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"So, 48 Tory MPs want the world to stop while they have a vote of confidence in their leader. Followed by an electoral process likely to take weeks to complete. Meanwhile, the Article 50 clock keeps counting down. The only conceivable outcome I can see is any new PM will have to go cap in hand to the EU and delay Brexit. " That's assuming she loses. | |||
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"So, 48 Tory MPs want the world to stop while they have a vote of confidence in their leader. Followed by an electoral process likely to take weeks to complete. Meanwhile, the Article 50 clock keeps counting down. The only conceivable outcome I can see is any new PM will have to go cap in hand to the EU and delay Brexit. " Why? Some of the likely candidates prefer a No Deal / WTO terms exit. | |||
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"So, 48 Tory MPs want the world to stop while they have a vote of confidence in their leader. Followed by an electoral process likely to take weeks to complete. Meanwhile, the Article 50 clock keeps counting down. The only conceivable outcome I can see is any new PM will have to go cap in hand to the EU and delay Brexit. Why? Some of the likely candidates prefer a No Deal / WTO terms exit." It will have to pass through Parliament though which it won't. | |||
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"So, 48 Tory MPs want the world to stop while they have a vote of confidence in their leader. Followed by an electoral process likely to take weeks to complete. Meanwhile, the Article 50 clock keeps counting down. The only conceivable outcome I can see is any new PM will have to go cap in hand to the EU and delay Brexit. " They timed it for maximum chance of disrupting anything but a hard no deal Brexit. Look at the list oh MPs, they’re all the already-moved-my-cash-overseas brigade. | |||
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"So, 48 Tory MPs want the world to stop while they have a vote of confidence in their leader. Followed by an electoral process likely to take weeks to complete. Meanwhile, the Article 50 clock keeps counting down. The only conceivable outcome I can see is any new PM will have to go cap in hand to the EU and delay Brexit. Why? Some of the likely candidates prefer a No Deal / WTO terms exit." This.. Like ideologist zealots they don't appear to really care how the outcome will affect other's just so they can say we won.. Sound similar? | |||
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"It's now going to take radical steps to get the Brexit process further on. It's now going to take even more radical steps to stop the Brexit process. It's stalemate, it's confusing, it's not what the UK needs." Given that those in the Erg know there is no majority in Parliament for a no deal it looks like they are prepared to play Russian roulette with their party and if they get one of theirs elected as leader then also the country.. It's bizarre.. | |||
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"ERG and BREXITERS putting the country first again . LOL" If May wins this vote tonight, those people will (thankfully) be silenced. This may not be such a bad thing if she sees off the threat today as it will be business as usual tomorrow. I wonder just how many “sensible” Conservatives will take it out on the ERG group for this very badly timed action and punish them for their poor judgement. | |||
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"It's now going to take radical steps to get the Brexit process further on. It's now going to take even more radical steps to stop the Brexit process. It's stalemate, it's confusing, it's not what the UK needs. Given that those in the Erg know there is no majority in Parliament for a no deal it looks like they are prepared to play Russian roulette with their party and if they get one of theirs elected as leader then also the country.. It's bizarre.. " If TM is replaced, it won't change anything. If a member of the ERG is put in charge, the rest of Parliament will counter them. Stalemate again! | |||
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"It's now going to take radical steps to get the Brexit process further on. It's now going to take even more radical steps to stop the Brexit process. It's stalemate, it's confusing, it's not what the UK needs. Given that those in the Erg know there is no majority in Parliament for a no deal it looks like they are prepared to play Russian roulette with their party and if they get one of theirs elected as leader then also the country.. It's bizarre.. If TM is replaced, it won't change anything. If a member of the ERG is put in charge, the rest of Parliament will counter them. Stalemate again! " Yes.. They know it so it looks like they've bided their time to cause maximum disruption to the actual process.. Interestingly it will possibly have the effect of focusing the Eu who look at the likes of Mogg and Boris as the worst case scenario.. The tweets of support have begun for her which is a new thing.. | |||
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"So, 48 Tory MPs want the world to stop while they have a vote of confidence in their leader. Followed by an electoral process likely to take weeks to complete. Meanwhile, the Article 50 clock keeps counting down. The only conceivable outcome I can see is any new PM will have to go cap in hand to the EU and delay Brexit. Why? Some of the likely candidates prefer a No Deal / WTO terms exit." By law, Ministers must seek approval of Parliament for that on, or shortly after, January 21. | |||
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"It's now going to take radical steps to get the Brexit process further on. It's now going to take even more radical steps to stop the Brexit process. It's stalemate, it's confusing, it's not what the UK needs. Given that those in the Erg know there is no majority in Parliament for a no deal it looks like they are prepared to play Russian roulette with their party and if they get one of theirs elected as leader then also the country.. It's bizarre.. If TM is replaced, it won't change anything. If a member of the ERG is put in charge, the rest of Parliament will counter them. Stalemate again! Yes.. They know it so it looks like they've bided their time to cause maximum disruption to the actual process.. Interestingly it will possibly have the effect of focusing the Eu who look at the likes of Mogg and Boris as the worst case scenario.. The tweets of support have begun for her which is a new thing.. " As a Conservative, I hope that the ERG lose and are purged from the party. They had plenty to say pre-referendum and nothing of substance since. No plan, no solutions other than to resort to WTO exit. They have a very selfish outlook and at this time, we need informed and forward thinking people more. | |||
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"It's now going to take radical steps to get the Brexit process further on. It's now going to take even more radical steps to stop the Brexit process. It's stalemate, it's confusing, it's not what the UK needs. Given that those in the Erg know there is no majority in Parliament for a no deal it looks like they are prepared to play Russian roulette with their party and if they get one of theirs elected as leader then also the country.. It's bizarre.. If TM is replaced, it won't change anything. If a member of the ERG is put in charge, the rest of Parliament will counter them. Stalemate again! Yes.. They know it so it looks like they've bided their time to cause maximum disruption to the actual process.. Interestingly it will possibly have the effect of focusing the Eu who look at the likes of Mogg and Boris as the worst case scenario.. The tweets of support have begun for her which is a new thing.. As a Conservative, I hope that the ERG lose and are purged from the party. They had plenty to say pre-referendum and nothing of substance since. No plan, no solutions other than to resort to WTO exit. They have a very selfish outlook and at this time, we need informed and forward thinking people more." Agreed, have the same view with momentum/ye olde militant.. The centre ground is and always will be where people are in the numbers needed to win power.. Like being in opposition and shouting do this and do that when it's come to it the Erg have failed to step up.. | |||
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"It just seems an almighty mess, detracting from what the MPs should be focusing on. No doubt another day of plunging shares on the stock market due to more uncertainty. " Some of them calling for her to go have got their money well protected a while ago.. | |||
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"following the E.U. referendum the Tory party had a vote to elect a new leader ,, are the 48 Tory MPs who have called for "another" election for a new Tory leader now saying that it is ok to have another election just because they don't like the result of the first vote"   | |||
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"So, 48 Tory MPs want the world to stop while they have a vote of confidence in their leader. Followed by an electoral process likely to take weeks to complete. Meanwhile, the Article 50 clock keeps counting down. The only conceivable outcome I can see is any new PM will have to go cap in hand to the EU and delay Brexit. Why? Some of the likely candidates prefer a No Deal / WTO terms exit. It will have to pass through Parliament though which it won't." That is what a lot of MP's would have you believe, but the reality is that 'No deal' is the default. This is why Theresa May has been using the threat of no deal in an attempt to persuade the house to back her 'deal'. The EU have already made it perfectly clear that there will be no renegotiation. The EU have been completely inflexible and came up with the most crucifying deal that they thought they could get away with. The biggest problem we have had is that those in goverment and the civil service whi have been part of the negotiation process have been rubbish and given concessions to the EU hand over fist. I would have done things very differently. The problem we also have with MP's claiming that they would not support a 'no deal' exit is that they have been very public about it - which is precisely why the EU have us where they want us. | |||
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"So, 48 Tory MPs want the world to stop while they have a vote of confidence in their leader. Followed by an electoral process likely to take weeks to complete. Meanwhile, the Article 50 clock keeps counting down. The only conceivable outcome I can see is any new PM will have to go cap in hand to the EU and delay Brexit. Why? Some of the likely candidates prefer a No Deal / WTO terms exit. It will have to pass through Parliament though which it won't. That is what a lot of MP's would have you believe, but the reality is that 'No deal' is the default. This is why Theresa May has been using the threat of no deal in an attempt to persuade the house to back her 'deal'. The EU have already made it perfectly clear that there will be no renegotiation. The EU have been completely inflexible and came up with the most crucifying deal that they thought they could get away with. The biggest problem we have had is that those in goverment and the civil service whi have been part of the negotiation process have been rubbish and given concessions to the EU hand over fist. I would have done things very differently. The problem we also have with MP's claiming that they would not support a 'no deal' exit is that they have been very public about it - which is precisely why the EU have us where they want us. " Simple in your world isn't it? | |||
