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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Was brexit worth the devide and could they ever be united?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The start of the end for the union.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thought this was about the north/south divide...again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ist hardly a divide im yet to see anyone get shot or stabbed over it its a difference of opinion is all

Not a civil war

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

"Was brexit worth the devide and could they ever be united? "

Won't know for a few years yet .. either way has potential advantages and disadvantages which is why the vote was so close

Stiff upper lip and all that though old chap

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

The con is the real division has gotten further apart with the rich getting richer and the less well off poorer..

Divide and conquer..

Wrapped up in jingoistic often xenophobic rhetoric..

Hey ho..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Plenty o countries are not in it and do fine

We are the 5th richest country in the world

I've listened to radio chat programmes explaining all the major positives and huge financial gain for our country and people being out of the EU

Once your hear all these they totally out weight staying in .

I'm still brexit all the way .

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

It took 40 years for people to get fed up with the current situation … to ask that question when we haven't technically left yet is a little premature perhaps?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Divided by votes and how well each side can manage to protest in the streets.....

The other 95% of the population are trying to get on with it.... There is no real division today.... The vast majority of people just want to crack on.

It's not a civil war for goodness sake

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I don't think it is Brexit that divides Britain - it is inequality. Brexit is just a symptom of that.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I don't think it is Brexit that divides Britain - it is inequality. Brexit is just a symptom of that."

This..

Totally worked in playing the 'look there, it's them who you should blame' tactic..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not much we can do at this point anyway, May is making sure of that, we just hope that when things take a down turn the pro-Brexit voters will be the first to lose their jobs/benefits as it's only fair right?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The start of the end for the union. "
That is right with northern ireland leading the way. I reckon they will be one with ireland.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Scotland should go indie too, anyone pro-Brexit but anti-Scotland going alone just looks like a hypocrit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

"Not much we can do at this point anyway, May is making sure of that, we just hope that when things take a down turn the pro-Brexit voters will be the first to lose their jobs/benefits as it's only fair right? "

WTF??

Remainer colours nailed to the mast there .. and if everything goes well, ship all Remainers out the country over to Europe?

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By *ocks99Man
over a year ago

Reading

"Plenty o countries are not in it and do fine

We are the 5th richest country in the world

I've listened to radio chat programmes explaining all the major positives and huge financial gain for our country and people being out of the EU

Once your hear all these they totally out weight staying in .

I'm still brexit all the way ."

What financial gains? 8% reduction in economy. At best. Even JRM conceded it'll take 50 years to recover!

I'm still waiting for the easy trade deals we were promised, especially as leaving the EU will tear up many of the good ones, and these clowns think they'll get better deals somehow?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

WTF??

Remainer colours nailed to the mast there .. and if everything goes well, ship all Remainers out the country over to Europe?"

If we get that option, yes, we'd take that but let's be honest, when things go tits up, pro-Brexit types will just find something else to blame for the collapse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When was any body of people ever united. There will always be differences in any groups of humans.

There was two of us in the shop this afternoon and I still had to buy two different cakes as neither wanted the others.

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

WTF??

Remainer colours nailed to the mast there .. and if everything goes well, ship all Remainers out the country over to Europe?

If we get that option, yes, we'd take that but let's be honest, when things go tits up, pro-Brexit types will just find something else to blame for the collapse.

Project Fear has clearly worked its magic

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

The fact of the matter is, those that didn't get what they voted for can bleat all they like, that's democracy for you.

People can say what they like about Cameron, hat off to him, being a Remainer he resigned because he felt he could not deliver what the country had voted for. What should have happened is he should have been replaced by a Brexiteer as at least they had the commitment to the "cause".

However, we are where we are, we will get to where we end up, the country will survive and move forward

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Project Fear has clearly worked its magic"

We like to call it common sense actually as there's fact out there beyond the Daily Mail and The Sun.

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By *notherGirlTV/TS
over a year ago

Somewhere

Divided and conquered we shall be.

Ensure my European Citizenship rights are retained, or give me a factual, legally binding replacement that gives me the equal ability to self determination. Then I’ve no problem with anything or anyone.

All that business, trade, regulations stuff will just be piddle about with anyway so that some rich guys gets richer and some rich guys don’t. They all stay rich.

Take my rights and give me your “beliefs” is only going one way. We all know where “beliefs” get you eventually.

Bleating about people fighting for their rights cos it irritates you, threatening insurrection if their rights aren’t taken away, is not exactly open arms is it?

So yeah. Divided we are and it’s getting wider.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ist hardly a divide im yet to see anyone get shot or stabbed over it its a difference of opinion is all

Not a civil war "

MP got shot to death!!

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

Project Fear has clearly worked its magic

We like to call it common sense actually as there's fact out there beyond the Daily Mail and The Sun.

There’s plenty of facts within the Daily Mail and The Sun too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ist hardly a divide im yet to see anyone get shot or stabbed over it its a difference of opinion is all

Not a civil war

MP got shot to death!!"

Random acts dont make it brexits fault

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Unfortunately the majority of people voted for Brexit on the immigration issue and reclaiming our borders?rather than the economic and political issues

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The anti brexit propaganda has been worse than the commies

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By *aurimauriMan
over a year ago

Ramsgate

Weather you were in or out, the people voted. Whatever happens, the country will adjust and move on. My kids will grow and work within whatever happens. We will just change, it's always been this way.

