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"Is trump right to want a wall between Mexico and the USA? Should we do the same between us and Europe ( Northern Ireland) " "trump right" that's an oxymoron lol | |||
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"Is trump right to want a wall between Mexico and the USA? Should we do the same between us and Europe ( Northern Ireland) " Us and Europe? As in UK no longer is part of Europe after Brexit? What continent does it become  | |||
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"Is trump right to want a wall between Mexico and the USA? Should we do the same between us and Europe ( Northern Ireland) "trump right" that's an oxymoron lol" Unless that was an unsure response to the question "who is one of the most abysmal humans in history?" | |||
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"Is trump right to want a wall between Mexico and the USA? Should we do the same between us and Europe ( Northern Ireland) " Under the Brexit proposal if I was from an EU country and decided I wanted to come to say London to work illegally without going through passport control.... I could fly into Ireland, walk or drive across into Northern Ireland (no hard border remember) and then get a ferry over to the UK mainland. Same would apply the other way ... ferry from UK mainland to Northern Ireland, cross into Ireland and then ferry to France. This is why I can't see how the proposed system of keeping an open border in Ireland ever works. What this means is we will end up with same argument as in the US between building a wall or having a porous border. | |||
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"Turkey built a wall between them and Syria. Its patrolled by military vehicles funded by the EU. No-one seems to have a problem with that but as soon as Trump wants to build one there's global uproar" Yeaaaahh Turkey isn't exactly a country that western, democratic nations should be aspiring to... | |||
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"There's no sea around america that they could maybe use to get in? Trump is a racist, misogynistic idiot who is happy to sexually offend and assault women. If you think he has any good ideas, well... "If trump was a racist why do so many black people vote him in? He supports his own county and it’s working class unlike our country which is full of toffs and *flakes  | |||
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"There's no sea around america that they could maybe use to get in? Trump is a racist, misogynistic idiot who is happy to sexually offend and assault women. If you think he has any good ideas, well... If trump was a racist why do so many black people vote him in? He supports his own county and it’s working class unlike our country which is full of toffs and *flakes "Kind of this. I don't like him, nor would I have voted him (doubt I'd have voted hillary too) but the main problem with Trump is he just doesn't give a fuck more than anything. He just says and does without any thought to much. He also believes his own bullshit, but deep down he is actually doing what he feels right for his country (be it right or wrong) not many politicians give off the vibe and you can smell the bullshit coming off them. | |||
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"Ohh it’s turning into a political debate.... Don’t we have x forum for this? I thought it was simply a ‘should he build a wall’ or is Trump a dick type question. "Is it not the nature of every forum. Thread to descend in to total off-topicness?  | |||
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"Ohh it’s turning into a political debate.... Don’t we have x forum for this? I thought it was simply a ‘should he build a wall’ or is Trump a dick type question.
Is it not the nature of every forum. Thread to descend in to total off-topicness? "Nice jeans! | |||
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"Ohh it’s turning into a political debate.... Don’t we have x forum for this? I thought it was simply a ‘should he build a wall’ or is Trump a dick type question.
Is it not the nature of every forum. Thread to descend in to total off-topicness?
