bill which is now UK law would require primary legislation to be passed. Primary legislation can only be passed by the Prime minister and the government. Backbenchers and rebels outside government cannot enact primary legislation to stop a no deal exit happening. Do you think we'll leave on the 29th March? I can't see it happening." Yes, call it a hunch or a gut feeling but I think we'll end up leaving with a managed no deal exit on 29th March. I had a hunch and a gut feeling leave would win the referendum in 2016, turned out to be correct. I also had a hunch and a gut feeling Trump would win the Presidency and turned out to be correct. | |||
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" There is also another scenario which is leaving the EU with no deal. The default legal position if Parliament can't agree on anything is we leave with no deal on March 29th. Er, not quite. If, by January 21, no agreement has been reached with the EU, Ministers must return to Parliament and seek approval for the alternative. It requires a motion to be passed in the House of Commons, and noted in the House of Lords. So the idea the UK can drift accidentally towards a hard exit doesn't stand. It is written into law that it cannot. MP's effectively voted for No Deal when they voted to trigger article 50 in 2017, and again when they subsequently voted by majority to pass the EU Withdrawal bill last year in 2018. Parliament voted by majority to trigger article 50 in March 2017 and under EU law as written into the EU treaties that means we now leave the EU on 29th March, either with a deal or without a deal. In terms of UK law the EU withdrawal bill passed by majority in the House of Commons, it is now written into UK law under the terms of the EU withdrawal bill that we leave the EU on 29th March, either with a deal or without a deal. To overturn the conditions of the EU withdrawal bill which is now UK law would require primary legislation to be passed. Primary legislation can only be passed by the Prime minister and the government. Backbenchers and rebels outside government cannot enact primary legislation to stop a no deal exit happening. Do you think we'll leave on the 29th March? I can't see it happening." No dont think it will but thats the way i understood it as well.It will need another law in place to overturn us leaving on the 29th.This is why the speaker hatched a plan with backbenchers the other day its to try and get round the fact that only the government can enact legislation to change the law. | |||
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" There is also another scenario which is leaving the EU with no deal. The default legal position if Parliament can't agree on anything is we leave with no deal on March 29th. Er, not quite. If, by January 21, no agreement has been reached with the EU, Ministers must return to Parliament and seek approval for the alternative. It requires a motion to be passed in the House of Commons, and noted in the House of Lords. So the idea the UK can drift accidentally towards a hard exit doesn't stand. It is written into law that it cannot. MP's effectively voted for No Deal when they voted to trigger article 50 in 2017, and again when they subsequently voted by majority to pass the EU Withdrawal bill last year in 2018. Parliament voted by majority to trigger article 50 in March 2017 and under EU law as written into the EU treaties that means we now leave the EU on 29th March, either with a deal or without a deal. In terms of UK law the EU withdrawal bill passed by majority in the House of Commons, it is now written into UK law under the terms of the EU withdrawal bill that we leave the EU on 29th March, either with a deal or without a deal. To overturn the conditions of the EU withdrawal bill which is now UK law would require primary legislation to be passed. Primary legislation can only be passed by the Prime minister and the government. Backbenchers and rebels outside government cannot enact primary legislation to stop a no deal exit happening. Do you think we'll leave on the 29th March? I can't see it happening. Yes, call it a hunch or a gut feeling but I think we'll end up leaving with a managed no deal exit on 29th March. I had a hunch and a gut feeling leave would win the referendum in 2016, turned out to be correct. I also had a hunch and a gut feeling Trump would win the Presidency and turned out to be correct. " Would you bet on it? Cheeky 20 quid? PM me! | |||
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"What about your hunch about Mays strong leadership? There's plenty of psychological literature on after the fact predictions. Mostly self delusion. " May's strong leadership...has she not continued on as Prime minister even when a vote of no confidence in her was called by the Tory party, she won and now can't be challenged for another year. Corbyn will find out the same if he calls a vote of no confidence in the government this week, Theresa May will win and stay on as Prime minister. Corbyn won't be able to call another vote of no confidence. Many would say resilience, dogged determination and ability to carry on when it seems like the whole world is against you are strong leadership qualities. Also on your other point, It's not 'after the fact predictions'. My posts are on record on fab forums that I predicted leave would win the referendum in 2016, before it happened. Those who have been around long enough on here such as Unleashed Cracken and Too Hot will (perhaps grudgingly) confirm it. I also predicted on here Trump would win the Presidency at the start of the Primaries, long before it was whittled down to Clinton and Trump in the final stage. | |||
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" There is also another scenario which is leaving the EU with no deal. The default legal position if Parliament can't agree on anything is we leave with no deal on March 29th. Er, not quite. If, by January 21, no agreement has been reached with the EU, Ministers must return to Parliament and seek approval for the alternative. It requires a motion to be passed in the House of Commons, and noted in the House of Lords. So the idea the UK can drift accidentally towards a hard exit doesn't stand. It is written into law that it cannot. MP's effectively voted for No Deal when they voted to trigger article 50 in 2017, and again when they subsequently voted by majority to pass the EU Withdrawal bill last year in 2018. Parliament voted by majority to trigger article 50 in March 2017 and under EU law as written into the EU treaties that means we now leave the EU on 29th March, either with a deal or without a deal. In terms of UK law the EU withdrawal bill passed by majority in the House of Commons, it is now written into UK law under the terms of the EU withdrawal bill that we leave the EU on 29th March, either with a deal or without a deal. To overturn the conditions of the EU withdrawal bill