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"Well did he say it? Who gives a fuck the country is in chaos .There are far more important issues. Its useful for the swivel eyed loons on the right to distract from the awful situation we are in I guess. " Exactly....if it was said it should be put to bed quickly so parliament can get on with the real and immediate issue of the day. But no, it will linger and linger. | |||
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"What an insensitive prick! Should have said "stupid cis-woman", does he know nothing of gender?!" | |||
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"Would it have been ok for may to call him a "stupid man"?" Yes. Most men are used to being called stupid by women by the age of 18. | |||
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"Would it have been ok for may to call him a "stupid man"?" Yes, where is the incorrectness ? | |||
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"Would it have been ok for may to call him a "stupid man"?" funny enough julia hartley brewer makes exactly the same point, i don't think we would even gives it a 2nd thought | |||
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"I am guessing that he will not apologise as it doesn't seem to be in his nature. I may be wrong and time will tell. What was interesting was the very immediate response from party sources denying the full phrase, one said it was "Stupid Tories" and the other "Stupid people" in the usual 'Jeremy is a saint' way without taking a more considered and reasoned view. Actually, Jeremy Vine asked Dame Evelyn Glennie, the proundly deaf percussionist who relies on lip reading for communication, without an axe to grind, what was it that was said without putting it in context and she was certain it was as reported. A quick apology would have killed the issue but I feel that this will run and run. " Unlikely that he'll apologise - it's not in his nature. He's currently denying it. Weasaly little toad | |||
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"Would it have been ok for may to call him a "stupid man"? Yes. Most men are used to being called stupid by women by the age of 18." Careful Bob, you'll lose admission to your right on liberal fan clubs "Boys are stupid, throw rocks at them" | |||
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"You will have to forgive me for not being up to speed. I am lying on a sun lounger beside a pool in 23 degrees sunshine, whiling away the time (and last night’s hangover), relying on my €2.90 copy of the Daily Mirror for my news. " Presume thats the only paper you could get , but seriously the beano and dandy are much better | |||
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"What seems stupid is PMQ's is held each and every week. Insults are thrown, questions are not answered, jeers and heckles are made readily. He hurls them often enough so whatever May said should really have been water off a ducks back. Whether he said stupid woman or stupid people, his remark didn't fit the 'pantomime' narrative at the time. There was no need for it. He has 30 years Commons experience, he's worked with trade unions, he is supposed to be a diplomat and has credited himself with aiding the Belfast Agreement. How he managed to lose his cool so steeply, over May, making an easy Christmas jibe makes you wonder how he'd be in negotiation with Junker, Barnier or Tusk with their don't don't give a fuck attitude. " For Corbyn today I think a quote what Leo Varadker said to Sinn Fein in the Irish Parliament yesterday fits very well,..... "it doesn't take much for the balaclava to slip" | |||
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"Would it have been ok for may to call him a "stupid man"?" yea why not if hes stupid and a man hes a stupid man.not rocket science | |||
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"Would it have been ok for may to call him a "stupid man"? yea why not if hes stupid and a man hes a stupid man.not rocket science" So why all the fuss over what he allegedly said? | |||
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"Are people offended she was called stupid or called a woman? I mean, he is at least half right. And she is a bloody difficult woman, too." I am definitely not a Tory voter however the woman took in a job that no one else would do at the time, she has been placed in a difficult situation, the bloody government has constantly made it had for her to get any support if we did that in our workplace we would be fired. No one else has the balls to stand up and take action they should be working together and I admire her commitment to see it through knowing full well her career in politics is over I think the bloody woman has done more than all the men in her party the peers are a waste of tax payers money and it's awful at the way they still behave in a cave man like attitude Corbyn should resign for his obnoxious behaviour | |||
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"Are people offended she was called stupid or called a woman? I mean, he is at least half right. And she is a bloody difficult woman, too. I am definitely not a Tory voter however the woman took in a job that no one else would do at the time, she has been placed in a difficult situation, the bloody government has constantly made it had for her to get any support if we did that in our workplace we would be fired. No one else has the balls to stand up and take action they should be working together and I admire her commitment to see it through knowing full well her career in politics is over I think the bloody woman has done more than all the men in her party the peers are a waste of tax payers money and it's awful at the way they still behave in a cave man like attitude Corbyn should resign for his obnoxious behaviour " very well put. | |||
