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"Yeah the Tories are so confident that people will still vote for them that they openly fuck over everyone and act like a gang of bond villains." And the sad thing is, with Labour being as ineffective as it currently is, they're probably right. I see a lot of posters on here saying how awful the Tories are and lists of exaggerated claims of their motivation and terrible deeds. To be frank, I find it no more convincing than the sort of crap the BREXITERS come out with about the "EU dictatorship" and their evil intent. What I don't see in either case is a good, convincing, clear plan on how things can be made better. From Labour I don't want to hear why I shouldn't vote Tory (currently I can figure that for myself). What I want to hear is good reasons why I should vote Labour. As it stands now I'm simply unconvinced that a party that has as its main slogan a promise to only govern for the many, not for all, has the solutions to the problems this country faces. | |||
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"Yeah the Tories are so confident that people will still vote for them that they openly fuck over everyone and act like a gang of bond villains. And the sad thing is, with Labour being as ineffective as it currently is, they're probably right. I see a lot of posters on here saying how awful the Tories are and lists of exaggerated claims of their motivation and terrible deeds. To be frank, I find it no more convincing than the sort of crap the BREXITERS come out with about the "EU dictatorship" and their evil intent. What I don't see in either case is a good, convincing, clear plan on how things can be made better. From Labour I don't want to hear why I shouldn't vote Tory (currently I can figure that for myself). What I want to hear is good reasons why I should vote Labour. As it stands now I'm simply unconvinced that a party that has as its main slogan a promise to only govern for the many, not for all, has the solutions to the problems this country faces. " Yeah Labour need a clear, decent plan. | |||
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"Yeah the Tories are so confident that people will still vote for them that they openly fuck over everyone and act like a gang of bond villains. And the sad thing is, with Labour being as ineffective as it currently is, they're probably right. I see a lot of posters on here saying how awful the Tories are and lists of exaggerated claims of their motivation and terrible deeds. To be frank, I find it no more convincing than the sort of crap the BREXITERS come out with about the "EU dictatorship" and their evil intent. What I don't see in either case is a good, convincing, clear plan on how things can be made better. From Labour I don't want to hear why I shouldn't vote Tory (currently I can figure that for myself). What I want to hear is good reasons why I should vote Labour. As it stands now I'm simply unconvinced that a party that has as its main slogan a promise to only govern for the many, not for all, has the solutions to the problems this country faces. " I do actually agree. No real alternative | |||
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"Al Capone? He was a fucking amateur compared to the shitabag tories! " We have been so blindsided by credit we are taking the eye off them while they destroy the country. Brexit as well as being very damaging to the country is a good destruction from wreaking havoc on the welfare system.NHS and general welfare. Yes there are people who fake advantage but far more genuine users of the system are suffering | |||
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"Yeah the Tories are so confident that people will still vote for them that they openly fuck over everyone and act like a gang of bond villains. And the sad thing is, with Labour being as ineffective as it currently is, they're probably right. I see a lot of posters on here saying how awful the Tories are and lists of exaggerated claims of their motivation and terrible deeds. To be frank, I find it no more convincing than the sort of crap the BREXITERS come out with about the "EU dictatorship" and their evil intent. What I don't see in either case is a good, convincing, clear plan on how things can be made better. From Labour I don't want to hear why I shouldn't vote Tory (currently I can figure that for myself). What I want to hear is good reasons why I should vote Labour. As it stands now I'm simply unconvinced that a party that has as its main slogan a promise to only govern for the many, not for all, has the solutions to the problems this country faces. I do actually agree. No real alternative" right now I will vote anyone but UKIP or Tory though lost faith in Labour a long time ago | |||
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"One problem no viable opposition" Agreed. Rock and a hard place comes to mind. | |||
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"Yeah the Tories are so confident that people will still vote for them that they openly fuck over everyone and act like a gang of bond villains. And the sad thing is, with Labour being as ineffective as it currently is, they're probably right. I see a lot of posters on here saying how awful the Tories are and lists of exaggerated claims of their motivation and terrible deeds. To be frank, I find it no more convincing than the sort of crap the BREXITERS come out with about the "EU dictatorship" and their evil intent. What I don't see in either case is a good, convincing, clear plan on how things can be made better. From Labour I don't want to hear why I shouldn't vote Tory (currently I can figure that for myself). What I want to hear is good reasons why I should vote Labour. As it stands now I'm simply unconvinced that a party that has as its main slogan a promise to only govern for the many, not for all, has the solutions to the problems this country faces. I do actually agree. No real alternative" What ever happened to the Lib Dems? Do they even exist as a party anymore? -Matt | |||
