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By *harpDressed Man OP   Man
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

Lots of calls in both houses for this.

Nice, easy thing to say - very soundbite friendly, but low on actual content.

Specifically...what would the question be?

Between them all, they could spend another bloody year deciding that.

(and by "deciding" I mean "watering down to meaningless ")

So, given that we're no longer in a binary yes/no situation (because no could mean "not this deal" and "not out at all")...how would you phrase a second referendum question(s)?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

i wouldn’t.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"i wouldn’t.

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This..

Parliament is the sovereign body, they need to sort it..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He he

They can't. They want us to sort it really really really. Well most of them anyway. But no one wants to be seen to push the big red button on the flight deck that says "emergency red button"

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

As one Arthur Woolsey (Lord Wellington) said "Humbugged, we are humbugged!".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's like watching Airplane

The conservative party leader is flopped over the controls.

"Can anyone fly the plane that hasn't had Brexit"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Should get Noel Tidybeard to promote it.

Deal or No deal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's like watching Airplane

The conservative party leader is flopped over the controls.

"Can anyone fly the plane that hasn't had Brexit""

More like "snakes on a plane"!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i wouldn’t.

This..

Parliament is the sovereign body, they need to sort it.. "

Exactly this. The only thing we’ve learned from this farce is that the people can’t be trusted to vote in the best interests of themselves or the country. They’re too easily scared by posters of refugees and too easily sucked in by bullshit like the 350 million a week to the NHS.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

Come on now Dave say what you really think ppl were just to dumb to know what they were voteing for stop beating about the bush do you really think leavers were swayed by posters and a bus lol

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By *iscreet_divorced_guyMan
over a year ago

central

I think there will be a People’s vote, on the ballot paper should be

1: Remain

2: Mays deal

3: No deal leave

If it’s a first past the post vote, Remain to win by a landslide,

If a single transferable vote is used, could go either way, but I’d say Mays deal to win out!

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"i wouldn’t.

This..

Parliament is the sovereign body, they need to sort it..

Exactly this. The only thing we’ve learned from this farce is that the people can’t be trusted to vote in the best interests of themselves or the country. They’re too easily scared by posters of refugees and too easily sucked in by bullshit like the 350 million a week to the NHS. "

I've been scared by some comments from people interviewed on TV.

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

Well they all signed agreeing to abide by the first referendum result .so what's the point of a second ,third or fourth for that matter .they all lie through their teeth . let's have a referendum ....have you got any faith in any current MP .good there's no yes box to put your cross in ...suits me fine . they are all pathetic .don't kid yourself not one of them has any individuals interest at heart .just their own egos cos they ain't got a heart

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Already had a vote ...remember it well ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Come on now Dave say what you really think ppl were just to dumb to know what they were voteing for stop beating about the bush do you really think leavers were swayed by posters and a bus lol"

I dunno, fuck knows why anyone voted leave then. The crowd on here post all kinds of bullshit, far worse than what was written on those posters or on the side of the bus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Come on now Dave say what you really think ppl were just to dumb to know what they were voteing for stop beating about the bush do you really think leavers were swayed by posters and a bus lol

I dunno, fuck knows why anyone voted leave then. The crowd on here post all kinds of bullshit, far worse than what was written on those posters or on the side of the bus. "

Bendy bananas. It was all about bendy bananas.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Come on now Dave say what you really think ppl were just to dumb to know what they were voteing for stop beating about the bush do you really think leavers were swayed by posters and a bus lol

I dunno, fuck knows why anyone voted leave then. The crowd on here post all kinds of bullshit, far worse than what was written on those posters or on the side of the bus.

Bendy bananas. It was all about bendy bananas. "

That’s just about the most sensible one I’ve seen.

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By *rMrsWestMidsCouple
over a year ago

Dudley


"Come on now Dave say what you really think ppl were just to dumb to know what they were voteing for stop beating about the bush do you really think leavers were swayed by posters and a bus lol"

He's another one who think they know what's best for everyone rather than admitting he wants what's best for him!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Come on now Dave say what you really think ppl were just to dumb to know what they were voteing for stop beating about the bush do you really think leavers were swayed by posters and a bus lol

He's another one who think they know what's best for everyone rather than admitting he wants what's best for him! "

Huh?

