FabSwingers.com forum: oh dear more remain lies

By *obka3 OP Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

So it appears that the peoples march wasnt a s big as claimed, now thats a surprise.

Following a request under the Freedom of Information Act, Scotland Yard told The Sunday Telegraph: "The Greater London Authority (GLA) has included an estimated attendance figure of 250,000 in a debrief document.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1067870/brexit-news-peoples-vote-march-leave-EU-october-protest

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"So it appears that the peoples march wasnt a s big as claimed, now thats a surprise.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1067870/brexit-news-peoples-vote-march-leave-EU-october-protest"

Already did a thread on this earlier. Not many remainers have posted on it though. Wonder why?

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By *obka3 OP Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"So it appears that the peoples march wasnt a s big as claimed, now thats a surprise.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1067870/brexit-news-peoples-vote-march-leave-EU-october-protest

Already did a thread on this earlier. Not many remainers have posted on it though. Wonder why?

Sorry not been on for a couple of days and someone sent me an email with it,still im an old thick leave voter so no wonder I cocked up

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"So it appears that the peoples march wasnt a s big as claimed, now thats a surprise.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1067870/brexit-news-peoples-vote-march-leave-EU-october-protest

Already did a thread on this earlier. Not many remainers have posted on it though. Wonder why?

Sorry not been on for a couple of days and someone sent me an email with it,still im an old thick leave voter so no wonder I cocked up

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yeah me too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ll reply

I’m a remainers.

I don’t care how many people were reported as going on this march, doesn’t change the fact that Brexit is a load of dog shit.

I’m not clicking on a link by the express, I’m a member of Stop funding hate. I assume it’s inaccurate, xenophobic and poorly written with RANDOM words capitalised.

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By *obka3 OP Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"I’ll reply

I’m a remainers.

I don’t care how many people were reported as going on this march, doesn’t change the fact that Brexit is a load of dog shit.

I’m not clicking on a link by the express, I’m a member of Stop funding hate. I assume it’s inaccurate, xenophobic and poorly written with RANDOM words capitalised."

Glad to see you are openminded and look at stuff that you ASSUME wont agree with your view, if you only look at stuff that you feel you agree with how would you ever learn something new or see the other side of an argument, that sounds like a bigot to me

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"I’ll reply

I’m a remainers.

I don’t care how many people were reported as going on this march, doesn’t change the fact that Brexit is a load of dog shit.

I’m not clicking on a link by the express, I’m a member of Stop funding hate. I assume it’s inaccurate, xenophobic and poorly written with RANDOM words capitalised.

Sounds like a snowflake who doesn't like having his safe space invaded.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’ll reply

I’m a remainers.

I don’t care how many people were reported as going on this march, doesn’t change the fact that Brexit is a load of dog shit.

I’m not clicking on a link by the express, I’m a member of Stop funding hate. I assume it’s inaccurate, xenophobic and poorly written with RANDOM words capitalised.

More than happy to read anything intelligent and interest that makes a point contrary to my point of view.

But I won’t support the hate pedalling Express newspaper.

If standing up for what I believe in makes me a snowflake, then I’ll wear that badge with pride. Especially when it’s given to me by the character Centaur.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So it appears that the peoples march wasnt a s big as claimed, now thats a surprise.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1067870/brexit-news-peoples-vote-march-leave-EU-october-protest

Already did a thread on this earlier. Not many remainers have posted on it though. Wonder why?

Because it's pointless

Maybe because it's boring

Probably because it means nothing

Take your pick

But if you're the petty pointless point scoring types then knock yourselves out

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By *obka3 OP Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"I’ll reply

I’m a remainers.

I don’t care how many people were reported as going on this march, doesn’t change the fact that Brexit is a load of dog shit.

I’m not clicking on a link by the express, I’m a member of Stop funding hate. I assume it’s inaccurate, xenophobic and poorly written with RANDOM words capitalised.

More than happy to read anything intelligent and interest that makes a point contrary to my point of view.

But I won’t support the hate pedalling Express newspaper.

If standing up for what I believe in makes me a snowflake, then I’ll wear that badge with pride. Especially when it’s given to me by the character Centaur. "

Nothing wrong at all instanding up for what you beleive I only wish all our politicians did, but thats very different from looking at everything thats has a different view of your own

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’ll reply

I’m a remainers.

I don’t care how many people were reported as going on this march, doesn’t change the fact that Brexit is a load of dog shit.

I’m not clicking on a link by the express, I’m a member of Stop funding hate. I assume it’s inaccurate, xenophobic and poorly written with RANDOM words capitalised.

