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" October - 700,000 anti-Brexit demonstrators march in London - zero arrests. Yesterday - 100 pro-Brexit demonstrators in yellow march in London - four arrests What is it about Brexit that attracts the thuggish element of British society? " They're all members of the Bullingdon Club  | |||
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" October - 700,000 anti-Brexit demonstrators march in London - zero arrests. Yesterday - 100 pro-Brexit demonstrators in yellow march in London - four arrests What is it about Brexit that attracts the thuggish element of British society? They're all members of the Bullingdon Club "At least the Bullingdon club pay for the damage and the pork. | |||
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" October - 700,000 anti-Brexit demonstrators march in London - zero arrests. Yesterday - 100 pro-Brexit demonstrators in yellow march in London - four arrests What is it about Brexit that attracts the thuggish element of British society? They're all members of the Bullingdon Club
At least the Bullingdon club pay for the damage and the pork. "That's true! | |||
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" October - 700,000 anti-Brexit demonstrators march in London - zero arrests. Yesterday - 100 pro-Brexit demonstrators in yellow march in London - four arrests What is it about Brexit that attracts the thuggish element of British society? " Bagh, that's just Project Fear  | |||
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" October - 700,000 anti-Brexit demonstrators march in London - zero arrests. Yesterday - 100 pro-Brexit demonstrators in yellow march in London - four arrests What is it about Brexit that attracts the thuggish element of British society? Because for some reason there has been a tendency for the less well educated or poorer elements in our society to think that leaving the EU will improve their lot, dispite all the indications that they will suffer the most from leaving. So as they feel they have more to gain and nothing lose, breaking the law using violence is viewed by them as acceptable. " | |||
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"Here we go again the less educated and poorer people are Brexiteers.Another remainder looking down their nose at us poor uneducated leavers.How insulting can you get. " And here's another brexiteer with an inferiority complex. I didn't say all brexiteers were poor or uneducated, just as not all brexiteers are racists (another frequently thrown accusation), but looking at the demographics of the leave voters it was shown that those groups were much more likely to vote leave. If you choose take that as a personal insult, that's says more about your mindset than any thing else. | |||
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"Here we go again the less educated and poorer people are Brexiteers.Another remainder looking down their nose at us poor uneducated leavers.How insulting can you get. " It's really an easy conclusion to come to, the negative consequences of Brexit will soon be home to roost. The Brexit glitterati created a milk & honey scenario that was incredible, beyond rational thinking. Even Gove, the leave puppet master in chief is starting to drip feed the bad news to his acolytes. The only shame is he or Johnson wasn't in charge as the inevitable fallout will be blamed entirely on May when they would have done no better. | |||
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" The Brexit glitterati created a milk & honey scenario that was incredible, beyond rational thinking. Even Gove, the leave puppet master in chief is starting to drip feed the bad news to his acolytes. The only shame is he or Johnson wasn't in charge as the inevitable fallout will be blamed entirely on May when they would have done no better." Don't worry, they will find someone else to blame. Probably a foreigner, and decry those who disagree as being unpatriotic. | |||
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"Here we go again the less educated and poorer people are Brexiteers.Another remainder looking down their nose at us poor uneducated leavers.How insulting can you get. " Doesn't the general consensus of studies into the voting habits of the referendum conclude with this view though ? If it's generally a fact I wouldn't call it "looking down their noses". | |||
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"Here we go again the less educated and poorer people are Brexiteers.Another remainder looking down their nose at us poor uneducated leavers.How insulting can you get. " a) can you show me where anyone said that.... because that isn't written, that is you lashing out b) these are the same folk who threatened mp Anna Soubrey to the point where they were going to be charged with public order offences..... but in there words it was "just banter" | |||
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"Here we go again the less educated and poorer people are Brexiteers.Another remainder looking down their nose at us poor uneducated leavers.How insulting can you get. " FFS, don't be such a snowflake. Not every generalisation of BREXITERS applies to every BREXITER personally or you individually. | |||
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"well i for one would never presume that the majority of remainers were uneducated and i think it shows alot about your mentality to defend it.What demographics are we looking at for the less educated?Just because someone may live in a poorer area or in the north east does not make them uneducated it just means they havnt had the same opportunities in life.So for someone to presume that the uneducated voted for brexit where are the facts.I expect that there are as many people without any qualifications in (for example London) who voted remain as people in (for example sunderland) who voted leave.So i will defend my original statement that it is another generalization of leavers. " Why are you diberately ignoring and misquoting all of the above comments in response to your previous posting? | |||
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"well i for one would never presume that the majority of remainers were uneducated and i think it shows alot about your mentality to defend it.What demographics are we looking at for the less educated?Just because someone may live in a poorer area or in the north east does not make them uneducated it just means they havnt had the same opportunities in life.So for someone to presume that the uneducated voted for brexit where are the facts.I expect that there are as many people without any qualifications in (for example London) who voted remain as people in (for example sunderland) who voted leave.So i will defend my original statement that it is another generalization of leavers. " https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034 There you go! | |||
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" October - 700,000 anti-Brexit demonstrators march in London - zero arrests. Yesterday - 100 pro-Brexit demonstrators in yellow march in London - four arrests What is it about Brexit that attracts the thuggish element of British society? The thugs at the demo yesterday ? The police ! " | |||
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" October - 700,000 anti-Brexit demonstrators march in London - zero arrests. Yesterday - 100 pro-Brexit demonstrators in yellow march in London - four arrests What is it about Brexit that attracts the thuggish element of British society? The thugs at the demo yesterday ? The police ! " So because the people on the march sat down blocking traffic and started throwing smoke bombs the police were the thugs? Tbh the footage is limited, maybe you were there or can point to something to validate your claim? | |||
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"Because for some reason there has been a tendency for the less well educated or poorer elements in our society to think that leaving the EU will improve their lot, dispite all the indications that they will suffer the most from leaving. So as they feel they have more to gain and nothing lose, breaking the law using violence is viewed by them as acceptable." Two separate things there. I agree with the first bit - a lot of people who voted to leave felt they had nothing to lose and had an opportunity to poke the rich elite in the eye. That's a symptom of inequality. The 2nd point is the violent cohort within the Brexit fan club - the extremists with fists. My question was about the 2nd lot - what is it about Brexit that gives them the licence to act out on their grievances? | |||
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"or just maybe they didnt want to poke "the rich and elite in the eye" they wanted to rid themselves of the leaches in the eu ever thought of that? considering that was what the vote was about ." I believe that you swallowed the bullshit and that’s what iou believe yes. | |||
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"Your making a fuss about 4 arrests? It’s a fuss about nothing..." Ere we go.. Back in the day on demo's.. Blah blah..  | |||
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"or just maybe they didnt want to poke "the rich and elite in the eye" they wanted to rid themselves of the leaches in the eu ever thought of that? considering that was what the vote was about . I believe that you swallowed the bullshit and that’s what iou believe yes." Thats exactly what i voted for,"bullshit" well thats your opinion i respect that but not mine. | |||
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"or just maybe they didnt want to poke "the rich and elite in the eye" they wanted to rid themselves of the leaches in the eu ever thought of that? considering that was what the vote was about ." Watch this weeks Brexit drama and you’ll see how the British nationalists learned from the Scottish nationalists. In 2014, the Scottish nationalists went after the missing voters - the people who do not usually turn out - and played on their emotions to convince them to turn out. They did, and places like Glasgow voted to leave on the highest turnout in memory. The British nationalists did exactly the same in England, with the type of rhetoric that would resonate among that cohort in England that doesn’t usually turn out. | |||
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"or just maybe they didnt want to poke "the rich and elite in the eye" they wanted to rid themselves of the leaches in the eu ever thought of that? considering that was what the vote was about ." ...but in ridding themselves of the 'EU leeches', they've restricted access financially, logistically and culturally to a community where we do a lot of business. Ps and leeches aren't the preserve of continental Europe. | |||
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"or just maybe they didnt want to poke "the rich and elite in the eye" they wanted to rid themselves of the leaches in the eu ever thought of that? considering that was what the vote was about ." Leaching? maybe you should have done this quiz prior to mid 2016! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0M8Xfr3o1Y | |||
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"Your making a fuss about 4 arrests? It’s a fuss about nothing... Ere we go.. Back in the day on demo's.. Blah blah.. "I don’t need to say it now, thanks... | |||
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"or just maybe they didnt want to poke "the rich and elite in the eye" they wanted to rid themselves of the leaches in the eu ever thought of that? considering that was what the vote was about . ...but in ridding themselves of the 'EU leeches', they've restricted access financially, logistically and culturally to a community where we do a lot of business. Ps and leeches aren't the preserve of continental Europe." No they are not and think the house of lords needs a rethink.Does allan sugar really need another £300 pound a day of our money? | |||
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" October - 700,000 anti-Brexit demonstrators march in London - zero arrests. Yesterday - 100 pro-Brexit demonstrators in yellow march in London - four arrests What is it about Brexit that attracts the thuggish element of British society? " 100 idiots and you relate that to millions,you have a pretty warped and vindictive mind and also very very very pathetic. This is a remark on the poster not on all remoaners I am far to big a human than that.I am sure most remainers are to | |||