But, my belief is how this has highlighted our politicians, how it has shown that the desire to score points against the other, the desire to add a strap line to their rhetoric. The people, the country come second.

We as a nation need to trust loom at who and why we vote. Our politicians need to change their way of doing politics.

Point scoring helps no one, only gets you a 5min slot on radio 4.

The country, the communities, the people should always come first, always

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sad part is the people who lied about how good it would be to leave were doing so for their own ends and truly expected to lose. Then put in positions to assist leaving and ran away!

When all major party leaders are in agreement to stay and UKIP are wanting to leave, us president BO advised us to stay, you gotta think staying was the better option. Plus...why not have another vote now the people who voted out realise they were lied to ???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Out of interest, can someone remind me when being in Europe protected us from several recessions? Over priced travel? More expensive products? Basically can someone remind me when Europe was a Utopia because it certainly wasn't and this fear mongering is unproven bullshit. The EU has shown so much contempt for the UK, they were offered a chance to be more flexible before the vote was to take the place but they proved and have continued to prove that they're not interested in a democratic union and have completely caused this and the vote by themselves. The ridiculousness of some of Scotland wanting to break away from one union and join another one is amusing too

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By *notherGirlTV/TS
over a year ago

Somewhere

It’s like some public schoolboys watched too many Sissy-Hypnos and hit on the idea to get those Aristocratic Alpha Elites back on top.

Serf-Hypnos.

Putting the people back where they belong.

Throw in simple lines of rhetoric; Control Our Borders! Corrupt EU! Migrant Crisis! Beurocracy! Blah, blah, blah.

Worked well for them didn’t it.

At it again already, petrified we might have another vote!

We are the bloody EU.

What are our rights worth? We don’t live in a free society, we are governed. We, the people, are a Nation as the sum of our rights. So we lessen them? How is that greater? Where’s the balance?

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By *ary_ArgyllMan
over a year ago

Argyll

"Scotland should go indie too, anyone pro-Brexit but anti-Scotland going alone just looks like a hypocrit. "

How do you work that out? About half of SNP members voted to leave the EU.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

"Ist hardly a divide im yet to see anyone get shot or stabbed over it its a difference of opinion is all

Not a civil war "

Realise you don't want a reminder but there was Jo Cox MP. I think there's a real ill sentiment both from the far left and right (see EDL, see reaction to Kensington Council, threats to life on May and Corbyn), that all surround national policy which if pushed could easily turn into localised riots. Once prices go up and unions start co-ordinated strikes, a sense of identity gets easily lost.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ist hardly a divide im yet to see anyone get shot or stabbed over it its a difference of opinion is all

Not a civil war

The far right loons quickly forgot joe cox.Even old farage said "Without a shot fired ".His time will come..

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"It’s like some public schoolboys watched too many Sissy-Hypnos and hit on the idea to get those Aristocratic Alpha Elites back on top.

Serf-Hypnos.

Putting the people back where they belong.

Throw in simple lines of rhetoric; Control Our Borders! Corrupt EU! Migrant Crisis! Beurocracy! Blah, blah, blah.

Worked well for them didn’t it.

At it again already, petrified we might have another vote!

We are the bloody EU.

What are our rights worth? We don’t live in a free society, we are governed. We, the people, are a Nation as the sum of our rights. So we lessen them? How is that greater? Where’s the balance?

The Aristocratic Alpha elites wanted to remain, you don't get much more Aristocratic Alpha elite than David Cameron and George Osborne.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Plenty o countries are not in it and do fine

We are the 5th richest country in the world

I've listened to radio chat programmes explaining all the major positives and huge financial gain for our country and people being out of the EU

Once your hear all these they totally out weight staying in .

I'm still brexit all the way .

What financial gains? 8% reduction in economy. At best. Even JRM conceded it'll take 50 years to recover!

I'm still waiting for the easy trade deals we were promised, especially as leaving the EU will tear up many of the good ones, and these clowns think they'll get better deals somehow?"

You do realise we can't actually sign any new trade deals until we've left the EU. We still haven't left yet because the article 50 leaving process takes 2 years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Plenty o countries are not in it and do fine

We are the 5th richest country in the world

I've listened to radio chat programmes explaining all the major positives and huge financial gain for our country and people being out of the EU

Once your hear all these they totally out weight staying in .

I'm still brexit all the way .

What financial gains? 8% reduction in economy. At best. Even JRM conceded it'll take 50 years to recover!

I'm still waiting for the easy trade deals we were promised, especially as leaving the EU will tear up many of the good ones, and these clowns think they'll get better deals somehow?

You do realise we can't actually sign any new trade deals until we've left the EU. We still haven't left yet because the article 50 leaving process takes 2 years.

Up to 2 years. We could have left already if we’d have agreed the withdtawal agreement.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"The con is the real division has gotten further apart with the rich getting richer and the less well off poorer..

Divide and conquer..

Wrapped up in jingoistic often xenophobic rhetoric..

Hey ho.. "

Have the rich really got richer?

