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"So bearing in mind all of the political shenanigans and upheaval of recent hours, days and weeks - what do you think might happen next? Parliament and the country is deadlocked Theresa May’s credibility is ebbing away by the hour I will start... I think that Theresa May has some dignity (somewhere) and that towards the end of this week or early next week she will realise and accept that she has run out road and the country is running out of time. She won’t fuck the Conservatives, but she will resign to open the door for another Conservative Prime Minister to try to salvage something in the remaining three months. Where that will lead - who knows, but my short term prediction is that she must fall on her sword to protect the Conservative Party. " Agree that Theresa May will go. I think she'll do a tour around Europe asking for concessions on the backstop but it won't be anything meaningful and will only tinker around the edges. She'll come back and put it to vote in Parliament. Parliament will reject her deal and the Labour party will call a vote of no confidence in the government. The government will win the vote of no confidence with the backing of the DUP. Then after that the rebel tories will have the numbers for a vote of no confidence in the Tory leadership. She will then either resign or lose the confidence vote in her leadership and a new Brexiteer Tory leader will come in as Prime minister. | |||
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"So bearing in mind all of the political shenanigans and upheaval of recent hours, days and weeks - what do you think might happen next? Parliament and the country is deadlocked Theresa May’s credibility is ebbing away by the hour I will start... I think that Theresa May has some dignity (somewhere) and that towards the end of this week or early next week she will realise and accept that she has run out road and the country is running out of time. She won’t fuck the Conservatives, but she will resign to open the door for another Conservative Prime Minister to try to salvage something in the remaining three months. Where that will lead - who knows, but my short term prediction is that she must fall on her sword to protect the Conservative Party. Agree that Theresa May will go. I think she'll do a tour around Europe asking for concessions on the backstop but it won't be anything meaningful and will only tinker around the edges. She'll come back and put it to vote in Parliament. Parliament will reject her deal and the Labour party will call a vote of no confidence in the government. The government will win the vote of no confidence with the backing of the DUP. Then after that the rebel tories will have the numbers for a vote of no confidence in the Tory leadership. She will then either resign or lose the confidence vote in her leadership and a new Brexiteer Tory leader will come in as Prime minister. " I think that's probably about the most plausible thing you've said in a long, long time. Personally I'm not making ant predictions about May's leadership yet but I will predict this. It will make absolutely no difference to the deal or the choices before Parliament regardless whether she stays or goes. | |||
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"No Sophie! The Tories need to be made own this shitfest! A General Election lets them off the hook! This is all the fault of power hungry Tories. The time has come for them to be forced to own in full the consequences of their policies." And the alternative is ? | |||
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"No Sophie! The Tories need to be made own this shitfest! A General Election lets them off the hook! This is all the fault of power hungry Tories. The time has come for them to be forced to own in full the consequences of their policies. And the alternative is ? " Effigies on bonfires next November?  | |||
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"No Sophie! The Tories need to be made own this shitfest! A General Election lets them off the hook! This is all the fault of power hungry Tories. The time has come for them to be forced to own in full the consequences of their policies. And the alternative is ? Effigies on bonfires next November? "Yeah, you’re probably right,nasty conservatives, burn her “ she’s a witch”  | |||
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"No Sophie! The Tories need to be made own this shitfest! A General Election lets them off the hook! This is all the fault of power hungry Tories. The time has come for them to be forced to own in full the consequences of their policies. And the alternative is ? Effigies on bonfires next November?
Yeah, you’re probably right,nasty conservatives, burn her “ she’s a witch” "Nah then they might have to stop burning effigies of Maggie! Else the bonfire might get out of hand  | |||
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"No Sophie! The Tories need to be made own this shitfest! A General Election lets them off the hook! This is all the fault of power hungry Tories. The time has come for them to be forced to own in full the consequences of their policies. And the alternative is ? Effigies on bonfires next November?