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"Here we go again the less educated and poorer people are Brexiteers.Another remainder looking down their nose at us poor uneducated leavers.How insulting can you get. a) can you show me where anyone said that.... because that isn't written, that is you lashing out b) these are the same folk who threatened mp Anna Soubrey to the point where they were going to be charged with public order offences..... but in there words it was "just banter"" Stop trying to be an interlectual smart arse you make yourself look stupid | |||
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" October - 700,000 anti-Brexit demonstrators march in London - zero arrests. Yesterday - 100 pro-Brexit demonstrators in yellow march in London - four arrests What is it about Brexit that attracts the thuggish element of British society? " Haven't you heard OP, the 700,000 figure that the People's Vote claimed had attended its march last October is bullshit. The Greater London Authority have released an official attendance figure for that march of 250,000 after a freedom of information request. So really only a third of numbers claimed by the People's Vote, actually attended. www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1067870/brexit-news-peoples-vote-march-leave-EU-october-protest Not wanting to derail the thread i've also started a separate thread about this. | |||
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"or just maybe they didnt want to poke "the rich and elite in the eye" they wanted to rid themselves of the leaches in the eu ever thought of that? considering that was what the vote was about . ...but in ridding themselves of the 'EU leeches', they've restricted access financially, logistically and culturally to a community where we do a lot of business. Ps and leeches aren't the preserve of continental Europe.No they are not and think the house of lords needs a rethink.Does allan sugar really need another £300 pound a day of our money?" After a brief glance through this document I'm not sure he claims expenses for attendance in the Lord's. https://www.parliament.uk/business/lords/whos-in-the-house-of-lords/house-of-lords-expenses/#jump-link-0 | |||
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" October - 700,000 anti-Brexit demonstrators march in London - zero arrests. Yesterday - 100 pro-Brexit demonstrators in yellow march in London - four arrests What is it about Brexit that attracts the thuggish element of British society? 100 idiots and you relate that to millions,you have a pretty warped and vindictive mind and also very very very pathetic. This is a remark on the poster not on all remoaners I am far to big a human than that.I am sure most remainers are to" Everyone who goes on a pro-Brexit march is an idiot? That seems to be what you are saying. My point was about the arrest ratio of each. Four in 100, and zero in 250,000 or 750,000. Why does Brexit attract idiots, as you call them? | |||
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"or just maybe they didnt want to poke "the rich and elite in the eye" they wanted to rid themselves of the leaches in the eu ever thought of that? considering that was what the vote was about . ...but in ridding themselves of the 'EU leeches', they've restricted access financially, logistically and culturally to a community where we do a lot of business. Ps and leeches aren't the preserve of continental Europe.No they are not and think the house of lords needs a rethink.Does allan sugar really need another £300 pound a day of our money? After a brief glance through this document I'm not sure he claims expenses for attendance in the Lord's. https://www.parliament.uk/business/lords/whos-in-the-house-of-lords/house-of-lords-expenses/#jump-link-0 " ok maybe im doing him an injustice but i think it could do with a cull do we need that many lords and do they need expenses? | |||
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" October - 700,000 anti-Brexit demonstrators march in London - zero arrests. Yesterday - 100 pro-Brexit demonstrators in yellow march in London - four arrests What is it about Brexit that attracts the thuggish element of British society? Haven't you heard OP, the 700,000 figure that the People's Vote claimed had attended its march last October is bullshit. The Greater London Authority have released an official attendance figure for that march of 250,000 after a freedom of information request. So really only a third of numbers claimed by the People's Vote, actually attended. www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1067870/brexit-news-peoples-vote-march-leave-EU-october-protest Not wanting to derail the thread i've also started a separate thread about this. "This was an estimate not a "figure"...please don't mix that up. | |||
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"Because for some reason there has been a tendency for the less well educated or poorer elements in our society to think that leaving the EU will improve their lot, dispite all the indications that they will suffer the most from leaving. So as they feel they have more to gain and nothing lose, breaking the law using violence is viewed by them as acceptable. Two separate things there. I agree with the first bit - a lot of people who voted to leave felt they had nothing to lose and had an opportunity to poke the rich elite in the eye. That's a symptom of inequality. The 2nd point is the violent cohort within the Brexit fan club - the extremists with fists. My question was about the 2nd lot - what is it about Brexit that gives them the licence to act out on their grievances? " I think you need to take your blinkers off OP. The Brexit betrayal march organised by ukip last month in December was attended by thousands of Brexit supporters and passed off peacefully. There were however 3 arrests by police, of counter protesters supporting remain. A Met police spokesman said, "three members of the counter protest were arrested for a public order offence, assaulting a police officer and possession of an offensive weapon." So i could also ask you, based on what happened in December when 3 remainers were arrested by police in London - what is it about remain that gives them the licence to act out on their grievances? The 3 arrests i mentioned were reported in this link here..... www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1056880/Brexit-news-brexit-betrayal-march-tommy-robinson-ukip-march | |||
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"or just maybe they didnt want to poke "the rich and elite in the eye" they wanted to rid themselves of the leaches in the eu ever thought of that? considering that was what the vote was about . ...but in ridding themselves of the 'EU leeches', they've restricted access financially, logistically and culturally to a community where we do a lot of business. Ps and leeches aren't the preserve of continental Europe.No they are not and think the house of lords needs a rethink.Does allan sugar really need another £300 pound a day of our money? After a brief glance through this document I'm not sure he claims expenses for attendance in the Lord's. https://www.parliament.uk/business/lords/whos-in-the-house-of-lords/house-of-lords-expenses/#jump-link-0 ok maybe im doing him an injustice but i think it could do with a cull do we need that many lords and do they need expenses?" I'm no expert on the behind the scenes work of Lords but £300/day probably equates to around the total compensation of a manager in public services. | |||
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"or just maybe they didnt want to poke "the rich and elite in the eye" they wanted to rid themselves of the leaches in the eu ever thought of that? considering that was what the vote was about . ...but in ridding themselves of the 'EU leeches', they've restricted access financially, logistically and culturally to a community where we do a lot of business. Ps and leeches aren't the preserve of continental Europe.No they are not and think the house of lords needs a rethink.Does allan sugar really need another £300 pound a day of our money? After a brief glance through this document I'm not sure he claims expenses for attendance in the Lord's. https://www.parliament.uk/business/lords/whos-in-the-house-of-lords/house-of-lords-expenses/#jump-link-0 ok maybe im doing him an injustice but i think it could do with a cull do we need that many lords and do they need expenses? I'm no expert on the behind the scenes work of Lords but £300/day probably equates to around the total compensation of a manager in public services." We all have our own opinions but for me there are to many and most of them are rich anyway so why not means test them like the poor people on universal credit im sure that the money could be better spent elswhere. | |||
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"Your making a fuss about 4 arrests? It’s a fuss about nothing... Ere we go.. Back in the day on demo's.. Blah blah..
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"or just maybe they didnt want to poke "the rich and elite in the eye" they wanted to rid themselves of the leaches in the eu ever thought of that? considering that was what the vote was about . ...but in ridding themselves of the 'EU leeches', they've restricted access financially, logistically and culturally to a community where we do a lot of business. Ps and leeches aren't the preserve of continental Europe.No they are not and think the house of lords needs a rethink.Does allan sugar really need another £300 pound a day of our money? After a brief glance through this document I'm not sure he claims expenses for attendance in the Lord's. https://www.parliament.uk/business/lords/whos-in-the-house-of-lords/house-of-lords-expenses/#jump-link-0 ok maybe im doing him an injustice but i think it could do with a cull do we need that many lords and do they need expenses? I'm no expert on the behind the scenes work of Lords but £300/day probably equates to around the total compensation of a manager in public services.We all have our own opinions but for me there are to many and most of them are rich anyway so why not means test them like the poor people on universal credit im sure that the money could be better spent elswhere." I'd need to know the detail of the work they do and outcomes otherwise we might be throwing the baby out with bathwater...a la Brexit  | |||
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"or just maybe they didnt want to poke "the rich and elite in the eye" they wanted to rid themselves of the leaches in the eu ever thought of that? considering that was what the vote was about . ...but in ridding themselves of the 'EU leeches', they've restricted access financially, logistically and culturally to a community where we do a lot of business. Ps and leeches aren't the preserve of continental Europe.No they are not and think the house of lords needs a rethink.Does allan sugar really need another £300 pound a day of our money?" You do understand the point of the House of Lords don't you? You do also understand that they only receive thus for attendance and that the vast majority only attend when they feel they can contribute to a debate or vote or act on a committee don't you? You do also understand that numbers are so high so that they can draw from people with actual expertise in any given subject being legislated on don't you? You have read and understood how British Parliamentary democracy works haven't you? | |||
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"In fairness the trend was for less educated people to vote leave. I don’t know if poverty has anything to do with it. Also have no idea if any of that has anything to do with violence at the protest. Probably more to do with the EDL, UKIP, BNP types that feel empowered by Brexit and are loving the new Britian where they feel it’s aceptable to spout racism and hate. Not really anything to do with your average leave voter. " This is the point. Ultra Brexiteers don't seem to quite understand that most people who voted leave have not spent their lives angry and waiting for am opportunity to rid themselves of it. As soon as the process has a detrimental effect on their lives they'll bin it. Most remain voters, in my experience even on here do not blindly support the EU heart and soul. They seem to have a detached preference for collective endeavour and accept the compromises associated with it because it makes an incremental improvement to life in general. However, they are very aware of the negative consequences of leaving, especially unmanaged. Extreme views and actions marginal on either side. | |||
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" October - 700,000 anti-Brexit demonstrators march in London - zero arrests. Yesterday - 100 pro-Brexit demonstrators in yellow march in London - four arrests What is it about Brexit that attracts the thuggish element of British society? " As a leave voter I am ashamed to put in the same group as you. You want to be careful you dont bite your tongue you might die of bile poisoning. You have called all those who voted Brexit Thick,thugs and racists. You and your ilk need to suck it up and get a grip. Wondering why the BBC news is called Fake News or is breach of their contract on being impartial. It gets £3.7 billion from the EU. If we come out who will be getting a pay cut at the BBC or will it be passed on to us. | |||