I know it's anecdotal but I always thought of myself as rich. I'm definitely not any richer now and can't see myself getting any richer because of BREXIT either.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Thought this was about the north/south divide...again"

you could argue that it is... if by "north" you mean northern ireland and scotland

anyway, i think if scotland and northern ireland went their own way, the tories wouldn't really mind as it would in theory an inherent advantage in any english parliament...

you could argue "little england for the little englanders".......

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The division that was fomented, largely intitially by the opposing politicians in either camp, was predictable and didn't get reigned in appropriately. There was hatred that was stirred up, which was latterly projected onto foreigners in the UK, who met with severe violence and anger from citizens. It was completely abhorrent and yet the brexit camp that played on peoples' fears stoked it - scare tactics of out of control immigration; worse to come with millions coming if Turkey joined the EU; using posters of refugees fleeing war zones, with the promise of these people coming to you - these were but a selection of images and stories that were told as if fact.

When peoples' most base fears are cultivated against others, it creates a divided state. This is even more so when people have endured tough times, such as from stagnating income levels, benefit freezes for years that in effect cut the income that millions needed, when services are depleted, following cuts to local budgets by the conservative government, shortages of somewhere to live with security of tenure. Such conditions are akin to brainwashing, where essential security issues are degraded, emotional persuasion and targeted emotion at other groups, support the adoption of extreme views, potentially very different to what they'd normally associate with.

Ultimately the conservatives continued aspects of their commonly used technique of divide and conquer, where misdirection of malign intent is shifted inwards, within the population - people divide and shift their negativity towards each other - typically instead of it being directed at those in charge, who have failed in their obligations to deliver government and service levels at suitable levels.

The division was thus orchestrated and magnified by those in charge. It clashed leavers and remainers with each other as well as many against 'others', who were essentially non UK citizens. It is the responsibility of government to heal such division but it won't be achieved by striking an EU deal that parliament votes for. Obviously it would also require motivation to do so and the current no-hopers in May's cabinet (possibly one of the worst governments in living memory) are almost certainly not the type of people who care or who would have the mindset to achieve anything.

The UK certainly will undergo great further great stresses, if it undergoes leaving the EU. It's likely that the economy will suffer, with individuals and regions facing declines, which will likely result in greater potential stress fractures. Implementing great changes also creates potential foundations for others too. We can expect there will be greater friction between the nation states and possibly with the Irish Republic too imo.

I've forgotten what Shag's post was now, other than it was upon division.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"It’s like some public schoolboys watched too many Sissy-Hypnos and hit on the idea to get those Aristocratic Alpha Elites back on top.

Serf-Hypnos.

Putting the people back where they belong.

Throw in simple lines of rhetoric; Control Our Borders! Corrupt EU! Migrant Crisis! Beurocracy! Blah, blah, blah.

Worked well for them didn’t it.

At it again already, petrified we might have another vote!

We are the bloody EU.

What are our rights worth? We don’t live in a free society, we are governed. We, the people, are a Nation as the sum of our rights. So we lessen them? How is that greater? Where’s the balance?

The Aristocratic Alpha elites wanted to remain, you don't get much more Aristocratic Alpha elite than David Cameron and George Osborne. "

You missed out Mogg, BoJo, Gove and Rabb. Wonder why?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"The con is the real division has gotten further apart with the rich getting richer and the less well off poorer..

Divide and conquer..

Wrapped up in jingoistic often xenophobic rhetoric..

Hey ho..

Have the rich really got richer?

I know it's anecdotal but I always thought of myself as rich. I'm definitely not any richer now and can't see myself getting any richer because of BREXIT either.

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Mate its just the lefties trying to turn brexit into a rich v poor contest instead of stay or leave.sad really.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"The con is the real division has gotten further apart with the rich getting richer and the less well off poorer..

Divide and conquer..

Wrapped up in jingoistic often xenophobic rhetoric..

Hey ho..

Have the rich really got richer?

I know it's anecdotal but I always thought of myself as rich. I'm definitely not any richer now and can't see myself getting any richer because of BREXIT either.

Maybe I should have said the super rich, the higher echelons who have benefited from tax cuts part funded by austerity and cut backs..

The rise in food banks is only one indicator of the effect on those on the lower rungs of the ladder..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"The con is the real division has gotten further apart with the rich getting richer and the less well off poorer..

Divide and conquer..

Wrapped up in jingoistic often xenophobic rhetoric..

Hey ho..

Have the rich really got richer?

I know it's anecdotal but I always thought of myself as rich. I'm definitely not any richer now and can't see myself getting any richer because of BREXIT either.

Mate its just the lefties trying to turn brexit into a rich v poor contest instead of stay or leave.sad really."

Head in the sand is the default setting eh..

Enjoy but when you take it out don't be surprised to see things are not the reality you imagine..

Brexit for some is totally about the rich and the poor and further dividing that gap, for others it's more insidious..

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By *ocks99Man
over a year ago

Reading

WTF??

Remainer colours nailed to the mast there .. and if everything goes well, ship all Remainers out the country over to Europe?

If we get that option, yes, we'd take that but let's be honest, when things go tits up, pro-Brexit types will just find something else to blame for the collapse.