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"Yeah the Tories are so confident that people will still vote for them that they openly fuck over everyone and act like a gang of bond villains. And the sad thing is, with Labour being as ineffective as it currently is, they're probably right. I see a lot of posters on here saying how awful the Tories are and lists of exaggerated claims of their motivation and terrible deeds. To be frank, I find it no more convincing than the sort of crap the BREXITERS come out with about the "EU dictatorship" and their evil intent. What I don't see in either case is a good, convincing, clear plan on how things can be made better. From Labour I don't want to hear why I shouldn't vote Tory (currently I can figure that for myself). What I want to hear is good reasons why I should vote Labour. As it stands now I'm simply unconvinced that a party that has as its main slogan a promise to only govern for the many, not for all, has the solutions to the problems this country faces. I do actually agree. No real alternative What ever happened to the Lib Dems? Do they even exist as a party anymore? -Matt" Nick clegg did some serious damage. If he's clearly out of the party then possibly. But not if the possibility he returns. I dont think he appreciates what he did either | |||
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"Who says there is no clear Labour plan? Would that be Rupert Murdoch (owner of News International), Richard Desmond (who was the owner of the Express), Viscount Rothermere (owner of of the Mail) and the two Barclay Brothers (owners of the Telegraph), all billionaire ultra right wing unregulated free market supporters who only back Tories (and don't mention his tonyship because like it or not him and his new labour were nothing but tories in disguise). I could continue but what is the point?"  Exactly. The manifesto was crystal clear, but noone could be arsed to read it, preferring to listen the idiots writing for the Express and DM | |||
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"Who says there is no clear Labour plan? Would that be Rupert Murdoch (owner of News International), Richard Desmond (who was the owner of the Express), Viscount Rothermere (owner of of the Mail) and the two Barclay Brothers (owners of the Telegraph), all billionaire ultra right wing unregulated free market supporters who only back Tories (and don't mention his tonyship because like it or not him and his new labour were nothing but tories in disguise). I could continue but what is the point?" The point is that to win the next election Labour has to convince disolutioned Conservatives like me (although I was actually disillusioned long before BREXIT) to vote Labour and, to be brutally frank, Corbyn and current Labour policy isn't doing it. | |||
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"Can someone else point me to the deal labour would expect to negotiate. Not just soundbites about securing better workers rights. " No | |||
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" Nick clegg did some serious damage. If he's clearly out of the party then possibly. But not if the possibility he returns. I dont think he appreciates what he did either" This kind of soundbyte really winds me up and the worst thing about it is that millions also just accept it as being true. When you look at the real time damage that this Govt is doing on a day to day basis to the economy and what May’s predecessor did - just what was it exactly that Nick Clegg did that was so damaging? I will tell you what he did - he had to face up to to the political reality of having to compromise in order to make progress. I just fucking wish some current politicians would be prepared to compromise for the good of the country. | |||
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" Nick clegg did some serious damage. If he's clearly out of the party then possibly. But not if the possibility he returns. I dont think he appreciates what he did either This kind of soundbyte really winds me up and the worst thing about it is that millions also just accept it as being true. When you look at the real time damage that this Govt is doing on a day to day basis to the economy and what May’s predecessor did - just what was it exactly that Nick Clegg did that was so damaging? I will tell you what he did - he had to face up to to the political reality of having to compromise in order to make progress. I just fucking wish some current politicians would be prepared to compromise for the good of the country." Nick Clegg didnt make progress though. He facilitated the tories and was in effect a puppet. A cringeworthy "I'm sorry" speach and living a fantasy. All politicians lie, but he was just plain terrible, gradping at straws just to be deputy pm at any cost. That isnt putting your country's welfare first. Remember the last election, look at the disasterous results they had. Paddy ashdown thought the gallup pole was wrong., it wasn't for good reason!! | |||