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"So, 48 Tory MPs want the world to stop while they have a vote of confidence in their leader. Followed by an electoral process likely to take weeks to complete. Meanwhile, the Article 50 clock keeps counting down. The only conceivable outcome I can see is any new PM will have to go cap in hand to the EU and delay Brexit. Why? Some of the likely candidates prefer a No Deal / WTO terms exit. It will have to pass through Parliament though which it won't. That is what a lot of MP's would have you believe, but the reality is that 'No deal' is the default. This is why Theresa May has been using the threat of no deal in an attempt to persuade the house to back her 'deal'. The EU have already made it perfectly clear that there will be no renegotiation. The EU have been completely inflexible and came up with the most crucifying deal that they thought they could get away with. The biggest problem we have had is that those in goverment and the civil service whi have been part of the negotiation process have been rubbish and given concessions to the EU hand over fist. I would have done things very differently. The problem we also have with MP's claiming that they would not support a 'no deal' exit is that they have been very public about it - which is precisely why the EU have us where they want us. " Stand for election then.. | |||
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"So, 48 Tory MPs want the world to stop while they have a vote of confidence in their leader. Followed by an electoral process likely to take weeks to complete. Meanwhile, the Article 50 clock keeps counting down. The only conceivable outcome I can see is any new PM will have to go cap in hand to the EU and delay Brexit. Why? Some of the likely candidates prefer a No Deal / WTO terms exit. It will have to pass through Parliament though which it won't. That is what a lot of MP's would have you believe, but the reality is that 'No deal' is the default. This is why Theresa May has been using the threat of no deal in an attempt to persuade the house to back her 'deal'. The EU have already made it perfectly clear that there will be no renegotiation. The EU have been completely inflexible and came up with the most crucifying deal that they thought they could get away with. The biggest problem we have had is that those in goverment and the civil service whi have been part of the negotiation process have been rubbish and given concessions to the EU hand over fist. I would have done things very differently. The problem we also have with MP's claiming that they would not support a 'no deal' exit is that they have been very public about it - which is precisely why the EU have us where they want us. " Why don’t you become a politician they all talk crap as well | |||
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"So, 48 Tory MPs want the world to stop while they have a vote of confidence in their leader. Followed by an electoral process likely to take weeks to complete. Meanwhile, the Article 50 clock keeps counting down. The only conceivable outcome I can see is any new PM will have to go cap in hand to the EU and delay Brexit. Why? Some of the likely candidates prefer a No Deal / WTO terms exit. It will have to pass through Parliament though which it won't." No it doesnt, the only way a no deal scenario can be avoided is for the commons to accept a deal,as no deal is a default option. | |||
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"So, 48 Tory MPs want the world to stop while they have a vote of confidence in their leader. Followed by an electoral process likely to take weeks to complete. Meanwhile, the Article 50 clock keeps counting down. The only conceivable outcome I can see is any new PM will have to go cap in hand to the EU and delay Brexit. Why? Some of the likely candidates prefer a No Deal / WTO terms exit. It will have to pass through Parliament though which it won't. No it doesnt, the only way a no deal scenario can be avoided is for the commons to accept a deal,as no deal is a default option. " Parliament will prevent a so called no deal Withdrawal. No deal would be a failure of epic proportions and the consequence of very simple people shrugging their shoulders because things got a bit complicated. No deal won’t happen, because it can’t happen without a truly massive recruitment campaign for new civil servants. | |||
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"It wouldn’t suprise me if there were some pro May names in the letters? Just to bring this to a head. I’ve not heard any rumours of whom she would be up against if she lost this. So they don’t really know what a no confidence vote will mean. That said, we’ve seen people like to vote for the leap of faith rather than better the devil you know...." Boris definitely will take a chance - unless GOVE states he's not fit for the job - deja vous. | |||
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"It wouldn’t suprise me if there were some pro May names in the letters? Just to bring this to a head. I’ve not heard any rumours of whom she would be up against if she lost this. So they don’t really know what a no confidence vote will mean. That said, we’ve seen people like to vote for the leap of faith rather than better the devil you know.... Boris definitely will take a chance - unless GOVE states he's not fit for the job - deja vous." But will tory MPs want Boris ? He’s lost the momentum of the referendum, and didn’t set the world alight at the FO (plus a couple of Boris balls up). Does he have enough public support to win the next GE. Or is it giving labour more ripe to hang themselves with ? | |||
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"BoJo for PM!" JoJo for PM! because that would really piss BoJo off. | |||
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"Theresa May is very, very unlikely to lose this vote and it will be business as usual tomorrow. The big takeaway from this (again) is the Brextremists (who are overly represented in the ERG) have yet again demonstrated very poor political judgement and acted in a very foolish way. But isn't that the same with almost all Brextremists? Unreliable, poor judgement, fantasy driven and living in cloud cuckoo land. " There's already supposedly been enough MP's saying they will support her for her to gain enough confidence votes. | |||
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"So, 48 Tory MPs want the world to stop while they have a vote of confidence in their leader. Followed by an electoral process likely to take weeks to complete. Meanwhile, the Article 50 clock keeps counting down. The only conceivable outcome I can see is any new PM will have to go cap in hand to the EU and delay Brexit. Why? Some of the likely candidates prefer a No Deal / WTO terms exit. It will have to pass through Parliament though which it won't. No it doesnt, the only way a no deal scenario can be avoided is for the commons to accept a deal,as no deal is a default option. " Or Article 50 withdrawn. I assume that it could be withdrawn and a new one issued shortly after, thus gaining 2 years of negotiation time, from that point. | |||
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"I agree. I don’t understand why they did not let her fail of her own accord, i.e. when Parliament voted down her deal. Or were they worried the outcome of that wouldn’t be a Tory leadership election but a Jeremy Corbyn government. Whatever, it does seem to be the lunatic fringe of the Conservative Party." To try and produce enough chaos to end up in the default hard Brexit whilst government was frozen over the deadline period? | |||
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"So, 48 Tory MPs want the world to stop while they have a vote of confidence in their leader. Followed by an electoral process likely to take weeks to complete. Meanwhile, the Article 50 clock keeps counting down. The only conceivable outcome I can see is any new PM will have to go cap in hand to the EU and delay Brexit. Why? Some of the likely candidates prefer a No Deal / WTO terms exit. It will have to pass through Parliament though which it won't. No it doesnt, the only way a no deal scenario can be avoided is for the commons to accept a deal,as no deal is a default option. Or Article 50 withdrawn. I assume that it could be withdrawn and a new one issued shortly after, thus gaining 2 years of negotiation time, from that point. " I think that A50 is already being re-written as we speak to prevent such actions. Like everything that's never been done before, hindsight is a wonderful thing! Believe it or not the EU are not as preoccupied with brexit as the Brits! Also just like the UK the EU has spent a lot of money on brexit. How many millions have the UK spent on brexit £350m - which could have been spent on the NHS? | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here!" Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!  | |||
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"i should imagine there are still cretinous morons who will vote for these tory turds despite the fact that they've caused the most damage to the country out of any government ever" This is why the Tories feel untouchable. They can openly screw over the population and then they know that they’re core voters don’t give a fuck and will vote for them again anyway. | |||
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"So, 48 Tory MPs want the world to stop while they have a vote of confidence in their leader. Followed by an electoral process likely to take weeks to complete. Meanwhile, the Article 50 clock keeps counting down. The only conceivable outcome I can see is any new PM will have to go cap in hand to the EU and delay Brexit. Why? Some of the likely candidates prefer a No Deal / WTO terms exit. It will have to pass through Parliament though which it won't. No it doesnt, the only way a no deal scenario can be avoided is for the commons to accept a deal,as no deal is a default option. Or Article 50 withdrawn. I assume that it could be withdrawn and a new one issued shortly after, thus gaining 2 years of negotiation time, from that point. I think that A50 is already being re-written as we speak to prevent such actions. Like everything that's never been done before, hindsight is a wonderful thing! Believe it or not the EU are not as preoccupied with brexit as the Brits! Also just like the UK the EU has spent a lot of money on brexit. How many millions have the UK spent on brexit £350m - which could have been spent on the NHS? " Er, re-writing Article 50 would be illegal. The only way it could be changed is if an ammendment were to be put forward and each member state signed up to it. | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket! "Fake news! Please point out one post where i have said they (the negotiators) are idiots. Just one example please! As far as slagging them off I suppose you would have done a better job? What do you do for a living - your a professional negotiator - you must be surely? It's taken how long to get 48 letters - Bridgen reckons his went in, in July! As far as the deal is concerned take it or leave it - simple and part of me wants a hard brexit then we will see who is right and who is wrong! | |||
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"So, 48 Tory MPs want the world to stop while they have a vote of confidence in their leader. Followed by an electoral process likely to take weeks to complete. Meanwhile, the Article 50 clock keeps counting down. The only conceivable outcome I can see is any new PM will have to go cap in hand to the EU and delay Brexit. Why? Some of the likely candidates prefer a No Deal / WTO terms exit. It will have to pass through Parliament though which it won't. No it doesnt, the only way a no deal scenario can be avoided is for the commons to accept a deal,as no deal is a default option. Or Article 50 withdrawn. I assume that it could be withdrawn and a new one issued shortly after, thus gaining 2 years of negotiation time, from that point. I think that A50 is already being re-written as we speak to prevent such actions. Like everything that's never been done before, hindsight is a wonderful thing! Believe it or not the EU are not as preoccupied with brexit as the Brits! Also just like the UK the EU has spent a lot of money on brexit. How many millions have the UK spent on brexit £350m - which could have been spent on the NHS? Er, re-writing Article 50 would be illegal. The only way it could be changed is if an ammendment were to be put forward and each member state signed up to it." Waiting until 30/3/19 before they introduce the new version - probably. | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Fake news! Please point out one post where i have said they (the negotiators) are idiots. Just one example please!