Project Fear has clearly worked its magic"

Prefer that to project Ostrich of the brexiteers

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By *ocks99Man
over a year ago

Reading

"Plenty o countries are not in it and do fine

We are the 5th richest country in the world

I've listened to radio chat programmes explaining all the major positives and huge financial gain for our country and people being out of the EU

Once your hear all these they totally out weight staying in .

I'm still brexit all the way .

What financial gains? 8% reduction in economy. At best. Even JRM conceded it'll take 50 years to recover!

I'm still waiting for the easy trade deals we were promised, especially as leaving the EU will tear up many of the good ones, and these clowns think they'll get better deals somehow?

You do realise we can't actually sign any new trade deals until we've left the EU. We still haven't left yet because the article 50 leaving process takes 2 years.

we were also promised no economic issues, believe that ant there's no hope for you. A few of the other promises leave made:

https://www.voteleavewatch.org.uk/leave_campaigners_try_to_drop_their_false_promises

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mate its just the lefties trying to turn brexit into a rich v poor contest instead of stay or leave.sad really."

Your name has Costa in it, I assume the one in Spain, what do you think is going to happen to travel costs there, and how out of luck the villa owners will be, or how British citizens living out there will lose their emigration status?

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

"It’s like some public schoolboys watched too many Sissy-Hypnos and hit on the idea to get those Aristocratic Alpha Elites back on top.

Serf-Hypnos.

Putting the people back where they belong.

Throw in simple lines of rhetoric; Control Our Borders! Corrupt EU! Migrant Crisis! Beurocracy! Blah, blah, blah.

Worked well for them didn’t it.

At it again already, petrified we might have another vote!

We are the bloody EU.

What are our rights worth? We don’t live in a free society, we are governed. We, the people, are a Nation as the sum of our rights. So we lessen them? How is that greater? Where’s the balance?

The Aristocratic Alpha elites wanted to remain, you don't get much more Aristocratic Alpha elite than David Cameron and George Osborne. "
spat their dummies out and ran away

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Plenty o countries are not in it and do fine

We are the 5th richest country in the world

I've listened to radio chat programmes explaining all the major positives and huge financial gain for our country and people being out of the EU

Once your hear all these they totally out weight staying in .

I'm still brexit all the way .

What financial gains? 8% reduction in economy. At best. Even JRM conceded it'll take 50 years to recover!

I'm still waiting for the easy trade deals we were promised, especially as leaving the EU will tear up many of the good ones, and these clowns think they'll get better deals somehow?

You do realise we can't actually sign any new trade deals until we've left the EU. We still haven't left yet because the article 50 leaving process takes 2 years.

we were also promised no economic issues, believe that ant there's no hope for you. A few of the other promises leave made:

https://www.voteleavewatch.org.uk/leave_campaigners_try_to_drop_their_false_promises

Interesting site.

On another thread where someone was saying that the government "should deliver Brexit" I pointed out that it they couldn't deliver the impossible. What if we had a referendum to cut taxes and double spending then demanded that the government delivered.

It seems that was what was promised by Brexit. Imagine if we spent the money "saved" from being sent to the EU 20 times? We'd have everything we want

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Was brexit worth the devide and could they ever be united? "

To some people anything was worth Brexit. Even being poorer and less influential in the world.

The divide is generational too. The young already see the baby boomer generation with unearned property wealth and fat pensions taken at 65 having beneficial from 40 years of peace and economic growth telling them that they're snowflakes and should go and live in the 1950s because it was lovely back then

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Was brexit worth the devide and could they ever be united?

To some people anything was worth Brexit. Even being poorer and less influential in the world.

40 years of economic growth??? It's funny how remoaners try to rewrite history to suit their pro EU agenda. We never had 40 years of economic growth in the EU, did you forget about the recessions (plural) we had over the last 40 years, are are you deliberately out to tell lies and spread bullshit here.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Plenty o countries are not in it and do fine

We are the 5th richest country in the world

I've listened to radio chat programmes explaining all the major positives and huge financial gain for our country and people being out of the EU

Once your hear all these they totally out weight staying in .

I'm still brexit all the way .

What financial gains? 8% reduction in economy. At best. Even JRM conceded it'll take 50 years to recover!

I'm still waiting for the easy trade deals we were promised, especially as leaving the EU will tear up many of the good ones, and these clowns think they'll get better deals somehow?

You do realise we can't actually sign any new trade deals until we've left the EU. We still haven't left yet because the article 50 leaving process takes 2 years.

we were also promised no economic issues, believe that ant there's no hope for you. A few of the other promises leave made:

https://www.voteleavewatch.org.uk/leave_campaigners_try_to_drop_their_false_promises

What about the things remain said would happen if the country voted Leave then. A 'deep and immediate recession', a drop in house prices, 500,000 job losses, and plagues of locusts sweeping over the land, blah, blah, blah, and all other manner of bullshit, none of which happened. If you believed all that then there's no hope for you.

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By *notherGirlTV/TS
over a year ago

Somewhere

"What about the things remain said would happen if the country voted Leave then. A 'deep and immediate recession', a drop in house prices, 500,000 job losses, and plagues of locusts sweeping over the land, blah, blah, blah, and all other manner of bullshit, none of which happened. If you believed all that then there's no hope for you. "

If anyone “believes” anything pushed out through this sorry mess and acts solely upon those “beliefs” ... can’t be much hope for anything.