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"Are people offended she was called stupid or called a woman? I mean, he is at least half right. And she is a bloody difficult woman, too. I am definitely not a Tory voter however the woman took in a job that no one else would do at the time, she has been placed in a difficult situation, the bloody government has constantly made it had for her to get any support if we did that in our workplace we would be fired. No one else has the balls to stand up and take action they should be working together and I admire her commitment to see it through knowing full well her career in politics is over I think the bloody woman has done more than all the men in her party the peers are a waste of tax payers money and it's awful at the way they still behave in a cave man like attitude Corbyn should resign for his obnoxious behaviour " Loving the faux outrage. This is simply a distraction from the business at hand. We are 100 days away from Brexit and the country and our Government are a shambles | |||
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"Would it have been ok for may to call him a "stupid man"? yea why not if hes stupid and a man hes a stupid man.not rocket science So why all the fuss over what he allegedly said?" have no idea why all the fuss.personaly if i call someone stupid its not followed by man or woman its usualy stupid bastard | |||
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"I've actually seen the footage now and yes, he most definitely said it. I can understand why John Bercow has taken the position that it is inconclusive - because Corbyn has denied it and to brandish him a liar is unparliamentary - after all, Corbyn is supposed to be 'right honourable' But having viewed it, it's blatantly obvious. For example, the shape of the mouth is different when making a 'Woo' sound to making a 'pee' sound or a 'ma' sound. Try it for yourself. Look in the mirror and say 'people' slowly, then do the same for 'woman' He definitely said 'Stupid woman'" So, he is trying to get some questions answered in PMQs and Tresemae decides to go on the offensive with a scripted panto routine rather than answer them and Corbyn calls her a stupid woman. It was frustration that drove Corbyn to do it because she had no intentions of answering any real questions and was using the moment to pull her party back together before the Christmas recess. It was party politics at its worst and another betrayal of the duty to govern by Maygabe. | |||
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" So, he is trying to get some questions answered in PMQs and Tresemae decides to go on the offensive with a scripted panto routine rather than answer them and Corbyn calls her a stupid woman. It was frustration that drove Corbyn to do it because she had no intentions of answering any real questions and was using the moment to pull her party back together before the Christmas recess. It was party politics at its worst and another betrayal of the duty to govern by Maygabe." To reason it due to party politics given Labour have everything on the table to get into Government, is near-on lemming territory. Party politics is politics. Brexit itself has shown MP's from the Tories and Labour are split in what they want... 2nd referendums, deal/remain/wto, in/out of single market, customs union arrangement/territory, unlimited migration targets, quotas or reduction. If her not answering a question grated him right to belittle her what excuse do you give for him calling another MP "a piece of shit"? (which he didn't refute to a reporter). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSSuGjlXC-E | |||
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"You will have to forgive me for not being up to speed. I am lying on a sun lounger beside a pool in 23 degrees sunshine, whiling away the time (and last night’s hangover), relying on my €2.90 copy of the Daily Mirror for my news. " I hope you got your 10cents change | |||
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"I've actually seen the footage now and yes, he most definitely said it. I can understand why John Bercow has taken the position that it is inconclusive - because Corbyn has denied it and to brandish him a liar is unparliamentary - after all, Corbyn is supposed to be 'right honourable' But having viewed it, it's blatantly obvious. For example, the shape of the mouth is different when making a 'Woo' sound to making a 'pee' sound or a 'ma' sound. Try it for yourself. Look in the mirror and say 'people' slowly, then do the same for 'woman' He definitely said 'Stupid woman'" I’m not a Corbyn fan at all and when I saw the footage, I expected to see “woman”. It looks for all the world like “people” to me, especially slowed down. I think it’s like an optical illusion where you either see an old lady or a vase! | |||
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"Well did he say it? " Yes he did you do not need to be very good at lip reading to see it.Oh yes I am fairly deaf so not a problem for me. Nothing wrong with saying it but lying about shows the sort of two faced nasty little creep he is.This is the polite version. He makes Tony Blaire look like Jesus | |||