What’s better for the environment, economy, nhs, freedom of travel, workers rights, human rights, is best for the country and is best for me.

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By *rMrsWestMidsCouple
over a year ago

Dudley


"Come on now Dave say what you really think ppl were just to dumb to know what they were voteing for stop beating about the bush do you really think leavers were swayed by posters and a bus lol

He's another one who think they know what's best for everyone rather than admitting he wants what's best for him!

Huh?

What’s better for the environment, economy, nhs, freedom of travel, workers rights, human rights, is best for the country and is best for me. "

So just because we want to leave the Eu everything else is forfeited too, scaremongering at it's best!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ah there we go again....playing the man instead of the ball was the phrase....or some such bollocks! If you cant argue your point or prefer not to display your thinking then a personal attack is always a short cut to proving what a man you are!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Come on now Dave say what you really think ppl were just to dumb to know what they were voteing for stop beating about the bush do you really think leavers were swayed by posters and a bus lol

He's another one who think they know what's best for everyone rather than admitting he wants what's best for him!

Huh?

What’s better for the environment, economy, nhs, freedom of travel, workers rights, human rights, is best for the country and is best for me.

So just because we want to leave the Eu everything else is forfeited too, scaremongering at it's best!"

What?

I don’t know what you’re saying. All the things I listed as being Important to me and in my opinion to the country, are better if we are in the EU.

Other things that I don’t care about and don’t think are important, such as the concept of sovereignty, are arguably better out of the EU.

No scaremongering.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ah there we go again....playing the man instead of the ball was the phrase....or some such bollocks! If you cant argue your point or prefer not to display your thinking then a personal attack is always a short cut to proving what a man you are! "

Is it a personal Attack? I don’t really understand what this poster is trying to get at.

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By *rMrsWestMidsCouple
over a year ago

Dudley


"Ah there we go again....playing the man instead of the ball was the phrase....or some such bollocks! If you cant argue your point or prefer not to display your thinking then a personal attack is always a short cut to proving what a man you are! "

The Village People have entered the thread!

It's fun to stay at the YMCA

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yep your still trotting out the same tired old shit....grow up you fool

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By *rMrsWestMidsCouple
over a year ago

Dudley


"Yep your still trotting out the same tired old shit....grow up you fool "

It serves me well grandad!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yep your still trotting out the same tired old shit....grow up you fool

It serves me well grandad! "

So, you’ve chalked up homophobic and ageist....come on you middle aged knob

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

why do you think the nhs,workers rights,human rights and the environment are better served by the eu? do you not think that british people care about them? what would any british government do different to diminish these?This is scaremongering as far as im concerned

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By *rMrsWestMidsCouple
over a year ago

Dudley


"Yep your still trotting out the same tired old shit....grow up you fool

It serves me well grandad!

So, you’ve chalked up homophobic and ageist....come on you middle aged knob "

Not at all just arseholeist!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yep your still trotting out the same tired old shit....grow up you fool

It serves me well grandad!

So, you’ve chalked up homophobic and ageist....come on you middle aged knob

Not at all just arseholeist! "

I believe you are the one who stepped into those particular shoes a few days ago mate

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By *rMrsWestMidsCouple
over a year ago

Dudley


"Yep your still trotting out the same tired old shit....grow up you fool

It serves me well grandad!

So, you’ve chalked up homophobic and ageist....come on you middle aged knob

Not at all just arseholeist!

I believe you are the one who stepped into those particular shoes a few days ago mate "

I could never fit in to your shoes!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yep your still trotting out the same tired old shit....grow up you fool

It serves me well grandad!

So, you’ve chalked up homophobic and ageist....come on you middle aged knob

Not at all just arseholeist!

I believe you are the one who stepped into those particular shoes a few days ago mate

I could never fit in to your shoes! "

Never a truer word said for once

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Yep your still trotting out the same tired old shit....grow up you fool

It serves me well grandad!