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. Take rights away from people then don’t be shocked that they do what they can to retain them. You do sometimes need the rights you have.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Was brexit worth the devide and could they ever be united?

To some people anything was worth Brexit. Even being poorer and less influential in the world.

Hilarious.

Are you saying that leaving the EU will prevent recessions?

I certainly didn't even imply that being in the EU would.

The thing about the capitalist economy as it currently runs is that we lurch from boom to bust in a repeating cycle. However, if your internal market is large then you can better ride out the booms because you have far more people to sell to.

Please give me your alternative facts

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Plenty o countries are not in it and do fine

We are the 5th richest country in the world

I've listened to radio chat programmes explaining all the major positives and huge financial gain for our country and people being out of the EU

Once your hear all these they totally out weight staying in .

I'm still brexit all the way .

What financial gains? 8% reduction in economy. At best. Even JRM conceded it'll take 50 years to recover!

I'm still waiting for the easy trade deals we were promised, especially as leaving the EU will tear up many of the good ones, and these clowns think they'll get better deals somehow?

You do realise we can't actually sign any new trade deals until we've left the EU. We still haven't left yet because the article 50 leaving process takes 2 years.

we were also promised no economic issues, believe that ant there's no hope for you. A few of the other promises leave made:

https://www.voteleavewatch.org.uk/leave_campaigners_try_to_drop_their_false_promises

The vote, very happily for us, coincided with a coordinated global boom. Go and look it up.

We managed to keep growing but we did far worse than we would have done without the referendum.

Go and find some graphs and tables and words and try to understand them

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

"The fact of the matter is, those that didn't get what they voted for can bleat all they like, that's democracy for you.

However, we are where we are, we will get to where we end up, the country will survive and move forward"

I dont want to live in a country where our aspiration is simply to survive. I want unicorns, I want sunlit uplands, I want my cake and eat it too....that's what I was promised. I wasnt promised that id simply survive

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

"The anti brexit propaganda has been worse than the commies"

Top analysis. Should I blame the commies when everything goes tits up?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

WTF??

Remainer colours nailed to the mast there .. and if everything goes well, ship all Remainers out the country over to Europe?"

That's the way they are I’m afraid, bitter and twisted because they lost a referendum.

Thing is there is a downturn, it’s happening all over the world, not just here, and not specifically because of BREXIT. Which as you rightly pointed out, hasn’t happened yet. In any case we can expect teething problems to start with when we do leave, the remoaners will think it is Christmas all over again...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

WTF??

Remainer colours nailed to the mast there .. and if everything goes well, ship all Remainers out the country over to Europe?

That's the way they are I’m afraid, bitter and twisted because they lost a referendum.

And you are stable? And advocate of shooting at foreign fishing vessels, immingrant boats and Hanging Gina Miller.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

WTF??

Remainer colours nailed to the mast there .. and if everything goes well, ship all Remainers out the country over to Europe?

That's the way they are I’m afraid, bitter and twisted because they lost a referendum.

And you are stable? And advocate of shooting at foreign fishing vessels, immingrant boats and Hanging Gina Miller."

Hmmm, I must find something else for you to throw at me. I’m getting bored of these ones...

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

WTF??

Remainer colours nailed to the mast there .. and if everything goes well, ship all Remainers out the country over to Europe?

That's the way they are I’m afraid, bitter and twisted because they lost a referendum.

As far as I see, remainers have certainly been disappointed but it's Leavers who remain angry. The most bitter name calling is by leavers about remainers. Look what you write.

UK growth dropped from top of the G7 to bottom immediately after the referendum. Just go and look. Stop denying reality. That put us in a weaker position now that a global downturn has arrived.

You have still failed to list these "teething problems". What will they be? Who will they effect? How long will they last? What will the actual benefit be?

As soon as you actually have to define anything leavers vanish. Vague promises you're all over

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

In the last 12 months, the FTSE 100 index has lost more value than the cumulative contributions of the UK to the EU over 40 years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

WTF??

Remainer colours nailed to the mast there .. and if everything goes well, ship all Remainers out the country over to Europe?

That's the way they are I’m afraid, bitter and twisted because they lost a referendum.

As far as I see, remainers have certainly been disappointed but it's Leavers who remain angry. The most bitter name calling is by leavers about remainers. Look what you write.

UK growth dropped from top of the G7 to bottom immediately after the referendum. Just go and look. Stop denying reality. That put us in a weaker position now that a global downturn has arrived.

You have still failed to list these "teething problems". What will they be? Who will they effect? How long will they last? What will the actual benefit be?

As soon as you actually have to define anything leavers vanish. Vague promises you're all over

Nobody can define anything with any accuracy, BREXIT hasn’t happened yet, and none of us can see into the future. So it is all speculation, but then so is your scaremongering.

There will be teething problems though, that is fact, as when changes are made there always is. I am not about to guess what they will be specifically, remoaners will guess and attempt to convince everyone their guesses are fact. I’m just happy that whatever our fate is, it will be in our hands.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

WTF??

Remainer colours nailed to the mast there .. and if everything goes well, ship all Remainers out the country over to Europe?

That's the way they are I’m afraid, bitter and twisted because they lost a referendum.