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" I agree with the first bit - a lot of people who voted to leave felt they had nothing to lose and had an opportunity to poke the rich elite in the eye. That's a symptom of inequality. " This inequality thing is a Trojan horse. The word elite gets thrown around alot, usually in the most basic of arguments. The cause is the classic way to manipulate the public ....inflate a problem, find a group to scapegoat, sell the magic solution. The effect is turkeys voting for Christmas and societal breakdown. All the while life in the north of England wasn't that bad after all. | |||
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" October - 700,000 anti-Brexit demonstrators march in London - zero arrests. Yesterday - 100 pro-Brexit demonstrators in yellow march in London - four arrests What is it about Brexit that attracts the thuggish element of British society? As a leave voter I am ashamed to put in the same group as you. You want to be careful you dont bite your tongue you might die of bile poisoning. You have called all those who voted Brexit Thick,thugs and racists. You and your ilk need to suck it up and get a grip. Wondering why the BBC news is called Fake News or is breach of their contract on being impartial. It gets £3.7 billion from the EU. If we come out who will be getting a pay cut at the BBC or will it be passed on to us." Same group? 3.7 billion for the BBC? where did you get this figure form? | |||
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"or just maybe they didnt want to poke "the rich and elite in the eye" they wanted to rid themselves of the leaches in the eu ever thought of that? considering that was what the vote was about . ...but in ridding themselves of the 'EU leeches', they've restricted access financially, logistically and culturally to a community where we do a lot of business. Ps and leeches aren't the preserve of continental Europe.No they are not and think the house of lords needs a rethink.Does allan sugar really need another £300 pound a day of our money? You do understand the point of the House of Lords don't you? You do also understand that they only receive thus for attendance and that the vast majority only attend when they feel they can contribute to a debate or vote or act on a committee don't you? You do also understand that numbers are so high so that they can draw from people with actual expertise in any given subject being legislated on don't you? You have read and understood how British Parliamentary democracy works haven't you?" Unless or until the House of Lords say something you or other remainers don't like. Such as when the House of Lords said we aren't legally obliged to pay the EU a single penny in the event of no deal. Then remainers spit their dummies out (again) and say the House of Lords don't know what they are talking about and can't be trusted. | |||
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" October - 700,000 anti-Brexit demonstrators march in London - zero arrests. Yesterday - 100 pro-Brexit demonstrators in yellow march in London - four arrests What is it about Brexit that attracts the thuggish element of British society? As a leave voter I am ashamed to put in the same group as you. You want to be careful you dont bite your tongue you might die of bile poisoning. You have called all those who voted Brexit Thick,thugs and racists. You and your ilk need to suck it up and get a grip. Wondering why the BBC news is called Fake News or is breach of their contract on being impartial. It gets £3.7 billion from the EU. If we come out who will be getting a pay cut at the BBC or will it be passed on to us." Show me where I called all Brexit supporters thick, thugs and racists, please. | |||
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"Here we go again the less educated and poorer people are Brexiteers.Another remainder looking down their nose at us poor uneducated leavers.How insulting can you get. " Dont get to down-hearted Snowflake | |||
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"Because for some reason there has been a tendency for the less well educated or poorer elements in our society to think that leaving the EU will improve their lot, dispite all the indications that they will suffer the most from leaving. So as they feel they have more to gain and nothing lose, breaking the law using violence is viewed by them as acceptable. Two separate things there. I agree with the first bit - a lot of people who voted to leave felt they had nothing to lose and had an opportunity to poke the rich elite in the eye. That's a symptom of inequality. The 2nd point is the violent cohort within the Brexit fan club - the extremists with fists. My question was about the 2nd lot - what is it about Brexit that gives them the licence to act out on their grievances? I think you need to take your blinkers off OP. The Brexit betrayal march organised by ukip last month in December was attended by thousands of Brexit supporters and passed off peacefully. There were however 3 arrests by police, of counter protesters supporting remain. A Met police spokesman said, "three members of the counter protest were arrested for a public order offence, assaulting a police officer and possession of an offensive weapon." So i could also ask you, based on what happened in December when 3 remainers were arrested by police in London - what is it about remain that gives them the licence to act out on their grievances? The 3 arrests i mentioned were reported in this link here..... www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1056880/Brexit-news-brexit-betrayal-march-tommy-robinson-ukip-march" 
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So seems that lots of remoaners want to talk about 4 Brexiters being arrested, but when it's pointed out 3 remainers were arrested in London in December in the post quoted above its..........Silence. Lol "Actually, there is nothing to indicate that the arrests were specifically of remain supporters although they might have been. Quite right to arrest them though. More likely they were of those opposing the far right wing fans of UKIP and Tommy Robinson. These appear to been the bulk of those who attended the counter-protest (in far larger numbers than the Brexit-betrayal attendees). The difference is that this latest Brexit support protest had people who were involved arrested. Regardless, these are all people at the extremes of political belief. | |||
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"or just maybe they didnt want to poke "the rich and elite in the eye" they wanted to rid themselves of the leaches in the eu ever thought of that? considering that was what the vote was about . ...but in ridding themselves of the 'EU leeches', they've restricted access financially, logistically and culturally to a community where we do a lot of business. Ps and leeches aren't the preserve of continental Europe.No they are not and think the house of lords needs a rethink.Does allan sugar really need another £300 pound a day of our money? You do understand the point of the House of Lords don't you? You do also understand that they only receive thus for attendance and that the vast majority only attend when they feel they can contribute to a debate or vote or act on a committee don't you? You do also understand that numbers are so high so that they can draw from people with actual expertise in any given subject being legislated on don't you? You have read and understood how British Parliamentary democracy works haven't you? Unless or until the House of Lords say something you or other remainers don't like. Such as when the House of Lords said we aren't legally obliged to pay the EU a single penny in the event of no deal. Then remainers spit their dummies out (again) and say the House of Lords don't know what they are talking about and can't be trusted. " Nobody has said that the House of Lords don't know what they're talking about. They gave a qualified opinion acknowledging alternative interpretations and indicated that any chance of any future constructive relationship with the EU would require a negotiated settlement. Seems reasonable to me. Problem? Well done not answering the questions on behalf of someone else though | |||
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"or just maybe they didnt want to poke "the rich and elite in the eye" they wanted to rid themselves of the leaches in the eu ever thought of that? considering that was what the vote was about . ...but in ridding themselves of the 'EU leeches', they've restricted access financially, logistically and culturally to a community where we do a lot of business. Ps and leeches aren't the preserve of continental Europe.No they are not and think the house of lords needs a rethink.Does allan sugar really need another £300 pound a day of our money? You do understand the point of the House of Lords don't you? You do also understand that they only receive thus for attendance and that the vast majority only attend when they feel they can contribute to a debate or vote or act on a committee don't you? You do also understand that numbers are so high so that they can draw from people with actual expertise in any given subject being legislated on don't you? You have read and understood how British Parliamentary democracy works haven't you? Unless or until the House of Lords say something you or other remainers don't like. Such as when the House of Lords said we aren't legally obliged to pay the EU a single penny in the event of no deal. Then remainers spit their dummies out (again) and say the House of Lords don't know what they are talking about and can't be trusted. Nobody has said that the House of Lords don't know what they're talking about. " Yes they have, I think it was the remoaners on here known as SwingatCapdeAgde. | |||
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So seems that lots of remoaners want to talk about 4 Brexiters being arrested, but when it's pointed out 3 remainers were arrested in London in December in the post quoted above its..........Silence. Lol
Actually, there is nothing to indicate that the arrests were specifically of remain supporters although they might have been.
Quite right to arrest them though.
More likely they were of those opposing the far right wing fans of UKIP and Tommy Robinson. These appear to been the bulk of those who attended the counter-protest (in far larger numbers than the Brexit-betrayal attendees).
The difference is that this latest Brexit support protest had people who were involved arrested.
Regardless, these are all people at the extremes of political belief."They were remainers who were arrested. The brexit betrayal rally/March was a pro Brexit event. So by its very nature a counter demonstration would be anti Brexit (ie, remainers). A Met police spokesperson said 3 members of the counter demonstration were arrested, for the reasons quoted earlier. | |||
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So seems that lots of remoaners want to talk about 4 Brexiters being arrested, but when it's pointed out 3 remainers were arrested in London in December in the post quoted above its..........Silence. Lol "Given all three matches, it seems the “leavers” still have a higher strike rate... However that’s not good statistics, as the first few people who go on these marches will (on both sides I would guess) have a greater tendency to break the law. The last few will tend to be more peaceful. Using the marches as a yardstick for 50% of the population is just cheap shots all round and allows weak inferences and extrapolations. | |||
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So seems that lots of remoaners want to talk about 4 Brexiters being arrested, but when it's pointed out 3 remainers were arrested in London in December in the post quoted above its..........Silence. Lol
Actually, there is nothing to indicate that the arrests were specifically of remain supporters although they might have been.
Quite right to arrest them though.
More likely they were of those opposing the far right wing fans of UKIP and Tommy Robinson. These appear to been the bulk of those who attended the counter-protest (in far larger numbers than the Brexit-betrayal attendees).
The difference is that this latest Brexit support protest had people who were involved arrested.
Regardless, these are all people at the extremes of political belief.