So, you’ve chalked up homophobic and ageist....come on you middle aged knob "

Don't be drawn in my MrMrsWestMids ad hominem arguments. It's their standard approach on here.

Just ignore the personal stuff and only reply to the on topic points made, if any, otherwise just ignore their whole post.

It doesn't really matter what they say about you personally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yep your still trotting out the same tired old shit....grow up you fool

It serves me well grandad!

So, you’ve chalked up homophobic and ageist....come on you middle aged knob

Don't be drawn in my MrMrsWestMids ad hominem arguments. It's their standard approach on here.

Just ignoring the personal stuff and only reply to the on topic points made, if any, otherwise just ignore their whole post.

It doesn't really matter what they say about you personally.

"

Yes you’re right....there’s far more important stuff going on and fab is hardly the place to get worried about that schoolboy stuff....sorry for diverting the thread

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By *rMrsWestMidsCouple
over a year ago

Dudley


"Yep your still trotting out the same tired old shit....grow up you fool

It serves me well grandad!

So, you’ve chalked up homophobic and ageist....come on you middle aged knob

Don't be drawn in my MrMrsWestMids ad hominem arguments. It's their standard approach on here.

Just ignore the personal stuff and only reply to the on topic points made, if any, otherwise just ignore their whole post.

It doesn't really matter what they say about you personally.

"

If you look back it was your new best mate who started it!

Don't give it if you can't take it!

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By *rMrsWestMidsCouple
over a year ago

Dudley


"Yep your still trotting out the same tired old shit....grow up you fool

It serves me well grandad!

So, you’ve chalked up homophobic and ageist....come on you middle aged knob

Not at all just arseholeist!

I believe you are the one who stepped into those particular shoes a few days ago mate

I could never fit in to your shoes!

Never a truer word said for once "

I haven't got the feet for clown's shoes! Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"[Removed by poster at 12/12/18 19:37:56]"

To be honest mate you’re boring the pants off me and everybody else on the forums so why dont you go and take a little time out and rest your bruised ego!

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By *rMrsWestMidsCouple
over a year ago

Dudley


"[Removed by poster at 12/12/18 19:37:56]

To be honest mate you’re boring the pants off me and everybody else on the forums so why dont you go and take a little time out and rest your bruised ego!

"

My ego is fine and I'm not even slightly interested in your pants!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"[Removed by poster at 12/12/18 19:37:56]

To be honest mate you’re boring the pants off me and everybody else on the forums so why dont you go and take a little time out and rest your bruised ego!

My ego is fine and I'm not even slightly interested in your pants! "

Alright last word larry, stop being so boring and let it go before you ruin this place for everyone else. If you feel that you want me to concede victory to you then enjoy the moment because I am so fucking bored of this petty trolling shit you get off on! Take yourself to the top of your podium and award yourself a chocolate medal mate.

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By *rMrsWestMidsCouple
over a year ago

Dudley


"[Removed by poster at 12/12/18 19:37:56]

To be honest mate you’re boring the pants off me and everybody else on the forums so why dont you go and take a little time out and rest your bruised ego!

My ego is fine and I'm not even slightly interested in your pants!

Alright last word larry, stop being so boring and let it go before you ruin this place for everyone else. If you feel that you want me to concede victory to you then enjoy the moment because I am so fucking bored of this petty trolling shit you get off on! Take yourself to the top of your podium and award yourself a chocolate medal mate. "

You trolled me, go and look at your first post and DaveMovers comment to it, so don't try for the sympathy vote!

You seem to have taken a shine to me for some unknown reason!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"[Removed by poster at 12/12/18 19:37:56]

To be honest mate you’re boring the pants off me and everybody else on the forums so why dont you go and take a little time out and rest your bruised ego!

My ego is fine and I'm not even slightly interested in your pants!

Alright last word larry, stop being so boring and let it go before you ruin this place for everyone else. If you feel that you want me to concede victory to you then enjoy the moment because I am so fucking bored of this petty trolling shit you get off on! Take yourself to the top of your podium and award yourself a chocolate medal mate.