Yeah, you’re probably right,nasty conservatives, burn her “ she’s a witch”
Nah then they might have to stop burning effigies of Maggie! Else the bonfire might get out of hand "No they’ll never stop burning poor Maggie, look at all the people suffering calcium deficiency because of her decision to take away their milk | |||
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"May will go, hopefully sooner rather than later, and the Tories will continue to implode. It will come down to having a ‘people’s vote’ or a general election. I want to see Corbyn in but I think he should call for an election, standing for a Brexit deal that focuses on jobs and rights, but want another referendum, which would clear the mess with a remain vote. Tories would be splintered, an election would have to be called, and Labour could deliver on their manifesto for the many not the few ???" Yeah, as long as they keep Diane Abbott away from the finances | |||
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"May will go, hopefully sooner rather than later, and the Tories will continue to implode. It will come down to having a ‘people’s vote’ or a general election. I want to see Corbyn in but I think he should call for an election, standing for a Brexit deal that focuses on jobs and rights, but want another referendum, which would clear the mess with a remain vote. Tories would be splintered, an election would have to be called, and Labour could deliver on their manifesto for the many not the few ???" Corbyn can not call for an election. We have such a thing as the Fixed Term Parliament act. He can attempt to move a motion of no confidence, but would need to be sure that he could win it, which, in all reality seems rather unlikely. He is also not interested in delivering on the referendum. He is only interested in himself. His position would also betray the vote as he wants to keep free movement, membership of the single market and the customs union - and his renationalisation plans, which would bankrupt the country, are not permissable under EU rules. Corbyn would be an utter disaster for this country. The last Labour lot were bad enough with the countries financed, but Cornyn and McDonnell should not be allowed anywhere near the treasury. | |||
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"I'm beginning to wonder if some pro-eu MP's from labour and the Tories might defect to the libs" The who?! The lib debs? They still about? Considering they were the only party to actually be against Brexit, I don’t think I’ve seen or heard anything of them recently. But yes, perhaps they could rise from this shambles along with a bunch of defected MPs and actually get somewhere. -Matt | |||
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"May will go, hopefully sooner rather than later, and the Tories will continue to implode. It will come down to having a ‘people’s vote’ or a general election. I want to see Corbyn in but I think he should call for an election, standing for a Brexit deal that focuses on jobs and rights, but want another referendum, which would clear the mess with a remain vote. Tories would be splintered, an election would have to be called, and Labour could deliver on their manifesto for the many not the few ??? Corbyn can not call for an election. We have such a thing as the Fixed Term Parliament act. He can attempt to move a motion of no confidence, but would need to be sure that he could win it, which, in all reality seems rather unlikely. He is also not interested in delivering on the referendum. He is only interested in himself. His position would also betray the vote as he wants to keep free movement, membership of the single market and the customs union - and his renationalisation plans, which would bankrupt the country, are not permissable under EU rules. Corbyn would be an utter disaster for this country. The last Labour lot were bad enough with the countries financed, but Cornyn and McDonnell should not be allowed anywhere near the treasury." I won't be voting Labour while it's policy is only to govern in the interests of the many and not the interests of all. However some of what you say is incorrect. The Labour party policy is not to remain in THE single market and THE customs union but A single market and A customs union (not sure how different that is but it is different). Labour's official policy is not in favour of free movement; Labour has said it will end free movement. It's also not true that the EU would block Labour's renationalisation plans; It won't. The EU doesn't care who owns different companies, however it won't allow businesses to be nationalised without proper compensation or for those nationalised companies to be unfairly subsidised. | |||
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"May will go, hopefully sooner rather than later, and the Tories will continue to implode. It will come down to having a ‘people’s vote’ or a general election. I want to see Corbyn in but I think he should call for an election, standing for a Brexit deal that focuses on jobs and rights, but want another referendum, which would clear the mess with a remain vote. Tories would be splintered, an election would have to be called, and Labour could deliver on their manifesto for the many not the few ??? Corbyn can not call for an election. We have such a thing as the Fixed Term Parliament act. He can attempt to move a motion of no confidence, but would need to be sure that he could win it, which, in all reality seems rather unlikely. He is also not interested in delivering on the referendum. He is only interested in himself. His position would also betray the vote as he wants to keep free movement, membership of the single market and the customs union - and his renationalisation plans, which would bankrupt the country, are not permissable under EU rules. Corbyn would be an utter disaster for this country. The last Labour lot were bad enough with the countries financed, but Cornyn and McDonnell should not be allowed anywhere near the treasury." I am no Labour supporter but actually the last time that the U.K. Govt was operating a surplus, rather than a deficit, was under the last Labour Government. The financial crash of 2007/2008 was not the fault of the Labour Govt. | |||