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"The point is that to win the next election Labour has to convince disolutioned Conservatives like me (although I was actually disillusioned long before BREXIT) to vote Labour and, to be brutally frank, Corbyn and current Labour policy isn't doing it. " Yep, I believe you. You read it in the Mail/Express/Telegraph/Times so it must be true... I bet that unless you are a multimillionaire or multinational executive/director you can't name a single Labour policy that you do not agree with or a time when JC has not been proven to be on the right side of an issue (when viewed with hindsight). But as you say he is an ineffectual leader of HM's Opposition. Now just remind me of your opinion of the yahoos, their antics on TV in the Commons, the PM's attitude to answering questions, the boorish behaviour of BoJo when he is held to account, JRM's arrogant sneering total disdain and dismissal of any view or concern that does not fit with his agenda. I could continue, but what is the point? If elected PM JC will at least stop making the rich richer at the cost of making the poor and middle classes poorer and attempt to reverse at least some of the damage done to this country over the last 40 years. | |||
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"Nick clegg should have stuck to the liberal values by forming a colition with labour. History would be a lot different now., instead of going with his puny reason for siding with the frikin tories ffs. THAT'S putying tbe liberal party and country first! " Totally agree with you on this. Libs were left of Labour at the time. | |||
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" Nick clegg did some serious damage. If he's clearly out of the party then possibly. But not if the possibility he returns. I dont think he appreciates what he did either This kind of soundbyte really winds me up and the worst thing about it is that millions also just accept it as being true. When you look at the real time damage that this Govt is doing on a day to day basis to the economy and what May’s predecessor did - just what was it exactly that Nick Clegg did that was so damaging? I will tell you what he did - he had to face up to to the political reality of having to compromise in order to make progress. I just fucking wish some current politicians would be prepared to compromise for the good of the country. Nick Clegg didnt make progress though. He facilitated the tories and was in effect a puppet. A cringeworthy "I'm sorry" speach and living a fantasy. All politicians lie, but he was just plain terrible, gradping at straws just to be deputy pm at any cost. That isnt putting your country's welfare first. Remember the last election, look at the disasterous results they had. Paddy ashdown thought the gallup pole was wrong., it wasn't for good reason!! " Actually I'd say that the damage that the LibDems did was allowing the Tories to completely outsource any compassion or sense of decency to a junior coalition partner and steal every positive policy and convince themselves and the public that it was them all along. I am still amazed at the contempt the LibDems have been held in for one policy compromise. Tuition fees. Get a sense of perspective compared to the other two main political parties. The Tory party did what they always did and used fear of Labour to assassinate the LibDem leading to complete polarization because the lesson that was learned was that being reasonable and making compromises and apparently openly and clearly apologising makes you a loser. Here we are. Unfortunately it's the sort of view that you have just expressed that has put you in the situation that you are so angry about  | |||
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"The point is that to win the next election Labour has to convince disolutioned Conservatives like me (although I was actually disillusioned long before BREXIT) to vote Labour and, to be brutally frank, Corbyn and current Labour policy isn't doing it. Yep, I believe you. You read it in the Mail/Express/Telegraph/Times so it must be true... I bet that unless you are a multimillionaire or multinational executive/director you can't name a single Labour policy that you do not agree with or a time when JC has not been proven to be on the right side of an issue (when viewed with hindsight). But as you say he is an ineffectual leader of HM's Opposition. Now just remind me of your opinion of the yahoos, their antics on TV in the Commons, the PM's attitude to answering questions, the boorish behaviour of BoJo when he is held to account, JRM's arrogant sneering total disdain and dismissal of any view or concern that does not fit with his agenda. I could continue, but what is the point? If elected PM JC will at least stop making the rich richer at the cost of making the poor and middle classes poorer and attempt to reverse at least some of the damage done to this country over the last 40 years." Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable and it is high time that Labour activists acknowledged this painful truth. The the most inept, incompetent and hopelessly divided Govt in living memory is still trotting our daily nonsense because the leader of the opposition has failed on almost every occasion given to them to score into an open goal. He just doesn’t have the Right Stuff. Theresa May has the measure of him and she holds no fear of his questioning. Compare her (May) body language when being questioned by Corbyn, compared to when Yvette Cooper questions her. Cooper can and does dismantle May, Corbyn can’t. | |||