Nice jeans! "Haha thank you! And so the cycle of off-topicness continues | |||
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"There's no sea around america that they could maybe use to get in? Trump is a racist, misogynistic idiot who is happy to sexually offend and assault women. If you think he has any good ideas, well... If trump was a racist why do so many black people vote him in? He supports his own county and it’s working class unlike our country which is full of toffs and *flakes "I agree, if only we had a leader like President Trump! | |||
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"Is trump right to want a wall between Mexico and the USA? Should we do the same between us and Europe ( Northern Ireland) " trump and his administration were trying to use the excuse that its would stop terrorism and terrorists... and that 4000 people of interest were coming into the us .... till the bloke from fox news shot that down but correctly stating that people were coming into the country by plane.... and then a journo from nbc news found DHS documents from Border patrol saying the official number of people who came thru the southern border on the watch list was actually 6!!! as a comparison the number of people who came thru the northern border on the watch list was 42! so they switch yesterday to calling it a humanitarian crisis...... anyway the answer is no... trumps calling bs! he won't get his wall and the republicans are getting edgy as they are getting blamed for the government shutdown! | |||
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" If trump was a racist why do so many black people vote him in? He supports his own county and it’s working class unlike our country which is full of toffs and *flakes "loads of black people... you mean 6% of black people??? anyway if you want to know current approval rating for trump amongst black people.... it was 3%.... with a varience of +/- 3% | |||
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"There's no sea around america that they could maybe use to get in? Trump is a racist, misogynistic idiot who is happy to sexually offend and assault women. If you think he has any good ideas, well... If trump was a racist why do so many black people vote him in? He supports his own county and it’s working class unlike our country which is full of toffs and *flakes
I agree, if only we had a leader like President Trump! "Well maybe you should go to America then? Get a good job working for Don! | |||
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"So I'm guessing a lot of folk on here are happy with no border checks, no walls, no barriers at all. Just come on in, I hear California is great this time of year!" erm.... who said no border checks and no barriers.... you DO know that the largest border crossing in the world is the one just south of San Diego and Tijuana don't you? its called San Ysidro.... you might want to read up on it! | |||
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"There's no sea around america that they could maybe use to get in? Trump is a racist, misogynistic idiot who is happy to sexually offend and assault women. If you think he has any good ideas, well... If trump was a racist why do so many black people vote him in? He supports his own county and it’s working class unlike our country which is full of toffs and *flakes
I agree, if only we had a leader like President Trump! "Haha, as if Brexit isn’t going to fuck you hard enough! You want Trump to tear you open! Lol. | |||
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"There's no sea around america that they could maybe use to get in? Trump is a racist, misogynistic idiot who is happy to sexually offend and assault women. If you think he has any good ideas, well... If trump was a racist why do so many black people vote him in? He supports his own county and it’s working class unlike our country which is full of toffs and *flakes
I agree, if only we had a leader like President Trump!
Well maybe you should go to America then? Get a good job working for Don! "Maybe you want me deported? Lmfao... | |||
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"There's no sea around america that they could maybe use to get in? Trump is a racist, misogynistic idiot who is happy to sexually offend and assault women. If you think he has any good ideas, well... If trump was a racist why do so many black people vote him in? He supports his own county and it’s working class unlike our country which is full of toffs and *flakes
Kind of this.
I don't like him, nor would I have voted him (doubt I'd have voted hillary too) but the main problem with Trump is he just doesn't give a fuck more than anything. He just says and does without any thought to much.
He also believes his own bullshit, but deep down he is actually doing what he feels right for his country (be it right or wrong) not many politicians give off the vibe and you can smell the bullshit coming off them. "??. Nice to see someone speak a bit of sense. Regardless of whether you like him or not, he speaks his mind. Our politicians just spout what they think the people want to hear. | |||
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"Nice to see someone speak a bit of sense. Regardless of whether you like him or not, he speaks his mind. Our politicians just spout what they think the people want to hear. " There is a semi credible theory floating around (i do not subscribe to it) that points out that the Donald has been a Democrat for most of his life, that he said that if he ever was going to run for President he would run as a Republican because their supporters are dumber and easier to con. And that he is a Democrat plant who is in the process of destroying the GOP from the inside. The only thing we can know for sure about Trump is he lies and does not give a shit how many people he destroys to win and make money. | |||
