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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

The will of the tories have spoken and with a reasonable majority have put their confidence in May.

Should he accept their evil and put up and shut up ?

But (ex) ministers have been lauded for falling on their sword and resigning when they disagree with the cabinet. Should he resign if he disagrees with the party. Isn’t that the honourable thing to do ?

And is he representing his constituents? They voted remain. And while they voted him in, they did this as their tory MP. If he’s not in line with the party should he ask them to reaffirm his platform ?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Shut up, basically. That would be a good start.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For all it's faults first past the post voting system has made MPS directly responsible for what they say. Mrs N has smoked him out for being a weasle worded KIPPER and I bet his candidacy for the next election like 110 others or maybe the other way round, the 200 should be scrutinised more carefully.

I for one will not forgive my MP so guess there will be plenty of others looking over their shoulder.

The labour party should take heed too with their drive to include certain types of candidates that hide behind their leader and the euphoria of a cult

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For all it's faults first past the post voting system has made MPS directly responsible for what they say. Mrs N has smoked him out for being a weasle worded KIPPER and I bet his candidacy for the next election like 110 others or maybe the other way round, the 200 should be scrutinised more carefully.

I for one will not forgive my MP so guess there will be plenty of others looking over their shoulder.

The labour party should take heed too with their drive to include certain types of candidates that hide behind their leader and the euphoria of a cult"

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By *G LanaTV/TS
over a year ago

Gosport

Leave politics and go and find somewhere to live that matches his antiquated views. I would suggest Little Woodham the 17th century museam here in Gosport.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hopefully he'll stick around to witness the inevitable second referendum ...and a remain victory

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Won't be a peoples/losers vote ...we had one remember....if you put a remainder in charge guess what you get ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Smoke me out a KIPPER, I'll be back in time for Brexit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Won't be a peoples/losers vote ...we had one remember....if you put a remainder in charge guess what you get ..."

Betfred is offering odds of 11/10 on another Brexit vote, the shortest price so far.

Listen to the bookies they don't like to lose money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Resign from what?

He's not in the cabinet, so can't resign from government.

Are you suggesting that he should stand down as an MP, triggering a bi-election?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Resign from what?

He's not in the cabinet, so can't resign from government.

Are you suggesting that he should stand down as an MP, triggering a bi-election?"

Well if he is as honourable as he claims to be perhaps he should fall on his sword?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Resign from what?

He's not in the cabinet, so can't resign from government.

Are you suggesting that he should stand down as an MP, triggering a bi-election?

Well if he is as honourable as he claims to be perhaps he should fall on his sword?"

I think he should go .Hes been weighed and measured and found to be wanting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

he is low quality and lacking substance ... he will cling on to the gravy train as long as possible due to his lack of moral fibre and vertibrae

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

He should stop whining..

Terrible role model and heaven forbid others follow his whiny, disloyal pitiful style..

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

He should be given far less coverage, as a minority MP, for starters. Whilst it's helpful to know of dangerous elements within political parties, the amount of coverage he's had for a long time on the BBC especially, isn't really appropriate.

I hope his constituents manage to rein him in - if they want that, as I assume that they're not generally extremists in their perspective.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

he is the very thing that brextremist voters claim that they voted for

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"he is the very thing that brextremist voters claim that they voted for"

Ironic isn't it..

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

JRM doesn't need to do anything now. He's already forced May into conceding that she won't stand as leader in the next general election, as soon as party leaders announce they are leaving then they are on borrowed time. JRM can just sit back on the back benches now and watch the DUP bring May down as she's lost their support and can't govern or pass legislation without them.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

He is arguing that 37 per cent of the vote is a win - he is on telly telling Mrs May to ring up Brenda and ask for her P45.

Hmmm . . . can the 48 per cent also ring up and ask for the Article 50 letter back?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"JRM doesn't need to do anything now. He's already forced May into conceding that she won't stand as leader in the next general election, as soon as party leaders announce they are leaving then they are on borrowed time. JRM can just sit back on the back benches now and watch the DUP bring May down as she's lost their support and can't govern or pass legislation without them. "

Pathetically trying to rewrite history, sad..

It was common knowledge that she would not stand at the next GE, based on the calling of the last election..

Keep up..