As far as slagging them off I suppose you would have done a better job? What do you do for a living - your a professional negotiator - you must be surely? It's taken how long to get 48 letters - Bridgen reckons his went in, in July!
As far as the deal is concerned take it or leave it - simple and part of me wants a hard brexit then we will see who is right and who is wrong! "You should know all about fake news you spend most of the day spreading it! You have commented on the brexit ministers often enough were they not involved in the negotiations!? Did they send professional negotiators more like Mickey Mouse impersonators! Put it like this I could have done a better job than the people they sent or a pussy like you!  | |||
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"So, 48 Tory MPs want the world to stop while they have a vote of confidence in their leader. Followed by an electoral process likely to take weeks to complete. Meanwhile, the Article 50 clock keeps counting down. The only conceivable outcome I can see is any new PM will have to go cap in hand to the EU and delay Brexit. Why? Some of the likely candidates prefer a No Deal / WTO terms exit. It will have to pass through Parliament though which it won't. No it doesnt, the only way a no deal scenario can be avoided is for the commons to accept a deal,as no deal is a default option. Or Article 50 withdrawn. I assume that it could be withdrawn and a new one issued shortly after, thus gaining 2 years of negotiation time, from that point. " I think it said somewhere in the ECJ ruling that the triggering and withdrawal of Article 50 had to be genuine and not part of a stunt for political advantage. If we withdraw and then trigger straight away I think it would fall foul of the ruling. We should either suspend Article 50, with the agreement of the EU 27, if there is the possibility of a general election or 3rd referendum to sort the problem out, or withdraw Article 50 then, over a few years, work out what the people really want from leaving and, if it's deliverable, trigger Article 50 with a proper plan in a few years time. | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket! "Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for? | |||
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"i should imagine there are still cretinous morons who will vote for these tory turds despite the fact that they've caused the most damage to the country out of any government ever This is why the Tories feel untouchable. They can openly screw over the population and then they know that they’re core voters don’t give a fuck and will vote for them again anyway." To be fair, the same applies to Labour too. From my point of view I'd have a great deal of trouble voting for Corbyn's Labour party and the LibDems stand no chance here. I'm not saying that means I'll vote Conservative next election but it's not an easy choice. | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
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"So, 48 Tory MPs want the world to stop while they have a vote of confidence in their leader. Followed by an electoral process likely to take weeks to complete. Meanwhile, the Article 50 clock keeps counting down. The only conceivable outcome I can see is any new PM will have to go cap in hand to the EU and delay Brexit. Why? Some of the likely candidates prefer a No Deal / WTO terms exit. It will have to pass through Parliament though which it won't. No it doesnt, the only way a no deal scenario can be avoided is for the commons to accept a deal,as no deal is a default option. Or Article 50 withdrawn. I assume that it could be withdrawn and a new one issued shortly after, thus gaining 2 years of negotiation time, from that point. I think that A50 is already being re-written as we speak to prevent such actions. Like everything that's never been done before, hindsight is a wonderful thing! Believe it or not the EU are not as preoccupied with brexit as the Brits! Also just like the UK the EU has spent a lot of money on brexit. How many millions have the UK spent on brexit £350m - which could have been spent on the NHS? Er, re-writing Article 50 would be illegal. The only way it could be changed is if an ammendment were to be put forward and each member state signed up to it." Maybe but, what ever the process it definitely needs to be looked at again. Not the triggering part but the unilateral withdrawal after triggering. | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
We all thought we would wait to see what you come up with and have a good laugh! "My plans simple; withdraw Article 50, stop the current BREXIT process. Then, in our own good time, find out if the people still want any BREXIT at all and, if they do, find out what sort of BREXIT people really want and, if it's deliverable, trigger Article 50 in a few years time with a proper plan for a workable BREXIT. | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
We all thought we would wait to see what you come up with and have a good laugh!
My plans simple; withdraw Article 50, stop the current BREXIT process. Then, in our own good time, find out if the people still want any BREXIT at all and, if they do, find out what sort of BREXIT people really want and, if it's deliverable, trigger Article 50 in a few years time with a proper plan for a workable BREXIT.
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"So, 48 Tory MPs want the world to stop while they have a vote of confidence in their leader. Followed by an electoral process likely to take weeks to complete. Meanwhile, the Article 50 clock keeps counting down. The only conceivable outcome I can see is any new PM will have to go cap in hand to the EU and delay Brexit. " Yep then it'll probably all get cancelled. Victory for the Tories! | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
"I think Boris has , and indeed , he would happily have us out with no deal . No penalties , no 39 billion for nothing , and stuff the lot of them . Europe don’t want us to leave , hence their efforts to screw us over . We need someone strong enough to say no to them . And Boris is the man to do that . | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
We all thought we would wait to see what you come up with and have a good laugh!
My plans simple; withdraw Article 50, stop the current BREXIT process. Then, in our own good time, find out if the people still want any BREXIT at all and, if they do, find out what sort of BREXIT people really want and, if it's deliverable, trigger Article 50 in a few years time with a proper plan for a workable BREXIT.
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Lets call it all off because I don't like it!
You sound a bit like a certain primeminister she says one thing and means something else, have the backbone to say what you mean! "Actually, he is right. It appears that the only true way forwards is to leave completely and set out our own stall... OK. Let's say that was the way forward here is what has to happen. 1)Revoke A50 2) Appoint a Royal Charter to report on the needs of the nation to "go it alone" 3) Start the process of planning to repatriate Agencies and Regulatory Bodies that are currently tied up in EU legislation 4) When the Royal Charter Reports and all Agencies have completed their budgets for repatriation the country will have a clear picture of the timeframe, the needs and the costs of both withdrawing and moving forwards. 5) Govt appoints a committee of national consensus to move the process forwards and once we within a two year period of being ready to withdraw, A50 is triggered. I would say that if A50 is revoked on January 01st 2019, it would take a further two years for planning and budgetary work to be completed and then a further five years to get the recruitment and skills level at the repatriated bodies up to speed. therefore withdrawal January 2026 and A50 January 2024 | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
We all thought we would wait to see what you come up with and have a good laugh!
My plans simple; withdraw Article 50, stop the current BREXIT process. Then, in our own good time, find out if the people still want any BREXIT at all and, if they do, find out what sort of BREXIT people really want and, if it's deliverable, trigger Article 50 in a few years time with a proper plan for a workable BREXIT.
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Lets call it all off because I don't like it!
You sound a bit like a certain primeminister she says one thing and means something else, have the backbone to say what you mean! "I really don't think I could say it any clearer. Stop BREXIT now. See if the people still want any BREXIT at all. If they still do come up with a proper, workable strategy and plan. When we have a strategy and plan for BREXIT trigger Article 50. | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
I think Boris has , and indeed , he would happily have us out with no deal . No penalties , no 39 billion for nothing , and stuff the lot of them .
Europe don’t want us to leave , hence their efforts to screw us over . We need someone strong enough to say no to them . And Boris is the man to do that ."It doesn’t take much to lead us out on the default. Would you rather not have someone try and find an alternative and allow a choice ? | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
We all thought we would wait to see what you come up with and have a good laugh!
My plans simple; withdraw Article 50, stop the current BREXIT process. Then, in our own good time, find out if the people still want any BREXIT at all and, if they do, find out what sort of BREXIT people really want and, if it's deliverable, trigger Article 50 in a few years time with a proper plan for a workable BREXIT.
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Lets call it all off because I don't like it!
You sound a bit like a certain primeminister she says one thing and means something else, have the backbone to say what you mean! "Still waiting for you to come up with your "something better" than May's plan. You said it wouldn't be hard. | |||
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"So, 48 Tory MPs want the world to stop while they have a vote of confidence in their leader. Followed by an electoral process likely to take weeks to complete. Meanwhile, the Article 50 clock keeps counting down. The only conceivable outcome I can see is any new PM will have to go cap in hand to the EU and delay Brexit. " Didn't the ECJ say on Monday that we don't need the EU's permission to delay or stop Brexit? | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
I think Boris has , and indeed , he would happily have us out with no deal . No penalties , no 39 billion for nothing , and stuff the lot of them .
Europe don’t want us to leave , hence their efforts to screw us over . We need someone strong enough to say no to them . And Boris is the man to do that .
It doesn’t take much to lead us out on the default. Would you rather not have someone try and find an alternative and allow a choice ? "We already had the choice. There has already been a peoples vote. The default is Leaving the EU. The question on the ballot paper in the referendum was remain or leave the EU. The people chose leave. The default still fulfills the result of the referendum as expressed with the question on the ballot paper. | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
We all thought we would wait to see what you come up with and have a good laugh!
My plans simple; withdraw Article 50, stop the current BREXIT process. Then, in our own good time, find out if the people still want any BREXIT at all and, if they do, find out what sort of BREXIT people really want and, if it's deliverable, trigger Article 50 in a few years time with a proper plan for a workable BREXIT.
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Lets call it all off because I don't like it!
You sound a bit like a certain primeminister she says one thing and means something else, have the backbone to say what you mean!
Still waiting for you to come up with your "something better" than May's plan. You said it wouldn't be hard.