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"May will go, hopefully sooner rather than later, and the Tories will continue to implode. It will come down to having a ‘people’s vote’ or a general election. I want to see Corbyn in but I think he should call for an election, standing for a Brexit deal that focuses on jobs and rights, but want another referendum, which would clear the mess with a remain vote. Tories would be splintered, an election would have to be called, and Labour could deliver on their manifesto for the many not the few ??? Corbyn can not call for an election. We have such a thing as the Fixed Term Parliament act. He can attempt to move a motion of no confidence, but would need to be sure that he could win it, which, in all reality seems rather unlikely. He is also not interested in delivering on the referendum. He is only interested in himself. His position would also betray the vote as he wants to keep free movement, membership of the single market and the customs union - and his renationalisation plans, which would bankrupt the country, are not permissable under EU rules. Corbyn would be an utter disaster for this country. The last Labour lot were bad enough with the countries financed, but Cornyn and McDonnell should not be allowed anywhere near the treasury. I won't be voting Labour while it's policy is only to govern in the interests of the many and not the interests of all. However some of what you say is incorrect. The Labour party policy is not to remain in THE single market and THE customs union but A single market and A customs union (not sure how different that is but it is different). Labour's official policy is not in favour of free movement; Labour has said it will end free movement. It's also not true that the EU would block Labour's renationalisation plans; It won't. The EU doesn't care who owns different companies, however it won't allow businesses to be nationalised without proper compensation or for those nationalised companies to be unfairly subsidised. " True Nationalisation that existed 50 years ago would no happen these days. The EU would insist on certain elements of "open access" and full and fair compensation. Outside of the EU, any state subsidy to a nationalised industry would inevitably fall foul of trade arrangements and agreements. | |||
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"True Nationalisation that existed 50 years ago would no happen these days. The EU would insist on certain elements of "open access" and full and fair compensation. Outside of the EU, any state subsidy to a nationalised industry would inevitably fall foul of trade arrangements and agreements." Do you realise we give larger subsidies to the private rail operators than we did to British Rail? | |||
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"It's going to be thrown back to the people to decide their future . .. "there isn't one MP currently worth any vote What would you out your cross against Hopeless Helpless Hapless Bin the lot of them and start again. | |||
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"It's going to be thrown back to the people to decide their future . .. there isn't one MP currently worth any vote
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Bin the lot of them and start again. "Yes it's a sad state of affairs - but we started it and created a monster, which is now engulfing us. You reap what you sow! | |||
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"May will go, hopefully sooner rather than later, and the Tories will continue to implode. It will come down to having a ‘people’s vote’ or a general election. I want to see Corbyn in but I think he should call for an election, standing for a Brexit deal that focuses on jobs and rights, but want another referendum, which would clear the mess with a remain vote. Tories would be splintered, an election would have to be called, and Labour could deliver on their manifesto for the many not the few ???" Labour's slogan is "for the many, not the Jew", isn't it. | |||
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"May will go, hopefully sooner rather than later, and the Tories will continue to implode. It will come down to having a ‘people’s vote’ or a general election. I want to see Corbyn in but I think he should call for an election, standing for a Brexit deal that focuses on jobs and rights, but want another referendum, which would clear the mess with a remain vote. Tories would be splintered, an election would have to be called, and Labour could deliver on their manifesto for the many not the few ??? Labour's slogan is "for the many, not the Jew", isn't it. " Flogging this dead horse still? | |||