Banking your wages on a horse that's partial to a bribe to change course is not sensible..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He is arguing that 37 per cent of the vote is a win"

When you're beaten over & over again I guess it leaves you no choice but to grasp at straws

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there is nothing the ponce of darkness can do now after being so humiliatingly emasculated in public, other than to sit down and do as he is told like a good little boy

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham


"JRM doesn't need to do anything now. He's already forced May into conceding that she won't stand as leader in the next general election, as soon as party leaders announce they are leaving then they are on borrowed time. JRM can just sit back on the back benches now and watch the DUP bring May down as she's lost their support and can't govern or pass legislation without them. "

It's like your team being beaten 3-1 in the World Cup Final.

As the winning team are parading the trophy, you are celebrating scoring a goal!

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By *ollie1Couple
over a year ago

murcia spain

follow his money out of the country

he is a total hypocrite

if he believed in the uks future outside of the eu as much as he says he does he would bring it all back

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"JRM doesn't need to do anything now. He's already forced May into conceding that she won't stand as leader in the next general election, as soon as party leaders announce they are leaving then they are on borrowed time. JRM can just sit back on the back benches now and watch the DUP bring May down as she's lost their support and can't govern or pass legislation without them.

It's like your team being beaten 3-1 in the World Cup Final.

As the winning team are parading the trophy, you are celebrating scoring a goal!"

The team who won 3-1 now have a Captain with a bad injury. It's like the Captain is hobbling on hoping to play more games with a broken leg, and she's already announced she'll retire before the next world cup starts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"JRM doesn't need to do anything now. He's already forced May into conceding that she won't stand as leader in the next general election, as soon as party leaders announce they are leaving then they are on borrowed time. JRM can just sit back on the back benches now and watch the DUP bring May down as she's lost their support and can't govern or pass legislation without them.

It's like your team being beaten 3-1 in the World Cup Final.

As the winning team are parading the trophy, you are celebrating scoring a goal!

The team who won 3-1 now have a Captain with a bad injury. It's like the Captain is hobbling on hoping to play more games with a broken leg, and she's already announced she'll retire before the next world cup starts. "

I repeat again that TM has skynet by the balls. She will have a little think and then put her deal up for vote and of course it will be rejected. She can then ask Labour, OK whats your big idea then. And nope you can't have a general election coz I won the last won and wil cling on to power for 4 more years and there is fuck all you can do about it.

Oh lets do next best thing and have another referendum as it is the only way out of the impasse. Oh yes and by the way Jeremy you want to leave don't you . Now who is leading a split party

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"follow his money out of the country

he is a total hypocrite

if he believed in the uks future outside of the eu as much as he says he does he would bring it all back"

His dad wrote a book on how to make money out of chaos..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's funny how things can be spun:

Leave win by 3.9% -the people have spoken, the will of the people, democracy has spoken!

May wins by a 26% margin and it's a fail!

Had the referendum result been a 26% margin we would not be having the problems we are having now!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"JRM doesn't need to do anything now. He's already forced May into conceding that she won't stand as leader in the next general election, as soon as party leaders announce they are leaving then they are on borrowed time. JRM can just sit back on the back benches now and watch the DUP bring May down as she's lost their support and can't govern or pass legislation without them.

It's like your team being beaten 3-1 in the World Cup Final.

As the winning team are parading the trophy, you are celebrating scoring a goal!

The team who won 3-1 now have a Captain with a bad injury. It's like the Captain is hobbling on hoping to play more games with a broken leg, and she's already announced she'll retire before the next world cup starts. "

while the ponce of darkness ends his career playing half an injury plagued season for a lower division team in china

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"It's funny how things can be spun:

Leave win by 3.9% -the people have spoken, the will of the people, democracy has spoken!

May wins by a 26% margin and it's a fail!

Had the referendum result been a 26% margin we would not be having the problems we are having now!"

This..

Pathetic attempts by the usual deniers and deflection crowd in here too..

More spin than Alistair Campbell..

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"follow his money out of the country

he is a total hypocrite

if he believed in the uks future outside of the eu as much as he says he does he would bring it all back

His dad wrote a book on how to make money out of chaos..