"We keep the 39billion and toss them a £1 to fight over that will keep the 27 other members busy for a few years, they won't notice we have gone! | |||
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"So, 48 Tory MPs want the world to stop while they have a vote of confidence in their leader. Followed by an electoral process likely to take weeks to complete. Meanwhile, the Article 50 clock keeps counting down. The only conceivable outcome I can see is any new PM will have to go cap in hand to the EU and delay Brexit. Didn't the ECJ say on Monday that we don't need the EU's permission to delay or stop Brexit?" No. We don't need the EU's permission to withdraw Article 50, provided it's genuine. However we do need the EU's permission to extend Article 50. Odd and strange really but that's the way it is. | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
We all thought we would wait to see what you come up with and have a good laugh!
My plans simple; withdraw Article 50, stop the current BREXIT process. Then, in our own good time, find out if the people still want any BREXIT at all and, if they do, find out what sort of BREXIT people really want and, if it's deliverable, trigger Article 50 in a few years time with a proper plan for a workable BREXIT.
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Lets call it all off because I don't like it!
You sound a bit like a certain primeminister she says one thing and means something else, have the backbone to say what you mean!
Still waiting for you to come up with your "something better" than May's plan. You said it wouldn't be hard.
We keep the 39billion and toss them a £1 to fight over that will keep the 27 other members busy for a few years, they won't notice we have gone! "Contract law kicks in - we are contractually tied to EU budget until 2020 - I'm surprised an expert like you missed that! | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
I think Boris has , and indeed , he would happily have us out with no deal . No penalties , no 39 billion for nothing , and stuff the lot of them .
Europe don’t want us to leave , hence their efforts to screw us over . We need someone strong enough to say no to them . And Boris is the man to do that .
It doesn’t take much to lead us out on the default. Would you rather not have someone try and find an alternative and allow a choice ?
We already had the choice. There has already been a peoples vote. The default is Leaving the EU. The question on the ballot paper in the referendum was remain or leave the EU. The people chose leave. The default still fulfills the result of the referendum as expressed with the question on the ballot paper. "As does May's deal. We all know that the mad BREXITERS are trying to run the clock down so there is no time to do anything except fall out with 'no deal'. It isn't going to happen. It only takes a single vote in Parliament to withdraw Article 50. Come 20-March-19, if not before, if it looks like 'no deal' Parliament will vote to withdraw Article 50. The sooner you realise that the real choice is May's deal, something very like May's deal but softer or no BREXIT, the sooner you'll start to talk sence again. | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
We all thought we would wait to see what you come up with and have a good laugh!
My plans simple; withdraw Article 50, stop the current BREXIT process. Then, in our own good time, find out if the people still want any BREXIT at all and, if they do, find out what sort of BREXIT people really want and, if it's deliverable, trigger Article 50 in a few years time with a proper plan for a workable BREXIT.
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Lets call it all off because I don't like it!
You sound a bit like a certain primeminister she says one thing and means something else, have the backbone to say what you mean!
Still waiting for you to come up with your "something better" than May's plan. You said it wouldn't be hard.
We keep the 39billion and toss them a £1 to fight over that will keep the 27 other members busy for a few years, they won't notice we have gone!
Contract law kicks in - we are contractually tied to EU budget until 2020 - I'm surprised an expert like you missed that!"Not according to the House of Lords, they said we're not legally obliged to pay the EU a single penny in the event of no deal. | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
We all thought we would wait to see what you come up with and have a good laugh!
My plans simple; withdraw Article 50, stop the current BREXIT process. Then, in our own good time, find out if the people still want any BREXIT at all and, if they do, find out what sort of BREXIT people really want and, if it's deliverable, trigger Article 50 in a few years time with a proper plan for a workable BREXIT.
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Lets call it all off because I don't like it!
You sound a bit like a certain primeminister she says one thing and means something else, have the backbone to say what you mean!
Still waiting for you to come up with your "something better" than May's plan. You said it wouldn't be hard.
We keep the 39billion and toss them a £1 to fight over that will keep the 27 other members busy for a few years, they won't notice we have gone! "LOL. That's another BREXIT fantasy, that in a 'no deal' scenario we get to keep the £39 billion we owe. We don't. In fact we could actually end up owing more. £39 billion (actually the EU already reckon the amount we'll pay is closer to €70 billion) was a compromise from the EU. The EU reckons with no no deal and no compromise the amount we owe is €100+ billion. | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
We all thought we would wait to see what you come up with and have a good laugh!
My plans simple; withdraw Article 50, stop the current BREXIT process. Then, in our own good time, find out if the people still want any BREXIT at all and, if they do, find out what sort of BREXIT people really want and, if it's deliverable, trigger Article 50 in a few years time with a proper plan for a workable BREXIT.
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Lets call it all off because I don't like it!
You sound a bit like a certain primeminister she says one thing and means something else, have the backbone to say what you mean!
Still waiting for you to come up with your "something better" than May's plan. You said it wouldn't be hard.
We keep the 39billion and toss them a £1 to fight over that will keep the 27 other members busy for a few years, they won't notice we have gone!
Contract law kicks in - we are contractually tied to EU budget until 2020 - I'm surprised an expert like you missed that!"I'm an ordinary man and have never claimed to be an expert on all subjects , I leave that honour for the likes of you! | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
We all thought we would wait to see what you come up with and have a good laugh!
My plans simple; withdraw Article 50, stop the current BREXIT process. Then, in our own good time, find out if the people still want any BREXIT at all and, if they do, find out what sort of BREXIT people really want and, if it's deliverable, trigger Article 50 in a few years time with a proper plan for a workable BREXIT.
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Lets call it all off because I don't like it!
You sound a bit like a certain primeminister she says one thing and means something else, have the backbone to say what you mean!
Still waiting for you to come up with your "something better" than May's plan. You said it wouldn't be hard.
We keep the 39billion and toss them a £1 to fight over that will keep the 27 other members busy for a few years, they won't notice we have gone!
Contract law kicks in - we are contractually tied to EU budget until 2020 - I'm surprised an expert like you missed that!
Not according to the House of Lords, they said we're not legally obliged to pay the EU a single penny in the event of no deal. "It won't be the House of Lords that decides. It will be the binding court of arbitration for the trading block we are/were in that decides. The binding court of arbitration for the EU is the ECJ. | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
We all thought we would wait to see what you come up with and have a good laugh!
My plans simple; withdraw Article 50, stop the current BREXIT process. Then, in our own good time, find out if the people still want any BREXIT at all and, if they do, find out what sort of BREXIT people really want and, if it's deliverable, trigger Article 50 in a few years time with a proper plan for a workable BREXIT.
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Lets call it all off because I don't like it!
You sound a bit like a certain primeminister she says one thing and means something else, have the backbone to say what you mean!
Still waiting for you to come up with your "something better" than May's plan. You said it wouldn't be hard.
We keep the 39billion and toss them a £1 to fight over that will keep the 27 other members busy for a few years, they won't notice we have gone!
LOL.
That's another BREXIT fantasy, that in a 'no deal' scenario we get to keep the £39 billion we owe. We don't. In fact we could actually end up owing more. £39 billion (actually the EU already reckon the amount we'll pay is closer to €70 billion) was a compromise from the EU. The EU reckons with no no deal and no compromise the amount we owe is €100+ billion.
"Of course you believe everything they say!Best break in to your piggy bank if you want to pay them that will be £1.10 off the bill! | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
I think Boris has , and indeed , he would happily have us out with no deal . No penalties , no 39 billion for nothing , and stuff the lot of them .
Europe don’t want us to leave , hence their efforts to screw us over . We need someone strong enough to say no to them . And Boris is the man to do that .
It doesn’t take much to lead us out on the default. Would you rather not have someone try and find an alternative and allow a choice ?
We already had the choice. There has already been a peoples vote. The default is Leaving the EU. The question on the ballot paper in the referendum was remain or leave the EU. The people chose leave. The default still fulfills the result of the referendum as expressed with the question on the ballot paper.
As does May's deal.
We all know that the mad BREXITERS are trying to run the clock down so there is no time to do anything except fall out with 'no deal'. It isn't going to happen. It only takes a single vote in Parliament to withdraw Article 50. Come 20-March-19, if not before, if it looks like 'no deal' Parliament will vote to withdraw Article 50.
The sooner you realise that the real choice is May's deal, something very like May's deal but softer or no BREXIT, the sooner you'll start to talk sence again.
"If Parliament votes to withdraw article 50, (effectively Parliament will be voting to remain) then that puts Parliament in opposition to the will of the people. As Jacob Rees Mogg has pointed out many times every time Parliament puts itself in opposition to the people then Parliament ends up losing every time. | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
We all thought we would wait to see what you come up with and have a good laugh!
My plans simple; withdraw Article 50, stop the current BREXIT process. Then, in our own good time, find out if the people still want any BREXIT at all and, if they do, find out what sort of BREXIT people really want and, if it's deliverable, trigger Article 50 in a few years time with a proper plan for a workable BREXIT.
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Lets call it all off because I don't like it!
You sound a bit like a certain primeminister she says one thing and means something else, have the backbone to say what you mean!
Still waiting for you to come up with your "something better" than May's plan. You said it wouldn't be hard.
We keep the 39billion and toss them a £1 to fight over that will keep the 27 other members busy for a few years, they won't notice we have gone!
Contract law kicks in - we are contractually tied to EU budget until 2020 - I'm surprised an expert like you missed that!
Not according to the House of Lords, they said we're not legally obliged to pay the EU a single penny in the event of no deal.