You trolled me, go and look at your first post and DaveMovers comment to it, so don't try for the sympathy vote!

You seem to have taken a shine to me for some unknown reason! "

Well the shine has worn off so leave it be

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By *rMrsWestMidsCouple
over a year ago

Dudley


"[Removed by poster at 12/12/18 19:37:56]

To be honest mate you’re boring the pants off me and everybody else on the forums so why dont you go and take a little time out and rest your bruised ego!

My ego is fine and I'm not even slightly interested in your pants!

Alright last word larry, stop being so boring and let it go before you ruin this place for everyone else. If you feel that you want me to concede victory to you then enjoy the moment because I am so fucking bored of this petty trolling shit you get off on! Take yourself to the top of your podium and award yourself a chocolate medal mate.

You trolled me, go and look at your first post and DaveMovers comment to it, so don't try for the sympathy vote!

You seem to have taken a shine to me for some unknown reason!

Well the shine has worn off so leave it be "

Glad to hear it, it was never required!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

_________________

That’s me drawing a line under this to and froing.

No doubt someone will ignore it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Back to the original question.......

1. Leave with or without a deal in March.

2. Call a draw and talk about it again in 10 years.

3. The problem is that no expert will ever be able to predict what the right answer is because future forecasting is bloody impossible. The issues raised by both leaving or remaining are so immensely complex that the referendum should have been preceded by a national inquiry into the question, led by an independent judge or other impartial agent. They could have spent a couple of years taking the whole thing apart, hearing witnesses under oath, so no more bus weirdness, and publishing the results, with accompanying TV and radio programmes about the findings. Then, with all of us a little more educated, we could make an actual informed decision. Instinctually I am a remainer, but to be honest, that might be disastrous for all I know, I'm not an expert in economics, social policy, agriculture etc. So my vote is, as a population, let's get ourselves properly educated and have another go about the true issue, not sentimentality, misguided patriotism (either side) or sorting out the bloody tories who have argued about this with themselves for bloody ever. Let's give this the true collective mind of all British people that care about the right decision over whether they feel like they have won.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"why do you think the nhs,workers rights,human rights and the environment are better served by the eu? do you not think that british people care about them? what would any british government do different to diminish these?This is scaremongering as far as im concerned"

The whole point of Brexit is to allow certain Tories, Aaron Banks, Rees Mogg etc and the ultra rich to how more power by exploiting everyone and everything.

“Removing red tape”. Means removing EU laws that protect the environment and workers rights. That’s the only reason the likes of the ERG are pushing for a hard Brexit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"[Removed by poster at 12/12/18 19:37:56]

To be honest mate you’re boring the pants off me and everybody else on the forums so why dont you go and take a little time out and rest your bruised ego!

My ego is fine and I'm not even slightly interested in your pants!

Alright last word larry, stop being so boring and let it go before you ruin this place for everyone else. If you feel that you want me to concede victory to you then enjoy the moment because I am so fucking bored of this petty trolling shit you get off on! Take yourself to the top of your podium and award yourself a chocolate medal mate.

You trolled me, go and look at your first post and DaveMovers comment to it, so don't try for the sympathy vote!

You seem to have taken a shine to me for some unknown reason! "

In fairness your posts made very little sense.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"[Removed by poster at 12/12/18 19:37:56]

To be honest mate you’re boring the pants off me and everybody else on the forums so why dont you go and take a little time out and rest your bruised ego!

"

You don't speak for everyone here fella and you certainly don't speak for me. I find MrMrsWestMids posts very entertaining especially when they make you look like a fool, which to be honest is not very hard to do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I see my considered and well thought out response was not wasted on this thread. I think I may have found the problem.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"[Removed by poster at 12/12/18 19:37:56]

To be honest mate you’re boring the pants off me and everybody else on the forums so why dont you go and take a little time out and rest your bruised ego!

You don't speak for everyone here fella and you certainly don't speak for me. I find MrMrsWestMids posts very entertaining especially when they make you look like a fool, which to be honest is not very hard to do. "

To be honest I really could care less what you think Centy as to be called a fool by you is hardly something I’m going to lose sleep over

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