"

He's following the lead, has written some awful stuff too. Now needs to be given very low coverage, alongside Boris and the others who've damaged the country, by failing with brexit progress.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"follow his money out of the country

he is a total hypocrite

if he believed in the uks future outside of the eu as much as he says he does he would bring it all back

His dad wrote a book on how to make money out of chaos..

He's following the lead, has written some awful stuff too. Now needs to be given very low coverage, alongside Boris and the others who've damaged the country, by failing with brexit progress."

The con trick he and his ilk has worked when working class people are hailing him as the saviour for the many issues there are with austerity and living in a global economic democracy..

Puzzling..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the ponce of darkness is the proverbial little monkey who has been spanked down ... HARD!

he has been utterly schooled in political timing and was found wanting

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"JRM doesn't need to do anything now. He's already forced May into conceding that she won't stand as leader in the next general election, as soon as party leaders announce they are leaving then they are on borrowed time. JRM can just sit back on the back benches now and watch the DUP bring May down as she's lost their support and can't govern or pass legislation without them.

It's like your team being beaten 3-1 in the World Cup Final.

As the winning team are parading the trophy, you are celebrating scoring a goal!

The team who won 3-1 now have a Captain with a bad injury. It's like the Captain is hobbling on hoping to play more games with a broken leg, and she's already announced she'll retire before the next world cup starts. "

A leg broken deliberately by your own “team-mate” usually would be denounced and the player packed off on the first flight home, never again to play for the team.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"It's funny how things can be spun:

Leave win by 3.9% -the people have spoken, the will of the people, democracy has spoken!

May wins by a 26% margin and it's a fail!

Had the referendum result been a 26% margin we would not be having the problems we are having now!

This..

Pathetic attempts by the usual deniers and deflection crowd in here too..

More spin than Alistair Campbell.. "

So it's spin when editor of the left leaning Daily Mirror Kevin Maguire, who also happens to be a remainer, calls May's win last night a pyrrhic victory.

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex


"Resign from what?

He's not in the cabinet, so can't resign from government.

Are you suggesting that he should stand down as an MP, triggering a bi-election?

Well if he is as honourable as he claims to be perhaps he should fall on his sword?"

If he was an honourable man, he'd fight for what his constituents voted for - Remain.

I'd be happy if he just stfu

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"It's funny how things can be spun:

Leave win by 3.9% -the people have spoken, the will of the people, democracy has spoken!

May wins by a 26% margin and it's a fail!

Had the referendum result been a 26% margin we would not be having the problems we are having now!

This..

Pathetic attempts by the usual deniers and deflection crowd in here too..

More spin than Alistair Campbell..

So it's spin when editor of the left leaning Daily Mirror Kevin Maguire, who also happens to be a remainer, calls May's win last night a pyrrhic victory. "

Daily mirror, left leaning paper..

Need any further explanation?

Look at how the mail and express are reporting it..

Clue, they are right leaning albeit one is stuck in the 50s..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Resign from what?

He's not in the cabinet, so can't resign from government.

Are you suggesting that he should stand down as an MP, triggering a bi-election?

Well if he is as honourable as he claims to be perhaps he should fall on his sword?

If he was an honourable man, he'd fight for what his constituents voted for - Remain.

I'd be happy if he just stfu "

He will continue to cause damage to the tory party then when it suits will be off to Switzerland or somewhere..

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex


"Resign from what?

He's not in the cabinet, so can't resign from government.

Are you suggesting that he should stand down as an MP, triggering a bi-election?

Well if he is as honourable as he claims to be perhaps he should fall on his sword?

If he was an honourable man, he'd fight for what his constituents voted for - Remain.

I'd be happy if he just stfu

He will continue to cause damage to the tory party then when it suits will be off to Switzerland or somewhere.. "

I see that nasty little scrote IDS has been gobbing off again today. He needs to give it a rest too....he was the worst Tory opposition leader in history

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Resign from what?

He's not in the cabinet, so can't resign from government.

Are you suggesting that he should stand down as an MP, triggering a bi-election?

Well if he is as honourable as he claims to be perhaps he should fall on his sword?

If he was an honourable man, he'd fight for what his constituents voted for - Remain.