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"Nice to see someone speak a bit of sense. Regardless of whether you like him or not, he speaks his mind. Our politicians just spout what they think the people want to hear. There is a semi credible theory floating around (i do not subscribe to it) that points out that the Donald has been a Democrat for most of his life, that he said that if he ever was going to run for President he would run as a Republican because their supporters are dumber and easier to con. And that he is a Democrat plant who is in the process of destroying the GOP from the inside. The only thing we can know for sure about Trump is he lies and does not give a shit how many people he destroys to win and make money." What makes it “semi credible” ? Yeah he lies, show me a politician that doesn’t | |||
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"What makes it “semi credible” ?" The facts may fit the theory but in my opinion the man is a racist, mob frontman and money launderer not a political agent provocateur. | |||
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"What makes it “semi credible” ? The facts may fit the theory but in my opinion the man is a racist, mob frontman and money launderer not a political agent provocateur." You haven’t answered my question, what makes the theory “semi credible”. | |||
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"There's no sea around america that they could maybe use to get in? Trump is a racist, misogynistic idiot who is happy to sexually offend and assault women. If you think he has any good ideas, well... "So many people in the US I'm friends with have pointed out that reliable stats show that between 60-80% of illegals comes via shipping freight. Realistically trump would be smarter to create more jobs by increasing port security. But he's an egotistical type who likely just wants to see "trump's Great wall" in history books. If I were the democrats I'd rinse everything I could out of him in exchange for the wall, reduce my workload then in 2 to 6 years time just show that immigration levels didn't drop significantly. | |||
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"Trump has had two years where Republicans were in control of both House and Senate and this was the optimum time to get hoscwall funded. Why get all hissy now when he could have achieved his aims long before Chuck and Nancy could interfere?" A good way for him to start gearing up for a second run. Make the Dems look bad to his base. Divide further. | |||
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"There's no sea around america that they could maybe use to get in? Trump is a racist, misogynistic idiot who is happy to sexually offend and assault women. If you think he has any good ideas, well... If trump was a racist why do so many black people vote him in? He supports his own county and it’s working class unlike our country which is full of toffs and *flakes "If turkeys had the vote, some might be convinced by oily rhetoric that Father Christmas was a good candidate for Prime Minister. | |||
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" ??. Nice to see someone speak a bit of sense. Regardless of whether you like him or not, he speaks his mind. Our politicians just spout what they think the people want to hear. " Haha are you serious? Trump is the epitome of saying what he thinks people want to hear! His message changes depending on the audience he's speaking to. | |||
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"Turkey built a wall between them and Syria. Its patrolled by military vehicles funded by the EU. No-one seems to have a problem with that but as soon as Trump wants to build one there's global uproar" Thats because 90% plus of people dont know that because the media hardly mention it | |||
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"Turkey built a wall between them and Syria. Its patrolled by military vehicles funded by the EU. No-one seems to have a problem with that but as soon as Trump wants to build one there's global uproar Thats because 90% plus of people dont know that because the media hardly mention it " Funded by the EU, so much for the EU building bridges, not walls. | |||
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"Turkey built a wall between them and Syria. Its patrolled by military vehicles funded by the EU. No-one seems to have a problem with that but as soon as Trump wants to build one there's global uproar Thats because 90% plus of people dont know that because the media hardly mention it Funded by the EU, so much for the EU building bridges, not walls. "Unfortunately media coverage is often rather one-sided. Just because it's not covered it doesn't mean it's widely accepted. The wall built along the Syrian-Turkish border and the reported indiscriminate firing at Syrian refugees trying to overcome the wall is appalling and shocking. Any wall built divides further and normally worsens a problem rather than solving it. The same applies to Trump's wall, although the situation is completely different, the wall won't solve the existing problems. | |||
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"Turkey built a wall between them and Syria. Its patrolled by military vehicles funded by the EU. No-one seems to have a problem with that but as soon as Trump wants to build one there's global uproar Thats because 90% plus of people dont know that because the media hardly mention it Funded by the EU, so much for the EU building bridges, not walls.
Unfortunately media coverage is often rather one-sided. Just because it's not covered it doesn't mean it's widely accepted. The wall built along the Syrian-Turkish border and the reported indiscriminate firing at Syrian refugees trying to overcome the wall is appalling and shocking. Any wall built divides further and normally worsens a problem rather than solving it. The same applies to Trump's wall, although the situation is completely different, the wall won't solve the existing problems.