They were remainers who were arrested. The brexit betrayal rally/March was a pro Brexit event. So by its very nature a counter demonstration would be anti Brexit (ie, remainers). A Met police spokesperson said 3 members of the counter demonstration were arrested, for the reasons quoted earlier. "1 + 2 = 5 again eh? I've already told you why your assertion is flawed. An anti-racist or anti right-wing demonstrator can counter-demonstrate against Tommy Robinson and his minions whilst having no interest in Brexit whatsoever. Have a little think. | |||
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"Here we go again the less educated and poorer people are Brexiteers.Another remainder looking down their nose at us poor uneducated leavers.How insulting can you get. a) can you show me where anyone said that.... because that isn't written, that is you lashing out b) these are the same folk who threatened mp Anna Soubrey to the point where they were going to be charged with public order offences..... but in there words it was "just banter "Stop trying to be an interlectual smart arse you make yourself look stupid" these are the people you seem to be defending _mmablu..... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/23/police-probe-far-right-yellow-vest-group-anna-soubry do you share their opinions? | |||
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"Here is a question for Brexiteers. How big do you think your thuggish fringe is and why do they attach themselves to your cause? " Considering 3 of your remainers were arrested in London in December, I'll ask you the same... How big do you think your thuggish fringe is and why do they attach themselves to your cause? | |||
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"Because for some reason there has been a tendency for the less well educated or poorer elements in our society to think that leaving the EU will improve their lot, dispite all the indications that they will suffer the most from leaving. So as they feel they have more to gain and nothing lose, breaking the law using violence is viewed by them as acceptable. Two separate things there. I agree with the first bit - a lot of people who voted to leave felt they had nothing to lose and had an opportunity to poke the rich elite in the eye. That's a symptom of inequality. The 2nd point is the violent cohort within the Brexit fan club - the extremists with fists. My question was about the 2nd lot - what is it about Brexit that gives them the licence to act out on their grievances? I think you need to take your blinkers off OP. The Brexit betrayal march organised by ukip last month in December was attended by thousands of Brexit supporters and passed off peacefully. There were however 3 arrests by police, of counter protesters supporting remain. A Met police spokesman said, "three members of the counter protest were arrested for a public order offence, assaulting a police officer and possession of an offensive weapon." So i could also ask you, based on what happened in December when 3 remainers were arrested by police in London - what is it about remain that gives them the licence to act out on their grievances? The 3 arrests i mentioned were reported in this link here..... www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1056880/Brexit-news-brexit-betrayal-march-tommy-robinson-ukip-march
So seems that lots of remoaners want to talk about 4 Brexiters being arrested, but when it's pointed out 3 remainers were arrested in London in December in the post quoted above its..........Silence. Lol
Actually, there is nothing to indicate that the arrests were specifically of remain supporters although they might have been.
Quite right to arrest them though.
More likely they were of those opposing the far right wing fans of UKIP and Tommy Robinson. These appear to been the bulk of those who attended the counter-protest (in far larger numbers than the Brexit-betrayal attendees).
The difference is that this latest Brexit support protest had people who were involved arrested.
Regardless, these are all people at the extremes of political belief.
They were remainers who were arrested. The brexit betrayal rally/March was a pro Brexit event. So by its very nature a counter demonstration would be anti Brexit (ie, remainers). A Met police spokesperson said 3 members of the counter demonstration were arrested, for the reasons quoted earlier.
1 + 2 = 5 again eh?
I've already told you why your assertion is flawed.
An anti-racist or anti right-wing demonstrator can counter-demonstrate against Tommy Robinson and his minions whilst having no interest in Brexit whatsoever.
Have a little think."They should choose their counter demos more carefully then. If they counter demo a Brexit rally/March they will be labelled as remainers, whether they like it or not. | |||
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"Because for some reason there has been a tendency for the less well educated or poorer elements in our society to think that leaving the EU will improve their lot, dispite all the indications that they will suffer the most from leaving. So as they feel they have more to gain and nothing lose, breaking the law using violence is viewed by them as acceptable. Two separate things there. I agree with the first bit - a lot of people who voted to leave felt they had nothing to lose and had an opportunity to poke the rich elite in the eye. That's a symptom of inequality. The 2nd point is the violent cohort within the Brexit fan club - the extremists with fists. My question was about the 2nd lot - what is it about Brexit that gives them the licence to act out on their grievances? I think you need to take your blinkers off OP. The Brexit betrayal march organised by ukip last month in December was attended by thousands of Brexit supporters and passed off peacefully. There were however 3 arrests by police, of counter protesters supporting remain. A Met police spokesman said, "three members of the counter protest were arrested for a public order offence, assaulting a police officer and possession of an offensive weapon." So i could also ask you, based on what happened in December when 3 remainers were arrested by police in London - what is it about remain that gives them the licence to act out on their grievances? The 3 arrests i mentioned were reported in this link here..... www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1056880/Brexit-news-brexit-betrayal-march-tommy-robinson-ukip-march
So seems that lots of remoaners want to talk about 4 Brexiters being arrested, but when it's pointed out 3 remainers were arrested in London in December in the post quoted above its..........Silence. Lol
Actually, there is nothing to indicate that the arrests were specifically of remain supporters although they might have been.
Quite right to arrest them though.
More likely they were of those opposing the far right wing fans of UKIP and Tommy Robinson. These appear to been the bulk of those who attended the counter-protest (in far larger numbers than the Brexit-betrayal attendees).
The difference is that this latest Brexit support protest had people who were involved arrested.
Regardless, these are all people at the extremes of political belief.
They were remainers who were arrested. The brexit betrayal rally/March was a pro Brexit event. So by its very nature a counter demonstration would be anti Brexit (ie, remainers). A Met police spokesperson said 3 members of the counter demonstration were arrested, for the reasons quoted earlier.
1 + 2 = 5 again eh?
I've already told you why your assertion is flawed.
An anti-racist or anti right-wing demonstrator can counter-demonstrate against Tommy Robinson and his minions whilst having no interest in Brexit whatsoever.
Have a little think.
They should choose their counter demos more carefully then. If they counter demo a Brexit rally/March they will be labelled as remainers, whether they like it or not. "Only by someone like you trying to get a micro-victory. Yet here you are acknowledging that those arrested may well have no interest in Brexit at all
Equally, they might have done, but neither you nor I know do we?
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"I did go look up your reference to December. A counter-demo to the EDL and chums. Anti-fascist. You are stretching things somewhat to call that a pro-Brexit mob. Those people turn out wherever neo-Nazis turn up, whatever the slogan on their banner. Be it "I Love Brexit" or "I Hate Muslims". " It was a Brexit rally/march. The clue is in the name, 'Brexit betrayal rally'. How dumb do you have to be to not realise it was a rally/March specifically about Brexit given the name. | |||
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"I did go look up your reference to December. A counter-demo to the EDL and chums. Anti-fascist. You are stretching things somewhat to call that a pro-Brexit mob. Those people turn out wherever neo-Nazis turn up, whatever the slogan on their banner. Be it "I Love Brexit" or "I Hate Muslims". It was a Brexit rally/march. The clue is in the name, 'Brexit betrayal rally'. How dumb do you have to be to not realise it was a rally/March specifically about Brexit given the name. " We're the not anti-fascists against the organisers of the events new associates? Maybe doesn't suit your narrative? | |||
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"I did go look up your reference to December. A counter-demo to the EDL and chums. Anti-fascist. You are stretching things somewhat to call that a pro-Brexit mob. Those people turn out wherever neo-Nazis turn up, whatever the slogan on their banner. Be it "I Love Brexit" or "I Hate Muslims". It was a Brexit rally/march. The clue is in the name, 'Brexit betrayal rally'. How dumb do you have to be to not realise it was a rally/March specifically about Brexit given the name. " Populated by Robinson and your chums from the neo-Nazi brigade. | |||
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"I did go look up your reference to December. A counter-demo to the EDL and chums. Anti-fascist. You are stretching things somewhat to call that a pro-Brexit mob. Those people turn out wherever neo-Nazis turn up, whatever the slogan on their banner. Be it "I Love Brexit" or "I Hate Muslims". It was a Brexit rally/march. The clue is in the name, 'Brexit betrayal rally'. How dumb do you have to be to not realise it was a rally/March specifically about Brexit given the name. Populated by Robinson and your chums from the neo-Nazi brigade. " Who were well behaved and peaceful. As pointed out earlier it was the thuggish remainers on the counter demo who were arrested for public order offences, assaulting a police officer and carrying offensive weapons. | |||
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" Who were well behaved and peaceful. " Of course. Robinson and his chums are your new best friends in UKIP, aren't they? Model citizens. Just don't look where the money comes from. Some very wealthy individuals on the far right of US and Israeli politics. Never feel like you are being taken for a ride? | |||