I'd be happy if he just stfu "

Does that logic also apply to the likes of Anna Soubry, Ken Clarke, Amber Rudd and Sarah Wollaston on the opposite side then,..... remain tory rebels who want to reverse the referendum result but whose constituencies voted by majority to Leave the EU.

What about the 400 MP's in the wider Parliament who voted remain but whose constituencies voted Leave.

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex


"Resign from what?

He's not in the cabinet, so can't resign from government.

Are you suggesting that he should stand down as an MP, triggering a bi-election?

Well if he is as honourable as he claims to be perhaps he should fall on his sword?

If he was an honourable man, he'd fight for what his constituents voted for - Remain.

I'd be happy if he just stfu

Does that logic also apply to the likes of Anna Soubry, Ken Clarke, Amber Rudd and Sarah Wollaston on the opposite side then,..... remain tory rebels who want to reverse the referendum result but whose constituencies voted by majority to Leave the EU.

What about the 400 MP's in the wider Parliament who voted remain but whose constituencies voted Leave. "

Only if Raab and Redwood did the same.

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex


"Resign from what?

He's not in the cabinet, so can't resign from government.

Are you suggesting that he should stand down as an MP, triggering a bi-election?

Well if he is as honourable as he claims to be perhaps he should fall on his sword?

If he was an honourable man, he'd fight for what his constituents voted for - Remain.

I'd be happy if he just stfu

Does that logic also apply to the likes of Anna Soubry, Ken Clarke, Amber Rudd and Sarah Wollaston on the opposite side then,..... remain tory rebels who want to reverse the referendum result but whose constituencies voted by majority to Leave the EU.

What about the 400 MP's in the wider Parliament who voted remain but whose constituencies voted Leave. "

Oh and Ken Clarke represents a remain constituency (59% remain in fact)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

May won by a landslide, nothing more, nothing less

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

One-third of the voting conservatives were against May - but they lost. To be clear THEY LOST.

Why are they demanding that they still have a voice and should be listened to?

Is it like - do not ignore the 33% of us, but it is OK to ignore the 48% of Remain voters?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"One-third of the voting conservatives were against May - but they lost. To be clear THEY LOST.

Why are they demanding that they still have a voice and should be listened to?

Is it like - do not ignore the 33% of us, but it is OK to ignore the 48% of Remain voters?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

he needs to concentrate on fighting against his deselection ... a fight that the majority hope he loses

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

I like Bercow as speaker , although a Tory I find him fair to all parties , I actually think that Jacob Rees Mogg would also be a good speaker , I think his knowledge of our parliamentary system would force him into being fair to all sides , something necessary in a speaker

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By *laytimenowMan
over a year ago

Essex

Try & recuperate the money his hedge fund lost yesterday on Tressamae surviving the confidence vote .

The pound fell & it must have hurt him

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"He is arguing that 37 per cent of the vote is a win

When you're beaten over & over again I guess it leaves you no choice but to grasp at straws "

Well they've been claiming that 37% was an overwhelming victory in the BREXIT referendum so why not try the same trick in the leadership vote too?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"It's funny how things can be spun:

Leave win by 3.9% -the people have spoken, the will of the people, democracy has spoken!

May wins by a 26% margin and it's a fail!

Had the referendum result been a 26% margin we would not be having the problems we are having now!

This..

Pathetic attempts by the usual deniers and deflection crowd in here too..

More spin than Alistair Campbell..

So it's spin when editor of the left leaning Daily Mirror Kevin Maguire, who also happens to be a remainer, calls May's win last night a pyrrhic victory. "

Why does it come as a surprise to you that left wing papers and supporters spin sometimes too.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Resign from what?

He's not in the cabinet, so can't resign from government.

Are you suggesting that he should stand down as an MP, triggering a bi-election?

Well if he is as honourable as he claims to be perhaps he should fall on his sword?

If he was an honourable man, he'd fight for what his constituents voted for - Remain.

I'd be happy if he just stfu

Does that logic also apply to the likes of Anna Soubry, Ken Clarke, Amber Rudd and Sarah Wollaston on the opposite side then,..... remain tory rebels who want to reverse the referendum result but whose constituencies voted by majority to Leave the EU.

What about the 400 MP's in the wider Parliament who voted remain but whose constituencies voted Leave.