More than happy to read anything intelligent and interest that makes a point contrary to my point of view.

But I won’t support the hate pedalling Express newspaper.

If standing up for what I believe in makes me a snowflake, then I’ll wear that badge with pride. Especially when it’s given to me by the character Centaur.

Nothing wrong at all instanding up for what you beleive I only wish all our politicians did, but thats very different from looking at everything thats has a different view of your own"

For what they believe?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"I’ll reply

I’m a remainers.

I don’t care how many people were reported as going on this march, doesn’t change the fact that Brexit is a load of dog shit.

I’m not clicking on a link by the express, I’m a member of Stop funding hate. I assume it’s inaccurate, xenophobic and poorly written with RANDOM words capitalised.

More than happy to read anything intelligent and interest that makes a point contrary to my point of view.

But I won’t support the hate pedalling Express newspaper.

If standing up for what I believe in makes me a snowflake, then I’ll wear that badge with pride. Especially when it’s given to me by the character Centaur. "

Enjoy your echo chamber Dave.

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By *obka3 OP Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

Yes politicians standing up for what they believe, you know like JC being anti eu all his voting life in the commons now trying to run with the fox and hunt with the hounds or TM being a remainer now fudging up leaving, while I wouldnt agree with his politics at least dennis skinner said what he meant and I respected that, the same with MT she meant what she said like it or not, most MPs seem more intent on their bank accounts and career rather than saying what they mean

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’ll reply

I’m a remainers.

I don’t care how many people were reported as going on this march, doesn’t change the fact that Brexit is a load of dog shit.

I’m not clicking on a link by the express, I’m a member of Stop funding hate. I assume it’s inaccurate, xenophobic and poorly written with RANDOM words capitalised.

More than happy to read anything intelligent and interest that makes a point contrary to my point of view.

But I won’t support the hate pedalling Express newspaper.

If standing up for what I believe in makes me a snowflake, then I’ll wear that badge with pride. Especially when it’s given to me by the character Centaur.

Enjoy your echo chamber Dave.

Just because I don’t read the Dail Express doesn’t mean I’m in an “echo chamber”.

Come on mate, I know you only read it to get some of the wind up shite to post on here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I suppose it would hold more water if it had been reported in the Guardian?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I suppose it would hold more water if it had been reported in the Guardian?

Not a great news paper. But it’s not full of hate like he Express.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I suppose it would hold more water if it had been reported in the Guardian?

Not a great news paper. But it’s not full of hate like he Express. "

Bollocks, it’s a liberal pile of shit that is full of lies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can anyone imagine what Bernard Manning would have made of all this...

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I suppose it would hold more water if it had been reported in the Guardian?

Not a great news paper. But it’s not full of hate like he Express.

Bollocks, it’s a liberal pile of shit that is full of lies."

Compared to the mail and its shabby tripe and top of the tree for paying out for slander, libel etc it's streets ahead or was..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can anyone imagine what Bernard Manning would have made of all this...

I don’t think we need to imagine. Plenty of Fab users have his opinions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I suppose it would hold more water if it had been reported in the Guardian?

Not a great news paper. But it’s not full of hate like he Express.

Bollocks, it’s a liberal pile of shit that is full of lies."

I’m not here to defend the guardian news paper. Like i said, it’s not great. It’s hardly “liberal”.

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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago

south west , continental

The Guardian newspaper has a pretty low circulation, I reckon it's biggest buyer is the newsroom teams at the BBC.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"The Guardian newspaper has a pretty low circulation, I reckon it's biggest buyer is the newsroom teams at the BBC. "

It's probably only the BBC which is keeping it afloat in the UK. The Guardian's USA branch went bust.

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London

"The Guardian newspaper has a pretty low circulation, I reckon it's biggest buyer is the newsroom teams at the BBC.

It's probably only the BBC which is keeping it afloat in the UK. The Guardian's USA branch went bust. "

It seems to do ok. Perhaps because an Ipsos MORI survey of 35k people last year showed it to be the most trusted newsbrand. Whereas the Sun and Mail were the least.

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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago

south west , continental

"The Guardian newspaper has a pretty low circulation, I reckon it's biggest buyer is the newsroom teams at the BBC.

It's probably only the BBC which is keeping it afloat in the UK. The Guardian's USA branch went bust.

It seems to do ok. Perhaps because an Ipsos MORI survey of 35k people last year showed it to be the most trusted newsbrand. Whereas the Sun and Mail were the least."

