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"Did you year Chris Grayling? Justifiying rail fare increases. All down to the ability of the rail unions to increase the pay of their members. Well, good on the union! " So who should be paid more nurses or train drivers ? | |||
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"Did you year Chris Grayling? Justifiying rail fare increases. All down to the ability of the rail unions to increase the pay of their members. Well, good on the union! So who should be paid more nurses or train drivers ?" You don't seriously believe a Tory Minister say rail fare rises are because they caved into the demands of th union? | |||
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"Did you year Chris Grayling? Justifiying rail fare increases. All down to the ability of the rail unions to increase the pay of their members. Well, good on the union! So who should be paid more nurses or train drivers ? You don't seriously believe a Tory Minister say rail fare rises are because they caved into the demands of th union? " Was the question too difficult ? | |||
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"Did you year Chris Grayling? Justifiying rail fare increases. All down to the ability of the rail unions to increase the pay of their members. Well, good on the union! So who should be paid more nurses or train drivers ? You don't seriously believe a Tory Minister say rail fare rises are because they caved into the demands of th union? Was the question too difficult ?" You want to evaluate the relative worth of a nurse versus the relative worth of a train driver? Who mentioned drivers? Grayling mentioned railway unions, not drivers. Why bring nurses into it? Their salary doesn't affect rail fares. | |||
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"Did you year Chris Grayling? Justifiying rail fare increases. All down to the ability of the rail unions to increase the pay of their members. Well, good on the union! So who should be paid more nurses or train drivers ? You don't seriously believe a Tory Minister say rail fare rises are because they caved into the demands of th union? Was the question too difficult ? You want to evaluate the relative worth of a nurse versus the relative worth of a train driver? Who mentioned drivers? Grayling mentioned railway unions, not drivers. Why bring nurses into it? Their salary doesn't affect rail fares. " Obviously yes it was too difficult  | |||
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"Did you year Chris Grayling? Justifiying rail fare increases. All down to the ability of the rail unions to increase the pay of their members. Well, good on the union! So who should be paid more nurses or train drivers ?" a) you are comparing apples to oranges since one are public employees and one are now private employees, since remember it was the government who made the railway companies private.... b) the reason why train drivers are in such a strong position is that those private rail companies under-employ, or deliberately under-train new train drivers, which is why even if train drivers don't need to even go on strike! if they just "work to rule" on their full time contracts (like southern train drivers did), the operators don't have enough drivers to cover all their services! c) the current government know they don't have enough nurses in the NHS, which is why they get them from other EU countries (they can't get them from outside the EU because they would not earn enough under the current work permit relations) d) the government don't even honour the independent pay board recommendations they set up to advise them on nurses pay..... thats why lots of them leave for the us, or canada, or australia, or new zealand, or the middle ease ect ect ect.... | |||
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"I can fly from Bristol to Gran Canaria and back for a fraction of what I can go by train from Bristol to London and back. The pilot of the plane earns twice the salary of the driver of the train. Yet the ticket is half the price. Can you explain that?" Have you forgotten the originaal question ? | |||
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"I can fly from Bristol to Gran Canaria and back for a fraction of what I can go by train from Bristol to London and back. The pilot of the plane earns twice the salary of the driver of the train. Yet the ticket is half the price. Can you explain that? Have you forgotten the originaal question ? " Nurses' pay is a valid topic. Start a thread about it if you think there is an injustice. Rail fares don't go to the NHS, so what's the relevance? Other than to derail the thread. (I'll get my coat) | |||
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"Did you year Chris Grayling? Justifiying rail fare increases. All down to the ability of the rail unions to increase the pay of their members. Well, good on the union! So who should be paid more nurses or train drivers ? a) you are comparing apples to oranges since one are public employees and one are now private employees, since remember it was the government who made the railway companies private.... b) the reason why train drivers are in such a strong position is that those private rail companies under-employ, or deliberately under-train new train drivers, which is why even if train drivers don't need to even go on strike! if they just "work to rule" on their full time contracts (like southern train drivers did), the operators don't have enough drivers to cover all their services! c) the current government know they don't have enough nurses in the NHS, which is why they get them from other EU countries (they can't get them from outside the EU because they would not earn enough under the current work permit relations) d) the government don't even honour the independent pay board recommendations they set up to advise them on nurses pay..... thats why lots of them leave for the us, or canada, or australia, or new zealand, or the middle ease ect ect ect...." Tube drivers earn even more and are public employees whereas london bus drivers are mostly private employees yet earn half so that blows your public/private reason out the water. | |||