Oh and Ken Clarke represents a remain constituency (59% remain in fact)"

At the end of the day it is an MP's duty to vote in accordance with what they believe to be in the best interests of their constituents and the country which may not always be what the majority in their constituency or the country support, and that includes Mogg. I don't agree with him on BREXIT, I don't agree with him on a lot of things and I will criticise him on many things but I won't criticise him for not slavishly going with the majority in his constituency. It's mostly this attitude that MPs should just do as they're told and not deliberate and debate matters and then vote that has lead to the present crisis. If all MPs voted for what they believe to be in the best interests of their constituents and the country BREXIT would be dead now.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Resign from what?

He's not in the cabinet, so can't resign from government.

Are you suggesting that he should stand down as an MP, triggering a bi-election?

Well if he is as honourable as he claims to be perhaps he should fall on his sword?

If he was an honourable man, he'd fight for what his constituents voted for - Remain.

I'd be happy if he just stfu

Does that logic also apply to the likes of Anna Soubry, Ken Clarke, Amber Rudd and Sarah Wollaston on the opposite side then,..... remain tory rebels who want to reverse the referendum result but whose constituencies voted by majority to Leave the EU.

What about the 400 MP's in the wider Parliament who voted remain but whose constituencies voted Leave.

Oh and Ken Clarke represents a remain constituency (59% remain in fact)

At the end of the day it is an MP's duty to vote in accordance with what they believe to be in the best interests of their constituents and the country which may not always be what the majority in their constituency or the country support, and that includes Mogg. I don't agree with him on BREXIT, I don't agree with him on a lot of things and I will criticise him on many things but I won't criticise him for not slavishly going with the majority in his constituency. It's mostly this attitude that MPs should just do as they're told and not deliberate and debate matters and then vote that has lead to the present crisis. If all MPs voted for what they believe to be in the best interests of their constituents and the country BREXIT would be dead now.

"

It may have been dead for now but not for long, because the people have the power to remove MP's through the ballot box. It would be fatal for Parliamentarians to put themselves in opposition to the will of the people if they don't deliver Brexit. If MP's currently in Parliament don't deliver what the people voted for they will be removed through the ballot box and MP's installed who will deliver what the people want.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Resign from what?

He's not in the cabinet, so can't resign from government.

Are you suggesting that he should stand down as an MP, triggering a bi-election?

Well if he is as honourable as he claims to be perhaps he should fall on his sword?

If he was an honourable man, he'd fight for what his constituents voted for - Remain.

I'd be happy if he just stfu

Does that logic also apply to the likes of Anna Soubry, Ken Clarke, Amber Rudd and Sarah Wollaston on the opposite side then,..... remain tory rebels who want to reverse the referendum result but whose constituencies voted by majority to Leave the EU.

What about the 400 MP's in the wider Parliament who voted remain but whose constituencies voted Leave.

Oh and Ken Clarke represents a remain constituency (59% remain in fact)

At the end of the day it is an MP's duty to vote in accordance with what they believe to be in the best interests of their constituents and the country which may not always be what the majority in their constituency or the country support, and that includes Mogg. I don't agree with him on BREXIT, I don't agree with him on a lot of things and I will criticise him on many things but I won't criticise him for not slavishly going with the majority in his constituency. It's mostly this attitude that MPs should just do as they're told and not deliberate and debate matters and then vote that has lead to the present crisis. If all MPs voted for what they believe to be in the best interests of their constituents and the country BREXIT would be dead now.

It may have been dead for now but not for long, because the people have the power to remove MP's through the ballot box. It would be fatal for Parliamentarians to put themselves in opposition to the will of the people if they don't deliver Brexit. If MP's currently in Parliament don't deliver what the people voted for they will be removed through the ballot box and MP's installed who will deliver what the people want. "

I'm sure no MP's would ever say what "the people" want just to get elected then just do their own prefered course once in post

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent


" Does that logic also apply to the likes of Anna Soubry, Ken Clarke, Amber Rudd and Sarah Wollaston on the opposite side then,..... remain tory rebels who want to reverse the referendum result but whose constituencies voted by majority to Leave the EU.

What about the 400 MP's in the wider Parliament who voted remain but whose constituencies voted Leave."