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"I did go look up your reference to December. A counter-demo to the EDL and chums. Anti-fascist. You are stretching things somewhat to call that a pro-Brexit mob. Those people turn out wherever neo-Nazis turn up, whatever the slogan on their banner. Be it "I Love Brexit" or "I Hate Muslims". It was a Brexit rally/march. The clue is in the name, 'Brexit betrayal rally'. How dumb do you have to be to not realise it was a rally/March specifically about Brexit given the name. Populated by Robinson and your chums from the neo-Nazi brigade. Who were well behaved and peaceful. As pointed out earlier it was the thuggish remainers on the counter demo who were arrested for public order offences, assaulting a police officer and carrying offensive weapons. " It is a successful technique. Repeat the same nonsense relentlessly until people can't be bothered to continue to refute it as nonsense so it just becomes ingrained as a "fact" despite having no verifiable basis | |||
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"I did go look up your reference to December. A counter-demo to the EDL and chums. Anti-fascist. You are stretching things somewhat to call that a pro-Brexit mob. Those people turn out wherever neo-Nazis turn up, whatever the slogan on their banner. Be it "I Love Brexit" or "I Hate Muslims". It was a Brexit rally/march. The clue is in the name, 'Brexit betrayal rally'. How dumb do you have to be to not realise it was a rally/March specifically about Brexit given the name. Populated by Robinson and your chums from the neo-Nazi brigade. Who were well behaved and peaceful. As pointed out earlier it was the thuggish remainers on the counter demo who were arrested for public order offences, assaulting a police officer and carrying offensive weapons. It is a successful technique. Repeat the same nonsense relentlessly until people can't be bothered to continue to refute it as nonsense so it just becomes ingrained as a "fact" despite having no verifiable basis "Donald J Trump | |||
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"I think that this seems to be quite a generalisation. As much as leavers may dislike it, the racists among the population support (or use for their own ends) Brexit. Those who are members of racist groups appear to be inclined to take violent action. Those who have a very extreme view on any topic are also more likely to take violent action. Their do also seem to be a small number of extreme Brexit supporters. When their is a paradise waiting if only we leave the EU then it's more likely that you will try to force such an outcome. There are, however, relatively few militant europhiles. Remainers are more ambivalent as they are perfectly able to see the negatives that come with EU membership. The desire to remain at all costs simply isn't that extreme even for the most passionate. When you make anything a religion that requires belief and faith and you promise a huge reward for maintaining your position then you create zealots. However, the proportions are still tiny." exactly that tiny but ppl on here still bang on about it tho lol | |||
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"I think that this seems to be quite a generalisation. As much as leavers may dislike it, the racists among the population support (or use for their own ends) Brexit. Those who are members of racist groups appear to be inclined to take violent action. Those who have a very extreme view on any topic are also more likely to take violent action. Their do also seem to be a small number of extreme Brexit supporters. When their is a paradise waiting if only we leave the EU then it's more likely that you will try to force such an outcome. There are, however, relatively few militant europhiles. Remainers are more ambivalent as they are perfectly able to see the negatives that come with EU membership. The desire to remain at all costs simply isn't that extreme even for the most passionate. When you make anything a religion that requires belief and faith and you promise a huge reward for maintaining your position then you create zealots. However, the proportions are still tiny. exactly that tiny but ppl on here still bang on about it tho lol" One death or ra#e threat is too much or is it OK if that person is a politician whose views you don't share? None of it should be acceptable or tolerated by any of us, because when we as some have done make such threats that a line crossed we all should oppose.. | |||
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"I think that this seems to be quite a generalisation. As much as leavers may dislike it, the racists among the population support (or use for their own ends) Brexit. Those who are members of racist groups appear to be inclined to take violent action. Those who have a very extreme view on any topic are also more likely to take violent action. Their do also seem to be a small number of extreme Brexit supporters. When their is a paradise waiting if only we leave the EU then it's more likely that you will try to force such an outcome. There are, however, relatively few militant europhiles. Remainers are more ambivalent as they are perfectly able to see the negatives that come with EU membership. The desire to remain at all costs simply isn't that extreme even for the most passionate. When you make anything a religion that requires belief and faith and you promise a huge reward for maintaining your position then you create zealots. However, the proportions are still tiny. exactly that tiny but ppl on here still bang on about it tho lol" Perhaps they do, but in fairness I have seen most commenters make a specific effort to state that most Brexiteers are not racist but only a proportion are. Conversely, leave supporters do instantly claim victimhood and outrage that they are being pigeon holed. The same with respect to voting demographics be it age or level of formal education. You've posted on here often enough and you do stir the pot on this as much as anyone  | |||
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"I think that this seems to be quite a generalisation. As much as leavers may dislike it, the racists among the population support (or use for their own ends) Brexit. Those who are members of racist groups appear to be inclined to take violent action. Those who have a very extreme view on any topic are also more likely to take violent action. Their do also seem to be a small number of extreme Brexit supporters. When their is a paradise waiting if only we leave the EU then it's more likely that you will try to force such an outcome. There are, however, relatively few militant europhiles. Remainers are more ambivalent as they are perfectly able to see the negatives that come with EU membership. The desire to remain at all costs simply isn't that extreme even for the most passionate. When you make anything a religion that requires belief and faith and you promise a huge reward for maintaining your position then you create zealots. However, the proportions are still tiny. exactly that tiny but ppl on here still bang on about it tho lol Perhaps they do, but in fairness I have seen most commenters make a specific effort to state that most Brexiteers are not racist but only a proportion are. Conversely, leave supporters do instantly claim victimhood and outrage that they are being pigeon holed. The same with respect to voting demographics be it age or level of formal education. You've posted on here often enough and you do stir the pot on this as much as anyone "me stir the pot how verrrry darrrre you lol | |||
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" October - 700,000 anti-Brexit demonstrators march in London - zero arrests. Yesterday - 100 pro-Brexit demonstrators in yellow march in London - four arrests What is it about Brexit that attracts the thuggish element of British society? I remember watching the anti Brexit march on TV and reading in the Spanish press that the numbers were around 200,000 - That’s why I was a little surprised to read that Remain claimed 700,000 had marched - The lower figure seems to have been confirmed by UK press now - But to be honest I’ve seen bigger crowds leave the Bernabéu stadium, so 200,000 seems a little on the high side " | |||
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"People tend to condem (in public at least) those they see as being “different”’to them more than those they have something in common with. However is silence any worse than condemantion with qualifiers. “I condem it but she shouldn’t be suprised”. Or “she brought it upon herself” ? Personally I’d ratjer you say nothing than even give an ounce of justification. As they say when you have a but in a sentence, everything before the buy can be ignored. Worse than condemantion with justification in my mind is whataboutary. Own your views. If this is getting increased airplay, then I think it’s becaise a) it happened in front of the media. It’s a gift horse. And b) it’s starting to look a lot more organised than maybe the Farage/JRM incidences. " Those morons who were chanting and then intimidating Soubry today are the same idiots who were threatening her before Xmas. Theyre led by an unpleasant character who is linked to Tommy Robinson, has previous for islamaphobic postings on various sites and is trying to get crowd funding so he can carry on acting the thug. He's a real charmer | |||
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"I think it’s interesting the reaction to the anna soubrey incident.... it’s the same as people here Those who condemn.... and those who justify by using what about ism..... We know who fall into which camps here......" the soubrey incident isnt any different than wat you see on here ive seen remainers on here with no proof whatever call people facists racists little englanders all with out any proof. its words nothing more. personaly i dnt give a flying fuck wat people call me.as long as my freinds and family know who i am i dont give a flying fuck if domeone i have never met wants to hurl abuse at me it makes me laugh and think what a bell end if anything.and as for anna soubrey nazi no probably not unpleasant human being definatley.dont feel sorry for her she can more thsn hold her own. shes vile | |||
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"the last i heard it not illegal to call someone a nazi in the uk.the woman has said just as bad on nees shows so no i dont feel sorry for her as far as i can see no laws were broken. was it morally wrong yea probably.against the law no im pretty sure its not" Threatening behaviour is illegal.... | |||
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"some remainers on here lol more like most and do i really care what a random person on here thinks of me nah not really sticks and stones and all that feel free to call me nazi bigot racist and anything else u can think of sweetheart as if i care what ppl i dont know think of me lol x" So, to be clear, their actions were acceptable in your view? You can have your opinion, but you’ve skirted around saying this. | |||
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"if they aint broken the law then i got no problem at all and as far as i know no ones been nicked. and hey shes not averse to using the same language herself.but seems as i dont have yhe same veiw as you i must be in the wrong lol anyway gorgeous my lunchbteaks over so off to work i go x" for someone who doesn’t cares you seem quite sensitive *hun* u ok ?