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"May will go, hopefully sooner rather than later, and the Tories will continue to implode. It will come down to having a ‘people’s vote’ or a general election. I want to see Corbyn in but I think he should call for an election, standing for a Brexit deal that focuses on jobs and rights, but want another referendum, which would clear the mess with a remain vote. Tories would be splintered, an election would have to be called, and Labour could deliver on their manifesto for the many not the few ??? Labour's slogan is "for the many, not the Jew", isn't it. " Ah well, at least your predictable Centy!  | |||
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"Expect the SNP to sieze the initiative from Labour tomorrow, and table a "No Confidence" motion. " Perhaps but it won't succeed ..not at this moment ..neither will a leadership challenge within the Tory party  | |||
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"Expect the SNP to sieze the initiative from Labour tomorrow, and table a "No Confidence" motion. Perhaps but it won't succeed ..not at this moment ..neither will a leadership challenge within the Tory party "I agree. It's more of trying to look like the party of action. | |||
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"My take May comes back with some cosmetic changes. Everyone sees through them. There's a vote in Jan and she loses. She then says she will resign when the tories have elected a new leader. Whilst that election is going on. Labour tables a no confidence motion. The DUP Don't support it and it loses. Labour are then able to say that as they can't force an election and as the alternatives are now no deal or a referendum, they will support a referendum. Parliament then votes to extend article 50 and call a referendum. " could well happen.. they have the option to explore it, then later they can say to their leave voters that they at least did try and exit if any referendum goes with remain.. | |||
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"My take May comes back with some cosmetic changes. Everyone sees through them. There's a vote in Jan and she loses. She then says she will resign when the tories have elected a new leader. Whilst that election is going on. Labour tables a no confidence motion. The DUP Don't support it and it loses. Labour are then able to say that as they can't force an election and as the alternatives are now no deal or a referendum, they will support a referendum. Parliament then votes to extend article 50 and call a referendum. could well happen.. they have the option to explore it, then later they can say to their leave voters that they at least did try and exit if any referendum goes with remain.. " I think that's labour's plan. They know they won't get any better brexit deal than may, but to keep leave voters on board they have to pretend they can. They also know the DUP won't vote to put corbyn in power and that consequently any no confidence vote will fail. Hence their bluff will never be called on the "we can get a better deal" line. When all that's left is referendum or no deal, they can say "the tories have left us in such a mess that a referendum is the only way to avoid a disastrous no deal hence, we will have to support one." | |||
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"No Sophie! The Tories need to be made own this shitfest! A General Election lets them off the hook! This is all the fault of power hungry Tories. The time has come for them to be forced to own in full the consequences of their policies." I 100% agree that the Conservative party has to completely own the mess that is Brexit - that they started and also have messed-up, to the extent that is currently at. I'd like a general election, if the public blames the conservatives sufficiently, to take away their power. I don't know what the other parties would campaign on but know what I'd do, if running - that would be to rescind Article 50 immediately and to remain in the EU: sadly, I'm not in power and this thread is asking for a prediction. Labour for the many - not the few. I think some have misunderstood this to mean that they're only for some of the population: it's strange, as I'd always understood it as 'Labour for the many - not just the few'. The interesting point is whether there will be a new conservative PM who will be given the poison chalice too, as brexit isn't resolved/cancelled. May wants to hang on for as long as she possibly can - she'd obviously be displaced by others but whether she will actually have the dignity to resign, without greater party and public disquiet pushing her, is another matter - she wants to be in until April 2019, at least. | |||
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"If I knew what will hppen next I would win the euro millions Friday then not give a damn.The situation is plain crazy,things are very unstable and it is not good" Then you would know what Jacob Rees Mogg feels like - fully protected! | |||
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"True Nationalisation that existed 50 years ago would no happen these days. The EU would insist on certain elements of "open access" and full and fair compensation. Outside of the EU, any state subsidy to a nationalised industry would inevitably fall foul of trade arrangements and agreements. Do you realise we give larger subsidies to the private rail operators than we did to British Rail?" I don't have a problem with publicly run companies. The problem is forcing anything back into state ownership. Cost and reluctance for private companies to invest in anything. The exception is rail and buses which are franchises that don't have to be renewed. | |||