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"Love to see so many lip readers on here, personally i tend to believe the experts on this one.All he had to do was apologize it would have blow over but no,now hes looking like a liar which will do his political career a lot of harm." Everyone is sick of experts. I personally thought he said people but I'm no expert. Now Sky news say a team of experts said he said woman. What Sky news fail to say is that the team of experts all work for the same company. Now what company of experts are going to admit their experts come up with a different opinion. | |||
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" So, he is trying to get some questions answered in PMQs and Tresemae decides to go on the offensive with a scripted panto routine rather than answer them and Corbyn calls her a stupid woman. It was frustration that drove Corbyn to do it because she had no intentions of answering any real questions and was using the moment to pull her party back together before the Christmas recess. It was party politics at its worst and another betrayal of the duty to govern by Maygabe. To reason it due to party politics given Labour have everything on the table to get into Government, is near-on lemming territory. Party politics is politics. Brexit itself has shown MP's from the Tories and Labour are split in what they want... 2nd referendums, deal/remain/wto, in/out of single market, customs union arrangement/territory, unlimited migration targets, quotas or reduction. If her not answering a question grated him right to belittle her what excuse do you give for him calling another MP "a piece of shit"? (which he didn't refute to a reporter). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSSuGjlXC-E " I’m not aware of that particular quote but the point is TM was abusing her position by turning the argument into a pantomime to avoid answering any questions. JC is not a saint but unlike some other MPs that should be suspended for allegedly sexual abuse he is human! | |||
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" So, he is trying to get some questions answered in PMQs and Tresemae decides to go on the offensive with a scripted panto routine rather than answer them and Corbyn calls her a stupid woman. It was frustration that drove Corbyn to do it because she had no intentions of answering any real questions and was using the moment to pull her party back together before the Christmas recess. It was party politics at its worst and another betrayal of the duty to govern by Maygabe. To reason it due to party politics given Labour have everything on the table to get into Government, is near-on lemming territory. Party politics is politics. Brexit itself has shown MP's from the Tories and Labour are split in what they want... 2nd referendums, deal/remain/wto, in/out of single market, customs union arrangement/territory, unlimited migration targets, quotas or reduction. If her not answering a question grated him right to belittle her what excuse do you give for him calling another MP "a piece of shit"? (which he didn't refute to a reporter). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSSuGjlXC-E I’m not aware of that particular quote but the point is TM was abusing her position by turning the argument into a pantomime to avoid answering any questions. JC is not a saint but unlike some other MPs that should be suspended for allegedly sexual abuse he is human!" You should watch pmq,s its always a pantomime both sides are guilty of it. | |||
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" So, he is trying to get some questions answered in PMQs and Tresemae decides to go on the offensive with a scripted panto routine rather than answer them and Corbyn calls her a stupid woman. It was frustration that drove Corbyn to do it because she had no intentions of answering any real questions and was using the moment to pull her party back together before the Christmas recess. It was party politics at its worst and another betrayal of the duty to govern by Maygabe. To reason it due to party politics given Labour have everything on the table to get into Government, is near-on lemming territory. Party politics is politics. Brexit itself has shown MP's from the Tories and Labour are split in what they want... 2nd referendums, deal/remain/wto, in/out of single market, customs union arrangement/territory, unlimited migration targets, quotas or reduction. If her not answering a question grated him right to belittle her what excuse do you give for him calling another MP "a piece of shit"? (which he didn't refute to a reporter). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSSuGjlXC-E I’m not aware of that particular quote but the point is TM was abusing her position by turning the argument into a pantomime to avoid answering any questions. JC is not a saint but unlike some other MPs that should be suspended for allegedly sexual abuse he is human! You should watch pmq,s its always a pantomime both sides are guilty of it." I have and i do know all that but its the posturing of the idiots in parliament and the media that is then repeated by some of the divvies on here that just appalls! | |||
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"I've actually seen the footage now and yes, he most definitely said it. I can understand why John Bercow has taken the position that it is inconclusive - because Corbyn has denied it and to brandish him a liar is unparliamentary - after all, Corbyn is supposed to be 'right honourable' But having viewed it, it's blatantly obvious. For example, the shape of the mouth is different when making a 'Woo' sound to making a 'pee' sound or a 'ma' sound. Try it for yourself. Look in the mirror and say 'people' slowly, then do the same for 'woman' He definitely said 'Stupid woman'" I'm no Corbyn fan and actually quite like May despite BREXIT. However I've tried what you suggest and to me it looks like he said stupid people. That fits in better. | |||
