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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Going to be interesting unless May bottles it and delays the vote

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Part of me doesn't even want to pay attention till then.

Literally thinking, lets just see where the pieces fall now.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

So as we approach the crucial vote, the possibilities are now:-

1. Accept the May Deal

(Proceed to exit March 29th)

Or

2. Leave under WTO Rules

(Proceed to exit March 29th on

the so called "No Deal)

However, if expected, option 2 happens, then the Government has to come back to Parliament with its plan. The options are:-

3. Go back to EU, renegotiate and

try and get option 1 through

again)

4. Another referendum.

5. A General Election

(Not sure that this stops the

Option 2 route though)

6. Cancel Article 50 and remain.

Options 4, 5 and 6 will need Statutes to be passed in Parliament to proceed.

Hope that's clear!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no ... todays ruling means that it is entirely the governments choice to implement a no deal scenario ... no-deal has effectively been taken off the table unless the government feels particulary pernicious

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the vote has been pulled

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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

I think the one thing that all can agree on is that Theresa May is good at “kicking the can down the road”

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

Sheer cowardice in the face of defeat.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the vote has been pulled"

Quel Suprise as the leavers would never say

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

Theresa May, putting Conservative Party Politics above the National Interest since 2016.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Is there nothing May can ever say & keep her word.

Definitely the worst prime minister I'm my time.

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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners


"Is there nothing May can ever say & keep her word.

Definitely the worst prime minister I'm my time."

Probably the second worse.....

David Cameron was the worst for running scared of the rabid Eurosceptics in Tory party and UKIP.

By holding a referendum in the first place....

Weak leadership......

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Will Jeremy Corbyn table a "no confidence" motion tomorrow?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Disappointing as I think the vote would have been a step closer to the "end game" - whatever that may be! Instead, we're just kicking the can down the road - but the road is going to run out!

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"Disappointing as I think the vote would have been a step closer to the "end game" - whatever that may be! Instead, we're just kicking the can down the road - but the road is going to run out!"

It runs out on January 21.

By law, if no agreement has been reached by then, Ministers must come to Parliament to set out the way forward.

Another day, another descent further down the rabbit hole.

A shambles on an epic scale.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and now the economy is circling the drain as a result .... but then this WAS predicted 2½ years ago

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Will Jeremy Corbyn table a "no confidence" motion tomorrow? "

He can but he won't win. The DUP have said they would support the tories in a no confidence vote. The DUP just want to get rid of the backstop in the withdrawal agreement. The DUP won't back Corbyn in a no confidence vote and they don't want him in number 10.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The thing that confuses me is that the Brexiteers say there are technical ways of dealing with the Irish border, however they can’t agree to the backstop in case the E.U. keep us locked into it in case there’s no way to deal with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Car sales dropping - is this the public bracing for inflation? Or is it people just not having the money to spend?

High street footfall down, more likely more online shopping and black Friday allowing for discount Christmas shopping before.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The thing that confuses me is that the Brexiteers say there are technical ways of dealing with the Irish border, however they can’t agree to the backstop in case the E.U. keep us locked into it in case there’s no way to deal with it."

Project fantasy!

They are going to develop a system, to solve the problems - only problem is, they are not sure it will work!

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By *ean299Man
over a year ago

Lucan


"The thing that confuses me is that the Brexiteers say there are technical ways of dealing with the Irish border, however they can’t agree to the backstop in case the E.U. keep us locked into it in case there’s no way to deal with it."

Yes brexiteers say they have a workable solution but also say that the UK will be kept in the EU indefinitely because their solution will not work.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"The thing that confuses me is that the Brexiteers say there are technical ways of dealing with the Irish border, however they can’t agree to the backstop in case the E.U. keep us locked into it in case there’s no way to deal with it.

Yes brexiteers say they have a workable solution but also say that the UK will be kept in the EU indefinitely because their solution will not work."

That's not true and is the wrong way of looking at it. The truth of it is whatever solutions the UK comes up with which are acceptable to the UK, the EU will just say it's unacceptable to them, for the simple reason they don't want us to leave and if we can't get out without their consent, then they will never give us consent to leave. That is why the backstop is unacceptable because we can't leave unless the EU give us consent to leave. As a free independent country after March 29th we must have unconditional and unilateral right to leave the backstop of our own volition or the backstop must have a clear legally binding end date to It.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"The thing that confuses me is that the Brexiteers say there are technical ways of dealing with the Irish border, however they can’t agree to the backstop in case the E.U. keep us locked into it in case there’s no way to deal with it.

Yes brexiteers say they have a workable solution but also say that the UK will be kept in the EU indefinitely because their solution will not work.

That's not true and is the wrong way of looking at it. The truth of it is whatever solutions the UK comes up with which are acceptable to the UK, the EU will just say it's unacceptable to them, for the simple reason they don't want us to leave and if we can't get out without their consent, then they will never give us consent to leave. That is why the backstop is unacceptable because we can't leave unless the EU give us consent to leave. As a free independent country after March 29th we must have unconditional and unilateral right to leave the backstop of our own volition or the backstop must have a clear legally binding end date to It. "

We are unilaterally deciding to create an external land border because we are choosing to leave the EU.