And you are stable? And advocate of shooting at foreign fishing vessels, immingrant boats and Hanging Gina Miller.

Hmmm, I must find something else for you to throw at me. I’m getting bored of these ones..."

Not Really, those 3 things show you for what you are...they'd be considered distasteful in nearly all walks of life.

I'm sure you do have more in your locker though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

WTF??

Remainer colours nailed to the mast there .. and if everything goes well, ship all Remainers out the country over to Europe?

That's the way they are I’m afraid, bitter and twisted because they lost a referendum.

As far as I see, remainers have certainly been disappointed but it's Leavers who remain angry. The most bitter name calling is by leavers about remainers. Look what you write.

UK growth dropped from top of the G7 to bottom immediately after the referendum. Just go and look. Stop denying reality. That put us in a weaker position now that a global downturn has arrived.

You have still failed to list these "teething problems". What will they be? Who will they effect? How long will they last? What will the actual benefit be?

As soon as you actually have to define anything leavers vanish. Vague promises you're all over

Nobody can define anything with any accuracy, BREXIT hasn’t happened yet, and none of us can see into the future. So it is all speculation, but then so is your scaremongering.

People have to forecast, surely you can see that...It's not scaremongering!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

WTF??

Remainer colours nailed to the mast there .. and if everything goes well, ship all Remainers out the country over to Europe?

That's the way they are I’m afraid, bitter and twisted because they lost a referendum.

As far as I see, remainers have certainly been disappointed but it's Leavers who remain angry. The most bitter name calling is by leavers about remainers. Look what you write.

UK growth dropped from top of the G7 to bottom immediately after the referendum. Just go and look. Stop denying reality. That put us in a weaker position now that a global downturn has arrived.

You have still failed to list these "teething problems". What will they be? Who will they effect? How long will they last? What will the actual benefit be?

As soon as you actually have to define anything leavers vanish. Vague promises you're all over

Nobody can define anything with any accuracy, BREXIT hasn’t happened yet, and none of us can see into the future. So it is all speculation, but then so is your scaremongering.

If we go on to WTO terms any WTO country can object to our schedules...Our good old friend New Zealand objected to a draft of ours halfway through last year!

So yeah....in our hands.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

WTF??

Remainer colours nailed to the mast there .. and if everything goes well, ship all Remainers out the country over to Europe?

That's the way they are I’m afraid, bitter and twisted because they lost a referendum.

As far as I see, remainers have certainly been disappointed but it's Leavers who remain angry. The most bitter name calling is by leavers about remainers. Look what you write.

UK growth dropped from top of the G7 to bottom immediately after the referendum. Just go and look. Stop denying reality. That put us in a weaker position now that a global downturn has arrived.

You have still failed to list these "teething problems". What will they be? Who will they effect? How long will they last? What will the actual benefit be?

As soon as you actually have to define anything leavers vanish. Vague promises you're all over

Nobody can define anything with any accuracy, BREXIT hasn’t happened yet, and none of us can see into the future. So it is all speculation, but then so is your scaremongering.

All this post does is show your lack of understanding of the situation.

The Daily Mail and the Express promote this idea of uncertainty, we don’t know what will happen.

What they are twisting is, we know it will be bad for the country, for a very long time. We don’t know exactly how bad and for how long.

The most optimistic economic predictions say that we will be much worse off for at least 5-10 years.

So yeah, you can believe the “we don’t know what will happen line”. But it has a more specific meaning.

Besides why were you all so keen to vote for something when you don’t know the outcome.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

WTF??

Remainer colours nailed to the mast there .. and if everything goes well, ship all Remainers out the country over to Europe?

That's the way they are I’m afraid, bitter and twisted because they lost a referendum.

As far as I see, remainers have certainly been disappointed but it's Leavers who remain angry. The most bitter name calling is by leavers about remainers. Look what you write.

UK growth dropped from top of the G7 to bottom immediately after the referendum. Just go and look. Stop denying reality. That put us in a weaker position now that a global downturn has arrived.

You have still failed to list these "teething problems". What will they be? Who will they effect? How long will they last? What will the actual benefit be?

As soon as you actually have to define anything leavers vanish. Vague promises you're all over

Nobody can define anything with any accuracy, BREXIT hasn’t happened yet, and none of us can see into the future. So it is all speculation, but then so is your scaremongering.

Businesses and the government are spending millions (if not more) speculating (sorry sacemongering) on what may happen and what willl need to be in place to mitigate it.

Id admire your “its in our hands” view of the world... but I’d rather think about what fans need to be turned off than console myself it’s british shit that’s hitting them.

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

All this post does is show your lack of understanding of the situation.

The Daily Mail and the Express promote this idea of uncertainty, we don’t know what will happen.

What they are twisting is, we know it will be bad for the country, for a very long time. We don’t know exactly how bad and for how long.

The most optimistic economic predictions say that we will be much worse off for at least 5-10 years.

So yeah, you can believe the “we don’t know what will happen line”. But it has a more specific meaning.

Besides why were you all so keen to vote for something when you don’t know the outcome. "

In any vote, general election, referendum etc .. nobody knows what the outcome would be … it's a democratic right in this country for people to be offered the choice to be able to express their wishes on whatever is being voted for

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Was brexit worth the devide and could they ever be united?