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"I've actually seen the footage now and yes, he most definitely said it. I can understand why John Bercow has taken the position that it is inconclusive - because Corbyn has denied it and to brandish him a liar is unparliamentary - after all, Corbyn is supposed to be 'right honourable' But having viewed it, it's blatantly obvious. For example, the shape of the mouth is different when making a 'Woo' sound to making a 'pee' sound or a 'ma' sound. Try it for yourself. Look in the mirror and say 'people' slowly, then do the same for 'woman' He definitely said 'Stupid woman' So, he is trying to get some questions answered in PMQs and Tresemae decides to go on the offensive with a scripted panto routine rather than answer them and Corbyn calls her a stupid woman. It was frustration that drove Corbyn to do it because she had no intentions of answering any real questions and was using the moment to pull her party back together before the Christmas recess. It was party politics at its worst and another betrayal of the duty to govern by Maygabe." He claims he didn't say "stupid woman" but "stupid people". Are you saying he's lying? That would be even worse than the original comment. To me it looks like he muttered "stupid people", he says he muttered "stupid people", no one can prove that he muttered anything else other than what he says he muttered, and he's the only one that actually knows what he muttered. Time to move on. | |||
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"Couldn’t care that he said it would of thought more of him as a man if he had came back and admitted it but would never be man enough " That's assuming he said it but I don't think he did. | |||
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"Couldn’t care that he said it would of thought more of him as a man if he had came back and admitted it but would never be man enough That's assuming he said it but I don't think he did." Really, I’m no lip reader but I think he did, I guess we all see different things and even if he did say it, so what. Is he not allowed to have an opinion ? | |||
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"At Prime Ministers Questions this week , the Tory party were in uproar after they thought they saw The Leader Of The Opposition utter the words "stupid woman " and , if they had a grievance they had every right to raise this with The Speaker , , however prior to the last election the currant Father Of The House (Ken Clarke) referred to May as a "bloody difficult 'woman' ",there was no difficulty with lip-reading he used those words , then on Thursday The Tory party decided that Boris Johnson had just been using satire when describing some women as " looking like letter boxes" ,,,, my point is not what Corbyn might or might not have said , or wether Clarke is allowed his opinion , or wether Johnson can criticise a humans choice to their clothing ,, it's that the amount of "anger" shown imediately following PMQs appears to be very selective and incredibly inconsistent " . Also , this week in Parliament , Ian Blackford (SNP) got up to speak , as soon as his name was called by the speaker and as Mr Blackford rose to his feet , a senior Conservative MP , Nicholas Soames shouted out that he should " go back to Skye" ,,, considering the failure of the tories to gain the landslide victory they sought in the last General Election and how much worse this would have been had it not been for the number of Conservative MPs who won seats , The Tory head office much bury their heads in their hands on hearing comments like that from English MPs which I would expect are not taken kindly to by many "north of the border " irrespective of how they did/will vote | |||
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"At Prime Ministers Questions this week , the Tory party were in uproar after they thought they saw The Leader Of The Opposition utter the words "stupid woman " and , if they had a grievance they had every right to raise this with The Speaker , , however prior to the last election the currant Father Of The House (Ken Clarke) referred to May as a "bloody difficult 'woman' ",there was no difficulty with lip-reading he used those words , then on Thursday The Tory party decided that Boris Johnson had just been using satire when describing some women as " looking like letter boxes" ,,,, my point is not what Corbyn might or might not have said , or wether Clarke is allowed his opinion , or wether Johnson can criticise a humans choice to their clothing ,, it's that the amount of "anger" shown imediately following PMQs appears to be very selective and incredibly inconsistent " Boris Johnson was cleared by an independent panel, chaired by a QC, not the Conservative Party. | |||
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"Well did he say it? Yes he did you do not need to be very good at lip reading to see it.Oh yes I am fairly deaf so not a problem for me. Nothing wrong with saying it but lying about shows the sort of two faced nasty little creep he is.This is the polite version. He makes Tony Blaire look like Jesus" Whoa, steady! | |||
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