"Didn't Trump say the following about "a wall" once: "You can climb it regardless of how tall it is, go around it, go under it and go over it" ? Before his rhetoric on the border situation! | |||
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"Turkey built a wall between them and Syria. Its patrolled by military vehicles funded by the EU. No-one seems to have a problem with that but as soon as Trump wants to build one there's global uproar Thats because 90% plus of people dont know that because the media hardly mention it Funded by the EU, so much for the EU building bridges, not walls. "Funny how you never mentioned that when criticising the EU for doing nothing to stop migrants flooding north | |||
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"What advantage is to you guys to offend the Americans and the American President. When they build their wall to make their country more secure then good on them !! Why do ye give a fuck , they are well capable of looking after their own country!!" Thing is the last thing we really want is barriers between Eire and Northern Ireland If I had my way Northern Ireland would be part of Eire and partially still in Britain by s joint treaty | |||
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"What advantage is to you guys to offend the Americans and the American President. When they build their wall to make their country more secure then good on them !! Why do ye give a fuck , they are well capable of looking after their own country!! Thing is the last thing we really want is barriers between Eire and Northern Ireland If I had my way Northern Ireland would be part of Eire and partially still in Britain by s joint treaty" Isn't that pretty CLOSE to the Good Friday Agreement? | |||
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"What advantage is to you guys to offend the Americans and the American President. When they build their wall to make their country more secure then good on them !! Why do ye give a fuck , they are well capable of looking after their own country!! Thing is the last thing we really want is barriers between Eire and Northern Ireland If I had my way Northern Ireland would be part of Eire and partially still in Britain by s joint treaty Isn't that pretty CLOSE to the Good Friday Agreement? " No | |||
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"What advantage is to you guys to offend the Americans and the American President. When they build their wall to make their country more secure then good on them !! Why do ye give a fuck , they are well capable of looking after their own country!! Thing is the last thing we really want is barriers between Eire and Northern Ireland If I had my way Northern Ireland would be part of Eire and partially still in Britain by s joint treaty Isn't that pretty CLOSE to the Good Friday Agreement? No" So what's the major differences then? | |||
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"What advantage is to you guys to offend the Americans and the American President. When they build their wall to make their country more secure then good on them !! Why do ye give a fuck , they are well capable of looking after their own country!! Thing is the last thing we really want is barriers between Eire and Northern Ireland If I had my way Northern Ireland would be part of Eire and partially still in Britain by s joint treaty Isn't that pretty CLOSE to the Good Friday Agreement? No So what's the major differences then?" The north is not PART of eire, I think thats a rather major difference | |||
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"There's no sea around america that they could maybe use to get in? Trump is a racist, misogynistic idiot who is happy to sexually offend and assault women. If you think he has any good ideas, well... If trump was a racist why do so many black people vote him in? He supports his own county and it’s working class unlike our country which is full of toffs and *flakes
Kind of this.
I don't like him, nor would I have voted him (doubt I'd have voted hillary too) but the main problem with Trump is he just doesn't give a fuck more than anything. He just says and does without any thought to much.
He also believes his own bullshit, but deep down he is actually doing what he feels right for his country (be it right or wrong) not many politicians give off the vibe and you can smell the bullshit coming off them.