It won't be the House of Lords that decides. It will be the binding court of arbitration for the trading block we are/were in that decides. The binding court of arbitration for the EU is the ECJ.
"In a no deal scenario we leave the EU and all its institutions, FULLY. That means we leave the EU and the ECJ on the 29th March 2019. Any subsequent rulings made by the ECJ after Brexit are meaningless to the UK because we'll no longer be under it's jurisdiction. | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
We all thought we would wait to see what you come up with and have a good laugh!
My plans simple; withdraw Article 50, stop the current BREXIT process. Then, in our own good time, find out if the people still want any BREXIT at all and, if they do, find out what sort of BREXIT people really want and, if it's deliverable, trigger Article 50 in a few years time with a proper plan for a workable BREXIT.
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Lets call it all off because I don't like it!
You sound a bit like a certain primeminister she says one thing and means something else, have the backbone to say what you mean!
Still waiting for you to come up with your "something better" than May's plan. You said it wouldn't be hard.
We keep the 39billion and toss them a £1 to fight over that will keep the 27 other members busy for a few years, they won't notice we have gone!
Contract law kicks in - we are contractually tied to EU budget until 2020 - I'm surprised an expert like you missed that!
Not according to the House of Lords, they said we're not legally obliged to pay the EU a single penny in the event of no deal.
It won't be the House of Lords that decides. It will be the binding court of arbitration for the trading block we are/were in that decides. The binding court of arbitration for the EU is the ECJ.
"We won't be in the Eu or subject to ECJ so it will be a two finger salute to that ruling! It seems like Theresa May isn't the only one who could do with a backbone and in the Eu's pocket. Perhaps you should change your name to Jean Claude! | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
I think Boris has , and indeed , he would happily have us out with no deal . No penalties , no 39 billion for nothing , and stuff the lot of them .
Europe don’t want us to leave , hence their efforts to screw us over . We need someone strong enough to say no to them . And Boris is the man to do that .
It doesn’t take much to lead us out on the default. Would you rather not have someone try and find an alternative and allow a choice ?
We already had the choice. There has already been a peoples vote. The default is Leaving the EU. The question on the ballot paper in the referendum was remain or leave the EU. The people chose leave. The default still fulfills the result of the referendum as expressed with the question on the ballot paper. "You’re arguing against a point I didn’t make. I was simply saying it doesn’t take much leadership to guide us to the default. | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
We all thought we would wait to see what you come up with and have a good laugh!
My plans simple; withdraw Article 50, stop the current BREXIT process. Then, in our own good time, find out if the people still want any BREXIT at all and, if they do, find out what sort of BREXIT people really want and, if it's deliverable, trigger Article 50 in a few years time with a proper plan for a workable BREXIT.
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Lets call it all off because I don't like it!
You sound a bit like a certain primeminister she says one thing and means something else, have the backbone to say what you mean!
Still waiting for you to come up with your "something better" than May's plan. You said it wouldn't be hard.
We keep the 39billion and toss them a £1 to fight over that will keep the 27 other members busy for a few years, they won't notice we have gone!
Contract law kicks in - we are contractually tied to EU budget until 2020 - I'm surprised an expert like you missed that!
Not according to the House of Lords, they said we're not legally obliged to pay the EU a single penny in the event of no deal.
It won't be the House of Lords that decides. It will be the binding court of arbitration for the trading block we are/were in that decides. The binding court of arbitration for the EU is the ECJ.
We won't be in the Eu or subject to ECJ so it will be a two finger salute to that ruling!
It seems like Theresa May isn't the only one who could do with a backbone and in the Eu's pocket. Perhaps you should change your name to Jean Claude! "This assumes the ECJ can’t rule on matters which occurred under its jurisdiction once we leave. The HoL legal opion was they can’t (hence the opinion of their brexit committee). Others don’t see the ECJ having this time limit. And so would see they can make a judgement. It’s not a clear and cut case (as the HoL made clear). | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
We all thought we would wait to see what you come up with and have a good laugh!
My plans simple; withdraw Article 50, stop the current BREXIT process. Then, in our own good time, find out if the people still want any BREXIT at all and, if they do, find out what sort of BREXIT people really want and, if it's deliverable, trigger Article 50 in a few years time with a proper plan for a workable BREXIT.
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Lets call it all off because I don't like it!
You sound a bit like a certain primeminister she says one thing and means something else, have the backbone to say what you mean!
Still waiting for you to come up with your "something better" than May's plan. You said it wouldn't be hard.
We keep the 39billion and toss them a £1 to fight over that will keep the 27 other members busy for a few years, they won't notice we have gone!
LOL.
That's another BREXIT fantasy, that in a 'no deal' scenario we get to keep the £39 billion we owe. We don't. In fact we could actually end up owing more. £39 billion (actually the EU already reckon the amount we'll pay is closer to €70 billion) was a compromise from the EU. The EU reckons with no no deal and no compromise the amount we owe is €100+ billion.
Of course you believe everything they say!Best break in to your piggy bank if you want to pay them that will be £1.10 off the bill! "I don't believe anything, blind belief is for BREXITERS. What I do is look at both claims in an argument and, partly based on my own experience, partly based on research into similar situations and partly based on good legal principles, I come to an opinion. So far on most BREXIT legal issues my opinion has been correct. I also try to avoid the trap of basing my opinion on what I want to happen rather than on what the weight of legal precedent and logical opinion would suggest will happen. | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
We all thought we would wait to see what you come up with and have a good laugh!
My plans simple; withdraw Article 50, stop the current BREXIT process. Then, in our own good time, find out if the people still want any BREXIT at all and, if they do, find out what sort of BREXIT people really want and, if it's deliverable, trigger Article 50 in a few years time with a proper plan for a workable BREXIT.
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Lets call it all off because I don't like it!
You sound a bit like a certain primeminister she says one thing and means something else, have the backbone to say what you mean!
Still waiting for you to come up with your "something better" than May's plan. You said it wouldn't be hard.
We keep the 39billion and toss them a £1 to fight over that will keep the 27 other members busy for a few years, they won't notice we have gone!
LOL.
That's another BREXIT fantasy, that in a 'no deal' scenario we get to keep the £39 billion we owe. We don't. In fact we could actually end up owing more. £39 billion (actually the EU already reckon the amount we'll pay is closer to €70 billion) was a compromise from the EU. The EU reckons with no no deal and no compromise the amount we owe is €100+ billion.
Of course you believe everything they say!Best break in to your piggy bank if you want to pay them that will be £1.10 off the bill!
I don't believe anything, blind belief is for BREXITERS. What I do is look at both claims in an argument and, partly based on my own experience, partly based on research into similar situations and partly based on good legal principles, I come to an opinion. So far on most BREXIT legal issues my opinion has been correct.
I also try to avoid the trap of basing my opinion on what I want to happen rather than on what the weight of legal precedent and logical opinion would suggest will happen.
"Has there been a similar situation! Have you been through brexit before, I thought it was unprecedented? So what are you basing it on? | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
We all thought we would wait to see what you come up with and have a good laugh!
My plans simple; withdraw Article 50, stop the current BREXIT process. Then, in our own good time, find out if the people still want any BREXIT at all and, if they do, find out what sort of BREXIT people really want and, if it's deliverable, trigger Article 50 in a few years time with a proper plan for a workable BREXIT.
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Lets call it all off because I don't like it!
You sound a bit like a certain primeminister she says one thing and means something else, have the backbone to say what you mean!
Still waiting for you to come up with your "something better" than May's plan. You said it wouldn't be hard.
We keep the 39billion and toss them a £1 to fight over that will keep the 27 other members busy for a few years, they won't notice we have gone!
Contract law kicks in - we are contractually tied to EU budget until 2020 - I'm surprised an expert like you missed that!
Not according to the House of Lords, they said we're not legally obliged to pay the EU a single penny in the event of no deal.
It won't be the House of Lords that decides. It will be the binding court of arbitration for the trading block we are/were in that decides. The binding court of arbitration for the EU is the ECJ.
In a no deal scenario we leave the EU and all its institutions, FULLY. That means we leave the EU and the ECJ on the 29th March 2019. Any subsequent rulings made by the ECJ after Brexit are meaningless to the UK because we'll no longer be under it's jurisdiction. "Not completely true. We'll still be bound by the legal jurisdiction of whatever jurisdiction any contracts or agreements we made were drawn up under. Just like if you draw a contracts up under US jurisdiction you're bound by that jurisdiction for as long as those contrats last. There is also the damage not paying are debts would do to our credit rating. It could cost us a lot more in the medium to long term. Not paying what you owe is never a good idea. | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
We all thought we would wait to see what you come up with and have a good laugh!
My plans simple; withdraw Article 50, stop the current BREXIT process. Then, in our own good time, find out if the people still want any BREXIT at all and, if they do, find out what sort of BREXIT people really want and, if it's deliverable, trigger Article 50 in a few years time with a proper plan for a workable BREXIT.
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Lets call it all off because I don't like it!
You sound a bit like a certain primeminister she says one thing and means something else, have the backbone to say what you mean!
Still waiting for you to come up with your "something better" than May's plan. You said it wouldn't be hard.
We keep the 39billion and toss them a £1 to fight over that will keep the 27 other members busy for a few years, they won't notice we have gone!
LOL.