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"May will go, hopefully sooner rather than later, and the Tories will continue to implode. It will come down to having a ‘people’s vote’ or a general election. I want to see Corbyn in but I think he should call for an election, standing for a Brexit deal that focuses on jobs and rights, but want another referendum, which would clear the mess with a remain vote. Tories would be splintered, an election would have to be called, and Labour could deliver on their manifesto for the many not the few ??? Corbyn can not call for an election. We have such a thing as the Fixed Term Parliament act. He can attempt to move a motion of no confidence, but would need to be sure that he could win it, which, in all reality seems rather unlikely. He is also not interested in delivering on the referendum. He is only interested in himself. His position would also betray the vote as he wants to keep free movement, membership of the single market and the customs union - and his renationalisation plans, which would bankrupt the country, are not permissable under EU rules. Corbyn would be an utter disaster for this country. The last Labour lot were bad enough with the countries financed, but Cornyn and McDonnell should not be allowed anywhere near the treasury. I am no Labour supporter but actually the last time that the U.K. Govt was operating a surplus, rather than a deficit, was under the last Labour Government. The financial crash of 2007/2008 was not the fault of the Labour Govt. " And do you know where that surplus came from? John Major's conservative government, that had finally managed to get us out of the hole that James Callaghans lot left us with | |||
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"May will go, hopefully sooner rather than later, and the Tories will continue to implode. It will come down to having a ‘people’s vote’ or a general election. I want to see Corbyn in but I think he should call for an election, standing for a Brexit deal that focuses on jobs and rights, but want another referendum, which would clear the mess with a remain vote. Tories would be splintered, an election would have to be called, and Labour could deliver on their manifesto for the many not the few ??? Corbyn can not call for an election. We have such a thing as the Fixed Term Parliament act. He can attempt to move a motion of no confidence, but would need to be sure that he could win it, which, in all reality seems rather unlikely. He is also not interested in delivering on the referendum. He is only interested in himself. His position would also betray the vote as he wants to keep free movement, membership of the single market and the customs union - and his renationalisation plans, which would bankrupt the country, are not permissable under EU rules. Corbyn would be an utter disaster for this country. The last Labour lot were bad enough with the countries financed, but Cornyn and McDonnell should not be allowed anywhere near the treasury. I won't be voting Labour while it's policy is only to govern in the interests of the many and not the interests of all. However some of what you say is incorrect. The Labour party policy is not to remain in THE single market and THE customs union but A single market and A customs union (not sure how different that is but it is different). Labour's official policy is not in favour of free movement; Labour has said it will end free movement. It's also not true that the EU would block Labour's renationalisation plans; It won't. The EU doesn't care who owns different companies, however it won't allow businesses to be nationalised without proper compensation or for those nationalised companies to be unfairly subsidised. True Nationalisation that existed 50 years ago would no happen these days. The EU would insist on certain elements of "open access" and full and fair compensation. Outside of the EU, any state subsidy to a nationalised industry would inevitably fall foul of trade arrangements and agreements." The so called true nationalisation that happened 50 years ago was always done with full compensation to the existing owners. If Labour wanted to nationalise in the same way the EU would have no problem with that. The Wilson/Callaghan Govetment from 1974 to 79 had an active program of nationalisation which included Aerospace (which was implemented) and Transport (which was due to be nationalised by 1980) | |||
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"May will go, hopefully sooner rather than later, and the Tories will continue to implode. It will come down to having a ‘people’s vote’ or a general election. I want to see Corbyn in but I think he should call for an election, standing for a Brexit deal that focuses on jobs and rights, but want another referendum, which would clear the mess with a remain vote. Tories would be splintered, an election would have to be called, and Labour could deliver on their manifesto for the many not the few ??? Labour's slogan is "for the many, not the Jew", isn't it. " Wowe!! that's pretty below the belt even for you. LOL | |||