which is now UK law would require primary legislation to be passed. Primary legislation can only be passed by the Prime minister and the government. Backbenchers and rebels outside government cannot enact primary legislation to stop a no deal exit happening. " As things stand most of what Centy says here is true. However we've not had a Govetment goverm against the expressed will of parliament since the 1640s. Currently, because Parliament did pass the Withdrawal Bill which does fix in law the leave date as the 29 March 2019, the Government can still claim to be governing in accordance with the expressed will of Parliament. If and once Parliament clearly shows that it's expressed wish is now different and the Govetment tries to continue governing against that expressed will then Parliament has the means to change its own rules and allow primary legislation to be introduced by whom ever it choose. The current system works because normally the Govetment commands a majority for its proposals and policies in the house. If the Government won't govern in accordance with the newly expressed wish and will of Parliament, when if finally expresses it, Parliament will govern itself. | |||
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" There is also another scenario which is leaving the EU with no deal. The default legal position if Parliament can't agree on anything is we leave with no deal on March 29th. Er, not quite. If, by January 21, no agreement has been reached with the EU, Ministers must return to Parliament and seek approval for the alternative. It requires a motion to be passed in the House of Commons, and noted in the House of Lords. So the idea the UK can drift accidentally towards a hard exit doesn't stand. It is written into law that it cannot. MP's effectively voted for No Deal when they voted to trigger article 50 in 2017, and again when they subsequently voted by majority to pass the EU Withdrawal bill last year in 2018. Parliament voted by majority to trigger article 50 in March 2017 and under EU law as written into the EU treaties that means we now leave the EU on 29th March, either with a deal or without a deal. In terms of UK law the EU withdrawal bill passed by majority in the House of Commons, it is now written into UK law under the terms of the EU withdrawal bill that we leave the EU on 29th March, either with a deal or without a deal. To overturn the conditions of the EU withdrawal bill which is now UK law would require primary legislation to be passed. Primary legislation can only be passed by the Prime minister and the government. Backbenchers and rebels outside government cannot enact primary legislation to stop a no deal exit happening. As things stand most of what Centy says here is true. However we've not had a Govetment goverm against the expressed will of parliament since the 1640s. Currently, because Parliament did pass the Withdrawal Bill which does fix in law the leave date as the 29 March 2019, the Government can still claim to be governing in accordance with the expressed will of Parliament. If and once Parliament clearly shows that it's expressed wish is now different and the Govetment tries to continue governing against that expressed will then Parliament has the means to change its own rules and allow primary legislation to be introduced by whom ever it choose. The current system works because normally the Govetment commands a majority for its proposals and policies in the house. If the Government won't govern in accordance with the newly expressed wish and will of Parliament, when if finally expresses it, Parliament will govern itself. " If that happens then Parliament will be governing against the expressed will of the people as indicated in the referendum. The government can say they are acting in accordance with the expressed will of the people as indicated through the referendum result. | |||
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"What about your hunch about Mays strong leadership? There's plenty of psychological literature on after the fact predictions. Mostly self delusion. May's strong leadership...has she not continued on as Prime minister even when a vote of no confidence in her was called by the Tory party, she won and now can't be challenged for another year. Corbyn will find out the same if he calls a vote of no confidence in the government this week, Theresa May will win and stay on as Prime minister. Corbyn won't be able to call another vote of no confidence. Many would say resilience, dogged determination and ability to carry on when it seems like the whole world is against you are strong leadership qualities. Also on your other point, It's not 'after the fact predictions'. My posts are on record on fab forums that I predicted leave would win the referendum in 2016, before it happened. Those who have been around long enough on here such as Unleashed Cracken and Too Hot will (perhaps grudgingly) confirm it. I also predicted on here Trump would win the Presidency at the start of the Primaries, long before it was whittled down to Clinton and Trump in the final stage. " I can definitely confirm that you (Centy) did predict Leave would win the referendum from quite early on in the campaign and possibly even before the campaign started. I can also confirm that you predicted a Trump victory too, however I honestly can't remember if you predicted that as far back as the start of the primaries. | |||
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" There is also another scenario which is leaving the EU with no deal. The default legal position if Parliament can't agree on anything is we leave with no deal on March 29th. Er, not quite. If, by January 21, no agreement has been reached with the EU, Ministers must return to Parliament and seek approval for the alternative. It requires a motion to be passed in the House of Commons, and noted in the House of Lords. So the idea the UK can drift accidentally towards a hard exit doesn't stand. It is written into law that it cannot. MP's effectively voted for No Deal when they voted to trigger article 50 in 2017, and again when they subsequently voted by majority to pass the EU Withdrawal bill last year in 2018. Parliament voted by majority to trigger article 50 in March 2017 and under EU law as written into the EU treaties that means we now leave the EU on 29th March, either with a deal or without a deal. In terms of UK law the EU withdrawal bill passed by majority in the House of Commons, it is now written into UK law under the terms of the EU withdrawal bill that we leave the EU on 29th March, either with a deal or without a deal. To overturn the conditions of the EU withdrawal bill which is now UK law would require primary legislation to be passed. Primary legislation can only be passed by the Prime minister and the government. Backbenchers and rebels outside government cannot enact primary legislation to stop a no deal exit happening. As