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"the last i heard it not illegal to call someone a nazi in the uk.the woman has said just as bad on nees shows so no i dont feel sorry for her as far as i can see no laws were broken. was it morally wrong yea probably.against the law no im pretty sure its not" See when you say she said just as bad your justifying or excusing the behavior of some, then it's a slippery slope and an Mp is assaulted and as we have seen murdered.. She has to the best of my knowledge called anyone else a traitor or a nazi.. | |||
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"the last i heard it not illegal to call someone a nazi in the uk.the woman has said just as bad on nees shows so no i dont feel sorry for her as far as i can see no laws were broken. was it morally wrong yea probably.against the law no im pretty sure its not See when you say she said just as bad your justifying or excusing the behavior of some, then it's a slippery slope and an Mp is assaulted and as we have seen murdered.. She has to the best of my knowledge called anyone else a traitor or a nazi.. " Not called.. | |||
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"saw her on sky bout month and half ago calling leavers uneducated and little englanders so its ok for her to resort to name calling but no one can call her anything. its words for gods sake if she cant take a bit of abuse shes in the wrong job.and again no ones been arrested." Tried looking this up but can't find anything, you have a link reporting it ? | |||
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"before anyone jumps down my throat of being a leaver thug i dont condone anything that happened to anna southbry but watching her on tv just now talking about democracy seems it only is for the few.If she truly believed in democracy she would have stood down when her own constituency voted to leave, how is that democratic when you are not serving the wishes of the people who voted you in?Im not suprised the people are angry." Your argument holds no water. The referendum was in 2016. She was re-elected in 2017. By your logic, she ought to have been voted out. She wasn't. | |||
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"before anyone jumps down my throat of being a leaver thug i dont condone anything that happened to anna southbry but watching her on tv just now talking about democracy seems it only is for the few.If she truly believed in democracy she would have stood down when her own constituency voted to leave, how is that democratic when you are not serving the wishes of the people who voted you in?Im not suprised the people are angry. Your argument holds no water. The referendum was in 2016. She was re-elected in 2017. By your logic, she ought to have been voted out. She wasn't. " Damn facts | |||
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"I think you will find she voted to trigger artical 50 to leave which is what her voters wanted and now wants to stay." Where is your evidence she has changed her mind on Article 50? By your logic, Rees Mogg ought to step down too - his constituents voted to remain, yet he was re-elected too. | |||
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"I think you will find she voted to trigger artical 50 to leave which is what her voters wanted and now wants to stay. Where is your evidence she has changed her mind on Article 50? By your logic, Rees Mogg ought to step down too - his constituents voted to remain, yet he was re-elected too. " Dont let facts get in the way somerset N E voted in 2016 47.9% remain 52.1% leave.Not that hard to google. | |||
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"I think you will find she voted to trigger artical 50 to leave which is what her voters wanted and now wants to stay. Where is your evidence she has changed her mind on Article 50? By your logic, Rees Mogg ought to step down too - his constituents voted to remain, yet he was re-elected too. Dont let facts get in the way somerset N E voted in 2016 47.9% remain 52.1% leave.Not that hard to google." Hanrattys number (whixh I think is where JRM got his number) is an estimate. And his final estimate was 51.6%. He also makes sure it is an estimate. Not a fact. Indeed as there is no confidence interval we don’t know the probability he could be representaing a remain constituency Tl;dr the number isn’t a fact but an estimate. | |||
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"My error. A clear majority of voters in Bath and North East Somerset elected to remain, while those in South Somerset, Sedgemoor and West Somerset backed the Leave campaign. Now, seeing you are a dab hand with google, where is your evidence about Anna Soubry? " Just google her you will find them its not hard. | |||
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"I think it’s interesting the reaction to the anna soubrey incident.... it’s the same as people here Those who condemn.... and those who justify by using what about ism..... We know who fall into which camps here...... you mean like the Asian grooming gangs is it the same ppl who say what about the Catholic Church Fabio ? That is s fair point. You do spend a lot of time on here pointing out the flaws in others though. Anything constructive to add to this debate? What about addressing the thread? a lot of time on here lol says the guy who starts or comments on 50 post a day I pop on here you live on here buddy Well ok I’ll comment on the op well tbf iv not much I can say about 4 arrests there was 6 arrests in my local on Saturday but here ya go it was disgusting and I condem it I actually meant that when you are here you have a tendency to criticize more than contribute with information or a narrative or analysis. Apologies if that wasn't clear. Quite an exaggeration about my posting rate. So you have the same opinion as me then? This particularly statistic is not very relevant. What do you think about the general point that, unfortunately, rather more extreme groups have attached themselves to Brexit than appear to be associated with remain? I don't actually think that this should effect the leave argument but the association is unwelcome. My perception is still that openly expressing racial and religious intolerance has become more acceptable since the referendum. Perhaps hate in general. I don't know if if is actually correlated or coincidental considering global events? What do you think?" labour have had a similar problem with racial and religious intolerance towards Jews for yrs way before brexit u will always get loonies regardless of brexit | |||
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"before anyone jumps down my throat of being a leaver thug i dont condone anything that happened to anna southbry but watching her on tv just now talking about democracy seems it only is for the few.If she truly believed in democracy she would have stood down when her own constituency voted to leave, how is that democratic when you are not serving the wishes of the people who voted you in?Im not suprised the people are angry. Your argument holds no water. The referendum was in 2016. She was re-elected in 2017. By your logic, she ought to have been voted out. She wasn't. " She stood for election on a Conservative party manifesto in the 2017 general election which promised to Leave the EU, leave the customs union and leave the single market. She should accept it and get on with it. | |||
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"Esther McKvey is mp in an constituency that voted remain. Though good old Esther never let principle get in her way. Yes but Esther McVey (along with Jacob Rees Mogg) are following the majority of the country who voted Leave, even if their constituencies voted remain they can say the country as a whole voted Leave on a 52% majority. " I’d argue they are voted to represent their constituentents. However i agree they stood on a tory manifesto. Although as May has failed to deliver this, I think the tories (as a whole) have failed on their manifesto. And WTO definitely does not deliver. Therefore I’m not sure what any tory can do to deliver the manifesto they stood on. At best they need to vote through Mays deal as it could be argued tondeiver special relationships and have agreements on FTA and CUs | |||
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"no i dont have a link i dnt spend my days posting links to stuff u need to get out more mate and dont let this brexit stuff play havoc with ya blodd pressure. wasnt an interview was bout 4 ppl sitting round talking.pretty sure it was sky may of been on bbc all i know it was on after ten as id just finished looking at footy results.unlike others on here brexit isnt my be all and end all." It doesn't affect my blood pressure mate at all
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" October - 700,000 anti-Brexit demonstrators march in London - zero arrests. Yesterday - 100 pro-Brexit demonstrators in yellow march in London - four arrests What is it about Brexit that attracts the thuggish element of British society? As a leave voter I am ashamed to put in the same group as you. You want to be careful you dont bite your tongue you might die of bile poisoning. You have called all those who voted Brexit Thick,thugs and racists. You and your ilk need to suck it up and get a grip. Wondering why the BBC news is called Fake News or is breach of their contract on being impartial. It gets £3.7 billion from the EU. If we come out who will be getting a pay cut at the BBC or will it be passed on to us. Show me where I called all Brexit supporters thick, thugs and racists, please." Really. I think you need to have a look at some of your posts. Or have you a ghost writer ? | |||
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" October - 700,000 anti-Brexit demonstrators march in London - zero arrests. Yesterday - 100 pro-Brexit demonstrators in yellow march in London - four arrests What is it about Brexit that attracts the thuggish element of British society? As a leave voter I am ashamed to put in the same group as you. You want to be careful you dont bite your tongue you might die of bile poisoning. You have called all those who voted Brexit Thick,thugs and racists. You and your ilk need to suck it up and get a grip. Wondering why the BBC news is called Fake News or is breach of their contract on being impartial. It gets £3.7 billion from the EU. If we come out who will be getting a pay cut at the BBC or will it be passed on to us. Same group? 3.7 billion for the BBC? where did you get this figure form? " Just googled how much does the bbc get from the European union. Came up 4 ish Sorry on my mobile so can't paste a link. It does mean the bbc is in breach of contract/ charter though | |||
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"before anyone jumps down my throat of being a leaver thug i dont condone anything that happened to anna southbry but watching her on tv just now talking about democracy seems it only is for the few.If she truly believed in democracy she would have stood down when her own constituency voted to leave, how is that democratic when you are not serving the wishes of the people who voted you in?Im not suprised the people are angry. Your argument holds no water. The referendum was in 2016. She was re-elected in 2017. By your logic, she ought to have been voted out. She wasn't. She stood for election on a Conservative party manifesto in the 2017 general election which promised to Leave the EU, leave the customs union and leave the single market. She should accept it and get on with it. " But she didn't win an overall parliamentary majority, therefore has not got the mandate of the people! | |||
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" October - 700,000 anti-Brexit demonstrators march in London - zero arrests. Yesterday - 100 pro-Brexit demonstrators in yellow march in London - four arrests What is it about Brexit that attracts the thuggish element of British society? As a leave voter I am ashamed to put in the same group as you. You want to be careful you dont bite your tongue you might die of bile poisoning. You have called all those who voted Brexit Thick,thugs and racists. You and your ilk need to suck it up and get a grip. Wondering why the BBC news is called Fake News or is breach of their contract on being impartial. It gets £3.7 billion from the EU. If we come out who will be getting a pay cut at the BBC or will it be passed on to us. Same group? 3.7 billion for the BBC? where did you get this figure form? Just googled how much does the bbc get from the European union. Came up 4 ish Sorry on my mobile so can't paste a link. It does mean the bbc is in breach of contract/ charter though " I can't find this figure: couldn't find much saw a freedom of information request from 2010 that indicated between 2004 and 2010 the BBC received around £2,598,000 I can't imagine billions being correct somehow! | |||
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" October - 700,000 anti-Brexit demonstrators march in London - zero arrests. Yesterday - 100 pro-Brexit demonstrators in yellow march in London - four arrests What is it about Brexit that attracts the thuggish element of British society? As a leave voter I am ashamed to put in the same group as you. You want to be careful you dont bite your tongue you might die of bile poisoning. You have called all those who voted Brexit Thick,thugs and racists. You and your ilk need to suck it up and get a grip. Wondering why the BBC news is called Fake News or is breach of their contract on being impartial. It gets £3.7 billion from the EU. If we come out who will be getting a pay cut at the BBC or will it be passed on to us. Same group? 3.7 billion for the BBC? where did you get this figure form? Just googled how much does the bbc get from the European union. Came up 4 ish Sorry on my mobile so can't paste a link. It does mean the bbc is in breach of contract/ charter though I can't find this figure: couldn't find much saw a freedom of information request from 2010 that indicated between 2004 and 2010 the BBC received around £2,598,000 I can't imagine billions being correct somehow!" I've found your source: Does the BBC receive money from the EU? It already receives £3.7 billion from the licence fee, and taking EU funding unavoidably creates the impression that it is being paid to do the EU's bidding.” ... A BBC spokesman said: “BBC News protects its impartiality by not permitting any external funding, which includes EU grants. Did you actually read what is says? 3.7 Billion from licence fee not the EU! Are you wrong by any chance? | |||