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" And do you know where that surplus came from? John Major's conservative government, that had finally managed to get us out of the hole that James Callaghans lot left us with" You might want to check your research. The govt was in surplus when Margaret Thatcher left office in 1990. It went into deficit in John Major's first year and the deficit increased each year through his first term and then started to reduce from 1995 but was never back in surplus again until 1999/2000 when Tony Blair was in office. The evidence is out there and is not difficult to find. | |||
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"May will go, hopefully sooner rather than later, and the Tories will continue to implode. It will come down to having a ‘people’s vote’ or a general election. I want to see Corbyn in but I think he should call for an election, standing for a Brexit deal that focuses on jobs and rights, but want another referendum, which would clear the mess with a remain vote. Tories would be splintered, an election would have to be called, and Labour could deliver on their manifesto for the many not the few ??? Corbyn can not call for an election. We have such a thing as the Fixed Term Parliament act. He can attempt to move a motion of no confidence, but would need to be sure that he could win it, which, in all reality seems rather unlikely. He is also not interested in delivering on the referendum. He is only interested in himself. His position would also betray the vote as he wants to keep free movement, membership of the single market and the customs union - and his renationalisation plans, which would bankrupt the country, are not permissable under EU rules. Corbyn would be an utter disaster for this country. The last Labour lot were bad enough with the countries financed, but Cornyn and McDonnell should not be allowed anywhere near the treasury. I am no Labour supporter but actually the last time that the U.K. Govt was operating a surplus, rather than a deficit, was under the last Labour Government. The financial crash of 2007/2008 was not the fault of the Labour Govt. And do you know where that surplus came from? John Major's conservative government, that had finally managed to get us out of the hole that James Callaghans lot left us with" Sorry but that is not true. In fact labour governments have done quite well except when there has been a crash like 2008. It doesn’t matter to me what politics you believe in but honestly get your facts straight at least | |||
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" And do you know where that surplus came from? John Major's conservative government, that had finally managed to get us out of the hole that James Callaghans lot left us with You might want to check your research. The govt was in surplus when Margaret Thatcher left office in 1990. It went into deficit in John Major's first year and the deficit increased each year through his first term and then started to reduce from 1995 but was never back in surplus again until 1999/2000 when Tony Blair was in office. The evidence is out there and is not difficult to find." I was going to say the same myself. However is it really relevant? The point is, on the BREXIT question, there is little difference between Lanour's policy and May's deal. They're both soft BREXIT. The only difference is that we know we can have May's deal if we want it. A General Election now would achieve nothing of substance with regard to BREXIT unless the LibDems, Greens or (God forbid) UKIP make massive gains. What a General Election would do is split the anti-BREXIT alliance. The strategic thing to do, if stopping BREXIT is your top priority, is to work together to halt or reverse BREXIT first then, when BREXIT is defeated, push for a general election which, although I personally have no joy in saying, the Conservatives would all most definitely lose. | |||
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"The railways already are nationalised. The train operating companies belong to companies owned by the state in places like Germany and the Netherlands. So the Conservative Party seems quite content for state-ownership of the railways - so long as it is not British state ownership. Ideology gone mad." The rail franchises are on a win win! If they make massive profits win, if they aren't, just give it back no penalties - win. | |||
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"The railways already are nationalised. The train operating companies belong to companies owned by the state in places like Germany and the Netherlands. So the Conservative Party seems quite content for state-ownership of the railways - so long as it is not British state ownership. Ideology gone mad." Is it ideology or lack of competence? It seems to me that whenever there is a lack of ability to either accept or understand the complexity of an existing framework then the solution is always to call in debatable outside expertise. That invariably leads to asset stripping and abdication of responsibilty towards workers, families, the environment they live in and the future well-being of all of the above. The likes of KPMG and their ilk are paid phenomenal amounts of money to apply their expertise to tax avoidance and asset stripping schemes and have no investment in the long term benefits to society. Our lazy politicians pass over the responsibility of difficult decisions to these carpetbaggers because they know that the worst that can happen if it all goes tits up is they will lose either their seats or the government but probably neither of the above. | |||
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