That's another BREXIT fantasy, that in a 'no deal' scenario we get to keep the £39 billion we owe. We don't. In fact we could actually end up owing more. £39 billion (actually the EU already reckon the amount we'll pay is closer to €70 billion) was a compromise from the EU. The EU reckons with no no deal and no compromise the amount we owe is €100+ billion.
Of course you believe everything they say!Best break in to your piggy bank if you want to pay them that will be £1.10 off the bill!
I don't believe anything, blind belief is for BREXITERS. What I do is look at both claims in an argument and, partly based on my own experience, partly based on research into similar situations and partly based on good legal principles, I come to an opinion. So far on most BREXIT legal issues my opinion has been correct.
I also try to avoid the trap of basing my opinion on what I want to happen rather than on what the weight of legal precedent and logical opinion would suggest will happen.
Has there been a similar situation! Have you been through brexit before, I thought it was unprecedented? So what are you basing it on?"There are other situations where what was united has been legally broken up. Most of the former British Empire, Czechoslovakia, AustroHungaria, Yugoslavia, USSR, Ireland, Sudan, Eritrea, New Guinea... the list is endless. It's not exactly the same but it's a good place to start. | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
We all thought we would wait to see what you come up with and have a good laugh!
My plans simple; withdraw Article 50, stop the current BREXIT process. Then, in our own good time, find out if the people still want any BREXIT at all and, if they do, find out what sort of BREXIT people really want and, if it's deliverable, trigger Article 50 in a few years time with a proper plan for a workable BREXIT.
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Lets call it all off because I don't like it!
You sound a bit like a certain primeminister she says one thing and means something else, have the backbone to say what you mean!
Still waiting for you to come up with your "something better" than May's plan. You said it wouldn't be hard.
We keep the 39billion and toss them a £1 to fight over that will keep the 27 other members busy for a few years, they won't notice we have gone!
Contract law kicks in - we are contractually tied to EU budget until 2020 - I'm surprised an expert like you missed that!
Not according to the House of Lords, they said we're not legally obliged to pay the EU a single penny in the event of no deal.
It won't be the House of Lords that decides. It will be the binding court of arbitration for the trading block we are/were in that decides. The binding court of arbitration for the EU is the ECJ.
In a no deal scenario we leave the EU and all its institutions, FULLY. That means we leave the EU and the ECJ on the 29th March 2019. Any subsequent rulings made by the ECJ after Brexit are meaningless to the UK because we'll no longer be under it's jurisdiction. "Will the UK Supreme Court have the final say under WTO rules Centaur? How much sovereignty will we have over their rulings? | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
I think Boris has , and indeed , he would happily have us out with no deal . No penalties , no 39 billion for nothing , and stuff the lot of them .
Europe don’t want us to leave , hence their efforts to screw us over . We need someone strong enough to say no to them . And Boris is the man to do that .
It doesn’t take much to lead us out on the default. Would you rather not have someone try and find an alternative and allow a choice ?
We already had the choice. There has already been a peoples vote. The default is Leaving the EU. The question on the ballot paper in the referendum was remain or leave the EU. The people chose leave. The default still fulfills the result of the referendum as expressed with the question on the ballot paper.
As does May's deal.
We all know that the mad BREXITERS are trying to run the clock down so there is no time to do anything except fall out with 'no deal'. It isn't going to happen. It only takes a single vote in Parliament to withdraw Article 50. Come 20-March-19, if not before, if it looks like 'no deal' Parliament will vote to withdraw Article 50.
The sooner you realise that the real choice is May's deal, something very like May's deal but softer or no BREXIT, the sooner you'll start to talk sence again.
If Parliament votes to withdraw article 50, (effectively Parliament will be voting to remain) then that puts Parliament in opposition to the will of the people. As Jacob Rees Mogg has pointed out many times every time Parliament puts itself in opposition to the people then Parliament ends up losing every time. "No Centaur. It will be voting not to being hurried into a chaotic mess. There was no reason to do this in such a hurry unless you believe that the will of the UK population to go through with it is only marginal. Say 4% certain? Otherwise you'd take your time to work out your position on such a complicated matter before starting negotiations. Perhaps not you Centaur. Perhaps not you | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
I think Boris has , and indeed , he would happily have us out with no deal . No penalties , no 39 billion for nothing , and stuff the lot of them .
Europe don’t want us to leave , hence their efforts to screw us over . We need someone strong enough to say no to them . And Boris is the man to do that .
It doesn’t take much to lead us out on the default. Would you rather not have someone try and find an alternative and allow a choice ?
We already had the choice. There has already been a peoples vote. The default is Leaving the EU. The question on the ballot paper in the referendum was remain or leave the EU. The people chose leave. The default still fulfills the result of the referendum as expressed with the question on the ballot paper. "So does joining the EFTA Centaur  | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
I think Boris has , and indeed , he would happily have us out with no deal . No penalties , no 39 billion for nothing , and stuff the lot of them .
Europe don’t want us to leave , hence their efforts to screw us over . We need someone strong enough to say no to them . And Boris is the man to do that .
It doesn’t take much to lead us out on the default. Would you rather not have someone try and find an alternative and allow a choice ?
We already had the choice. There has already been a peoples vote. The default is Leaving the EU. The question on the ballot paper in the referendum was remain or leave the EU. The people chose leave. The default still fulfills the result of the referendum as expressed with the question on the ballot paper.
As does May's deal.
We all know that the mad BREXITERS are trying to run the clock down so there is no time to do anything except fall out with 'no deal'. It isn't going to happen. It only takes a single vote in Parliament to withdraw Article 50. Come 20-March-19, if not before, if it looks like 'no deal' Parliament will vote to withdraw Article 50.
The sooner you realise that the real choice is May's deal, something very like May's deal but softer or no BREXIT, the sooner you'll start to talk sence again.
If Parliament votes to withdraw article 50, (effectively Parliament will be voting to remain) then that puts Parliament in opposition to the will of the people. As Jacob Rees Mogg has pointed out many times every time Parliament puts itself in opposition to the people then Parliament ends up losing every time. "Project fear | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
We all thought we would wait to see what you come up with and have a good laugh!
My plans simple; withdraw Article 50, stop the current BREXIT process. Then, in our own good time, find out if the people still want any BREXIT at all and, if they do, find out what sort of BREXIT people really want and, if it's deliverable, trigger Article 50 in a few years time with a proper plan for a workable BREXIT.
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Lets call it all off because I don't like it!
You sound a bit like a certain primeminister she says one thing and means something else, have the backbone to say what you mean!
Still waiting for you to come up with your "something better" than May's plan. You said it wouldn't be hard.
We keep the 39billion and toss them a £1 to fight over that will keep the 27 other members busy for a few years, they won't notice we have gone!
LOL.
That's another BREXIT fantasy, that in a 'no deal' scenario we get to keep the £39 billion we owe. We don't. In fact we could actually end up owing more. £39 billion (actually the EU already reckon the amount we'll pay is closer to €70 billion) was a compromise from the EU. The EU reckons with no no deal and no compromise the amount we owe is €100+ billion.
Of course you believe everything they say!Best break in to your piggy bank if you want to pay them that will be £1.10 off the bill!
I don't believe anything, blind belief is for BREXITERS. What I do is look at both claims in an argument and, partly based on my own experience, partly based on research into similar situations and partly based on good legal principles, I come to an opinion. So far on most BREXIT legal issues my opinion has been correct.
I also try to avoid the trap of basing my opinion on what I want to happen rather than on what the weight of legal precedent and logical opinion would suggest will happen.
Has there been a similar situation! Have you been through brexit before, I thought it was unprecedented? So what are you basing it on?
There are other situations where what was united has been legally broken up. Most of the former British Empire, Czechoslovakia, AustroHungaria, Yugoslavia, USSR, Ireland, Sudan, Eritrea, New Guinea... the list is endless.
It's not exactly the same but it's a good place to start."We are trying to leave a trading block not split the country up! | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
We all thought we would wait to see what you come up with and have a good laugh!
My plans simple; withdraw Article 50, stop the current BREXIT process. Then, in our own good time, find out if the people still want any BREXIT at all and, if they do, find out what sort of BREXIT people really want and, if it's deliverable, trigger Article 50 in a few years time with a proper plan for a workable BREXIT.
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Lets call it all off because I don't like it!
You sound a bit like a certain primeminister she says one thing and means something else, have the backbone to say what you mean!
Still waiting for you to come up with your "something better" than May's plan. You said it wouldn't be hard.
We keep the 39billion and toss them a £1 to fight over that will keep the 27 other members busy for a few years, they won't notice we have gone!
Contract law kicks in - we are contractually tied to EU budget until 2020 - I'm surprised an expert like you missed that!
Not according to the House of Lords, they said we're not legally obliged to pay the EU a single penny in the event of no deal. "You don't take in information do you?
"However, the strictly legal position of the UK on this issue appears to be strong.
Article 50 provides for a ‘guillotine’ after two years if a withdrawal agreement
is not reached unless all Member States, including the UK, agree to extend
negotiations. Although there are competing interpretations, we conclude that
if agreement is not reached, all EU law—including provisions concerning
ongoing financial contributions and machinery for adjudication—will cease
to apply, and the UK would be subject to no enforceable obligation to make
any financial contribution at all. This would be undesirable for the remaining
Member States, who would have to decide how to plug the hole in the budget
created by the UK’s exit without any kind of transition. It would also damage
the prospects of reaching friendly agreement on other issues. Nonetheless, the
ultimate possibility of the UK walking away from negotiations without incurring
financial commitments provides an important context.