things stand most of what Centy says here is true. However we've not had a Govetment goverm against the expressed will of parliament since the 1640s. Currently, because Parliament did pass the Withdrawal Bill which does fix in law the leave date as the 29 March 2019, the Government can still claim to be governing in accordance with the expressed will of Parliament. If and once Parliament clearly shows that it's expressed wish is now different and the Govetment tries to continue governing against that expressed will then Parliament has the means to change its own rules and allow primary legislation to be introduced by whom ever it choose. The current system works because normally the Govetment commands a majority for its proposals and policies in the house. If the Government won't govern in accordance with the newly expressed wish and will of Parliament, when if finally expresses it, Parliament will govern itself. If that happens then Parliament will be governing against the expressed will of the people as indicated in the referendum. The government can say they are acting in accordance with the expressed will of the people as indicated through the referendum result. " Even if the will of the people was still, if ever, reflected in the referendum, the expressed will of Parliament, as set out in the Referendum act, was that it was none binding. Rightly or wrongly, the only legally recognised expression of the will of the people is Parliament. And legally the only wills (or wishes) that matter our those of Parliament and the Sovereign. | |||
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"What about your hunch about Mays strong leadership? There's plenty of psychological literature on after the fact predictions. Mostly self delusion. May's strong leadership...has she not continued on as Prime minister even when a vote of no confidence in her was called by the Tory party, she won and now can't be challenged for another year. Corbyn will find out the same if he calls a vote of no confidence in the government this week, Theresa May will win and stay on as Prime minister. Corbyn won't be able to call another vote of no confidence. Many would say resilience, dogged determination and ability to carry on when it seems like the whole world is against you are strong leadership qualities. Also on your other point, It's not 'after the fact predictions'. My posts are on record on fab forums that I predicted leave would win the referendum in 2016, before it happened. Those who have been around long enough on here such as Unleashed Cracken and Too Hot will (perhaps grudgingly) confirm it. I also predicted on here Trump would win the Presidency at the start of the Primaries, long before it was whittled down to Clinton and Trump in the final stage. I can definitely confirm that you (Centy) did predict Leave would win the referendum from quite early on in the campaign and possibly even before the campaign started. I can also confirm that you predicted a Trump victory too, however I honestly can't remember if you predicted that as far back as the start of the primaries. " It was at the start of the primaries when Fabio kept droning on about Bernie Sanders. I said Trump would wipe the floor with the other Republican candidates in the primaries, and would then go onto wipe the floor with Bernie Sanders (didn't quite turn out how Fabio wanted though and Sanders lost to Clinton, so it ended up being a Trump/Clinton final). As we all know Trump beat Clinton in the final stage. | |||
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"What about your hunch about Mays strong leadership? There's plenty of psychological literature on after the fact predictions. Mostly self delusion. May's strong leadership...has she not continued on as Prime minister even when a vote of no confidence in her was called by the Tory party, she won and now can't be challenged for another year. Corbyn will find out the same if he calls a vote of no confidence in the government this week, Theresa May will win and stay on as Prime minister. Corbyn won't be able to call another vote of no confidence. Many would say resilience, dogged determination and ability to carry on when it seems like the whole world is against you are strong leadership qualities. Also on your other point, It's not 'after the fact predictions'. My posts are on record on fab forums that I predicted leave would win the referendum in 2016, before it happened. Those who have been around long enough on here such as Unleashed Cracken and Too Hot will (perhaps grudgingly) confirm it. I also predicted on here Trump would win the Presidency at the start of the Primaries, long before it was whittled down to Clinton and Trump in the final stage. I can definitely confirm that you (Centy) did predict Leave would win the referendum from quite early on in the campaign and possibly even before the campaign started. I can also confirm that you predicted a Trump victory too, however I honestly can't remember if you predicted that as far back as the start of the primaries. It was at the start of the primaries when Fabio kept droning on about Bernie Sanders. I said Trump would wipe the floor with the other Republican candidates in the primaries, and would then go onto wipe the floor with Bernie Sanders (didn't quite turn out how Fabio wanted though and Sanders lost to Clinton, so it ended up being a Trump/Clinton final). As we all know Trump beat Clinton in the final stage. " Stop boasting and PM me about this bet if you're so good at these predictions. | |||
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"What about your hunch about Mays strong leadership? There's plenty of psychological literature on after the fact predictions. Mostly self delusion. May's strong leadership...has she not continued on as Prime minister even when a vote of no confidence in her was called by the Tory party, she won and now can't be challenged for another year. Corbyn will find out the same if he calls a vote of no confidence in the government this week, Theresa May will win and stay on as Prime minister. Corbyn won't be able to call another vote of no confidence. Many would say resilience, dogged determination and ability to carry on when it seems like the whole world is against you are strong leadership qualities. Also on your other point, It's not 'after the fact predictions'. My posts are on record on fab forums that I predicted leave would win the referendum in 2016, before it happened. Those who have been around long enough on here such as Unleashed Cracken and Too Hot will (perhaps grudgingly) confirm it. I also predicted on here Trump would win the Presidency at the start of the Primaries, long before it was whittled down to Clinton and Trump in the final stage. " Yes but you are cherry picking. You've had easily 100 predictions that were completely demonstratively wrong in the meantime. Unleashed and _oo hot can certainly attest to that. You were personally denouncing Mrs. May only a month or two ago 