To some people anything was worth Brexit. Even being poorer and less influential in the world.

Hilarious.

Are you saying that leaving the EU will prevent recessions?

I certainly didn't even imply that being in the EU would.

Please give me your alternative facts

No, you said we had 40 years of economic growth.

That. is. a. lie.

The fact is we had a number of recessions while a member of the EU over the last 40 years.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The fact is we had a number of recessions while a member of the EU over the last 40 years. "

"Taking back control" means no more recessions, then?

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

To accept May's deal could solve the problem: Neither side (remain and leave) would be happy with it but at least reunited in the dissatisfaction, deception and deprivation.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

WTF??

Remainer colours nailed to the mast there .. and if everything goes well, ship all Remainers out the country over to Europe?

That's the way they are I’m afraid, bitter and twisted because they lost a referendum.

And you are stable? And advocate of shooting at foreign fishing vessels, immingrant boats and Hanging Gina Miller.

Hmmm, I must find something else for you to throw at me. I’m getting bored of these ones..."

Not sure how much more bile covered evidence is required thanks..

What is it in your life that you attribute such hatred of Germany and the EU to?

Apologies if I'm wrong but you don't seem to be the type to have travelled much in an attempt at entrepreneurship so doubt it is that which fuels your less than rational outbursts..

Is it that they fit the mould of your bogeyman and are someone to blame for what exactly?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

The fact is we had a number of recessions while a member of the EU over the last 40 years.

"Taking back control" means no more recessions, then?"

I'm pointing out that EasyUK is telling lies when he says we had 40 years of economic growth in the EU.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

The fact is we had a number of recessions while a member of the EU over the last 40 years.

"Taking back control" means no more recessions, then?

I'm pointing out that EasyUK is telling lies when he says we had 40 years of economic growth in the EU. "

The point you are ignoring or trying to distract and avoid is that we have since the time we joined had growth and during the period also had recessions, slumps etc in that growth..

It does not mean that the long term trend in the economy was downward does it?

To use the USA Post ww2 as an example may help you in understanding that within periods of growth there will be given the system we have times when growth pauses..

But the overall economy is still growing..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The fact is we had a number of recessions while a member of the EU over the last 40 years.

"Taking back control" means no more recessions, then?

I'm pointing out that EasyUK is telling lies when he says we had 40 years of economic growth in the EU. "

It's a pretty irrelevant point. Could you name the recessions and the causes?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hurrrah, let’s play semantics.

Did he mean 40 years of growth overall. Or 40 years straight of year on year growth? And is that calendar years or can we pick any 365 day period?

Does having a recession prove the statement wrong given a recession is two quarters of negative growth. We “could” have had two qs of negative offset by two as of positives.

(I know there have been years which have shown negatives eg 2009. I’m just being an arse in line with this thread).

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

The fact is we had a number of recessions while a member of the EU over the last 40 years.

"Taking back control" means no more recessions, then?

I'm pointing out that EasyUK is telling lies when he says we had 40 years of economic growth in the EU. "

Another attempt at a micro-victory. Bless you for trying though

There is no uninterrupted growth anywhere in the world. That is how capitalism tends to work. It doesn't have to bit people are greedy so we het boom and bust.

However, the bigger the market you can sell to without barriers and the larger the diversity of suppliers in that market the better off everyone is.

This means that the troughs in the cycle are evened out.

If you would like to look at a chart (although data is not your friend) you can find our GDP at start and at end compared to every country in the world and the EU.

We have had 40 years of economic growth. 2008 alone has created a genuine reversal.

You are wilfully ignorant which is far worse than just not understanding.

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

WTF??

Remainer colours nailed to the mast there .. and if everything goes well, ship all Remainers out the country over to Europe?

That's the way they are I’m afraid, bitter and twisted because they lost a referendum.

And you are stable? And advocate of shooting at foreign fishing vessels, immingrant boats and Hanging Gina Miller.

Hmmm, I must find something else for you to throw at me. I’m getting bored of these ones..."

But you're not denying saying those things I notice

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

I think this all answers the original exam question ... people will always disagree.

The petty back biting and point scoring is ridiculous.

What no one knows is what would have happened if we weren't in the EU for 40 years any more than anyone knowing what will happen in the next 40 years.

The global trend will always be upward as we exploit our natural resources ... develop technology etc etc

1. We voted leave ... by a narrow margin

2. But sides bent the truth on the campaign

3. We don't know what will happen over the next few years

4. We don't know if we would have been punished somehow by the EU to even think about leaving if We had voted to stay

5. Every divorce ends in a period of difficulty for both parties whilst they rebuild their lives and move on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think this all answers the original exam question ... people will always disagree.

The petty back biting and point scoring is ridiculous.

What no one knows is what would have happened if we weren't in the EU for 40 years any more than anyone knowing what will happen in the next 40 years.

The global trend will always be upward as we exploit our natural resources ... develop technology etc etc

1. We voted leave ... by a narrow margin

2. But sides bent the truth on the campaign

3. We don't know what will happen over the next few years

4. We don't know if we would have been punished somehow by the EU to even think about leaving if We had voted to stay

5. Every divorce ends in a period of difficulty for both parties whilst they rebuild their lives and move on"

Number 3 is not true. We know it will be bad, what we don’t know, is how bad and for how longs

Saying “we don’t know what will happen over the next few years”, is an oversimplification.