??. Nice to see someone speak a bit of sense. Regardless of whether you like him or not, he speaks his mind. Our politicians just spout what they think the people want to hear. "He certainly speaks his mind. Why the ramblings of a misogynist, racist tosser should be inflicted on the world are an entirely different question | |||
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"He doesn't appear to be right about the wall and there's not overwhelming support for the idea I think. He's just a self-interested person who wants to get his own way, almost like a child that didn't mature appropriately. It's good to negotiate and have consensus in life and politics, which he doesn't want to do, nor appears skilled at. " No overwhelming support for the wall? Trump won the Presidency in case you forgot and building the wall was one of his campaign pledges he was elected on the back of. | |||
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"I didn’t follow the Us elections too closely. Nor am I close to the stalemate. But weren’t the Mexicans going to pay for the wall? Why has this become a budget issue then ?" Because he's childlike, and if he doesn't get his own way, he throws his toys out! | |||
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"He doesn't appear to be right about the wall and there's not overwhelming support for the idea I think. He's just a self-interested person who wants to get his own way, almost like a child that didn't mature appropriately. It's good to negotiate and have consensus in life and politics, which he doesn't want to do, nor appears skilled at. No overwhelming support for the wall? Trump won the Presidency in case you forgot and building the wall was one of his campaign pledges he was elected on the back of. " That wouldnt mean overwhelming support though would it? He lost the popular vote if you recall. Since then his approval rating has dropped like a stone and polls suggest that his plans for the border are anything but popular | |||
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"I didn’t follow the Us elections too closely. Nor am I close to the stalemate. But weren’t the Mexicans going to pay for the wall? Why has this become a budget issue then ?" Apparently he said the other day that he didnt literally mean theyd write a cheque for it...like everything else he spouts, it was mindless crap | |||
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"He doesn't appear to be right about the wall and there's not overwhelming support for the idea I think. He's just a self-interested person who wants to get his own way, almost like a child that didn't mature appropriately. It's good to negotiate and have consensus in life and politics, which he doesn't want to do, nor appears skilled at. No overwhelming support for the wall? Trump won the Presidency in case you forgot and building the wall was one of his campaign pledges he was elected on the back of. " Yes, with that teensie tiny detail that Mexico was going to pay for it. You know as he kept getting people chanting. And on the campaign website said Mexico were going to pay for in a lump sum. Details matter. Be it for Trumps pledges or Leavers pledges. If I said to you I was going to give you a free car you’d probably be quite supportive of that idea. If I then later told you that actually you’d have to pay for it, you might be less supportive of that plan. -Matt | |||
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"He doesn't appear to be right about the wall and there's not overwhelming support for the idea I think. He's just a self-interested person who wants to get his own way, almost like a child that didn't mature appropriately. It's good to negotiate and have consensus in life and politics, which he doesn't want to do, nor appears skilled at. No overwhelming support for the wall? Trump won the Presidency in case you forgot and building the wall was one of his campaign pledges he was elected on the back of. That wouldnt mean overwhelming support though would it? He lost the popular vote if you recall. Since then his approval rating has dropped like a stone and polls suggest that his plans for the border are anything but popular" Are these polls you refer to the same ones and from the same companies which suggested there would be a 'blue wave' of democrat votes in the mid term elections? The same ones that suggested the Republicans would be wiped out in the mid-term elections? Didn't quite turn out that way in the real world did it as Trump and the Republicans held onto the Senate. That suggests these polls you put so much faith in are really not that reliable. | |||
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"He doesn't appear to be right about the wall and there's not overwhelming support for the idea I think. He's just a self-interested person who wants to get his own way, almost like a child that didn't mature appropriately. It's good to negotiate and have consensus in life and politics, which he doesn't want to do, nor appears skilled at. No overwhelming support for the wall? Trump won the Presidency in case you forgot and building the wall was one of his campaign pledges he was elected on the back of. That wouldnt mean overwhelming support though would it? He lost the popular vote if you recall. Since then his approval rating has dropped like a stone and polls suggest that his plans for the border are anything but popular Are these polls you refer to the same ones and from the same companies which suggested there would be a 'blue wave' of democrat votes in the mid term elections? The same ones that suggested the Republicans would be wiped out in the mid-term elections? Didn't quite turn out that way in the real world did it as Trump and the Republicans held onto the Senate. That suggests these polls you put so much faith in are really not that reliable. " Why does this not surprise me? Are you going to address the slight issue of why he needs this funding? | |||