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"What about your hunch about Mays strong leadership? There's plenty of psychological literature on after the fact predictions. Mostly self delusion. May's strong leadership...has she not continued on as Prime minister even when a vote of no confidence in her was called by the Tory party, she won and now can't be challenged for another year. Corbyn will find out the same if he calls a vote of no confidence in the government this week, Theresa May will win and stay on as Prime minister. Corbyn won't be able to call another vote of no confidence. Many would say resilience, dogged determination and ability to carry on when it seems like the whole world is against you are strong leadership qualities. Also on your other point, It's not 'after the fact predictions'. My posts are on record on fab forums that I predicted leave would win the referendum in 2016, before it happened. Those who have been around long enough on here such as Unleashed Cracken and Too Hot will (perhaps grudgingly) confirm it. I also predicted on here Trump would win the Presidency at the start of the Primaries, long before it was whittled down to Clinton and Trump in the final stage. Yes but you are cherry picking. You've had easily 100 predictions that were completely demonstratively wrong in the meantime. Unleashed and _oo hot can certainly attest to that. You were personally denouncing Mrs. May only a month or two ago
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"What about your hunch about Mays strong leadership? There's plenty of psychological literature on after the fact predictions. Mostly self delusion. May's strong leadership...has she not continued on as Prime minister even when a vote of no confidence in her was called by the Tory party, she won and now can't be challenged for another year. Corbyn will find out the same if he calls a vote of no confidence in the government this week, Theresa May will win and stay on as Prime minister. Corbyn won't be able to call another vote of no confidence. Many would say resilience, dogged determination and ability to carry on when it seems like the whole world is against you are strong leadership qualities. Also on your other point, It's not 'after the fact predictions'. My posts are on record on fab forums that I predicted leave would win the referendum in 2016, before it happened. Those who have been around long enough on here such as Unleashed Cracken and Too Hot will (perhaps grudgingly) confirm it. I also predicted on here Trump would win the Presidency at the start of the Primaries, long before it was whittled down to Clinton and Trump in the final stage. Yes but you are cherry picking. You've had easily 100 predictions that were completely demonstratively wrong in the meantime. Unleashed and _oo hot can certainly attest to that. You were personally denouncing Mrs. May only a month or two ago
I'm still pushing for you to answer my question...under what conditions would you admit to being wrong about brexit? Hypothetically He could ask you the same question but hypothetically what would make you admit you was wrong?"Due to the evidence he'd have less of a point and would have also been better served using 'were' instead of 'was.' | |||
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"What about your hunch about Mays strong leadership? There's plenty of psychological literature on after the fact predictions. Mostly self delusion. May's strong leadership...has she not continued on as Prime minister even when a vote of no confidence in her was called by the Tory party, she won and now can't be challenged for another year. Corbyn will find out the same if he calls a vote of no confidence in the government this week, Theresa May will win and stay on as Prime minister. Corbyn won't be able to call another vote of no confidence. Many would say resilience, dogged determination and ability to carry on when it seems like the whole world is against you are strong leadership qualities. Also on your other point, It's not 'after the fact predictions'. My posts are on record on fab forums that I predicted leave would win the referendum in 2016, before it happened. Those who have been around long enough on here such as Unleashed Cracken and Too Hot will (perhaps grudgingly) confirm it. I also predicted on here Trump would win the Presidency at the start of the Primaries, long before it was whittled down to Clinton and Trump in the final stage. Yes but you are cherry picking. You've had easily 100 predictions that were completely demonstratively wrong in the meantime. Unleashed and _oo hot can certainly attest to that. You were personally denouncing Mrs. May only a month or two ago
I'm still pushing for you to answer my question...under what conditions would you admit to being wrong about brexit? Hypothetically He could ask you the same question but hypothetically what would make you admit you was wrong?
Due to the evidence he'd have less of a point and would have also been better served using 'were' instead of 'was.' "Here we go again mate that might be how you take up there but im from the east end of london and grammar aint our strong point. | |||
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"What about your hunch about Mays strong leadership? There's plenty of psychological literature on after the fact predictions. Mostly self delusion. May's strong leadership...has she not continued on as Prime minister even when a vote of no confidence in her was called by the Tory party, she won and now can't be challenged for another year. Corbyn will find out the same if he calls a vote of no confidence in the government this week, Theresa May will win and stay on as Prime minister. Corbyn won't be able to call another vote of no confidence. Many would say resilience, dogged determination and ability to carry on when it seems like the whole world is against you are strong leadership qualities. Also on your other point, It's not 'after the fact predictions'. My posts are on record on fab forums that I predicted leave would win the referendum in 2016, before it happened. Those who have been around long enough on here such as Unleashed Cracken and Too Hot will (perhaps grudgingly) confirm it. I also predicted on here Trump would win the Presidency at the start of the Primaries, long before it was whittled down to Clinton and Trump in the final stage. Yes but you are cherry picking. You've had easily 100 predictions that were completely demonstratively wrong in the meantime. Unleashed and _oo hot can certainly attest to that. You were personally denouncing Mrs. May only a month or two ago
I'm still pushing for you to answer my question...under what conditions would you admit to being wrong about brexit? Hypothetically He could ask you the same question but hypothetically what would make you admit you was wrong?