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"I think it’s interesting the reaction to the anna soubrey incident.... it’s the same as people here Those who condemn.... and those who justify by using what about ism..... We know who fall into which camps here...... you mean like the Asian grooming gangs is it the same ppl who say what about the Catholic Church Fabio ? That is s fair point. You do spend a lot of time on here pointing out the flaws in others though. Anything constructive to add to this debate? What about addressing the thread? a lot of time on here lol says the guy who starts or comments on 50 post a day I pop on here you live on here buddy Well ok I’ll comment on the op well tbf iv not much I can say about 4 arrests there was 6 arrests in my local on Saturday but here ya go it was disgusting and I condem it I actually meant that when you are here you have a tendency to criticize more than contribute with information or a narrative or analysis. Apologies if that wasn't clear. Quite an exaggeration about my posting rate. So you have the same opinion as me then? This particularly statistic is not very relevant. What do you think about the general point that, unfortunately, rather more extreme groups have attached themselves to Brexit than appear to be associated with remain? I don't actually think that this should effect the leave argument but the association is unwelcome. My perception is still that openly expressing racial and religious intolerance has become more acceptable since the referendum. Perhaps hate in general. I don't know if if is actually correlated or coincidental considering global events? What do you think? labour have had a similar problem with racial and religious intolerance towards Jews for yrs way before brexit u will always get loonies regardless of brexit There has been. Also for years previously they were strongly supported by working class Jews. We are agreed on there always been a fringe. Are you saying that you have not noticed any change in tone? I don't know your part of the world, but you haven't noticed any change in how people talk? What is now permissible that perhaps wasn't before? Do you know many people from minority groups? yes I know lots of Asian guys when I had my buissness I mixed woth them everyday iv played football been to there weddings and nights out I don’t know any Eastern Europeans tho don’t think iv met one tbh but why have you asked that ? And yr forst point know iv not noticed a change in tone up here at all and I wasn’t expecting to have you were you live ?" Yes. I live in a nice middle class bubble too, but I work with a lot of international colleagues too. Quite a few of them European. How much is perception and how much is real I don't know for sure. Everyone perceives the change although it's, as ever, a very small number of people behaving differently towards "others". It may also be that from a different background you may be more used to a low level of hostility so a small change makes no difference. Not just my experience, but that of a few people. That comes from a specific perspective though. | |||
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"I think it’s interesting the reaction to the anna soubrey incident.... it’s the same as people here Those who condemn.... and those who justify by using what about ism..... We know who fall into which camps here...... you mean like the Asian grooming gangs is it the same ppl who say what about the Catholic Church Fabio ? That is s fair point. You do spend a lot of time on here pointing out the flaws in others though. Anything constructive to add to this debate? What about addressing the thread? a lot of time on here lol says the guy who starts or comments on 50 post a day I pop on here you live on here buddy Well ok I’ll comment on the op well tbf iv not much I can say about 4 arrests there was 6 arrests in my local on Saturday but here ya go it was disgusting and I condem it I actually meant that when you are here you have a tendency to criticize more than contribute with information or a narrative or analysis. Apologies if that wasn't clear. Quite an exaggeration about my posting rate. So you have the same opinion as me then? This particularly statistic is not very relevant. What do you think about the general point that, unfortunately, rather more extreme groups have attached themselves to Brexit than appear to be associated with remain? I don't actually think that this should effect the leave argument but the association is unwelcome. My perception is still that openly expressing racial and religious intolerance has become more acceptable since the referendum. Perhaps hate in general. I don't know if if is actually correlated or coincidental considering global events? What do you think? labour have had a similar problem with racial and religious intolerance towards Jews for yrs way before brexit u will always get loonies regardless of brexit There has been. Also for years previously they were strongly supported by working class Jews. We are agreed on there always been a fringe. Are you saying that you have not noticed any change in tone? I don't know your part of the world, but you haven't noticed any change in how people talk? What is now permissible that perhaps wasn't before? Do you know many people from minority groups? yes I know lots of Asian guys when I had my buissness I mixed woth them everyday iv played football been to there weddings and nights out I don’t know any Eastern Europeans tho don’t think iv met one tbh but why have you asked that ? And yr forst point know iv not noticed a change in tone up here at all and I wasn’t expecting to have you were you live ? Yes. I live in a nice middle class bubble too, but I work with a lot of international colleagues too. Quite a few of them European. How much is perception and how much is real I don't know for sure. Everyone perceives the change although it's, as ever, a very small number of people behaving differently towards "others". It may also be that from a different background you may be more used to a low level of hostility so a small change makes no difference. Not just my experience, but that of a few people. That comes from a specific perspective though." I can’t comment on were you live but only were i live and I can honestly say iv never come across racism but I’m a white British male so that’s not surprising and it’s not like I look for it it’s just that iv never seen it I live in a middle class area but I’m from a council estate but to be fair iv never even heard ppl talking about brexit politics isn’t something you here in a pub up here come down it be a breath of fresh air for you you can relax and have a brexit free weekend lol | |||
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"I think it’s interesting the reaction to the anna soubrey incident.... it’s the same as people here Those who condemn.... and those who justify by using what about ism..... We know who fall into which camps here...... you mean like the Asian grooming gangs is it the same ppl who say what about the Catholic Church Fabio ? That is s fair point. You do spend a lot of time on here pointing out the flaws in others though. Anything constructive to add to this debate? What about addressing the thread? a lot of time on here lol says the guy who starts or comments on 50 post a day I pop on here you live on here buddy Well ok I’ll comment on the op well tbf iv not much I can say about 4 arrests there was 6 arrests in my local on Saturday but here ya go it was disgusting and I condem it I actually meant that when you are here you have a tendency to criticize more than contribute with information or a narrative or analysis. Apologies if that wasn't clear. Quite an exaggeration about my posting rate. So you have the same opinion as me then? This particularly statistic is not very relevant. What do you think about the general point that, unfortunately, rather more extreme groups have attached themselves to Brexit than appear to be associated with remain? I don't actually think that this should effect the leave argument but the association is unwelcome. My perception is still that openly expressing racial and religious intolerance has become more acceptable since the referendum. Perhaps hate in general. I don't know if if is actually correlated or coincidental considering global events? What do you think? labour have had a similar problem with racial and religious intolerance towards Jews for yrs way before brexit u will always get loonies regardless of brexit There has been. Also for years previously they were strongly supported by working class Jews. We are agreed on there always been a fringe. Are you saying that you have not noticed any change in tone? I don't know your part of the world, but you haven't noticed any change in how people talk? What is now permissible that perhaps wasn't before? Do you know many people from minority groups? yes I know lots of Asian guys when I had my buissness I mixed woth them everyday iv played football been to there weddings and nights out I don’t know any Eastern Europeans tho don’t think iv met one tbh but why have you asked that ? And yr forst point know iv not noticed a change in tone up here at all and I wasn’t expecting to have you were you live ? Yes. I live in a nice middle class bubble too, but I work with a lot of international colleagues too. Quite a few of them European. How much is perception and how much is real I don't know for sure. Everyone perceives the change although it's, as ever, a very small number of people behaving differently towards "others". It may also be that from a different background you may be more used to a low level of hostility so a small change makes no difference. Not just my experience, but that of a few people. That comes from a specific perspective though. I can’t comment on were you live but only were i live and I can honestly say iv never come across racism but I’m a white British male so that’s not surprising and it’s not like I look for it it’s just that iv never seen it I live in a middle class area but I’m from a council estate but to be fair iv never even heard ppl talking about brexit politics isn’t something you here in a pub up here come down it be a breath of fresh air for you you can relax and have a brexit free weekend lol " It's not Brexit politics that I'm talking about. It's about the anger and hostility that some, and only some, people feel entitled to express as a consequence of the very clear and very direct anti-immigrant campaign that was run. That is a matter of record. | |||
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"I think it’s interesting the reaction to the anna soubrey incident.... it’s the same as people here Those who condemn.... and those who justify by using what about ism..... We know who fall into which camps here...... you mean like the Asian grooming gangs is it the same ppl who say what about the Catholic Church Fabio ? That is s fair point. You do spend a lot of time on here pointing out the flaws in others though. Anything constructive to add to this debate? What about addressing the thread? a lot of time on here lol says the guy who starts or comments on 50 post a day I pop on here you live on here buddy Well ok I’ll comment on the op well tbf iv not much I can say about 4 arrests there was 6 arrests in my local on Saturday but here ya go it was disgusting and I condem it I actually meant that when you are here you have a tendency to criticize more than contribute with information or a narrative or analysis. Apologies if that wasn't clear. Quite an exaggeration about my posting rate. So you have the same opinion as me then? This particularly statistic is not very relevant. What do you think about the general point that, unfortunately, rather more extreme groups have attached themselves to Brexit than appear to be associated with remain? I don't actually think that this should effect the leave argument but the association is unwelcome. My perception is still that openly expressing racial and religious intolerance has become more acceptable since the referendum. Perhaps hate in general. I don't know if if is actually correlated or coincidental considering global events? What do you think? labour have had a similar problem with racial and religious intolerance towards Jews for yrs way before brexit u will always get loonies regardless of brexit There has been. Also for years previously they were strongly supported by working class Jews. We are agreed on there always been a fringe. Are you saying that you have not noticed any change in tone? I don't know your part of the world, but you haven't noticed any change in how people talk? What is now permissible that perhaps wasn't before? Do you know many people from minority groups? yes I know lots of Asian guys when I had my buissness I mixed woth them everyday iv played football been to there weddings and nights out I don’t know any Eastern Europeans tho don’t think iv met one tbh but why have you asked that ? And yr forst point know iv not noticed a change in tone up here at all and I wasn’t expecting to have you were you live ? Yes. I live in a nice middle class bubble too, but I work with a lot of international colleagues too. Quite a few of them European. How much is perception and how much is real I don't know for sure. Everyone perceives the change although it's, as ever, a very small number of people behaving differently towards "others". It may also be that from a different background you may be more used to a low level of hostility so a small change makes no difference. Not just my experience, but that of a few people. That comes from a specific perspective though. I can’t comment on were you live but only were i live and I can honestly say iv never come across racism but I’m a white British male so that’s not surprising and it’s not like I look for it it’s just that iv never seen it I live in a middle class area but I’m from a council estate but to be fair iv never even heard ppl talking about brexit politics isn’t something you here in a pub up here come down it be a breath of fresh air for you you can relax and have a brexit free weekend lol " Oh - I didn't mean that you personally would be used to low level hostility, I meant those who are from a different religion or nationality living in hardest areas. | |||