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"Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable and it is high time that Labour activists acknowledged this painful truth. The the most inept, incompetent and hopelessly divided Govt in living memory is still trotting our daily nonsense because the leader of the opposition has failed on almost every occasion given to them to score into an open goal. He just doesn’t have the Right Stuff. Theresa May has the measure of him and she holds no fear of his questioning. Compare her (May) body language when being questioned by Corbyn, compared to when Yvette Cooper questions her. Cooper can and does dismantle May, Corbyn can’t." Funny how the Labour politician you name is a blairite on the far right of the party. Could it be she is given an easy ride in the Commons because she is nothing more than a Tory who has been squatting as an MP in my party for the last 20 years normalising the ultra right wing politics of the official Tory party? Just a question. What do you think? | |||
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"Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable and it is high time that Labour activists acknowledged this painful truth. The the most inept, incompetent and hopelessly divided Govt in living memory is still trotting our daily nonsense because the leader of the opposition has failed on almost every occasion given to them to score into an open goal. He just doesn’t have the Right Stuff. Theresa May has the measure of him and she holds no fear of his questioning. Compare her (May) body language when being questioned by Corbyn, compared to when Yvette Cooper questions her. Cooper can and does dismantle May, Corbyn can’t. Funny how the Labour politician you name is a blairite on the far right of the party. Could it be she is given an easy ride in the Commons because she is nothing more than a Tory who has been squatting as an MP in my party for the last 20 years normalising the ultra right wing politics of the official Tory party? Just a question. What do you think? " Yvette Cooper far right?......I think not | |||
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"Clegg famously used the sentence "Putting the country first" when getting into bed with Cameron....I think he actually meant to say "Putting Clegg first" So intent on savouring a smidgen of power he almost single handily pushed the Lib Dems back Thirty years." | |||
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" Nick clegg did some serious damage. If he's clearly out of the party then possibly. But not if the possibility he returns. I dont think he appreciates what he did either This kind of soundbyte really winds me up and the worst thing about it is that millions also just accept it as being true. When you look at the real time damage that this Govt is doing on a day to day basis to the economy and what May’s predecessor did - just what was it exactly that Nick Clegg did that was so damaging? I will tell you what he did - he had to face up to to the political reality of having to compromise in order to make progress. I just fucking wish some current politicians would be prepared to compromise for the good of the country. Nick Clegg didnt make progress though. He facilitated the tories and was in effect a puppet. A cringeworthy "I'm sorry" speach and living a fantasy. All politicians lie, but he was just plain terrible, gradping at straws just to be deputy pm at any cost. That isnt putting your country's welfare first. Remember the last election, look at the disasterous results they had. Paddy ashdown thought the gallup pole was wrong., it wasn't for good reason!! Actually I'd say that the damage that the LibDems did was allowing the Tories to completely outsource any compassion or sense of decency to a junior coalition partner and steal every positive policy and convince themselves and the public that it was them all along. I am still amazed at the contempt the LibDems have been held in for one policy compromise. Tuition fees. Get a sense of perspective compared to the other two main political parties. The Tory party did what they always did and used fear of Labour to assassinate the LibDem leading to complete polarization because the lesson that was learned was that being reasonable and making compromises and apparently openly and clearly apologising makes you a loser. Here we are. Unfortunately it's the sort of view that you have just expressed that has put you in the situation that you are so angry about "His "apology" (an insincere one st that) was from the attitude he could have his cake and eat it. All politicians renage or fall short of election promises Tuition fees isnt the issue, its far more than that! He destroyed and betrayed all the hard work others in the party put into it. How else would you describe the drubbing the LibDems got in the following.e? How do you explain the "condem" label that colition got? | |||
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"Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable and it is high time that Labour activists acknowledged this painful truth. The the most inept, incompetent and hopelessly divided Govt in living memory is still trotting our daily nonsense because the leader of the opposition has failed on almost every occasion given to them to score into an open goal. He just doesn’t have the Right Stuff. Theresa May has the measure of him and she holds no fear of his questioning. Compare her (May) body language when being questioned by Corbyn, compared to when Yvette Cooper questions her. Cooper can and does dismantle May, Corbyn can’t. Funny how the Labour politician you name is a blairite on the far right of the party. Could it be she is given an easy ride in the Commons because she is nothing more than a Tory who has been squatting as an MP in my party for the last 20 years normalising the ultra right wing politics of the official Tory party? Just a question. What do you think? " 1) Far right my arse... 2) How is she giving (or being given) an easy ride? Watch Theresa May's facial expressions every time Yvette Cooper questions her - May knows she is in for a rough time. Compare that to how she bats Corbyn away as if he is nothing more than a mild irritant. It is diabolical that the Prime Minister is more afraid of answering questions from a Labour backbencher than she is of the Leader of the Labour Party. | |||