Due to the evidence he'd have less of a point and would have also been better served using 'were' instead of 'was.' Here we go again mate that might be how you take up there but im from the east end of london and grammar aint our strong point. "Or logical thinking it would seem. | |||
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"What about your hunch about Mays strong leadership? There's plenty of psychological literature on after the fact predictions. Mostly self delusion. May's strong leadership...has she not continued on as Prime minister even when a vote of no confidence in her was called by the Tory party, she won and now can't be challenged for another year. Corbyn will find out the same if he calls a vote of no confidence in the government this week, Theresa May will win and stay on as Prime minister. Corbyn won't be able to call another vote of no confidence. Many would say resilience, dogged determination and ability to carry on when it seems like the whole world is against you are strong leadership qualities. Also on your other point, It's not 'after the fact predictions'. My posts are on record on fab forums that I predicted leave would win the referendum in 2016, before it happened. Those who have been around long enough on here such as Unleashed Cracken and Too Hot will (perhaps grudgingly) confirm it. I also predicted on here Trump would win the Presidency at the start of the Primaries, long before it was whittled down to Clinton and Trump in the final stage. Yes but you are cherry picking. You've had easily 100 predictions that were completely demonstratively wrong in the meantime. Unleashed and _oo hot can certainly attest to that. You were personally denouncing Mrs. May only a month or two ago
I'm still pushing for you to answer my question...under what conditions would you admit to being wrong about brexit? Hypothetically He could ask you the same question but hypothetically what would make you admit you was wrong?"That's fair I'd admit to being wrong if it turned into a roaring success of fruitful trade deals, strong employment, stable currency and good GDP growth 3 years from now. | |||
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"What about your hunch about Mays strong leadership? There's plenty of psychological literature on after the fact predictions. Mostly self delusion. May's strong leadership...has she not continued on as Prime minister even when a vote of no confidence in her was called by the Tory party, she won and now can't be challenged for another year. Corbyn will find out the same if he calls a vote of no confidence in the government this week, Theresa May will win and stay on as Prime minister. Corbyn won't be able to call another vote of no confidence. Many would say resilience, dogged determination and ability to carry on when it seems like the whole world is against you are strong leadership qualities. Also on your other point, It's not 'after the fact predictions'. My posts are on record on fab forums that I predicted leave would win the referendum in 2016, before it happened. Those who have been around long enough on here such as Unleashed Cracken and Too Hot will (perhaps grudgingly) confirm it. I also predicted on here Trump would win the Presidency at the start of the Primaries, long before it was whittled down to Clinton and Trump in the final stage. Yes but you are cherry picking. You've had easily 100 predictions that were completely demonstratively wrong in the meantime. Unleashed and _oo hot can certainly attest to that. You were personally denouncing Mrs. May only a month or two ago
I'm still pushing for you to answer my question...under what conditions would you admit to being wrong about brexit? Hypothetically He could ask you the same question but hypothetically what would make you admit you was wrong?
Due to the evidence he'd have less of a point and would have also been better served using 'were' instead of 'was.' Here we go again mate that might be how you take up there but im from the east end of london and grammar aint our strong point.
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" There is also another scenario which is leaving the EU with no deal. The default legal position if Parliament can't agree on anything is we leave with no deal on March 29th. Er, not quite. If, by January 21, no agreement has been reached with the EU, Ministers must return to Parliament and seek approval for the alternative. It requires a motion to be passed in the House of Commons, and noted in the House of Lords. So the idea the UK can drift accidentally towards a hard exit doesn't stand. It is written into law that it cannot. MP's effectively voted for No Deal when they voted to trigger article 50 in 2017, and again when they subsequently voted by majority to pass the EU Withdrawal bill last year in 2018. Parliament voted by majority to trigger article 50 in March 2017 and under EU law as written into the EU treaties that means we now leave the EU on 29th March, either with a deal or without a deal. In terms of UK law the EU withdrawal bill passed by majority in the House of Commons, it is now written into UK law under the terms of the EU withdrawal bill that we leave the EU on 29th March, either with a deal or without a deal. To overturn the conditions of the EU withdrawal bill which is now UK law would require primary legislation to be passed. Primary legislation can only be passed by the Prime minister and the government. Backbenchers and rebels outside government cannot enact primary legislation to stop a no deal exit happening. As things stand most of what Centy says here is true. However we've not had a Govetment goverm against the expressed will of parliament since the 1640s. Currently, because Parliament did pass the Withdrawal Bill which does fix in law the leave date as the 29 March 2019, the Government can still claim to be governing in accordance with the expressed will of Parliament. If and once Parliament clearly shows that it's expressed wish is now different and the Govetment tries to continue governing against that expressed will then Parliament has the means to change its own rules and allow primary legislation to be introduced by whom ever it choose. The current system works because normally the Govetment commands a majority for its proposals and policies in the house. If the Government won't govern in accordance with the newly expressed wish and will of Parliament, when if finally expresses it, Parliament will govern itself. " How long would that all take ? | |||
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" There is also another scenario which is leaving the EU with no deal. The default legal position if Parliament can't agree on anything is we leave with no deal on March 29th. Er, not quite. If, by January 21, no agreement has been reached with the EU, Ministers must return to Parliament and seek approval for the alternative. It requires a motion to be passed in the House of Commons, and noted in the House of Lords. So the idea the UK can drift accidentally towards a hard exit doesn't stand. It is written into law that it cannot. MP's effectively voted for No Deal when they voted to trigger article 50 in 2017, and again when they subsequently voted by majority to pass the EU Withdrawal bill last year in 2018. Parliament voted by majority to trigger article 50 in March 2017 and under EU law as written into the EU treaties that means we now leave the EU on 29th March, either with a deal or without a deal. In terms of UK law the EU withdrawal bill passed by majority in the House of Commons, it is now written into UK law under the terms of the EU withdrawal bill that we leave the EU on 29th March, either with a deal or without a deal. To overturn the conditions of the EU withdrawal bill which is now UK law would require primary legislation to be passed. Primary legislation can only be passed by the Prime minister and the government. Backbenchers and rebels outside government cannot enact primary legislation to stop a no deal exit happening. As things stand most of what Centy says here is true. However we've not had a Govetment goverm against the expressed will of parliament since the 1640s. Currently, because Parliament did pass the Withdrawal Bill which does