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"before anyone jumps down my throat of being a leaver thug i dont condone anything that happened to anna southbry but watching her on tv just now talking about democracy seems it only is for the few.If she truly believed in democracy she would have stood down when her own constituency voted to leave, how is that democratic when you are not serving the wishes of the people who voted you in?Im not suprised the people are angry." Shouldnt they be angry with Rees-Tosspot who's constituents voted REMAIN? It cuts both ways | |||
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"before anyone jumps down my throat of being a leaver thug i dont condone anything that happened to anna southbry but watching her on tv just now talking about democracy seems it only is for the few.If she truly believed in democracy she would have stood down when her own constituency voted to leave, how is that democratic when you are not serving the wishes of the people who voted you in?Im not suprised the people are angry. Shouldnt they be angry with Rees-Tosspot who's constituents voted REMAIN? It cuts both ways" It doesn't cut both ways though. Anna Soubry is going against the majority of the wishes of her constituents who voted Leave, and also against the majority of the country who voted Leave. Rees Mogg may be going against the wishes of his constituents who voted remain, but he is following the majority of the country who voted Leave. | |||
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"before anyone jumps down my throat of being a leaver thug i dont condone anything that happened to anna southbry but watching her on tv just now talking about democracy seems it only is for the few.If she truly believed in democracy she would have stood down when her own constituency voted to leave, how is that democratic when you are not serving the wishes of the people who voted you in?Im not suprised the people are angry. Shouldnt they be angry with Rees-Tosspot who's constituents voted REMAIN? It cuts both ways" JRM constituency voted 52.1% leave 47.9% remain its easy to google. | |||
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"JRM constituency voted 52.1% leave 47.9% remain its easy to google." I just have and everything for North East Somerset which JRM is MP says his constituency voted remain. It's easy to Google. | |||
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"before anyone jumps down my throat of being a leaver thug i dont condone anything that happened to anna southbry but watching her on tv just now talking about democracy seems it only is for the few.If she truly believed in democracy she would have stood down when her own constituency voted to leave, how is that democratic when you are not serving the wishes of the people who voted you in?Im not suprised the people are angry. Shouldnt they be angry with Rees-Tosspot who's constituents voted REMAIN? It cuts both ways It doesn't cut both ways though. Anna Soubry is going against the majority of the wishes of her constituents who voted Leave, and also against the majority of the country who voted Leave. Rees Mogg may be going against the wishes of his constituents who voted remain, but he is following the majority of the country who voted Leave. " You actually wrote that? | |||
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"JRM constituency voted 52.1% leave 47.9% remain its easy to google. I just have and everything for North East Somerset which JRM is MP says his constituency voted remain. It's easy to Google." According to Chris Hanretty of the University of East Anglia, who calculated the Brexit vote by constituency, North East Somerset was 52.1% Leave 47.9% Remain. I notice some people are confusing the constituency with the local authority. | |||
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"before anyone jumps down my throat of being a leaver thug i dont condone anything that happened to anna southbry but watching her on tv just now talking about democracy seems it only is for the few.If she truly believed in democracy she would have stood down when her own constituency voted to leave, how is that democratic when you are not serving the wishes of the people who voted you in?Im not suprised the people are angry. Shouldnt they be angry with Rees-Tosspot who's constituents voted REMAIN? It cuts both ways It doesn't cut both ways though. Anna Soubry is going against the majority of the wishes of her constituents who voted Leave, and also against the majority of the country who voted Leave. Rees Mogg may be going against the wishes of his constituents who voted remain, but he is following the majority of the country who voted Leave. You actually wrote that? " Yes, it sometimes needs spelling out in simple terms, so simpleton remoaners can understand it. | |||
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"speaking of out lovely friends... anyone see the abuse they gave the likes of anna soubrey yet again... as well as kay burley and owen jones.... not the best advert for "the cause"....... Yes, disgusting. However, the likes of Nigel Farage has had to endure intimidation tactics like that for years yet there is little, if any condemnation of from the “outraged” political commentators who are wanking themselves into a frenzy over today’s incidents There was also the recent incident no so long ago where Jacob Rees Moggs family were abused and intimidated. Seems 'some' people on here have very short memories. That his kids witnessed the exchange was condemned pretty much by everyone on the politics forums.. Btw, the police were standing by him so hardly intimidation but that's you I suppose.. " The police were standing by Anna Soubry, so I take it you think she wasn't intimidated either then. | |||
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"JRM constituency voted 52.1% leave 47.9% remain its easy to google. I just have and everything for North East Somerset which JRM is MP says his constituency voted remain. It's easy to Google.According to Chris Hanretty of the University of East Anglia, who calculated the Brexit vote by constituency, North East Somerset was 52.1% Leave 47.9% Remain. I notice some people are confusing the constituency with the local authority." Like i said, that was hanrattys second guess. It was downgraded on his third version although gave the same overall leave position. (Based in reading the twitter feed which JRM started and I suspect is your source). Also worth noting this is still an estimate with no indication of margin of error. Suffice to say JRM can’t KNOW that he is representing his constituents views as that data doesn’t exist. Nor can he say what level of confidence he has that he is. | |||
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"JRM constituency voted 52.1% leave 47.9% remain its easy to google. I just have and everything for North East Somerset which JRM is MP says his constituency voted remain. It's easy to Google.According to Chris Hanretty of the University of East Anglia, who calculated the Brexit vote by constituency, North East Somerset was 52.1% Leave 47.9% Remain. I notice some people are confusing the constituency with the local authority. Like i said, that was hanrattys second guess. It was downgraded on his third version although gave the same overall leave position. (Based in reading the twitter feed which JRM started and I suspect is your source). Also worth noting this is still an estimate with no indication of margin of error. Suffice to say JRM can’t KNOW that he is representing his constituents views as that data doesn’t exist. Nor can he say what level of confidence he has that he is. " It doesn't matter, as Jacob Rees Mogg can say he is following the majority 52% of the country who voted Leave in the referendum. | |||
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"speaking of out lovely friends... anyone see the abuse they gave the likes of anna soubrey yet again... as well as kay burley and owen jones.... not the best advert for "the cause"....... Yes, disgusting. However, the likes of Nigel Farage has had to endure intimidation tactics like that for years yet there is little, if any condemnation of from the “outraged” political commentators who are wanking themselves into a frenzy over today’s incidents There was also the recent incident no so long ago where Jacob Rees Moggs family were abused and intimidated. Seems 'some' people on here have very short memories. That his kids witnessed the exchange was condemned pretty much by everyone on the politics forums.. Btw, the police were standing by him so hardly intimidation but that's you I suppose.. The police were standing by Anna Soubry, so I take it you think she wasn't intimidated either then. " My point initially was that the people calling her a nazi were out of order, the police should have stepped in at that point and they have the power under the public order act to do that.. Note you have made no comment on the behaviour of the people screaming nazi and traitor at her..? Is that because they are linked to ukip etc? I say it again we should all (as it was done across the board condemning the people giving verbal to Mogg in front of his kids) be condemning such behaviors as they should have no place in our politics.. | |||
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"JRM constituency voted 52.1% leave 47.9% remain its easy to google. I just have and everything for North East Somerset which JRM is MP says his constituency voted remain. It's easy to Google.According to Chris Hanretty of the University of East Anglia, who calculated the Brexit vote by constituency, North East Somerset was 52.1% Leave 47.9% Remain. I notice some people are confusing the constituency with the local authority. Like i said, that was hanrattys second guess. It was downgraded on his third version although gave the same overall leave position. (Based in reading the twitter feed which JRM started and I suspect is your source). Also worth noting this is still an estimate with no indication of margin of error. Suffice to say JRM can’t KNOW that he is representing his constituents views as that data doesn’t exist. Nor can he say what level of confidence he has that he is. It doesn't matter, as Jacob Rees Mogg can say he is following the majority 52% of the country who voted Leave in the referendum. " I believe MPs should represent their constituents. Tbh I think they should be seeking to provided a balanced view to reflect the range of interest, rather than their own. | |||
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"Any comment on the lefty thugs fighting today in london op?" OP was about Brexit. Marches were (it seemed) pro brexit. But with both left and right. Although I’ve only just looked at the one vid. | |||
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"Any comment on the lefty thugs fighting today in london op? OP was about Brexit. Marches were (it seemed) pro brexit. But with both left and right. Although I’ve only just looked at the one vid. " people calling for a general election and owen jones and john mcdonell as speakers yeah sure its the far right | |||
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"Any comment on the lefty thugs fighting today in london op?" Sorry, haven't been paying attention to the news this weekend - sex is on the mind
Just looked up the Evening Standard website and the only arrest I can see is that geezer Goddard who was fingered for harassing Soubry outside Parliament.
I'm a little confused now about these yellow vests - is that people from the right, the left, or both?
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"Any comment on the lefty thugs fighting today in london op? Sorry, haven't been paying attention to the news this weekend - sex is on the mind
Just looked up the Evening Standard website and the only arrest I can see is that geezer Goddard who was fingered for harassing Soubry outside Parliament.
I'm a little confused now about these yellow vests - is that people from the right, the left, or both?
"I think he's confusing his lefties with his righties .The far right nazi cock splat Goddard was with the yellow vest muppets and got arrested then released on bail. This far right nazi yellow vest organising muppet has said police are "fair game ". Let's not forget who the violent thugs .. | |||
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"Any comment on the lefty thugs fighting today in london op? Sorry, haven't been paying attention to the news this weekend - sex is on the mind
Just looked up the Evening Standard website and the only arrest I can see is that geezer Goddard who was fingered for harassing Soubry outside Parliament.
I'm a little confused now about these yellow vests - is that people from the right, the left, or both?
I think he's confusing his lefties with his righties .The far right nazi cock splat Goddard was with the yellow vest muppets and got arrested then released on bail.
This far right nazi yellow vest organising muppet has said police are "fair game ".
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