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" Nick clegg did some serious damage. If he's clearly out of the party then possibly. But not if the possibility he returns. I dont think he appreciates what he did either This kind of soundbyte really winds me up and the worst thing about it is that millions also just accept it as being true. When you look at the real time damage that this Govt is doing on a day to day basis to the economy and what May’s predecessor did - just what was it exactly that Nick Clegg did that was so damaging? I will tell you what he did - he had to face up to to the political reality of having to compromise in order to make progress. I just fucking wish some current politicians would be prepared to compromise for the good of the country. Nick Clegg didnt make progress though. He facilitated the tories and was in effect a puppet. A cringeworthy "I'm sorry" speach and living a fantasy. All politicians lie, but he was just plain terrible, gradping at straws just to be deputy pm at any cost. That isnt putting your country's welfare first. Remember the last election, look at the disasterous results they had. Paddy ashdown thought the gallup pole was wrong., it wasn't for good reason!! Actually I'd say that the damage that the LibDems did was allowing the Tories to completely outsource any compassion or sense of decency to a junior coalition partner and steal every positive policy and convince themselves and the public that it was them all along. I am still amazed at the contempt the LibDems have been held in for one policy compromise. Tuition fees. Get a sense of perspective compared to the other two main political parties. The Tory party did what they always did and used fear of Labour to assassinate the LibDem leading to complete polarization because the lesson that was learned was that being reasonable and making compromises and apparently openly and clearly apologising makes you a loser. Here we are. Unfortunately it's the sort of view that you have just expressed that has put you in the situation that you are so angry about
His "apology" (an insincere one st that) was from the attitude he could have his cake and eat it. All politicians renage or fall short of election promises
Tuition fees isnt the issue, its far more than that!
He destroyed and betrayed all the hard work others in the party put into it. How else would you describe the drubbing the LibDems got in the following.e? How do you explain the "condem" label that colition got?
"What would have made Clegg's apology more sincere? Could you point out what specific events or policies that the LibDems introduced or supported that you object to? What would the consequences have been had the government fallen? Was there anything positive from their period in coalition. Don't write angry. Have a think. | |||
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"What would have made Clegg's apology more sincere? " If he stuck to the core values of what the libdems say they stand for, he wouldn't have been in a position to feel he had to do that " Could you point out what specific events or policies that the LibDems introduced or supported that you object to? " Its his lack of understanding libdem policies. For tuition fees, he promised to reduce the fees, then voted to increase them was one faux pas., not seeing a need to increase social housing was another off the top of my head. But more importantly, have a look at the core values of the libdems, tell me how thats compatible to sitting with the tories considering what they did and what clegg didn't do plus being seen as powerless yet facilitating incompatible tory policies to libdem values " What would the consequences have been had the government fallen? " I don't know but A re-run would have been preferable " Was there anything positive from their period in " Yes, diluting workers rights, and cuts in renewable energy investments " Don't write angry. Have a think. " If you think im writing angry, you should hear what others up here have said | |||
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"Who says there is no clear Labour plan? Would that be Rupert Murdoch (owner of News International), Richard Desmond (who was the owner of the Express), Viscount Rothermere (owner of of the Mail) and the two Barclay Brothers (owners of the Telegraph), all billionaire ultra right wing unregulated free market supporters who only back Tories (and don't mention his tonyship because like it or not him and his new labour were nothing but tories in disguise). I could continue but what is the point? Exactly. The manifesto was crystal clear, but noone could be arsed to read it, preferring to listen the idiots writing for the Express and DM" | |||
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"Can someone else point me to the deal labour would expect to negotiate. Not just soundbites about securing better workers rights. " Its a job for a senior lawyer like Sir Keir Starmer | |||