Ipsos MORI are BBC chums of the highest order. What the BBC want they get from them. They are not at all an independent impartial survey company.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

250,000 is a significant number - unless you count each person individually you will never know the true numbers! So how many leave demos got more than 250,000?

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By *obka3 OP Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"250,000 is a significant number - unless you count each person individually you will never know the true numbers! So how many leave demos got more than 250,000? "

I agree it is a big number but thats not the point is it, remainers have been slating the leave campaign for misinformation yet time and again they have been shown to make stuff up, this time it appears atm they have been caught out, it is stupid and lying undermines anyones case. Once someone has lied to meeverything they then say is taken with a pinch of salt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"250,000 is a significant number - unless you count each person individually you will never know the true numbers! So how many leave demos got more than 250,000?

Not answered my question - how many leave demos got more than 250,000?

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By *obka3 OP Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"250,000 is a significant number - unless you count each person individually you will never know the true numbers! So how many leave demos got more than 250,000?

Not answered my question - how many leave demos got more than 250,000?"

None so far but I bet they will if we dont leave. But its not the point remain lied, again so whats your view on that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"250,000 is a significant number - unless you count each person individually you will never know the true numbers! So how many leave demos got more than 250,000?

Not answered my question - how many leave demos got more than 250,000?

None so far but I bet they will if we dont leave. But its not the point remain lied, again so whats your view on that "

Well to answer your question about numbers who lied, the organisers of the march or the media? Was it a Donald Trump moment like his inauguration - the biggest ever attendance? Have they broken the law - has it been proved? Now let's look at the leave campaigns. ...proved in a British court of law as having lied & cheated - rest my case!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pahahahaha!!! Doesn't really affect anything important tho does it?! Unlike the lies told to get your vote!

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London

"The Guardian newspaper has a pretty low circulation, I reckon it's biggest buyer is the newsroom teams at the BBC.

It's probably only the BBC which is keeping it afloat in the UK. The Guardian's USA branch went bust.

It seems to do ok. Perhaps because an Ipsos MORI survey of 35k people last year showed it to be the most trusted newsbrand. Whereas the Sun and Mail were the least.

Ipsos MORI are BBC chums of the highest order. What the BBC want they get from them. They are not at all an independent impartial survey company. "

I would think they'd soon go out of business in that case. And also get kicked out of the Market Research Society who lay down the survey rules.

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

"The Guardian newspaper has a pretty low circulation, I reckon it's biggest buyer is the newsroom teams at the BBC.

It's probably only the BBC which is keeping it afloat in the UK. The Guardian's USA branch went bust.

It seems to do ok. Perhaps because an Ipsos MORI survey of 35k people last year showed it to be the most trusted newsbrand. Whereas the Sun and Mail were the least.

Ipsos MORI are BBC chums of the highest order. What the BBC want they get from them. They are not at all an independent impartial survey company. "

Half baked conspiracy theory nonsense.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

As the only two sources are Brexit supporting papers with no text quoted and no document available to interrogate I think I'll pass on your assertion as your interpretation of data and theirs is questionable at best.

If you can find the document made available in the freedom of information request but not then replicated even in part then I'll be interested.

They have implied something without giving the actual wording.

Why so that?

The papers claim that the figure was used in a GLA document but is careful not to quote the text or give the context.

This is the FOI to the Metropolitan Police that does exist:

"Dear Mr. Goodman,

Freedom of Information Request Reference No: 2018100001387

I write in connection with your request for information which was received

by the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) on 23/10/2018. I note you seek

access to the following:

"Can you please publish any data, information, or estimates you hold, or

have communicated, about the number of attendees at the "Peoples Vote

March" in London on 20th October 2018."

SEARCHES TO LOCATE INFORMATION

To locate the information relevant to your request searches were conducted

by MO6 - Public Order and Resources. The searches failed to locate any

information relevant to your request and therefore the information you

have requested is not held. The MPS has not produced any information on

attendance figures for the People's Vote march."

The Express is quoting the Sunday Times quoting an undisclosed freedom of information request quoting Scotland Yard reporting a figure that the GLA estimated.

There is nothing to give this context. Was this a minimum attendance figure? Maximum? Was it the expected attendance figure? Was it the estimated attendance figure at the start of the demonstration? Who knows? We don't even know what the FOI request was for.

Makes for a good old distraction though:

'Following a request under the Freedom of Information Act, Scotland Yard told The Sunday Telegraph: "The Greater London Authority (GLA) has included an estimated attendance figure of 250,000 in a debrief document.

"Please note this is not a Metropolitan Police Service estimate as we have not recorded an estimated attendance figure for the march."'

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