fix in law the leave date as the 29 March 2019, the Government can still claim to be governing in accordance with the expressed will of Parliament. If and once Parliament clearly shows that it's expressed wish is now different and the Govetment tries to continue governing against that expressed will then Parliament has the means to change its own rules and allow primary legislation to be introduced by whom ever it choose. The current system works because normally the Govetment commands a majority for its proposals and policies in the house. If the Government won't govern in accordance with the newly expressed wish and will of Parliament, when if finally expresses it, Parliament will govern itself. How long would that all take ?" It could be done in a day or less. I think it's far more likely to take a little longer, if it actually happens at all. Far more likely to be used as a threat to reign the Govetment in and get it to govern more closely to the will and wish of Parliament, as it's meant to. If Parliament was to give itself the ability to bring forward primary legislation that would be the end of Cabinet Govetment as we've known it for over 300 years and brings with it plenty of problems of its own, not least who is actually governing and in whose name do they govern? As the Government currently governs in the name of the Crown (Ministers are Ministers of the Crown) it has a constitutional duty not to put the Crown (as represented by them) and Parliament (the only legal representative of the People) in to conflict. | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen " If you listen to all the scare stories, you'll go mad...the EU will allegedly deny us everything right down to oxygen for breathing, etc. In fact, it will all work itself out...there is too much riding on continuing trading and other crucial relationships for it not to, for them AND for us. There WILL be some disruption for a brief period immediately after the deadline (as it currently stands) until common sense on both sides of the divide takes over. | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen If you listen to all the scare stories, you'll go mad...the EU will allegedly deny us everything right down to oxygen for breathing, etc. In fact, it will all work itself out...there is too much riding on continuing trading and other crucial relationships for it not to, for them AND for us. There WILL be some disruption for a brief period immediately after the deadline (as it currently stands) until common sense on both sides of the divide takes over. " What on earth are you on about? Luckily the EU are actually putting in contingency plans. Mean while our shower of shit that has been blaming the EU for everything for the past 30 years doesn't know it's arse from is elbow. It's almost as if actually it was our government was incompetent all along. | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen " World War 3 and we all die. | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen If you listen to all the scare stories, you'll go mad...the EU will allegedly deny us everything right down to oxygen for breathing, etc. In fact, it will all work itself out...there is too much riding on continuing trading and other crucial relationships for it not to, for them AND for us. There WILL be some disruption for a brief period immediately after the deadline (as it currently stands) until common sense on both sides of the divide takes over. What on earth are you on about? Luckily the EU are actually putting in contingency plans. Mean while our shower of shit that has been blaming the EU for everything for the past 30 years doesn't know it's arse from is elbow. It's almost as if actually it was our government was incompetent all along." And everybody who can't do jack shit about it is getting all het up Thank god for the EU's contingency plans then, lol. | |||
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"So many different ways this can go, but seriously, what's the worst that can happen If you listen to all the scare stories, you'll go mad...the EU will allegedly deny us everything right down to oxygen for breathing, etc. In fact, it will all work itself out...there is too much riding on continuing trading and other crucial relationships for it not to, for them AND for us. There WILL be some disruption for a brief period immediately after the deadline (as it currently stands) until common sense on both sides of the divide takes over. What on earth are you on about? Luckily the EU are actually putting in contingency plans. Mean while our shower of shit that has been blaming the EU for everything for the past 30 years doesn't know it's arse from is elbow. It's almost as if actually it was our government was incompetent all along. And everybody who can't do jack shit about it is getting all het up Thank god for the EU's contingency plans then, lol."What's your plan? Field of dreams! Build it and they will come? | |||
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"Backbenchers and rebels outside government cannot enact primary legislation to stop a no deal exit happening. " That is not so. Any member of Parliament or Parliamentary group that is allocated debating time can use that time to introduce a bill to Parliament. There are even a lottery for 10 minute slots to introduce 'Private Members Bills'. "If you listen to all the scare stories, you'll go mad...the EU will allegedly deny us everything right down to oxygen for breathing, etc. In fact, it will all work itself out...there is too much riding on continuing trading and other crucial relationships for it not to, for them AND for us. There WILL be some disruption for a brief period immediately after the deadline (as it currently stands) until common sense on both sides of the divide takes over. " OMG! What a corruption of fact! The EU are not and have not threatened us at all! In fact they keep saying they will do everything they can to keep disruptions to a minimum. BUT No matter how we leave the EU the EU has rules and they must and will be enforced just as they are for every other country outside the EU. If we leave the EU without a deal then WTO rules kick in in which case the EU must and will enforce WTO rules as they apply to us. | |||
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"Backbenchers and rebels outside government cannot enact primary legislation to stop a no deal exit happening. That is not so. Any member of Parliament or Parliamentary group that is allocated debating time can use that time to introduce a bill to Parliament. There are even a lottery for 10 minute slots to introduce 'Private Members Bills'. If you listen to all the scare stories, you'll go mad...the EU will allegedly deny us everything right down to oxygen for breathing, etc. In fact, it will all work itself out...there is too much riding on continuing trading and other crucial relationships for it not to, for them AND for us. There WILL be some disruption for a brief period immediately after the deadline (as it currently stands) until common sense on both sides of the divide takes over. OMG! What a corruption of fact! The EU are not and have not threatened us at all! In fact they keep saying they will do everything they can to keep disruptions to a minimum. BUT No matter how we leave the EU the EU has rules and they must and will be enforced just as they are for every other country outside the EU. If we leave the EU without a deal then WTO rules kick in in which case the EU must and will enforce WTO rules as they apply to us." Macron and his threats over fishing rights? Amongst others. Junker's statements leading up to this point? The corruption of fact you mention is not down to what I've said... | |||
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"Macron and his threats over fishing rights? Amongst others. Junker's statements leading up to this point? The corruption of fact you mention is not down to what I've said..." Ah right, so the fact that UK fishers SOLD their fishing licences to other EU countries to line their greedy pockets (rather than passing them on to other UK fishers) is not an issue, after all we are leaving the EU and taking back control. So by the same rule all property owned by EU companies and individuals in the UK should be forfeit to the Crown and all UK owned property in the EU forfeit to Brussels? I wonder who would come off worse in that sort of economic exchange? | |||
