FabSwingers.com forum: The one day brexit debate

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Given the ruling on article 50, we are fast approaching a position where we will be rerunning the brexit debate over the course of a few days.

After all, despite 2 years, remain is still “on the table” as are various flavours of leaving (all of which fail to deliver at least one of the reasons for leaving the Eu, be it money, fom, ecj etc)

And the usual politicians are busy claiming they can do better and deliver utopia.

So what have we learned ?

Leaving (or at least the uncertainty) seems to be a drag on gdp, but may not be the millstone boy George painted it to be.

House prices and unemployment seem to be unaffected by all this.

Trade deals are not easy. Whatever the result, we will be in that boat for a number of years.

The money for the nhs was never going to come from the Eu payments. And has even delivered already even tho we’re still in and unsure what out looks like.

We could leave and still be tied very closely to the EU. Be this payments or custom unions or FOM. Brexit just means not being at the table when decisions are made.

Terresa May is a bloody difficult women to get rid of. Or wrestle control from.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Given the ruling on article 50, we are fast approaching a position where we will be rerunning the brexit debate over the course of a few days.

And the usual politicians are busy claiming they can do better and deliver utopia.

So what have we learned ?

Leaving (or at least the uncertainty) seems to be a drag on gdp, but may not be the millstone boy George painted it to be.

House prices and unemployment seem to be unaffected by all this.

Trade deals are not easy. Whatever the result, we will be in that boat for a number of years.

The money for the nhs was never going to come from the Eu payments. And has even delivered already even tho we’re still in and unsure what out looks like.

We could leave and still be tied very closely to the EU. Be this payments or custom unions or FOM. Brexit just means not being at the table when decisions are made.

Terresa May is a bloody difficult women to get rid of. Or wrestle control from. "

Bravo! Well summed up!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if we end up with no deal it will now be because it's is the government's choice and their choice alone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the vote has been pulled

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Theresa may is redefining, or at least trying to, what brexit is exactly.

She's after a remain outcome, but with "brexit" sticker slapped on it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My take on it would be that the referendum result was a near 50-50 result. OK OK 52-48 Bla Bla Bla, you lost we win Bla Bla Bla, so we've been offered a half in half out hotch potch deal which satisfies nobody but surely it's the result the referendum was bound to deliver. We've only got ourselves to blame because we were such an indecisive bunch on the day. It's not the governments fault or parliament or anyone else. It is our fault. Own it Britain

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

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"My take on it would be that the referendum result was a near 50-50 result. OK OK 52-48 Bla Bla Bla, you lost we win Bla Bla Bla, so we've been offered a half in half out hotch potch deal which satisfies nobody but surely it's the result the referendum was bound to deliver. We've only got ourselves to blame because we were such an indecisive bunch on the day. It's not the governments fault or parliament or anyone else. It is our fault. Own it Britain

The failure is Theresa May's and hers alone. The Taoiseach very succinctly made the point earlier today:

Leo Varadkar has said “it is not possible” to renegotiate the Irish border backstop. Speaking to reporters at a non-Brexit event in Dublin, he said it was the UK’s own red lines that made the backstop necessary and that if Theresa May hadn’t laid them down, the deal would have been different.

1) Article 50 was triggered without a plan. There should have been a Royal Commission, a huge build of the Civil Service and cross-party consensus before A50 was triggered.

2) Theresa May then gave away all of her negotiating leverage by announcing her red lines at a very early stage. She should have actually said that she was ruling nothing in and ruling nothing out.

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