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"Did you year Chris Grayling? Justifiying rail fare increases. All down to the ability of the rail unions to increase the pay of their members. Well, good on the union! So who should be paid more nurses or train drivers ? a) you are comparing apples to oranges since one are public employees and one are now private employees, since remember it was the government who made the railway companies private.... b) the reason why train drivers are in such a strong position is that those private rail companies under-employ, or deliberately under-train new train drivers, which is why even if train drivers don't need to even go on strike! if they just "work to rule" on their full time contracts (like southern train drivers did), the operators don't have enough drivers to cover all their services! c) the current government know they don't have enough nurses in the NHS, which is why they get them from other EU countries (they can't get them from outside the EU because they would not earn enough under the current work permit relations) d) the government don't even honour the independent pay board recommendations they set up to advise them on nurses pay..... thats why lots of them leave for the us, or canada, or australia, or new zealand, or the middle ease ect ect ect.... Tube drivers earn even more and are public employees whereas london bus drivers are mostly private employees yet earn half so that blows your public/private reason out the water. " a) actually not quite.... in london bus services are "contracted" where they have to run certain services at a minimum level, what they then do after that if up to them.... b) again... there are enough Tube drivers to run the services with having to rely on them doing overtime.... that is not the case of the national rail network! the run the services they timetable they rely on a certain amount of overtime being done! that why aslef have such a strong hand... even if they just worked the contracted hours, they don't have enough people to run all the services.... thats what has happened on the southern frnachise, it happened on thameslink, it has happened on the great western franchise!! (close to home!) | |||
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"Did you year Chris Grayling? Justifiying rail fare increases. All down to the ability of the rail unions to increase the pay of their members. Well, good on the union! So who should be paid more nurses or train drivers ? a) you are comparing apples to oranges since one are public employees and one are now private employees, since remember it was the government who made the railway companies private.... b) the reason why train drivers are in such a strong position is that those private rail companies under-employ, or deliberately under-train new train drivers, which is why even if train drivers don't need to even go on strike! if they just "work to rule" on their full time contracts (like southern train drivers did), the operators don't have enough drivers to cover all their services! c) the current government know they don't have enough nurses in the NHS, which is why they get them from other EU countries (they can't get them from outside the EU because they would not earn enough under the current work permit relations) d) the government don't even honour the independent pay board recommendations they set up to advise them on nurses pay..... thats why lots of them leave for the us, or canada, or australia, or new zealand, or the middle ease ect ect ect.... Tube drivers earn even more and are public employees whereas london bus drivers are mostly private employees yet earn half so that blows your public/private reason out the water. a) actually not quite.... in london bus services are "contracted" where they have to run certain services at a minimum level, what they then do after that if up to them.... b) again... there are enough Tube drivers to run the services with having to rely on them doing overtime.... that is not the case of the national rail network! the run the services they timetable they rely on a certain amount of overtime being done! that why aslef have such a strong hand... even if they just worked the contracted hours, they don't have enough people to run all the services.... thats what has happened on the southern frnachise, it happened on thameslink, it has happened on the great western franchise!! (close to home!)" Tube drivers earn a lot more than train drivers | |||
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"I can fly from Bristol to Gran Canaria and back for a fraction of what I can go by train from Bristol to London and back. The pilot of the plane earns twice the salary of the driver of the train. Yet the ticket is half the price. Can you explain that?" I know two train drivers that are on c£77k per annum. Fabio is correct on the fact that drivers are in short supply. Some drivers even "moonlight" for other companies to further boost their wages. The simple fact is that if workers want an inflation equal pay rise, it has to be paid for somehow. | |||
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"Did you year Chris Grayling? Justifiying rail fare increases. All down to the ability of the rail unions to increase the pay of their members. Well, good on the union! So who should be paid more nurses or train drivers ?" Nurses should be paid more than train drivers. Nurses should be paid more than bankers. What is the relevance of this question? | |||
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"I can fly from Bristol to Gran Canaria and back for a fraction of what I can go by train from Bristol to London and back. The pilot of the plane earns twice the salary of the driver of the train. Yet the ticket is half the price. Can you explain that? Have you forgotten the originaal question ? " If you need to catch a train then train drivers. If you are in hospital then nurses That answers your question! | |||
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