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" There is also another scenario which is leaving the EU with no deal. The default legal position if Parliament can't agree on anything is we leave with no deal on March 29th. Er, not quite. If, by January 21, no agreement has been reached with the EU, Ministers must return to Parliament and seek approval for the alternative. It requires a motion to be passed in the House of Commons, and noted in the House of Lords. So the idea the UK can drift accidentally towards a hard exit doesn't stand. It is written into law that it cannot. MP's effectively voted for No Deal when they voted to trigger article 50 in 2017, and again when they subsequently voted by majority to pass the EU Withdrawal bill last year in 2018. Parliament voted by majority to trigger article 50 in March 2017 and under EU law as written into the EU treaties that means we now leave the EU on 29th March, either with a deal or without a deal. In terms of UK law the EU withdrawal bill passed by majority in the House of Commons, it is now written into UK law under the terms of the EU withdrawal bill that we leave the EU on 29th March, either with a deal or without a deal. To overturn the conditions of the EU withdrawal bill which is now UK law would require primary legislation to be passed. Primary legislation can only be passed by the Prime minister and the government. Backbenchers and rebels outside government cannot enact primary legislation to stop a no deal exit happening. Do you think we'll leave on the 29th March? I can't see it happening. Yes, call it a hunch or a gut feeling but I think we'll end up leaving with a managed no deal exit on 29th March. I had a hunch and a gut feeling leave would win the referendum in 2016, turned out to be correct. I also had a hunch and a gut feeling Trump would win the Presidency and turned out to be correct. " FFS, there is no such thing as a managed no deal. | |||
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"UK Finance, the lobby group for the financial sector has a view. Its chief executive Stephen Jones, in an interview with Ch 4 News, said: “A no-deal Brexit on March 29, where we crash out of the European Union, is a catastrophe. “It’s a social catastrophe, it is an economic catastrophe. “I don’t wish to be labelled a doom-monger, but if our economy contracts by 10 per cent that is 1930s style contraction. “That is a massive increase in credit card losses, mortgage losses, vehicle loan losses. “This is about jobs, this is about people not being able to pay their mortgages, not being able to pay back their loans, and that’s really bad news.” I believe levels of unsecured debt per household now are back to the same levels circa 2008. Fold inflation into the mix, a drop in houses prices and rise in negative equity, and the levers of interest rates, and the prospects for a lot of people become very grim indeed." Sadly, after looking high and low, the hard liners simply couldnt find a fuck to give about the dire consequences of Brexit, mostly because they wont personally be affected. Disruptive economics is great when you have the power, the resources and the knowledge to benefit from a 24 carat clusterfuck. | |||
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" There is also another scenario which is leaving the EU with no deal. The default legal position if Parliament can't agree on anything is we leave with no deal on March 29th. Er, not quite. If, by January 21, no agreement has been reached with the EU, Ministers must return to Parliament and seek approval for the alternative. It requires a motion to be passed in the House of Commons, and noted in the House of Lords. So the idea the UK can drift accidentally towards a hard exit doesn't stand. It is written into law that it cannot. MP's effectively voted for No Deal when they voted to trigger article 50 in 2017, and again when they subsequently voted by majority to pass the EU Withdrawal bill last year in 2018. Parliament voted by majority to trigger article 50 in March 2017 and under EU law as written into the EU treaties that means we now leave the EU on 29th March, either with a deal or without a deal. In terms of UK law the EU withdrawal bill passed by majority in the House of Commons, it is now written into UK law under the terms of the EU withdrawal bill that we leave the EU on 29th March, either with a deal or without a deal. To overturn the conditions of the EU withdrawal bill which is now UK law would require primary legislation to be passed. Primary legislation can only be passed by the Prime minister and the government. Backbenchers and rebels outside government cannot enact primary legislation to stop a no deal exit happening. Do you think we'll leave on the 29th March? I can't see it happening. Yes, call it a hunch or a gut feeling but I think we'll end up leaving with a managed no deal exit on 29th March. I had a hunch and a gut feeling leave would win the referendum in 2016, turned out to be correct. I also had a hunch and a gut feeling Trump would win the Presidency and turned out to be correct. FFS, there is no such thing as a managed no deal. " Yes there is. Most reasonable people understand leaving on no deal means trading with the EU on WTO terms. The "managed" bit is where a small number of bilateral agreements are made upon a WTO exit to ensure the continuation of flights, etc. If you're in any doubt you can always go and have a read of the EU's own no deal planning papers which were released in December (which essentially spells out a managed no deal scenario, where planes continue to fly while we trade with the EU on WTO terms). Then the UK and the EU can move onto negotiating a sensible Canada style free trade agreement, as the UK will essentially be looked at as a 3rd country by the EU. Brexiteers wanted a Canada Style free trade agreement to begin with and was what David Davis and Steve Baker were working on in DExEU before Chequers. Donald Tusk and Michel Barnier said we could have a Canada style free trade agreement. Theresa May decided against it at Chequers and that is where she lost support of Brexiteers and the ERG in the Tory party. Theresa May only has herself to blame for this. | |||
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" Yes there is. Most reasonable people understand leaving on no deal means trading with the EU on WTO terms. The "managed" bit is where a small number of bilateral agreements are made upon a WTO exit to ensure the continuation of flights, etc. If you're in any doubt you can always go and have a read of the EU's own no deal planning papers which were released in December (which essentially spells out a managed no deal scenario, where planes continue to fly while we trade with the EU on WTO terms). Then the UK and the EU can move onto negotiating a sensible Canada style free trade agreement, as the UK will essentially be looked at as a 3rd country by the EU. Brexiteers wanted a Canada Style free trade agreement to begin with and was what David Davis and Steve Baker were working on in DExEU before Chequers. Donald Tusk and Michel Barnier said we could have a Canada style free trade agreement. Theresa May decided against it at Chequers and that is where she lost support of Brexiteers and the ERG in the Tory party. Theresa May only has herself to blame for this. " In November 2017 Michel Barnier produced his graphic and pointed out that because of the UK red lines, the only possible future relationship was a Canada style deal. David Davis rounded on Michel Barnier and announced that this was factually incorrect and nothing more than EU propaganda. To say that he was dead against it is an understatement. I am interested to know when David Davis went from condemning Michel Barnier's self-evident opinion that Canada was the only option to suddenly becoming a champion of it? | |||
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 ). But an FTA won’t civer all these temporary bilateral agreements. Yet like “wto and be done with it” it ignores our relationship is more than a trade agreement.