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"What would have made Clegg's apology more sincere? If he stuck to the core values of what the libdems say they stand for, he wouldn't have been in a position to feel he had to do that Could you point out what specific events or policies that the LibDems introduced or supported that you object to? Its his lack of understanding libdem policies. For tuition fees, he promised to reduce the fees, then voted to increase them was one faux pas., not seeing a need to increase social housing was another off the top of my head. But more importantly, have a look at the core values of the libdems, tell me how thats compatible to sitting with the tories considering what they did and what clegg didn't do plus being seen as powerless yet facilitating incompatible tory policies to libdem values What would the consequences have been had the government fallen? I don't know but A re-run would have been preferable Was there anything positive from their period in Yes, diluting workers rights, and cuts in renewable energy investments Don't write angry. Have a think. If you think im writing angry, you should hear what others up here have said" You remember what was going on at the time don't you? Global economic crisis? That included us. No money to do anything. In fact, haemorrhaging money. They were also junior partners in the coalition. Labour was a disaster zone. Toxic. It turned on itself. It's now the weakest opposition conceivable. Context is important. Actual grown-up politics is about compromises. What are these "core values"? Did anyone benefit from the £10k zero percent tax rate? Was there a banking levy? Was there any benefit to the poorest children when £2.5bn more was found? Did state pensioners benefit from guaranteed rises? What is it you would have liked them to do or not do considering they weren't actually in charge? | |||
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"*Yes, blocking tory machinations in diluting workers rights, and cuts in renewable energy investments is what that should say" Green investment bank with £3.5bn in funding | |||
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"What would have made Clegg's apology more sincere? If he stuck to the core values of what the libdems say they stand for, he wouldn't have been in a position to feel he had to do that Could you point out what specific events or policies that the LibDems introduced or supported that you object to? Its his lack of understanding libdem policies. For tuition fees, he promised to reduce the fees, then voted to increase them was one faux pas., not seeing a need to increase social housing was another off the top of my head. But more importantly, have a look at the core values of the libdems, tell me how thats compatible to sitting with the tories considering what they did and what clegg didn't do plus being seen as powerless yet facilitating incompatible tory policies to libdem values What would the consequences have been had the government fallen? I don't know but A re-run would have been preferable Was there anything positive from their period in Yes, diluting workers rights, and cuts in renewable energy investments Don't write angry. Have a think. If you think im writing angry, you should hear what others up here have said You remember what was going on at the time don't you? Global economic crisis? That included us. No money to do anything. In fact, haemorrhaging money. They were also junior partners in the coalition. Labour was a disaster zone. Toxic. It turned on itself. It's now the weakest opposition conceivable. Context is important. Actual grown-up politics is about compromises. What are these "core values"? Did anyone benefit from the £10k zero percent tax rate? Was there a banking levy? Was there any benefit to the poorest children when £2.5bn more was found? Did state pensioners benefit from guaranteed rises? What is it you would have liked them to do or not do considering they weren't actually in charge?" Its obvious we won't agree on this, but respect your conclusions. I'll just leave it there | |||
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"What would have made Clegg's apology more sincere? If he stuck to the core values of what the libdems say they stand for, he wouldn't have been in a position to feel he had to do that Could you point out what specific events or policies that the LibDems introduced or supported that you object to? Its his lack of understanding libdem policies. For tuition fees, he promised to reduce the fees, then voted to increase them was one faux pas., not seeing a need to increase social housing was another off the top of my head. But more importantly, have a look at the core values of the libdems, tell me how thats compatible to sitting with the tories considering what they did and what clegg didn't do plus being seen as powerless yet facilitating incompatible tory policies to libdem values What would the consequences have been had the government fallen? I don't know but A re-run would have been preferable Was there anything positive from their period in Yes, diluting workers rights, and cuts in renewable energy investments Don't write angry. Have a think. If you think im writing angry, you should hear what others up here have said You remember what was going on at the time don't you? Global economic crisis? That included us. No money to do anything. In fact, haemorrhaging money. They were also junior partners in the coalition. Labour was a disaster zone. Toxic. It turned on itself. It's now the weakest opposition conceivable. Context is important. Actual grown-up politics is about compromises. What are these "core values"? Did anyone benefit from the £10k zero percent tax rate? Was there a banking levy? Was there any benefit to the poorest children when £2.5bn more was found? Did state pensioners benefit from guaranteed rises? What is it you would have liked them to do or not do considering they weren't actually in charge? Its obvious we won't agree on this, but respect your conclusions. I'll just leave it there" Too easy. You haven't even defined what you meant. Instinct and emotion have put us where we are. No centre. No compromise. No good choices. | |||
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