It is therefore incumbent on the U.K. Govt to make sure that however we choose to leave the EU, we do not violate the terms of the Good Friday Agreement and in doing so maintain the status quo on the island of Ireland.

That is where we are and noamount of spinning about technologies is going to change that especially when aligned with the immortal line... “Taking control of our borders” (other than seemingly the only really porous and meaningful border that we actually have)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The thing that confuses me is that the Brexiteers say there are technical ways of dealing with the Irish border, however they can’t agree to the backstop in case the E.U. keep us locked into it in case there’s no way to deal with it.

Yes brexiteers say they have a workable solution but also say that the UK will be kept in the EU indefinitely because their solution will not work.

That's not true and is the wrong way of looking at it. The truth of it is whatever solutions the UK comes up with which are acceptable to the UK, the EU will just say it's unacceptable to them, for the simple reason they don't want us to leave and if we can't get out without their consent, then they will never give us consent to leave. That is why the backstop is unacceptable because we can't leave unless the EU give us consent to leave. As a free independent country after March 29th we must have unconditional and unilateral right to leave the backstop of our own volition or the backstop must have a clear legally binding end date to It. "

Your view versus the UK government and the EU. Unless your a legal expert in the matter, I am more inclined to believe the other side.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The backstop is a red herring.

The real issue is the utter failure of Brexiteers to consider the Belfast Agreement in their ideological pursuit of "sovereignty".

They cannot bring themselves to admit their ideology drives a coach and horses through the agreement by requiring barricades to be erected between the people of Ireland again.

All you get is vague "trust us, we'll fix" assurances.

The reason the backstop exists is because simply does not trust the Brexiteers.

Not when you have people like Nigel Lawson, chair of Vote Leave, coming out with statements like this:

"I would be very happy if the Republic of Ireland - and I do not think this is going to happen - were to say we made a mistake getting independence in 1922, and come back within the United Kingdom. That would be great."

Ireland simply does not trust these people to uphold the Belfast Agreement, hence they are using the negotiating clout of the EU to put a legal lock on the Agreement.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham


"Will Jeremy Corbyn table a "no confidence" motion tomorrow?

He can but he won't win. The DUP have said they would support the tories in a no confidence vote. The DUP just want to get rid of the backstop in the withdrawal agreement. The DUP won't back Corbyn in a no confidence vote and they don't want him in number 10. "

I know that and you know that, so I'm not sure why Labour keep banging on about it, as they must surely know that as well.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"The thing that confuses me is that the Brexiteers say there are technical ways of dealing with the Irish border, however they can’t agree to the backstop in case the E.U. keep us locked into it in case there’s no way to deal with it.

Yes brexiteers say they have a workable solution but also say that the UK will be kept in the EU indefinitely because their solution will not work.

That's not true and is the wrong way of looking at it. The truth of it is whatever solutions the UK comes up with which are acceptable to the UK, the EU will just say it's unacceptable to them, for the simple reason they don't want us to leave and if we can't get out without their consent, then they will never give us consent to leave. That is why the backstop is unacceptable because we can't leave unless the EU give us consent to leave. As a free independent country after March 29th we must have unconditional and unilateral right to leave the backstop of our own volition or the backstop must have a clear legally binding end date to It.

Your view versus the UK government and the EU. Unless your a legal expert in the matter, I am more inclined to believe the other side. "

What I said is the UK's view as it was what the government's own legal advice said about the backstop, which Theresa May was trying to hide when she refused to publish the legal advice to Parliament.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"Will Jeremy Corbyn table a "no confidence" motion tomorrow?

He can but he won't win. The DUP have said they would support the tories in a no confidence vote. The DUP just want to get rid of the backstop in the withdrawal agreement. The DUP won't back Corbyn in a no confidence vote and they don't want him in number 10.

I know that and you know that, so I'm not sure why Labour keep banging on about it, as they must surely know that as well."

Perhaps diane abbott has been doing the maths on it

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

Does anyone really believe the EU will renegotiate the T&C?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very little if anything.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"Does anyone really believe the EU will renegotiate the T&C? "

Nope.

The backstop is in there with legal force because Dublin does not trust the right-wing zealots in London to uphold the Belfast agreement.

Remember David Davies, supposedly one of the moderates, agreeing one day to the backstop in the phase one agreement and then the next day declaring it null and void in legal terms,

That stunned the Irish.

I would trust this shower either if I was in Dublin.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

* would not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Does anyone really believe the EU will renegotiate the T&C? "

Nope and they have said as much

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"Does anyone really believe the EU will renegotiate the T&C?

Nope and they have said as much "

It's now just May clutching at straws, making it worse if that's even possible. She should just close the Brexit box and resign.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

she won't resign, she hasn't had the backbone or the intelligence to do the right thing ever in her entire career ... and the so called heavyweights of the sinister ERG fronted by the ponce of darkness and the fat controller have turned out to have no testicles, no teeth and no vertibrae either ... the morons who voted for these cretins really have got what they deserved .... just a shame the rest of the people in this country have been dragged along to the bottom of the shit swamp with them

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