MPs are elected as representatives not delegates.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Does that logic also apply to the likes of Anna Soubry, Ken Clarke, Amber Rudd and Sarah Wollaston on the opposite side then,..... remain tory rebels who want to reverse the referendum result but whose constituencies voted by majority to Leave the EU.

What about the 400 MP's in the wider Parliament who voted remain but whose constituencies voted Leave.

MPs are elected as representatives not delegates."

That's the big question that really needs to be asked now...

Is a MP's task to represent their constituencies majority view in parliament or do what they believe is in their constituencies / countries best interests ?

Baring in mind the only way to know their constituencies majority view is through a referendum which doesn't happen often enough to really know.

Should a Country wide view take presidence over the constituency view.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Going back to the original point, on JRM stating that Theresa May should resign despite having won the vote of confidence, I think the point he was making is that, although she secured a majority of 83, over a third of her own party voted against her, which is really quite damaging.

Whilst I can understand the comparrison between this ballot and the referendum, there is a significant diference in that all who took part in the vote are MP's of the same political party, who all stood on the same election manifesto and, it had been said on Wednesday morning by a lot of pundits that if more than 100 vite against her, she will be in a very weak position.

What you also need to consider is that when it comes to trying to get her deal through parliament, not only will all the opposition parties vote against it, but most likely, the 117 Conservative MP's who voted agaist her on Wednesday are likely to join them, along with the DUP.

And what if Corbyn then moves for a vote of no confidence in the government?

Constitutionally she can continue, but in reality she has been severely damaged

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Resign from what?

He's not in the cabinet, so can't resign from government.

Are you suggesting that he should stand down as an MP, triggering a bi-election?

Well if he is as honourable as he claims to be perhaps he should fall on his sword?

If he was an honourable man, he'd fight for what his constituents voted for - Remain.

I'd be happy if he just stfu

Does that logic also apply to the likes of Anna Soubry, Ken Clarke, Amber Rudd and Sarah Wollaston on the opposite side then,..... remain tory rebels who want to reverse the referendum result but whose constituencies voted by majority to Leave the EU.

What about the 400 MP's in the wider Parliament who voted remain but whose constituencies voted Leave.

Oh and Ken Clarke represents a remain constituency (59% remain in fact)

At the end of the day it is an MP's duty to vote in accordance with what they believe to be in the best interests of their constituents and the country which may not always be what the majority in their constituency or the country support, and that includes Mogg. I don't agree with him on BREXIT, I don't agree with him on a lot of things and I will criticise him on many things but I won't criticise him for not slavishly going with the majority in his constituency. It's mostly this attitude that MPs should just do as they're told and not deliberate and debate matters and then vote that has lead to the present crisis. If all MPs voted for what they believe to be in the best interests of their constituents and the country BREXIT would be dead now.

It may have been dead for now but not for long, because the people have the power to remove MP's through the ballot box. It would be fatal for Parliamentarians to put themselves in opposition to the will of the people if they don't deliver Brexit. If MP's currently in Parliament don't deliver what the people voted for they will be removed through the ballot box and MP's installed who will deliver what the people want. "

Good luck with that.

But, yes, in essence I agree. MPs make the decision in what they believe to be the best interests of their constituents and the country. If their constituents, on balance, don't agree with the way they've voted then they vote them out at the next election.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Resign from what?

He's not in the cabinet, so can't resign from government.

Are you suggesting that he should stand down as an MP, triggering a bi-election?

Well if he is as honourable as he claims to be perhaps he should fall on his sword?

If he was an honourable man, he'd fight for what his constituents voted for - Remain.

I'd be happy if he just stfu

Does that logic also apply to the likes of Anna Soubry, Ken Clarke, Amber Rudd and Sarah Wollaston on the opposite side then,..... remain tory rebels who want to reverse the referendum result but whose constituencies voted by majority to Leave the EU.

What about the 400 MP's in the wider Parliament who voted remain but whose constituencies voted Leave.