Given the legal and political void that would be created by a disorderly exit,
we share the Government’s view of the advantages of achieving a negotiated
agreement. This is particularly the case given the provision in Article 50 for a
withdrawal agreement to take account of the framework for an exiting state’s
future relationship with the Union. If the Government wishes to include future
market access on favourable terms as part of the discussions on the withdrawal
agreement, it is likely to prove impossible to do so without also reaching
agreement on the issue of the budget."
Firstly it's an opinion. There are also opposing opinions. That's what litigation is about.
They also say that you can choose not to pau but you'd be a numpty if you didn't.
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
We all thought we would wait to see what you come up with and have a good laugh!
My plans simple; withdraw Article 50, stop the current BREXIT process. Then, in our own good time, find out if the people still want any BREXIT at all and, if they do, find out what sort of BREXIT people really want and, if it's deliverable, trigger Article 50 in a few years time with a proper plan for a workable BREXIT.
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Lets call it all off because I don't like it!
You sound a bit like a certain primeminister she says one thing and means something else, have the backbone to say what you mean!
Still waiting for you to come up with your "something better" than May's plan. You said it wouldn't be hard.
We keep the 39billion and toss them a £1 to fight over that will keep the 27 other members busy for a few years, they won't notice we have gone!
LOL.
That's another BREXIT fantasy, that in a 'no deal' scenario we get to keep the £39 billion we owe. We don't. In fact we could actually end up owing more. £39 billion (actually the EU already reckon the amount we'll pay is closer to €70 billion) was a compromise from the EU. The EU reckons with no no deal and no compromise the amount we owe is €100+ billion.
Of course you believe everything they say!Best break in to your piggy bank if you want to pay them that will be £1.10 off the bill!
I don't believe anything, blind belief is for BREXITERS. What I do is look at both claims in an argument and, partly based on my own experience, partly based on research into similar situations and partly based on good legal principles, I come to an opinion. So far on most BREXIT legal issues my opinion has been correct.
I also try to avoid the trap of basing my opinion on what I want to happen rather than on what the weight of legal precedent and logical opinion would suggest will happen.
Has there been a similar situation! Have you been through brexit before, I thought it was unprecedented? So what are you basing it on?
There are other situations where what was united has been legally broken up. Most of the former British Empire, Czechoslovakia, AustroHungaria, Yugoslavia, USSR, Ireland, Sudan, Eritrea, New Guinea... the list is endless.
It's not exactly the same but it's a good place to start.
We are trying to leave a trading block not split the country up!"Which part of "It's not exactly the same but it's a good place to start" didn't you understand. | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
We all thought we would wait to see what you come up with and have a good laugh!
My plans simple; withdraw Article 50, stop the current BREXIT process. Then, in our own good time, find out if the people still want any BREXIT at all and, if they do, find out what sort of BREXIT people really want and, if it's deliverable, trigger Article 50 in a few years time with a proper plan for a workable BREXIT.
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Lets call it all off because I don't like it!
You sound a bit like a certain primeminister she says one thing and means something else, have the backbone to say what you mean!
Still waiting for you to come up with your "something better" than May's plan. You said it wouldn't be hard.
We keep the 39billion and toss them a £1 to fight over that will keep the 27 other members busy for a few years, they won't notice we have gone!
LOL.
That's another BREXIT fantasy, that in a 'no deal' scenario we get to keep the £39 billion we owe. We don't. In fact we could actually end up owing more. £39 billion (actually the EU already reckon the amount we'll pay is closer to €70 billion) was a compromise from the EU. The EU reckons with no no deal and no compromise the amount we owe is €100+ billion.
Of course you believe everything they say!Best break in to your piggy bank if you want to pay them that will be £1.10 off the bill!
I don't believe anything, blind belief is for BREXITERS. What I do is look at both claims in an argument and, partly based on my own experience, partly based on research into similar situations and partly based on good legal principles, I come to an opinion. So far on most BREXIT legal issues my opinion has been correct.
I also try to avoid the trap of basing my opinion on what I want to happen rather than on what the weight of legal precedent and logical opinion would suggest will happen.
Has there been a similar situation! Have you been through brexit before, I thought it was unprecedented? So what are you basing it on?
There are other situations where what was united has been legally broken up. Most of the former British Empire, Czechoslovakia, AustroHungaria, Yugoslavia, USSR, Ireland, Sudan, Eritrea, New Guinea... the list is endless.
It's not exactly the same but it's a good place to start.
We are trying to leave a trading block not split the country up!"Yet, ironically, we are set to break up the UK by accident | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
We all thought we would wait to see what you come up with and have a good laugh!
My plans simple; withdraw Article 50, stop the current BREXIT process. Then, in our own good time, find out if the people still want any BREXIT at all and, if they do, find out what sort of BREXIT people really want and, if it's deliverable, trigger Article 50 in a few years time with a proper plan for a workable BREXIT.
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Lets call it all off because I don't like it!
You sound a bit like a certain primeminister she says one thing and means something else, have the backbone to say what you mean!
Still waiting for you to come up with your "something better" than May's plan. You said it wouldn't be hard.
We keep the 39billion and toss them a £1 to fight over that will keep the 27 other members busy for a few years, they won't notice we have gone!
LOL.
That's another BREXIT fantasy, that in a 'no deal' scenario we get to keep the £39 billion we owe. We don't. In fact we could actually end up owing more. £39 billion (actually the EU already reckon the amount we'll pay is closer to €70 billion) was a compromise from the EU. The EU reckons with no no deal and no compromise the amount we owe is €100+ billion.
Of course you believe everything they say!Best break in to your piggy bank if you want to pay them that will be £1.10 off the bill!
I don't believe anything, blind belief is for BREXITERS. What I do is look at both claims in an argument and, partly based on my own experience, partly based on research into similar situations and partly based on good legal principles, I come to an opinion. So far on most BREXIT legal issues my opinion has been correct.
I also try to avoid the trap of basing my opinion on what I want to happen rather than on what the weight of legal precedent and logical opinion would suggest will happen.
Has there been a similar situation! Have you been through brexit before, I thought it was unprecedented? So what are you basing it on?
There are other situations where what was united has been legally broken up. Most of the former British Empire, Czechoslovakia, AustroHungaria, Yugoslavia, USSR, Ireland, Sudan, Eritrea, New Guinea... the list is endless.
It's not exactly the same but it's a good place to start.
We are trying to leave a trading block not split the country up!
Which part of "It's not exactly the same but it's a good place to start" didn't you understand.
"Here we go again if you support brexit you must be thick, you forgot to add the racist bit too! As with most things in life one persons interpretation of legal matters especially on complicated matters is not anothers. Having recently been involved in a legal case in which the defendants solicitor said my case had no substance and they were "embarrassed to respond" blah blah blah I can confirm this, they settled 3days before we went to court! | |||
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
We all thought we would wait to see what you come up with and have a good laugh!
My plans simple; withdraw Article 50, stop the current BREXIT process. Then, in our own good time, find out if the people still want any BREXIT at all and, if they do, find out what sort of BREXIT people really want and, if it's deliverable, trigger Article 50 in a few years time with a proper plan for a workable BREXIT.
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Lets call it all off because I don't like it!
You sound a bit like a certain primeminister she says one thing and means something else, have the backbone to say what you mean!
Still waiting for you to come up with your "something better" than May's plan. You said it wouldn't be hard.
We keep the 39billion and toss them a £1 to fight over that will keep the 27 other members busy for a few years, they won't notice we have gone!
LOL.
That's another BREXIT fantasy, that in a 'no deal' scenario we get to keep the £39 billion we owe. We don't. In fact we could actually end up owing more. £39 billion (actually the EU already reckon the amount we'll pay is closer to €70 billion) was a compromise from the EU. The EU reckons with no no deal and no compromise the amount we owe is €100+ billion.
Of course you believe everything they say!Best break in to your piggy bank if you want to pay them that will be £1.10 off the bill!
I don't believe anything, blind belief is for BREXITERS. What I do is look at both claims in an argument and, partly based on my own experience, partly based on research into similar situations and partly based on good legal principles, I come to an opinion. So far on most BREXIT legal issues my opinion has been correct.
I also try to avoid the trap of basing my opinion on what I want to happen rather than on what the weight of legal precedent and logical opinion would suggest will happen.
Has there been a similar situation! Have you been through brexit before, I thought it was unprecedented? So what are you basing it on?
There are other situations where what was united has been legally broken up. Most of the former British Empire, Czechoslovakia, AustroHungaria, Yugoslavia, USSR, Ireland, Sudan, Eritrea, New Guinea... the list is endless.
It's not exactly the same but it's a good place to start.
We are trying to leave a trading block not split the country up!
Which part of "It's not exactly the same but it's a good place to start" didn't you understand.
Here we go again if you support brexit you must be thick, you forgot to add the racist bit too!
As with most things in life one persons interpretation of legal matters especially on complicated matters is not anothers.
Having recently been involved in a legal case in which the defendants solicitor said my case had no substance and they were "embarrassed to respond" blah blah blah I can confirm this, they settled 3days before we went to court! "So people with weak hands bluff, before ceding at the last minute. Familiar ? 