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"Farming and manufacturing get decimated ". That's good because we need all that farm land for these millions and millions of houses we apparently need. | |||
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That's good because we need all that farm land for these millions and millions of houses we apparently need."Lol. Every cloud. No wonder this was seen as “a good news story” in brexit land. | |||
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" Yes there is. Most reasonable people understand leaving on no deal means trading with the EU on WTO terms. The "managed" bit is where a small number of bilateral agreements are made upon a WTO exit to ensure the continuation of flights, etc. If you're in any doubt you can always go and have a read of the EU's own no deal planning papers which were released in December (which essentially spells out a managed no deal scenario, where planes continue to fly while we trade with the EU on WTO terms). Then the UK and the EU can move onto negotiating a sensible Canada style free trade agreement, as the UK will essentially be looked at as a 3rd country by the EU. Brexiteers wanted a Canada Style free trade agreement to begin with and was what David Davis and Steve Baker were working on in DExEU before Chequers. Donald Tusk and Michel Barnier said we could have a Canada style free trade agreement. Theresa May decided against it at Chequers and that is where she lost support of Brexiteers and the ERG in the Tory party. Theresa May only has herself to blame for this. " a.k.a. I'm a No Deal supporter who really wants a deal on security, a deal on aviation, a deal on driving licences, a deal on citizen rights, a deal on etc etc etc. . . but I like to tell all my friends I'm a big no deal supporter because it makes me proud to be British. yawn. | |||
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" There is also another scenario which is leaving the EU with no deal. The default legal position if Parliament can't agree on anything is we leave with no deal on March 29th. Er, not quite. If, by January 21, no agreement has been reached with the EU, Ministers must return to Parliament and seek approval for the alternative. It requires a motion to be passed in the House of Commons, and noted in the House of Lords. So the idea the UK can drift accidentally towards a hard exit doesn't stand. It is written into law that it cannot. MP's effectively voted for No Deal when they voted to trigger article 50 in 2017, and again when they subsequently voted by majority to pass the EU Withdrawal bill last year in 2018. Parliament voted by majority to trigger article 50 in March 2017 and under EU law as written into the EU treaties that means we now leave the EU on 29th March, either with a deal or without a deal. In terms of UK law the EU withdrawal bill passed by majority in the House of Commons, it is now written into UK law under the terms of the EU withdrawal bill that we leave the EU on 29th March, either with a deal or without a deal. To overturn the conditions of the EU withdrawal bill which is now UK law would require primary legislation to be passed. Primary legislation can only be passed by the Prime minister and the government. Backbenchers and rebels outside government cannot enact primary legislation to stop a no deal exit happening. Do you think we'll leave on the 29th March? I can't see it happening. Yes, call it a hunch or a gut feeling but I think we'll end up leaving with a managed no deal exit on 29th March. I had a hunch and a gut feeling leave would win the referendum in 2016, turned out to be correct. I also had a hunch and a gut feeling Trump would win the Presidency and turned out to be correct. FFS, there is no such thing as a managed no deal. Yes there is. Most reasonable people understand leaving on no deal means trading with the EU on WTO terms. The "managed" bit is where a small number of bilateral agreements are made upon a WTO exit to ensure the continuation of flights, etc. If you're in any doubt you can always go and have a read of the EU's own no deal planning papers which were released in December (which essentially spells out a managed no deal scenario, where planes continue to fly while we trade with the EU on WTO terms). Then the UK and the EU can move onto negotiating a sensible Canada style free trade agreement, as the UK will essentially be looked at as a 3rd country by the EU. Brexiteers wanted a Canada Style free trade agreement to begin with and was what David Davis and Steve Baker were working on in DExEU before Chequers. Donald Tusk and Michel Barnier said we could have a Canada style free trade agreement. Theresa May decided against it at Chequers and that is where she lost support of Brexiteers and the ERG in the Tory party. Theresa May only has herself to blame for this. " That's a deal(a crap one but a deal nevertheless). No Deal is no deal | |||
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