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"I didn’t follow the Us elections too closely. Nor am I close to the stalemate. But weren’t the Mexicans going to pay for the wall? Why has this become a budget issue then ? Apparently he said the other day that he didnt literally mean theyd write a cheque for it...like everything else he spouts, it was mindless crap" Is this really true ? How wet there they going to pay for it metophorically ? | |||
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"I didn’t follow the Us elections too closely. Nor am I close to the stalemate. But weren’t the Mexicans going to pay for the wall? Why has this become a budget issue then ? Apparently he said the other day that he didnt literally mean theyd write a cheque for it...like everything else he spouts, it was mindless crap Is this really true ? How wet there they going to pay for it metophorically ?" He're his tweet from December: "Donald J. Trump ? @realDonaldTrump Mexico is paying (indirectly) for the Wall through the new USMCA, the replacement for NAFTA! Far more money coming to the U.S. Because of the tremendous dangers at the Border, including large scale criminal and drug inflow, the United States Military will build the Wall!" The Following is a reaction from The Time Web site ( I'd post a link but a certain user likes reporting links on here): "However, experts say that this new claim is problematic in a number of ways. Expecting the USMCA to pay for the border wall misses the point of the trade agreement, says Welles Orr, who worked on the original NAFTA agreement as the Assistant U.S. Trade Representative for Congressional Affairs under George H.W. Bush. “Trade agreements are designed to reduce regulatory hurdles,” Orr says. “Most of our tariffs are zero, or very, very low.” Orr says that he likes the trade agreement because it adds new provisions to the NAFTA agreement — such as addressing e-commerce — and says it’s not necessarily adding new tariffs. And even if it did add new tariffs, Orr added, they won’t go directly to a wall or other project. Any funds collected through a tariff would go into the U.S. Treasury fund — not to a particular project, Orr says. "“That’s not the way trade agreements work,” Orr says. “Tariffs that are collected by the U.S. Treasury would fund the U.S. Treasury.” Orr also notes that the trade agreement hasn’t been ratified by the U.S., Mexico and Canada yet, and won’t be until “spring at the earliest.” The final agreement still needs to be formally ratified by the United States, Mexico and Canada — including by the now Democrat-controlled House. Passage may be months away. Both the new Mexican president, Andrés Manuel López Obrador, and his predecessor are strongly against the border wall — and the political situation in Mexico makes it very unlikely that the country would fund such a wall, says Juan Carlos Hartasánchez, a trade analyst who has worked with Mexican banks and companies. “From my position, it’s a stretch to say the USMCA in any way would be able to fund a border wall,” Hartasánchez says. Like the preexisting NAFTA agreement, USMCA includes portions that would benefit all three countries. The one element that could be said to advantage American manufacturers is the auto parts segment, which would increase the ratio of parts in a car that need to be built in the United States, Hartasánchez says. However, Hartasánchez argues that it’s unclear how much Mexican manufacturers would actually be paying. Manufacturers would typically work to avoid such a tariff by adjusting their supply lines — and might pass the cost of a tariff off to consumers. “It’s unclear who would pay for it. It might be the American taxpayer, who is paying for a more expensive product,” says Hartasánchez. | |||
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"There's no sea around america that they could maybe use to get in? Trump is a racist, misogynistic idiot who is happy to sexually offend and assault women. If you think he has any good ideas, well... If trump was a racist why do so many black people vote him in? He supports his own county and it’s working class unlike our country which is full of toffs and *flakes "Maybe look into why people stay with their abusers and don't leave? There's some very enlightening information out there. | |||
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"Turkey built a wall between them and Syria. Its patrolled by military vehicles funded by the EU. No-one seems to have a problem with that but as soon as Trump wants to build one there's global uproar Thats because 90% plus of people dont know that because the media hardly mention it Funded by the EU, so much for the EU building bridges, not walls.
Unfortunately media coverage is often rather one-sided. Just because it's not covered it doesn't mean it's widely accepted. The wall built along the Syrian-Turkish border and the reported indiscriminate firing at Syrian refugees trying to overcome the wall is appalling and shocking. Any wall built divides further and normally worsens a problem rather than solving it. The same applies to Trump's wall, although the situation is completely different, the wall won't solve the existing problems.
Didn't Trump say the following about "a wall" once:
"You can climb it regardless of how tall it is, go around it, go under it and go over it" ? Before his rhetoric on the border situation!"Yes he did. Seen the video doing the rounds on facebook. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaa4LB9iGpU | |||
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