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"Strange how some on here rubbish those who are responsible for the negotiation. I wonder what achievements they have achieved (If any) in their lifetime? There must be some amazingly successful people on here! Lol, so says someone who has been calling them idiots etc for months but now it suits they are great negotiators! The deal negotiated is awful it wouldn't be hard to come up with something better but what do you expect when the person overseeing it all is in the Eu's back pocket!
Then why hasn't Mogg, BoJo, Fararge, Corbyn, McDonald or you come forward with something better? What are you and they all waiting for?
We all thought we would wait to see what you come up with and have a good laugh!
My plans simple; withdraw Article 50, stop the current BREXIT process. Then, in our own good time, find out if the people still want any BREXIT at all and, if they do, find out what sort of BREXIT people really want and, if it's deliverable, trigger Article 50 in a few years time with a proper plan for a workable BREXIT.
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Lets call it all off because I don't like it!
You sound a bit like a certain primeminister she says one thing and means something else, have the backbone to say what you mean!
Still waiting for you to come up with your "something better" than May's plan. You said it wouldn't be hard.
We keep the 39billion and toss them a £1 to fight over that will keep the 27 other members busy for a few years, they won't notice we have gone!
Contract law kicks in - we are contractually tied to EU budget until 2020 - I'm surprised an expert like you missed that!
Not according to the House of Lords, they said we're not legally obliged to pay the EU a single penny in the event of no deal. "Ok let's explain it - you sign a contract which is basically a "promissory note" to pay for something for a specific period. (Mortgage for example). You can cancel the contract early but there is always a penalty clause and as we all know our government has cancelled and paid huge sums for cancelling projects. It's legally binding. Still not getting it? We the British have civil servants "seconded to the EU " - behind the scenes to shuffle paper. We have been in the EU 45yrs - FARAGE has been there half of that time - who is going to pay his pension when he leaves? Simple enough to comprehend now? We are, we have a promise to pay him ( sadly), all the others elected MEP'S and civil servants working in the EU for years and years - until the last one dies! That's what the £39bn is all about. Why do you think the EU won't go beyond 31/12/20 (transition period)?That's when the old budget which we committed to runs out! So that's why I say contract law kicks in - and also why the chancellor always says we will pay out legal liabilities! Oh on a final note, just imagine the global damage we would incur, if we reneged on not paying our contracts. Every foreign investor, would be queuing up to sell their "promisory notes" - bonds, the UK would be a "junk" investment. | |||
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"That would be a constructive Brexit. You are trying to convince those who want a wrecking Brexit. This is about more than doing what is in the interests of the UK. It is also about maximising the collateral damage in the process. That is the agenda of those with a real chip on their shoulder about the EU. It is also part of the Putin/Trump axis." as finally confessed a few days previously by two of the regular far right extremists on these threads, they voted for brexit because they spitefully want to punish people who have a marginally better paid job than they have | |||
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"brexit tory mep's have been caught with their hands in the till .... again! this time misappropriating tax payers money and spending it on lavish parties disguised as conferences in exotic locations around the world that have no bearing on european matters whatsoever these little brexcrement piggies just can't help themselves when it comes to snouts in the trough" Where is this info please? | |||
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"Difficult decision time for Tory MPs , Jeremy Corbyn has called a vote of confidence in the PM , in order for the torys who voted no confidence in her to run their party last week , they now have to vote with Corbyn , or they will show they were simply playing politics , how can they claim she not fit to run their party but is fit to run the country ,, " bet a lot of them fail to turn up, bit of a mass sickie .. those who do side with Labour may well suffer from their constituencies.. | |||
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"Difficult decision time for Tory MPs , Jeremy Corbyn has called a vote of confidence in the PM , in order for the torys who voted no confidence in her to run their party last week , they now have to vote with Corbyn , or they will show they were simply playing politics , how can they claim she not fit to run their party but is fit to run the country ,, bet a lot of them fail to turn up, bit of a mass sickie .. those who do side with Labour may well suffer from their constituencies.." . Maybe a good day for erg Tory MPs to turn up for photo opportunities at food banks to show how much they care | |||
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"Difficult decision time for Tory MPs , Jeremy Corbyn has called a vote of confidence in the PM , in order for the torys who voted no confidence in her to run their party last week , they now have to vote with Corbyn , or they will show they were simply playing politics , how can they claim she not fit to run their party but is fit to run the country ,, bet a lot of them fail to turn up, bit of a mass sickie .. those who do side with Labour may well suffer from their constituencies... Maybe a good day for erg Tory MPs to turn up for photo opportunities at food banks to show how much they care" somehow i cant see Mogg at a soup kitchen.. then again it is Christmas.. | |||
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"Difficult decision time for Tory MPs , Jeremy Corbyn has called a vote of confidence in the PM , in order for the torys who voted no confidence in her to run their party last week , they now have to vote with Corbyn , or they will show they were simply playing politics , how can they claim she not fit to run their party but is fit to run the country ,, bet a lot of them fail to turn up, bit of a mass sickie .. those who do side with Labour may well suffer from their constituencies... Maybe a good day for erg Tory MPs to turn up for photo opportunities at food banks to show how much they care somehow i cant see Mogg at a soup kitchen.. then again it is Christmas.." Mogg said today in Parliament that he now had confidence in May ERG have said they will vote against Labour motion...shysters one and all | |||
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"Difficult decision time for Tory MPs , Jeremy Corbyn has called a vote of confidence in the PM , in order for the torys who voted no confidence in her to run their party last week , they now have to vote with Corbyn , or they will show they were simply playing politics , how can they claim she not fit to run their party but is fit to run the country ,, bet a lot of them fail to turn up, bit of a mass sickie .. those who do side with Labour may well suffer from their constituencies... Maybe a good day for erg Tory MPs to turn up for photo opportunities at food banks to show how much they care somehow i cant see Mogg at a soup kitchen.. then again it is Christmas.. Mogg said today in Parliament that he now had confidence in May ERG have said they will vote against Labour motion...shysters one and all" I’m hoping this is a miss quite And what he said is he still has no confidence in May but respects the will of the tories. After all it takes 20 years to change your mind etc etc | |||
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"Difficult decision time for Tory MPs , Jeremy Corbyn has called a vote of confidence in the PM , in order for the torys who voted no confidence in her to run their party last week , they now have to vote with Corbyn , or they will show they were simply playing politics , how can they claim she not fit to run their party but is fit to run the country ,, bet a lot of them fail to turn up, bit of a mass sickie .. those who do side with Labour may well suffer from their constituencies... Maybe a good day for erg Tory MPs to turn up for photo opportunities at food banks to show how much they care somehow i cant see Mogg at a soup kitchen.. then again it is Christmas.. Mogg said today in Parliament that he now had confidence in May ERG have said they will vote against Labour motion...shysters one and all" Maybe he meant the month, when push comes to shove they will look after themselves.. | |||
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"Difficult decision time for Tory MPs , Jeremy Corbyn has called a vote of confidence in the PM , in order for the torys who voted no confidence in her to run their party last week , they now have to vote with Corbyn , or they will show they were simply playing politics , how can they claim she not fit to run their party but is fit to run the country ,, bet a lot of them fail to turn up, bit of a mass sickie .. those who do side with Labour may well suffer from their constituencies... Maybe a good day for erg Tory MPs to turn up for photo opportunities at food banks to show how much they care somehow i cant see Mogg at a soup kitchen.. then again it is Christmas.. Mogg said today in Parliament that he now had confidence in May ERG have said they will vote against Labour motion...shysters one and all Maybe he meant the month, when push comes to shove they will look after themselves.. " are you real do you really think they are going to vote with corbyn? Can't believe some people on here.Corbyn should be putting the country first instead of trying to score petty meaningless points. I don't think that the electorate will forget come polling day. | |||
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"Difficult decision time for Tory MPs , Jeremy Corbyn has called a vote of confidence in the PM , in order for the torys who voted no confidence in her to run their party last week , they now have to vote with Corbyn , or they will show they were simply playing politics , how can they claim she not fit to run their party but is fit to run the country ,, bet a lot of them fail to turn up, bit of a mass sickie .. those who do side with Labour may well suffer from their constituencies... Maybe a good day for erg Tory MPs to turn up for photo opportunities at food banks to show how much they care somehow i cant see Mogg at a soup kitchen.. then again it is Christmas.. Mogg said today in Parliament that he now had confidence in May ERG have said they will vote against Labour motion...shysters one and all Maybe he meant the month, when push comes to shove they will look after themselves.. are you real do you really think they are going to vote with corbyn? Can't believe some people on here.Corbyn should be putting the country first instead of trying to score petty meaningless points. I don't think that the electorate will forget come polling day." . Last week 117 Conservative MPs voted no confidence in their own PM , if Labour were to bring a similar motion it would be interesting to see how many of the 117 stand by their original decision or how many will back down and show no back bone , something , like you say , and I totally agree with , their electorate may not forget come the next General Election . Corbyn has called for a vote in the PM believing this maybe winnerble as he wont need too many of the 117 to be honourable , The Conservative Party want Labour to change their motion to no confidence in the government (not the PM) so the 117 can vote along party lines saying they were voting for something different to last week , so there's only one party 'playing games' , I would also imagine that the DUP are also looking closely at this , they would find it difficult to vote for the PM but would find it easier to vote for the government ( if they play their cards right they may even be able to negotiate a bit more cash from the magic money tree) | |||
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