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

Do we know that with absolute certainty? Do we know it will be a direct response to leaving?

There is a general global downturn currently ... look what has happened to all the markets

And it has to be a simplification ... We know nothing of the future with absolute certainty!!

My degree isn't in economics so I wouldn't want to attempt to go into detail based on the scaremongering on the press evidence ... or political back biting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think this all answers the original exam question ... people will always disagree.

The petty back biting and point scoring is ridiculous.

What no one knows is what would have happened if we weren't in the EU for 40 years any more than anyone knowing what will happen in the next 40 years.

The global trend will always be upward as we exploit our natural resources ... develop technology etc etc

1. We voted leave ... by a narrow margin

2. But sides bent the truth on the campaign

3. We don't know what will happen over the next few years

4. We don't know if we would have been punished somehow by the EU to even think about leaving if We had voted to stay

5. Every divorce ends in a period of difficulty for both parties whilst they rebuild their lives and move on

Number 3 is not true. We know it will be bad, what we don’t know, is how bad and for how longs

Saying “we don’t know what will happen over the next few years”, is an oversimplification."

We absolutely know what no deal would mean .We know it will be grim and severely disruptive and costly to the economy .Thats the view of brexiters in goverment the remainers think it will be far far worse...

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By *notherGirlTV/TS
over a year ago

Somewhere

"I think this all answers the original exam question ... people will always disagree.

The petty back biting and point scoring is ridiculous.

What no one knows is what would have happened if we weren't in the EU for 40 years any more than anyone knowing what will happen in the next 40 years.

The global trend will always be upward as we exploit our natural resources ... develop technology etc etc

1. We voted leave ... by a narrow margin

2. But sides bent the truth on the campaign

3. We don't know what will happen over the next few years

4. We don't know if we would have been punished somehow by the EU to even think about leaving if We had voted to stay

5. Every divorce ends in a period of difficulty for both parties whilst they rebuild their lives and move on"

Which is sort of my point. Take away the rights of all the people this country, half of which don’t want to lose them. Millions of your countrymen. For something nobody can know.

It’s divisive to take things from people.

As for 4 ... the EU isn’t a separate entity, we are part of it, like an individual is part of a nation. We made most of the rules and input to all of them. We are the EU. It’s right hand if you like.

It’s not a divorce it’s an amputation.

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

"I think this all answers the original exam question ... people will always disagree.

The petty back biting and point scoring is ridiculous.

What no one knows is what would have happened if we weren't in the EU for 40 years any more than anyone knowing what will happen in the next 40 years.

The global trend will always be upward as we exploit our natural resources ... develop technology etc etc

1. We voted leave ... by a narrow margin

2. But sides bent the truth on the campaign

3. We don't know what will happen over the next few years

4. We don't know if we would have been punished somehow by the EU to even think about leaving if We had voted to stay

5. Every divorce ends in a period of difficulty for both parties whilst they rebuild their lives and move on

Which is sort of my point. Take away the rights of all the people this country, half of which don’t want to lose them. Millions of your countrymen. For something nobody can know.

It’s divisive to take things from people.

It’s not a divorce it’s an amputation.

That's democracy

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Do we know that with absolute certainty? Do we know it will be a direct response to leaving?

There is a general global downturn currently ... look what has happened to all the markets

And it has to be a simplification ... We know nothing of the future with absolute certainty!!

My degree isn't in economics so I wouldn't want to attempt to go into detail based on the scaremongering on the press evidence ... or political back biting"

It is just common sense isn’t it?

If you make big changes to your life without planning and preparing for them then those changes will cause problems until you adapt.

Imagine that you decide to leave your job, sell your car and your house and move to the other side of the country without actually planning it - do you think it will go well without looking for a new job, how you will commute and how the local property market is?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"I think this all answers the original exam question ... people will always disagree.

The petty back biting and point scoring is ridiculous.

What no one knows is what would have happened if we weren't in the EU for 40 years any more than anyone knowing what will happen in the next 40 years.

The global trend will always be upward as we exploit our natural resources ... develop technology etc etc

1. We voted leave ... by a narrow margin

2. But sides bent the truth on the campaign

3. We don't know what will happen over the next few years

4. We don't know if we would have been punished somehow by the EU to even think about leaving if We had voted to stay

5. Every divorce ends in a period of difficulty for both parties whilst they rebuild their lives and move on

Which is sort of my point. Take away the rights of all the people this country, half of which don’t want to lose them. Millions of your countrymen. For something nobody can know.

It’s divisive to take things from people.

It’s not a divorce it’s an amputation.

For the record, its Less than half, as only 48% voted remain.

Besides your argument can be turned on its head, in that a fair percentage of the country were taken into the EU in the first place against their will. Millions of your countrymen voted not to join in the first place.

It's divisive to take people into things of which they don't want to be a part.

Point 4. The EU is a separate entity. It is a foreign body which we are now thankfully leaving. We have never been comfortable bedfellows with the EU and it has always been that way. All along we've pushed back at integrating with it, we've opted out of the Schengen and the Euro, and now we've democratically opted out of it altogether.