Oh and Ken Clarke represents a remain constituency (59% remain in fact)

At the end of the day it is an MP's duty to vote in accordance with what they believe to be in the best interests of their constituents and the country which may not always be what the majority in their constituency or the country support, and that includes Mogg. I don't agree with him on BREXIT, I don't agree with him on a lot of things and I will criticise him on many things but I won't criticise him for not slavishly going with the majority in his constituency. It's mostly this attitude that MPs should just do as they're told and not deliberate and debate matters and then vote that has lead to the present crisis. If all MPs voted for what they believe to be in the best interests of their constituents and the country BREXIT would be dead now.

It may have been dead for now but not for long, because the people have the power to remove MP's through the ballot box. It would be fatal for Parliamentarians to put themselves in opposition to the will of the people if they don't deliver Brexit. If MP's currently in Parliament don't deliver what the people voted for they will be removed through the ballot box and MP's installed who will deliver what the people want. "

We are in a place where MPs are being asked to vote against what they see as best for their constituents (which works both ways) because of the wider “will of the people”.

However while you see hard brexit as being acceptable, it’s not clear everyone is on the same page as you (see other threads).

So will these people vote against an MOnwhixh sleeps walks them into a head brexit.

Because people tend to vote on what they think. Not the wider will of the people (whixh is a soundbite which misses the nuances such as wills are fluid and can change over hours let alone years)

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Going back to the original point, on JRM stating that Theresa May should resign despite having won the vote of confidence, I think the point he was making is that, although she secured a majority of 83, over a third of her own party voted against her, which is really quite damaging.

Whilst I can understand the comparrison between this ballot and the referendum, there is a significant diference in that all who took part in the vote are MP's of the same political party, who all stood on the same election manifesto and, it had been said on Wednesday morning by a lot of pundits that if more than 100 vite against her, she will be in a very weak position.

What you also need to consider is that when it comes to trying to get her deal through parliament, not only will all the opposition parties vote against it, but most likely, the 117 Conservative MP's who voted agaist her on Wednesday are likely to join them, along with the DUP.

And what if Corbyn then moves for a vote of no confidence in the government?

Constitutionally she can continue, but in reality she has been severely damaged"

It was in some ways the lesser of two evils as both were coming albeit Mogg lost face by calling it a couple of weeks ago which may intimate how his personal standing is..

lose the vote then have 117 vote against her possibly could be worse than the current situation where she is trying to get some assurances to the back stop but the rest of the deal is poor in many areas so could still fall..

On a vote by Labour the thought of a possible GE with Corbyn as PM will get them and the DUP in line even if some are angry enough to say they will vote against themselves their constituency association will have words to say..

She will need to go in good time for the next election if the current situation is of course sorted by then..

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By *uracell-DannyMan
over a year ago

Leicester

Think JRM playef hid hand a bit too early...fascinating who the next leader of the Torries will be...the race is on...moves are being made...JRM is kind of a puppet master...will be interesting to see if he has ambitions to be the next Tory leader...if not he will be a key ally and dare i say King or Queen maker...Peter Mandelson style

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Think JRM playef hid hand a bit too early...fascinating who the next leader of the Torries will be...the race is on...moves are being made...JRM is kind of a puppet master...will be interesting to see if he has ambitions to be the next Tory leader...if not he will be a key ally and dare i say King or Queen maker...Peter Mandelson style"

Reported in the press now that the chairman of the 1922 committee revealed JRM did have the 48 letters go in against Theresa May several weeks ago when he put his in, but a few of them later withdrew their letters in a matter of hours. Its been revealed the threshold of 48 letters was just one short and it was on 47 letters for several weeks until Theresa May cancelled the vote on her deal then more letters went in against her again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Think JRM playef hid hand a bit too early...fascinating who the next leader of the Torries will be...the race is on...moves are being made...JRM is kind of a puppet master...will be interesting to see if he has ambitions to be the next Tory leader...if not he will be a key ally and dare i say King or Queen maker...Peter Mandelson style

Reported in the press now that the chairman of the 1922 committee revealed JRM did have the 48 letters go in against Theresa May several weeks ago when he put his in, but a few of them later withdrew their letters in a matter of hours. Its been revealed the threshold of 48 letters was just one short and it was on 47 letters for several weeks until Theresa May cancelled the vote on her deal then more letters went in against her again. "

Not a single shread of evidence that could ever support that statement though other than his word.

I'd say it's more to save a bit of face for Moggy especially if this guy is also an ERG member.

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